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And roll call.

Commissioner Brazil.

Commissioner Berry, excuse Commissioner Domes, excuse Commissioner Gardner.

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Commissioner Hursken.

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All right.

So we are here to take an action vote on our recommendations.

So I tried to summarize uh where we landed based on the many iterations that we were verbalizing.

So there is the handout that has the large one, two, three down the side.

And I and this was my best capture.

So if there are any different recollections or we need to change, uh please let's let's have those comments here.

Um we were referencing this this thing right here.

In fact, uh can I be promoted to okay, sure.

So this is the document um that we that I tried to summarize our first priority through to 11.

So as you can see here, the priority was one, and we had housing and property.

So for my note, it was you know 7.1 through 7.4 um as the first priority, and then the second was economic opportunity and wealth that we my notes.

I showed we combined them.

That was 2.13.

And 13.1 and 13.2, then three was the establishment of the office.

So we pulled from the other and we pulled from the general.

Um so that created the office and the funding for it.

Then four was help, and so we put uh 10.1 and 10.2, but I also pulled 9.6, which was in other but had to do with trauma and healing centers.

So uh added that under health, and five was family and particular black youth.

Uh six was education, and two recommendations there, and seven is the long legal system, and I also added the word public safety to reminder, uh, because I had so much in my notes that said this is part of the um totally incarcerated and public safety conversation, and then added 9.5 to this one as well because it talked about violence intervention network and collaborations with the office of OVP.

Then eight is general, which was doing the report um and implementing across working across cities and implementing recommendations across all the 15 cities, generating a harms report and equity report.

That was eight, which was six the six point two to six point five, and then the ninth category was the creative culture, so that's preserving black history and data arts creative content, then 10.

I had as the political disenfranchisement, so this you know our civic representation, coding rights, and then also intergovernmental accountability and coordination, and then 11 was data, so that was the remaining nine, so 9.2 and 9.3 went here, whereas the other 9.1 went elsewhere.

That was data, data transparency, and to help document the harm, and then 12 was the environmental and infrastructure items.

First I'll ask is there anything out of order for that folks remembered differently?

Because it's like I said, this is not just uh to keep like organized and not asking.

I think you captured it pretty well.

Isn't that your notes?

Yeah.

We looked at it, you know, you know, we looked at it earlier, but okay.

So nothing is missing here.

Oh well.

One thing I would say is that um I'm sort of wary of bundling the data stuff with the referendum department.

I think there should be sort of two separate recommendations.

Like one for the sort of data and accountability key, and then the second part for sort of the oversight department.

And then an additional thing, which furniture death is this might be something that belongs to the reparations department if it's created, is like coordinating between different levels of government.

I mean, there's a lot of overlap, you're right.

Um, you want to separate them?

Well, so on let's do the first one first, where you talked about data and the department.

I guess the question is how much how much do we want to sort of place on having a reparations department or a reparations office?

Let me let me not only agree in part, but what I was gonna respond to was the um the harm report, and probably wasn't that part of what the reparations uh department would do.

So then there is a data question.

That's what I agree with.

And you know, I'm I'm not for or against it being somewhere.

You your concern is well, I mean, my concern is actually somewhere whatever.

I mean, what I raised two weeks ago, somewhere to what we're raised last week is that my concern is that you concentrate too much equity functionality in one place in the county bureaucracy that god forbid, you know, the political headwinds start blowing the other direction, it'll be very easy to cut those functions out of the government.

Having said that, remember then the idea was that in each of the not only are you right, but that one of the things, and I'm not sure where it is in the recommendations, but that all the different parts of the county government needs a for lack of a better term, the DEI agent there that is a referent or ref referendum or a reparations relation.

So that's we need you not only are you right.

I mean, that that's exactly what is that we're living through, right?

But if you install someone in all the different places, then you don't run that risk, or at least you've semi-leviate that would have to be in the I'm gonna just use the term articles and of incorporation of the reparations department that each underlying department has a liaison representative county seat or whatever in the education department.

There's a person and or persons that looks into this in the legal department, there's a person and/or yeah, so that's that's what I think is concerned, right?

But that's how we at least I think so.

The um commissioner Barry is true.

Welcome.

Welcome.

Thank you.

And then this is just you know, something out there is with the department of reparations.

Would it behoove us to have a governing board also?

Or if the department is not available to be created, at least create a governing board for reparations.

Well, would it um Mr.

Null, um Commissioner Nol say that when you set up a new department, there's a commission that is set up.

So it needs it needs some oversight.

Yes, no, okay, yeah, that then we're on the same page.

All right, yeah.

Commissioner Little.

No, it's one shots.

But I want to go, I want to follow up on uh if there's actually some movement on some things here.

Um, so we do have a third part of the uh setting up the office and setting up the fund.

Um I think the 9.4 data is there because that section referred to a department as well.

Okay, it said the data goes in that department.

Well, I mean, like the department with the department because like there's multiple sort of data related recommendations, yeah.

Like one that specifically men's like a arms report department, yeah.

And then there are others that are sort of where the data I think is more disaggregated in terms of where it fits within the county government.

If I can jump in, I will just say that the data stuff came out of my committee, and what we envisioned was that the community, sorry, the county partner will be the library.

So our vision was that the reparations, I guess permanent office will be a part of the library, and that as part of that effort, there will also be an archival process of what already exists as well as a data that's created that will allow all community members and others to search for different areas of concern that we've all researched and worked on.

So to the extent people are wondering where it's supposed to go, our recommendation was that it was going to become a part of the library.

So you want to add that my data right now.

We have very high level that very high level that you know we will have report and we'll have equity reporting.

Um that it'd be a permanent part of the reparations reporting.

But you didn't really call out library.

I would leave that up to the commission.

I mean, I think if it will be a logical place for it because they already have the capabilities to archive, but that's only one function of the library because what people can come in and do.

So I think that what you think should happen almost the period there, but then what the responsibilities of a um a reparations um departments is much larger, where it can be housed and how it should be housed.

I mean, my only position on that is we just want them to be able to make a decision that could happen soon.

I'm sorry, then make a decision that can materialize in the near future.

In a nearer future, then yes, as opposed to building a building and yeah, no, I I agree.

I agree.

But that could just be the archival piece, like you said.

I just wanted to say what we were thinking versus what was potentially put down.

You know, what will also possible, um, no, I'd like your suggestion is that when we do speak to the um Lord at the end of June, is that what you just said is said, and other people say yeah, it could be here, but I think underlying that is we shouldn't be waiting five to ten years to get this done because we can't find a place where do we need a bill in on all that?

So I think that's a good point.

Um we could we could make a modification.

Uh, because I was trying to look and see where else we called out a department, like we didn't call out very many departments.

We if you wanted to add the library here, there's also we were referred up in the public safety, the office of violence prevention.

We list a whole bunch of departments to say housing should go with the HUD folks, we would you know, workforce development and should go.

We didn't draw that straight a line as you're drawing.

Yeah, if we want to, I mean, once we pick the ones we want, if people want to pick out departments today, we can.

I mean people I can pull up the chart if that helps.

Yeah, and we can make them because understanding that we're giving this to informing change, who is going to write the body of the report.

So these are like guideposts, right?

It's not like take this exact language, but if we do recommend put the department language in whatever the real strong recommendations to help guide informing change, because then it'll come back and then we get to read it in context.

So uh we're not writing it here, we're we're giving them guidance on what to do.

But we could we can put that modification in there.

So you mean do you you said that people aren't buying straight lines to departments, like in general or data specifically?

I was saying throughout.

If we wanted to start recommending departments in other areas, we could there's none that says we can't.

I mean, uh there are quite a few that that do like specifically call out particular departments.

The county that the libraries is a department and office of violence is a office.

Is Michael online tonight?

Um Evan is.

Okay.

So just plug in like what we're talking about, plug in a department.

Or yeah, yeah, that's what we can make modification for sure.

Others?

I think your point.

I think your point um, Chega is I think the strong point of your point is that we want this to come into existence and not be sitting around for years.

And clearly one place it could happen is the life.

So I think if it's said like that, that really elevates it.

Even if we because one thing I don't know, Aaron's on tonight, but like remember what they said was if we don't use all of our money, then we can do an in-kind donation back to the library for their hours.

