Mr.

Hohen, may I have a roll call, please?

Supervisor Giaomi.

Supervisor White, Supervisor Horton, Supervisor Shuddy.

Mayor Bagwell.

You have your quorum.

Thank you so much.

We'll start with our invitation this morning.

And I see that uh Pastor Hodge is here.

Please start us off with something great today.

Let's pray.

Father, you have told us that you have required us to love mercy, to act justly, and to walk humbly before you.

And we pray this morning for our officials before us that you would give them wisdom and the courage to choose the things that are good.

Lord, we pray uh over our city and over its people that you would teach us more and more to love kindness and to care for each other.

And that in all things we would walk humbly before you and each other, seeking the good of our neighbor before our own good, and in doing so, when the whole city does it, finding that each of us are cared for.

Thank you so much.

Okay, we're on opening public comment.

I have three listed.

And I wrote this this morning, so bear with me.

Okay, for interest three fifty-four.

Fund for extraordinary maintenance repair or improvement of capital projects.

A local government may establish a fund for the extraordinary maintenance repair or improvement of capital projects.

Okay, so my question, I'm not going to read it because you all have a copy.

I would like clarification from the city about the extraordinary fund.

The NRS does not list that the fund may be used for capital projects or facilities.

I think this means that the NRS does not allow the funds to be used for new construction, which would be a capital improvement, because in the wording of it, it does say that the fund may only be used for the extraordinary maintenance, repair, or improvement of capital projects or facilities that replace capital projects of the entity that made the deposits in the fund.

So I'd like you to clarify for me.

Does the city think they can use it for new construction?

And two, why has the city been using this fund for much needed?

Why has not the city been using this fund for much needed maintenance, repairs, and improvements of city facilities?

Thank you.

Thank you.

I have Ron and Teresa Jones.

Good morning, Mayor Bagwell, members of the Carson City Board of Supervisors and City staff.

My name is Teresa Jones, and I'm speaking today on behalf of myself, my husband, and numerous neighbors affected by an ongoing residential parking nuisance in our neighborhood.

We appreciate the opportunity to address the board this morning.

We are here today to respect respectfully request consideration of amendment to the Carson City Municipal Code 102490, parking for certain purposes prohibited, to include an additional provision addressing a chronic residential parking nuisance.

Conduct by one resident at 233 Albany Avenue is impacting numerous other residents.

Residents living on Albany Avenue and West 4th Street.

The packet provided contains four documents.

First, a letter to the board detailing the ongoing hostile and retaliatory conduct by the resident at 233 Albany.

We'll be mailing the letter with signatures to the board early next week.

Second, proposed amendment language two for Carson City Municipal Code 102490.

Third, map and description of the habitual nuisance parking by the resident at 233 Albany.

Fourth, photographic documentation illustrating the pattern of hostile and intimidating conduct that neighbors have been experiencing over the past four years.

The proposed code amendment is not intended to restrict lawful guest parking, temporary overflow parking, contractors, caregivers, deliveries, or other ordinary residential parking.

Its purpose is to address repeated and unreasonable conduct in which an individual persistently shifts parking burden onto neighboring properties despite available parking in front of and on their own property.

We believe the proposed ordinance language provides a balanced and enforceable approach by establishing clear thresholds for repeated conduct requiring parking of the vehicle at the owner's residence, i.e.

on property or in front of, providing reasonable exemptions for legitimate circumstances, utilizing complaint-driven enforcement procedures, and importantly, treating habitual displacement parking as a neighborhood nuisance issue rather than a simple parking preference dispute.

The photographs included in the packet represent a small portion of the extensive photo and video documentation taken by neighborhood residents, which are available to the board upon request.

We respectfully ask the board refer this matter to the appropriate staff, legal counsel, and advisory committees for review and consideration.

Thank you for your time, attention, and service to our community.

We are happy to provide additional documentation and answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Thank you.

I'm Mike Lafferty, a Lakeview resident, the fire-adapted Nevada neighborhood ambassador as well as Firewise Committee Chair.

Since we're talking about fire today, I thought it'd be a good time to come and share about how pleased Lakeview is with the support we've had from CCFD in keeping our wildland fuels lower and making it a safer place, lowering the risk.

Some examples.

Last year we conducted a uh full-scale multi-agency evacuation.

I was concerned because getting people out is of course the first thing we are concerned about.

John Bacadal and the emergency team put together a great event.

It was a learning experience for all.

That was fantastic.

And then there's the quiet bins and trailers program.

Not many people know about it, but in Lakeview, there's 245 people or residences, and we moved 30 20 cubic yard bins of fuels out, as well as a hundred six by ten trailers.

What a great program.

I don't think that much fuel would be going out of Lakeview every year if the residents didn't have the support of the system that takes care of that.

The fuels management up on the hills between Lakeview and Timberline, as well as to the west have been phenomenally helpful.

If a fire does come in, I should say when the fire comes in, it'll slow it down a little bit, and that will be helpful.

So continuing with the fuels reduction in the Carson City property, which is adjacent to most of Lakeview would be fantastic.

As well, the defensible space inspections, it educates the residents, but in particular gives them a specific thing they can do now.

So I see the results.

After the defensible space inspections, people know what to do and they take action.

And then there's the continuous coaching and help from Kimberly, John, all the others.

They are just great.

They know what they're doing, they know how to help, and we just greatly uh value their support.

So I encourage you to continue to support the Wildland Fuels Division and the CCFD and their working in the community as well as the areas that are Carson City property.

Thank you.

I don't have anyone else signed up for opening public comment, but I see Denny has his hand up, so come on up.

Yeah, just pulled it to read names.

Denny French, Carson City, Nevada.

I am stepping away from my usual bug, so I can pest you with something else.

The next thing is that I am also in an area of my concern, but lack of knowledge.

And so understanding that, I hope that you will give me a patient review of the considerations I'm putting before you.

Open meeting law is something that I can't keep track of, but that I've certainly made good D deal of consideration to.

I can't keep every NRS in line.

But in this case, I think there has been a violation of the open meeting law related to the Sunset Park situation and how it was phrased on the agenda and the lack of supporting material that went into the specifics.

I would rather not have brought this to anyone's attention, but I can't necessarily catch the ear of those that would have been able to help me because they are so busy in the jobs that they are performing.

One of the jobs though I think is not available, and maybe we should hire is that interim person that I could go up to before a meeting, make sure that I'm online with the basics of my consideration, and before I present it before you and take your time.

Whether or not I should have brought this up or not, I have, and whether it's an uncomfortable circumstance, because I know the consequences if in fact it is a violation.

It's big.

It will be against people that I have appreciated and have really a great deal of respect for, while I may not agree with on a many occasions.

I would like some help with this.

If I'm offline, fine, but I will pursue it otherwise on my own, and I think that would not necessarily benefit the city.

I think with some guidance, we can narrow it down.

The specifics of the concerns will have to be brought up later because of time.

I appreciate this, and I would also like to encourage everyone to stop using asphalt as ground cover and look out for the heat and artificial turf.

Thank you.

Do I have any anybody else?

Okay, then I'm gonna move on to agenda item uh six.

We're gonna do approval of our minutes of April 16th, 2026.

Does any member have any corrections or changes needed?

Seeing none, Supervisor Giomi, a motion, please.

Move to approve.

Carson City Board of Supervisors meeting minutes from 16 April 2026 is presented.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

We're now on to our special presentations.

If you all would uh join me on the floor, we'll we'll do those for this morning.

Okay, well, and I think the first one that we're gonna work on is the uh wildfire awareness month.

Do you have a team that's gonna join us?

All right.

Do you want to read that one?

I thought you might try try and let you just on that one.

Just say what the supervisor is like, oh, season, they matter.

All right, this is a uh proclamation uh recognizing May as Nevada Wildfire Awareness Month, uh, whereas wildfire significantly impacts Nevada's environmental economic and social well-being, and whereas proactive wildfire preparedness efforts save lives, property, and natural resources, and whereas preparedness at the household and neighborhood level is one of the most effective ways to reduce a wild uh reduce wildfire impacts and protect lives, home, and critical infrastructure, and whereas preparing for wildfire includes managing vegetation using fire-resistant building materials and fostering community-wide collaboration to reduce risk, and whereas residents and stakeholders need to work for their communities to survive wildfire and fire.

No, therefore, on behalf of Carson City.

Supervisors, uh, we proclaimed the month of May 2026 is Nevada Wildfire Awareness Month, and encourage all residents to take action, become battle-borne wildfire.

Thank you, uh Supervisor Geomi.

Um, so uh we like to take May as a chance for us to reach out to our residents and just say, hey, um, we have a ton of resources at the fire department that we and we want to partner with you.

We want you to be prepared uh for the upcoming wildfire season.

And so uh we just encourage you all uh reach out to us.

Mike talked a little bit about our defensible space inspections.

That's a free service that we provide uh to everybody here in the city to just come out to your property.

Um we just take a look, we give you some recommendations on how you can be better prepared for the season.

Uh as you know, our sheep are up in the hills already, they're doing what they do um every year, and it's a great program as well, and they're just wrapping that up.

Um, but this morning we have some partners that also offer um some other services to our whole Northern Nevada community.

Um, and so uh they're gonna say a few words.

So, first up we have from NDF uh Ron Boyer.

Uh thank you, or mayor, thank you.

You know where I was yesterday.

You can tell where I was yesterday.

Okay, I I would like to take this opportunity for uh Nevada Division of Forestry.

I am the state fire and aviation chief for um the division.

Again, our partnership with Carson City uh fire department and the wildland fire fuels program here is an outstanding relationship.

