Welcome everybody.

So I apologize for the long meeting last month, but this should be a lot shorter this month.

Not that that makes up for it.

Sorry.

Yeah, sorted.

Okay.

Should we do roll call?

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Vice Chair Harrison.

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Yeah, Benjamin has said that he is in Oregon on work this week.

So census apologies for not being here.

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Moving along.

So the first one is Sergeant Edwards.

He's deputy again.

Deputy.

Sorry, I've done that twice now.

Everybody puts that on me.

I don't want to respond to Billy.

Going over, was here last month and uh spilling it for Sergeant Franklin.

Apologizes for not being here.

If you would have saw him when we handed off, he went home sick uh a little early and he looks about pale as his paper and he's uh uh Mexican.

So it's not right code.

So all right, um for uh month of review, 120 or 112 calls for service out to the Samoa area.

I'm starting to find out that there's uh I remember last time we were trying to figure out the reporting for sites and stuff.

There's a switch over there that covered it for our system and reports to Castro Valley somewhere down the canyon.

So we do a lot of uh around 5500.

We do a lot of uh stops there.

So I think they're showing up on somebody else's radar.

So uh I was trying to find out why it looked low.

Uh 20 sites were done in Synol, and then the uh infamous arson arrest down Kilkara Road.

Um is is you guys all know from what I understand, there was a subject down there at I have a time on this sheet.

Uh is somewhere in the middle of the night, his arrest time was five five o'clock, but uh he was barricading or blocking off the road with uh rocks from the surrounding area, and then have a little campfire set up.

But the uh no telling what was wrong with them in the head.

Um deputies arrested him for the arson and hauled him off the Santa Rita, and the next day he was uh uh charged with assaulting three deputies in the jail.

So uh the guy was not right in the head, naturally, you don't start fires in the middle of the road.

But uh one thing Sarn Franco wanted to put out is the concern to let citizens know if it doesn't look right, call us emergency line, non-emergency line, but report it because uh we later found out a little more information from people that were passing by.

He was uh you know, as you care uh uh residents were were passing by.

The people were stopping, hey, are you okay?

Is everything wrong?

You guys know who belongs here who doesn't.

That car obviously uh isn't familiar, but he was waving on the guys.

No, I'm just uh taking a break, trying to, you know, whatever, and then stopping and trying to get the females to take him to go get gas.

That's a big red flag.

Okay, anytime somebody's trying to lure you into something.

So that that probably should have made the uh multiple calls because there's sound like there's at least four or five people that drove by during that time.

Uh the car would still be in there in the morning.

Um, sort of confusion of why I didn't get towed.

I came out later in the day and towed it for Sergeant Franco uh for his order and got rid of it and it's in car jail.

Uh so he was trying to get his, like he's out of, I don't know if he's out of custody.

Uh someone said he was trying to get his car, but I don't know how you'd do that.

If he assaulted deputies, he's gonna get held until unless uh the the DA let him off.

So uh other than that, we're trying to bump up our uh our presence here during school drop and pick up hours uh because the commuters are are flying through here.

I've seen that myself now that I've been here for a minute, uh trying to take a personal project.

Um, our other half of the week or this side of the week, um, end of the week, I guess, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, our motor guys went off to the um unity police unity tour off in New York on the East Coast so they weren't here at presence uh we do ask that if we're gonna get all the commuters for violating the traffic codes and stuff that we get the locals to adhere to the rules itself because I notice uh when I get a license and it says kill care or you know somewhere here in Snow I'm like hey gotta do this the big one here is right there at Bond Street and main where people are just rolling the commuters are trying to jump over to 84 and they uh are rolling right to that stop sign and the crosswalk with kids in it so I just gave somebody a hearty fine uh the other day for being on the cell phone roll for the stop sign during school hours that's probably pretty costly so other than that um when I left here last time uh I I rushed over to Hoopman Koopman Goodman the ranch there uh two of the ranch workers the teenagers uh had a uh trespasser detained at gunpoint legally owned and carried uh firearm uh they were getting off work notice the guy rocking out of the barn their barn uh with a backpack and uh as soon as they try to contact him he started ditching his wallet and keys and stuff trying to make a beeline to the highway and uh they detained him with a lasso and I know I haven't told you last time I'm from uh the Central Valley so I grew up on farms and ranches to see somebody hog tied basically with a lasso made my day so that's my go home um but uh that guy was um he had a bunch of burk tools he was arrested for work tools he had a 1.23 grams of meth on him um he was probably under the influence I don't know if they did FSTs and pipe and the car he had was expired rich like three years.

So he was up to no good probably trying to they've had a few break ins up there and um those kids caught him and probably saved some uh probably some RNF that's all we have thinking the news talk a little bit about when we should call 911 versus the business line because when that guy was stopping traffic in the afternoon people weren't sure whether to call 911 or the business line.

So like uh anytime you see someone violating loss rights someone's gonna get hurt always emergency uh whatever if you're uncertain 911 they're not gonna the fault you want it uh unless you're calling to discuss the weather or something like we get some people out in San Leandro they just want to talk to the operators at all so we have to put blocks on them but uh it went in doubt called the 911 emergency line uh and if it's like if it's a suspicious car where the guy's sitting there you know it up along but you can't really say hey he's lighting fires or he's he's trying to stop and talk to kids something weird um then uh just non-emergency so they're not gonna get in trouble unless it's uh you know the dog's neighbor's dogs parking or something and call 911 for that is probably not the right time so if they call the business line can they be transferred over to 911 or would they sometimes it's told to well the business line goes directly to getting us here emergency 911 goes like local so your phone it'll go to the the CHP's uh operations or whatever then it gets to us so it's sometimes it's quicker to call us directly so any other questions questions thank you very much that was entertaining let's try to keep it live that's great you guys have a good one for the fire protection cool so I invited Jeff to talk about the uh inspection form the LE 100 um the only other speaker after you before we would get back to you would be the council staff comments so we could can you wait till after rosemary does her thing on fire safety fine um is uh I just lost her name and Bonnie is Bonnie on today or she said she wouldn't try I don't see her there I have her numbers because she wasn't so I don't have her numbers so if you want me to go now I can go um sure let me just read what she wrote um I'll try to log on tonight, but in case it's a problem and I cannot connect, I wanted to make sure you got the numbers.

There were 25 total calls for service.

This is Alameda County fire forty eight percent were EMS, 16% were fires, and um 36 were UTL.

Unable to locate.

Unable to locate.

Fires included vehicles and outside debris on fire like clothes.

So I don't know if that fire, it was probably the same guy, probably the same guy in the street on Kill Care Road that he sheriff was just talking about.

Okay.

