0:11It's approved on a 6-0 vote.
0:14Nail is out of the room.
0:20We're uh going to cover a couple of departments and then we uh Mr.
0:24Marshall has uh a presentation.
0:26We'll proceed in this order.
0:28Uh we'll cover the legal department first, then the port division next, and then the fire department in that order.
0:39Uh with that being said, we'll start with the legal department.
0:46Lekich, we rarely see you here.
0:48I recognize you from uh your high school annual picture.
0:52Brought out the big guns.
0:55Lekage, we're all yours.
1:00We if you have an opening comment or nothing.
1:07Creel has a question.
1:18Did we not apply for it or is it not available again?
1:28It's for the center through nine violence.
1:30And they put it on the agenda, I think a couple of weeks ago, and then again this week.
1:35And it's as funds are available.
1:38So we didn't budget for it because we don't know if it will be available next year.
1:41Okay, so that's at that point in time we would recognize it if it is.
1:44So that would go through the non-departmental and then be no.
1:47It it's where they are reaching out to us to help police the people that they are protecting.
1:57So if if it is available next year, at that time, we would do a budget amendment to bring it in.
2:02So then it would be an addition to correct.
2:04And it'd be in addition to revenue as well, because there's no revenue for it in the budget either.
2:10I like revenue opportunities.
2:13Are there any other questions?
2:17The legal department.
2:21I have a question, Mr.
2:23Lakich, if you don't mind.
2:24I noticed that uh in comparing the proposed budget for 27, um, comparing that to the 26th budget, there's a roughly a little over a three percent increase, and it appears to be in services and charges.
2:44Um I'm assuming there's just an increase in some of those services and charges, or is it new software or it's actually in legal?
2:54Um your current budget is showing six twenty-four for legal.
3:00But a couple of weeks ago we did a 200,000 dollar amendment.
3:04So legal is actually at 824.
3:07This just hasn't been updated because this was the date it was pulled back in June.
3:11Okay, so so there's a net a net decrease or net increase.
3:16It's probably a wash.
3:18I mean, because that that's 624 really needs to be 824 now.
3:24So it'd be about the same.
3:27So it's a roughly a wash.
3:30Any other questions of the legal department?
3:36Now's your opportunity.
3:38We he's like Christmas.
3:39He comes around once a year.
3:52Everybody wants to be.
3:53Everybody wants to be Mr.
3:57That brings us to the next to be the port division.
4:05Johnson, another another Christmas arrival.
4:09We only see you once a year.
4:14You're welcome to open with a presentation, or if you just want to go right to questions with whatever is your preference.
4:23Any questions of the port division?
4:27If I can, Councilman Tisdale, I would one like to start out with again telling her and her staff how great of a job they did with the bill fish and everything else down there as well.
4:38And I know Councilman Gray was down there with me a lot.
4:41I think Councilman Glavin, uh Councilman Creel, Dave that you were down there as well.
4:46So I think all of y'all hit down there during that time period.
4:50But uh her and her staff do an outstanding job for all the different ports in which they oversee.
4:56All right, thank you.
5:00You're doing a fantastic job down there.
5:02I've seen a big difference and how much cleaner everything is, all the ports, not just small craft or the point cadet.
5:10Everything is looking good.
5:12You and your team has been doing a fantastic job.
5:17Like I said, when I walked around with Bill Fish, people from all over was bragging on y'all, not even knowing that I was a councilman in Florida City, just talking to them.
5:28They was talking how great of a job y'all, how big of a difference it has gotten over the last couple years, and they can't wait to come back.
5:37You know, have no control over the weather, but anyway.
5:40Doing a great job, you and your team.
5:45Any other questions or comments, Mr.
5:47Um so on your 6830 and 6899, the transportation equipment in reserved.
5:54Is that just is that vehicles?
5:58Is that is that um mowers uh equipment or is ordered track somewhere last year?
6:10If I'm a Chris, do you mind turning your microphone on, please?
6:27And then on uh 60 10 the increase in salaries, your increase.
6:32So that is we are proposing to transfer the bridge tenders from public works to us.
6:41And um so that's what that is.
6:44That would put the bridge tenders under the port and out of general fund uh from public works.
6:49And I'm assuming then we will see that reflected in in in your public works as well.
