Good afternoon, everybody.

Good afternoon.

I haven't done the gavel.

I like that.

I could whistle.

All right, thanks for attending this afternoon.

Uh call the meeting to order, please.

Um I'll run through like I have in the past uh team names of who's on the committee, and we can identify who's not here.

Uh start with Mr.

JP Gallagher.

There's myself, Andy Durkin is here, Paul Babb, Tammy Burke, Karen Burns, Chris Kellogg is not here today.

Uh McKinsey is here, Julia Crane is here, Jim Cambich here, Jim Keenan, Kayla Lappin, is Johnny, there you are, Johnny McLean, Bob Morris.

Uh Stephanie Sereni told me she might make it, she's an Anaconda, so she's not here yet.

Kelly Sullivan was out all most of the day today.

I didn't see her, so I don't know if she's out today.

Hattie Thatcher.

She may be here later.

Todd Trigidja, Todd's not here.

And Sarah Border.

For some reason you're always last on my list.

Sorry.

Save the best for last, Sarah.

Um for starters last week's minutes.

I made some comments.

McKinsey had 'em.

I wanted to clarify my comments.

Excuse me.

Um last we were talking about traffic last week, and I had mentioned that uh during construction that they built a construction road in order to supply so people can get to the work site.

And while they're doing the construction road, they were working on the main road and putting in the utilities like the water line, etc.

Um, along the easement.

The construction road is west of RP, Rhoda, Stoffer, whatever you want to call it.

I call I refer to it as RP.

And that road is still not paved.

And it goes from uh um German Gulch Road up to basically REC.

And then the pavement ends right about the corner where you turn into the REC parking lot.

From the REC parking lot down along the east side of RP is paved.

And that's where the primary can um traffic activity occurs.

So I just wanted to clarify that 'cause I think it was mis it was miswritten in the uh minutes.

So um any other comments, questions on the minutes from last week.

Thank you.

Second.

By Mr.

Cambridge.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Thank you.

Um but John's unable to attend tonight for whatever reason.

And so um we have a copy of that report from John that we'll just email.

Maybe we can discuss it if we we'll have to we'll have to talk about our process for next week.

Um the idea is to go through the slides that we have so far tonight, and then whatever is left, there may be some gaps still to fill and uh find out whether whether we decide as a team to finalize these slides again at a meeting like this next Tuesday or not, we'll figure out by the end of the meeting.

Does that sound fair?

So the the slide deck, I don't know how everybody has a copy of the slide deck.

Were we going to present at this have another show on at this time or not?

Do we have it?

I don't know if we but essentially the slide deck um I was talking to Mr.

Gallagher earlier tonight about the process for how this would work, and we're on the com we're on the agenda for next Wednesday's council meeting.

And the intent is that we would present the slides that we have at that meeting.

So likely I will probably lead the presentation process and pull in my experts on power.

That'd be Mr.

Morse and taxes, Mr.

Durkin, most likely, if you're able to be here next Wednesday, either you or Todd.

But um Todd Todd's bird mom's birthday is tonight, that's why he's not here.

I think I think we can power and taxes just aren't my bailiwick.

I'm not afraid to say it.

Um so far, and and I briefly looked at the slides earlier today with Kayla.

Um the end the idea we I mean we've gone through this over the south several past several weeks regarding um all the topics that we have to address.

So, you know, the big ones, of course, power, water, taxes, and labor, and we have the environmental impacts, um, noise, uh traffic, lighting, etc.

We have information from the schools, um, and and then at the end we'll come up with a conclusion on on uh everything we've done.

Um we even have a spot in here.

We'll if people are providing us questions that we get throughout the this process, whether the questions are online or they're here at these meetings, we'll address the questions that that we can.

Does that sound fair?

Uh were we gonna show the slides or is it just we just oh okay.

So I w to we'll just start going through the slides again.

They're a draft format, um, open for comments and questions, mark them up, make the comments um that we need.

Um the uh the order of which so far is uh how it's set up and I think um we had talked about making sure that the titles match with what's in the on the outline.

So we have a mission statement, we have a list of our members, we have a list of definitions, um personal interactions with data, we have the park, taxes, power, water jobs, environmental impact, community impact, community comments questions and conclusions, um, and a reference to the to the websites are available.

Um the the mission statement hasn't changed.

So if nobody has any comments, I'll just go by pass right past it.

The committee members, um if you want to change have any of those, Mr.

Gallagher, I would expect you can mark it and provide a comment to uh McKenzie, please.

Um the slide, the fifth slide is the definitions of like what is data.

Um data's digital information that is created, stored, processed, transmitted by computers.

Do we want to say by computers?

Do you want to say by electronic devices?

Do you want to?

Because it's also by phones.

I mean, so just make a comment that it's by all sorts of things, right?

What's the right word?

Yeah, right.

So we're and that's that's kind of where I am, and I want to make sure that what we what's in here um, yeah.

It's it's all that, right?

It's computers, it's cell phones, it's smart TVs, it's it's all electronic devices, right?

That are tight that are tied to the network yes, Mr.

Yeah.

Mr.

Chairman, I think um in our IT training with Pete Silver Beau, we learned terms like the Internet of Things.

Yep.

Um so maybe there's a term that we can pull that pulls all those things together because data's created by every smart device that you have, your refrigerator, your microwave, you know, not just your cell phone, your tablet, your computer.

So maybe there's a term we can come up with that captures all of those.

Um I can research that if you'd like.

Sure.

I'd appreciate that.

If you look at the industrial Internet of Things, I I O T.

Um, so data can include things like or such as, I think we need to have those kind of words in there, right?

Because we're not gonna get all inclusive, but it's text, emails, documents, numbers, financial records, utility data, images, video, audio, software, and applic, and apps, right?

Um examples of everyday data, medical records, lab results, online baking, credit card transactions, photos stored on phones.

It's actually photos stored on the cloud.

Whatever the cloud is, right?

The cloud's not a real cloud, the cloud's a data center.

Or they could be stored in both places.

So it could just be photos, right?

Photos and videos.

Um school records, emergency response systems.

Um the list probably can go on and on and on.

So I don't know how if we need to belabor that or if it makes a point of these are examples of everyday data.

We don't have to list them all.

Questions, comments?

Mr.

Bab.

Mr.

Chair, I wonder if it would be if we could maybe just take five minutes to make sure that we get the slides up so that the public can see what we're talking about.

I'll fire a couple of questions your way.

Johnny and Tammy.

Um you gave me an email on information from tech.

We could probably take your email and put it into a slide if you recall the email you sent.

Yeah, that would be fine.

Okay.

Tammy, did you have a slide from last week?

Um I did, and I sent it to the case.

She hasn't, okay.

She has it, and I think she put it in here and yeah.

We'll just make sure that the schools are represented in the final appreciate both what you both put together for me.

Appreciate both what you both put together for me.

Sure.

Is it in there?

Okay.

I just wanted to make sure.

Seems like somebody was on a boondoggle last week.

Have you guys had a chance to look through the slides?

Any questions, comments ahead of time while we wait.

Brian.

Hi.

Yes.

Sorry, not unsurprisingly, I I have a question.

That's okay.

So um you know, because jobs have been such a back and forth issue.

I'm I'm looking at the job slide.

Um, and I do see there's more of a breakout in this slide than um than in some of the others, which I'm I'm happy to see because I think that has caused part of the confusion um of when you say 200 jobs, is it like at the end of build out, is it after the first phase?

So um I'm I'm I'm I'm glad to see that there's uh a more of a breakout of um delineating um what are considered permanent SABE jobs and what are considered permanent on site support um and that also that it's about 200 megawatt campus for the 200 jobs is what I'm seeing.

So it's not the first phase of 50 megawatts.

So but the first phase 50 megawatts is I think what's referred to often as the project that that is coming first.

I'm wondering if if that project, if that you know, jobs breakdown could be also offered.

Um because whether we're not sure that the other phases would all get built out, but if they were to exercise that land option, for sure they'd work on the 50 megawatt phase.

Um and so I'm wondering if that part could be um a little clearer.

But I I'm very happy to see the other breakout uh is very helpful.