Well, in Chief Jeff Nichols with Calfire Santa Clara Unit Alameda County.

So Calfire or our unit, Calfire Statewide is at peak staffing.

In our unit, we have 16 engines, two dozers.

The third one will be coming online in June 8th, because we have a couple guys in the academy.

So right now we can only staff two.

We have four hand crews.

And this is within the county.

We've completed 108 so far.

Kill care, the LE 100s will start in a couple of weeks, and it's going to be done by the DSIs.

I also brought a DSI defensible space inspector to go over the form, since he uses it uses it every day.

So Brandon Doe will be here, is here to speak on the LE 100s, and I can help them out when needed.

If anybody has any questions.

So I guess a question came up in the community.

Someone of renewing their home insurance, and they said they would get a discount if they lived in a firewise community.

So I'm here to talk about firewise community.

In fact, I handed out a one-sheet information, and this I wrote last year.

So I just revised it.

Some of the links were incorrect where they had changed.

What is Firewise?

It's a program administered by the National Fire Protection Association in conjunction with Calfire, a lot of our fire agencies.

It's voluntary, it's homeowners getting together.

So I guess I sh I didn't pursue it because there's a long there's a process to becoming a firewise community.

Um before I get into that, I'll talk about the benefits, and one of the benefits was already discussed.

It does have the uh insurance companies are now looking at firewise communities as those communities who have taken extra steps to ensure that they're firewise, that if there's a fire, it's less likely to affect them.

So, but in order to get that designation, you have to do it's not like you call up an acid designation, you have to do something, and you have to maintain the uh the status of your house.

Uh so the process is um, I guess it's the first step is to organize.

So fire-wise communities can be the whole community, it could be thousand houses.

We could have one big Sunnol fire-wise community.

That would not be too smart because Kill Care houses on Killcar Road are going to be preparing a lot differently than the ranches on Andrade.

So we have different areas of Sunnol that should be gathered together.

So you and your near neighbors have similar requirements for being fire wise.

So you could have the minimum number of houses, is eight.

They have to be in a general location, more or less contiguous.

You don't have to have everyone, but you have to have a fairly good group of people.

Uh there has to be an organizer, and there has to be a geographic boundary.

So when this area is registered on the firewise site, other people who are asking questions like about it, they can be directed if they're close to a firewise community.

So there's going to be meetings, the you have to organize, you have to come up with a plan.

And you have to work with your fire protection professionals like Calfire, Jeff Nichols, or we could work with generally.

Turns out that I did get training earlier in the year so I can do assessments similar to these wildfire assessments.

And a lot of people in Diablo Fire Safe Council got similar similar training.

So we could go out, we can't get an official, but we can go out, give assessments, go by the reporting sheet, and all of this is then fire uh filed with CAL FIRE.

There it's it's an assessment, it's not that there isn't anything like you can't fail it.

It's more for information, and so this would be more of neighbors coming out and helping neighbors.

So after this assessment is done, you have to come up with a plan, a wildfire plan.

What you're gonna do every year.

For example, you could say on the section of Kill if it's on Kill Care Road, we're going to make sure that the trees have been trimmed so fire trucks can uh can go up Kill Care Road.

So and other plans of removing Scotch Broom from the hillside, all of these things help prepare the community against wildfires.

So each year the plan is not each year, but the plan has to be updated.

There has to be elements of education.

For example, you someone would come in and give a talk on home hardening, and Diablo Fire Safe Council do have speakers that will come in and give these talks.

Once this is done, you report to the um wild uh firewise portal, and then you will be recognized and will get all the certificates, and this is what you would notify your insurance company that you indeed belong to a firewise community.

So the sheet that I gave you has all of the information.

Um one thing that SEO has we have Alameda County has a newly updated community wildfire protection plan.

It was just updated earlier this year.

That gives a lot of information about the um Alamina County in particular.

So this will be important when you're reporting to the national uh firewise group.

But Sunnol also has our own wildfire plan.

Now, this was done with the previous um wildfire community plan, the CWPP that was just updated.

Sonol's Sonol's wire fire action plan was an appendix to the previous CWPP.

I've gone over this and very little has changed.

This describes the geography, the uh the kind of trees we have, any kind of thing that pertains to wildfires and evacuations.

So this is an important document to you because it gives you a lot of information when you're filling out the forms.

That's about it.

If people do want to establish wildfire, um fire safe, firewise sites.

They should start organizing.

I believe um is that can't remember her name on Kill Care Road?

Is Irene Martin.

So I think she's gonna be the first one.

Uh she's organized probably I would say about 10 to 15 of her neighbors in a group.

So I have more information.

I can help you organize.

I don't have the bandwidth to organize this because it does take a lot of work, and it requires dedication.

Um just coincidentally, I I looked up.

Are there any fire-wise uh groups in our area?

And there's one Castlewood, and I believe there's a group on, is it Oaks?

Something Oaks, it's up on uh on uh Foothill Road.

So there are two.

I haven't found any that many in uh Pleasanton or Livermore.

There's a lot in Arinda, Lafayette, they have they have a lot in the Oakland Hills, so um you go through all this, the uh you notify your insurance company and insurance company chuckles at you.

Do they have any obligation to give you a discount?

No, but there are insurance companies that do recognize what though that list of insurance companies might be um on the California state insurance website, they used to have all the insurance companies that will recognize, and there are there are quite a few nurses.

Last time I looked, there was quite a few.

Yeah, I say both agents, yeah.

We recognize it.

Um, such an eclectic bunch.

Um it's almost like you have an association on a lot of the ones we have in El Dorado County and maybe Brent, where it's more of a flatland, and everybody gets together and they keep the place pristine.

And insurance companies love it because it shows that caring about it, and there's not much of a discount, probably three, four percent or whatever, but it still makes a difference.

It's some confidence with the insurance company so good.

So it's uh it is recognized.

I have a lot of my clients get on board and they send the certificate in.

So it's good, it's a good thing.

Here's gonna be a little tough.

Why do you think it's gonna be tough to organize?

Because you because of the the wooded area and keeping everything within all within an enclave.

You know, if Irene gets together with eight or nine others, you know, they're gonna have to like you said, establish a perimeter, you know, and then keep everything, and then you stay on top of that, and uh you know what, worth the shot.

Nothing else, it's good preparation.

People are serious about staying safe from wildfires.

That's what you do.

That's good stuff, yeah.

Well, it would be okay if we sent this out.

Oops.

Oh, I can send you a um a digital copy.

Okay if we send it out to the community.

Oh, okay.

Um usually that's related to wildfire as well.

I don't know anything about it.

Maybe Graham, do you know any of the third plan?

Probably not.

It's just basic fire coverage.