6:54Okay, and then the um the decrease in your salary and wages and personnel services.
6:58Is that temps part-time sort?
7:01Um it's uh 84, or I'm sorry, 60 10.
7:15Oh, um we had someone retire, and the person we replaced him with, it just went back to the beginning salary.
7:32What's the difference in the garbage adjustment here in the budget?
7:36What is that representing?
7:39Currently, when HCUA bill comes in, all trash and dumpsters are coded to the general fund, and we are now splitting the ports dumpsters out to the port.
7:49So that's another transfer in and out or whatever, okay.
7:59I I'd want to concur with with Rick and the rest of the council, I'm sure, on um the the um outstanding job that you're doing over there with them.
8:09Uh the people that you service and the people that interact with your employees down there have nothing but good things to say.
8:15So thank you for that.
8:16I know y'all are concerned with this upcoming storm.
8:18Appreciate your preparedness for that as well.
8:29Painless is a trip to the dentist, uh.
8:34Uh that brings us to the fire department.
8:38All right, Councilman Tisday.
8:40You know, you used to be the police, so I probably don't have a nice comments to say about Chief Geyser, but he's done a great job as well, too.
8:51Chief Chief, did you want to open with a comment or two?
8:54Or uh nah, we can go right into questioning.
8:57You'll be very similar to what the uh uh Chief D back opened.
9:02I mean Chief Everett.
9:05D back ever opened with last week.
9:07We're we're in much of the same boat.
9:09In fact, they're taking quite quite a bit of hit just like us.
9:12Uh chief will entertain questions, Mr.
9:15Um 6610, your your um vehicle outside force.
9:20Is that the decrease is so that is reflecting we had a uh well, a couple recks.
9:28One of them was uh an insurance claim.
9:31That money was received from the insurance company of the the person that that caused the incident.
9:37That money's put in there and then reversed back.
9:40So um it it kind of washes out.
9:42And then your software are you you losing upgraded.
9:46So um uh just to kind of clarify, so software for the fire department, we have a fire rebate fund uh that comes in every year around September.
9:55Um we can utilize that fund for uh fire fighting operations.
10:00Uh we're trying to be as creative as possible.
10:02So we reduced the the operational budget and moved about $35,000 worth of software that we can incur on that side, the fire rebate fund.
10:12Um so we're just gonna run it over there.
10:14Typically, where would where where would you use that last year?
10:18Um so typically when like fire rebate fund this year we have a brush truck on order, that's about 250,000.
10:25We've accumulated some of the uh excess uh over about two or three years we work with Diana, and so we're not having to you know do any kind of lease purchase on that one.
10:36Um a lot of times we'll use that fund for uh new turnout gear that continually rises.
10:41Uh things unexpected occurrences, like we can replace an engine in one of our fire engines.
10:48We can't repair it without special permission.
10:50We can replace um HVAC systems.
10:53We can't repair them out of that fund.
10:55So it's generally the operation towards fire suppression.
10:59You got you a night uh a rainy day fund.
11:02It it comes in handy from time to time, yes, sir.
11:05Um so your um I I notice on this this report here it you're down three positions, but then on your is that reflected on your salary and wages, is that what the Yes it should be.
11:17The the 102681 is that the three positions that Yes, it should be.
11:24Those those are not firefighters, those are civilian.
11:27No, those would be firefighters.
11:30So yes, so we would drop, so currently we are operating with about 162 firefighters on the shift work, basically a battalion chief down, those that work 2448.
11:41Uh just to give you reference, in 2017, we hunter had 172 positions uh allocated towards those those same things, and that was operating nine stations.
11:54So, and that was us being actually a fire rating three, a class three.
11:59Uh fast forward from twenty seventeen at 172, 2026, we're at 162.
12:05And if we reduce um those three positions, we'll be at 159, which will leave roughly, you know, what is that, divided by three, uh, about 53 53-ish.
12:19Um right there, just above 50.
12:23Well, our minimum staffing per day is 46.
12:26So we're starting to kind of cut it real close in regards to staffing the trucks adequately and filling those seats because we have to fill those 46 seats every day, 365, 24-7.
12:39So it's getting to the point where military leaves, FMLAs, um, sick leave, vacation, annual leave, anything like that.