Um we partner well together.

The state really recognizes the work that uh crew does.

They've done extraordinary mitigation work across the front, right?

We all can think back to waterfall.

Um, they've all done it um extremely well on projects and should be recognized um for their hard work and effort.

And I think really long term the program has validity.

And we would like to support that from the state side with you know we do with funding and some other sources equipment that.

So I live in Timberline.

So yes I would agree um with the gentleman that's out here with Lakeview is is uh was dead on on his assessment.

And I really say from the state of Nevada division of forestry side we're very appreciative of the program and the work and the mitigation efforts have gone across gone across the county and the city.

So thank you again mayor.

Thanks Ron the state has been a great partner with us and so we really appreciate that.

And next to say a few words is from Living with Fire, Megan Kay.

Hi everyone.

I did prepare some remarks because I don't get always have you know don't get the opportunity often to sing the praises of our partners so thought I'd get it right.

First I want to second everything Ron said about the crew.

I've got you know not I've haven't actually like put on gnomics and carried a tool with them but I've worked with them on outreach and they are very competent in that arena too so you guys should be proud.

Okay so my name's Megan Kay.

Hi Mayor hi is super board of supervisors.

Want to thank you for this proclamation.

I am the program manager of the Living with Fire program at UNR extension we've been around since 1997 supporting uh our agencies and local partners trying to help folks prepare for fire before it happens and then also help recover after it happens.

So as we all know wildfire is has always been a part of our history especially in Carson City Ron mentioned the waterfall fire.

There's also more recently prison hill fire the Davis fire.

So wildfire is a reality where we live um these events continue to remind us that wildfire is not something that just happens somewhere else it affects our landscapes our air quality our routines and our communities that we call home but living with in a wildfire prone area is possible and it's not just about checklists while um creating defensible space preparing for evacuation those are all really important um if it's all about it's also about uh being open to um embracing what makes our where we live unique um and recognizing that fire has long been a part of the story of these landscapes the mountains the trails the open spaces these have all been shaped by fire.

We see um and by being open to creating opportunities for connection like Mike was talking about we can actually connect through our shared values of living with fire.

So we see this happening Mike talked about it a little bit in his community in Lakeview.

There are other firewise communities in Carson City and folks that maybe aren't firewise but are definitely working together to be more safe.

So these efforts make our neighborhoods more resilient and safer.

So I want to recognize Mike and all the other other community leaders as well as the fire department for for their steadfast support of the communities um so yeah I just want to recognize the Carson City Fire and all of our state local federal partners in this in this area.

Yeah and one more time I want to thank the the mayor and the board of supervisors for proclaiming May Nevada Wildfire awareness month and also want to recognize Kimberly and the fire department and their effort for updating the community wildfire preparedness plan which is a very important effort and making sure that we're we're working together tracking our projects around wildfire resilience and um making sure that we are addressing any gaps and trying to to reach all communities so both Megan and Ron are at every event that we have and a tremendous support.

They're at workshops they're they're teaching and they're out there so um last I just wanted to recognize our crew um they do a fantastic job led by Kimberly and um they're just they're the ones out there just doing the work on all year round so a round of applause for them.

Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot.

So if I lived in Timberline or Lakeview or an area that had issues, as a homeowner, what is the first thing you would tell me to do?

What should I address or do?

Yeah, so we always just say um you know, it's it's all about the vegetation around around your property.

So get a good defensible space.

At least you can answer it.

Yeah.

Yeah, so uh clear the vegetation now.

And if you have any question, 50 to 100 feet and um clear up all the ladder fuels.

So um and if you have any question, we're happy to come out and do an in-person um inspection.

So, no beautiful snowball bush next to your house.

Okay.

Well, thank you all so much for all you do.

Really, really thank you for protecting us and uh I know it's hard work too.

It's not an easy project, but uh thank you for all that you do.

Do we have more over there that wanna come getting a picture?

Spread it out a little, right?

If we don't have a picture, it didn't happen.

Anywhere, anywhere we can do that, the show.

Here we go.

Yeah, no hiding in the corner.

Okay, we're gonna move from the fire department to the courts.

We'll switch out bodies, right?

I think there's some people from the court I can see.

And I thought I saw there she is.

I was gonna say, I know I saw Judge Ruquetta and this okay.

So come on up.

This is uh another important uh thing I think we do in Carson City, but uh so this is a national treatment court and mental health awareness month, whereas there are now more than 4,000 treatment courts nationwide.

Whereas treatment courts are the cornerstone of justice reform, sweeping the nation.

Um they serve more than a hundred and fifty thousand individuals each year, and it's recognized as the most successful justice system intervention in our nation's history.

Um whereas they save an average of $6,000 for every individual they serve, whereas treatment courts substantially reduce addiction and related crime and do so at less expense than any other criminal justice strategy, and really proud of this one because uh we have five treatment courts in Carson City.

We have the misdemeanor treatment court, presided by Judge Tomstrong, we have the mental health court presided by Judge Melanie Bruquetta, we have the Western Regional DUI Court and Drug Court, presided by Judge Deborah Schumacher, and juvenile drug court, presided by juvenile magistrate Kimberly O'Casey.

And whereas Carson City currently has 65 participants within these five treatment courts and has had 30 graduations over the last 12 months.

The treatment courts facilitate community-wide partnerships, bringing together public safety and public health professionals to improve education, employment, housing, promote family reunification, reduce foster care placements, and increase the rate of addicted mothers delivering babies who are fully drug and alcohol free.

So our treatment courts demonstrate that when one person rises out of substance use in crime, we all rise.

Now, therefore, I Laurie Bagwell, Mayor of Carson City, Nevada, on behalf of our Board of Supervisors, do hereby proclaim that May 2026 be established as National Treatment Court and Mental Health Awareness Month.

They really do a fantastic job.

I've I've had the privilege of the last few graduations of attending just what that said, right?

They're rising and they're so proud of the changes they're making in their life.

And uh Judge Buketta, my always honored that you invite me to do that.

Um, are you making comments?

Who's commenting?

Anybody?

Just oh, no planned planned comments, but I did want to thank you.

So our graduations are open.

Um, our next graduation is open to the public on July 8th.

Thank you.

And um Mr.

Bailey is also part of our grad of our mental health court team.

I don't know why he's not standing up here.

We appreciate his participation.

It does take a team, and we really appreciate the Department of Alternative Sentencing.

Um, right now, my mental health coordinator is out of town, and DAS has stepped up to cover those duties.

Um, so we have that backup and we really appreciate it, but it's really important that um the mayor is at our graduation along with the board members.

I encourage you to attend.

The participants really enjoy seeing the community's support, and we want to thank you for that.

Really?

I I I just think it's amazing.

And even though it might not seem like it's 50 graduates, how long does the program take?

I think that's the other amazing piece is the dedication of the individual to want to change their life, right?

And that's not an easy task, it's not a one month and oh, I just did this for 30 days and she's giving me a chip.

It doesn't, it's not that way because how long do they have to work through the process?

So for mental health court, it's a minimum of 18 months, but it could go longer, just depends.

Why is it committed?

Sure.

So I I oversee the juvenile drug court.

Um, I've been doing that for many years, and I want to thank the board and the city for this recognition, ongoing recognition and support because what the people in the program, to include the juveniles, receive is they receive the education, and they receive structure and support um to guide them through this, which ultimately gives them the tools that they need to, you know, really address the challenges that they're facing in their life.

And in terms of time frame, it can be a year.

We try to shoot for that year time frame.

It kind of does depend on the individual where they're at.

We try to meet them where they're at because we can also overdo treatment with people as well.

And our stakeholders um that support that program are the district attorney's office, juvenile probation, um the district um PD's office, as well as mental health uh professionals in our communities.

So appreciate everybody's support with this.

It really does matter.

Um, and our juveniles do, they're so impressive, they're so resilient going through what they're going through.

I think we think of adults as going through drug and addiction and alcohol issues, but you'd be surprised at how young it starts.

And so the support matters, like you said, you know, we can give them those tools, and hopefully they figure out how to use them with some guidance.

So thank you for your support.

All right.

She has a proclamation, that one's yours.

I see where hers is when I go to the graduations.

How important it is.

Um, there you go.

I was gonna say, are we missing anyone in the picture?

Do we have the come on?

There's the courts.

Do we have anybody district attorney's office?

Come on.

I think that no, I think that uh what was said is so accurate.

It's not any one partnership that makes it happen.

It takes everybody on the team working to the success of the individual, and then the individual being able to receive that help, right?

So it takes all of it.

So am I missing anyone else?

Do we have any mental health?

We got them all, all.

All right.

Let's have a picture.

Thank you all for all that you do in the time.

Well, you came prepared.

Okay, now it's our time to do our um length of service certificates.

And this one, I'm like, what?

I know every time I say see these and how many years they have, I'm just in shock.

So, how about Kelly Hale, our environmental control foreman?

Is this right?

20 years, does she look like she could have 20 years in?

I thought 10, and I kept looking at this going, that's a typo.

Thank you so much for all you do for us.

And I'm sure Rick has some illuminating words.

I might have a couple.

So Kelly's in our environmental control group, and they're kind of a group that nobody knows really about.

They are the ones that go out to businesses, make sure there's no illicit discharge coming to our treatment plant to uh to foul that up.

They test all our drinking water, they come out to the landfill, our water monitoring or methane monitoring, they run our uh household hazardous waste program out there.

They do kind of a million things.

Uh anything hazmat related, they get involved in uh some of the weird things they do when people move into a house or inherit a house.

People tend to call and say, I've got this unmarked thing of liquid.

Can you guys come check out what it is and what do I do with it?

