Thousand twenty six library board of trustees meeting.

And let's start with uh roll call.

Chair Nichols.

Present.

Vice Chair Lucas.

Trustee Linairs.

Present.

Trustee Markle.

Present.

Trustee Spansell.

Present.

We have a quorum.

Thank you, Zach.

Moving on to item number three, public comment.

So I think we're going to move on.

Let's move on to item number four, approval of the minutes.

Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes for the December eleventh, two thousand twenty-five meeting.

As mentioned.

Thank you.

Okay.

And then moving on here to what are we doing what am I doing?

Am I confused?

Of course I am.

I'm always confused.

Staff report.

We don't have a staff report, right?

Okay.

All right.

So let's go on to the staff report.

Joey Holt Library Director for the record.

Does have anyone have any questions about the financials?

I did have a question about the financials.

Okay.

Which um reports, which count.

Excuse me, or fund, I should say.

This is in the general fund at the last page of it.

Was about power.

I saw that it it was 48% at this.

And I was just wondering if uh the power has significantly increased in its cost in the past.

Not significantly.

Not significantly.

No, but we're right on target because we are only six months from the end of the fiscal year.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Cool.

But I mean it's they it has gone up for sure.

It's gone of of course just citywide, yeah.

Yeah, that is kind of what I was figuring.

I wasn't sure to what extent.

Thank you.

And what about the vehicle fuel and oil cost?

Um I'm sure that has gone up.

I wouldn't know that's uh that's money that is withdrawn internally at the finance department for the use of our uh van when we do the whole trun, and or if we have to use the van for anything else or a city vehicle.

So it's up 279%.

Um yeah, I mean we've gone over because of the cost of fuel being higher.

The good news is is there is a contingency fund for those matters um with uh uh line items of that of this type, but also uh we will certainly have enough uh we'll we'll be enough under budget to cover it, but I don't have any control over what we have in that budget.

I mean, I could move money into it just so it wouldn't look like we were over by that much, but it's just interesting to you know how why I know you don't have control over it, but why would it be such a big discrepancy when you when you budgeted only 420 dollars?

Well of a sudden it's you know 1100.

Yeah, I never change it, but part of that is just because the cost of fuel was so high or has been so high.

Is my understanding?

I would have to reach out to um to finance to find out the particulars if we want to know that.

I haven't bothered because I know that we're going to have plenty of money to cover that.

Probably what I'll do at the turn time of budget build is um put more money in that account at the time that we built the budget because we and that's kind of how I always do it is to look at where we we had a shortfall or where we were over, I should say, um, and try and adjust accordingly.

But I am mostly concerned that I'm adjusting accordingly for the book budget.

Um these other sort of um smaller um accounts that we budget for.

I don't um I don't usually typically I don't typically move money um and do budget transfers because finance will do that for us at the end of the year.

Well that is quite a jump though.

I think I would ask some.

I mean, I know I could for my budgets if I saw something like that with this state, I would reach out to Fleet and say I need I I need a listing of because maybe they're charging you for somebody else's van, or maybe someone's taking the van, you don't know.

Yeah, I'm happy to do it um and find out if we're being um if if we're being double if we're being built for someone else, but it would be frankly it would be unlikely that finance wouldn't catch that because that's a huge part of their role, but I'm happy to reach out and just say, do you have any idea why this is where it's at?

Any other questions?

And thank you for that, Joy.

Yeah, no problem.

In the gift fund I had a I was just curious.

Um $4,000 in community programming.

I was just curious.

Was that just for one month?

Are we can you identify the line item specifically?

Hold on.

I'm in the gift fund.

Okay.

I'm in the general fund right now, so hold on one moment, please.

I wasn't sure if we were ready to launch.

Are we done with the general fund?

Okay.

We can move on to the gift fund.

Okay, and which community programming were you speaking of specifically?

No, I'm looking because I'm seeing that what I was the that I transpose some numbers, but now I'm questioning my my own my own thinking here.

That what I was the that I transpose some numbers, but now I'm questioning my my own my own thinking here.