12:47You don't have much cushion.
12:48Um, so a lot of overtime is being incurred.
12:51So so this one's 78 that's here, that's that's everyone that's that's from me down.
12:57So on the three positions or you know, whatever we want to call it, the reductions or is that also fairly to say these are maybe unfilled positions that historically we haven't filled, and we're we're just making that adjustment a little bit tighter to the vest here.
13:18Is that part of this?
13:19Are we actually reduced?
13:21I just want to clarify that.
13:23You know, as fast as we can get uh guys tested, um, we can fill the positions.
13:29We're about to hire four, I think August.
13:32We've got seven or eight positions right now open.
13:36We're gonna hire four.
13:38We're trying to hire smaller classes, so our training division doesn't necessarily have to continually do this this 20 weeks training.
13:45So let me ask it another way.
13:47Last year at this same time, when we were sitting here looking at the uh budget and the salaries and the positions.
13:54How many positions did you have this last year at this time versus right now today at this time?
13:59Open, open positions?
14:01Probably about the filled positions.
14:05So you were at the 160?
14:07We were we were now we're proposing at the 157 or whatever.
14:10Yes, and I can tell you every year, um, I think since I've been chief, I've been asking for 18 positions on top of that to adequately staff the shifts.
14:18We should be at around 60 per shift, and we've done some measures to keep our numbers low at that 46 minimum staffing, but we really should be at around 48, 49, 50 some somewhere in there, depending on how we would like to staff, because the the fire service NFPA requires us for every fire alarm, fire, structure fire, anything, we gotta have a minimum of 17 on scene at any given time.
14:45Well, you start sending three men per truck, send four trucks, you can do simple math there, and then you send a couple command staff and you start getting there, but it's it's cutting it close.
15:00So the um the the difference in your in your FICA would be the the three positions?
15:07Um you say you have four in in in in training now that are that are coming up.
15:12We're in the process of getting them brought on, I think August 12th is the date that we've targeted to have them start.
15:18Now just make sure if I if I remember this correctly last year, the way you explained it to me is you do all the training up front, you make sure they have all their training rather than do intermittent training.
15:27So and that takes how many weeks?
15:3120 weeks of training.
15:32So those four people you won't have in a station once you hire them in for another 20 weeks.
15:38It'll be done the same way.
15:39Now we have started talking about once we make them firefighters, putting them on shift to at least have that person on the trucks, but then you will have to pull them off daily to do their EMT basic training for about six or so weeks.
15:52The training there at the at Sedar Lake?
15:55And then you're are you doing outside training as well?
16:02Any other questions?
16:07How many calls do y'all run to the to the casinos?
16:11Uh total calls uh per year is around 8500 to 9,000 and casinos probably count medicals, fire alarms, those sort of things account for over 50 percent.
16:27So do do y'all have to send a truck every time y'all have a medical?
16:31I know a fire alarm, yes, but if that's a medical.
16:35Um it essentially we're gonna at least get toned down.
16:37Now with our partnership with Pafford, uh, you know, which is kind of a recent occurrence, two, two and a half years, uh, and them embedding in the station, for instance, if a call comes in to uh the hard rock and it's at Central, we have a PAFR unit that sits there.
16:54They have actually kind of helped caught cut down on some of our call volume, because if it's a medical that they can handle, they'll just tell our crews, hey, we've got it, we're headed there now, we'll call you if we need you.
17:05So that's been a great uh partnership.
17:07Uh now Station two doesn't have that same luxury station three because they don't have a ambulance sitting right there.
17:15But um, yes, we respond to all medical fire alarms.
17:19Uh and if a fire alarm comes in, we're sending three engines, one ladder truck, and a battalion wagon, regardless of how it comes in reported.
17:26If it's confirmed fire, we're sending an additional engine and a couple more staff.
17:31So PAFR's been holding up to their stuff that's a very important thing.
17:37I like I said, I'm just wondering if we can use PAFRET more than trying to send our Yes.
17:42And we are our call volume has kind of flattened out over the past two years, but that's because they are taking a good load of the medical calls off of our our units and our crews.
17:58Um couple of things, Chief.
18:01Um first of all, Diana, you you may be the best one to ask this question on overtime, um, which would be under 01552.