Um I got to talk to somebody who is a project manager at a co-location data center, and he actually project manages for several smaller um and he works remotely.

So I just wanted to point that out that that is a a data center job, but he is not in the community that he is serving.

So I I just want um that to be something that is understood that that is a model for other data centers.

It is not a SABI data center that he works for, but it is a way that some data centers do business, and um we need to be aware of that.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chair, and Sarah, um I will say when I did talk to um Sean at the Quincy Data Center, I think the reason why it's so difficult to define the jobs is because he did say it's very dependent on the clients who are in the data center.

So depending on the particular client, that's gonna result in a specific number of jobs.

And so they're not trying to be shady about the number of jobs or misleading in any way.

They just don't know until the clients are there.

So if that's helpful to the community or or to anyone just to know that it's just very undefined until the clients are in there.

Yes.

Yeah, thank you for that.

And I talked to Maria this morning at SABE because I was kind of asking her about this job breakdown.

Um trying to understand I've got a ton of plant experience, right?

So control rooms and maintenance and operations, etc.

Um, just for what she has for quin for their sites, they have a site in the what you call the Columbia site.

70 megawatts has 140 employees.

And then their Quincy site is 200 employees at 123 megawatts.

So if you take that as the go by 70 megawatts of at 140, if we say, well, what's 50 megawatts?

It's gonna be something, you know, between 100 and 140, right?

And I think you're right.

I think it depends who 10 the tenants are, who they are, what they are, how you know what they require.

I think there's a lot of agreements between SABI and their tenants that come in.

I'm also gonna assume there's a lot of uh non-disclosures and secrecies on who some of those tenants are.

And there's it is what it is.

I don't think there's you know, if it's military or Netflix or medical, right?

But I I think you're right.

And and so I talked to her, and I've talked to somebody else about who had been in some data centers about uh, you know, they have reception, they have receiving in case they buy parts and pieces or shipping for shipping in and out.

Um they have uh control room, they actually call it a sock center.

Perfect.

Um course, and they're 24-7.

They have people on site 24-7.

Now whether they actually uh have their own security or uh contract out security.

I I got a feeling that I think she told me that you typically contract that out.

But so yeah, if as the and the build out as it goes will be change head count as it grows.

And probably the same with construction as well, depending on where they are with construction.

Yes, sir, Mr.

McLean.

Yeah, thank you, uh Mr.

Chair, and you know, Sarah brings up a great point.

I think it's important to think about this in kind of a phased approach to understand the jobs.

It it makes me wonder are some of the other estimates that we've talked about, like the water usage and so forth.

Are those estimates for the whole project or are those estimates for the first phase or some combination of those that first phase?

Uh Mr.

Chair, um Chancellor McLean.

The uh power consumption is for the the full build-out phase, the numbers I've done, and as is the water consumption for for a 200 megawatt facility.

Great.

That makes sense.

Um and it's good to know the full impact of the full project for water and power.

I guess if we're if we're gonna break break out the jobs impact into stages, we should probably break out the water and the uh the power impact by stages as well, just to keep the our data consistent one way or the other.

So either either the full project all across the board or phase project across the board so that our data are consistent.

What do you guys think?

Because of if the full numbers are good, and and we're not we're gonna be estimating those um phase pro numbers.

I mean we can divide by four or divide by how many phases are there?

Four that go fifty at a time at to two hundred.

Yes, Ms.

Burns.

Mr.

Chairman, I would I would recommend that we go all the full build out and talk about that.

I mean it's easier for us to talk about what it could be at full build out for consumption of resources and for also for the jobs.

And it also can help us with the tax question.

I think I'm looking at my tax friend over here, Mr.

Durkin.

But when we we try to guess on the property tax kind of calculation based on what would be there in the first phase and how much would be evaluated at January 1st, and those are we're making lots of inceptions when we try to figure that out for the tax impact, but if we look at it as an entire project and say at full build out, this would be what the tax implication would be.

So I think we can I think we should go with full build out all the way and then have those maybe footnotes, you know, that it would be phased over time.

And it would be ramped up, so we understand.

But that's just what my thought.

I don't know what anyone else thinks.

The other real quick before I before I let you go, um, but I like your comment that we that we put things all on similar terms.

So if we're talking uh gallons per day versus gallons per month or gallons per year, I'd like to make sure we we do have the terminology that all lines up.

Ms.

Bordoon, you got your hand up.

Okay.

Um well Chair Sullivan and um back to the idea from Ms.

Burns, then um Director Burns, if we're if we're saying it's for the if our numbers are for the whole build out and we're staying consistent for that, then I think the timeline of that 10 years, I believe, is what should also be referenced that you know, when when SABI starts building that we're not getting 200 jobs when that is completed, that is and because that has impacts on housing planning and tax planning and et cetera, you know, so that we stay consistent in the promise of the economic development and what pressures that might bring to our communities.

Thank you.

That works.

Yep.

Yep.

Good good call.

Thank you.

We had a slide up there.

Do we still have a slide?

I don't want people to see me talking.

Can people see it?

Do we have people online?

Okay.

Um so that slide is I that's where I am.

I wasn't sure if that's one I've already read or not.

So we'll just make doing de definitions, because throughout this process I got a lot of questions, people come up to me asking a lot of things, hit in the email, the website with a lot of questions.

So we thought we'd hit some of these definitions.

So what is a data center um and and some of these, I don't know if I want to sit here and read them verbatim, but but sometimes I read them out loud, it triggers the keywords.

And I want to hit some of those keywords in the event we we need to, right?

So um 'cause this one a data center is a secure facility, and I think that's a key point.

Um that there's a lot of security and a lot of you know, not just cyber security but physical security is important for data center.

Houses servers, network equipment, store, process and transmit digital information.

The backbone infrastructure of the digital world.

And uh we hit some of these areas where they support and uh likely everybody in this room uses multiples of these different bullets that are listed.

So internet, cloud, financial, healthcare, emergency communications, um, government, entertainment, travel, military uh good old Google maps, and any kind of cell phone use is what um data center support.

So what's cloud?

Cloud computing means data and applications that are stored on a remote server or a data center instead of on a single local computer or device.

So the cloud is a network of data centers.

Email, online banking, photo storage.

So we we get kind of repetitive, but that's what data is, right?

Um next slide is not all data centers are the same.

Um so this one is new to me.

Um so we have there we go.

Um enterprise is a type.

So it has internal organizational use, uh small scale dedicated users.

There's a co-location, a hyperscale, and an AI data center.

And then you have cryptocurrency.

So the data center being selected here is the I AI data center line item.

No.

Uh Mr.

Chairman.

Um my understanding is this the data center that's proposed for Butte Silverwood as a co-location data center.

Okay.

Yes.

Like I said, I hadn't read the slide yet, so Mr.

Chairman, do we want to maybe reference that?

Or highlighted in a different color so that it's noted that that's the kind that we'll be here.

I would think a different color would be great.

Yeah.

Mr.

Chair.

Um when I was making that slide, I was referencing all of the services that SABE currently has in their portfolio, but I can certainly specify it to be the co-location type that they're looking at for viewing.

Go ahead, Bob.

Yes, thank you, um, committee member Kaplan.

Um that's my understanding.

I think we need to confirm that with SABE.

So good.

Uh Mr.

Chair.

I'll reach out to Maria.

You got to confirm that.

You got the action.

Thanks, sir.

Mr.

Bepp.

Mr.

Chair, uh seeing that most of us we we've seen some of these slides, but th this is kind of new information tonight.

So I I think what we're gonna try and do is get this pared down so we have a a really good presentation that'll go to the council.

And just as a suggestion as we go through this, I think it would make sense that we talk about what was brought up at these meetings in regards to the power, the water, the taxes, environmental concerns.

And a lot of the information that are in these slides, I think could almost be as appendices.

But as we deliver this information, I think it's gonna be on SABI to come back with their development plan to really lay out what are the you know, how is this data center gonna fit into the connections park and answer those real detailed question questions?

The real meat is what we've talked about.

And if there's anything else that's supporting materials, we can get that down too.

Because I think it's gonna be a pretty long if it's any indication of the last meeting.

I think there'll be a lot of questions.

And I just want to throw that out there that we don't get too too into definitions and and stuff that we just have to do.