But it would because I'm looking at it and I wonder if I transferred that number on underneath it up.

So community program is year to date is 7,211.

But that's our year is doesn't start that year was in what July is that when the year was.

Yeah, it's right there.

It says um 2306200.

Because it looks like you budgeted a thousand dollars and we've spent 7,211.

Okay.

Hold let me just 620.

I mean, I'm looking at 618 community programming.

I'm looking at 500 618 community programming.

Yes, I wasn't sure which numbers you need.

Okay.

Object that was this is these are all huge numbers right now that we're we're under because each year in the late fall, early winter, we do an augmentation to pull forward the money from the total amount of money we have available in the gift fund.

Okay.

So how it works with the gift fund is at the time of the budget builds, finance gives us a very small amount in our gift fund budget until we receive money in hand donation from the friends.

So we have they they just don't pull it forward.

If you ever work for the state or any other accounting department, they call it a true up, but it's pulling money forward.

Oh sorry, in February, around February, um, and this happens every year, we will see our whole our fine our whole amount that we have in our gift fund available.

Okay.

So I can at the budget build, they don't pull that money forward.

They the fine the finance department in the city chooses to do it in this way.

Okay.

So the only budget that we have that they're going to put that we have to pull that we don't have to pull forward theoretically is the general fund.

For our gift fund, we won't see the money and the $65,000 that was received from the friends till approximately February.

But we know that money is there.

It's in hand, it's been deposited.

So even though this shows that we are $6200 and some change um over, that's because we haven't been able to this report does not reflect the money that we're going that I've asked to be deposited into that community programming budget amount per what we requested from the friends.

Does that make sense?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

And how about yeah, go ahead.

I'm just curious, and this probably isn't you, it's finance.

So in February, will the revised do they ever change that number of that thousand do they do or something?

Because I I do, yeah, I fill out an augmentation um form asking it telling them how I want the total amount we have available, which um at that time will include the money received from the friends, how I want that to be did the out per each of these line items.

And so then they will put that budget in there, and they are they will put what I've asked them to put in there.

So then we'll see that we've got plenty of money in each of these line items.

Yeah.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, we call it a work program on the state.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's it's very similar.

It's just different verbiage.

Right.

Okay.

And then I looked back when I was looking at this, I would I looked at uh the previous months and on um 5006 four five folks periodicals.

Last time there was something in encumbrances and now it's gone.

So just refresh my mind.

Encumbrance is sounds very I I don't even know.

You can't refresh what isn't there.

What is encumbrance and why an encumbrance is money that they know we know is going to be spent.

Yeah, but hasn't been spent yet.

So it's like um, for example, you'll see we have a big income encumbrance on our um general fund book budget because we know we're going to be spending so much with a particular vendor.

And so it's just an added measure for us to keep track of our spending.

Okay.

And it's it's driven by purchase orders that we've submitted to the finance.

Yeah, it's kind of like it's a little library lingo in some ways.

Library jargon.

Okay.

It's except it's the city how the whole city uses encumbrance.

It's the word that's used in accounting, but yeah, um, you know, like the library will order, you know, say three thousand dollars worth of books, but they won't pay for them until afterwards.

So the 3,000 is still sitting there.

Like waiting for it, it's kind of a way of saying, hey, we're gonna spend this much money, but we haven't spent it, but we want to make sure that we don't spend it.

Yeah, sure.

Um, so it's encumbered, and that's why it doesn't show as um, because you can see we've got the encumbered amount, and um, and so your available amount looks different, but I always know that encumbered, and that's why encumbers go away, is because once that purchase order has been closed, then the encumbrance is removed.

I appreciate all your info, everyone.

And is all the gift fund money from the friends or do you think that's it is not it's from donations and um bequests and things like that.

But usually the biggest you'll see a big jump because a significant amount of it is from the friends every year, and I go to them every year and request how we want those monies to be dispersed.

Um, and then I that's how I know what that's how I come to what I'm gonna ask the finance department to budget for us in these different line items.