18:17I chose an overtime budget of 750,000.
18:22And this year it was 700,000.
18:25And does it look like we're gonna end up at about 700,000, your best estimate at this point?
18:31Are we gonna be a little over that?
18:34We'll be over that, but the offset will be in 6010.
18:406014 over time, it's gonna be more than the 700,000.
18:45But six zero one zero, which is salaries will be under in between the two, it should wash.
18:50Calculated the other day, and we actually said we were probably gonna have three hundred thousand dollars to the favorable.
18:58Um the next thing, Chief, you're losing three firefighters.
19:08And I would assume if you lose firefighters that there would likely be an increase in overtime, because if firefighter Creel is not here, somebody's gotta work overtime to cover for him somewhere, correct?
19:23So that's a factor in there.
19:25Um the other thing you had mentioned is you would like to have 18 more firefighters.
19:30And I'm thinking roughly, uh, let's say they're all newbies.
19:35Maybe some will be transfers.
19:39I don't know what it costs per firefighter.
19:43Accounting training or gearing thousand.
19:45So going with 61,000, I was using a figure of 80,000.
19:51I would go with more of 71,000.
19:54Somewhere in between.
19:55And that's just salary.
19:56That doesn't cost that's not does not include the cost to outfit them.
20:01Because turnout gear is not cheap.
20:06Just let me do a little math real quick.
20:16So an additional roughly an additional 18 firefighters would add another 1.2 million to the cost of the fire department or what it takes to run a fire department in the city of Biloxi.
20:32On the other hand, we we we tend to forget that when we add a station, when you add a new station, you gotta have three crews, right?
20:42So you're gonna add how many people and we've added a couple.
20:45I'm I mentioned this for a reason, just for some context.
20:48We opened Station 7 and Station 10, and uh Station 7 was a really prior was a crummy location.
20:59I I guess it was fully staffed in, may not have had as many.
21:03So so Station 7, when it was running out of the uh the trailer.
21:08Uh that was uh a single engine crew with three men on it.
21:12We had the ladder truck down the street at Station 6.
21:14When Station 7, the big station came online, we moved the ladder truck out of six, moved, you know, of course, the engine there.
21:22So we moved that around.
21:23But yes, when we opened up 10, you typically it takes you nine, so three guys to run that engine, and you really want to kind of hire maybe one extra just in case somebody calls in six, something along those lines.
21:35We tend to lose track of those things over time, that they are additional costs, but they're they're fully justified.
21:40Okay, I don't have any more questions.
21:42Any other questions?
21:45There being none, thank you, Chief.
21:47Um, I would like to state y'all y'all brought out a significant point as we continue to develop, especially up north.
21:59Right now, you know, we've been discussing with Ward 6, Ward 7, several things that we want to do on the peninsula as well in Ward 2 and Ward 1.
22:08That's going to require more bodies, more law, more law enforcement, and more firefighters, especially up north and the Bel Aviv area, those things.
22:19Then that's new trucks, new cars, all of those things as well.
22:24The projections that we gave were projections that were added into some of those as well, too.
22:30So now not these drafts that you've got currently in front of you, but the initial drafts that I gave to you, Councilman Tisdale, Glavin, and Marshall that y'all initially saw, those were also taking the taking in look of what does the future hold for us in the next couple years.
22:48So those are going to be things that we really have got to take a hard look at as the leaders of the city.
22:53How do we move forward with our growth and development by still maintaining the top-notch law enforcement and firefighters that we have?
23:02Because it's not going to be a big of an effect if we go from a two to a three on the residential side, but it's going to be huge on the commercial side to go from a two to a three.
23:14You're talking anywhere up to 10 percent difference in your premiums from the fire side.
23:20And uh same thing on the law enforcement.
23:23Right now, Chief Everett and them do a wonderful job.
23:26If you take a look at a surrounding areas and take a look at what we've got going on here, they're on top of it.
23:34The majority of them.
23:35But we've got to be able to, how do we continue to do that?
23:39And those are gonna be the tough decisions that the leadership of the city has got to make.
23:45So we've got other tough decisions as we went.
23:49As you can see, these directors and managers have really skinned back as much as possible.
23:56And uh we've got to take a hard look at where do we move forward on this one.
24:01Thornton will tell you it it's this is as low as it it could possibly go from our side.