That's just my my opinion, and I'd like to hear what other folks have to say.

Go ahead, Bob.

Yeah.

Um Mr.

Chair, thank you, and um, thank you, Mr.

Babb.

Um we've got a lot of great information here, and but I look there's 30 sub slides.

Right.

And and uh I might suggest that there's really five or six key items that we need to focus on, each of which we could have one slide for.

So what I'd like to get to is a slide on water, power, environment, jobs, taxes.

There's five, and maybe we have maybe somebody else has a suggestion.

So I'm not keep these slides, but maybe what we ought to do is find those five key ones that we need to to hone in on, and then it becomes a very short presentation.

How much time is ID allowed?

How much time is allowed?

Uh Dina, is there a set time?

Chair, um there's no set time on presentations.

So it's chair would be no more than 20 or 30 minutes to be able to do that.

So that allows for council members to ask questions about the so we can have these as a as a an appendices or as a handout for these folks so they can have it ahead of time.

They can and it gives all the background information, all the definitions, what it's all about.

We'll focus.

I like that.

Okay.

I like I actually like that a lot, right?

To be able to just because over time we've had so many questions about you know what is a data center and what are they doing out there and what's the noise, right?

Thinking it's you know comparative Bitcoin.

Um so do we we could just highlight which ones are gonna be background slides and which ones we're gonna present and focus on the ones we present?

Do we Mr.

Chair?

If we had this available at least on the website for the public so they could see all of the slides with our the rest of the repository of all of our other information, maybe that's we could have that there in case you know there are questions that might answer some of their questions prior to coming to the meeting.

And then pull out, make another file for the slides that we're gonna present that come out of the main presentation for file.

Just a suggestion.

It's a good suggestion.

Mr.

Gallagher, yes, sir.

I was just a question.

So you can send out the all the slide called presentation.

So we had slides and if like we talked about prior with uh Montantech and Highland College, if those are slides we want to present or have those background information.

Um the information we got from Miss Sullivan and Miss Sereny last week on BLDC and chamber, we can have those as backup slides, background addendum, all these definition slides.

And so we'll we'll get into the meat of the matter.

I think uh um part Ted TED slides.

I think the TED slides, what do you think?

They'd be background information that uh Todd worked on.

Okay.

So really we're gonna hit the meat of the matter of those the big four.

The nod in my head was yes.

Sorry, I realized we're not on video.

Oh, you're nodding your head, yes.

Okay.

Yes, Paul.

Mr.

Chair, I think it is important though that there is a slide that shows where the data center is located so that everybody can see where it sits on that property.

Because we have a map for that.

Yep.

Okay.

So I think that's slide number 13 currently.

Is that what you're referring to?

So the verbiage.

If this would be this is a slide we want to keep or present, I guess is a better word for for the council.

So they're currently under purchase sales agreement with Pizza Rebo, 606 acres.

Um in the TED includes inspection period, which allows AB to conduct due diligence, evaluate feasibility, and decide whether to proceed.

That slide looks good, yes, Ms.

Burdoon.

Um Chair Sullivan, may I suggest that we put in the end date for that new six months on the land sale option on that slide?

Do you have a date we could add later?

Do you have it?

I'll get that added in, Mr.

Chair.

Thanks.

Um due diligence slide.

There's a slide there that's blank with that, maybe add photos, we don't have anything for it.

Um due diligence slide can be addendum.

Um we didn't want to we want to keep moving forward.

So uh slide 15, we said 15 would be an addendum.

16.

So you can show go ahead and show 15 then 16 talks about the TED, so it could be addendum.

Okay.

We could we could talk about this while we're showing the map, is what you're saying.

Yep.

So it's an addendum.

Slide 17, addendum.

Those are talking points on the map.

Okay, yeah, we'll do.

Sorry about that.

Did you guys 17?

Same thing.

Yeah, I think so.

Okay.

Uh slide 18.

We need to keep slide 18 and maybe add a few things to it or add another slide.

I concur taxes is a major item.

Yeah, I agree.

I might suggest adding a slide that just kind of shows based on that full build out what those property taxes might calculate out to.

I can put that together.

Do you have it?

Yeah, can you do that?

Questions on this slide, comments on 18 with taxes.

I got a tax education today from Kayla, so you like it the way it is.

Uh you'll add, you'll get a slide 19 to just say you'll get a new slide to McKenzie.

Slide 19?

Right?

No, sorry, go back.

Sorry.

Go back.

Yeah, back 19, that one.

So hang on a sec.

So part if I look at the the um the outline where you are.

So we'd hit the park first, taxes second.

Now we're at power.

Sound good?

So for the power slides.

You like this one?

This is a good one.

Yes, Mr.

Shar, I recommend we keep uh slide nineteen.

And you think one slide for power works for you guys?

Yes, I might have another, but this this tells pretty much the whole picture.

We'll have talking points behind it.

Correct, yes.

Okay.

Mr.

Chairman, I um and maybe Mr.

Morris.

Would it make sense?

And maybe it's just discussion points as we go through, but to describe what a PSC docket that would evaluate maybe a large load tariff or what that looks like, who the interveners are, what information is evaluated, just so that we kind of reiterate that it's much more than we'd be looking at here at a silver boat level.

Uh yes, I believe I believe we can, and maybe Mr.

Babb can weigh in on that.

But I can we we can provide another slide on the there is a lot of rigor at the PSC.

It's it's uh it's uh you know, it's like uh legal proceeding and very involved.

Go ahead, Paul.

And uh Mr.

Chair, uh Mr.

Durkin, I I I think it would be difficult to come up with the what ifs we have the large load tariff statement, and it's a regulatory process that is gonna and Butte Silver Bow is weighed in on that.

And so I don't know how we describe that in a way that would be understandable.

I get I guess I'm almost thinking just saying this process the the evaluation of the electricity and energy usage process moves forth towards the public service commission and various interveners, including Montana Environmental Information Center, the Montana Consumer Council, uh, you know, Northwestern Energy, SABI, large customer group, all sorts of different parties will be have an interest in in that proceeding.

Right.

And we really wouldn't understand that until we would have a large load customer that would go to the public service commission with us to propose that large load tariff.

Okay.

Um and who would, you know, anybody could intervene.

Sure.

Uh Mr.

Chair, um I I can put a slide.

I what I'll recommend is I'm gonna split this slide into two.

I'll take the Northwestern Energy large load tariff off.

I'll make a second slide and I'll put some of that definition there that you're asking about, Mr.

Durkin, and and so to highlight it.

And and we're not gonna know for sure, but but the same players pretty much show up every time.

So you can I can make a pretty good estimate on who would who would be there.

And there's gonna be a lot of visibility on this.

I mean it's not it's not gonna get swept under the rug by any means.

It's a state law that's listed there, and the the large load customer and the utility are required to go in front of the PSC if this uh project moves moves forward and in through the rate base.

So I think it's important to bring that up because that is a people have asked a lot about are there guardrails on this?

And absolutely there are.

Montana is unique uh uh unique in that that we have a law on the books that protects the ratepayers.

Thanks, gentlemen.

Mr.

Chair, um I don't know if we need to, but I I do think we should include the total megawatts, and maybe Mr.

Morris can explain that a little bit better.

But I have it on the job slide, but I think it would be better coming from Mr.

Morris to just sort of say like the first phase is the 50, if that makes sense, or I don't know, however, we want to deal.

I'll let Bobby.

Yeah, Mr.

Chair and Ms.

Lappen, yes, I can I can add that.

Um it's in some of my backup documents, but it's uh it's such an important item.

I'll add it to this slide.

Thank you.

Anything else on power for this conversation?

Good.

Thanks.

Next topic would be water.

So slide 20.

Yeah, you're on it.

Um yeah, this do you want this slide?

Go ahead, Miss Burke.

I think this is a really good slide um for explanation purposes, but maybe we need to add a title.

Just for clarity at the top.

Oh, yeah, it's off to the side over the tar over the uh the verbiage, but it doesn't stand out as a title.

Right.

So the the previous one said, you know, says the Montana connections data center you electricity use, maybe have a similar box with water use.

Now you're getting into format, right?