Kelly and her group uh are the ones that get on that.

So saying a lot of nice things are good, but we only have three weeks left with her.

She's actually retiring next month.

I had to preempt you on that.

So Kelly's gonna move into retirement and move into that other.

Yep.

So Kelly, thank you for everything you've done.

We appreciate your service.

Thanks.

Now she is getting a stink eye.

Okay.

Well, thank you, but stay up here, okay.

How about Tanya Petrie, our utility building specialist?

15 years.

Wow.

Thank you.

Wait.

There's a test.

15 in.

How many more to go?

Two.

Oh, it even got worse.

Less than this is not working out today.

We're gonna have to have colored certificates that you know.

Thank you so much for what you do for us.

So Tanya took a weird path to get to us.

She was with the uh animal services group for for quite a while, working with the um pups on pups on parole?

Yeah, pups on parole.

Anyway, working with inmates and training dogs and whatnot, and and when when the city ran that, when the city turned that over to the humane society, she reluctantly came to utility building.

Uh not sure whether a desk job was her thing or not.

She has owned it since she's come to us.

She's actually one of our our lead people and somebody we rely on heavily to for customer service and uh research, just weird stuff trying to figure things out, and then on a kind of a personal note with with public works, she's uh in charge of managing our wildlife, feeding our birds, making sure everybody's plants don't die, and also feeding us with uh fresh sourdough bread on Mondays.

So, yes, only got less than a couple years, but we're we'll we'll miss her, but congratulations and thanks for what you've done for us.

Thanks for sticking around.

Okay, I don't think I knew the sourdough bread part.

We have been missing out here.

You you're you have a valid comment there.

Okay, how about Tyler Jesse, our asset manager?

Tyler.

Wow, 10 years.

Wow, you are doing great things.

I have I can say a word or two.

Just uh, what great demonstrations I've had the privilege of seeing um that uh Tyler and his team put together on behalf of the city.

And I know that if you use our website and you're looking for items on maps or things of that nature, Tyler is your guy.

He is really trying hard to be both efficient for staff to be able to do their jobs and find things, but also for the public.

So thank you again so much for all you do.

Go ahead, wait 10 more years.

At least, yes.

So Tyler's come to us for the last uh five years.

He's been uh leading that group, the GIS group as it as it grows and uh we're doing more stuff.

Um right now they're in the middle of a asset management plan for wastewater next year.

They got a couple more plans they gotta do uh when it comes to emergency management folks, any of our uh big events, them and his staff are the ones that put together the graphics and deal with that kind of stuff.

Um a lot of the data you see, especially when it comes to public works, comes out of this group.

They're the ones that track it, manage it, keep it up and going so you can you can find things.

Uh one of the things we did just show how dynamic this group is.

We were looking at a uh uh software to track and manage uh snow events.

About eighty thousand dollars a year for the software that we may or may not use like this year.

Um Tyler's the one that asks us, well, what do you really want it to do?

And he's the one that was a consultant, put it together and developed a app for us to actually use and saving considerable money, and it does what we want it to do.

So, so the group the group has been very dynamic, and we hope to have you for yes, many many more years to come.

We're shooting for more.

Okay, and this one has a different nickname, but uh, well, yeah, I know.

Do I say it out loud, right?

No.

Yeah, right?

Yeah, okay.

How about Sherry Russell Benaboo, our chief financial officer with 15 years?

I don't know.

So from, yeah, I could do it, from Eagle Eye to Dragon Lady.

Thank you for all you do, right?

No, she uh really works tirelessly to uh put the numbers together, and I can attest having been in those roles before, there's so many numbers, and it's so hard.

If one changes on page 50, did it roll up to the summary, you know, and all of that, but just really thank you for that steadfast uh, even though it might be 10 o'clock at night or something, you're like those numbers are looking smaller.

But cross eye.

So thank you.

I get the honor of talking about Sherry today, and I just want to say, you know, the public sees Sherry a lot in our board meetings when she comes forward with our tentative and our final budget as well as with our annual comprehensive financial report.

But there's many, many more things she does behind the scenes that aren't necessarily seen by everybody.

You know, Sherry is a valuable member of our internal finance committee.

Um, she is always there to guide us during our collective bargaining uh negotiations, and um her department also uh does a tremendous amount of work with our grants, federal, state, and local, overseeing that all the ARPA dollars that came into the city over the last several years, and our risk management.

So there's a lot of a lot of things that Sherry and her department are responsible for.

Um, you know, we joke a bit about her nickname that was given to her by Mayor Bob, but she really wears that with a badge of honor because she is the guardian of the city's budget.

Um she is conservative in her budgeting.

We know when we come to her and say, can we do this?

Is it are we gonna be okay?

That we're gonna get the right answer from Sherry.

And she, I mean, she guards the money as if it's her own.

And so she really has kept us in such a strong financial state over the last 15 years.

So it's really been my pleasure to work with her more this year than I did in the past, as she's one of my direct reports now.

She's very patient with me because I don't come from the financial background.

Um, but she's constantly looking for ways that we can improve our processes she's been doing budget 101 trainings internally uh to bring our staff um you know give them more uh background and information and then she helped us significantly improve our internal processes this year so we are very happy to have Sherry on our team um her integrity and her dedication are unmatched okay we have uh Denise Scholl an office specialist 10 years I still if I asked are you gonna give us some more years I'm scared I'm getting scared you guys to ask because they keep telling me oh yeah what's the two are you gonna stick around longer there you go with confidence and with heart thank you so much for your service you did thank you all right so um denise actually started with us um as a provider so um she started with our medical transport team um that did service out of the hospital um and actually was a supervisor for that unit um and so now she's moved on and she's doing our um medical billing so she's in our EMS division um handling all of our billing um and so she understands both sides of it and that's very important in in that role because you know um what's happening out on the street and so um denise is a kind spirit and that's the best way to describe her um she's an absolute joy to have in the office um she just brings everybody up she's a pleasure to work with um and uh when you work in billing uh people are not always thrilled uh when you receive a phone call um but they're met with Denise uh who meets them with with uh empathy and um compassion and just that that kindness and so uh denise thank you so much for all that you do for us um and we just love having you in the office so yeah you guys I just want to know are you a sourdough bread kind of person I'm not I'm getting this new other thing that you know that's gonna be on the hiring application is do you make that bread okay how about with five years of service Chase Weatherington from our wildland engine operators how perfect for today thank you so much for all you do and then there's Chase um yeah oh yeah totally easier uh so chase is currently a driver on our um wildland fuels crew um and so what's cool about that is he started as a firefighter um and he was our first promotion within the division of the wildland fuels division um so he actually worked his way up and that's because of his work ethic and his dedication to the program um he's so reliable in that spot um and as a driver operator um of this equipment that you see um you're actually the one that is in charge of looking out for the safety of your crew um and so it's that diligence um that attention to detail um and that proficiency with all the equipment that we have um and in fact you actually got to put that on display last week when we had a little incident up there on prison hill um and he did a fantastic job with that um and I think one of his uh his crew's favorite qualities is that sense of humor that he brings to the crew um which is in abundance and so he's just an absolute joy to have and to be around and uh we just thank you so much for your service buddy get back in the get in the picture come on you don't get to hide I picture come on in we like to celebrate it is worthy of celebration, right?

Do we have a big group?

Yeah, you're out of luck here today, Stacey.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, Matthew.

Thank you all we are all.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Oh, sweet.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I will thank you.

I don't have to go to the very best of the picture.

I think they're going to be with you forever.

Just a moment to clear through and try not to break the microphone.

Okay.

We're gonna move on then to our consent agenda.

I didn't have any requests, but just in case.

No.

Okay, Supervisor Giomi, a motion, please.

I move to approve our consent agenda consisting of item 8A, 9A, 10A, 11A, 12A, 12B, 12C, 12D, 12E, 12F, 12G, 12H, 13A, 13B, and 13C.

All is presented.

That was a mouthful today.

Do I have a second?

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Okay, we're now gonna move on to agenda item 15A.

Um, this is where we will appoint a member to the CTA for our citizen at large position.

Our um, I think I saw Andrew earlier, yeah.

And then there was uh, is it Marvin Flores?

Marlin, oh Marlin.

Marlon, can you do me a favor just because we don't like people to hear each other's answers?

I don't know, somebody might think it's unfair.

If you would go out, that would be wonderful, and then Miss Hicks will get you when it's your turn.

Thank you so much.

Come on up.

Okay, you've been through this before, so you know how the process is gonna work.

I have, thank you.

Thanks for interviewing again.

It's not a requirement, but I appreciate that you uh you wanted to uh talk to us um about the CTA.

So I'm gonna do it a little bit different just to surprise her and see if she's listening.

Supervisor Shooty.

Do you want to go first?

Oh, sure.

Oh, wait, excuse me, I didn't realize that.

Um Supervisor White, do you have a disclosure?

Yes, I uh called it.

Okay.

NRS requires me to uh disclose a conflict of interest.

Um as the president of the Nevada State Prison Preservation Society.

Um I contract with the CTA uh for promotional issues.

Um, however, I do not have a fiduciary uh income from the uh Nevada State Prison Preservation Society.

So I I do not believe this is a disqualifying conflict, and I will be voting on this matter.

Thank you so much for the disclosure.

Again, apologize for the delayed realization that I had a conflict.

Sometimes you read a line and it goes, what?

Yeah.

No problem.

Supervisor Shooty, would you do us the honor of kicking off the interviews?

Absolutely.

Thank you for reapplying.

We appreciate it so much.

My question, please share an example of where you feel the city is excelling in promoting tourism.