24:07And uh I I do have concerns about where we're at, but that will be discussions that we'll have later on as well, because I've got multiple other departments to show you too.
24:19And uh I would love to tell you that the doom and gloom was up front, but it's it's across to every one of them.
24:26And those are things that I really want y'all to, as you take a look, please feel free to talk to these directors, see what they're looking at, talk to these managers, and uh I just don't see a another way that we're gonna be moved forward from where we're able to do any type of reductions.
24:45Creel, I think, had a comment or is there any way we uh the other four uh can get a copy of those uh projections?
24:56Yeah, uh go ahead, Mr.
25:00So so you're saying that looking forward, does this mean that the grass cutting is not gonna get cut as much?
25:09Trash pick up is not gonna be picked up as much as I will along with numerous other things.
25:18I mean, we'll provide you with the best schedule that we can, Councilman Gray, and the decisions at the end are gonna be up to you seven plus one.
25:28And uh, but I'm gonna give you everything that we possibly can based upon the revenues that we have coming in.
25:35And where our expenses meet our revenues, I'm gonna give you all the opportunities of that.
25:41Again, these are drafts at this point in time.
25:44And it will, that's why we have those discussions here and also with the committee.
25:50Uh how do we move forward on here?
25:54I think in we've given you the best look that we can based off revenue and expenses from this area.
26:01And uh as we move forward with the parks, public works, those are all going to be things that we take a look at, and then we make decisions of what's going to be the way the city moves forward.
26:14And hopefully that answered your question.
26:19Do we is there is with these coming up?
26:24I know right now we're on expenses and and I know we've had one revenue meeting.
26:28Do we are we forecasting a flat revenue, or are we not tasking our revenue generating departments to increase revenue or decrease efforts to to increase revenue?
26:42We've had those discussions with the committee, and we're doing the best that we can.
26:47Yeah, the committee thing is that's what's bothering me.
26:49As far as our revenue generating, uh I've discussed with Director Creel, and our rates are about the same as the rest of the city.
26:57So as far as our permits and all of those, so we the last time we had a discussion, we wanted to, as long as we remain the same as everyone else, that's what we wanted to do.
27:08So we do have some that are going up, some that are going down.
27:12Uh our I think our Evalorum tax, is it about the same, Diana?
27:17It's up a little bit.
27:19So we're going to have a little tick, but I think Ms.
27:21Thornton is kind of projected that into the revenue already.
27:25So what we've got to be able to do is take a look at where is the next steps that we've got to be able to take a look at.
27:32I'll provide you whatever you want.
27:35And uh, but we've already I've given majority of it to the committee, and but I will make sure that I share that with all four.
27:42If President Tisdale, you're good with those.
27:45Well, if we could go on forward, if the committee could provide it, that'd be great too.
27:49Um that that'd be good if once y'all discuss in the committee, if we if there was a brief synoptus that could be passed out amongst us so that we're not sitting here asking these questions and we we can be in the know as well.
28:01And we've been doing that except for the last meeting we we've had, and I've been busy since then, honestly.
28:08But uh any documents such as that, I'll be sure to get to the other members of the council.
28:12What we've tried to do with the committee, um the uh call it the Council Finance Committee, is Mr.
28:18Glab and myself and Mr.
28:20Marshall, is is really try and streamline this process so that we didn't get off into the weeds and questions and uh cross-examining directors on uh I don't know the price of eggs in China and their egg department or whatever, things of that nature.
28:39And uh so far I think it's worked pretty good.
28:43Um we've had a few questions, and you're welcome to ask questions, but really we we wanted to get a good first look, a good presentation.
28:52We've got some decisions to make.
28:54I when people ask me, you know, what kind of budget are we looking at?
28:59I just tell them it's gonna be a challenging year.
29:01It's going to be a challenging year.
29:04I think what Councilman Creel is, I think what I hear you're saying, we so we had a revenue uh workshop, and we went over the revenues and we said this is a beginning point for the revenues.
29:15That isn't the it's a beginning point.
29:17So I think what if I'm hearing you uh Councilman Creel, we we need to revisit possibly the revenue part at some point and make sure that we look through it and say, okay, did we think about this and increasing our uh what we pay for uh facilities or what we charge or what we discount or whatever that maybe those revenues can go up a little bit, and that's that's what I hear you're saying.
