Okay, if you have anybody, I'm uh carrying first time, so um we're we're gonna start with a flight of allegiance.

Um, council member farmer present council member Higgins.

Council member Philbin.

Council member Rhodes.

Chair Anglin is excused.

We have a quorum.

Okay, um so this portion of the meeting is where we hear public comment.

Uh so these are items that I'm not on the agenda.

Please go out of the card on the table on the platform of folks, and give it to the clerk, and your name will be called.

All speakers will get two minutes to speak.

Uh, can determine um and uh we and we will rotate um to the people uh here present and online.

Uh Shavani, do we have any public comment?

Yes, we have speakers.

Um first uh speaker will be Officer Rodriguez.

Good evening, I'm also gonna Rodriguez.

Uh we have a total uh 24 vacations, six non-patriot crashes, five injury crashes, two D URS, six with me RS, and we did not have any stolen vehicle recovery.

Um, half of that for the capital qualified school very good time for a few days.

Um, going to enforcement is the original site show enforcement power force.

And I can see it's in our area.

Um the East Avenue track blank for the elementary control.

Upcoming events on October 31st, following our maximum period, maximum perfect period.

We're gonna be focusing on DY, we're gonna have extra officers during that time.

Our future uh events also on October 30th.

At 6 p.m.

We're gonna have our search mark at the CHP favorite area office.

And October is pedestrian safety month.

You do work with us inside of crossbox and for our stats.

Um, this month, but we have 11 new officers in our area.

So officer Marcini other officers have been training.

Um, like right now off the breaking.

So I'll be part of the area that we have control from uh emails at three four five directly striving at cb.c.gov.

We'll call the CP territory office at 510489.5 or thank you.

Next speaker is Kathy Langley.

Um, we're gonna start.

What?

That would be online from here.

Oh.

So we need my phone.

So well.

Your microphone.

Oh.

Probably should just sort of respond to that so on social media.

Chris, you need to speak into your mic.

I've never learned.

I'm not.

I I noticed that social media here's um you know we're talking about it's advanced pedestrian safety and uh suggestions.

What is this suggestions you may think it's you know, viewers of pedestrians make sure you make iPods with the driver?

Well, that's a very difficult when the shield and the front windows are Chris.

Sorry, um, we can't have discussion during the side.

I'll just make your comment.

I'm not expecting any answer.

Okay.

Anyway, it's very difficult when windshield and front of Windows are existed.

Um, in one of your future reports, you can address that one more.

Can everybody do a mic check and make sure you have enough to mic this?

Hello.

Here's that.

This is me.

This is another.

I think here's one more time.

Hello, hello.

She's not off.

Hello.

Hello?

Everybody keep that.

I believe.

Go ahead.

Hello?

Hi.

Yeah, I just wanted to bring it to your attention.

I think you already caught it that the sound uh sounds very uh as if we are speaking from very very far away.

So I just want to bring that to your attention, but it looks like you are already aware of it.

Yes.

That's it.

That's it.

Next person will be probably in the room.

Later on, I'm gonna hear about budget stuff, so uh, we've got lost the problem.

Later on, you're gonna so later on we're gonna hear about budget stuff and how the um uh unincorporated budget fits in the county.

I want to talk about how the fair view and how the unincorporated uh fits into uh the uh district, uh mainly district four, so district four, um now it's the same number of people as all the other districts, the institutions, um, and it covers 78% of the incorporated residents, 78%, little known number.

Um, so when you talk about unincorporated 78% for that district, and um all cast property by the way, and then uh when it comes to the buttons, each supervisor has something called discretionary funds that they end up called um community-based organizations, photographic activities, activities, and so on, um community groups, all that stuff, and um District 4 ends up several hundred thousand dollars a year, and uh district four um is spread out all over, very elongated so it's all in and forty-three percent of district four is in the uh is in all of them so guess how much of the discretionary funds go to all uh seventy-nine percent.

Uh no, period that I looked at and then thirty-six percent district four is the end unincorporated, but guess how much of the discretionary funds go to the unincorporated, which is thirty-six percent, and the answer is thirteen percent goes to unincorporated.

So this is not gonna be in the budget because they could they kind of treat it's a separate budget item, but this is how unincorporated, you know, it's uh how it's how the browser breaks up.

There are no more speakers.

I will now close public comment.

Uh has everybody on board had a chance to review the minutes.

There are hands, right?

Okay.

Uh chair, we do have one hand raised, but she raised her hand after the closing public comment.

Did you want to reopen it to allow a resolve right?

Oh, there'll be uh you know, allow.

Rem, go ahead.

Hi, uh Fran Krug.

We can barely understand any of the speakers from the podium or from the council.

It sounds like everybody is talking from underwater.

We need to hear what you're saying.

Thank you.

Can I propose that we resolve this before we continue?

Sure.

Yeah, you'd like to get short recess.

Yes, I'm gonna call a short recess.

Um, let's start with five minutes.

Perfect.

Okay.

Okay, I'm calling this meeting back into order.

I'm calling this meeting back into order, and we have one more person for public comment.

I'm sorry.

Uh oh, first we're gonna do roll call.

Council member farmer.

President Council Member Diggins, President, Council Member Goldman, here council member uh road here, sure.

Um, it's excuse.

You have a core.

Okay, so we're gonna open public comment back up.

We don't have any speakers.

We have one online speaker.

Can you hear me?

Yes, go ahead.

You have two minutes.

Good.

Okay, my um request is I've been working with public works for seven years to get the sidewalks, the redesign of D Street, the speed humps in.

They were supposed to pave the road last Christmas or last December, and they've not done so.

My requests to them have been unanswered.

Nate Miley's office canceled public participation in their bi-monthly meeting with public works and Alco Sheriff's guaranteed me that my request to inform community, which is what I do, and they ask it of me to find out what their timeline is.

And my request to public works goes unanswered.

My request to Nate Miley's office on their closed door sessions with public works goes mostly unanswered.

Now, what's happening here in Fairview on D Street is that because there's no speed bumps, people are racing downhill as usual, 50 to 100 miles an hour, wrapping themselves around poles and endangering our community.

I would like to ask the Mac to bring public works to the forum to explain what's going on on D Street on Pickford Way with a water breakage or an underground spring, and also my request on D Street turning right on to Maud at the yield, where they only speed up and endanger me and my neighbors, but no response from public works.

In addition, I would like to request that we have Oraloma come out and give us a detailed briefing on their recycling qualifications.

Thank you.

Okay, I'm going to close public comments.

Has everyone reviewed the minutes on July?

Would anybody like to make a motion?

I'll move to itself.

So we have any discussion?

Meetings.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Discussion.

This is Sally.

When I went online today to look at the minutes and said they were unavailable on the website, so I have not performed them.

What they mailed to me is that how I should have gotten them.

I think when you went to the look at the link today, that means the minutes for tonight's meeting.

So since the meeting hadn't happened, the minutes weren't posted, but it should have been in your attachment on the looksite.

Alrighty then.

Okay, so I'm gonna move to the first uh calendar item.

Oh, sorry.

Uh let's vote on the uh approving of the July minutes.

Councilmember Farmer.

I approve.

Council member Vikings.

All right.

Councilmember Fullen.

Abstain.

Councilmember Rose.

Aye.

Chair and this is okay.

We have approved the July minutes.

Okay, the first calendar item on the agenda is unincorporated area budget input process.

And we're gonna gather MAC members' consent, ideas, recommendations about the services provided by Alameda County in the unincorporated areas that the MAS represent to create a dialogue and process with Alameda County for the unincorporated area budget.

And this is an action item, and we're going to have a presentation from Claudia Albano.

Good evening, Council Covers.

I'm very happy to be here.

Could you put up the first slide?

We're tonight going to be doing a budget input process, and I have to say that this process is a more than a decade in the making.