And uh what is it that you believe makes it that promotion successful?

Uh honestly, I think it's the art and culture portion behind it.

In the past, up until probably about three to four years ago, the art and culture in the tourism wasn't as prevalent as it is right now.

But with them partnering with the brewery art center, the surrounding areas, it's uh we've been getting a lot more questions, especially when we're traveling and on the road.

So that's been a very big benefit.

Great, thank you.

Supervisor Horton.

Good morning.

Next step is expansion beyond beyond the borders that we're working right now.

So right now we've been very good.

Well, the CTA has been very good with partnering with outside areas like Douglas, Washoe County, Lake Tahoe, Virginia City.

I think we need to expand that area because if you look into Yosemite, San Francisco, the Bay Area, the tourism going on over there right now is really starting to expand.

And when you get people from the East Coast, Midwest, the South coming in, and I think I answered this.

I think I talked about this last time, but when they go back to the Midwest or the East Coast, they're very upset realizing that they were so close to Lake Tahoe, Virginia City, and not seeing it.

I mean, they're only two to three hours away, and that's been uh issue when I'm doing appointments.

People don't realize how close we are.

So that's been that I think that's the next step to expanding room nights.

Thank you.

Supervisor White.

Thank you.

What segments of the industry do you see growing the most?

And and how does Carson City capitalize on that?

Right now, motor coach.

The motor coach business is since COVID, it's had a real big decrease because they weren't part of any bailouts like the airlines were.

So a lot of the motor coach companies across the country have gone out of business.

They didn't get any funding to help get them through that.

So a lot of them went out and went went completely went out of business.

Um it's starting to expand again.

A lot of people are buying those up, but some of the California regulations is making it very expensive.

So to go through California to get to Nevada, there's so many environmental regulations that it would cost some of them 30 to 40 million to upgrade their whole all their motor coaches.

So it's been a real big issue, but most of we're getting into a point now to where most of them are being built with those regulations.

So it's starting to expand again.

So I think it's a place I know that the CTA is focusing on it, um, but I think that's the next big step.

Thank you.

Hi, Andrew.

Uh good morning.

Can you tell me what you see as our strongest cultural or tourism asset?

And what are your thoughts to promote that?

Well, I think there's two of them.

Right now, the well, that's a tough one.

Right now, a lot of people are taking a major interest in the state prison and the Stuart Indian School.

So I had uh, I think we had nine people, international tourism people from different countries come in last month, and their biggest they were in awe of the Stuart Indian school.

It had a lot of questions about the prison.

So I think those are two big ones, and that's kind of where I think it's going.

And well, I take it back, and sports, youth sports is booming for us right now, and not just us, but Jacobs Entertainment is building eight new soccer fields at the J.

And there's a reason for that.

Because they when you get a convention into Washoe County, every hotel casino has their little conventions or their sports groups, but now it's becoming more of a citywide event.

So one volleyball tournament will fill every hotel room in Washoe County, and that's starting to move on to soccer, rugby, um, and with us expanding or redoing the fields.

That's kind of another focus we're looking at.

Thank you.

Okay, let's see.

I have to work for a question.

It is not fun being last because you all did great on your questions.

Um I'll take a slightly different tactic.

When you have programs that you've been doing for a long time and funding in the CTA, what um process would you go through to determine whether you should continue funding it?

One local interest if the locals aren't behind it, it's not worth doing it.

Because they can I mean the locals and the citizens can make or break any event that we do.

So I think uh getting local approval is a huge thing.

And luckily we've been we've gotten a lot of support from the community from the community leaders and from the local businesses.

So I think looking at that is a big thing.

And then for existing ones if they're if they're making a profit I mean it's real basic if they're making a profit stick with it.

And I did I think we put in their goals for this year.

We took it from creating new events to creating or expanding new events.

So I think expansion of existing events is a big deal and I think we need to really focus on that too.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

Now's your opportunity to just uh talk to us um about why you want to continue doing this or anything you think we haven't asked you or something you want to put on the record I will say when I took the role two years ago I really walked into it thinking I knew everything.

Come to find out I did not so I'm learning a lot but I have a lot of advice to give so working together as a group you know the first two months of doing it I I was really intimidated by Mr.

Geomi but after that I got my my feet wet and we're I think we're moving in the right direction.

Thank you so much.

Well we'll uh make our decision after we interview the other candidate and again thank you so much for the current service and we'll see where the thank you thank you.

Mr For us hi good morning you just have to push the button once and it'll turn green.

Perfect.

Have you been through an appointment process D4 is this your first no it's my first okay what we're gonna do is ask you a series of questions to help elicit uh your why and and whether we think you'll be a great fit for this position.

And then at the end you're more than welcome to tell us all about yourself or or why you want the job and the job.

I did call it a job even though it's free.

And it's an appointment but still it will feel like work I assure you but worthy work.

So um today we're gonna start in a opposite direction of what we normally do.

So Supervisor Shooty is gonna ask the first question.

Great and thank you so much for applying so my question um is please share an example of where you feel the city is excelling in promoting tourism and what do you believe makes it so successful?

Awesome.

So I've worked firsthand um with Visa Carson City on a few different projects they've done so my wife and I joined um the um basically a group with them last year we've gone to a few of the meetings and seen some of the things that they put together I love some of the Tamala Festa that is here this last year was super awesome I thought of it brought a little bit new jive to the city which was super great um so seeing kind of new new activities come I think that's kind of going to be the big focus that we really need to have as a city um to draw more to the city to create it more of a more of an exciting spot where people want to come and spend time.

Yeah.

Supervisor Horton.

Morning.

What's the most important thing to do next in order to approve this operation?

So the most important thing to approve this upper what do you mean by this?

The tourism.

I think I think we have to honestly I think I've been in cars for my whole life.

You know, I'm 38 years old and I grew up between here and Dayton.

And to me I think it's it's being recognized as this as a as a place to stop and be in as well.

I think that everybody heads towards Reno, towards Washoe Douglas County has a lot of uh pull as well I think that we are kind of this we're in kind of the best place to be to be able to bring in more tourism.

So I think it's just creating the right activities.

I think it's creating the the right draw getting the younger demographics more involved and having them come in and understand that hey you know it's it's a place where you can have fun too.

It's not just another place that is you know another bar or anything.

It's just it's just fun you know making it family friendly really focusing in on the on the family aspect of it as well.

Supervisor White thank you.

Good morning.

Morning.

What part of the tourist industry do you see think is growing the most and how does Carson City capitalize on that?

I think I've been able to travel across the United States and across the world and I think I think where we are um where there is opportunity I think in the tourism aspect of it would be I think there has to be more draw when it comes to uh food.

I think that's huge.

I think when it comes to I think people like to experience you know different items, different experiences when they go somewhere.

I know for my myself my family go anywhere of course we don't have a we're not set up for infrastructure like a theme park or anything like that.

But there are other ways that we can do and bring in more traffic um I do think creating experiences more than anything creating um festivals of some sort to draw things in I have a few different that I've been playing with for the last three years that I think would help bring in kind of a more driving um just more just more excitement I think so I think the experience aspect of it is the biggest key factor when it comes to any kind of tourism.

Thank you.

Supervisor Giomi thank you um Marlon thank you for applying um can you tell me what you think is the strongest cultural or tourism asset and what should be done to promote that asset or assets.

So has uh give me a little bit more of a is it more like more assets like well what do you what do you think is our strongest um feature if you will and what should we do to promote it?

I think the tourism or cultural yeah I think I think the beauty of where we're sitting I mean we're sitting in I've I've s stood in the middle of Mills Park and seen how beautiful our city is I mean I think that there's a lot of beauty in the exterior of it.

I love what we're already doing with roads I think that's going to be awesome to create more bike paths more bike lanes for the city to be able to you know extend on that.

I think our beauty of our how our city is I think that um to extend it once again I would go to the more to the experience side of it being able to bring more opportunities differ something different than what we've seen in the past um you know and that's where I hope to be able to come in and be able to bring some of those ideas and hopefully be able to flourish them out to to bring a different a different vibe to it.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for applying thank you.

So there's many programs that the CTA already supports um what do you think sh um should be utilized to determine if we should continue that funding on existing programs.

I think is getting the public's knowledge on it I think surveys are huge.

I think understanding what where what people really find as appealing is is kind of the number one thing I think being able to understand what you know looking at other cities what's what's driving them and really understanding is that fitting within the realm of what's making them successful and what's driving tourism to their their specific area.

So I think looking at the overall picture on how it's affecting across you know, not just our city but all their cities that are do have the tourism coming in or our outner line counties right outside and what's helping them and just kind of adapting some of those into our area.

Great, thank you.

Um so now it's your opportunity to just tell us the why or anything any information you want us to uh utilize before we make our decision.

Yeah, yeah.

Um so for me really quick I've been like I said I'm I've been in Carson City in Dayton my whole life.

I've grown up here.

I've seen it grow from a town of like twenty thousand people to where we are right now.

And that's huge.

And I think that the last thing I want to do is be left behind.

I think we have such an opportunity here where um there's a lot of there a lot of growth.

There's a lot of way to get you know uh a lot of the younger generations really involved in it.

A lot of them now are they're all tech savvy you know they're all you know everybody's looking online looking at TikTok looking at snapper figuring out which where they're gonna go based on that.

And I think that's where there's a huge opportunity for us is to really capture the new age of that newer generation and if we can capture it I mean it's gonna take us to the next level.

It's gonna be able to bring more business here where we can establish more commerce where we can have more you know more restaurants opening up more experience options for for different more family friendly things.

And I think that's what the city is missing.