So you know, do we we have headers on every slide and have them all consistent?

Good comment.

Yes, we will.

Yeah.

Um as far as this slide, this slide indicates um the Silver Lake system as a as it comes out of the the two lakes actually up above for twin and storm lengths feeding into the creek bed.

And then as it hits the um the dam, the where the arrow is is the dam.

Is that correct?

Verb lighting the Mr.

Chairman, yeah, that's the location of Meyer's diversion where we take water off of Warm Springs Creek and put it into the pipeline.

Right, right.

That's Meyers Dam, correct?

Yeah, okay.

So there's at that where the arrow is where it splits.

Then the pipeline feeds into the um the TED park area as well as to MR.

And then the other small users that are along the way we talked about with regards to the Mr.

Chairman, that's correct.

Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a busy slide, but I tried to combine about four slides into one there.

So I can simplify it if if the committee thinks that we need to.

I uh yeah, I I we'll see.

Mr.

Morris.

Uh yeah, Mr.

Chair and Mr.

Keenan.

I've and I've also duplicated some of this information on slide 22.

So if we could go to slide 22.

So I think uh Mr.

Keenan and I can get our compare notes.

So the upper right hand portion of that slide is a chart that shows a very simplified version of what my Mr.

Keenan's map shows that shows the industrial and potable water.

So what we can do is this is duplicate information, but I on this slide I do do include the design of the uh data center cooling system and the estimated annual use that's not present on Mr.

Keenan's uh slide, and those were on pretty important discussion points.

So I think what Mr.

Keenan and I need to do is put our heads together and merge this into maybe I think there's three or four slides on water to get it down to maybe two, something like that.

As long as it's uh visible for you know, because it it's on this yeah, and so these are too busy.

Some of the text on that previous one is pretty small.

Yeah, so um agreed.

We need we need to simplify it so it's easy to read.

Um I like the map because people know you know Silver Lake Anaconda to Butte.

But I like I like the process flow down.

So what I would suggest then, Mr.

Chair, is that we just take Mr.

Keenan's slide, put put title on it, and then I can eliminate that duplication on this slide here.

Then you should then we have it at one spot.

Okay.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, I do think it's really important for us to include information or a slide um like that um in the little box there that says Butte's water systems are independent.

I think that that was a big question, um, and it still kind of is.

Uh and if we've described Silver Lake, how it works, it's the industrial water source, but I think we really need to clarify and make sure we put it front and center that they are two independent systems.

And so I I would say we keep that slide as a separate slide, and I think it's worthy.

That's my opinion.

On on this slide, Bob, Mr.

Morse.

The the second line item talks about sixteen million gallons per year.

And then you go down, and then you get into two and a half million gallons per day.

And I just didn't know if we want to put any kind of parentheses to sh to match up those usages to show that if it makes sense or not to show what the first day versus year ends up being.

Okay, Mr.

Chair.

If you could uh go back to the previous slide number 21.

Okay, so that this is Mr.

Keenan's chart, and the far right bar on the bar on the far right is the water usage in 2025, which is about an average of 2.5 million gallons per day.

So that's where I started.

That's the present average usage of the system.

And then what I did is I calculated the water use by the data center and and um the sixteen million gallons per year, which gets you to 2.54 million gallons per day.

So if we could go to the next slide.

Okay, and so in the middle left of that table on the left, it says average annual usage with the data center goes from 2.5 to 2.54 million gallons.

Uh and then the there was a question about what's this look like in the summer.

And so I had to do some work on that.

If you could go to the next slide, please.

This is the on the left side of this slide, that's the average temperature in Butte, Montana throughout the year.

It gets above 75 degrees.

That's the red bullseye in the left chart there for about 30 to 60 days in the summer for about four hours.

So that's when it's going to use the 16 million gallons in that red bullseye.

And if you do the math on that, then it shows the average summer consumption in the peak heat is about somewhere on the order of 300,000 gallons per day.

So that was a question from Commissioner Leary.

So what I'd suggest is I can I I think between Mr.

Keenan and I we can get this down to probably three or four slides that are very readable that show the difference between the um uh potable and silver lake, and then it shows the annual consumption before the data center and after and and the peak usage.

I think those are the key points to bring forward.

These slides are all uh um utility water, not potable, correct?

Uh Mr.

Chair, correct.

There is the the one map in the uh previous slide shows both the potable and the that map on the upper right.

Uh that shows both the potable and the industrial system and their average usage or consumption last year.

So that's there, there's a little bit of potable water, but all of the water usage at the data center that I've shown is cooling water, which is industrial.

Correct.

Mr.

Chair.

Um I think it would be helpful as we're trying to describe these numbers to the layperson to have a correlative.

And so if we're saying, okay, it's it could be up to 267,000 gallons per day during those that that peak window, and then basically no water usage the rest of the year.

Okay, I think everybody understands what no water usage means, but um it's it's it's difficult for me to un to visualize what is 267,000 gallons per day.

What is that what is that uh correlative to?

And so having some other kind of just an example, this would be similar to this usage, this type of usage for you know how many days did you say, Bob?

30 to 60 day to sixty days, and then the other 300 days of the year, basically zero water usage.

That that would be helpful for me.

You know, so I assume it would be helpful for other lay people.

Uh Mr.

Chair and and uh Chancellor McLean, yes, it it is, and and if you look at the average daily, it's about 45,000 gallons, but which is a mid-sized hotel, but there's not going to be an average day.

It's gonna be either a whole bunch in the summer or none.

So I will work on a on a real world example that we can wrap our heads around.

And and I think this is an important enough topic that if if we do more slides, just have more clear, it's okay.

Right.

I don't think we need to squeeze it all into to a few slides.

I think um I think these comparisons or equivalents are becoming very handy.

The key obviously is that utility these just utility water is separate from any kind of city water.

It's made for industry, it's in use with MR and REC and a few others, and it's in the park.

There'll be tie-ins that say we would have to do that, say we would pay for, right?

That SAB pays for the installation as well as the use, the gallons per minute.

Um key points that I think really needs to be, whether it's on the slide or part of our talking points needs to be real clear.

And Mr.

Chair, I would like to add that you know this is looking at the typical design, and we're gonna learn a lot more when we get the detailed design from SABE, and they will for certain have on-site storage of I don't know how much they can't afford to have you know have look to have say the industrial water system goes down, they're gonna have some on-site storage.

So I think what we need to do is look at these numbers, and my learning is that um the usage is well within the capacity of the industrial water system, it's gonna be peaky in the summer, and they're gonna have to design some, they'll have some on-site storage, and then you know it's up to Butte Silver Bow to decide how they want to structure the water use agreement, you know, to facilitate their their usage.

That's a good point.

They fill their storage up in advance, it alleviates the pain of usage.

And their usage is way, way, way below what the capacity is of the system.

Any more questions on water?

As far as water in, we can talk.

The next slide would be water out, and we we had the Metro gentleman showed up.

Um, Mr.

Gallagher.

Go ahead and talk loud, buddy.

Mr.

Chair, Mr.

Chief Executive Bob and I have been talking about that a lot.

Um, because in his initial presentation, he had a capacity of 25 million gallons a day.

And I was a little uncomfortable with just saying that implying that we can produce 25 million gallons a day from the Silver Lake water system, 365 days a year.

So it's just so many different variables that come into it depending on where you're standing on the pipe, the bigger, you know, the the pipe closer to Meyer's diversion is bigger, and that was built to provide 60 million gallons a day to the smelter, and then the pipe gets smaller, and then there's water rights issues and reliable yields.

So trying to come up with a number that everybody's comfortable with.

I I think Bob and I settled on saying that it has a 25 million gallon per day maximum capacity, and I think he has that on one of his slides, and uh I think I'm comfortable with that as well.

Go ahead, Mr.

Morris.

Uh Mr.

Chair, Mr.

Keeney, if you could please uh display slide number 21.

This might help uh help us get our our brains calibrated on this.

That's the bar chart with the ball the daily average water consumption.

Slide number 21, I believe.

Yeah, that's it.

Okay.

So the the bar on the right is 2025.

We average 2.5 million gallons per day.

Okay.