Um, I'm not sure they would recognize that as a discount, so they do.

It says specifically it's related to wildfires, right?

Fire.

I believe I believe the fair plan is used after you get dropped from your last resort.

Yeah, insurance of last resort.

It is it's like last resort, and it's actually there's a whole bunch of people that can't even get the fair plan?

That's right.

Because it's there's so many people.

Yeah.

Very, very very basic.

Very, very basic.

Question.

Um, is the fire department gonna come and inspect uh people's properties in Synol?

Yeah, that's gonna be we're gonna talk about that after Rosemary's done.

Jeff mentioned it, and yeah, it'll be a couple weeks.

Because then in a couple weeks, the homes are gonna hit the LE 100 will be a year old, and then we restart.

The LE 100.

That's the inspection form.

Yeah, that's part of the next time.

Oh, I'm ahead of the cart or the horse or something.

Did you get any response from people last year when we talked about this?

A firewalls community.

No, and the only person was Irene.

Huh.

So it just takes somebody willing to organize it, I guess.

It's having meetings, knocking on your neighbor's door, asking, you want to participate.

There's I think there's some fear of what do I have to do?

If you look around, like there's so much that has to be done on some people's property.

Well, if you can get through that fear, and your neighbors may help.

Correct.

And I think that is that's what's nice about these things is you get together with your neighbors.

Well, and the insurance company also puts the hammer down too.

So we had that at the church where it was like trim or redraw.

We had that.

That's a nice insurance company that gave you a warning.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Mine just doubles the rate here.

Exactly.

Just add.

Other questions?

Thank you very much, Mr.

And Jim O'Loughlin's not able to make it.

That's what I was talking to on the phone before the meeting started.

And Benjamin Harrison, as I said, is away from business.

Um, council staff comments.

PG open house is um June 9th at 5 p.m.

And here, here in this cafeteria in this room, multi-purpose room, and they're gonna have posters.

They're gonna have people here to answer questions.

It's gonna be one-on-one conversations with the PGE personnel.

Um, the school board meeting is gonna be in the library at the same time, unfortunately, but you know, people can come and go away.

And um, is it on the ninth?

9th at 5 p.m.

5 p.m.

here 5 until 7.

And I know they've they've changed the dates at least three times, maybe more, but that's the current eight.

And I'm hoping they'll stick to it.

Okay.

I see some council staff comments.

Yes.

Um, I had a nice conversation with a PGE employee um who was struggling, trying to walk up my driveway, which I'd like to drive up my driveway.

Um, and uh he was checking everything that had been done last year by the core tree company that was supposed to be contracted by PGE, and um as he said gently uh they're no longer contractors with PGE.

Um he was having to go pack and figure out everything that they missed and everything that they messed up on.

All the fans they left on the ground.

I have all of that, and he said that PGE would be out in the next 10 to 20 days, uh redoing the work that was done last year by the core tree service in PGE's name.

So that's all item.

Exactly.

Any other comments?

Graham, do you have a comment or no information?

Sure.

Okay.

I know I've met you because you've been up to my house inspecting my house, but I can't remember your name.

Help to introduce yourself.

Hi everyone, my name is Brandon Doe, Bethlehem Space Inspector with the Santa Clara Callfire unit.

Today we'll be talking about the fenceful space inspections and forms called the LE 100.

Uh just start from the beginning.

Any houses in the SRA, state regulated area with a habitable structure, will be inspected up to a hundred feet on the outside of the house, only looking at the vegetation on the outside of the house.

So that has to be done annually, and also in terms of since July 2021, it's been a requirement selling any houses within the SRA.

You have to have one of these inspections done within the last six months for selling the house.

So that's the inspection though.

It's the system.

Right, but what's that called?

A B38.

AB38 inspection.

It's this inspection, but it goes under the AB 38.

So if you need that, if you're selling your house and it hasn't been done, you would call Synol and get somebody to come complete this inspection.

It'd be requested on the Calfire D space website, too.

But that's just basis, and in terms of form, everyone has a copy.

We'll start top to bottom.

So in zone one, for violation A, it's pretty straightforward, just not having any vegetation within 10 feet of the chimney.

Violation B, no vegetation on the roof, no leaf litter on the roof, the gutters, nothing growing out of the gutters, no leaf litter on the decks or porch racing staircases.

Violation C, nothing overhanging the roof of the house that's dead or dying.

For violation D, it would just be any dead or dying vegetation directly within that 30 feet area area on the outside of the house.

And for a violation E, it would be the way I would describe it.

If there's a tree and there's vegetation below it, whether it's a bush or shrub, there needs to be a height clearance on it.

If everyone looks on the back of the form, you can see a diagram.

We talk about having that three times height of shrub middle minimum vertical clearance on the back on the top right-hand corner.

So that's what violation E is talking about.

Not having any flammable vegetation adjacent to the house, so it could be vegetation next to the house.

Any combustible materials and items it talks about, it can also be combustible material like empty cardboard boxes or a lot of trash bags.

So those also count as flammable combustible material for violation F and in terms of violation G within 30 feet of the house, you can keep any amount of wood piles as long as it's covered with fire-resistant tart.

And for violation H, having any grass or forbes, they have to be no taller than four inches, whether it's dead or alive throughout the whole year.

What's a form?

A forbid form it the way I would describe it, it's a almost a flowering plant growing out, usually a week, yeah, growing next to grasses.

You would usually see when you start getting taller.

Okay, and for violation I, it's uh an example of what I would mark violation I for more commonly would be more common with the redwood trees, just any branches getting close to the ground or touching the ground, all the lower limbs need to be trimmed and removed just so it has the vertical height clearance we saw in the back of the diagram.

But instead of being three times the height of minimum vertical clearance, uh if there was a bush under, it's just six feet off the ground, just so it doesn't act as a ladder fuel.

And the other example I would most commonly mark violation I up for would be if there's a wall of vegetation where for example there's a bunch of trees right next to each other, there's just no separation between them.

Now it's a live canopy, we call it.

It just needs to be some separation between each individual tree to create that clearance and separation.

Also counts for a whole wall of shrubs and bushes next to the tree.

So those are the two examples I would mark for violation I.

Violation J is similar to violation G in terms of wood piles, but now anything past 30 feet, you're allowed to keep it and not have a tarp on as long as there's it's in an area where there's 10 foot clearings of no vegetation around it, we call that bare mineral soil.

And for violation K, remove all dead by dead and dying tree branches shrubs or other plant surfaces.

Uh more commonly the example I would usually mark this one for would be a pile of mulch that's not spread out, it's too high, it's stuff now, or a pile of leaves that's been piled up, it's too high, it needs to be spread out.