So that could even be like fee money, whatever.

Go ahead and start the department.

So we know Deb is on.

Well, would say the amount of in-come staff that they've already put in.

If we said this money's going to future, that'd be like gave it for free.

And so don't worry about that part of it.

I I would say, um, but I I would make sure that we remembered public health is a very important part of this, and they've done a lot of the um race equity work too.

So I could work with informing change to kind of align with the depart the various departments.

Um around the the the in-kind, I appreciate it, but I'm probably gonna have to have uh hard and fast budgets to accept any kind of in-kind.

So I'm not even sure that we would be able to do that, but I appreciate the sentiment for sure.

Good point, Deb.

A number of the places around the country have located it in public health sectors.

If you map it to different departments, that'd be super helpful.

Yeah, I can help with that for sure.

Like I'm just thinking CDA for housing at property, and um, yeah, that that might be a good a good exercise for me and informing change to sit down and and look at and give it to you all after the fact.

No wonder we have you in the meeting.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

So more um if we're feeling good about the order and the recommendations and any other edits.

I did want to talk about the short-term, medium term, and long term of each of these as well.

That could take a while.

Well, wait, we need we need to do that.

No, I mean deliverable is like y'all gotta say short term long.

Is that um has that been requested of us?

Yes, it's part of our directive.

Draft action.

Yeah, no.

Short-term long, yeah, medium term long term work.

Now, when you say short-term, medium, and long term, are you talking about the time to get it to get it underway, or the length of the activities?

The time to get it started underway.

Hey, we're gonna get this now, or this is going to last for this period of time.

This is gonna last for this period of time, it's gonna last for this period of time.

I don't it'll be I don't think it's a time question, I think it's a content question.

So, for example, what is the reparations commission gonna do over short term?

It's gonna get established and put somewhere okay.

Okay, that's not in the intervening question.

Right, you know what I'm saying?

That's the answer to the question.

I was just trying to confirm to just to clear up the question so I can answer it correctly.

Yeah, I think that if we went down the list like that, um like on the housing thing.

I that's the so on.

So let's just go down the okay.

So here we are in housing, and we know that that's the you know the uh you know the titles and the headers are what was submitted by commissioners, it wasn't re-edited, it wasn't this is cut and paste from what we could submit.

There's there was no edits.

Um, so the stuff lips is listed here, but the summary um is a combination of all of it.

So you know, housing justice must be a cornerstone, advancing an integrated approach, right to return it, addressing redlining.

And we put it as our top priority.

How do people feel about the term and when to it lie in terms of the work to be done?

Are those the only things short-term medium?

Sorry.

We'll have the germ of that in what we submit to that for.

Yeah.

Is that sort of like the preamble to the recommendations?

Draft document.

We it's not chapter in verse on all the harms.

But it's it's we will have data.

We will have the data specifically that informing change does.

I don't know that we will have named it as specific.

I guess we could call that harm.

No, we we'll know all this, but then what we do in the short term.

Yeah, no, but I think that's the hard.

We should I think that's the conversation.

Literally, like, what do we want to say in the report about this is what we think is short term, and this is what we think is long term.

Now the whole thing is to transform the county.

So you know, but what would you call there's like a third?

Then I think I think housing is indefinite.

You start it long forever.

But I think to go off of what Commissioner Small was saying, like if the report is the cornerstone of what we want, maybe we can say in the short term, we want to have you know each supervisor create four deliverables for their district or identify um you know four properties that they believe would qualify for uh direct compensation.

I don't know, whatever.

Then you say in the medium term, we want the entire county to vote on uh down payment assistance, and then in the long term, we want to have um 7.4, which is racial equity conditions and county subsidies, because that might take longer to get through the red tape or whatever.

I mean, I don't know.

Well, no, I'm just saying I'm just thinking about I'm when I'm making these ideas, it's not saying we it will work, it's more so thinking of uh giving them a work plan, like okay, we want you to uh you know, we're giving you this report.

So in the next 90 days, we need you to come back to us or whoever it is that's sitting there and say these are the what we've identified in our districts, which can I go back to it, which are um need to have direct conversation, just how the house and key mount we just found out about um in six months.

We want the entire board to be able to say they're gonna vote on cash, whatever assistance, and then whatever long-term means, by that time we want to have an institutionalized way of finding racial equity in all county subsidies.

I mean, I'm just let's think the first part of what you said, which I thought which I think is right.

Um I'm looking at the down payment assistance and right to return program.

The first part of that is down payment assistance.

It seems that in the short term, one of the first things the county should do is do that.

There should be down payment assistance in the and you said 90 days or something like that.

I I think I mean I think there's something even more immediate than that, but I think that's 90 days in in real world is 180 days, you know, the thing on that short term.

Um is it possible that we can separate right to return?

We we can do what we want.

I I think what what is what it what does right to return mean?

If you were displaced or other wrongfully moved out, you have the right to come back to that land or that property that you own.

Well, I not only do I agree with that, I'm just not sure that takes place in the first six months.

Um, I think it you know, I think it all depends on how we frame it.

If it's framed in a way where um the county issues a priority or certificates are some sort of thing or document someone can pick up within the first six months, I think that is something if we frame it that way.

I think that is something that can be implemented.

Where if it's if you like a lot of people from Russell City have well documented displacement, and so with that documentation and evidence, the county should be able to issue something to them.

I don't know what we attach it to, if it's land, if it's new property, new development apartments.

I mean, what what chief does it have?

I guess that's the question.

So like by Brussels City is a good example.

So then here's this block, and it's got a um warehouse on it.

But that was Sloan Boy and Home Girls used to be their parents.

So you give them a certificate to say this is your home battle.

Um they take it by imminent domain.

Well, I'll be in a lawyer, I'm not which is how it was taken before.

Yeah, I mean, that's what happened in West Oakland.

They just said, hey, we're gonna build this freeway.

Here's five thousand dollars, bye.

Like you know, say they're like but if they go back and take the property that they took by eminent domain before and say, okay, now we're going to give this property back.

Yes, there'll be work to be done because it's a warehouse, we won't live there, but now this portion of this lot that was there previously is yours, they still have the record.

So but going back to this, this is short, medium, and long term, yes.

So it can be framed as short term, you know, the down payment assistance, and then you know, uh determine right to refute right to right to return, you know.

Determined can be done in the short term.

Okay, right.

So those are the short term, and then the midterm is you know, some of the other ones, then long term racial equity conditions, county housing subsidies, that type of thing.

So it's this covers all three of those areas.

We just need to prioritize which is first.

I think if we get bogged down in that too much, we're gonna be here, you know, three o'clock in the morning.

And then I I so I wasn't thinking about breaking out HPs.

I was like, what's the most important thing?

We put housing, you all need to start housing day one, short term, whatever all the stuff we're recommending, you gotta do that in the first 12 months.

Housing short term, boom.

Um data, medium term.

What do you want?

Maybe start in year one through three.

Okay.

We know that data.

But some of this other stuff we so that's when I thought short-term, medium term, I was taking the bucket of work, not we will be here all night if we're like this one goes.

We will need a matrix right now.

We go that one goes there, and two of these go here, and four of those go there.

Okay.

So can we could we get up a little higher?

Yeah, so let's come a little higher first.

And that's hard to say which one of these we're gonna say.

What is long term?

That's what is short term, yeah.

One year, one year one year short term, long term, one to three.

Okay, three to five.

All right.

So if we frame it, if it's framed, let's just take housing frame.

Okay, housing is uh initially short term.

There are other items that are going to be long term, but to begin with housing, we want this here, so it's short term, and then there are other okay, so we can do that with all of them because everything here is long term at some point because not everything will be done right away, but we can always start with determinating, okay.

This is short term, this is the first priority, and then you know, let's say we go back to you know, the economic uh opportunity that is short and midterm.

We got to do a determination and then go to midterm by the by one to three years, this needs to be taken care of, creating the uh department or an oversight committee, whatever that is short term.

We need to have a plan and who's gonna be there, how many people we need there, and then it's going to go to mid and long term because it's gonna be in existence.

So each of these has those issues.