And then we know that on average, the data center is going to be .04 million gallons per day, but we know there's not an average.

But in the summer, it we we just looked at could be 300 or 400,000 gallons a day.

So that 2.5 for two months of the year might go up to 2.8.

So just a little bit.

But now go back to the big taller bars in the middle chart.

That's 2013 and 2014, and we pulled 8.5 million gallons a day.

And so we're we're not getting anywhere near that.

And the comment at the top says no withdrawals from storage required.

So, you know, so there's there's still plenty of capacity in the system.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr.

Keenan.

Mr.

Chairman.

Mr.

Chairman, Mr.

Morris.

No, I agree.

I think that our capacity in the system is well above that eight million gallons per day that we're able to produce just from our direct flow rights on Warm Springs Creek without using any of our storage.

Um for example, last year we met all of our users' needs, and we also outside of our water service agreements discharged 940 million gallons into the creek for for fish under contract with the state of Montana through the NRDP.

So that gives you a little bit of sense of that extra capacity that we have.

We don't use his traditionally even use or normally use our storage, but last year we did, and we provided about 58 years worth of data center use to the to the creek for fish habitat last year.

And another point that I think.

Was that just during a certain period of time?

Like when we were in the middle of the year.

Well, there was over 47 days between July 10th and 47 days after that, whatever the day, whatever the date was, but we discharged from Silver Lake last year.

And we've done that a few times in the almost 16 years that I've been around.

We did it in 2017, 2019, 2021, and 2025.

But those are not agreements that we have in place, so we have to do that every year.

We can kind of do that as we're approached if we have the water.

But just to provide some context on capacity, that was all water that we discharged over and above what we're required to provide for our industrial users.

And earlier today, just to make another point or a correlation for Mr.

McLean.

Um I asked our meter reader to provide me all of the copper mountain reads for the past five years.

I added them up right before the meeting and averaged them.

That's about 16,716,000 gallons a year that we provide to the Copper Mountain Sports Complex from Silver Lake, but that's coming off the Silver Lake water system with meth metro's effluent reuse project.

So the neglect the change is going to be negligible with the data center over what we're currently providing from the from the Silver Lake Water System once that Metro effluent reuse project comes online and we'll be irrigating Copper Mountain without water rather than Silver Lake Water.

So Mr.

Chair, Mr.

Keenan, I have a question for Mr.

Keenan.

So you said about 16 million gallons a year, which is about what the data center will use, and this is for the Copper Mountain Complex.

So is that is that a good enough example for Chancellor McLean that that's about what uh you we we're watering a sports complex.

Yeah, Mr.

Chair, Mr.

Morris, I that's a great example, and and actually understanding now that we're because of this uh is it called an effluent reuse project?

Mr.

Chairman, Mr.

McLean, that's correct.

I don't know everything about the Metro operations, but I know that's one of their projects, and uh chief executive could probably tell you more about it than I could, but I think it's scheduled to be online later this year.

So what I'm understanding is again uh uh I'm gonna play the part of a layperson.

What I'm understanding is we are reducing the amount of water coming out of Silver Lake because of this effluent reuse project by about the same amount as we would add with a new data center, so they would cancel each other out, which would make basically mean there's no change to the Silver Lake water system.

Is that what you're saying?

Mr.

Chairman, Mr.

McLean, that's correct.

I think maybe the chief executive has something to add as well.

That's absolutely correct.

So I'm not sure.

His mic's not it's not working.

Here you go.

Sorry.

Um that's absolutely correct.

So we've we've gone through a project where we have ran affluent lines to be able to use the affluent for watering parks.

It'll also come online for uh Stoddon Park as well.

So it'll be a reduction.

It's Staden Park, we use well water there.

So it's that that won't affect it at Stoddon.

But uh up at Copper Mountain, we do run the water from Silver Lake up to Silver up to the ponds up there, and then we irrigate out of the pond.

And so with the new affluent line that we put into there, we will be using 16 million gallons of affluent a year, hence putting 16 million gallons back into the Silver Lake system.

But it will have redundancy.

If we ever had to use Silver Lake again, we'd be able to still be able to connect into um Copper Mountain to fill those ponds as well.

So we have redundancy there, but the intent will be to bring affluent into the park.

Good discussion.

Um I guess we could talk later if we need to have any of this in the slides or as a background information.

Or do we just kind of stick to this this Silver Lake water system?

I think it gets complicated if we start talking this system's coming on, it's pretty minimal impact of what you use for sprang.

And it's a but it's a good impact, it's positive.

Which is really cool.

Thank you.

Yes, Mr.

Mr.

Chair, I yeah, we don't need to explain that system, but I am gonna use that the 16 million gallons a year is what it takes to water the the fields, which is what the data center is a great example.

Yeah, good.

Yes, Jim.

Yeah, Mr.

Chairman, if I have uh fear to take your network.

Okay, there we go.

Uh I had Jim I inquired to Jim Keenan to have him have the water system give another analysis, which is a great comparison if you'd provide that with us again today on the on the what a what a hotel would use on a daily basis.

Mr.

Chairman, Mr.

Kamich, yeah, at one of the previous meetings, Mr.

McLean asked for a correlation between what 44,000 gallons a day would look like.

And thank you, Karen.

And uh so I asked chat GPT what uh to give me an example of of uh of a user that would use about 44,000 gallons a day.

And it said uh a good estimate or a good approximation would be a hotel with a hundred rooms, laundry service and a restaurant would use about 44,000 gallons a day.

So thank you.

Yes, Ms.

Lappin.

Mr.

Chair, and just to clarify the 16 million gallons a day is that full build out.

Is that correct?

Okay, just wanted to make sure that's full build out.

So first few years we're probably gonna be seeing less than that.

Like that chart's not gonna shoot up to 16 million.

And it's not million gallons a day.

I meant million gallons a year.

I apologize.

Sorry.

16 million gallons a year at full build out.

Kind of beat that to death.

But that's why we're here.

Any other comments, questions?

So I think what we'll do is is uh Bob uh if you can kind of we'll get with Mr.

Keenan and and uh kind of hammer through these slides.

Uh it's it's fine if there are more slides if it's more clear.

Um I like this slide.

It shows that we've you know had an impact back in 13, 14, 15 where they had to use more water than it came but they got their system back in line and got back down to normal operations looks to be somewhere in that three million number.

And and not that we have to add it, but it could be a talking point, but the level of Silver Lake and the level of Georgetown, you know, has never been impacted for recreational purposes based on industrial water use.

All right, I can move on to Metro.

This slide here.

Um so we had the Metro guys here last week, I believe, or two weeks ago.

Two weeks ago.

Um and explained, you know, basically the the metro sys system that's out there, they could tie into it.

And it's gonna be used for kitchens and restrooms type activity.

There's no other no industrial use water, no industrial water is gonna go down the metro sewer line.

And to tie into the line for Metro, they need to have a permit with Buserbo, and they'll pay some type of usage fee year in and year out, is my assumption.

Fair?

Any comments on that slide?

Do we need it in do we need it to be displayed?

Versus an addendum.

Is it enough water comment that it needs to be shown?

I think it should be shown.

Yeah.

Mr.

Chair, would we add that maybe under environmental and just kind of hit metro and what other ones might fall in that category?

I think it would make sense to have an environmental I mean have it downloaded.

Okay.

Environmental.

Hit the hit the metro, hit the noise noise.

All that stuff.

I think that would flow flow well.

Okay.

Jobs, jobs, jobs would be the next topic.

Oh, yes, Ms.

Bordoon.

Quick question.

Um Chair Sullivan.

I was asked at the last meeting, should we have anything more on wastewater?

And um one thing because I know that um Bob Morris will present on the the cooling system, but of that, I guess the um, you know, the shipping away of the coolant a couple times a year, once a year, when whatever is decided, isn't addressed in that presentation, I believe, and nor do we have a slide stating that there would be waste taken from it is liquid waste um taken from by a third-party company, perhaps.

I could make a slide on that.

I um and because it may become a question, and the the other thing was, you know, since it is an evaporative cooling, but it's pretty massive at the time that it happens, like it's um many thousands of gallons of evaporative water um going up.