And for violation L, walker stum that in the soil must be removed or isolated from other vegetation.

The most common example I would mark this one for, is you would see it mostly in stumps.

They have ceilings growing next to them all around.

Usually call these suckers, and you can't have that next to the stumps, it just acts as the ladder fuel.

So that's the most common example.

And for violation M, it's talking about the liquid propane gas.

So there needs to be a 10-foot clearance around the whole propane tank, no vegetation around it, just so there's that separation.

Again, and that's also down to bare mineral soil around your propane tank.

And then for violation N, it talks about the address number.

Each house needs to have an address number that's displayed in contrasting colors, so it doesn't have to be reflective, but just needs to be legible and visible.

That's what that one's talking about.

And then for violation O, the chimney needs to have the mesh screening around it on top.

And yeah, that's all the violations we look for on the form.

So for the wood piles, um G.

Um, I think maybe you or somebody else suggested we put a tarp over our wood pile.

But this is completely covered in a fire-resistant material, which what a is a tarp really fire resistant?

You would have to purchase a specific fire-resistant tarp.

The plastic tarp that you go to Home Depot and get, you know, the blue tarp.

That's not fire resistant.

That's gonna it'll melt and it's it'll go right, you know, an ember will go right through it and sit in the wood piles.

It's a specific.

I wish I had a brand to tell you, but it would be uh fire resistant material, and it's a it's a it's a tarp, but it it would be just it's made out of a different material.

So we built a little roof over the top, but that's not completely covered, then is it?

You guys are so nice.

When you come out, do I have a question?

So if you have plants up against your house, like lavender and a big rose bush, giant old hundred-year-old rose bush, and it's within I mean a few feet of the house, are you supposed to take that out?

No, no.

So there's it you would need to prune it, upkeep it, and all that, take all the dead stuff off of it.

Um, but that's also considered zone zero, and all of those regulations haven't come out yet.

So we're still only looking at zone one and two, um, mostly, but decorative stuff.

Um, you know, unless you have like a city ordinance like Berkeley, there if it doesn't meet like uh their fire, I forget what they call them, uh well, a fire resistive plant, like if you have juniper in there, Berkeley makes you cut it out or you're gonna get a fine.

So here, out here, if you don't have a city ordinance, it just has to be clear of all the dead stuff and all the dead down leaves that are dropped need to be raked out underneath.

Nobody's gonna come there and say you sorry, I know this was your mom's, but we gotta cut that out.

So the what?

So the forbes that would be under the forbes, right?

No, no.

Forbes is like a weed.

So if you have like a field, is there?

What?

Yeah, and it's like everywhere here for people for ground covering.

And actually, I just looked it up and is okay, considered for where they're being covered.

Where it's definition on the web.

I just looked it up.

Is it because it isn't?

So that's my question.

She's everywhere in landscaping here, and is that not okay anymore?

Does it die?

Is it turned brown?

Does it catch fire?

No.

If you like it, you can put it in there.

Um just know if it's not cleaned up, you may get a violation.

Like it's everywhere.

We use them for ground covering just to keep up the erosion down.

Yeah, you know when the zone zero uh laws are coming up.

I have no idea.

I would like to tell you two weeks, but I I have no idea.

I there's a whole discussion on that, and um I I'll let you know as soon as I know.

So two things.

One is um, I just looked up fire-registrant tarts on Amazon, they're like 50 bucks.

Um, there's all kinds, then there's like dozens of them on there.

It it looks more like canvas rather than it's a canvas with the canvas is treated.

Right.

It's like what a tent, you know, the tent would have like a can't be tent, they're probably just uh resistant.

Um, so things are interesting.

I've never had a problem because we always keep the weeds cleared around the house.

But we can only go about 30 feet to our fence, and then the rest of us is East Bay Regional Park.

I can have to worry about your house.

I'm saying your responsibility is a hundred feet, and that's yeah, so like the insurance company says we don't care figure it out.

Well, I and I understand that, but if your house doesn't have a hundred feet behind it, I can't hold you to that hundred feet.

That's not East Bay Regional Parks problem, and they are supposed to be keeping their stuff.

Okay, that's a great point.

But I just want to make sure that's what's good.

And I have a c I twenty-two years ago I had the same problem, the fence and then a huge field.

And one of your fine gentlemen said, it was my house, I'd crawl over the fence and trim it anyway.

And we've been doing that for 22 years, and I and I've been doing can't tell you that, but I would do that too.

They're like, you want to do it, go ahead.

Um, but that's just a verbal.

According to you guys, they just like just do it.

Yeah, I had a telephone video call with Senator Terry Ernie and East Bay Regional Parks and their staff.

And yeah, they're they're not gonna come out and cut the weeds.

They're just they just won't do it right.

So if you want that protection, you have to do it yourself.

You know, I an idea just came into my head too, though.

They do have a hand crew.

They do so I'm I don't know what the steps and the process would be to suggest a project for them to to do that.

It may be worth reaching out and saying would the Diablo crew be able to come and do a fuel break behind kill care on your property.

I've even looked into crew eight, do that higher grant to work on kill care road.

A does, but that's the that's only the roadway.

I know not behind maybe they can be convinced because it's a big uh uh the scope is only written for the road.

So I maybe rough in my neighborhood to get back there.

Yeah, but if uh it's uh it's worth a shot to ask them to complete a field break behind the homes on their property.

Yeah, it does seem reasonable, but yeah, I didn't get anywhere, yeah makes sense what if residents aren't home when you come do your inspections you make an appointment or what happens so in terms of that if the house is visible from the road in the driveway I will just do the inspection for what I can see and I'll I'll leave a form I can mail it.

Okay.

If the house is gated and I cannot see it at all I have forms that have my phone number on it it says please contact me back at this phone number I can schedule a time and come back out.

But people are required to have the inspection it they just can't say I wasn't home you came along so no inspection it's supposed to be done annually okay so residents have to call you and get that inspection done yes okay so if I'm not home and you do the inspection will you leave a piece of paper that says you were there.

Yes if I could visibly view the house from what I can see and it passes I will leave it for him says you pass just to let you know.

I often every year I get there's a note sitting on my front porch.

Yep.

You could do a good job.

You said you only go to homes with two properties with habitable homes.

So we have a couple of homes that are not inhabited and may not be habitable.

Those go ahead so what do you do then?

So those two homes were reported to the county um one I believe was a the person passed away the family member um who inherited it was he was saying that he was going to clear out the home and sell it right so but it was it's been reported to the county as a abandoned structure the other one it was I don't know what the story was behind it but it was it's reported as an abandoned structure and the county handles it from there.