And I'm gonna look at Dale Silva and Mr.

Higgins over here because they have been bugging us for a long time.

When are we gonna get a chance to take a really hard look at the Alameda County budget and when are we going to be able to really engage with departments and the county administrators' office about our budget priorities?

So this is our attempt to talk to you about this tonight and to take you through a process that we could do with the unincorporated communities, both rural and urban, and I'll get into that in a minute.

So tonight we'll be participating in a process to gather input and from unincorporated community members, both urban and rural into Alameda County's unincorporated budget.

Next slide.

This process is the next step in developing an annual efficient yet thorough way for unincorporated communities to communicate with Alameda County about the services they receive and their budget priorities.

To participate in this process, all you really need is your lived experience as residents and also as MAC members to participate.

No prior budget knowledge is necessary.

We have had we have a list of these kinds of meetings coming up.

We've already done two.

We have the seven scheduled, but if you look at this schedule, you can see that we were in at an urban unincorporated community meeting on September 18th.

We had 70 people present.

We have the rural unincorporated meeting on September 23rd.

We've had about 20.

And we do tonight, airview MAC, and you can see the rest of the schedule uh for this month.

And it culminates in an unincorporated all MAC meeting on December 3rd, to which you're all invited, where all the data that we can gather in this process will be presented and a recommendation regarding next steps.

I hope you have the chance to read the staff report that I did that was attached to your item tonight.

It has a lot more background information than I'm going to give, but that's where you can go for something more in depth.

But if we could go to the next slide, I wanted to show you the process that we're in right now.

So the yellow box is in September where we have these two large community meetings.

And then in October, we're going to all the maps or the SINAL CAC, the community communities, the AC, community advisory council meeting.

And then in November, we're going to be compiling the data, and then we'll come back in December on December 3rd to present the findings and make a recommendation to a joint meeting of the unincorporated services committee and an all-mac meeting.

I like to call it a big map, but nobody else seems to like that.

I'm speaking to the mic.

I disagree with it because it was very popular at the UB.

It was.

Yes.

I mean, I don't know how many of you are any of you familiar with the Eli Eden Annual Livability Initiative process.

It went on for 15 years.

Yes.

And there were five in Eli two, there were phase one and phase two.

In Eli phase two, there were five working groups.

And one of those working groups was around improving governance in the unincorporated area.

And both Dale and Mr.

Higgins were on that working group.

So that's where I really got to know them.

We met a lot in this room.

But I have to say that the creation of the Fairview Map, the creation of the Eden Map, the creation of my Eden Voice, all came out of that process and the work of that working group, including the recent USPS, United States Postal Service approval that people can use in the unincorporated area can use their community names instead of the name associated with their post office.

So if you live in Ashland, you can now say Ashland, California, but you don't have to, it's legal to be able to say Ashland, California, I didn't have to say San Leandro, California.

Yeah, what happened to me is with my doctor's office, I got pushed back because I said Hayward, and they said, uh, what city is it really?

So they wouldn't take it.

They wouldn't take word anymore.

I got in trouble because I had to say therapy.

Well, you should let us know.

Um, and because we've been working with DMV, we've been working with PGE, all a lot of big um agencies to help rectify so that they have this database too.

So if there's something that your doctor's office needs, then something that we can help you with.

But we're trying to do it on uh oh, uh we're trying to make this institutional change, which you know is always a little bit hard.

Yeah, luckily I knew the other name that I'm just saying.

Okay.

Well, no, people have been coming to us with issues, and there's going to be issues because it is a change.

A lot of people, it really speaks to the identity issues that people have.

They don't know they live in an unincorporated area.

And if you don't know you live in an unincorporated area, that's who's the governance, the government that serves you, who are the people that you come together with to solve problems.

How are we collecting data about your specific issues?

Is it being aggregated in with Hayward or San Leandro?

I mean, that has a significant impacts on Habrid Acres, for example, or Ashland and Cheryland that have a lot of.

So, but I'm not here to talk about that tonight.

I'm here to get into this process, and so Alina over there is going to pass out to you.

Uh, each of you are going to get three pieces of this sticky paper.

And if you could actually show the next question, this is the question I want you to think about.

And I want you to put each person gets three, and you're to put one item on each of the pieces of paper.

There's a pen that's the big marking pen that you have that answers the questions.

What are three macro level issues in our world today that you think are affecting the Fairview community?

This is big level thinking in the nation, in the world, in the state, in the county.

We really need people to see them.

And so the instructions are to um only uh come up with three issues, one issue issue per sheet, write big so people can see, and and use as few words as possible.

You don't have to come up with three, but don't do more than three.

This is macro level issues, big things that are going on in our world and community that you think are affecting people.

I'll give you a few minutes to think about that.

When you're done with them, you can come to me, and I'll put it in the wall.

We're gonna need I think we're gonna need that blue tape, our sticky notes on sticky.

I think the camera has to see it.

Oh, that's the problem.

So what do we have?

We have economic inequality, we have homelessness, we have lack of funding for education being encouraged to build everywhere, housing, government transparency, traffic and roads, although I think that's more of a micro issue, a kind of local issue, but let's put it up there anyway.

No judgments here, but so people don't know how to drive.

Okay, traffic control, this one, one of the other ones here, fair representation in government, fire insurance, with that before, and homelessness.

So let's uh let's just start um with you, Sally.

Oops, we have one more.

Okay, did you service now?

Make sure we're talking into one microphone.

So Sally, let's just start with you.

Can you give some comment about the ones you put up there and what you see up there?

Okay, um big feature issues.

Um part of people with personal issues that have been turned out onto the streets and have nowhere to go.

So when so when Oakland cleans up Oakland, then they all move somewhere else, and when that place cleans up their area, so on it, someone you know, and it's more than just homeless, it's no support, no real support for people who have no way to get off the streets for all kinds of resources.

So social safety net?

Yes.

So can you write that down on this?

Okay, and we used to have that.

You want me to another one or someone else just to um so I wrote down traffic control because what I'm talking about is that it seems everywhere that people do not know how to follow traffic rules, they have no idea about um yielding, they don't have any idea about how to uh to use four-way stops, they they just don't know how to drive, and it's a big problem.

I think it's uh you uh US model.

So do you think it's an education issue or the course issue?

Um, both both education.

I mean they have to take a test, but I keep hearing about people taking tests and for other people, and so the people driving aren't the ones that took the test.

So that too.

And then what else did I write?

Um, yeah, the government trying to um encourage people to build build build bill build.

There is an ADU down the street from me in a backyard.

I didn't even I wasn't even notified of it.

It's in my neighborhood.

I'm on the map, I had no idea.

There is no room for there's now no backyard in that on that property.

It's not like they had half an acre, they had nothing.

They were like a city property, sticking building units everywhere, everywhere, and it's all over the state.

The it's just you know, I don't know other states have this problem, but our state is pushing building to, yeah, to it's ruining our state.

So you're talking about density, yes, it's about zoning and it's about being informed, yes, and and the process.

I mean, the the map no longer has any part of that because we have no opportunity to try and protect our unincorporated area, which I thought was part of why we're here, right?

Is that you, Chris?

Okay, building on the uh traffic control that uh sounds though, I said traffic and roads, and uh the traffic control thing.

It seems like we had a couple of events that contributed to the degeneration of currency on the roads.

One was the uh the budget conclusion of 2008, right?

We've lost uh a lot of enforcement, and then uh all kinds of crazy things happen.

Sorry, Chris online having a little trouble hearing you.

If you can be like Sally, uh, get up in the outdoor voice.

Is that better?

Okay, much better.

Yeah, that's what in 2008 uh and COVID.

Um just contribute to to the process.

