This public hearing of the Allegheny County Council was held on May 22, 2024, to discuss property reassessment practices, including the common level ratio (CLR), the need for a countywide reassessment, and potential legislation for regular assessments. The hearing featured presentations from county officials, experts from Lackawanna County, Tyler Technologies, and the International Association of Assessing Officers (IAAO), followed by public testimony. The meeting began at 10:15 AM and was scheduled to wrap up by 7:30 PM.
Also fortunate enough to be joined by Lackawatka Lackawanna County Commissioner William Goggan and the director of Lackawanna County's Office of Assessments and Appeals, Patrick Tobin. Lackawanna County is currently in the midst of conducting a countywide reassessment, and they have very kindly offered to share their experience with us. I would also like to welcome representatives from Tyler Technologies. Tyler is assisting Lackawanna County in their current efforts and was also the company that Allegheny County contracted with during our last reassessment in 2012. These individuals will be able to provide insight regarding how in how reassessment methodologies may have evolved since then. Finally, I would like to thank Shannon Hiss and Justin Elmers from the International Association of Assession Officers who have agreed to join us to provide information about the IAAO and their technical standards in the context of assessments. I would like these two presenters to speak in turn, make any opening remarks, and provide a 10 to 15 minute presentation if they have one prepared, then field relevant questions and appropriate questions from members of councils assembled this evening. My plan is to be finished with the invited guest presentations by 6.45 or so. At what point we will move to the 13 individuals who signed up for the public comment. When your name is called, please come to the present presentation table to make your remarks. Please note that all rules relating to public comment at regular council meetings will apply this evening as well. If all goes as planned, we should be wrapping up around 7:30. At this point in time, Jared, would you please recognize the council members in attendance? We have Councilmember DeMarco, Councilmember Filiagi, Councilmember Grisbeck, Councilmember Hallam, Councilmember Klein, Councilmember Nakarati Chakis, Councilmember Pritzio, and of course President Katina. Thank you very much. Mr. Fargas Day, I will turn it over to you at this point in time. Thank you, President Cantina. Thank you for the invitation and carrying over there. Um to the rest of the council. Quasi judicial. Ah, I hear the echo now. Um and put me in a position of trying to explain what I observed in 16 years as a hearing officer and an additional five years on uh the Allegheny County Board, and I will be glad to do that with you and more happy to answer any questions that you may have for me. Uh with regard to addressing whether or not there should be a reassessment, I absolutely believe that there should. The biggest reason for that is the CLR that is used to try and bring property values in today's dollars back to the base year of 2012. Just does not work. The CLR is imprecise at best. It's artificial. It's easy to manipulate as we've seen is what caused the problems we dealt with last year. I believe, however, a reassessment, although it could be the quickest way of coming about this, is actually the second best way we can address property assessments in Allegheny County. Primary tack that I would take is build a computer system, and this has been approached before that would pull data from all the departments that would help the computer program or make the computer program keep a constant current valuation going for properties in the county. This would be tying into everybody from deed registry to changes to the properties on a municipal basis. Um construction requiring deeds and permits and uh construction plans for new construction being turned in at the time of deed registry. A number of other factors could be incorporated into this that will go well beyond my time here. So I'll try and keep it on the simple side here. There's many moving parts to an assessment, and there are many experts out there who can help guide us along to address all of those moving parts. Again, just running quickly through the different departments that are involved. We've got deed registry, we've got the assessor's office, we've got the collection of municipal permits on the municipal level, West Penn multilist agreements, Department of Finance, and builders' final contracts. All of these could be collected, inputted, and keep an ongoing true market value going, which would alleviate the need and the huge expense. If we go back to the original reassessment by Saber back in 2001, we paid them 24 million dollars plus. If I may ask, are you aware of how many commercial properties are included in the data collection of a CLR? No. I would you have the answer? None. Can I ask a quick question? You may. I'm sorry to interrupt them. Interrupt you, obviously. Why is that? That's a good question.