So we just need to truly prioritize and then hopefully detail it properly so we can uh intimate going.

Yeah, uh, I think I hear what you said.

I feel like we're trying to combine um the term timing with the prioritization.

It might be easier if we separate them, go okay, what's ABC priority, and then what's one two, you know, and then put these into terms, but trying to combine them, maybe trip with a couple of years.

Right.

But this we do have this as priority, right?

So we send it up.

This is the prioritization.

Right.

So now we're gonna level and then it's just because it's the second doesn't mean it's short term.

Gotcha.

Unless we want to say one through five is short term, six through eight is medium, nine three twelve is long term, but I I haven't looked at it close enough to like, but it could you could move as it's been prioritized, it would that does make sense since our priorities one, two, and three, those are short term.

We need we need something eventful to happen in the first 12 months.

In those first five, you would go all the way down to five.

That's you already under well for sure.

I I think the housing economic setting up the department.

Like those four to me, like you gotta start yesterday.

And just to I'm gonna say devil's advocate, just because so if we say we got to start those top four, now those top four starting short term.

Now five will be a part of those first four.

The health, mental health, education, I mean economic opportunity and housing opportunity, those would naturally follow after that because you can't start with family within without economics and housing.

So those things we go naturally, we start with this now.

Next we're going to address this and this and this.

It's the we didn't get her overnight, we can't fix overnight.

Yes, we want it all done, but we do have to think about it.

You know, yeah, legal is very important, but that's a whole mess.

We need to get started on it.

But once we get housing, mental health and um economic started and the office started, now we can start knocking down the oven.

Does that make sense?

It's not completely agreeable.

It's not completely agreeable because we need it all done now, but well, it ain't gonna all get done now.

We've got there, Brandon, around uh our young people is that the data around what's going on with black youth is so devastating.

Um, that I would advocate to keep five in there, and if we decide not to, um, what typically happens is if we say, oh, it's gonna be embedded in one through four, it generally gets lost because it's not named.

I agree.

So I'm really advocating then I I truly understand.

I mean, we look at education, unhoused, trafficking.

I mean, there is so much harm from our kids right now, they need a call out.

Right.

That is that is true.

Yeah, I agree.

But the downside is if we push everything that at them at once, it could also get lost.

It's just one through five.

I'm just I'm just just saying, yeah, how people work, you give them too much, they're going to kind of sweep it under the rug and not do any of it.

But you know, the historic fence at all is right.

That's where the focus should be.

Let me just say what I want to say about the housing, and I've been trying to figure out how to say it.

Well, I think should have it in the main term.

Look how many people are arrested for being homeless.

Their record should be clear.

Why are you going to jail for being a poor black for you know, criminalized poverty?

Yeah, I'm and I don't know.

I know that's very small in the level of abstraction we're dealing with, but anyway, so I think you should be in blue.

Are we gonna have a question?

Are we ranking one through um 12 today?

Are we ranking one who says they're ranked?

They're ranked.

Are we gonna start this document?

Sorry, this document.

So this was this was adjusting face.

So this was me combining recommendations.

So if you look, um I was jumping ahead, but if we were going to consolidate housing and epiconomics, reparations administration accountability, health well-being, which covered you.

So if you were going to then try to consolidate, which I didn't want to over share, but well, I mean, that takes for granted the the categories that they had it as right.

So that was a different discussion, but if I feel like we should stick with this one, but if there were any ways to combine that's what this document is, combines one and two combines three, eight, and eleven.

Well, we have and this is me listening to what you all were saying.

So this and this got you to six, and then twelve got you to six recommendations that you engagement and hit all of these elements.

So I'm really jumping ahead because I'm gonna stop sharing this.

So I feel like we need to finish this conversation about these are our 12.

We ranked them last time, two and a half hours.

Now if we want to say here are the urgent things, one through five.

And then that first year, y'all better get a jump on this stuff.

By that first year, look, we've had the the office setup, we started some housing stuff.

So real quick, you've got a great plan.

Can I finish?

Can I finish?

And then I feel about medium term.

I'm gonna move some stuff around in medium term for sure.

I'm not gonna go the next five.

You know, I because you guys know I feel some kind of way about creative culture.

And so I'm gonna, but if we said those things, best of all worlds, those first five things actually happened.

So now they're set up.

What would be the next things or four things?

And knowing the priority we have, move those around, which then would say, are we comfortable?

Then anything that's left is going long term.

And there's something that says we even have to have anything long term.

Maybe we say one through ten is short term, you better launch all this, and two better happen medium term.

I I'm really taking the binders off.

Well, as far as taking binders off, I think we should go through this and prioritize what we said.

But what you have here, since many of these overlap, this is an action plan.

So even though portion of this is long term, it's got to be run into the housing economic development because those two things will work together.

Same with the um health and well-being, having use center strategic strategies and things.

So yes, these are the priorities, but this is somewhat of the action plan because they do need to be worked on simultaneously.

So we're not throwing out either of the documents in my opinion.

So can we go back to the that's helpful?

Thank you, Brandon.

Um, go back to alignment around one through five as short term, like get started.

Not that it ends, we just get started.

Okay, so then what do we think?

Now those are started, and hopefully set up.

Now what do we think?

Year one through three.

Well, do we want to do that?

I was gonna say do you want to take a motion on one through five?

Colidify that.

Well, because I was thinking I I wanted to get it laid out in case we want to do first trade.

Okay.

If we vote, then we have to undo the vote.

Oh, yeah, yeah, you might have that.

Get it and then take the vote on the slate kind of thing.

Yeah, okay.

So did somebody ask some feelings about year now, success?

First five.

What do people want to do?

Years one through three.

I don't understand why we I mean we were asked, it's a directive.

We were asked by the supervisor.

I appreciate that.

I guess the question is if we agree on one through five, let's talk about the next four or five of them.

At the medium term, yeah.

Um, you know, and so that's education, the legal system, and then the reporting arms report, creative culture, political disenfranchising.

So for example, on the harm it seems like the commission that is a priority would come out with his first harm report, one to three years.

Yeah, it makes sense.

So you would put arms reports, okay.

Eight others, and you know, my thinking with legal system would be medium, also because of what's been going on in you know, with uh you know re-electing, recalling DAs and things like that.

We need to have some sort of independent uh council to look at you know a lot of these areas, so that would be one to three to develop and understand that seven and eight kitchen number six, three.

No, I thought I thought we had six as medium also.

No, well, you you're so we're saying I didn't hear six, so six, seven, and eight.

We're going in on six was medium also because it still needs to be a different one, right?

Yeah, yeah, we're still using a lot of six, seven, eight.

Oh, six of three and seven is legal system.

Um I think seven is probably one three years out.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you don't know who's gonna win a DA's race and June.

Yeah.

That can change a lot.

Yeah.

So sometimes you have to untangle the mask before you find out what's going on.

Six, seven, eight.

Anyone got that as we medium.

Leo, do you have a perspective?

No.

Okay, I just want to make sure we can get to moving pretty fast.

I just want to make sure.

So with nine.

Right.

We're gonna have six, seven, eight.

I don't know, Susan A.

Right?

Yeah, learn.

No, I would yeah.

I I the reason I think right, I almost want to put nine as short term.

I think it's the magic learners of erasure.

Did you force the county every what the spaces and the harms and the institution like and making it both you know codified, you know, it forces you to remember and it forces us to ground to our people our left experience.

I've always felt creative and culture and intellect should be way higher up.

It just I I just think if you say this is the last thing, man, some of all of that history and the way that we engage the community is so important.

Um but I do think it's medium term.

I think you got to get to department setup, and yeah, I think right, and that's what I was gonna say.

And also when you're talking about departments, especially you know, education and housing, uh, some of the um cultural uh cultural effects can be integrated into those as you're dealing with housing and that type of thing, you know, and education.

I'm not gonna assume that.

I'm not I'm not gonna assume it, but the state report made a big of sacred or sacred history and the things that happened.

But how the and I'm not saying get rid of the category, but I'm saying as we're going through some of the short terms, take a look and say, hey, can we integrate some of this into this now?

Like physical and uh physical and mental health.

Can we integrate some of this into mental health?