You know, I moved out here in 1977, and uh I grew up on the East Coast, and um I spent quite a bit of time in Texas, uh two areas where um driving is what's important at those areas, and it was incredible when I moved out here, and you know, yields, you know, people who were doing uh, you know, zipper verges, things like that, that and um using the printers and all kinds of stuff like that, and that stuff that seemed to disappeared out of it.

That would that really appeal to me.

What I vote that as well.

Safe practices, yeah, yeah.

Okay, did you write another one?

Yeah, um uh government transmits was one that I wrote.

And and that's uh really all levels of government is you know it uh we hear a lot of what's going on at the federal level to reiterate that, um, but right on down to the local level.

Look at um the word we were working we were going through with DLive uh trying to drill down in the county budget, and we got a lot of pushback for the county on that.

And that's I think it's universal, and um uh that bothers me.

Uh my last one was housing and selling uh Sally touched uh very well.

I just you know, one word, housing, right?

And uh you know, people need to have a place for live.

And you know, Sally mentioning, you know, what's going on, you know, building everywhere.

Well, we need to have the infrastructure for that building.

When we when we put an ABU in in uh uh in a backyard, the people that are living there need to have a place to pump the cars.

Especially on the fair, this stuff of oh, we have bus service.

Well, we don't have bus service career.

We have one line that goes into fair view and it runs at 40 minute intervals and it doesn't meet any of the criteria yet the county claims that it does, and you know, we end up uh thinking thinking about the middle of we end up neighbors fighting neighbors over profit spaces.

What's the other thing is to right?

Right and then so the government that's supposed to help us with our quality of life is harming our quality of life.

So that's that's it for me.

Thank you.

Great.

The Nessa should be next.

Uh my comment is tied into both of Sally's and Chris's, which is that uh if we focus specifically on some of the uh development economic inequality, the traffic, the homelessness, that we have some very recent examples of uh not being able to properly plan for development.

For example, a couple months ago we had the sixth cycle and it came through.

It was some money on state level that we needed to access from the county.

The county basically decided that those homes should go in here, which we're happy to be part of a solution, except we there were development rules that were lessened, meaning not having a say in how to affect traffic homing, not having a say in uh whether or not we get other infrastructure like bus lines, things that are supportive of our community.

Um so there's a way to provide a process and smart development that can allow us to support our community.

Some of the issues are on top traffic control is because there are some development that has happened that we weren't able to put proper uh infrastructure in place.

So I I disagree slightly.

Just I don't know necessarily think that drivers are worse drivers or less considerate.

I think we're getting jammed into each other because of some of our planning.

So what I hear you saying is that the economic inequality kind of drives a lot of the what you're seeing in your community today.

More density, worse traffic, people um uh government government not having the processes in place to hear you so that you can comment on the things that are going on, but that on a macro level leads back to this kind of economic inequality, and that's what's kind of driving this to some degree.

And we yeah, on a very macro level, but if we look at on a I think at least if we're looking at the county level, there is a recent example in which we were basically told we don't have a voice in giving input on how and some development in order to access some of this state money.

Now that would be maybe okay if we weren't even heard of the public comment period, where somebody said, I'm trying to get Kathy said, trying to get speed bumps on D Street.

So we and I can list out probably five or six on the top of my head, don't get Chris started of community trying to work with public works or the county or whomever the agency is to put in place support when we have development, and then it being either not met, delayed.

So I think what I'm saying is there's been a need for inroads to be part of the discussion on how we resolve these problems.

So yeah, so inroads to be part of the discussion, right?

That's great, great.

All right.

I'm sorry, there, yes.

What about you?

What did you what do you think about this conversation so far?

Well, I did um also address I did also address the homelessness.

You don't want me to speak up on home first.

Um for all the issues that were live that were listed by every concern by everyone else, but also um people that try to find their own housing by whatever means, be it RVs, whatever, uh there's really nothing organized approach by government other than piecemeal and temporary to address these issues.

So that's what my concern about homelessness is.

I don't see any way out for a lot of people, and um that's it.

Fire insurance, yeah.

This is not just the California issue.

Okay, because of climate change, you know what anybody else has to say about that.

We have climate change that's addressing or that's affecting day-to-day operations of people's homes.

Um that's what I've got.

I don't know if uh government has anything to do with that other than try to um put forth some good conditions for our safety for the individual communities, uh, or having more firefighters, or there's a lot of different ways to approach this to try to get the fire insurance industry to not be losing money and then us losing our insurance.

This was a huge issue in the rural area, and some of the things they talked about was the county needing to work with the um state association of counties and with the state insurance commissioner to try to begin to address this issue.

So even though it's not a county issue per se, it needs to use its lobbying power and uh advocacy power to try to address this issue of the food shipping of government, right?

So you're you're in your good company.

So now that we've kind of gotten near the yeah, I think fair representation and government's kind of addressed already.

It's just a different way of saying it.

Okay, so there's been some comments online.

Do you want to just pick a few that maybe are different that people have been saying?

Did anybody mention anything in the chat?

No.

Okay.

So maybe we should say that.

Those of you who are watching online, if you want to comment too, you just please use the chat function to really find.

We don't need we don't have a chat feature on uh the back meetings, but people can speak during public comment.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay, hands that we have raised will do during public comment.

Great.

Thank you.

Stand correct it.

All right.

So let's change yours for a minute.

And I want you to get hyperlocal.

Now I know you couldn't contain yourselves.

And you already started getting really buffable.

And you didn't just stick with things like China climate change or economic inequality.

But now's your chance to really dig in.

So I want you to again, um, we're going to hand out this time five pieces of paper each.

And we're going to ask you to answer this question.

What would you change or improve about the services you receive from Alameda County?

The things that Alameda County has jurisdiction over.

And we have the next slide for some of the examples of things that we're looking for, include, you know, if you have issues with customer service or communication, service improvements or program ideas, or the availability of budget related data.

If you want to have comments about the budget document that the county puts out, which would be included in that use of discretionary funds.

Whatever your personal experience as a resident and as a math member has led you to think.

So please, one item per page, think big.

Uh write big, and um that was that.

So if we could go back to the question, put the question up to there we go.

Oh, examples, sure.

If you could go back to the examples.

Yeah, we could go with it.

Right big, Chris.

Stay here actually.

So we're going to move around.

So what I'm going to do is read those people who are watching if they can't see.

They can at least hear what's being written.

One going from the top to the bottom.

Publicize explanations for use of discretionary funds.

Budget transparency.

We don't know where the money comes from or where it goes.

Encourage local communities to be more community.

Clear process for community input, code enforcement, communication, do mailing.

Oh, we used to have well maintained roads.

Now we have potholes and we pay more money.

More traffic enforcement, access to county services, especially education, not forcing public transportation to be, not forcing public transportation to be self-funded.

So we are the only Bay Area County that does not enforce a water shed, is that say water water course protection ordinance okay budget availability yes focus on building communities, not dependent on cars, get rid of extra committees.

Did I get them all okay so do you see any similarities there anything that you think you could it's duplicative or could be combined?

What's that?

People are pissed off.

All right down okay what would you combine what's more what goes together here roads yeah speaking to them I say roads and enforcement roads and enforcement roads and to my right so more traffic can we put them over here roads and more traffic enforcement okay what else comes looks like it goes lots of budget things budget availability yes line item budget for fair view that budget transparency UI all over again okay you can put the uh discussionary functions in there as well yeah and what else so we have roads we have budget stuff see enforcement actually I think I need your help over here oh she has coding code enforcement and zoning enforcement okay good okay so I'm gonna start to differentiate this local community for that and process for community maybe this get rid of extra committees I don't know what that intention was but it could be around process community this um here uh oh uh actually okay what do we have first I know we need to need a talk person actually yeah um then this one needs a actually for actually oh I said put it on top now straight a little bit anyway yeah that's good okay good that's good all right what else do we have um we have what left is we have communication do mailings what is that part of some part of local community that's about access to government getting people to communicate um what else do you see we have four left here so the one that you just put over to the uh community community communication do that that's like what the government needs to do for us they need to let us know what's going on so it's one thing for us to build our own community but it's a different thing that the government needs to include us in the information trail.