I think that we have such we play to our demographic and I understand that.

But there is another realm and another I think another wave that we haven't really gotten there yet and I'm hoping to be able to be a part of that and hoping you help you know it grow in that direction.

So great thank you so much for interviewing and and doing such a great job.

Thank you all have a good day.

Okay.

Now it's up to us to uh this it makes it really tough we um generally speaking unless there's an issue we do a reappointment of candidates that request and I really appreciate that Andrew was willing to actually interview again and I found uh Mr Flores to be refreshing and idea oriented.

Um sorry we don't have multiple because it's like wow right you could get a couple of uh really good uh well that that's what I was looking to see if we could finagle both of them on um because I know Andrew works in hotel motor industry but the the law says that it has to be someone representing hotel motel industry in the county um not just in general so citizen and I was hoping there was a way we could get both of them on there because I found both of them I I mean obviously I know Andrew and his contribution and and Marlin seems uh well spoken and energetic and it's um it's truly one of those scenarios where we're blessed with um too much good stuff um and and nowhere to put them but I I'll uh I'll support Andrew's reappointment.

I I uh I know his work and uh I I think he's uh he's extremely valuable so uh and not that Marlon wouldn't be I just um Andrew's uh knowledge of the industry gives him a slight edge in my opinion.

Anyone else I I would um echo those uh sentiments and and I would say Marlon please stay involved I mean i if you weren't up against an industry insider you're a shoe in uh seriously that um I really want to see you back here uh looking to be appointed and even without that stay in a community keep pushing join those groups like you said you were doing uh I really appreciate uh that community effort okay so I agree a hundred percent um and Marlin one thing you said that uh it's really I love it being recognized as a place to stop and be thank you for for um stating that because I think that is an amazing goal and I know our culture and tourism um that really is is the objective so thank you for for describing it so perfectly but I also um feel that at this point the reappointment is I support that.

Thank you.

Okay, with that.

Did you want to comment?

Supervisor Horton.

I wanted to say thank you to both candidates of Marlin.

Outstanding job.

I I encourage you to look forward to other opportunities and stay involved.

Thank you so much for your presentation.

I I can't uh I can't tell you how tough it is with two great candidates, you know, to make these kind of decisions, but it's always great to see folks who are interested in the community who want to do well and serve our citizens.

So continue on.

Yeah, I'll add the same thing, Marlin.

Keep your eyes open for those volunteer opportunities.

I uh parks and rec open space.

Um, I mean, we we have a lot of them.

Audit committee, that's that's right of of the all of the committees, the audit committee right up here.

You get on the audits like a king.

It's like wearing a crown, man.

Um all right, um, we're gonna make a motion unless you have a comment.

Yeah, not after that.

Oh no, you can't do any better.

Is my favorite.

I could say that honestly.

Okay.

Supervisor Geomi a motion, please.

All right, I moved to appoint uh Andrew Reno for a two-year term starting on June 6, 2026, and expiring on June 5, 2028.

Second.

I have a motion and a second for uh Mr.

Reno's appointment.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

But I am positive we'll find somewhere for you.

Oh, audit.

Oh, you will learn more in audit.

That's true.

Any other committee.

I will although we're not going to join, Stacey said to me.

Bless you.

Bless you.

But thank you both so very much.

Thank you.

Okay, everybody's still good.

We'll keep moving.

Okay, we're now on agenda item 16A.

This is a presentation from uh the fire chief and stuff on our annual wildlands fuel division report.

Chief Nyberg.

All right, good morning again.

Good morning.

Uh Kevin Nyberg, acting fire chief for the record.

Uh thank you, Mayor.

Yeah.

Um, so this morning we get the chance to brag a little bit more on our um fantastic wildland fuels division.

Um, and so um, you know, we made it a little bit change of a change to the program a little bit ago, taking it from a seasonal program to a full-time program um year round um with full-time crews, and as part of that, the commitment back was we're gonna give you an annual report.

So um we're doing that.

Uh to say we're proud of this program is an understatement.

And I I think you saw that with the partnerships um and the community outreach.

Um uh we have we have really good uh friends in every community, and that's because this program gives us the opportunity to be out in the neighborhoods and have that personal touch um with the communities and and property owners and um and just uh making sure that they are educated and seeing what they need and just having that true partnership come together.

So it's a great um team within the fire department, it's a great team within the city, um, and we're just really proud of it.

So um, with all that, I'm gonna turn it over to the brains of operation.

Um, and Kimberly has just done a fantastic job um taking this program to the next level, and she's gonna um take us through the annual report.

Okay, really faithy.

Um so today I'm just sharing a brief highlights um over the report that was um included in the packet, um, an update on the city's fuel reduction programs and a couple of the key accomplishments.

Uh, see the wildland division focuses on reducing wildfire risk in Carson City.

Our mission is pretty simple to protect people, homes, and infrastructure by reducing hazardous fuels and supporting defensible space.

We work closely with federal and state partners who provide statewide technical expertise programs for residents and support of our fuel projects.

The national data and the city's emergency mitigation plan clearly identifies wildfire as the community's single greatest threat.

Carson City sits in the wildland urban interface and has a very high risk of wildfire, higher than 98% of counties in the United States.

We have steep slopes, heavy fuels, and strong winds, all factors increasing wildfire risk.

Reducing fuels and improving defensible space are two of the most effective ways to protect homes and evacuation routes.

Our work falls in three main areas that you've heard um about today: fuel reduction work, education and outreach, and our trailer and dumpster program.

Last year we treated over three hundred and eighty acres through hand thinning, mastication, which is mulching the brush, and pile burning.

Defensible space inspections over 150 were completed, and community workshops help.

We also collected over 200 tons of biomass.

All of this supports our larger goal of building a fire adapted community.

This slide reflects some of our larger interagency projects and accomplishments last year.

We've worked with Department of Public Parks Rec and Open Space as well as public works and emergency services.

This year we have a very well-defined set of projects across high risk areas in the city.

We continue advancing our core fuel reduction projects and strive to reduce our efficiency across high-risk priority areas.

We are positioned to leverage federal grants to support long-term risk and resilience and interagent coordination remains a major focus working with our partners in parks, rec and open space and public works to maintain safe, healthy open spaces, and to protect critical infrastructure.

Overall, 2026 is shaping up to be a year defined by strong partnerships and the ability to mitigate and reduce wildfire across the questions.

Happy to take any questions on the program.

Does any member have any questions?

I just have a comment.

You know, it's I I see trailers in our neighborhood quite often and the dumpster and residents actively pulling out the um dead fuels and making that defensible space and it really is so appreciated.

And thank you again.

And when new people move into the area, I let them know about it.

And you know, it's we have an opportunity in this community to all work together to be more fire safe.

And so thank you for making it much easier to do the right thing.

So if if a member of the public wants um one of the uh trailers or the dumpsters to be able to do the cleanup on their property, do they have to live in a specific area to be eligible for that, or is it anywhere that they can do fuel?

It's primarily um geared to people that live within the wildland urban interface.

However, the communities that have worked hard to become designated firewise communities, we've also grandfathered them into the program so that it's a benefit if they do the work to become a firewise community, they're eligible for the program.

So really just calling to see if they're eligible as is us.

And and what do you have to do to be firewise?

Is that working with with us or with uh the university program?

How do you they work with us?

Um so Firewise is a nationwide program where it brings together the communities to create a small board and that's committed to educating their neighbors and fuel reduction work.

They come up with a three-year plan, and then they stick to it, so it's kind of holding your neighbor accountable, and then they get a firewise designation, which does give some benefits if there's any concerns or if they're struggling with insurance.

Um, it can help support insurance.

Yeah, I think I I heard from uh several neighbors that the insurance companies are starting to send letters saying they are not going to insure them any longer because of uh where they live, and so I I'm overly concerned that we may see that becoming a prevalent issue.

And so I think it's wonderful if there's opportunities for those neighborhoods to help themselves to be able to retain insurance.

So they would just contact the main number at the fire department.

Yes, okay, perfect.

And I would encourage them to request a defensible space inspection as well.

We've helped provide letters and showing, I mean, there is a reason why the insurance companies from this fire are reaching out, but we can help them educate on what it needs to happen, and then we can document that they've done that work, and then they can resubmit to the insurance.

Okay.

Thank you.

Supervisor Giomi.

Yeah, I know in a lot of places there uh the insurance companies are sending letters out and have never been in that community.

They're blanket letters, so really the strength is in encouraging people to call the fire department.

Have them come out and do an assessment.

So you've got a professional who's done an assessment on your property, gives you the opportunity to combat your insurance company.

Maybe combat's a strong word, but you know, counteract your insurance company's assertion that you know you have issues.

And and I I was just gonna compliment you in those inspections, because I think that's um you know, we did a small amount of those back in the day, but I think they're vitally important to the program because they give that homeowner professional opinion, and it's hard to beat that one-on-one interaction where you actually get to talk to them and point to something that says this shouldn't be here, that's okay, because I think people are reluctant to to get rid of trees or reluctant to remove things that they don't have to remove.

So I I compliment you on those, and I think that's really a good direction because I think it's uh it's something uh that they can really use to help help with their insurance and hopefully keep those rates down.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, Shiva.

Yeah, um, and just to kind of tag on to that is you know, we say 50 to 100 feet for a property.

It's like do you have to take out every single tree, every plant?

No, that's not what it is.

You know, we we we don't we come out, we give an honest assessment and say what's practical for your property to protect against fire, and how can you limb up a tree so that it can stay and get the proper spacing?

Um, and I just wanted to point out one other thing, uh, an added benefit to this program that we have seen.