Um I guess there's a little bit of a question that I've heard of does that all truly evaporate or does it condensate down and um how is that dealt with?

Because um we're saying there's no discharge, no surface discharge, but in practicality, is that physically prop possible with that much water vapor um in an area and does it stay in the air?

Does it come down on the site?

I I guess we don't know the answers to that question.

SAB would have to answer to it.

Um so on the same discharge slide, I could say that SABE has to answer these questions for us, if that's fair for those who have talked to SABE.

Uh, you know, if if that hasn't been answered directly.

No, I think that's I think that's fair.

Um I know Bob's been talking to SAB.

Um we can add that to the discharge under the environmental side of slide and and if it's early yet in the design, um it'll have to come out as to what they are because they don't have any intentions of just discharging above ground, right?

Yes, Mr.

Morse.

Yeah, uh Chair Sullivan and uh Ms.

Borden, yes, I agree that's a great point to put in there.

We need clarification from SABE.

No no there's no public comment at this time.

Um so the next topic looking at the outline would be jobs.

We good to go um hang on a sec, Mr.

Mort, hang on a second, hang on.

Ms.

Burke.

Um I do have a question about the hourly starting wages and where this is the first I've seen of this, and I and I didn't speak um with the SAB representative about the actual wage.

If these are Washington wages, are they going to be consistent in Montana?

Um being a previous Boeing employee, those Boeing employees that in Washington make a little more than we did in Helena.

So I'm just curious.

It costs a little more to live out there too, right?

A little bit.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'll let Kayla if you could, Miss Lappin.

Yeah, Mr.

Chair, Ms.

Burke.

Um these figures came from a Montana Connections board meeting where representatives from SAB answered questions about what the starting wages would be, and this was what they reported that they would be.

Um I'm noting on this slide that I need to double check that 60 wet megawatt facility number.

It might be higher.

I need to double check that number.

So I'll I'll confirm that number with SAB.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Did you have something, Mr.

Morse?

Yes, thank you, Chair.

Um I I will get an answer to the uh blowdown uh discharge.

Oh, right, correct.

Thank you.

Um oh hold on a sec.

This jobs, um, yeah, like say a lot of people haven't seen it yet.

Um we're looking at 200 jobs, some sort of wage construction jobs.

Any any other comments on this slide?

And is it a keeper?

I think it is.

We need to have a jobs keeper.

Okay, next slide, please.

This is another one on jobs, so um kind of based on a little bit of a breakout um with the 40 to 60 permanent jobs and then the on-size four ecosystem 120 to 160.

If you add those up, you're somewhere between 160, 220.

Um, like say we've been saying 200 is what we've been told.

Uh expect 200.

Um, and then the construction could be up to 600 is what we've been.

Um and there would be a if this truly is a 10-year build out, it's gonna that that it's gonna be hard to predict what's gonna be happening year four, year six, year eight.

Okay.

Yeah, keeper back up background information.

What do you guys think on this slide?

Do we need uh?

Okay, we'll keep, we'll present comments, questions.

Next slide, please.

Um jump back one, sorry.

I didn't didn't realize you had one up there.

Mr.

Chair.

That doesn't yes, Ms.

Burke.

Um I think it is important on the the job slide to make sure to note that these are also lots of jobs in HVAC and electrical and so whoever presents just maybe make a note of that so that you know people are aware that this could definitely be a really nice impact on local businesses and the construction trades for HVAC and and those are the long-term, those aren't short-term construction jobs.

The HVAC and electrical and those types of things are long-term jobs that could be very meaningful for contractors, local contractors.

Um I talked to uh Maria at SAB this morning, you know, control room jobs, admin jobs, the maintenance jobs of being HVAC, right?

IE tech is what I was calling them based on you know they may have a different term.

So um we we could probably get a list of you know, we make those that list up the head count side of it is to be determined.

Ms.

Lappin, you'll kinda add that in the jobs figure out.

Yeah.

Okay.

Next slide.

That's different than mine.

So take it out already?

Okay.

Um so we hit the park, taxes power, water, jobs.

The big those are kind of the big topics.

Right.

Um environmental impact.

Um we had presentations and we've actually asked SABI to get some data, you know, get a uh get a meter and read the decimals, the DBs, you know, at the fence line, so we can actually have data.

I know people visited and said it was not noisy.

Um anywhere outside the building, inside the building is gonna be noisier and that is gonna require the proper BPE.

But from environmental impact, so we'll add that those.

I'm hoping uh she'd get me some data on what the decimal measurements are.

Um you want to pull that you want to pull that mic down?

As far as sound goes, too, we might not want to ignore any potential for backup generators or what that would look like just to be able to touch on that.

Um I'm sorry.

Sorry, Chair Sullivan, um, and Mr.

Durkham.

Um as a follow-up on that, maybe um SABE could provide what their testing schedule is for Quincy, um, because I know that you know, if they're 60 megawatts, there they would be close to that phase one.

It might be nice for neighbors to know how many generators, diesel generators, and how often those would be tested because that's a huge noise and emissions consideration for them.

Just to that, I think Save could answer that, but I know that they said that they are required to do a 30-minute test of it monthly on those generators.

So I think we could ask for what that noise is at the time that they test those generators as well and know that that it that it is that, but we probably need to verify that with uh SAB.

Thank you.

Could be similar to what REC does as well, because they have two big huge CAD generators that they run on tests on a regular basis.

Um lighting would be another topic.

You know, we don't just don't have it in here yet.

Um, but we talked about it last week.

So um you know, we can request down lighting as much as possible.

Again, their lighting will be less than um FedEx, for example, because they don't have the trucks driving day in and day out, night time.

Um, but they do have pretty stringent security requirements, and so they will have some lighting.

They'll what now whether they put lighting at the around the fence line to track, you know, that kind of thing, it's I you know we could talk to them, but there will be lighting and and we can request down lights and try to keep that down as much as possible.

Uh yeah, I was just going to say um our current businesses that locate in the industrial park now, um, they do are required to have down lighting and they do have some hoods on their lights.

Um and they you know we do work with them on that as they work through the permitting process.

Um and those are part of what they provide to us, those specs.

So it would be the same.

Thank you.

Questions, comments, lighting.

So we'll have noise lighting.

We'll have the generators for noise as well as uh discharge.

Um then we'll add the um metro under environmental any other environmental topic because there's community topic will be next will be housing traffic, unless you want traffic is environmental take care for as long as we hit it.

So again, I might might depend on slide room and space.

So the next slide would be community impacts, which would be the information you presented last week on housing, and we can put in the information that was presented on traffic.

And we can put in the information that was presented on traffic.

Correct.

Let's do that.

Anything new and exciting on housing and traffic.

I didn't think so.

And and those are keeper slides for presenting.

So slide 30.

Do you have something to share?

Sorry, we were actually thinking ahead that you could probably just get rid of this since it was noted in the other slide.

You think this would say it again, please?

On 30?

On we could probably just delete that slide because it's noted in the other slide.

The previous job slide.

Oh.

So it was all of those jobs were referenced in slide number 26.

So I think that number 30 is duplicative, and we could just eliminate that.

Oh, okay.

Do we w do we um I'm with you?

I guess I'm with you.

I'm with you.

Yeah, it could be supportive.

A supporting slide.

Yeah, and same with 31.

I would think that we could just have that as supportive.

Yeah.

So the next slide?

Yes.

Mr.

Chair, thank you.

Please.

So you think this is a supporting slide to talk about the schools?

Okay.

Even though I wanted to wear my digger hat and please do.

Okay.

You know.

I can't get over because when I I work for the other school west of here, east of here, I don't even know which direction it is.

Um and I get arguments daily with those guys, how much better the school is here than the school is there.

I can do that.

I can do that.

Okay.

Next slide.

So this one um.

Yeah, we have depending on how many questions, comments we've gotten v via website, and questions, comments that have been asked here at these meetings.

Um you have a compilation of those.

If if some of the questions have already been addressed through the previous slides, we won't we're not gonna list redundant questions if they have questions on power, questions on the big four, right?

So we don't have them, just not quite prepared yet.

But there's how many can you do have an idea roughly of how much we're looking at here?

Yes, Mr.