And so I don't know whether it goes with that that it reads it on.

It sounds like it's uh its own thing, right?

This is what you need from the government in terms of um communication and knowing what's going on and um oh actually there's a actually that's the same as the access to county services and getting rid of extra communities uh committees.

I agree with that.

And it's also the whole sidewalk thing I know that's unpopular but I think that goes over here services as well.

I would say that goes with the roads the traffic and even the focusing the communities on that being dependent on cars it's kind of the whole like how how we deal with getting around town.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah groups are part of your first question.

Is that is that over here?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

And we have one more here not forcing public transportation to be self-funded.

Where should we put that?

Is that on its own thing or is it instead of the budget that's something else for the government that our local government needs to take on okay all right so we have one two three four areas that have sort of come out of this process.

So let's just take a look at each one of these so that's what is about the budget and what would you say it's trying to say if you look at the items budget availability yes line item budget budget transparency publicized explanation for use of discretionary funds not forcing public transportation to be self-funded.

What are you trying to say?

What is this category about I'm side from the last one that might be on all but it's transparency and including the community in the process and understanding the budget.

I think it's communication so you would say communication and including including the community in the process.

Communication and including the community in the process is there an even more streamlined way of saying it I don't know if you can read my handwriting yeah we can yeah looking looking at that I I'm thinking of the the competing concerns I think about um at the national level we got supposed in charge that want to make drastic changes and want to make them now and they have their own ideas about it.

And their frustration is how long to get those changes made and uh for the sake of transparency it takes a long time for uh an example locally the sidewalks on B Street.

Did we start with 2015?

Yeah so we started the D Street sidewalk process in 2013.

It's getting really close to being done that that's 10 years and you know I could run through everything that we did.

So you're saying the process itself is inefficient takes too long and it's not transparent and it doesn't include the community.

Well no I have to the only way to get it done the only way to get it done is to get the community included things that are I would think for self-evident and uh like say Bruce in school right um and tied to that, once you have gone through that process and struggled and gotten some of it to happen, doesn't mean that now we should put sidewalks everywhere because there are neighborhoods where there are wide walkways along the streets that are equivalent to the size of a sidewalk, but actually putting one in will just will cause destruction of front yards that are really not necessary because there's already walking venue on those streets.

So going back to this, going back to this one.

Do you think it needs to be split up?

Or we do we need to just add that it's uh it the process itself takes too long, but then you said it's because I think the process just takes a long time, not necessarily too long.

It takes time to include the community.

It takes time, should it should, it should take time.

Excellent.

Thank you for that.

Thank you for putting that.

Can I uh can I just add that there's potentially like not a clear path that my experience in the community is there's been that we've tried petitions, we tried going on speaking at the board of supervisors, like we try these different tactics, and sometimes we get ahead more than others, and we're not sure what's the thing that makes it happen.

We just do all the things.

So we want to know like could there be a process laid out that just says if your community needs sidewalks, you can do XY and Z, and this is the person to talk to, and this is the pro this is the timeline that we expect.

Great.

So no clear path, and what we really need is to know what the path is.

The path changes all the time.

Yeah, so cats shouldn't change, right?

It should change, it should be a change.

It should there could be multiple paths, different things, but it should be transparent about that's what's great for.

So let's take the sidewalk, yeah.

Let's take the sidewalk thing as issues.

When we started that process, we we could uh the petitioning, and at that time, the uh the money came from state rents, and we had someone in public works that helped us with 2008, and we got together and you know listed the criteria that needed what why we needed sidewalks and the body that enough, and we after missing the cutoff for two years, we finally made the cutoff on the third year.

We finally made the cutoff on the third year.

That's you know, you've got to be patient, right?

With this stuff, yours, so my case, uh, or somebody for people often use pejorative terms to refer to.

But what is the point?

What is your the point is uh the process changes?

Uh we have when we finally got the first brand, then SB1 can have been the death tax month, and boom, we got funded.

Right.

So the process changes, it's not always clear to the public uh how it's changing or why it's changing, and when the work starts.

When the work starts, they don't communication doesn't touch that.

We don't know what the whole depth is.

All right, let's look at this code enforcement zoning enforcement.

What are you guys trying to say here?

Well, in the case of code enforcement, it's practically non-existent.

We have had situations in therapy where we have had and gone to code enforcement and repeated the reporting of issues over and over again, and when you have a situation and they they say, Well, we can't do anything, so you've got vicious dogs next door, and so what they're getting out all the time, and so rough the puppies are starving.

We we we can't go in and look unless the owner gives us permission.

Well, what's the point of code enforcement?

You know, that particular situation went on for several years.

Um, if you if you have a home that's been turned into an A B and A R B A B Y, whatever the hell they're called, okay, um, and it's illegal.

Why isn't it shut down?

Why does why do neighbors have to record it and report it, report it and report it?

So there is something wrong with code enforcement.

I'm just saying I'll get off my my thing.

But those are just where I live.

Okay, it's not fair, you those are my neighbors on talking about.

Okay, okay.

What about um the zoning enforcement one?

Is that part-to-parcel, or it's really the same thing, the same complaints?

But it will stand to it's uh there aren't enough enforcement people, and not only that, but they aren't backed up by uh um lawmakers who insist the those laws being here, that's good.

So this one, this one around local communities, let's see, get rid of extra committees, access to county services, communication for the mailing this one clear, oh clear process for V DM planning.

Oh, clear process for community input, encourage local communities to be more crap.

This one was about identity, yeah.

That's fine, and so what is the whole stream say to you?

Uh people are losing their identity as as community.

Loss of community identity.

Very good.

Anything else you want to say about that stream?

This one.

Um access to services, it looks a little bit like efficiency, government efficiency.

Well, actually, I I addressed the access to community services because uh we are at a turning point where we've entered the turning point where uh people who aren't on the internet are being um removed from society and they cannot get any services because let's face it, there's no phone book that has a phone numbers or any of that kind of stuff anymore uh available in some old fashioned or even in a library.

So you maybe go to the library to find those resources.

Uh everything shouldn't be on the web all the time, and that's all, yeah.

And and you know, if you if your phone doesn't read a QR code, you're out of luck, right?

My phone doesn't read QR code, yeah.

So I'm out of luck.

Well, it's not that I have I have issues with uh seeking all right.

Let's look at this one, the last one over here, roads or traffic enforcement, don't put sidewalks where they're not needed, focus on building um communities not dependent on cars, creeks for the only Bay Area, county that doesn't enforce a water course ordinance.

What is this trying to say?

There's a lot of different things here.

Does it need to be broken up or infrastructure?

It's about infrastructure.

Is that infrastructure?

So say more.

Um, all these items are our infrastructure.

Okay, uh, they move stormwater.

Right, right, right.

Roads, they move people, right?

Right, traffic enforcement that helps right uh sidewalks, but again, so it's infrastructure and what you can say it's about communication, it's about planning, it's about involvement.

What is it that's cool, you're gonna say planning?

What what a beautiful word?

Well, no, because our our planning department doesn't plan.

Oh, what does it do?

It react how are they funded?

They were funded by building permits, right?

Uh-huh.

They have to scramble for money to get a specific plan for an area, and then once the community is done with it, it just turned over to developers to cut it so they can do what they want.

All right.

Well, let's add that to this one.

So do you think that there's anything that's really missing from this list?

Do you want to add infrastructure?

Non-existent code enforcement planning zoning services, budget that isn't transparent.

If these things were solved, would you be happy, Calperson?

One thing that I think is there, but maybe not there, the whole community identity.

When the government comes in to try to make changes, there does not seem to be any acknowledgement on about the community identity.