Well, yeah, being able to understand yourself and being seen and that type of thing is part of mental health.

So part of the cultural portion can be integrated now.

So we can always move it in as things are coming through.

You're asking a lot for a dollar.

I'm not saying I'm not, but on the on the other side, when you say asking a lot for a dollar, when you have people who are living paycheck to paycheck in survival mode, they're not really thinking about the cultural thing, they're just trying to think about their next meeting.

So that's why I'm like, if we have it medium and we have the possibility to move it forward later, great.

But I think medium would be the place for me to have in my comfort level in having that.

Um Deborah can also be said that when you set up your commission, that um this is a priority within that commission.

So if that's being set up in the first year, um it our history then becomes one of the categories.

I must I must admit, I think if we you you would collapse it into that what's that three education, yeah.

Well, here's here's my thing on education.

I I would and I'm forgive me.

Because education, we have I know the library talked about it.

We have so little influence or resources there because the unified school districts in each city do their thing.

The county, yes, we have those educational opportunities, but I just feel like you just go to where the work is, and the county has just so little influence there.

We we really can't do curriculum.

We really can't do, you know, we can do some workforce development, but we have that in our economics.

So education just not a county, a place where county can have impact.

Okay, I mean we do have the county board of education, and they have what 13 sites that a lot of our kids go to get pushed into.

You know, so in those spaces, there is more influence around curriculum and some of those things.

It's not gonna be an OUSD or HUSC or the traditional school, but but again, if you look at what's happening to our kids, they're being pushed out of those school districts, and a lot of them are winding up in those county uh education spaces.

Right and well also if it's a good model it teams it seems to flow like we I was in a um I was working with Fairly Unified and we looked at Logan um New Haven as a model of how they did their um accelerated classes and their gate program to allow accelerated students and high achievers to join those classes the kids themselves created a peer group to help keep people up people thought that the GPAs would go down so when they moved portions of that in the Fremont unified school district they went model so if you model something in education other school districts will if it's successful other school districts will take a look at it.

So and I was gonna say also I know for Berkeley and Oakland they have you voting for the school so even the education piece is like hey you're 16 you can go out and vote to figure out who's gonna be teaching you so I mean that even a weave back inside um civics that's a civics yeah so right now we have so we have six seven eight I'm gonna toss nine in there as medium meter okay if others you know it could be long term through I guess so then that leaves long term by default is 10 11 12 political data archiving transparency which some of that will actually collapse up into the harms stuff if we went with those as opposed to taking arms down into data as soon as they got up but okay so are people six seven eight nine just medium and then 10 11 12 long term yeah I think we should just do like a last call type of thing because we didn't order with how we voted perfectly to how we laid it out right but if there's if anyone has a a strong feeling about any number that needs to be moved up right let's do it now and whatever hold our comments the report will come out you know so I will piggyback on what um Deborah said then and I would also ask that nine be moved up to in front candidates education six and nine should be together oh I see what you did there.

Yeah um we're collapsing but it's still medium term it's still medium term it won't be short term that's so you're rather for you're just combining some things together but it's still medium term yes anybody else have ideas on moving actually I think that should be as part of the report when you say a note when you talk about the report I think we should vote it that it is and then when they're writing report saying hey is it possible to put um six and nine together they're both short term and midterm can we find a way to weave them together six and nine together well okay so that would make sense so now we can just take care of this get this done and then you know as we're talking about writing the report does it would and ask the question would it make sense for six and nine to be you know you know happy together could they be a portions of each other and together you know why that sounds gonna pop in your head I sit next to you way too much for mind melding question to you dev is uh like you were you were kind of really advocating that this did be called out I mean so I just like to get the other side of that should it be put together or should it be called out as a standalone for all the reasons you explained earlier it would be called out but under education so then then you're right it makes the question will get very like in you that we put together that's exactly what I'm thinking that's buried the question.

I mean it's already a medium term it's already a medium term.

We take data out of the office the office the the reparation yeah well because that data recommended a permanent county department there's data in 11 though that's a separate one should it be an eight anything nine can be combined with uh three making it one of the directives like that outfits focuses on um cultural aspects of the black history of the county but that's when you get into the problem of if there's no office where we have oh that's why it was really buried so I as much as I agree with you I would say if we don't have the office because if you have the office it can drive all of these I want the office to be in housing and I I okay you know like the first five that office better be in those five months okay any other

But that's when you get into the problem of if there's no office, where we go that's why it was.

So I as much as I agree with you, I would say if we don't have the office, because if you have the office, it can drive all of these.

I want the office to be in housing and that I I okay, you know, like the first five, that office better be in those five.

Okay, any other anybody wanna then the 11, 12, you know.

I I guess I I'm gonna be very, very blunt.

Yeah, that I I do not see the value in sorting priority by topic area.

How do you think in the form most of us filled out priority in terms of high, medium, low, indicated what we thought the timeline was short-term, mean, medium term, long term for the things that are high priority and short-term doables?

And you know, there are things that we can do.

We can well, hypothetically, the county can do them in a short order of time, and we should do them, and it shouldn't matter what bucket it goes in.

Something that needs to be done and can be done quickly, it should just be done.

I don't I just I I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the the buckets and having that be the thing that determines what the priority is versus what the actual need is for the thing itself, irrespective of what topic it belongs to.

So give me an example then because it's our mandate is short medium long.

Okay, so short term, then you would say should go in the definition of short or not definition, what items should go into short short-term equity audits.

The county, each department should be, if it hasn't already, it should be auditing itself and determining you know what are its equity goals.

Is it falling short?

Is it is it ahead of schedule?

And if it's not so you're making the case for data to be short term.

I mean, it that there should be data already, and then if there isn't, why aren't they collecting it?

You know, yeah, I think you're making the case that 11 should be number through five.

That's not like that's not like a data thing.

That's information to make decisions, and we need to know what resources are being put in what places before we can ask the county to redirect those resources to go somewhere else.

I'm trying to pull apart and then put it back together, right?

So if we're so is that 9.31.

Well, he's yes, he's talking about, yeah, he's talking about the data and that you fundamentally need data to do the what they need to collect the data to do the work.

Yeah, it's not either or that they probably do have some data they do, they get and they have collected month, and they need to collect some more.

Having said that, can't that be like a preamble?

I think we've gone down this road, right?

Um, and I think we agree with these.

I think what you're saying, Chad is right, they need to do that.

They need to do a lot of this stuff.

Um, then let's say this is part, this is Bill's informing change that they need to make that statement prior to these county needs to collect the debt.

County's got some of this data.

It needs to collect some more data to even implement any of the short, long and medium and long.

I think that would solve the issue here.

Yes, I think.

That's the opening statement is you know, here these are our priorities.

Yeah, and the but to do this, what Chad said, we need to immediately begin collecting terming all the data and then everything else is the priorities that we were looking at.

So that makes sense.

Uh is that the question is how is the county using its resources?

How the county went on fluids using its resources.

How is it using its resources?

Right.

So there are different equity things that are happening, like the library has been very good about this, but not every department, not every agency has been good about that.

We need to know who's actually doing what, and so the people who are doing what they're supposed to be doing that are pushing the ball forward, they need to keep doing that, and they might need more resources to keep doing it.

So the arts, oh no, you're right, know who that is, and then sort of get them on the right track.

So there needs to be an assessment, yes.

And that's what we should say in the beginning.

That's that should be the opening statement.

It needs to also be listed here, so it moves forward with T.

Yeah.

I I think we can have the language of assessing so that we're not repeating or losing work that's already done.

Right.

So we've we're just I mean a preamble, sure.

We're giving introduction or what we're we're in fact saying the data and assessment has to go first.

Or help inform the data and the assessment will help inform.

So I guess to implement this plan, you have to make an assessment.

We've made an assessment though.

And in part the harm report that was given to us.

And why we even the commission is that we think there's there's some assessment been done, but then like Chad said, it's been done better some places than other places.

No one needs to do that.

Can we bring Evan from informing change in on that?

See if that makes sense.

Can you chime in, Evan?

Sure.

So what I think that I'm hearing, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that you well what you want to see in the report is some of some of a preamble in the ongoing statements out to say that here are the priorities that you have identified.