So community programming is um the friends money for um all the community program we do is set programming we do, um, or it goes towards the community programming that we do aside from summer reading, because you can see where the very last line item here is the summer reading program FOL, which is Friends of the Library.

Um that number is I can't remember now, but I think it's gonna be 6,000, 7,000 um when we're once we've brought that money forward.

But also it's kind of like that 12,500 as a total.

That really should be 5,000 or 12,500 plus 65,000 or 66, well, more than.

Yeah.

Yeah, because this doesn't include any.

I mean, this is a that higher number is gonna be much higher.

I don't remember what our starting balance was, but um, because it was months ago that I did.

Um, but um, yeah, there's a significant amount of money in there that is not um friends donations.

But we friends, because we spend this for friends donation every year, but we've got another kitty of money that's um compiled from the other donations and things like that.

So we spend a lot of that.

I shouldn't say a lot about that.

That's how we do purchase um suggestions and request purchases.

Um, but I'm also conservative about that, how we spend that money aside from the friends donations because we want to have that.

That's our mad money kind of, you know, we that's the money we have the most control over in terms of how we're gonna um use it.

Thank you for that explanation.

Do we have any other questions about the reports?

The financial reports I should say.

Okay.

Well, let's move on then to item number five.

Library director's administrative reports.

Okay.

So I'll just um skim over this very quickly and then we can get into um some of the other stuff that might not be on here um at the time I wrote this.

Um so we did have a senior library assistant that was positioned that was filled.

Um that uh fell through.

Um it didn't work out, and we reposted and we as of yesterday have an internal um candidate that accepted the position.

And um I'll not announce their name at this time simply because they haven't signed on the dotted line.

The offer letter from the city takes a few days, et cetera, but they have verbally accepted.

Um we do have uh that administrative clerk position still available.

We are then gonna have to fill the position that our current staff member is leaving.

So that's gonna leave us.

But we have uh another internal candidate for that position, allegedly.

Um, and so we're ready to launch with those that position once the one is has transitioned, then we're gonna open the other.

And um internal promotion positions are a little less complicated.

So um, so I I we're not gonna really miss much of a beat, which is gonna be good.

Um, and then of course the workforce development position, and I'm I'm sifting through some um applicants for that.

Uh and so there's where we at.

We're we're at work we're almost fully staffed.

I mean, we are technically fully staffed at this point.

We just have to get that.

We're gonna have a little bit of transition period, but any questions about that.

No.

Okay.

Okay.

I have to ask a question.

When when do you expect to have interviews for the workforce?

I don't know.

Because I don't know if people are um I mean, I'm going to ask if I'm gonna send out um requests for probably next week or the following week, um, and see if I'll probably send them out next week requesting for the following week and see where I land with people.

We've had a few, not just for the workforce development.

We've had a few positions.

We've reached out to people for interviews and never heard back.

So and it might just be the time of year, I'm not sure.

So I'm I'm hoping that we'll get there by the end of this month is my goal to have a to have a in higher, hopefully.

It might be a lofty goal, but you know, these those should be set high, right?

Um, so I did put some of our more um regular um social services programs um this particular this month's programming and outreach events.

So you could see some of the things that we've got going on regularly that are community partnerships.

So you can see that we've got Connection Central coming, and that's for people to come and share their stories and talk about different topics that go go from week to week, and we market that and they also market that.

Umploy NV, we have a representative from the um from an employee and V who comes from um every Friday.

They've had some, they've had some um position transitions as well.

So sometimes that person isn't always able to make it, um, but they're there to help folks fill out resumes, job search, that kind of thing.

Um, and and one of the things that has been beneficial for that for that um agency and us is that because of our proximity, because we're off the right off the bus line.

Um, sometimes the folks that will come to the library to get assistance from employee envy um do so because um it wasn't easy for them because of timing and our location to get to the actual employee and V office.

So we are filling a gap there, which is great.

Um then we've got our scene program coming on every Saturday.

We've had pretty consistent good turnout.

Um, this is a program that we've had, you know, the numbers aren't ginormous, but the people that are coming are new, there's new people every time.

So that's a good thing.