Different communities have different identities.

Fairview has a rural identity it used to, but it is being, I use the word forced almost into overbuilding.

We're losing our rural identity, we're losing our identity.

Right.

When you're when you're going in to make adjustments to the area, and you know, for instance, when we're talking about oh, we need housing.

And I asked the question, has there been an evaluation done on the amount of vacant housing currently available, then just being left vacant?

No, nobody looked, you know.

So what you keep building even though maybe you have vacancy.

I don't know, maybe we don't have vacancies, but I'll bet we do, but nobody looked.

That's around.

Yeah, I think we brought it up in the broader macro session about climate change, but I know that an issue that our community is concerned about is uh egress routes, emergency egress routes based on um, you know, any kind of emergency, be it earthquakes, and this folds into some of the concerns that were listed out before is when we have some development that doesn't directly address uh traffic calming mitigations or uh you know how many cars or homes can be built in a community in order to allow for safe uh evacuation when those types of things aren't somebody somebody asked why aren't they allowing people to make public comment?

You'll have your opportunity to make public comment at the end of the meeting.

At the end of the meeting, you'll be able to make public comment and add your um comments in then.

The public will be able to have public comment at after this portion for this item.

So the public will be able to make public comment on this item when you guys get there.

Great.

Thank you for that clarification.

Okay, so I let me just finish my point.

So the and that also is tied into climate change, which is what a major thing that we deal with is uh fire, um you know, concerns, and there are um you know, whether we're kind of rural adjacent or there are a lot of rural communities within Fairview, and um most folks here know that we have a lot of legal industries that are highly flammable, overgrown, over out-age, um, and so and we do not have direct access, although there is a great shipping program that people should access.

Um, we don't otherwise have ways to mitigate some of those real uh, you know, those are real issues in our community.

Those trees can go up and in several cases they have and really threaten our communities.

When we don't have immediate egress routes, in fact, this is something we had to fight for.

That it just it plays in.

That's a concern that our community has.

All right.

Um, if we were going to take one more step, and if you have the board of supervisors sitting right here in front of you, based on what's come up tonight, what would you say the message from the career Mac is to the board about what you need in terms of services or philosophy or idea?

I think what we need from them.

Well, they should all join Toastmasters for one, because in Toastmasters, you learn to listen, you learn active listing.

We would like them to show that they are actively listening to what we have to say, actively listening to our concerns, and then they then will pose um solutions that show that active listing that are responsive to our concerns instead of all the posturing that we get and all the political back and forth and and all of the strength, that's just what it is.

So yeah, active listening and responsiveness to the specific issues, active listening listening and responsiveness to the specific issues.

What else would you say?

I'm newer to this Mac board, and so I don't have the same exact experience, but I would commend the um the county for going about this process in the first place.

I think it's um it gives me some some hope that we have a path forward.

I really feel like there's some tried and true ways in which the county has established the committees or other um kind of yeah, other processes that can get us there.

So I'm encouraged, and I would say um that the main issue that I'm hearing is there needs to be clear process for community input, processes for community input, and that the um and there needs to be uh transparency and clear communication on their end so we understand what's happening with the budget, what the intentions are, and how we can participate with you know, accessing the funding and accessing the services.

Did you guys get that?

That was a quite a succinct statement, I think.

Okay, we got some recording, but thank you.

Thank you, Rita.

That's great.

Well, you have three stickies in front of you, three little sticky dots, and the last thing we're gonna do here is we're going to ask you to um put your sticky dots on the things, the area, the area as a whole, not into the individual, the area of the whole that are most important to you, and you could spend those three dots like money.

So if you really think you know uh code enforcement is high priority, all three of your dots, or you could spread them out, it's up to you.

So just take a look at the areas at a whole, the colors don't mean anything.

So just take a look and then come up here and vote.

Is this on a macro level or is this county level or is this fairview level?

This is on the fair view level, and it is thinking about these areas as a whole, so it's not this.

You can put the documents, but it's not about this particular thing, it's about this area, yeah.

So uh, people that are moving near the ball or good neighbors in the audience.

Can they have us all?

They can give their public, but they can vote when they do public comment at the end of this item.

Right now, this is for you guys.

This item, this is the first stop on the schedule.

So for everybody that's been having issues with listening online, it will be in the Eden Mac next week, the cash value rack the week after that you can also uh attend in person or online and uh the sound will hopefully be fixed by that.

Can I make a general comment?

Well, sure.

My yours are also voting.

I got involved in traffic governance issues that's not.

I got involved in technical governance issues after I got involved in just community issues.

And my son grew up, and I didn't need to be a little reproach.

I could be a scout master, you know, that kind of stuff.

And the world is different now.

It's so expensive to live here.

We have people that are super commuters, and they're doing hour and a half, two hours each way to meet in how are they building community and while we're going to affect us?

You know, you don't have the liberty process because you don't have you know, I finished those and I looked around and said, Well, I got an engage elsewhere, right?

Right.

I mean, what I hear you saying is our world is changing, and some of the things that are most fundamental, like community identity and understanding how to participate, even matter all the more because we're not going to stop change.

We could maybe redirect it, but we have to do that active listening that Sally was talking about.

Exactly.

Right.

I I think uh just in my little niche of fair review, uh, we had a couple of large properties that had livestock.

That was really cool when we were at the kids' level, but as it started getting developed, the last holdout, that gal looked around and she came to each of us and apologized and says I've got to sell now.

She had courses and she had a training thing.

And yeah, we all knew each other, and she said, it's not gonna work moving forward.

I've got to move out.

And they're already building, but we've all had a do it.

And we understood where she was coming from.

So let's look at where the voting landed us.

It seems like the most dots went on the community being included in the process.

Um did this surprise any of you with that first those?

No.

And then it's sort of evenly divided, really, between all the others.

Um, but it sounds like it's going back to you know to what Chris was saying that it really is about community engagement, community respect, customer service, that is sort of precedes everything else.

Communication.

Alright, I think our bedtime is up, and I want to thank you.

And if there's anything you think that we could, um, we're gonna be a um more maps coming up, three more, that you would change.

So anything that you would change or do differently, or something you think worked, something that didn't work, we would really love your feedback.

And you can say that too online.

It's uh return.

So is there any comments that you would have about what worked or what we should change?

Okay, all right.

Let's do it.

Thank you very much, everybody.

Thank you so much, Paddy.

I appreciate you.

Um we are excited to hear from the public and we will do that next, but before that, I'd like to just take a five minute thing.

Oh, then up for public comment, we're gonna give everyone uh three minutes.

Do we have any speakers?

Regional speakers.

First will be Jill Solo.

So I am I am Neil Silma, um, I gave my opinion in earlier forum, so I'll just uh I'll stay with that.

I didn't want to congratulate you guys though on giving Claudia and Natalie and Steph and Eric will uh remind you that you'll have another opportunity on December 3rd to do the same at the Big Mac.

I wonder if we did um this sounds so good.

I'm so grateful to Claudia and now I'm staff for doing this.

It's been a long time coming since the only day, so Eli and Claudia and Claudia and others have taken the reins.

The this process is the next step, so just for being um reminding us all what this is about.

I mean, this process is the next step in developing an annual efficient throwway for unincorporated communities to community with county to to communicate with county agencies and the county administrator about the services they receive in their budget priorities.

So you guys did a good job.

That's not thank you for that.

Um, do you think now we have another speaker?

Yes, we'll go to Brenda Clark.

Hi everybody, it's Brenda Clark, a resident of Fairview for 40 years.

I just wanted to uh mention to you that we were um my husband and I were on the Fairview Mac formation committee back in when was that, 2015, along with other concerned citizens, and um I have a PowerPoint presentation that we developed back in the day to uh get that format formed and we went house to house, we did a lot of work.

Uh if you want to a copy of that PowerPoint presentation, I'll be happy to send it to you.