29:42So our revenue opportunities.
29:43I know according to the calendar, there was a subsequent revenue meeting that that we we didn't hold.
29:48So that's why I was just wondering if there was another one coming or have we addressed the revenue opportunities.
30:00Um vote both commercial and I know we have residential uh coming on board, but at the same time, I I think there's there's commercial development that I don't know if if we have someone out there soliciting these.
30:06I'll tell you another thing for revenue, and uh and I know it's it is we need a grant writer, a full-time grant writer.
30:13I mean, you got a neighboring city that is just killing it with the with with a full-time grant writer that we don't have.
30:20I think we missed the vote on a lot of uh uh grants um that that could that could help with uh, for example, uh chief efforts uh of camera system at downtown uh in at Lopez.
30:33I I truly think that there are hometown grants or there's grants out there, and if we had someone that was focused on them full time, even if we looked at it from a commission basis structure instead of a full-time person where you say you're under contract and we we pay them on a commission basis on how much money they bring in per grant.
30:53Uh uh, but that's not up for me to decide.
30:56That's up for legal and administration to.
30:58I just think we're missing the boat on some revenue opportunities that we can increase.
31:02I appreciate you have no idea.
31:05I appreciate the efforts of where you got us to in these numbers right here.
31:10We're still two million and some change away.
31:12And and I don't think that we have increased our revenue to is as much as we have decreased our expenses.
31:23You guys got in there and skinned the cat and got us from 84 to 79.
31:29But we're at 76 year over year, where I think it's it it we should task revenue generating departments and revenue opportunities to increase, and I I know I'm it it it's it's probably far out for me to say we need to do it as much as you've cut, but if we met in the middle, if if you met in the middle with increasing revenue and tasking those departments to meet in the middle, when you brought it down to 80 and you went up to 80, that's we were eight, eight million apart from our initial numbers, and now we're two and two and some change left.
32:08If you increase the revenue to meet right there and then task the the those it those revenue opportunities, I I think that's where we're we're missing.
32:17I appreciate what you guys did because I know it wasn't easy, and it and it's not uh for y'all to sit up here and and sit right here and tell us you're you're gonna do more with less is a huge undertaking and and on your backs, and and we appreciate it.
32:32But I think the other side of it is we need to look at possibly trying to figure out where we can raise revenue as well.
32:39That's that's simple.
32:42Thornton, any comments before we adjourn?
32:44Any other closing comments?
32:47All right, is there a motion to adjourn?
33:01I can do it now with that.
33:04I just I just forgot we've done the departments.
33:07Next, we're gonna have uh presentation by Mr.
33:11Is is the mayor gonna sit in?
33:23Again, thank you, Ms.
33:25I want to thank the directors, Mr.
33:32Thank you so much for being here.
33:41No, well, we have, but we still have a presentation from Mr.
33:46So that's what we yeah.
33:48Can we withdraw the motion?
33:50We hey if they want to go.
33:53Uh I withdraw my motion.
33:55With withdrew the motion to adjourn.
34:05Would you prefer to do it another day?
34:08We could, whatever your preference is at your presentation.
34:19Now we'll entertain that Marshall motion to I give you back my motion.
34:23Indian Gibber, thank you.
34:25Wait, before we do go, let them make a comment.
34:29Uh each of the council members have before you're working document.
34:34It's a live document, meaning it changes based on what you say, what you think you're in.
34:41The whole purpose of the document before you is we're establishing, we're proposing the establishment of a resort uh development style development in East Biloxi.
34:52The purpose of that is that we're we know that what has been happening in East Balexi has not worked for the last 20, 30 years.
35:00So if there's a walkthrough guideline, look at it.
35:04When you come next time, we're doing this.
35:06You have any questions, outline what you your questions are.
35:10Wayne and I'll be glad to address them.
35:12We'll work ourselves through it.
35:16It doesn't answer all of the questions.
35:19It is a working document.
35:21It's the framework of what we plan to do, what we're proposing to do.
35:26There's a motion by Mr.
35:33All in favor of adjourning.
35:35It's approved on a 7 0 vote.
35:40Thank all of you who stuck around today to listen to this.