We have some you know the report catalogs some data related to those priorities, and there is more work that is needed in order to understand the full the full range.

Um what though is is the question that I have at the moment, you know, full range of data related to exactly what that is there a way you can put the paper all of what you just said because it worked, and then that would be a sort of clutch.

This is a classic thing that we do in the type of work we do to do this work.

The the first step is to make an assessment.

That's what he's saying, and that's true.

Where does the county stand as is on these different points, and that needs to be ongoing, and it is 6.5, okay.

Okay, okay.

Okay, yeah, this can be easy.

Okay, so do we have a slate, Larry?

Do you want to that you sort of sort that into we can get a vote?

I mean we didn't really make no adjustments besides maybe moving 11 out, but we're not moving 11 up.

So we're voting we're seeing.

We have a motion here for one through five.

Well you're saying the assessment is 6.5.

Yeah, I think the I think what I've heard Shah said is that these equity reports, which is listed under number eight at 6.5, should be a prere for all of this work.

The friendly the friendly amendment is to move that to the beginning.

No, not only should it be in the beginning, it's something that's ongoing, and then if you wait that could take 18 months, right?

And we need to deal with some of this stuff more immediately.

Yes, there's a way to do the assessment while you begin the implementation because we already have some data that shows that departments like the library is doing some stuff, well, other departments aren't.

So let's uh not wait 18 months to know something we already know, but some things we don't know.

But can we can we put that in a motion for me?

Let me ask this question.

I think the motion is 6.5 should be applied to every single section.

But the this the requirements is actually an assessment, it's it's an initial assessment, then it's an ongoing assessment.

Not yes, you want to assess the whole thing, but the whole act of doing assessing.

We're just saying here's the act of assessing and move it to the head of the line.

I think and then I'm a commissioner smalls.

You can add to it, but um the 6.5 is the lever or the tool.

Yeah, assessing the data.

Yeah, because once you assess and get the data, you know, a formal response can be made on action, right?

We need we know how bad something is, or how good it is, and in that within that audit, we understand how much money is being deployed either in the right way or the wrong way.

And so uh I mean, honestly, it should be number one.

But okay.

Isn't that what we're saying then?

So we have oh, the whole cluster or just that one?

It's sort of a standalone initial.

In my opinion, I'm not sure how you can.

Instead of um that's not if I'm understanding this correctly, and I think I am that the 6.5 is that we need to make like a countywide assessment on the equity term.

So, yes, and that's what should be the preamble.

That's what needs to be done first.

Okay, what also can happen is that you don't sit around for 18 months while some of this other stuff could be done, like figuring out where you are gonna put the department of uh some housing stuff that might be low hanging in.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, so I think we have it.

I think we have a motion.

That has a I don't know, preamble is a word you would use an assessment to assessment tool guidance that informs and then we go short-term, medium term, long term, yes.

I'm just think so right now.

I'm just trying to think that um something commissioner small said on one of the which was um just as a reminder, what can the county actually do immediately?

And I'm looking at eight and uh eight or six point five, but eight will the county be able to do a all of eight if it's if it's at the top of the list immediately if if we were to do it, the board of supervisors well no, yeah, number eight with the we were pulling up six point five.

You're saying six two, six three, six four, and six a question to my fellow commissioners.

Uh do you believe that number eight if directed the board of supervisors can do this?

Maybe maybe six point five, and then maybe six point two.

I don't know about if they could do six point three and six point four immediately.

Okay, yeah, we move right.

That's gonna be a lot of work.

They're generating a formal harms report.

Don't we already have reported?

Yeah, I think all I think.

I mean, if we move it, I think what commissioner Gardner is saying if like two things could happen at the same time, we don't have to make it stop our flow just because they're doing a work on the assessment.

Do we are we already have a harms report?

What city voak land?

Yeah, just 14 other cities.

Oh, you don't have a county harms report, yeah.

Thank you.

Okay, got it.

It took three years to get that one city, so and two of them was sitting on the council legal council's office.

Well, you have to do them at the same time.

Okay, too.

Is that a motion then with the the assessment the initial initializing assessment and then one through five is short terms?

Six through nine is medium, and then five uh so uh does eleven still exist the nine two data and nine three that move to the assessment or I was gonna second that.

We moved it to the assessing oh, I think the sample section did the whole section or just or concept of successing and data.

I should I think you can need it completely before you guys make the motion.

I just wanted to be clear so I can get it.

You guys are we don't have a motion yet.

Okay, you don't have an option.

You don't have a motion.

So okay, so are we moving 11?

Or is it where it is?

Because I think six point in eight, six point five require equity reports or assessment.

That's up first.

I think the other ones can remain where they are not saying it's perfect.

But at least it's still in there.

I think we have something.

I think it failed for lack of second or okay, about so we're moving 6.5 to 6.2.

Sorry.

No, it was eight, it's driving me crazy.

6.5, which is requiring the reports.

That's going to be a preamble.

Part of opening statement, however, we want to say it.

And then one through five are short term.

We'll work on it right away.

Six through nine.

Nine are medium.

Yes.

1112 are long term.

Okay.

That's the oh, okay.

So I thought he wanted to include 6.2 as well.

Yes, at the top.

No, no, no.

Permanent hosting of the reparation report.

That's whatever we create.

Needs a hold.

You think that's board will be.

I don't think that needs to be part of it.

No, not 6.2.

Because it takes too long, right?

Right.

They host they host it.

Don't say that.

No, you do.

Okay.

Okay.

So the motion.

We have a motion on the floor.

Well, we're waiting for Shad to get back.

No, we have eight.

Oh.

Okay.

The motion is later.

I thought Commissioner Satan made a motion.

I did not make the motion.

He was just clarifying the motion.

Clarifying the I don't know.

I don't know.

I can definitely make the motion.

I just want to double check one.

Six.

Yeah.

So 6.5 at the top.

Yes.

Then it's one through five for short term.

And medium is six point uh six through nine.

And then long term is ten through twelve.

Yes.

Got it.

Spectfully request we wait for Shed.

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I'm not making a motion.

Yeah, any other any other discussion?

Because we keep having questions and okay.

Let's restate the motion.

So we're all clear.

Anyone colorblind?

Oh Shad's gonna do some artwork though.

Yeah, we're gonna see that one over there.

We can move these, right?

Oh yeah, but we can look at the screen.

I don't need to uh that one's not gonna move as far.

Yeah, camera's in the way.

No, that's fine right there.

Yeah, we can see it on a camera.

Unless you want to do that one if you move that one down.

Okay, so let me just preface this by saying I literally did not sleep.

Um I was looking at the combined the spreadsheets into a data file.

I put in an R.

It's some text analysis because that's the kind of person that I am, and so one first thing is that multiple as you as you correctly noted, multiple recommendations can be combined.

The second thing is that the buckets that we have them in are probably not the best bucket to put them in.

I think the best way to think about the recommendations is what we uh we want the county to do versus why we want the county to do it.

Okay, okay.

So the biggest thing right is direct restitution now.

The whys are kind of disaggregated.

There's property, people who got their homes taken, Russell City.

There's property, people who got their homes taken, Russell City, West Oakland.

Um people who were unlawfully prosecuted, convicted, imprisoned.

Um those those things came up repeatedly across recommendations.

Um that I'm forgetting.

Yeah, did sleep, sorry.

Um the other thing, right?

Is it so in terms of transparency that came up with multiple recommendations that there needs to be, I I think that was one of yours that the portal is old, outdated, not user-friendly.

Um, and so we need it bay for the public to see, but then also inform what we're doing, right?

People are already doing things that are in line with what we would want them to do, we need to know they're doing it, and then help them do it or stay out of the way.

Archives, these things are kind of related, but they're a little bit different.

But like storing our stories, preserving our culture, you know.

So there's already like three pretty big buckets, but those are like generally things, and then the allocation, right?

So shifting funds from particular departments into somewhere else.

Um, I know that like in the youth, right?

That there's things that we're funding incarceration, he's saying that we can redirect that money to somewhere else.

Um that's kind of different from restitution.

Restitution is like outlay to people who have been directly harmed.

Reallocation is a river of money, we're just sending it somewhere else.

Right.