You can get my email address from um Ashley.

I want to say that tonight's presentation, although um good that we're actually having the Mac uh engaged and something that affects us all.

The Mac is supposed to represent us all.

Um the when I saw the agenda that that you were querying the individual board members about their opinions about what should happen, and now it looks like it's ended up with a list of what those individuals feel are important that we the community and their constituents will um weigh in on it's it's backwards.

Um the Mac should be in there saying our community members are interested in this, that, and the other.

So it's kind of behind where it should be.

So I'm thinking we might be polled, um, regarding the concerns of uh five individuals instead of what our concerns are to wit, uh I think the county should develop rules, and who to call for what and send it out to everybody too.

We need um traffic enforcement on private streets, and there's a way around that, and there's a petition that the county can get involved with to allow the state to have highway patrol control some of the uh stuff that's going on up here.

Um evacuation routes are a big arouse, are a big uh issue.

Uh the biggest issue, in my opinion, and others is code enforcement.

Um I have heard more than 20 times that code enforcement tries to make it work for the violator.

They've said that verbally, they've said it indeed, and we have no code enforcement, and everything's just going crazy.

So to me, and uh I think it would be beneficial for the Mac to query or this presenter to query the community first and let the Mac say, not what they personally think, but what their community constituents um would like to see happen.

Thank you.

That's weird, but you think it's not our function.

Can you hear me?

Good evening.

Um I too was um information for the therapy back and the uh port that uh they're gonna talk about that.

And we walk the streets of fair.

We walk the streets of Fairview to get people to come to our national meeting.

I want to thank you for this opportunity to share my concern.

I know that there are you have the last 28 years, and my property uh lines up with the center of the creek.

And so mine is about uh room as far as for fires, because uh have a lot of trees and the atmosphere uh storm happened, a lot of them fell on the um easeway where the farm brush should be able to get to.

So mine is about fire safety and the concern, and one we make sure that uh for those all of us who have to do with this trees, that um, you know, some things we've done about the other is uh around the housing.

Um I think sometimes we're looking at it and I don't know, I'm not sure if we have an inventory of uh available housing, but uh we can build a lot of housing, but if people cannot have jobs and afford to pay the rent, um you'll have a lot of things.

So I think that maybe um vocational job training and so should be popularity.

I'm not sure about the demographics as much as I'd like to.

I'm not fair view.

Um I think a lot of us are trying to comment about for the whole uncorporated communities.

I think um having protectional training and image here that we do have to tell us, we'll be people can afford to live in the and um I want to thank you uh for the opportunity to share with concerns commentations as far as prior and housing.

Uh that doesn't mention that for those of you that aren't aware of uh readers are elected representative to uh or the sanitation board.

And I think they's very good at the companies, but I'll take it back.

Yeah, in the mute.

And it's a contact here.

Happy landly.

Hello, well, I really have to agree with people that have been weak.

And while we have a strong CHP present in the area, they can only enforce when they are available.

And I know that the CHP has been very proactive in this area.

But we really need the infrastructure.

The problem with D Street is that it used to be part of the key line railroad.

That's why this street is wide.

And GM and Ford shut it down so they could sell their cars.

So we didn't have the infrastructure as we grew to make the road in compliance with reckless driving.

Because everyone's going downhill at a very fast rate in muscle cars, it's a disaster.

And we can't get public works to work with us to be transparent and to give us timelines.

And the supervisor's office is not supporting us in that.

And that needs to be changed immediately.

This is the wild wild west of Fairview, and we deserve more.

So there's a Alameda County Public Works Agency, and they're looking at their website.

They say that they uh do uh flight control maintenance, road maintenance, uh vegetation management, all these things.

And uh what they do, and other kind of agencies might do the same thing.

They give you a phone number on the website for you to call and it's a black hole, leave a message, nobody's gonna call you back.

Um, I haven't tried to try to well, I have their emails, but it's your job to get their emails.

So when you leave messages, you don't have any records you can't afford it to go to the next guy with the same message.

You just wasted, you know, uh a minute, and uh, you know, you don't know if you nowadays people don't do phones anymore.

You don't tell the kids, you know, everybody's a lot younger than me, they don't want you to call up, they want you to just want text, and the emails are kind of the same way in business.

So these guys don't want to do business, and um uh and that's all websites, no nothing about emails or names, no names, it's all about um hiding behind um uh a facade, the facade of service, but there's no accountability.

There's no no real communication, no real records for you.

So you know what you what's what's going on, what you've done.

And then uh there's another thing that they do they do put out an occasional report because, you know, uh small businesses, uh diversity, equity, inclusion, um, and uh tracking bandit report each project and report how many labor hours when it's that project, and uh then there's another project when there's no project.

So we actually over the last several years have released a lot of records showing this many labor hours.

Um the project they'll tell you a number, they'll say, Oh, it's 50% complete, and this is this many labor hours.

Well, if you wait long enough, you'll see how many labor hours going into the project at the end.

And when they said it was 50% complete, uh it was actually 25% complete, and that wasn't just one mistake, they do it over and over and over again.

Project after project is systematic over selling of Alameda County Public Works Agency projects, so they're they're telling you all we're we've got this problem, it's moving right along, and it's not.

Um, and I think that's I better have better control over there for capital how much money they can spend, but it seems like they can take all the time in the world.

And you can while while they're spending that time, they're telling you that everything is fine and it's moving right along.

Thank you.

Hi, can you hear me now?

This is Karen Carey.

I have lived in Fairview for 66 years since 1959, so I've seen a lot of changes up there.

Chris mentioned someone moving out.

I used to be able to raise horses on my property.

I would bring my cows and calves home.

Um, had goats, everything cannot do any of that now, been rezoned out of all of that, have watched it grow and lots and lots and lots of houses go in, more traffic and everything.

There's gonna be change, yes, but it needs to be thought out.

Um we're we're used to be a rural area, it'd be nice to stay semi-rural.

We're getting rid of all the wildlife because there's no place for them to graze or anything.

Somebody brought up um buses.

The roads up there aren't made for buses.

They're just not wide enough.

We're not set up for that.

But I want to go back just for a second and say for your next meeting that you have.

If you're zooming in, it was not possible for me to be there in purpose.

So I zoomed in.

It's supposed to be if you zoom in that you it's just like you're being there.

That's not how it's working because you brought up all these different issues and ask people's opinions.

You're saying you want community involvement, but you're not allowing the community that's zooming in to have any involvement.

There's you know, there's not enough time allotted to me now to go over everything that I wanted to go over with you as you went down all these.

For code enforcement, one of the main issues is if you try to have a complaint, took me three and a half years to get an issue settled going through public works, and then finding out maybe public works doesn't carry that, doesn't handle that one.

So something has to be done, so it's clear when people come in, how to get the attention they need.

We have people that do not live in Fairview telling us how we should be thinking and handling Fairview.

Once again, the no communication, even if they listen to us in one ear, out the other, that needs to change developers, all the housing they put in, a lot of that is strictly greed, and so you know, our our way of life is going down the toilet with all of that.

Um sidewalks, the same thing.

There's places we don't want sidewalks, thank you very much.

We used to be able to ride our horses everywhere.

We can't do that, but there's places there's just not room for a sidewalk unless you're gonna take someone's entire front yard.

Um, and the creeks not honoring, respecting, protecting our creeks is ridiculous because the developers come in and they find whatever loopholes they can to build and do as much as they can, and now I am out of time and not been able to make all the comments I would have liked if I could have commented each time you brought up a different issue.

Thank you.

Good evening.

My name is Chuck Myos.

I'm a resident in the Fairview area.

And I was like, probably a lot of citizens of this area when I started this process.

I didn't even know what a supervisor was.

I didn't know what a math was.

And I had problems that I was hoping the county could address.