I don't have so it gets reported but I don't know what happens after it's reported to code enforcement or public works or what uh I just know it's the county I'm not sure I can find out I can find out but I just know it's the county that's all I know hey county it would be code enforcement would they take care of of making sure it's safe.

The county wouldn't do that they would go after the property owner uninspected.

Well it it would fail it's been inspected it gets a failure then what would have what's the recourse it goes to the county to code enforcement and they go after the property owner yeah well they could probably go all the way through to a lean if they need to do yeah we would we've done that so you're saying 100 feet from the house the grass should be four inches or less or shorter is that right is so yeah 100 feet so so it's it's broken down zero to I think it's zero to 10 feet.

No five.

Nope it's zero to 30 feet.

Yeah it's zero to 30 feet you would have it all you know if you have your rail lawn that you're taking care of and it's landscaped awesome from the 30 to 100 feet so that's 70 feet out if it's a pasture let's say and every year uh the rains come and your grass grows and it gets four feet tall you're you're responsible if it's your property to go from the 30 to 100 feet and that has to be the four inches.

100 feet okay I have a retired fireman come and he has a flail mower.

And he comes and he cuts my pasture and then the slope behind my house.

And he does my neighbors as well.

Okay.

Perfect.

His name is Bill Shark.

If anybody wants to know, he comes from Walnut Creek area.

He does quite a few.

Cool.

And you don't go to every house, obviously.

Or are you planning to you're going to go to every house?

Okay.

And like I said last year, it was my mistake when I said I need you guys to take care of Kill Care.

But they did.

But they didn't continue on to Foothill.

And I I was more speaking of a geographic area.

So I just talked to him and now he they should know to include the foothill and all that all the options that are in the SRA.

And that includes Welch Creek and Little Valley and Sharon Road.

If they don't get to that, the engine companies are supposed to kind of pick up the slack that so they work in conjunction with each other.

Um the 108 that have been completed.

Um I have a community in Castor Valley that was making some noise, and I'm like, we haven't done that.

And I went and looked at it like, dude, we haven't been there in two years.

That needs to happen.

So my engine companies have been going there.

So we try, but we can only get so many, and you know fire seasons off and running, so it gets tough.

Approximately how many inspections a day can you do?

Well, we are mandated to do 30 per engine per month, and we have two engines at Sunol, so we should be doing 60 a month.

In terms of the inspectors, there's two other besides me.

Uh I would say it depends on the area on average.

I would say by ourselves individually, 20 to 30 houses per month.

A day.

Okay.

Yeah, we do it uh 10 hour ship doing it.

So 20, it depends on the area.

If it's in a HOA area, it's relatively more easy.

I can just go walk to each house, check it off, check it off, talk to the homeowner.

If it's in an area that's more row in the agricultural area, it might take longer, less houses.

So sometimes I maybe we get calls saying my neighbor's house is a mess.

What can I do?

Well, if it's an area, we're not gonna go inspect one house.

We're gonna inspect them all, and if he fails, they'll get a warning.

If he fails a second one, he's gonna he's got three tries, it'll get reported to our fire prevention office, they'll either come out in sight, or if it's in the case of an abandoned home not being taken care of, that again goes to the county and uh they get help responsible.

So there are people that don't care if they get a site, I'll pay the site, and that that's really all we can do.

We can't go out there and go on people's property and start cutting things down and stuff.

So we should just tell people that have confidence, they will get an inspection.

Yeah, don't worry about it.

Yes, but if like we're we we try to keep up with kill care, but in this horrible example about kill care, if we hadn't been out there in five years, and you know, somebody calls and that call eventually hits my desk, I go and look.

Like I said, for Castor Valley, we're going out there, and we're not gonna just look at that house, we're gonna look at them all, and that's what we do.

So uh, but I know kill care, I know there's homes out there that I don't know, are overgrown and all that, but we can only do what we can do.

Any questions?

Any more questions?

Last questions for audience, good cool.

If you guys uh are doing your haven't had it, which I know you haven't yet, or for this year, you pay attention to the form, make sure it you have the the map to success.

So if all if you can honestly check all these things off, it makes our job easier, your job easier, you pass.

So they fire safe.

Thank you.

Very much, Jim.

Thank you.

And Rand.

Just said comments at the end of that.

I had an insurance inspector come up to our house a couple months ago or last month, and that the weeds were weren't down yet because of the rains.

I told him I said this community is it's annual inspection everywhere.

So it will be cut down because I'm required to do that.

And he checked me off on it based on that annual inspection.

Even though the weeds were too high for him to check off for his inspection.

We don't cut him till the rains are over.

Um he said, Well, and I showed him I said, there's a stack of the last few years with inspections.

I come every year.

That was good enough for him.

Okay.

Cool.

Thank you again.

It does help us.

That all of the uh grasses have been cut.

I don't uh country cost the two dates.

What's L.

I mean, the date looks like end of uh June or middle of June.

All of the uh so if you I made the decision, just it's it all just depends.

It's it's we don't have like oh this must be completed by July 4th.

We don't we don't do that.

We had two dates, one for the one that's on the county, that's not the state.

I know.

So we don't we oh I'm sorry, yeah, state.

Yeah, okay.

So if if it hasn't been done, we're gonna let you know it needs to be done, and we're gonna go back two more times.

It's still not done.

That's we need to think.

So we don't have a specific must be done.

However, I would stop mowing in the summer at 11 o'clock.

Stop, get up and do it in the afternoon or uh meaning like after seven, but nobody really wants to do that, so early in the morning, eight to eleven and stop because then the humidities drop and the fire can start.

And when do you start the inspections again?

Maybe a couple weeks.

A couple weeks.

Um he was just he was letting me know he looked.

So in a couple weeks, the LE 100 will expire.

And even if I need a shoulder tap, hey, when are they coming?

I can reach back out to prevention and start them up this week.

One last question before you go, you know, it's finished.

Um in September, Caltrans was closing Miles Canyon because they were gonna mow, and we had a conference call with them to tell them that's not a good idea.

The response to maybe you were on the phone too, I don't know.

Um, was well the people of Sennol don't want us to use roundups, so we have to mow, but that's in September when it's when it's driest and the fire hazard is the highest.

They should probably schedule it for June, and if it needs to be retouched, you know that's easier than waiting until September.

But I also don't control Caltrans.

Um I don't know what their schedule looks like or why they would choose to do it then, um, because they're even currently um taking care of the Altamont Pass.

Um with you know, cutting there's a couple fire roads for the turnaround.

Um so I don't have an answer for that, but I agree with you.

September's probably a little late, September, October.

That's like the witching months, if you will, for your fire.

Yeah, everybody was concerned.

So I get calls.

Okay, thank you.