Um, because that means we're reaching more people.

As far as as far as our um summer reading program is going, we've got the Yeti finger puppet craft.

The finger puppets are always a hot dig.

And we had a great turnout for that, especially on a Sunday.

So we have had in the past um requests from users to have a Sunday program because people have said there's not a lot for them to do with their children on Sundays.

And so I think that's why we've had good programming.

And that was those are that Sunday programming is going to continue beyond the when a reading challenge.

And um, and it's been well received, and it's a direct response to community um needs as expressed by our users.

So and then the myth writing workshop for teens.

There's one for adults too, but um, this is where you know, kids can come and they're gonna learn how to write their own original mythology or not.

So gosh, I can't remember now.

Is that terrible?

Um right here in the front of my brain.

Um, but I can't remember who it is right now.

Susan, yes.

Um, oh, I'm not sure, but I think so.

Yeah.

Um I'll double check though, and I'll send out an email to you guys to get to give you that information because I can't remember who it is.

Um and I'm I let me just go on record as apologizing to that person that I don't remember you.

It's it's a direct result of uh my brain, I think just being full of too much information right now.

Um so my apologies for that.

Um so that's the quick rundown.

Trustee Linarogy did ask for some information about our grants.

And so um I've included that here.

I didn't include anything about the Goed grant because it's frankly, it's complicated and we're almost done with it.

And that's the one that you see predominantly reflected on the grant budget.

Um, this one is our um state collection development funding application um that we received.

We actually just got the money uh, I don't know, a few weeks ago, and we are full steam ahead spending it.

So you can see there's the application and then our previous um we had a in I so let me back up.

These are grants that we had in this fiscal year only so far.

So that's why you don't see the go at as well, because it was it's been a two-year process.

So the city or excuse me, the state came to us, and we I talked about this um in a meeting, but the state came to us in I think it was August and said, hey, we've got some money from this from the fiscal year 25 or fiscal year 24, actually, because of how the state grants work.

We're we've got some money to spend.

So we'd like to um extend an offer to the libraries to spend these funds on uh digital collection development specifically.

And you know, do you have a need for that?

Do you want to do that?

And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, we've been, um it wasn't hard for me to write the request because um I've done it many times, and so we received $5,000.

So following is the um the approval, you don't see the approval from the state library because I don't get that back from them.

Um, or you don't always get it back from them.

But then you can see that here's the bill of how we spent it and what we spent it on.

And we did um this, and it was interesting because this sort of circles back to why we had so many audiobooks.

And the reason for that is because we wanted to devote this to Spanish language materials, and there just weren't that many available in ebook, and we had to, we were we had committed to spending it on digital collections.

So we were able to fill the get the lack of ebooks in Spanish to purchasing audiobooks in Spanish.

And then, of course, when it's over the amount of the uh grant amount, we we uh cover the um remainder.

You can see how we did that.

And then these are all the items we purchased.

And you won't see that, of course, with the current state collection development grant because we haven't spent all the funds yet.

So, how does it uh how's it going for the usage of the Spanish language uh books in?

Um, well, we have I haven't um we haven't seen um a huge huge amount of usage.

Um, but we have to market it in the Spanish, um we've marketed it some, but we need to market it more.

Um, and the ebooks, um, they've got I wouldn't say they've gotten uh let me rephrase simple answer to that is they've gotten um enough usage, they've gotten the users usage that I thought they would at this point, if that makes sense.

This is a deaf demographic, but I will say that um we recently did a um a really like a inventory of our Spanish books, and uh they actually there was very like 20% of them are the only there's only 20% of them that haven't searched in five years.

Most of them have served.

So that was good, and we were able to identify what is circling, and it's really interesting that what one of the um books that had or uh really collections that had the highest circulation was natural remedies and like healing and um you know, like what we you know, like um what you would consider like herbal um treatments, you know.

So we thought that was interesting because they're and then it makes sense if you think about it, you know, there's some cultural stuff going on there that I mean, I've I've used some kinds of like the I never even thought about it as a as a natural remedy, but it was like passed on to me from you know, my mother from her mother from her mother, and it's cultural.