Chair, uh, we have around 50 questions, probably well, with the stuff that came on over the weekend, maybe 65-ish questions that have been submitted.

I've responded to about a quarter of those because some of them haven't been answered by the committee yet before, like as they were coming in.

So I anticipate that we'll get all of those answered ahead of next week's meeting.

But I do think it would, depending on what this body wants to do, I think it would be helpful as an addendum to the council to see what you know questions did come in and why I think we should attach those questions and then you know how we responded to them.

Or or the information on the committee.

So I do have all the emails that I sent folks, and and I could either attach those responses or I could uh what I sent you was that spreadsheet with all the answers that I went through and answered in there.

And most of I will say the 80% of them are questions that I just directed folks to information on the website or the slides I attached slides show presentations that kind of highlighted, so it's not like Kayla was in there pretending to know everything.

Um but I attach I referenced all of that.

So I I don't know if we just want a record to show that that's what we did or whatever this body thinks is appropriate.

Have you excuse me?

Have you been answering the questions that are and putting them on the website so they're visible?

I put some of them on the website, or Mr.

Chair, I've put some of them on the website, and I would I do think it would be appropriate.

Some of the questions we have omitted because they are inappropriate questions.

Um we have those ones will not be um on the website.

Chair I've put some of them on the website and I would I do think it would be appropriate some of the questions we have omitted because they are inappropriate questions um I get it yeah so we have those ones will not be um on the website um but I think I think the one that a lot of them are the same question that are answered so the way they've broken it out on the website is in different categories if you go in the FAQ section of the website you'll see there's water power um all of that and so I've been directing folks to those areas and then linked in those areas on the website are the presentations that this body has given um if that makes sense so how do you want to present so each each page has an FAQ it's it's laid out in an FAQ sort of section so you can click it and then it'll open up with the question if that makes sense Mr.

Chair um I I think it would be advantageous maybe that we send the commissioners the questions that maybe have been asked but I don't think that needs to be part of your presentation the presentation is going to be you know what this committee has done to answer the questions that have been presented to them but to go through every question that maybe has been presented I think they're gonna you're gonna end up in a in a full night presentation or something but I think that um we could have uh miss Lappen send the questions that have been sent so that that they know that we're addressing the questions that they've been re referenced to to the the website or how they've been answered or that you know like I said the or as Ms Lappin said the inappropriate ones I I think you emit anyhow that's um and there'll be a there'll be a handful of questions that you know because of the stage the design we don't know the answer I assume there's solos that is correct or they'll have to be they'll have to be referred to to uh say be answered at some time prior to whatever that answer is that is correct so so as far as slides to present then um on this topic is it just refer to the addendum that has been submitted to the council of the questions that we've seen that sounds fair okay yes ma'am far away Chair Sullivan I may have lost track a little bit but are you did you say also Kayla that that addendum of the same questions would be on the website or did I sort of lose track of how it's made public because the council gets the questions but does the public get the questions is my question.

That's a good question.

Mr Ms Bordoon ms Mr.

Chair I think we could do both so what I've been doing is sort of the same questions I've addressed them with like an FAQ on that individual like page for that category but I think what could be appropriate is you know uh an excel file of it would be a table essentially of how we answered them and what came in and we could definitely make that available to the commissioners and and on the website when it when it comes to the questions asked you've had questions asked via the website questions asked probably directly to you you you I know you maybe you probably not you two right probably you um so I think it gets real complicated on how to gather all these questions that have come in because I know Mr.

Morris has answered a handful of questions um very extensively and then in those question responses have forward them to McKenzie for record now whether they get um if they got to you or not if or if they or if they went from McKinsey to the website I don't know right so um we do we've we've received a lot of questions we've answered a lot of those emails and then submitted them to the you guys for record so we'll just have to try to make sure they're compiled Mr.

Chair um if anybody has received a question that hasn't been you know forwarded to me or something I do encourage anyone on this body to sort of forward that to me I will include it in the in the table it's getting dark in here Mr.

Babb, do you have a question?

Mr.

And so if I could just indulge the committee for a few minutes, is I think that the very first slide that is the ad hoc data center impact committee.

You know, I think that's where we should start off.

And then I think the mission statement is important.

And then I think we kick off with the map.

And then we step through, you know, the power, the water, the taxes and jobs should be together.

And then we get into the slide with the environmental impacts, the community impacts.

And then we have that last side that directs the you know any of the questions that have that have come up.

There's that slide right there.

Yeah.

And the other thing that I I think we need to do is we need to have McKenzie print up probably a hundred plus of these that the folks that are in the audience would have the opportunity to follow along as well as it presented on the on the screen for anybody that may have a difficult try time trying to follow maps, and then it's also something that every council member has.

Um any of the members of the audience that leave, they have that.

I think it would would help.

Um to people when we give that presentation that night.

So that'd just be a suggestion that I would throw out for discussion.

Mr.

McLean.

Mr.

Chair, I I totally concur with Mr.

Bow's suggestion.

I love that, and I and I like the idea of combining or uh co-locating the taxes and jobs slides because I think those go together.

I I do have I apologize, I I think I missed the meeting where taxes was uh were discussed, and I do have a comment on the taxes slide that I should have said a long time, you know, when we were on slide 18.

Um for power, water, and jobs.

We've been very specific about our estimated numbers.

But for taxes, unless I'm misunderstanding, it looks like we only talk about the 0.9%, but we're not estimating how many how much tax revenue we're we're going to bring in.

And I think that that is an important piece of information.

But again, I missed that meeting, so maybe it's been covered.

Yes, we um Mr.

Chairman, we did present that information.

Um speaking for Mr.

Durkin, he did a deeper dive into it.

I did present a high-level um information.

Um Mr.

Durkin, you know, worked through a more detailed um scenario, and we did present that information, it's just not included in this slide deck at this point, and so we we will include those those slides.

Mr.

Chairman, Mr.

Pearson.

Thank you very much.

And and I think it's just for consistency, just to have, you know, if we're going to this level of specificity with water, with power, with jobs, let's do the same sp level of specificity with tax with taxes revenue.

It's a good point.

Good call.

Good point.

Let me go back to you real quick.

Uh, did you you maybe Mr.

McLean as well?

Do you want to change the order of do you want to do power, water, and then taxes and jobs at the end of those four?

Did you I think that would flow better?

I agree.

I agree.

Okay.

You got that?

Okay.

I think so too.

Um that last slide uh has the links likely a keeper to put into the the final of the slide deck.

Right.

It's a lot of slides.

I mean it's a lot of information.

Is it a ton of information that you guys have gathered gotten together and put together for this effort?

Now the the uh I guess we already said it.

The slides could uh that Kayla or um Kelly and Steph put together will be an addendum slides.

Um what information?

What have I forgotten to ask you guys?

What question do I need to ask?

Where do we left?

Who's looking?

When's our homework due?

Yeah, good question.

So so pro and we may have to discuss this process wise, right?

But you need to have it to the council Friday.

Is that what I heard?

Go ahead.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, we've already scheduled the presentation on the council agenda, so it's already scheduled.

So we don't have to have anything into the council in addition at this point.

So we just have to be ready to present next Wednesday.

So they don't 7 30.

They don't need to have it ahead of time.

No, they do not.

So Chairman, I I would ask that maybe we send this in preparation ahead of time our slide deck to the council so they can have a look at it.

Not you know, it's just so that that it's it's given to them and then if it's on the um we have that available.

But I know we I I would just recommend we have that to them at a time, and we can adjust if we've made any any changes up till the time that we did that.

That's work.

Um since I'm new to the the council and the council meetings, is this an in-person meeting and are all of us going to attend to support this presentation?

Do you want me to answer?

Do you want to answer?

I don't yeah, I don't you don't have to.

Um I would ask at a minimum that I have Mr.

Morris with me to support on power.

I hate to do it to you, Mr.

Durkin.

Then my tax man.

Um I would probably have uh Miss Burns and Miss Lappin, if you can.

And I know you have family, so if you can't make it, you know your family's older.

Um Mr.

Keenan, if you could.

I think if you want, you'll be here.

Yeah, and I'd like for you to be will you be here, please.

Um I don't know.

Do you I you're here anyway?

What about you?