All right.

Any other questions?

All right, you guys enjoy your night.

Thank you.

Okay, item four B restrooms and improved leach field downtown.

So at the last meeting in April, we talked, we had the presentation from the consultant, but it was such a long meeting.

I think we didn't get out of here till after 9 30 that um we didn't have any time for any discussion, and so I thought we'd use this time to talk about the path forward, what we want to do.

Um, one of the handouts is the one of the slides from last month, and that shock talks about alternative three and alternative four, and um what we want to do, what we should do.

Um, I did meet with Derek and Kristen and Steve Barkery earlier this week, and we um walked through the park, we identified where the restroom would be located in the park, which direction it would face.

Um which would be next to the circular vegetable garden area, the fenced in vegetable garden area between the wood fired stove and the larger picnic area.

So it serves all those picnic areas.

Umiles Canyon Railway is very eager to connect to the system and to get rid of their portabodies and build a uh real restaurant.

So that's that's good news.

Um important is parking in town, and how much emphasis should we put on the parking?

Adding parking, adding more parking, yeah.

Uh we as we talked about last month.

We can redo that whole leech field, which is not adequate right now because I mean it's adequate for its use, but we it's um yeah, you cannot drive on it, and it's a serpentine instead of distribution lines.

Um we could redo that, and then we would have additional parking.

I think the estimate last month was 30 spaces.

I was gonna say 30.

Yeah, so when once Bosco's is up and running again with the bank hall at Bosco's the restaurant and Dubina, um, which actually was sold, but with Casabella, um even with Casabella's events that extra parking would help them.

Um, and it would be helpful for any growth that we're doing downtown, more parking would be beneficial for any tenants that I get more parking, we got a beneficial.

Thoughts on that?

We talked about it last time, and and it makes a difference on the leech field, but I think it's very practical because it's better to have it.

Not huge, but for park events, I mean, events that we're having in the park.

Oh, yeah.

People try and park there for the school events, back to school night.

Right.

Late the summer, and we're gonna put a hundred hundred and fifty people, two hundred people in the park for a big wine event, wine facing event.

Well, that would be great parking.

We have to have, you know, for that kind of event.

Sean, do you have any recommendations?

Would we talk to public works because they the real estate office county real estate owns that land, they license it to the train, and they have a contract.

Pardon me.

You're sublicensed that space to be.

Let me just finish.

Yeah, I don't want to have a conversation back and forth.

I just let me I want to talk to Sean first, okay.

Um so the land is owned by the county, it's licensed to the railway, and then they this is for the whole park area, and then it then it is this um agreement.

I think it's an agreement, Derek, between the railway and the friends of the garden, friends of the park.

Yes, that uh they they provide a certain amount of funding at the uh we do maintenance.

Um so we are in essence a part of the of the train, not uh not a wholly independent operation.

We don't have a bank account, anything like that.

Um we operate under the graces of of the uh train.

Okay, and then that the leech field is just to be clear license, that section of the park is not PLAs.

That section of the park is licensed to be.

So you're saying that that land doesn't where the leach field is licensed.

Is it ever going to even the perimeter around it?

It's not licensed?

The road run it probably, but that that's I'm that section where the leech field field is licensed to you.

Yeah, yeah, right.

So it's not licensed to PLA, that's a separate license.

Do you know who we would negotiate with if we were to um redo the leech field?

The contact with public works.

Yeah, I don't know who's running real estate division.

I think it's Mike Tadesi.

Okay, that's the name I know.

Okay.

That's the gentleman that just did the re-struction of the agreement between Cassabel and the PLA.

He's a good remote.

Okay.

Oh.

Um, we talked with the train people about um providing more support for the cost of building the leech field, which would then allow for more parking.

Um, because the train people you know have a more vested interest in that parking as well, and maybe we could use that as sort of leverage to get their get them to pay for their share as well, perhaps.

Definitely, definitely.

Um I've got a question that I thought there was uh some conversation about whether the the parking would be uh gravel or paving.

It'll always be gravel, has to be an aerobic system.

Okay, so when they mention paving and striping, what what's the paving and striping for 150?

Did you um put the other one on that shows the plot plan?

Is that going under kilcare?

Uh, you have to open up kill care to get to the other side.

Okay, so what we have here is the leech field is the square at the top.

Kill the Sinbad Creek is the blue line, and you can see uh foothill road is the road um could cutting across probably about the middle, and the bottom of it is Main Street.

The configuration shown of Main Street in that diagram, and that was from our presentation last month, and it's also in the report, is the old configuration before they the county changed it to try and slow down the traffic there, so like a glare on that screen.

Yeah, but you know what?

We still haven't gotten county where Zero's approval to get a new mount to pivot this.

We're gonna pivot it down.

That was something Lindsay was working on before she left.

Yeah, I approved it.

So yeah, yeah, we lost it in transition to to uh I mean I mean send me the documentation I can follow up with okay.

So here the train station's over here.

This is where they're gonna put their restroom and the uh crossing the street is at this point here, sorry.

So they might go underground, I forget what they boring, they might board the hole underground, or they might trench it, and then we'd have to replace the paving and the striping.

This line here is already going across, that goes from Bosco's over to the park.

So that would just connect into that line.

That's the way it's proposed.

Yeah, we'll have to get more deep.

So paving and striping is just to return the the street back to what it was, yes.

Okay, yes, possibly over here, and they didn't say when that estimate was put together, it wasn't divided up by who paid for it, it's just the costs, yeah.

There's a wasn't a rumor that that had already been done.

The boring again is already done.

It was done when the leach room was put in, but nobody can prove it.

The train people don't know about it.

Um so what we're talking about is this is the vegetable garden here, and then this would be the place where the oh, yeah.

This would be the place where the restroom would be.

You thought you were being magic.

We need to give you a laser pointer.

It doesn't show up, right?

It doesn't show up on that screen, I think.

So people have decided.

We will try to.

So um go to the other one that I put together this afternoon.

Oh, it's really tiny.

Um, in response to what you're saying, um one.

I was trying to divide it out by SCAC and Dalles Canyon Railway because the this is alternative three and four, the 669 of two rests, the one in the train station and the one in the park.

And Nile Scanning Railway is not going to contribute to their own restroom.

Is that what it says?

Yes.

So I know it's still hard to see, and I don't have any other copies.

I have them buying paying the restroom totally.

Got it, got it, and then us paying for the park restroom.

Each one of them requires a septic tank, so that's 100,000 each approximately, and then upgrading the leech field.

I have it divided up.

I'm thinking that there might be other people who would pay in to that also who are using the leech field.

That's what we look up for.

And the post office, maybe they could use it.

Um paving and striping.