So um I thought that was really interesting, but that also helps us know what those users want, because that's what they're using.

So yeah.

And we also I did receive um, we are gonna be reaching out to actually Haley Wilson, our programming outreach coordinator has reached out to a um connect a connection that um our city manager Glenn Martel had suggested, um, someone who's a Spanish speaker who is um very much involved in the um Latino community um here in Carson City.

So hopefully that person will have some um insight as to how we could better attract those customers.

So do you have any questions about that?

Just some reflections.

I was wondering if we could discuss just a little bit.

So when I look at the grant budget, of course, it's much bigger than this, the ones you have, but that's the go-ed.

Correct.

Mostly.

And it's the one that's going away, it's gonna be finished at the end of June.

At the end of June.

And so in general, what is the grants, are you heavily reliant on grants, or is it gravy?

You know what I mean?

Like, will you be looking actively for more grants?

Or is it like, oh, now, you know, the go-ed was probably so specific that it could only be used, you know, as grants are, they can only be used for what you asked them for.

But can you talk a little bit about the importance of grants in general?

Well, they're very important.

Um, and yes, we certainly will be looking for more grants.

We are not heavily reliant upon grants though by design, particularly right now, um because a couple of different reasons.

Number one, I don't philosophically, and just uh my ethics and value system, I don't believe in applying for grants that will not be sustainable past the grant period.

So I am very deliberate in what kind of grant funding I'm gonna ask for because I want to know that we can sustain that.

So for example, I I think it's typically doesn't work out in libraries, my observation.

If you develop a grant program that requires that money to be used in part to pay for an employee, because then once the grant program's over, unless you have planned on how you're going to create that position and make that position available for that person or or just to run that program beyond the grant period, you can't.

And so I don't want to have grants that we can't sustain because we don't have the staffing for it.

Um, and then as luck would have it, and it wasn't as if I was the amazing cruskin here, it was a bit of luck, but also a bit of eyes on what's going on nationally.

Um, that IMLS who funds is funded through the executive budget and then funds the LSTA grants, was um on the chopping block during um our current president's first term.

And then of course it was has been on the chopping block um since the start of the new administration.

And some folks have had to turn money back that they didn't spend.

And so we didn't have our funding, these LSTA monies that we are getting, except for that $5,000, that was um federal money that came was directly from federal money.

The state collection development money is part of the match from the state.

So that is state money.

So we are not relying, we're almost completely non-reliant on federal money.

And um, frankly, I'm gonna keep that rocking for a while because it's so um topsy turvy right now.

And I just don't want us to get into a position where we're over reliant on grants.

But I also think that yes, we are gonna be pursuing more grants.

I opt in on the study pod was a grant.

Um, so I opt in on the grants that I know we can sustain, um, but I haven't done in a a competitive grant in a while because I suspected there was gonna be some, I didn't want to get into that can of worms if there was gonna be a can of worms, but also I didn't want to do something that I didn't think was going to be sustainable because we wouldn't have the staffing and we didn't have the staffing because we were short staffed.

So we're getting to a point where as we're getting fully staffed, it will be more reasonable for us to do a competitive grant that is a specific program that we will have to sustain with our existing staff, but we just weren't there before.

So does that answer it?

Yeah, I'm just what I would call building background.

It's just it's hard for me to understand the bigger picture.

I can see the things you sent, and I appreciate you taking the time to put that in in response to my request.

So that was good.

And I'm curious on the um the Nevada Department of Health and Human Service and the Employee Nevada.

Do those people feel it's what is their perspective about coming to the library?

Do they say thank you, or do they say this isn't worth our time?

Or you know, how's that going?

They've been coming for years.

Yeah.

So um I trust speaks for itself then.

Okay, good.

Well, and I will say, particularly, um, DHS gets a lot of they they've got people coming.

Um there's always at least one or two people that stop in in the day that he's there.

Wonderful.

Yeah, good to hear.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all that.

So um, one thing that isn't on here, um, but we can discuss.