I think these are like the big the big buckets in terms of like what I saw again when I did not sleep.

Um and then oversight, right?

So that means new department, um, multiple recommendations for some kind of obvious meeting.

I mean more robust oversight of the different parts of the county government and what they're doing, or um I think that this is how I think is like the most effective way to think of the recommendation.

So I'm like, I'm really I'm not really feeling like the buckets based on the topic areas, because I think that makes it easy to sort of shuffle culture to the bottom, shuffle use to the bottom because we're doing it wrong topic areas versus like what does the county need to do?

What's the mechanism for getting it done?

That's that this is where I'm at.

It's fine if no one else is there.

I just gotta just so as a narrative in the beginning, if you were talking, and this is how you're going to propose the speech, saying these are everything that we need to take care of.

This is how it needs to go.

But for someone to say, what's my work plan?

That's where the buckets would go.

Are they perfect?

No, but that's a beautiful start for frame for a narrative to say this is where we are.

Here are the areas that we have to do.

Now, these might not be perfect, but if we can incorporate, say this is everything, this is what we want, and then start incorporating or combining however we have to, then we have something.

But that is the great framework for the narrative to begin to bring to bring to the supervisors the buckets, however, they end up being there.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, space, access to physical space, so like opportunities of Shed, what do you think about what brought Brian Brandon just said?

Yes.

So I think I think then that this kind of gets us to sort of thinking about the short-term long term.

Like the restitution, right?

That could be your your question about sort of how long does it take to get it done overall versus like how long does it take to work.

And so, like the first thing we should be doing is like figuring out who is eligible.

So, like someone who lost their home, like the assessor's office will have records of property going back however many years, and so we need to be able to find out who is eligible and then sort of what they're owed based on sort of what the names right also with that that also gives you the um the argument for the department, because in order to cover all of this with the narrative, we need a place for this to start.

But also with that, that also gives you the um the argument for the department, because in order to cover all of this with the narrative, we need a place for this to start.

So based on how we were mandated.

No, see, I don't I don't I don't think it's either or I think I well, I think that could be I think what we prioritize for these buckets stand, but then when you go to the first bucket or the second bucket, they have to do that.

That details every bucket.

That it's exactly right.

I would agree because there is a motion on the floor, so I will say, like, why don't we take Shad's idea and do what Dr.

Gardner and Brandon just said, which is that that is the second framework we put in a buckets that we already have separated into 12 different you know, places.

These are the buckets, and each one needs to have this as the framework to create them and a narrative overall saying every one of these buckets needs to address each one of those.

And it does.

And then we're still on track here, so we don't have to go off the narrative and the framework for each requirement.

I love how your brain thinks.

Yeah, so can I can I so here this is I love the analysis and I'm sure it maps because you and that kind of thing to say, like as soon as you did the whole thing for the state, I immediately matrix that with the UN principles.

I I'm struggling with why just restitution.

Where's and you know, restitution cost compensation you can put in one, but where is satisfaction?

Where is non-repetition, where and if we're gonna take the principles, it would be hard for me to stand in a room and say I only took one of the five UN principles.

The second piece is I I the categories, while not perfect, map to the state report, which and you know better than uh both, that is considered like the preeminent document, both nationally and internationally.

And so to be able to align that we built on this state document shows that we took in all of the information.

So I I uh I I think this helps us organize how to do this, but I think if we abandon this and don't speak to the other principles of the UN, we've got a lot of explaining the data.

We we shouldn't have, I don't think so.

No, no, I'm just saying in the framework as a framework.

I'm trying, I'm just I'm just I'm not debating, I'm just sharing my perspective on it.

I'm just trying to suggest that we don't get rid of this at all.

I don't think we're suggesting that.

But also within the framework of the other areas where you're talking about the points of the UN, that can be a portion of the report.

So if this is the framework with this address, this part of the framework addresses the uh the the rest of the areas.

If you're saying incorporate the rest of the UN principles, right?

Right.

So health, yes, you get the data and the archive, but it is one that has to do with the most on satisfaction, right?

That that you can't just be made whole or transform without the the satisfaction and the non-repetition pieces.

But as you're going through the health of the year, when you're talking about that, that can be that can be a portion of where you're dealing with where you're dealing with health, you know, as you say physical and mental health.

Great, we're gonna go through all of that.

And here um in establishment of community-based trauma, this, this everything that's here, that can be written into that portion.

I don't understand that narrative mapping that mapping to the five principles to the categories, like is a is a comprehensive assessment.

I understand.

So I just I'm trying to, I'm trying to marry all the pieces.

I'm trying to braid me.

The braid, I'm trying to braid braid.

I'm not trying to marry.

I'm trying to braid um some of those UN principles and appreciate you changed direct payment.

Um, but I do feel like that's foundational to if we're gonna start talking about how to write the report.

I wouldn't I would say write the report on the UN principles using this, using gotta have the data, gotta have the archive.

The reallocation is different for sure than a direct payment because that's Alan's whole theory.

Alan's whole theory is stop what we put to put a young person in jail.

We use all that money redirect it.

That's right.

To invest in their education.

So his whole he he's amen.

That reallocation for sure.

That's his full omnibus.

So I'm I'm just trying to do the the braiding of pass the motion and then a separate motion to figure out how to weave it in.

I mean again, just to be very clear.

This is based on me spending a lot of time with our recommendations.

This isn't just like off the dome.

No, no, and I and and what I'm thinking is because the report's going to be written, and the report is going to be following those guidelines.

Yeah, we can give it that to them.

This portion of it determines how each one of these is run, and we could add the the determinations for satisfaction and the other things in there.

This is not what do we think about two motions in the motion we have on the floor with this.

I think this is a second motion.

That would be fine.

And then I'm willing I'm willing to do either one of them.

Um if it's a second motion feels better for you, that's fine.

Yeah.

I mean, to me, they already connect.

Um, I'm already clear on this and how this is used.

But I think for the sake of our discussion this evening, let's vote with the first vote.

Come on, so I'm gonna vote on this one.

So we're you made the motion.

Was it seconded?

Or you have seconded it?

Okay, so we have a motion and a second.

Do you have do you know how it was Frank for the uh this for this document and the short medium line?

Yes, and we can give you the section numbers too.

Um Commissioner Bazille.

Commissioner Barry.

Aye, Commissioner Gardner, I Commissioner Gore, aye, Commissioner Johnson, aye, commissioner McClendon, aye, commissioner Stass.

Commissioner Small, same commissioner Varland, hi.

Motion passed.

Okay, so you want to make the second motion or make a new motion.

What would that so your second motion?

Because I know you abstain from this.

Yeah, you abstain from this, but this established uh the short, medium, long term.

Okay, we agreed that your second motion will establish a foundation to make sure that this is framed this way.

Okay, so they they're both.

That's how we're thinking about it.

Exactly.

So that's how we would do it.

That makes sense.

But you could eat it replaces this other, it supplements it.

Your this second motion that you feel would help.

Yeah, your second motion would establish the foundation for each section that we just agreed to based on this framework, based on the framework we wrote on the wiper one.

Okay, framework and foundation of the priorities of the the framework and foundation of the reclamation recommendations that were prioritized is this applies.

So every short would have the restitution, the data, the reallocation, the oversight built into every single one of the sections.

That's that's the motion we're gonna do.

That's what we're interpreting.

Yeah, that's how we interpret it.

Um we're not trying to speak for you.

Yeah, yeah.

You can make that your own.

That's how we had um thought of combining the both to make sure that we don't lose anything that you wrote up here.

So I mean, the way that I'm thinking about this is like basically what seemed to be sort of main buckets for what people are actually recommending that the county work on, and the thing, yeah, that I didn't add was health, um, and then sort of kind of a more nebulous kind of thing, but like basically we'd like maybe get one because there's some stuff around to be more restorative practices of herbing more aggressive bias policing, right?

Uh that doesn't meet fit neatly into these buckets, but in terms of things that I kept seeing sort of across recommendations and that weren't necessarily in the same sort of like subject area, you know, like something could be in like in the data bucket, but then also I would see something like it, you know.

That these were sort of like the overarching things of like what people what we sort of were recommending that they sound work on.

Absolutely, yeah.