Thanks.

Um you plan to be here next Wednesday?

Yeah.

Okay.

So we will have slides.

I would I'd like everybody to get slide information to you to Kayla.

Today's Tuesday.

So give me a date.

Mr.

Chair, if I could request it by Thursday, that would give McKenzie and I time to hopefully get it out to everybody by Friday and not any any major changes we'd have Monday to update them with you know, Tuesday being the date where it hopefully is in a polished sort of state.

So we'll have two we'll have two files.

We'll have the big blown PowerPoint slide.

We'll have one that we're gonna present that's beared down.

We'll have a that big one will be an addendum, basically it'll be background information.

We have your two-page power document that you had prepared, which ought to be an addendum.

Any any other information do you think on you know you put together a ton of slides, a ton of pictures?

Do we need to have that as a as an addendum?

It doesn't hurt.

What'd you fix your mic?

Mr.

Chair, I would say that we need to have everything finalized because uh per the requests of uh Mr.

Babb to have these printed and ready to go.

Um it's not you know, we we probably won't do it in-house.

We'll probably send it out if we're gonna make that many copies.

So we probably need to get it to the printer so we no less all corrections done by like we said, get it to to them by Thursday, Friday.

We kind of look at it if there's any corrections, we can make those corrections over over that time, but Monday.

Tuesday Tuesday.

Oh yeah, Tuesday, we need to have and we'd send we would take it to the printers to get printed.

I would I would say so.

We need to have any corrections by Tuesday morning.

Do you guys all get that?

Capish?

Tuesday morning is final final.

Tuesday morning it goes off to be printed.

So if we can get it, if we can get everything we can by Thursday, that'd be helpful.

Good.

So next Tuesday evening, do we meet?

Or we pretty much if if it's printed on Tuesday morning, I can you can give me a day off.

Is it a holiday for me, McKenzie?

Um do you think I guess think?

You you're okay with I mean, it's probably no reason to meet next Tuesday.

Uh I move to cancel.

Yes, Tuesday's meeting.

Do I have a second to that?

Do I have a second to that one?

Yeah.

All in favor.

Um what about uh uh what have we got going on here?

It's 540.

So public comment.

Any any of the questions, comments on what we've got going on by the team.

Yes.

Yep, yep, yep, yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Maybe it's a black and white.

Chair Sullivan.

Sorry.

Um I when we do meet again, I would love to have um SAB by that time uh address a comment that um John Saby made in a Montana Connections TED board meeting in November that um during that time it was asked of him if there would be an environmental impact statement.

And um he said that they should have their primary environmental study done on the property in a few weeks.

He said that in November.

So I imagine something like that is probably back for them, and if there could be some comment from SABE on their environment environmental impact statement.

Progress.

Just for clarification, it is not an environmental impact statement.

That's a federal term that's ordered when you know certain funding sources are um being used.

Um they are doing a phase one environmental analysis, and um they have hired Pioneer Technical to complete that.

And so I'm not sure what state it's in, but we can definitely check to your point is yes, we could have a report back on that.

That's in progress.

That's it could be finished.

Okay.

I'm not sure, but we can check.

Okay.

All right.

Fire away.

Come on up to the mic.

Yeah, if it's on, there you go.

My name is Jay Cornish.

I live at 954 Caledonia.

In regards to that environmental impact slide, I know it's been dis discussed before, but I didn't see anything noted as to the disposition of any potential hazardous or solid waste, landfilling, recycling, et cetera.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks, Jay.

Hi, I'm Cindy Purdue Nolan, 20810 Hannibal.

I just wanted to ask if you could also include information to the public with regard to uh with water, uh, the closed loop system versus the other systems and the technology advancements.

Um I think the public could use that information about a closed loop and what that is and how that impacts uh how much water usage um will be necessary.

Thanks.

Thanks, Cindy.

Ms.

Chairman, uh members of the committee, uh Evan Bear at 807 West Silver Street in Butte.

Uh first let me compliment you on continuing to drive through this process.

Uh you've refined a lot of information.

Uh you've provided more details.

It's been very helpful to uh uh observe the process proceed.

Uh you know, it's never ever done.

It's never ever complete uh to everyone's satisfaction, but you've done a good job with that.

Um I wonder if uh uh it is not easy to read what you've been putting up on here from back here.

Uh and sometimes I even have trouble hearing it.

But uh and so I think it is uh it's important that uh what is being put onto this these slides is uh held in some somewhere, understanding that it'll keep being refined.

But if it's going to be refined till the very last minute, then uh folks are limited from seeing what is emerging.

And I certainly uh would hope to be able to have the availability to scrutinize the slides as they go through the refinement process.

We've got a whole uh week uh to see them come together.

So I hope you can find some way where maybe their post attempt on a site uh while they're being worked on, knowing that they will uh they will go through some changes.

Uh the last thing I want to mention is uh I must disagree with the uh statement that the smart thing to do when calculating uh jobs is to take the big number and then just say, well, there'll be a little less than that.

That we'll we're gonna we're gonna go with 200 and some instead of what is a sequential thing.

We have uh uh we have uh the company uh telling the connections board that they would expect probably this would take 10 years.

Maybe more, maybe a little less, but say it's gonna be 10 years.

And because it's on three separate parcels, it cannot be one project.

It's gonna have to be multiple projects because we'd have non-contiguous lots, and so there is uh been no planning for sequencing as far as I can see, and the passage of time, and uh I think it uh behooves uh be uh uh to uh to be pushed uh for the county to to push on SABE to come up with a sequential development process.

That's their business.

This isn't going to be done overnight.

Uh it's going to be done sequentially, excuse me.

I'm just don't have the timer, so you're at three minutes.

Well, what does that mean?

You're three minutes, that's all I'm telling you.

Well, it behooves the county to push on SABE to produce something that's realistic, not just a 10-year thing and a gross job thing, and we don't know how many separate things they are.

Uh, and I went through this process.

Let me let me uh for the I I gave this to the council last week, but not to you.

So I would like to uh maybe submit these comments if uh uh to to this ad hoc committee, and if you could copy them and distribute them to the committee, I would appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thanks, Evan.

I'm gonna put you on speed.

Uh Jamie Payne, 1900 Reynolds Avenue.

I just have an observation.

Um, as a technical writing graduate of Montana Tech, as you're going through these slides, I think it would behoove you to have a technical writer or a technical writing professor on your committee, because they are trained for consistencies.

They're trained to look for those examples that put things in layman's terms.

So it may be too late, but in the future, that's what I would suggest you do.

The second thought that I have is I have one question as to why the land agreement extension was presented to the council of commissioners before the ad hoc committee work was done.

I would think that you would want to have the ad hoc committee presentation first, and then the council decide on whether they want to extend that land agreement.

So thank you.

Thanks, Jamie.

Mr.

Chairman, uh, members of the committee, my name is Tom Malloy, 2901 Harvard Avenue.

Um we uh talked about today um might be addressed in the uh baseline environmental statement that's coming out yet.

But on uh the one slide, I believe it's your slide number 22.

Uh the title on that said minimal water use and no discharge.

Um discharge means zero discharge.

There are no runoff off the parking lots off the buildings.

That would be a zero discharge, no discharge facility.

Um this is not proposed, so that'll probably be addressed in the uh baseline analysis.

Um couple of other questions on water storage.

Um how much storage is on site?

Uh that could be significant.

If they need 10 days of water storage, if uh for any reason they got to run on generators uh for whatever reason, how much water are they planning on storing on site and how is that going to be done?

Um the other question on uh in waste disposal, and this will again come out in the analysis.

There's hazardous waste and non-hazardous waste.

Uh how's it gonna be stored?

Where's it gonna be shipped?

Uh these things are all foreseeable, and I expect they'll be quantified.

Umloy.

Robin Jordan, one thousand nine Placer Street.

Um just uh positive comment to you all and for all the hard work, but uh just to comment on slides with three or four of the that were bigger slides in other presentations.

I think for people to be able to see, you know, it it's okay to show us three slides if we can read them.

Thank you.

Thanks, Robin.

Anybody else?

All right.

Take a motion to call us a day.

Second?

Second.

All in favor?

Thanks, you guys.