I'll just uh as an update, we did have our first strategic plan workshops yesterday, and they were a flop.

Tristy Linairs showed up and one of our staff members, and that was it.

And there, I will say, Trustine Leonards, we were discussing like what could we do differently and what went wrong.

I and um Trusty Linairs pointed out that our our um media for it was didn't make sense.

It didn't, it didn't adequately convey that it was a two-part workshop, so that you were gonna have to commit to four hours one day and four hours it's the next day because it's iterative, and it was our our media was misleading there, but we also didn't get people for the first four hours.

So we decided to cancel today because we just didn't want uh Dr.

Steinman to come out and have no attendees.

As it happens, we had no one show up and say, where is that today?

So we are currently, he just sent me an email.

I haven't read it, I got it right, was as we were starting this meeting.

But he and I are gonna put our heads together and then Haley and I, um, our programming and outreach coordinator had a brief conversation yesterday, and she had some good ideas about how we might um how we might improve um attendance and get the word out.

So um I also told Fred that I would um speak to y'all and say, please advocate and please encourage people.

I'm also gonna have it be part of my presentation for the friends of the Carson City Libraries luncheon this weekend.

Um and so it's just I'm I'm just going to ramp up.

I have been going to different presentations and encouraging everyone, but I think it's time for um, you know, sort of a full-on blitz.

But I will say that just in um he and I just briefly talking about our survey results, because I had some written paper um surveys to give to him.

Um he said that we were over 300 electronic um surveys, and I said, Well, where were we last time in 2019?

And he said, I think we maybe got a hundred.

So we got a good turnout in comparison to previous year years.

Are are you gonna continue with that?

I mean, I had no idea that that workshop was gonna be.

I mean, how many people can donate can dedicate four hours, two days uh to that type of thing.

I mean, it didn't say that.

I just figured it was well, the time frame is on there.

Well, yeah, but the two days thing was misleading.

Yeah, it wasn't that wasn't clear.

That's our fault.

I take responsibility for that part because we weren't clear about it.

I I just kind of assumed it was gonna be a drop-in.

Uh, you know, someone was gonna be there and ask questions and you you were gonna give your whoever was there would give feedback and you know, it was more casual.

That's what I you know assumed.

And it's gonna be like, but no way would I sign up for two four hour sessions.

Well, that's sad to that's unfortunate.

But I don't know how many would.

I mean, would you sign up for two, four hour sessions during the week?

Well, not during that those particular hours.

Well, then, and and the thing is is that there are other sessions that were already planned to be on weekends.

We we always knew going in we were gonna have some on weekends.

Okay, so you haven't published those yet.

No, because they aren't um, we don't want to schedule too far, we don't want to publish those too far ahead of time, but they are still going to be long sessions that are it's a workshop.

So it's not it's not a drop-in, it's a a workshop with a a clear and beginning and a clear end.

So yeah, it's asking a lot, but it also um even if we had five people show up, um, which I'd hope we'd get more than that, it's a robust response.

You're getting a very clear, um, you know, you're getting a lot of information from people.

Um, as opposed to like, and I use this as an example because we did do this.

Um, I only know this because I was I had we had some ancient boxes of paperwork I had to go through and um I was so I've I've been able to see how we would have done it in the past.

And so years ago we did a mailers, which we don't do, you know, that's just not how people market these days, or the mailers that people could then and we had a um and it said, you know, if you are interested and it was self-addressed and um and we the mailing was all paid for and all that and the printing was all paid for, and all you had to do was fill out like a very quick like what do you think of the library, when do you use it, how do you use it, and do you think we need a new library?

Or, you know, what yeah, do you think we need a new library and if so, why?

If so, why not?

And so people responded to that um in droves.

Um, there was also like, and we've talked we've talked about this, Haley and I have of it was there was an incentive because I think there was like a free book or something associated with it.

So Haley and I have talked about how we could create an incentive.

Um, but that is not as a robust of strategic planning technique as a workshop would be where you're really getting people to sit and think about what the library's doing and what could the library do more of.