Um, we got to see to its fullest potential last week when we were able to pull in those crews off of uh project work and actually send them to the prison hill fire.

Um, and so um instantly we were able to add two more assets um to go and fight the fire, and that had a tremendous impact on keeping the fire uh smaller and and out of the home.

So um just a great a great program all around.

So thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay, I don't see any other questions.

Thank you so much for your report and the good work.

Okay, we are um gonna move now to agenda item 17A, which is action for our final budget for fiscal year 2027.

Mr.

Horton, may I have your disclosure, please?

Sure, sure.

Um, I'll get with you later on how short uh most disclosure was, so just we'll touch base.

NRS 281A 420 requires me to disclose a conflict and abstain from voting when I have a disqualifying conflict.

This agenda item is for the purpose is for excuse me, the proposed Carson City fiscal year 2027 final budget, which includes the general fund, special revenue funds, enterprise funds, and all other budgeted funds in the city.

My two sons are employed by the city as firefighters, and their salaries are funded by the general fund.

While I do have this familial relationship, this agenda item is a routine procedural matter for the broader purpose of taking action on the city's overall budget, and my son's salaries are being considered along with other employees' salaries in the aggregate.

There is no discussion specific to my son's individual salaries, nor is there any discussion specifically related to their employee positions.

Additionally, Nevada's ethics laws give appropriate deference to the public policy of the state, which favors the right of the public official to perform the duties for which the public official was elected or appointed and to vote because abstention disrupts the normal course of representative government.

Since abstention is the only is only required in clear cases where the independence of judgment of a reasonable person in my situation would be materially affected, and I do not believe that to be the case because this agenda matter concerns a broad policy consideration related to budgetary issues as a whole.

I make this disclosure for full transparency, but we'll be voting.

Thank you.

Supervisor Shooty, the same thing with a different name.

Go ahead.

Ditto.

Yeah.

NRS 281A point four two zero requires me to disclose a conflict and abstain from voting when I have a disqualifying conflict.

This agenda item is for the proposed Carson City Fiscal year 2027 final budget, which includes a general fund, special revenue funds, enterprise funds, and all other budgeted funds in the city.

My nephew, Chris Martinovich, is the city's transportation manager, and his salary is funded by the Regional Transportation Fund and the Fleet Management Fund.

While I do have a familial relationship with Chris, this is a routine procedural matter for the broader purpose of taking action on the city's overall budget, and my nephew's salary is being considered along with other employees' salaries in the aggregate.

There is no discussion specific to Chris's individual salary, nor is there any discussion specifically related to the position of transportation manager.

Additionally, Nevada's ethic law gives appropriate deference to the public policy of the state, which favors the right of a public official to perform the duties for which the public official was elected or appointed, and to vote because abstention disrupts the normal course of representative government.

Since abstention, it's only required in clear cases where the independence of judgment of a reasonable person in my situation would be materially affected.

And I do not believe that to be the case because this agenda matter concerns broad policy considerations related to budgetary issues as a whole.

I make this disclosure for full transparency, but we'll be voting.

Thank you so much.

Miss Benaboo, would you like to take us through this item, please?

Thank you very much, Mayor.

So this spreadsheet I have in front of you in the item today is uh approval of the final budget.

It's bringing the tenant changes from the tentative budget uh to the final budget.

And I'll go through those changes pretty quickly here.

The supplemental requests that were approved on April 16th are added to this.

The capital improvements were moved to various line items that will be spent out of.

Again, those were approved on April 16th.

Uh, there was one little um temporary staffing change of $5,062.

Um, it was in the library and it was just a line item that somehow got changed, and so we moved it back to the um where it should be.

Uh there was um as discussed in the meeting on April 16th.

Um, there were a few capital items that we're gonna leave in the general fund, one being the 200,000 dollars for the professional services of a legal to do the title um updates or the CCMC updates.

Um, there was 44,000 that is uh sheriff's restricted money that is going to be used for the coroner's um office to purchase a vehicle, and then um 83,606 um for the public defender's office, which will be reimbursed to the general fund through the state.

So um, so these items we did not transfer to Capital, we left them in the general fund, it's just capital purchased from directly from the general fund, uh, and then the only other big one was the street and highway infrastructure fund.

Also, we discussed this on April 16 that we did find the money.

So we were able to move 533,000 from undesignated in the current year and make sure it's available next year.

So we have the full 3.1 million for local streets and highways.

And then there is one final page.

Sorry, I forgot about this.

The one final page I added was a slight change to the court administrator positions being requested.

Um initially they were starting on December 1st.

Um, but the courts had asked if they could change the dates on there a little bit.

They had some internal retirements and and um court clerk issues, and so they're gonna try to hire those court clerks um a little earlier in August and hold off on hiring the marshal until next year, fiscal year twenty-eight.

Um, I did not change the budget because I don't want to lose that marshal position that was approved, so it will roll forward and it'll be it will still be included in fiscal year twenty eight.

We're just changing start dates for position.

Just start dates for position.

This approval would be to change the start date.

It would just change the start date, and if you know there's no um, if if they hire them at the at the requested hiring rate, it should save us a little bit of money.

And was there one position change of title too?

There was the judicial assistant.

They're no longer gonna hide oh, they're gonna hire a senior clerk instead, and the net result is a reduction?

It's a reduction about 7,700 bucks.

Well, I'm happy for them to participate in our general fund savings.

Okay, thank you.

And those are the only changes unless there's any other questions.

Does any member have a question?

No.

You don't have something.

Okay, is there any public comment on the budget?

Mr.

French.

Danny French Carson said thank you.

Um the reconciliation of changes from the tentative to the final uh FY27 budget.

Um I don't believe that was part of the presentation, but I was just wondering how what does that mean?

So is there an a person that could did I get it out of the wrong?

This is the paper I'm going from and I didn't get the page number.

That's okay.

I'm sorry, that's the next part.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Is there anyone else?

Seeing none, I'll bring it here for a motion.

Does somebody supervisor Giomi?

Uh move to approve the Carson City final budget for fiscal year 2027 as presented.

So I got I have a motion and a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye, any opposed say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Another year down.

Okay.

We're now gonna move on to agenda item 17 B for possible action on the deletion of capital assets.

Um, Miss Benaboo, you wanted some direction here.

Yes, thank you.

So this item is um something that we bring towards the board usually during the annual audit.

It's just a list of deletions.

There's really no action on it because it they've already been deleted.

So if you tell me no, I can't go out and get the vehicle that's already been doctioned off.

But it is a list to let you know what we're doing and when.

Um, and so um what I'm looking for, because I had this great idea to bring them as part of the capital plan, and um, you know, so there'd be some synergy there, you'd see what we deleted and then what we're looking to buy, and then I forgot because the budget is a huge project with a lot of items that I have to bring.

So my apologies.

Um I am bringing it today, but I kind of was wondering if that seemed like a good idea, and I will promise to bring it during the budget next time, or if you prefer to hear it during the audit, or just looking from some direction as to when you would like to hear it.

So I like it, I don't know.

I like it with the audit because it's the picture, it's always what happened.

Okay.

Right.

And so the audits the final for the fiscal year, the deletions for the year.

I think that all fits as a audit type of activity, and you're required to have that even for the auditors to show compliance, right?

That we're keeping our inventories and assets counted.

And I think it's important during an audit process that the public recognizes that we do track our assets, you know, that they're not they're not leaving us, and we really want those people on the audit committee.

That's just a recommend anyway, just a recommendation, but I like it with the audit because I think it fits the whole year, and then we can always utilize the document if we're questioning something in the capital budget anyway.

Okay.

So and you do a good job on the capital budget telling us what vehicles being replaced, what it's anyway, so that's just my thoughts.

Okay.

Maybe we really don't care.

I was gonna say, I don't think it matters that much, but it makes sense at the audit because sometimes when you're talking about the capital improvement plan, you haven't yet gotten rid of those yet.

You're planning to get rid of them, but you haven't you're not ready to to, you know, remove them as an asset.

So I think that the audit makes sense.

Okay.

Okay.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Uh come on now.

Where are all my people for the audit committee and the Marlin left?

So we're just not working out.

Supervisor Giomi, did you just want to go ahead and make a motion?

Sure.

Uh I move to direct staff to bring this.

Bring to this board annually for review the list of deleted capital assets with the presentation of the audit.

I second.

I have a motion in a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

I any opposed say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate the direction.

Thank you.

Uh-huh.

We're now on to agenda item eighteen A, and this is on our 9-11 surcharge master plan.

Share if Furlong, are you gonna give us some highlights here of what's changing?

And you bought brought uh Micah with you.

Thank you for the record, Sheriff Furlong and uh business manager for the sheriff's office, Michael Chalk.

Um not any significant changes on our nine one-one surcharge uh plan for the five years.

Um obviously we want to bring this back to the board at this time of the year rotationally to keep the board informed.

We are doing um there's a few shifts in funding that end up happening as time goes on of available, right?

Because cost centers change.

Unfortunately, they get more expensive.

Somehow they just don't seem to get less expensive.

Um, but if sorry, Miss Benaboo, you stayed.

So come on up.

I just on the record, it's just um it's not a formality actually for me, but before I'm able to vote on this, we did align the changes in the master plans funding mechanisms that were in this plan with our budget.

So we are aligned.

Absolutely.

We worked with Mike on this item to make sure they were aligned.

Okay, it's just important that I have that on the record that we're not voting on something that we don't have any funding and we just give you wishful, wishful thinking.

Wish money.

Yeah, the money and the wishing.

So anyway, that was that was mine that I needed on the record that we're aligned um in the plan.

Does anybody else have any questions on the plan?