I have Niles.

I'm assuming it's not a canyon because they're the ones crossing the road that we'll all have to follow up on.

Does that seem like a reasonable starting point for negotiations?

Um the uh SCAC, is there a um you know, count?

Uh the uh pool of money that is sitting somewhere that that comes out of do we know what percentage this would deplete that account?

100%.

Oh, more than we have.

Okay, it's more than even than the tribality fund.

And what are the the main resources that replenish that pool of money?

Property tax.

So the property, oh no, we don't get any property tax money.

Um what the money that I'm proposing for this is money that I got from Mission Valley Rock, so one-time thing in 2023.

Wow.

That was six hundred thousand.

And any prior events to that that uh brought in some money is 10 years, 20 years.

It's are we still getting any reoccurring?

So that we get 50,000 a year from Oliver DeSilva.

Okay, and that's how we pay for improvements, additional improvements to the park.

That's how we bought this system, that's why we bought the Bosco statue.

Okay, okay.

So that yeah, that would it would take it.

It would because you have maintenance and operations, too.

So coming in just you know, five five, six months ago and getting up to speed on things.

What other projects have been floated for the area over the last couple of years that would now potentially be far further out?

I mean, is this is this being uh pushed against another project that so we have the wayfinding signs that are coming up?

Um, and that we have not approved but that purchase.

Um, Benjamin is still working on um what the price should be because it they're still working on their estimate.

Um so that uh I'm not I'm I in my mind, and it's up to all of us, but in my mind, we would still buy the wife wayfinding science if we want to, which is side two, and that would come first before this.

Okay, so this is one of the most significant projects that's been done in quite some time, ever, ever.

Ever as before all of this.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, so it seems like one of the most uh needed, you know, uh items in the area, you know, parking restrooms.

I mean, they're they're uh more of you know they're necessities, not so much uh something that's extravagant, you know.

I mean, we've and it'll take a load off of my buildings.

Right now, the public restaurant downtown by default or my building coffee shop uses it, or well, we get we just give them the code, just to be good neighbors, but that's you know, I'm paying for that expense, and on Monday and Tuesday are closed, the stores open.

Stores open, okay.

I still see people peeing behind the telephone poles and the trees in the park.

Yeah, I thought I figured by now everybody knows the code because I'll drive by when we're not open, I'll see people going in there because they everyone knows the code.

You know the code?

Nope.

No code.

I don't know the code.

Somebody coming through the area and hanging out for a little while because they have to meet someone in an hour, they'll never need the code.

Yeah, but they're gonna find a tree.

Yeah, yeah, but about every three months I get a big bill from the the rotor rooter guy because somebody goes in there and messes with the bathrooms, yeah.

That's something that's got to be accounted for in these new ones.

It is, yeah.

You're right, yeah.

Are there accounting funds available for this also?

We haven't been asked, the county hasn't been asked.

Well, I like that response.

Yeah, that's a definite maybe.

Open, yeah, profile like that.

Um, so it sounds like the first step is to talk to county real estate, find out what they're interested in doing, what they're wanting to participate in.

Um, we need to finish up the study, which is being done, finished up right now.

Um, of course, these are estimates.

These aren't by a construction company itself, so we need to get estimates, or probably plans that they can work to give an estimate, and we would so construction in theory would begin two years, five years.

What are we talking about?

I don't know.

Because what are you whatever figures you get here?

Are they gonna be real five years from now with inflation or whatever else?

I would hope it's not gonna be five years.

These things should take longer than you think.

And if when we're working on Leechfield, it's inconveniencing the town center building, right?

Because they would have to get pumped out too right during that time, but they would benefit from it, you wouldn't would benefit from it.

Maybe or maybe not.

I'm only using four lines out of 20 that exists.

So it's convictable that that work could be done by isolating, basically isolated the lines.

Oh, good idea.

Yeah, good idea.

I'm only using 40%.

Yep.

When the restaurants, restaurant, the bar, everything the buildings are all fully occupied.

I'm using 40%.

It was overbuilt intentionally for this purpose.

Well, yeah.

Joe Manchester asked Mike specifically when they were starting to dig it up.

He said, Can you double the size of the leach field?

I'll get PL, PLA wants to put a restroom in.

If you can provide the leach field, they'll provide the restroom.

That was the deal that was made in 1999, and we still haven't gotten to it.

We're trying.

Trying.

So this is great progress.

If new businesses come into the area.

Right now, there may be an existing tank and leech field for that building, maybe behind there, their own building, or they all have to tap into this leech field, any new businesses.

They would tap into this.

So you're thinking of um new businesses occupying an existing building.

Yeah, I suppose I mean, where do all the existing buildings?

What do they utilize this existing leech field right now?

No.

Casabella has a brand new system that they installed.

Okay.

And the cafe, which isn't operational, has a brand new system.

Okay.

That they put in at great expense.

Um the post office has a marginal system.

Galleria has a marginal system, but it's acceptance meets it's been approved.

If if the theory is if we can get this, and especially with the parking lot on top, they're gonna put a really good leech field in, and if we have new business whether existing businesses or things moving, we now have a source for them.

Correct.

But the waste, and that's how we're gonna improve the the city, and that's what we're trying to do.

Would there be a uh a buy-in, maybe?

You know, absolutely, you know, they're and so that would begin to offset any deficit that we have from this.

It would.

Okay.

Yeah, you can make it a profit making center.

I'm very much so.

Don't tell anyone once we've uh broke even and I was at a meeting one time with um people who are interested in renting the cafe, and they wanted to put a beer garden in the back.

It sounded really nice, but they started adding up the parking that Casabelli uses, the parking that Bosco uses, parking that they needed, and they said, I'm not gonna do that.

I'm there's not enough parking for my patrons.

Sure.

So I think it would make a big difference for the downtown.

Yeah, accessibility.

I guess if you if you build it, they will come.

Okay.

So it sounds like the higher priority in for you all is the parking parking lot rather than the restroom.

I well, I think they go hand in hand.

I do too.

Yeah, because of all the bicyclists and uh and the and the people just I mean the that little park is used pretty steadily.

It is all day long, warning joggers, and morning walkers and dogwalks.

I think it brings people in and just lifts us up great.

I think it's worthwhile, and the parking lot would be nice because people see it.

Yeah, I don't think that she can hear what you're saying.

I hear you very saying, Yeah, the um I think having a nice building for a restroom, uh, parking classes up the city, it brings it up maybe a grade.

It's nice when people come in and there's a picture of a nice restroom someplace.

Something like this adds a little bit more charm to our already charming city.

So, you say that.

I don't think we could have just a parking lot because to have the parking lot, you've got to do the uh the leech field proportion as well.