So I started working my way through the educational process of learning about all these different agencies and finding out from the outfit suit that I said the wrong door and had to go next door.

What we're really talking about when you talk about budgets is you're really talking about the allocation of power.

The power to control where money is spent is the power to set our power to obtain resources is also an important part of the bottom.

As I've observed the map for several years now, unfortunately, the map lacks meaningful power.

I have discovered that any important decision always, always ends up for the supervisors.

You get a favorable or an unfavorable decision at co-enforcement, it goes to the BCA.

You get a favorable or unfairable decision of the VCA, it then gets appealed to the board.

So in a sense, why not just skip all of those steps and go straight to the board of supervisors?

Which is essentially what happens.

Now the problem is when you go to the board of supervisors meetings, all these things on their agenda, their agenda is I've seen 50, 60, 70 items on their jet.

So how much time can they actually spend on that?

We've got to cover 50 or 60 items in uh two or three or four hours.

So it becomes a vicious cycle.

Not enough attention, too many items one of the board, and the max, the BCA and the other agencies should be granted sufficient power that the issues can be resolved, thereby saving the board of supervisors all this additional attention that they have to spend on local issues.

So I'd like to break it down into five areas.

What the max needs is the ability to access for demand information.

That is a power.

I want to know what's going on.

It's not a subpoena power, but they should have the power to say, I need this information to get into it.

Secondly, the ability to reallocate budgets, including the PETOR, have a meaningful input in the budget process itself.

Three, the ability to access or obtain resources.

Otherwise, how can we get more resources to be brought in?

Like Chris had mentioned, the state funding process.

Four, and we've heard this many times, accountability or demanding accountability from various public agencies for the quality of services they could be providing or not providing.

The Mac should be able to demand these agencies or combo Macs, which are sent by city government.

And lastly, forcing the outflow of information to the parties.

That means geographical dispersion of information should be 50 feet from the effect that site it should be as large as it needs to be.

Oh, so bad.

Anyway, uh anyway um all the the items we had up there.

And I tried I really like to put your final points.

That was uh um appreciated, and the um the the people that were on the line, um you know i hear the customers, as a matter of fact, uh I think Paul Hodges is trying to back there and uh you want to i think that's all just speaking he wasn't able to get on yeah yeah i think he has i don't know um okay yeah thank god and good evening can you hear me yes go ahead can you hear me she can be can you hear me can you hear me yes okay i'll make i'll make it quick um i thank you for all the the hard work you guys are doing um i just want to make something clear about uh identification um we were almost left out of the signage program and i made a fuss and they went ahead and uh made this designs i think there were three designs one was an owl i think uh uh oak tree on another and uh the other was uh two uh hills and that's what we need uh uh to let people know they're now coming in to um fair view but it it was started they they select in fact it was a um a selection to the choose i can't remember which one of those um images um got it but it uh it evidently it just just disappeared i don't know who dropped the um the the bell or the sign but it's gone the other thing i just wanted to let you know the positive things about happening in fairview um with hard we've uh got two uh new parcels um one is on d and the other's on clay and they're gonna be um one is a a very open area uh where kids can do um just uh as a please uh maybe soccer whatever and um it's part of the the our the hayward uh ridge trail too but um just want to let you know that oh that we're working hard too on silver creek we're doing um uh a lot of new uh things to the uh the place so if you'd be a pleasure to see you guys go down there and see what we've been doing down in sulfur creek so uh that's into my talk and um good night i'm done i don't know how to to kill this thing i think they do okay thank you so i'm gonna close public comment and i'm going to um open it up for discussion amongst the board chris did you finish your thought but yeah the only thing uh what what one last item to uh and maybe direct the board claudia um for the future meetings is uh some way to include the audience and each of the the points that i don't know the mechanics of that but um yeah, we heard it from from the community.

So that's that's it for me.

So yeah you mentioned that the information the the quote at the meetings and send me a recommendation, so basically it's a different property.

You know, I have this by contacting Ashley can we just have Claudia say her preferred method of communication right now into a microphone so everybody can hear it?

Yes, we just wanted to remind the public that if um they have additional comments they could send them in writing to Ashley and her email address is Ashley.acgov.org, ASHLEY dot Str A S B U R G at ACL.org.

Thank you.

Okay, no.

Okay.

I'd like to like the thing while you can I appreciated the messages.

The add-ons that the public called and also spoke here for that.

Um I do think that it would be better to uh bring up the public uh comments per session for AB and C and speaking to when it was uh and also um I think that uh was correct that uh really we should have had some input from the public before we stepped into this role.

Did you want to do this on?

Yeah, um yeah, I'm gonna be redemptive.

I totally agree that the meeting should be broken up so for future reference as we go through each item, we do our thing, but really the public should do their thing first, and then we should have our comments so we can reinforce what they've said, and then if we have any other thoughts, we can add them.

So I also think yes, that addresses the two things the fact that yes, I do think it was backwards.

I agree, and I do think that the public should have been able to step in on each item, and maybe not three minutes for each item, maybe a minute and a half or two since we're breaking it down, but so they can speak throughout because this is supposed to be a collaborative process.

In fact, I said to myself as I was coming, um, I really should have been out canvassing the neighborhood and everybody else I could think of to get their input, which I did not do, I acknowledge.

Okay, so um I think the process here needs to help incorporate those comments.

Do I have anything else?

Um did are there notes on what those four areas were in title which were titled, how they were titled.

But I wrote I wrote down three of them and I don't know whether I captured them right or not.

I've got communication infrastructure, then I missed one, and then enforcement is kind of how I characterize them.

How did you make them up?

Uh so Natalie was taking notes and uh she was sharing it on the screen, so we'll get a copy of her note taking and added.

Um give it to the clerk to add to uh add an extra attachment to this meeting when it's posted.

Okay, because I kind of like when it's when it's ready, not now.

I'd like to actually make the motion, but I need to know what those what those categories were.

Does anybody have the categories written down?

Because I like to make it as specific as I can, um, acknowledging those categories.

I think you have most of them correct.

I also was trying to capture them in real time like you.

So I believe they were community input.

Oh, sorry, Ibrahim thought, and I'm supporting this project.

Um, so I had community input, community identity, and infrastructure as well.

Yeah, those weren't those weren't the broad categories though.

Some of those were combined into broader categories, um, like enforcement.

Um, I think we code enforcement and enforcement.

So I think we had a couple of the same enforcement infrastructure, community input, community identity, so community identity maybe was one, and then communication, I think was was the one of the broad.

So is added community identity and then okay, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, I think uh inclusive in that one was uh I think what we were also called I sometimes referred to as like government uh accountability and all of those notes.

So yeah, we can get back to everybody with um with the think-up version of the notes.

Is it the words?

I think for the purposes of the motion, for the purposes of the motion, we could use the categories that we just figured out.

Do you think we have them written down?

Okay, okay.

So I won't be redundant, but I just I want to frame my comments to say that we the county has set out to elicit input from the community.

Uh the process is rocky.

Here we are, trying our best.

Uh, I also want to acknowledge the community comments on not it not being an ideal process that they would have liked to have input along the way.

I want to encourage everybody who has additional thoughts that didn't speak tonight to please email Ashley.

Um, and I'm hoping Ashley you can forward that to the rest of the board so we get that input, um, and to Playa as well.

Um, you know, just wanted to reiterate that the process here, we heard um from each other, you know, some some thoughts.

I want to recognize that we as this board in my understanding have been placed in these roles to sometimes speak for the community, not because we are the opinion, absolutely not, but um in many cases along our journey in these roles, we have had multiple conversations with people, um, maybe Sally who didn't for this particular point, but along the road we do talk to folks and hear input, and there were a lot of reoccurring things that folks brought up that we were able to share.

So it may not be a perfect reflection, and I'm not saying that this is a perfect process, not at all a defensive um position, but just want um to share what I believe our our role here is.