No.

Is there any public comment on this on the master plan for the 9-11?

No.

Supervisor Horton, a motion, please.

I move to approve the proposed revision to the 911 surcharge master plan as presented.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Okay.

Any opposed say no?

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

We're gonna take just like a five minute recess.

We'll let uh hope get set up.

Well, it's 10.

There there's something happens right at 10 o'clock, you know.

So we're um in a recess just for a brief moment.

I know she's like, I'm just gonna.

Okay, we're um back in session and we're on agenda item 19A.

Um, this is action for direction on an ordinance for the short-term rental properties.

I'm going to um run this little section of the agenda a little bit different than normal because I think it could um provide other insight.

So I'm going to have Ms.

Sullivan present the item, and then I'm going to take the public comment just in case there's items that they would like to discuss before we as a board start discussing what we like and don't like.

So we're just gonna run this one a little bit different.

Um also uh just in case people aren't aware, just to get it out there on the record, that the assessor has let me know that they have been reviewing anyone with a short-term rental in advertising, and they are then putting those properties at the higher rate for property taxes.

So instead of getting 3% as a residential, you move to the maximum of the 8%.

So I just wanted to put that on the record so that you're aware that another byproduct of this is the people move to the 8% property tax cap.

So with that, Ms.

Sullivan.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um the Board of Supervisors has looked at this topic of short-term rental regulations quite a bit over the last two years.

What the board has said is we know short-term rentals exist in the country and in Carson City, and the ordinance should address those.

We had listening tours, we've done different things to get input.

And so the objective today is to kind of go over that scope of input that's been received over the last two years, actually, and have the board identify what are those items.

You know, we're looking at it, the mayor and I, as we talk about it, talk about it as a menu.

And you're gonna select those items off the menu that you'd like included in the ordinance, and then the DA's office will prepare the ordinance according to to the direction you provide today.

So the first question, and we'll I'll just go quickly through this so you understand the scope, and then we can go back and you'll have your conversation.

So the first question is what zoning dist in what zoning district should a short-term rental be allowed, and we've listed the zoning districts for you.

Um next, if it's allowed, should it be a permitted use or a conditional use?

And when you look at conditional uses, there's two options.

One's an administrative permit, and the other is a special use permit.

The findings for the two are identical, however, procedurally, they're a little bit different, but they also have a lot of similarity as well.

Um, the similarities I'll talk about first.

They both are a public hearing, they both involve noticing.

The noticing is in the newspaper on the website and by first-class mail.

The administrative permit can be issued by a hearings officer, the special use permit can only be issued by the planning commission.

So when we look at conditional use, the staff does not have the authority to allow that use to establish, only the hearings officer or the planning commission, and they do so only after the hearing that will be held on the request for conditional use has been properly noticed.

You also can have a prohibited use.

So the prohibited use, and I'm gonna just show this as a graphic, and this I apologize to people watching on TV, but this is a page of section 1804, just so you can see what it looks like.

And this is what's called the table of permitted uses, and we just picked the agricultural and conservation reserve because it's the first one that appears in the code.

So the um the key is at the top.

And so you'll see when you look at your table of permitted uses, it identifies all the potential uses that can be allowed in that zoning district.

And again, in this case, we're just looking at ag and conservation reserve as an example.

And you have a couple choices.

It can be a P, which means it's a permitted use.

There's no hearing, you're just going and gain a building permit.

So you can think of a house and a residential zoning district.

They don't need to go to any hearings or get notification, they just get to do it.

You also have an S, which means it's a conditional use and will require a special use permit.

You have an A, which means it's a con it needs the administrative permit, which I just talked about, which is the same findings as the special use permit and the same notification, or if it's blank, it means it's simply not allowed.

This page has one blank under fraternal association.

You'll see the blank under agricultural, which means you're not allowed to do that in the agricultural, it's prohibited.

You also, and I credit um Supervisor Shuty with this.

On the far left column, you can see check marks because when we were working on Title 18, Supervisor Shuty said, Well, how will you know if there's supplemental standards?

And it was a good question.

So we came up with having that column on the far left with a check mark that says, okay, and we'll say with the accessory dwelling unit for a second.

If you look at the agricultural zoning district, it's a permitted use, but there's supplemental standards.

So the planner or the person who's going to do an accessory dwelling unit will look at this and say, Oh, you can do it, but there's supplemental standards.

So let me go to typically 1805 or division one of the development standards, but we're going to talk about that to see what those supplemental standards are.

Next, we look at potential standards for short-term rentals.

And this is in your staff report, so I don't think I'll go in depth on this right now, but this will be something that you'll talk about.

And we've listed those.

So as you talk about that, the public can see what was in your report.

Then we talked about enforcement because we're talking about where to put those supplemental standards.

And in terms of enforcement, actually, I might have had okay, in terms of where to put it.

So where do you put the standards?

Do you put the standards in Title IV or in Title 18?

Title IV is kind of a weird title if you look at the scope of what's included in Title IV.

It just is sort of a catch-all of a lot of stuff.

Right now, community and economic development and force four 4.04, which is business license, 413, which is the liquor board and liquor licensing, and 414, which is gaming licenses.

So one of the things you'll talk about is whether or not the supplemental standards will go in 18 or in Title IV.

As part of that discussion, we can discuss how do you handle violations if it's in Title IV versus Title 18.

When you read Title IV, Title IV directs you to Title I for the how to handle the violation.

Title I tells you it's a misdemeanor, so again, criminal punishable by imprisonment and jail for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than a thousand dollars or both.

Title Eighteen kicks you over to Title VII because it says a violation of Title Eighteen as a as a nuisance.

Title VII has the nuisance regulations, and the enforcement of a nuisance regulation can be either a criminal or a civil pathway.

I want to just remind you on enforcement at your workshop on February 20th, what you all had said you thought would be a good approach for enforcement on short-term rentals was the first violation.

The responsible party had to respond on the second violation within a 12-month period.

So everything's within 12-month period, it's a $500 fine.

Third violation, a thousand dollar fine, fourth violation would be revocation of the business license consistent with 404 210.

Um I think that's your menu, and I'll stop there.

Thank you.

So I would like to take if there's any we did receive, and I think everybody has their packet of the written public comments concerning what issues they would like addressed.

But is there any other public comment on proposed options and what your thoughts are on this?

Mr.

French.

But also I have a situation where I've come aware of a uh circumstance that's gonna affect me directly as far as short-term rentals.

And individuals involved seem totally unaware of any of this process going on now or what it means to be like I just heard today the first time that the property tax differential will be taken in and advising the community through the paper.

I'm tending to want to show the people all the articles that have been related through hope and different people to advise people.

Um but it something's missing as far as public understanding.

I'm still working on all the attributes, but um it would be helpful, I think, to uh present what's gonna happen to those that are already having those facilities in in service and and renting and what will happen if then they don't comply in the future when they're found not to be.

That sort of thing would be addressed.

I'd appreciate it too.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Do I have any other public comment?

Is it here somewhere?

Okay.

Then what I'd like to do is I'll bring it back up here, and I think for um to ensure that we're giving good direction and that it's clear where we're going, we should take each section and work through that.

So the first question is if we do not want them, right?

So we can still say no, we don't want them.

We can give them permitted, or we can require them to be an administrative.

Well, let's start with do we want them at all?

Because that then sets up the next sections.

So the first issue is I think we we've decided that we're going to allow them.

Okay.

Okay, then we'll move on to the options of permitted, or do we want a special use permit or an administrative permit?

And I think the most important piece of recognition is even if we do P permitted, it doesn't mean that they don't have conditions to meet to maintain their license.

And I think that's probably the um largest, again, understanding, right?

What does it really mean?

So we can still say you have to respond within 30 minutes, things of that nature, and have a permitted.

So for me, I'm I'm leaning towards it's permitted with a P.

How about Supervisor Giomi?

You stuck your hand up.

So yeah, just I kind of a couple of questions about process for hope for Dan.

Um, if if we do um if we do administrative, um right now it requires noticing, and and I appreciate that I it didn't when you were talking about that at our retreat or workshop, it didn't click with me that we're gonna be sending out.

I mean, I you know, in concept, I heard you and I went back and listened because I I thought, well, gosh, I don't I don't think I really wanted notices to go out because what's the purpose in that?

Because the neighbors are, I mean, there's nothing they're gonna say that's essentially gonna say no, you can't do it.

So the point for me behind having the permit was to get them to come in and have a way to understand the regulations and have those before them.

So if we did, and I like the formality of the administrative, I I like the formality of that, not that we couldn't do it on a license, because we we do that with with marijuana and with liquor um liquor and entertainment and with um uh tattoo parlors, right?

Yeah, okay.

Gaming, in any case, gaming so um if we did an administrative permit, we would have to change things significantly to not do notices.

We'd have to have like a special administrative permit, otherwise, right, you're gonna be obligated to do noticing and have to change all of that, correct?

Um, yes.

So basically, right now the procedural due process on the administrative permit is in the code, it's in Title 20.

I think I'm sorry, Title 18, I think it's 1802.

Um, so what the mayor was alluding to, and I put this back up on the screen because I think this is the graphic that describes what she was alluding to.

If we stay with accessory dwelling unit, what's coincidentally is the first use that shows up because it's alphabetical.

And if you look at the agricultural zone, we'll just stay there for a second.

It's a permitted use.

So you're not going to a hearing, but has that check mark so that you know you have supplemental standards.

And so you can you can certainly do that with liquor.

We do do noticing, that's a that's a liquor hearing, but there there is, um, we post that agenda.

We but you don't mail things out.