So at that point you're more than halfway there.

It's your required upgrade rather if you do your restroom or not, because it's on top of my leach field, yeah.

So either way would have to be upgraded.

Yeah, um, and I don't think it's that's pretty nominal, actually.

Um, of an upgrade.

I don't think it's gonna be that big a deal.

They're just they're just putting some different substrates in there above the system field.

Upgrading the leech field to accommodate parking is six hundred and nineteen thousand dollars.

You're gonna end up having to take what's in there, like out, go deeper because putting substrates on top, but it'll be a better field in terms of how it uh uh disperses and uh it's only like six to ten feet deep right now.

I saw when they had it opened up, it's not very deep.

Okay, all right, cool.

No, I'll like it.

Conversation.

It would have to come out of our fifty thousand dollars we get per year.

Like, what would the monthly?

Well, actually, that part of it would and part of it be the train has said the train people said that they, well, since they're paying for it now, that right now they're paying to have the restrooms cleaned and pumped out weekly.

Restrooms I well, quarter bodies.

They lock them up too.

Yeah, they're locked now after they were blown up.

Yeah.

Um, so they would pay continue to to pay that amount or whatever it takes.

Yeah.

But they would pay for theirs, right?

50%, basically.

Yeah, they would pay for theirs and and we'd pay for the other.

Yeah.

Okay.

And so the last month that estimate was 40,000 a year, a year for the for the maintenance.

Yeah.

Okay.

We'll do point operated.

We're going to make a profit.

Those are actually very popular in urban areas.

Yeah.

Credit code.

I grew up in England.

Didn't have a penny, you're in trouble now.

So Derek, do the park people when somebody reserves the park?

I'm calling it the park.

It's really the settled guards, but I'm calling it the park.

Um is there a charge or is it a deposit that's charged?

Um, someone who has a uh real we term it a Synol sponsor, somebody in town who is who has a phone number in town and is you know, uh, um, then no.

Um for someone who does not have any connection to the town, and we know we don't have anybody to uh to haunt if if it goes sideways, uh yes, we we have asked for deposits in that case.

Uh it's usually just 250 dollars or something like that.

Um but for Snow residents, uh no, we don't.

And that is always a deposit, not it's never a fee for use.

Right.

Um another question, what about insurance?

How is how how would the bathroom be insured?

In case it got destroyed or damaged.

Well, what are you talking about liability or the actually liability as well?

So when kids climbing on the roof, they fall off, or you know, somebody drives into it.

Yeah.

We discussed that last time, and it gets down to um you know whose properties on, who's liable, and it's it's kind of a gray area in terms of liability, and who owns it or who's leasing it, and so it's uh that would be, you know, it could be well, the county owns the land through the county, you know.

So that everybody get involved, but somebody would typically carry at least a policy, well, from the building.

Uh, department would handle that aspect of this, but we're way ahead of ourselves at that juncture.

But the county county owned property, our risk assessment management team will go out there and carry the policy, liability and damage.

Yeah, because that would be a pocket, that's a little worse in cross.

Is the train insured co-insured to the county or I I just learned what they do the other day.

So I don't know much about the train.

I didn't, yeah.

I I was sort of assuming they have their own insurance policy.

Certainly, I think there's a little different because they they're actually they're accessing our public right our right-of-way as well.

Right.

So I think they would have to carry their own type of insurance for that, but on our property, it would still be our risk management.

I'm pretty confident in saying that.

I can look and get back to you.

Yeah, that gets to be complicated, doesn't it?

If it's licensed to the railway, yeah.

Well, it's an agreement.

Oh I don't know if it's licensed.

Have a long-term lease agreement.

Yeah, I used to call it a lease, and I was corrected to say it was licensed.

Yeah, it's I I know it's it's an agreement, and I know that both parties are trying to figure out a better way of working together.

And recently we had talked about the developing a different type of governance structure that oversee to oversee that relationship because they have they have the rail has some right-of-way issues with bridges, and the county's not gonna build bridges for the railway.

There's they would if they were an independent body, they can see grant funding better than they could being under us as a county.

Yeah, so like the license on the parking lot was just redone.

So that's all yeah, well, Casabella, me, and the train are and the county are four parties to the license, and they required a two million dollar insurance uh bond for liability insurance for each of us for the use of that.

So they're co-insuring, which is common.

Like I require tenants to have insurance, even though I haven't short of the building.

So they're they're um and I become a named insurer.

The same thing from the county, so that that's kind of the same type of thing that would probably happen, yeah.

And that would probably fall on PLA since it's on their one with the relationship with the county, I see that for PLA parking lot restroom, but I'm not sure about the one over the park.

Still on their license property from the county, um, the leech field you're saying is not licensed, so then it's okay.

Okay, and I'll I'll go read my license again and review it.

It was just updated two, three years ago, it's like a five year license.

So, part of me was going into this was thinking it'd be better to to work on the parking lot and upgrade in the leach field right away, because it the restaurant's not open, you'd have the minimal interference with what you're doing, but but then I reminded that it's gonna everything's gonna take a while.

Everything's gonna take it's going to take a while.

Right.

I want a restaurant, so don't hold up on that.

My building can also operate on just being pumped without the leech field.

This has to be done monthly.

They'll have to do that.

That's just an expense, it's just dollars.

It's it's not like it would shut us down.

It just adds dollars.

Yeah, right.

We did that in fact last year.

We put up we're doing some testing, so they actually blocked my leech field line to do testing while they're doing that testing period, and we just had to do extra pumping.

That was and that would be fine.

Okay, it's five thousand gallons, actually, two five thousand gallon tanks.

Oh wow, okay.

So everybody feels comfortable with moving ahead.

Yeah, whatever the next step is.

Yeah, yeah.

So if we don't do a motion, then it doesn't show up in the minutes unless can we just say that we want the tenants to state that we agree to move ahead?

Or do we have to have a motion?

Um I was going to summarize your next steps.

Like talking to the county of real estate, finishing study, everything.

Okay, and you want to just reiterate that summarized all your next steps.

That'd be great.

Okay, we'll do that.

Yeah, okay.

I just want to make sure that we document it.

And I don't think we should.

Okay.

Is there anything else we need to think about with this?

Take step.

Okay.

Next item on the agenda is 4C, approve the minutes.

So April 15th.

Did everybody get a chance to look at them?

I move to the approved minutes.

Second.

Um council member opponent.

Yes.

Approve.

Council member McLean.

Approved.

Council member start.

Vice Chair Harrison.

Excused.

Chair DeGrange.

Approved.

Motion.

Okay, we're on item five, adjourned.

We are adjourned.

Very nice.

Excellent job.

Excellent job.