So what we're what we're saying, Shed is that when we take up the question of education, let's say we would take it up the way you put it on the board.

You're right.

And yeah, water.

same sort of like subject area you know like something could be in like in the data bucket but then also I would see something like in bucket you know that these were sort of like the overarching things of like what people what we sort of were recommended that they sound work on absolutely yeah so what we're what we're saying Chad is that when we take up the question of education let's say we would take it up the way you put it on the board yeah and yeah water no that's exactly right I need some water um in the so we take the category of education we would go through it this way yep that's that's what we're that's what we would like to say we would like to vote on is that something you would like to vote on okay let me yeah let me add health slash wellness because that's yeah and I think and if you have this written down somewhere already share it with us that would be great I don't know if you want my uh table of similarity scores between documents no we definitely need it yeah we definitely need it because the goal is we're using we're using this as a framework for implementation of each of these sections right so and we're going to be in as they get rolled out this is how the county should be delivering the information information probably appreciate right because we have these buckets and now it makes it clear for them to deliver even if it's short term medium or long or long term it needs to be delivered in this format and that's and that's the action behind that combines the action behind what we've identified with it and it makes perfect sense so if you take economic opportunity direct payment are we giving people money to start businesses what's the data is it going to help public here the archive is there history of doing this we can create the history this is health culture are we reallocating money or is this new money is there oversight of this whole area here um is there enough that we need is there space to put them in for that does it help communal health and wellness and all of this all of that hits every single one of these buckets in every way and if it doesn't you go okay that's not applicable to the specific one but as long as you're following the foundation and framework that would give us the idea and the accountability and the ability to see an oversight and measurable quantifiable information for each of these is that is that a motion about the teeth that sounds yeah you wrote the teeth but you you have to make the motion like impassioned speech or dance no no no no can someone else can make the motion I mean I would like we would like I would like Shad to make the motion but Brandon just made the motion that's we got a second that was the he said do you need help or did you get what I see she got it these were we think completely differently but it's so funny we didn't vote.

No more discussion yeah any other stuff Commissioner Bazil Commissioner Barry Commissioner Gardner Commissioner Gore staying commissioner Johnson aye commissioner mclendon aye commissioner sand commissioner small commissioner verna motion passion uh can we just read the first one for Shed's uh benefit please the first motion or the first motion that pass well the first one but we'll be in the minutes yeah but I just you know okay I came in late so I just want to Commissioner McClendon motion yes ma'am oh the motion was to accept the um the priorities here with the uh one through five I'm sorry yeah one through five short term six through nine medium ten through twelve long term and then move six point five from number eight to the preamble with that was the first exactly exactly next okay thank you okay so okay so we got the priorities we've got a framework so the next big item action item is on the feedback event um that commissioners the hope is that we you know go to the feedback session saturday and that each whoever wants to volunteer would present one of these well currently there are no RSVPs for the feedback session it's also on no king's day it's also in the middle of no king right so there are no there are I would talk to Sean and there are no RS yeah we we we have two RSV platforms because we can't get to the website quick enough so there's another um we can look up we're using then talk to Mike can I can I can I speak about that when I spoke to Michael about two or three hours ago there were 50 there are 50 yeah let me let me let me just say um while like while I think it's very important that we do exactly the feedback sessions I'm not convinced that we should do it on the same day of the no kings um thing going on nationwide and all throughout the Bay Area in fact I think black folks should be involved in that um it's unfortunate

When I spoke to Michael about two or three hours ago, there were 50.

There are 50.

Yeah.

Let me let me let me just say um while like while I think it's very important that we do exactly the feedback sessions.

I'm not convinced that we should do it on the same day of the No Kings um thing going on nationwide and all throughout the Bay Area.

In fact, I think black folks should be involved in that.

Um it's unfortunate that we've done we've we've set him up together, and I don't I think what we need to do that what you're suggesting is good.

I'm gonna go to the No Kings Day.

I think it's very important for black people to be to be present given the ask for the network case.

What about going after?

It will be over after.

I mean, and then it depends on and it depends on where you go.

There's nine different things taking place in the so and if folks wanna, I'm just telling you, I want to encourage us to push back as hard as we can about the government that we currently have.

That also means doing the work that we do around reparations in the midst of all of this.

Um he's already gotten rid of DEI and everything else, and we're saying we we got a plan to um, so I'm still down for that.

But um, I know what they did where I live um last time in Hercules is that there was a huge rally that blocked San Pablo.

Um, and it went on you were there.

Um went on wow.

Um it was great.

Um I couldn't, I couldn't even get down here if I wanted to.

So um I yeah, if you've already got 50 people, then you know, maybe you should.

But um I I want to encourage as many of you who have the ability to take a stand against this madman and his mad politics.

I mean, this was even set up before he launched the war, you know.

I I agree with you on this because more important.

We're not gonna get any reparations if we don't have a government, and uh this man is seriously setting us up or uh challenging uh he's bringing up the 2020 election and the unfairness of it.

Nobody's really paying attention to the fact that oh, he's just crazy.

No, he's not.

He is setting us up.

He went and got that man in Venezuela for what reason to make a deal with him.

He and his wife are going to get a pardon if he comes out and verifies that the Venezuelan people down here who jocking around with the machines did that and made the uh elections unfair.

Now we're not saying it is a proven fact, but the fact is that he's got it on the national table as a way to delay or somehow be certified at 2020 uh look at what the Supreme Court did today.

Yeah, well, I'm saying is that that's what he's setting this up for to put it on the court ladder.

So don't think that he's not one of the smartest politicians that has ever come along in terms of his ability to set up these issues and to cause delays, and so I think that we will be in the street when that happens in big numbers, and why wait to then to let the world know that we are aware that this man is trying to do this, he's gonna do it anyway.

He's gonna do it and no, no, he's he's going to make them make the the legal move to get it on the on the court ladder.

Oh no, it's on the court.

I don't know if you saw what happened today in the Supreme Court where the the Mississippi law um that you could count votes after the time they didn't see that.

No, yeah, no, they've already so and then Alito's these people it's going down right now, folks.

Anyway, I'm sorry.

Yeah, can I say one last thing?

Is that we get no reparations.

I've been sitting on this issue for 50 years, so I know I'm prepared to go another 50 years before the American people address this just as a moral issue, but on the moral issue side, my mind is still stuck in Durban.

The fact that the only forum that we're gonna be able to get this issue resolved, not in the Congress of the United States, but well, Malcolm told us we should be going in the first place to the United Nations.

So to the extent that everything that we do feeds into our state effort, our state effort into our national effort, our national effort, then reverberates in the international forum.

This is all very important, which is why I was saying Alameda County is essential.

What we're doing here in California, because California is essential to the national and the national thing is essential to what is happening internationally.

And we're not going to get a moral verdict out of this unless it comes from as broad a spectrum as we possibly can.

So the only thing the only thing I'll just chime in and say is remember we're doing this to get the feedback.

So Michael and his team can't finish the report in time.

But that's my only issue.

We're moving it from out of town.

Okay.

Of course.

So I I too uh like the whole, you know, the whole thing is to get a report in to put a marker down.

Yeah.

Right.

We need a we need a flag.

So we're gonna put our flag down.

And we can we can have a virtual, a couple of virtual sessions for feedback.

So we can convert what we're doing, especially we can learn from the Saturday event.

And um then continue to get feedback, but we we have got to tell the community that we gave them a chance to look at our and I agree with that.

And we don't have the opportunity to delay.

We have we have delayed, like we this we thought we were gonna do feedback in January.

And but but we're not so well, we're saying if we don't do it Saturday, or if you don't do it Saturday, then you could do it the next Saturday.

Well, that would be delaying.

So if you remember the timeline we voted, then then go ahead and do that.

So we'll be in person and let's do the other school so that we can continue to gather community feedback, and then we can give that to the forming change.

At least the community can give us feedback and we can get the report done.

We just gotta get the we got to finish that part of it.

Yeah, so so um so that having been said, um, I've been to every three's rallies.

Um and I think there is a population, like I was talking to uh uh L SPC folks, they really want to come to the feedback.

I was talking to ART, which is the alliance um, and they want to come.