I've actually participated in these workshops, not just for the Carson City Library, but for the state library as well, because Dr.

Steinman did theirs a few years ago.

Or no, it wasn't Dr.

Steinman, it was someone else.

He's doing the the current one.

Um, but it was, yeah, it was time consuming.

You really sit and talk about um what it is that you know this community needs.

So and we have he and I, when Trusty Linairs was there, we all talked about maybe shortening the time frame or the length of the meetings.

So there is always opportunity to adjust um so that we can, you know, have the greatest uh possible outcome.

Offer them pizza.

That was what she's going to say that well, he actually did bring really nice goodies.

He always brings lots of snacks.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, you heard it here, people.

Yeah.

There's snacks.

And they're good snacks.

He gets the fancy bagels.

Oh, okay.

Hmm.

Yeah, that's tough.

Yeah.

Will this be something that you're gonna pursue with the training day for your staff on Monday?

Isn't Monday the library closed?

Yes.

Um pursue meaning I mean, like, are they going to go through the process?

They are, but not right now.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, we're gonna do that at a different training, staff training day, because we have a lot of new people and we have some we have other matters that we're gonna be training on this particular training.

I see.

Yeah, but we'll probably dedicate because usually it's about a four-hour um training.

And so I my plan is that our staff training day in April will be um one of these workshops.

And then we'll do one every year.

You're expecting that we're not gonna have a five-year plan before April after April.

Well, he has to have time to um to compile all of it, and it's gonna go at this point, it'll go into February.

No, no doubt.

Yeah.

This is just uh information for me.

I thought that it would be faster than that.

No, it's not.

This is your first one.

So just ride the done.

Just ride the rodeo.

Okay, just okay yeah.

All right, interesting.

All righty.

Well, thank you.

Do you happen to know for the last uh strategic plan five years ago?

Um, what kind of turnout those workshop sessions had?

Um, not a lot.

Um they probably had um, I'm not sure about their first few.

It was they had them at the sheriff's department.

Right.

And so I think it was um maybe five people per session.

I'd have to look if I could find that information.

Obviously, we had a significantly higher number for surveys.

Sure.

Um, so there's that.

That's good.

Um so um I'm yeah it wasn't a ginormous, it wasn't a huge number.

Sure.

Well, and and I think we even discussed that when Dr.

Shannon was here.

And I I also would wager a guess that the time of year right now people are still kind of emerging from you know holiday cocoons.

Yeah, I hope.

Yeah.

So we'll see.

Yeah, I mean, and that's the great thing about working with Dr.

Steimon or a consultant in general is that you can sort of pivot when you need to.

Right.

Um, and what we end up with, I mean, we part of having the um the refresh uh embedded in the contract is that we will be looking at this every year very systematically to recalibrate.

Gotcha.

And that's part of the the costs that you all approved at the onset of this.

We don't want to rush it either, and we're gonna do it right do it right the first time.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, the city's master plan has taken a year and a half and it's it's not completed because it's theirs is a 20-year plan.

Right.

Yeah.

So yeah.

And they keep having you know, asking asking input from and they're actually doing two more sessions at the library to discuss um specifically, and it as I'm not sure how much it relates to the master plan, but just specifically to discuss short-term leasing um issues and matters.

So if you're interested in learning about that, does anyone have to have any further questions about her report?

Okay, let's move on to um 5B, trustee reports, announcements, and requests for information.

And let's all look at Ann.

I feel that was just when I looked up.

Um I'm just um I noticed in my notes that last meeting we talked about in February having a friend's report.

And that we were also going to kind of you were gonna give us just a sense of how it's going with Ingram as opposed to Baker and Taylor.

And so that was just from something we had from last time that we had set for February.

So yeah, I recall that okay.

Well, let's move on to six.

Public comment.

And the public is invited at this time to provide comment on any topic that relates to the library.

And I do not see anybody here.

So moving on.

How about we move on to item number seven.

Um, hello.

Uh let's adjourn.

All right.

Thank you, everybody, and I'll see you in a moment.

Hopefully, I'll see you before then because you're gonna come to the planning meeting.