However, Chuck did call into question um you know the effectiveness of what this board is, how what role do we play, and how effective can we be as a voice of the community, and even if we are a clear reflection of that, how effective is our recommendations moving forward, and I think those are really important questions to ask.

And I think I'm hoping I don't have a motion at this moment, I want to hear yours, but I'm hoping that this process will help define those questions or have answers to those questions.

Maybe we can create a more perfect committee that is more reflective of our community.

I think that is a good goal for us to get towards.

Right.

Um, and I just wanted to add, well, I didn't go out on this particular item.

I've been in the community for 40 years.

I've been on this council for I don't know, three or four years.

I would five years, I'm not sure, five years.

But my comments reflect my understanding of what I've heard from the community.

I just didn't go out and say to people, we have this item.

What would you like to add to it?

So I asked my husband, I guess, as I was walking up the door, but I didn't ask me, you know, but but I talked to people, right?

And I know about what's going on and the examples that I use for issues that were happening in my neighborhood and around.

So yeah, it it did reflect just I just didn't do the specific one.

I I think I would like to make the motion.

I like to move that the fair view map support the four combined items.

There was there were things underneath each of those items.

I'm not going to try to to state those, but I would like that them to be captured in the in the understanding of the motion, that those are all included in those four categories in the order of the dots so the the first one with the four dots was um transparency communication um community involvement that that was the concept behind that I call it communication but it's all those things listed down number two had number two and three had three dots each and that one was infrastructure so talking about um not adding bus lines but just you know how are we going to get out of here how are we going to get cars and vehicles out of here if we have to evacuate and um what can we really support in the way of development and how is that all fit together I think I'm capturing and then the the I the concept of community identity and active listing by the board of supervisors I kind of put in that people listen and respond based on what we've said and that applies to every community every map area has its own identity and we shouldn't be treated with cookie cutter precision and then the last is the but had two dots and that is enforcement whether it's code enforcement or well I guess traffic enforcement was under one of the other ones zoning enforcement thank you were under that I don't have them all but that's so those four major areas that my motion is that our map um report our support of those four areas in that order but that they're all important.

Did that did I do it okay?

The only yes I would maybe just uh clean up and say what those four titles are without going into what they show so hopefully I'll capture it then if someone wants to amend please do so number one is communication number two is infrastructure number three is community identity and number four is enforcement and that the the map the fair view map supports those four areas as being important going forward process that's that's communication I think that was under communication as a whole yeah yeah just can I yeah please so I think then there has to be an actionable item perhaps we could suggest that the county second the motion oh good yeah you're right you're right is what's supposed to happen I'll second the motion okay and now we're open for discussion yes okay so I would suggest then that we move to support improving fair view through our four specific points um through like an inclusion of the budget setting process and then some kind of requesting that the county involve us in kind of have some transparency in it I don't know the wording anybody have any thoughts so you're so you're recommending an amendment to the first item for that list is that right yes okay the whole reason we're making these comments is because it's pertaining to the budget so these are all actions that some of them are more ethereal than that but all of these categories apply to the development of the budget is that what that's what you're saying that's what I'm saying.

So do we need I'm not trying to take over, but I just wanted to ask because I kind of know what the next step is.

Are you so based on that understanding?

Are you are you suggesting the amendment as you stated to the first item?

Yeah, but let me clean it up unless anybody has any anything to add to it.

Okay.

So I'm gonna move to support and removing um our four categories that we've determined, which are communication infrastructure, identity, and enforcement and enforcement through including through the inclusion of the budget setting process while expanding the county's budget annual reporting to show detailed expenses and revenue line items for each one of those specific areas.

Okay, so at the front end of your sentence, can you say I move that we amend your motion as follows?

Okay, you've already done the S follows.

I move to amend your motion as follows.

Okay, I'll set that now.

We and is there is there discussion on the amendment to the motion?

Okay, so we need to have a vote on the amendment to the motion first, and then a vote on the motion, the resulting motion itself.

So we need a roll call vote on that.

Council member former.

Um I agree.

Oh council member goes.

Aye, council member rose.

I share and please excuse.

Okay.

So now we need to put a vote on the amended.

No, the yeah, so on the end of motion.

Because the amendment itself passed.

So now we have another vote on this.

The amended motion.

Council member common.

I have council member who doesn't.

Aye.

Council member rose.

I'm sure I'm just excused.

So the motion passes.

Um I think we close that agenda item.

I have a question.

What is the deadline to be a written comments or hold on one second?

So Rita asked what is the deadline to get it written the comments?

I would say two weeks.

And can Ashley, this is a logistical question.

Can we have Robbie or reiterate the process so people know what the next step is again?

Yes.

Okay.

Um the process going forward is there has been an urban unincorporated meeting that was on September and 18th, and there were representatives from fair view at that meeting, including Paul Hodge, by the way, projects.

The rural rural meeting was on September 23rd.

We've had this meeting tonight, and the future meetings are we'll be at the even area map on October 14th, the Sennol PAC on October 15th, the Castor Valley MAC on October 20th, and then on December 3rd, there is a joint unincorporated services big map where we will bring forward the results of all the data we received and our recommendations about moving forward.

So everyone is invited to all these meetings, but particularly I would say the third meeting is a very definitive meeting.

And can we just give confirmation that any written uh comments to you will then be reflected in the December 3rd meeting?

Yes, any written comments will be reflected in the December 3rd meeting in the compensation.

I would want to close this item.

Yes, okay.

I close this item.

Um, so next is chair report.

Um, I the only thing I want to mention is um what is it?

The trunk retreat um that's gonna happen at the Home Tree Cemetery on the 25th, October 25th, 11 to 3 p.m.

Um there is not a subcommittee report for the fireworks ordinance.

Um council announcements.

Um, do you have a comment?

Yes, I have my monthly reminder.

On November the 8th is the fourth or fifth annual veterans event celebration at Lone Tree Cemetery.

It's on a Saturday at one o'clock from one to two o'clock.

There will be light refreshments.

We are going to have a speaker from the flight.

Oh, what are they called?

Honored flight group.

And it's gonna be fabulous, it's fabulous every year.

It's something that was long overdue in terms of we have Memorial Day events, but we did not have veterans events.

And so this is one that got started about five years ago.

It's still going.

Please spread the word.

Um there will be thanks to Chris, and as soon as I send him the flyer tonight when I get home, there'll be information out on next door and on the Fairview Community website, and I will be putting it on my personal Facebook page, and if anybody would like to also put it on their Facebook page, I'll send it to Ashley so that she can get it up.

Maybe I'll send it to Dale because I know that he's got connections.

Um I'll be sending it out to the submarineers group that I have supported in other cases and they will come on out.

So again, as many veterans associations that you know of, please spread the word.

Thank you.

Beth, do you have anything else?

No.

Well, um, I don't have an announcement asked about when this budget item is gonna show up on our chair.

I thank you for the staff that we're doing, but that we could you guys do that.

Um, it's been a long row, but uh we'll go a little row uh I will just mention the fireworks or miss because I want to have something that I have every month.

So I I feel all of you to do that, and it could have uh yeah, yeah, there were a couple things, but uh, and one more thing.

Um I was so keyed in on on how to make it better that I forgot to compliment on how good it was.

So this process I thought was quite effective.

I thought that you um walked us through the different parts, you helped us to think globally, brought it back down, and even though the community wasn't having input each step, they were also thinking and being brought along.

So thank you, and thank you for being here and all the work that you did.

I truly appreciate it.

Okay, thank you, Fania.

Okay, staff announcements.

Uh the only announcement is to remind everybody that your November meeting will be on Thursday, November 6th.

Uh so it'll be limited from the Tuesday.

The ROE has this room for election purposes, so your meeting will be on Thursday, November 6th, 6th.

Okay, we adjourn.