They're not against the no kings rally, they just are prioritizing this reparations, is the way they felt they can advocate for that community.

I think there is, you know, I think we're segmenting the population.

Um, and we you know we go forward with hearing the feedback and then you should go, you should go ahead with it.

Yeah, and and then if so, but the motion was the second um agenda item was if you have interest in presenting one of these elements because we're gonna present it to the community.

Um I was gonna call a vote to see who would volunteer to do that so that we could get maybe I have some comments as well.

Do the vote first, and then I have comments about so maybe you should have what about structure first, but yeah, yeah, and it's just actually available in that's why I wanted to call the vote.

So the two okay.

Oh no, the Jennifer meetings.

So yeah, so it's also yeah.

So uh what time is it gonna be?

Which day Saturday Saturday.

Because then I wouldn't I just have to figure out if I'm gonna do the thing in Hercules.

I mean, if it happens like it did last time, I won't even be able to get that.

Um you so it wasn't it in the morning last time at Hercules, like 11 to 1 or something, 11.

See, that's what it was.

It was like um, no, it was like 10 to 2.

It was all day.

You know where I live, they were diverted traffic all all the way up my street.

I mean, I didn't realize it was that long out of here to get together.

Um so I wanted to participate.

I'm not, I'm not sure I can get down here.

I I would love to do the feedback session.

I'm just not gonna joke stuff and hopefully I can do it.

Is it crazy to try to?

I'm just throwing it out here to live stream it, or is it too expensive and crazy?

Live stream thing, no kinks the feedback session.

I I don't know how did we ask them if they're even because you have to have a two-way, you know, where people can weigh in and breakout rooms to be able to yeah, you gotta run it like a zoom zoom's chat rooms and all that for what we're doing.

I I don't know how did we ask them if they're even because you have to have a two-way, you know, where people can weigh in and breakout rooms to be able to run it like a zoom zooms chat rooms and all that you still run into the issue of people going to the no be on virtually if they're going to be able to do that.

Yeah, it's the same thing.

Just start just running.

Well, they do have something called Steam Yard, I think that will do it for you, but I don't know how it works.

Steam Yard, it's like a live stream and yeah, I know how to work that, but um, but attendance is still the same.

If you're the same, if we can't, you're gonna be distracted.

You're not gonna be in.

So the other thing I just wanted to get some input on this.

I was listening to you all with the um uh short term, medium term, and long term, and I wanted your input on this.

I think it's really important that not only so let me let me talk about the original vision and then this modification.

The original vision was that we'd have red, uh yellow, and green, you know, those dots, right?

That everybody would get, you know, whatever, 10 or 20, we figured out the number.

And the red is uh the green is you agree with the recommendation, the red is you disagree, and we could the yellow if we want to use it is neutral.

Okay.

They'd also have post-it notes to write comments, but you all spent so much time and necessarily so on the time frame because that's equally important, right?

Short term, medium term, long term.

So I found these stickers on Amazon the same size as the dots that have one, two, three, right?

So one is short term, two is medium, three is long.

I think we need to give those to them as well, you know, so we can get the community's input on the time frame in addition to the weighted ranking.

Does any anybody I don't know, I don't necessarily know about that, and uh I can be swayed otherwise, but I think that um the general public hasn't spent as much time with these categories and may not fully understand the how much time it could take.

And what I mean by that is we have taken a lot of time to understand the county's functionality their capabilities and functions, and that's how we kind of divide it the time.

But I can see how it can be valuable for someone to see something and say, I need this now, right?

And documenting that.

So I'm I see both ends.

Um, but I wouldn't so would with the uh communities or public's feedback using the stickers sway our now motion.

That's the other question.

Like we already made a motion, so would we be seen as going against communities' desires if they are in a different place than we are?

Well now that could be the same thing with the waiting, right?

With the dots.

Because they could put a whole bunch of dots on number set eight that they think is the top, you know, it's a it's a number one priority for them.

So many people give that a green, and two, uh, and I'm just throwing numbers out of here, dots on you know what you all thought was a priority.

Um, so we could get the it's the same thing, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So here's a visual.

So, you know, the category, what we have provided, you know, what we said at harms, what are the action steps?

So there's the post that said Tracy's talking about, and then the voting, Tracy.

So here's the point.

There's the voting of I agree, I disagree, I'm neutral, but there's also the voting of short-term, long-term media.

That's what we we had said red was urgent next phase, but we could now align the language, and then you just make another spot that says it.

Well, isn't that the same?

If I'm saying urgent now, isn't that saying I'm agreeing with it?

Why do I need agree neutral disagree if I'm gonna say low priority next phase do it now?

Well, it may not mean it's I know we're parsing this, but you know, we gotta get in size people's heads, right?

It may not mean that it's a low just because the time frame is long term.

See, like it depends on how they define it or how we define it in the front of the room.

Just because it's a long-term priority, does not mean it's not uh their top priority.

So that's why it was like is this urgent?

Do you think this is urgent?

Do you think it's next phase?

Um, so okay.

So she's proposing changing that uh actually creating two, maybe creating two categories though.

Right.

One is where would you low medium high?

And the other is short-term ready for long term.

We could just put an extra rectangle.

We can put another rectangle.

The question, yeah, however, we do it.

The question is, do you want the community to weigh in on the time frame as well?

Or just the weighting of the priority.

That's what I thought.

And just to say how to address if the we have voted one way and the community does vote another way.

The information that we're using is from the original sessions.

And then after feedback, there was maybe a you know a change in some of the output.

So you don't have to say either or it's like this is where the community is.

You know, this is where the community knows doing the the original, and this is after the feedback.

So we're gonna have to chew it up anyway.

Yeah, both are valid.

But statistically, the likelihood that you're gonna have that wide of a divergence.

Because you did such a good job capturing the verbatim data what they were saying, and then the survey data.

I I'd be shocked.

Okay, so if so the action is is there anybody currently as a commissioner who would like to participate in the um feedback session on Saturday.

I think it's just me and D.

And D and Leo.

Leo, you can come.

Yeah, okay.

I think Jennifer's needs know the location.

Yeah, 23 23 Broadway.

Across from the YMCA.

Oh, stop the downtown.

Oh, uh, somebody put it in my yeah, yeah, I'll send you a calendar in by but then we have to ask the people who aren't here.

So I Jennifer, I think, said she could um say today we did, Jay.

So if you need to have or reach out to them.

Okay.

We might have four, and not because you can't really facilitate a group.

So that's fine.

No, uh, do you want to have to facilitate it?

There's no way facilitating is guiding.

She has guiding the paper.

Not facilitating them.

Yeah, the facilitation part is not so much the thing, it's just who's going to present what recommendations.

But if we have four people, we can figure out we know we're gonna have it.

But so, but we won't expect you all to facilitate because we're gonna sort of let them community do that.

But it's just guiding them through time and urgency.

That up front, right?

And then we're saying at the breakout tables, right?

And we'll float.

Oh, we can do flow.

Yeah, we can float.

Yeah, they can pick you know the person they want to be their note taker and structure be clear, and then we should talk about a virtual now.

Now figure out not now, but but we can do that.

What the virtual didn't you all have?

Didn't listening subcommittee say you guys were gonna do a virtual?

You for the last last week.

Uh last week you guys voted the the virtual listening session.

Deb was recommended that uh virtual feedback, exactly.

But we didn't pick a date though, right?

It's really I'm not my arms on it.

We'll talk about tomorrow in listening sessions.

Okay, because then we can also supplement if we need once because virtual we can do anytime.

And the cop the library has the Zoom room capability and all of it.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

All right.

Congratulations.

Hi here, Tavia.

See you guys later.

Thank you.

We'll talk tomorrow.

Yeah, Deborah, if you can send me the poster information, I need to get that to the printer.

Yeah, yeah.

I know.

Deborah, are you gonna um join the um listening session thing tomorrow?

Um yeah, I will.

I will.

Thank you.

Yep, and I'll be there on Saturday too.

So I need it all in my way.

Okay.

All right, Deborah.

Oh god, do we need to do a walkthrough?

Yeah, let me reach out to Jennifer.

Yeah, I'm all right.

No, no, we're gonna showcase on for meeting.