No, we do not do first class mail on a liquor, liquor is handled in title four, not in title eighteen.

I got that.

So the administrative permits title eighteen.

So if you were to to put this in title four, and that will be a conversation you have, you could craft a procedural due process for it.

Um, but if if you're if it's well, the land use needs to be an 18 because you need to know what zoning districts are allowed.

I'm still not getting to the crux of what I'm asking.

If you change if you change the admin, if you have two types of administrative permits, let's pretend variances.

We have two types.

We have minor variance and and major variance.

A minor variance, you notify the immediate neighbors, major variance, it's within a certain circumference.

So you could certainly have something say a minor administrative permit where there's not notification or notification that's different than an administrative permit, and then the normal administrative permit.

So that would be an option.

So we would if we wanted to keep it as an administrative permit the way it's currently defined, we'd have to create a third category if we didn't want to notice at all.

Correct.

So given that, it seems to me that it makes sense for me to list it as a P, and then you can put a check mark which references more standards, more standards, whether that be in Title 18 or Title IV.

So that would be that would be my preference.

Because we are moving forward with a situation that could potentially introduce a nuisance that does not currently properly exist, uh, I think the neighbors should be notified, at least the adj directly adjacent neighbors, and if we can do that within a structure that exists, I don't see a reason to invent a new one.

So that's where I'm at.

I have a quick question.

What would so with notification, what would the purpose of the notification be?

Is it to ask opinion about whether it should be permitted?

Um, because I think that's where it gets complicated.

I really appreciate the idea of notification, but in terms of if it should be permitted, then that creates its own issue.

Um neighbor against neighbor.

Um so it gets super complicated.

I'm I'm interested in the administrative side, uh, a minor without notification.

I do like that idea in that it allows for a little uh or allows for greater oversight uh in terms of really being clear that there's only one um short-term rental on a property, or it just adds a much more oversight, so I'm I'm inclined to go that direction, although I know it also then means changing um the language.

So it's not no, we don't need the minor is not without notice, it is noticed, it's a smaller distance.

The minor doesn't exist right now.

But you'd be creating a new a new.

You just said I'm sorry.

I said there was a minor variance.

Minor variance.

I misunderstood that.

I apologize.

The new creation one that wouldn't require noticing, but still allows for I think more oversight.

So on the minor variants, there is notification, but it's shorter, correct.

And the staff has the authority to issue, the director has the authority to issue a minor variance, whereas a major variance goes to the planning commission.

What if to to satisfy the concern that Supervisor White has and it sounds like supervisor shooting?

What what if because I I'm not sure what the notification does in advance of the administrative permit.

Because if if the notification goes out and the five neighbors come in and all complain that they don't want it there, and there's no basis for them to complain that they don't want it there, then we're gonna issue it anyway, and we're gonna have a bunch of upset people.

I don't agree with the notification per se because of that.

Yeah, she doesn't want to do that.

And it so maybe maybe we do it the other way and we do a business license, and uh if you want to notice it, that's important.

Maybe it goes out after it's issued, and you just say, hey, by the way, FYI.

Uh following business license has been issued at 1234 Main Street in your neighborhood.

If you have any issues, here's the number to call for code enforcement.

I don't know.

So again, I I think the you have two issues.

So one is do we want so I think about the reality.

I am a person that owns a home, I live in Texas, I'm gonna do short-term rentals, I apply for a business license.

Can a represent so what you're saying is you want it to go to a hearings officer so that we can have them check the boxes that they're aware of the regulations.

Because I guess I'm trying to actually understand a process, so pretend that Heather is the hearings officer and she's gonna go.

I just want you to know for sure that you have to do whatever the menu we select today.

But I'm I'm struggling with that can be done in Title Four with the business license, it can have a requirement that says you have to have a meeting with the hearings, whomever we designate, you have to have a meeting.

Do they have to do it in person or can they send a representative?

I'm really trying for us to get to the true heart of it, or is it that there is these supplemental requirements attached to your business license, and you have to sign and validate these are your rules, and before you can get the business license, you have to have this signed supplemental information so that not only is it in the regulation, but you signed that you knew it was in the regulation, and these were the extra rules.

I think that's what I'm trying to.

I'm trying to walk through a process because we're not gonna make the guy from Texas fly in for a five-minute, 10 minute meeting.

Why not?

Well, what for?

Well, they have to comply or they lose and get their fines.

I mean, I guess I look at it in a way to take a second.

They can send a representative.

It can also be on Zoom.

Can also be on Zoom.

Can I take a step back just to be really basic on land use?

So really basic concept for you that might help.

And I I do it, land use 10 or 2010 training.

This is typically how I phrase it.

You won't have the benefit of the PowerPoint public.

Easy.

Okay, so permitted use.

That's a use that's a no-brainer.

It's okay to be there.

You know what you're going to get.

A house is a house, it's a house.

It can be a 1500 square foot house, it can be a 5,000 square foot house.

It's still a house.

We know what's happening there.

So that's a permitted use.

When you look at a conditional use, what I often say is when you look at land use, you have three choices yes, no, and maybe.

So can that use be there in that zoning district?

Can a house be in a residential zoning district?

Yes, it can.

No big deal.

Can a factory be in the residential doning district?

No, it can't.

It's prohibited.

That's easy.

There's nothing to talk about.

So when do you do a conditional use?

A good example of a conditional use is a church.

Because when we talk about a church, you five may have five different perceptions in your mind of what this church is.

The church could be a small Quaker church with four benches.

That's maybe a thousand square feet.

It can also be a church that's a huge auditorium.

They're both called a church.

And so the impacts of one is not identical to the impacts of the other.

So when you look at when you identify something as a conditional use, you tend to do that because you're not certain what you'll get because of the broad spectrum of what it could be and the impacts that it could have.

So I think if you think in in that framework, I'm hearing some of you say, Well, we know what we're getting when we have a short-term rental, it's not gonna be a mystery what it is, and we'll figure out what those standards are.

And so why?

And Supervisor shooter, you said, Well, what's the benefit of the public comment?

The benefit of the public comment, and again, if we use that church example, one, we didn't know what we're gonna get.

And secondly, we want the benefit of public input from the folks who actually live there and whose property will be impacted, because we can study the area all day long, but we are we're not the same as the person who lives there.

And so I think you have to think in terms of land use right now, like be really segmented and think to yourself is this something that could have a broad spectrum of impacts based on the intensity, or is this pretty predictable?

If it's pretty predictable and you're comfortable with it, you can call it a permitted use.

Thank you.

Supervisor Horton.

Let's not complicate it.

Let's keep it simple.

Put it in title four, issue a business license.

Have the hearing officer review it and minimize the notification area to what is reasonable, period.

Yep.

Yep, yep.

So let's start with each issue just so that we don't get confused in the direction.

So do we want it as a permitted use?

And so I want permitted.

Anyone else uh Curtis?

Sorry, Curtis just said he wanted permitted.

Um permitted permitted, okay.

So we have at least three permitteds.

So okay, so we got the first issue is permitted.

Let's talk about where, right?

Cause you have your list of places.

So I think we had already decided, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

Uh we said we were gonna do the single family, right?

Did we just say residential?

I'm just in it or chart.

I know, but uh anyway, all the ones with single family on your.

Let me ask you, is it a is it is residential a gross categorization?

It's individual, right?

I don't know, no, it's not gross.

It would be what the board wants.

If you're comfortable with multifamily apartment and mobile home park, um to go let's go through piece by piece.

Well, I just need to know what you want.

Yeah, I get it.

Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't restrict them.

I'm just that's working.

Are you starting at the top?

Why don't you start at the top?

Oh, concert agriculture.

No, for me.

Wait, is agriculture the they have a house on it?

It's just because it's the acreage that gets the agricultural uh anywhere that that allows residents, a residence.

Okay, it is it straight up, is it a P?

Yes, it's a P.

Okay.

So is that let me ask it?

That's a good way that uh Supervisor White just said, anywhere in which a house can be, we allow it.

Is that what you're is that enough to tell you which way?

So let me say then, is that meaning an apartment?

I don't want to do apartments.

With an apartment, I don't want to do apartments.

I don't know yet.

Doesn't mean we can't come back and revisit apartments, but I don't want to I don't want to do apartments.

What about you guys?

No apartments.

Uh fourplex.

Those, yeah, but not apartments.

I don't want a hundred unit, yeah, no apartments, and they're picking one apartment that they could do.

It's not a workaround for a motel.

Right.

Yeah.

So no, but it's not zoned.

There's fourplexes are not zoned as fourplexes.

We don't have a four plex zoning.

So you'll have to clarify that.

Town homes, what let's see on here what it is.

Well, so right now, the way I read this, we're we're gonna be permitted in going from the list on page 548.

We're gonna be permitted all the way down to multifamily duplex for right now, right?

Is that a fair statement from what everybody is agreeing to?

Yes, and we're multifamily apartments and we said no there.

RO.

It's a can be a residence or an office.

That's a yes, yes, general office, it apartments or uh residence could be there, but it's not permitted, correct?

Correct, and just as a reminder, when you looked at this during the workshop, um, what was proposed was everything except for the industrial and the public zonings, and there was a supplemental standard that had to be a dwelling, so it can't be like a shed or some other use.

Good.

Sold for me.

So we're yeses then all the way down to downtown mixed, and then everything after that is no.

No.

She just said everything except industrial and public.

As long as it said no apartments either.

Well, no apartments we passed, yeah, and no apartments, but as long as it's uh a dwelling, correct?

Oh, that's well, we're going down into the supplemental standards, but that's what the discussion at the workshop, yes.

Right, and and the dwelling would include the apartments that are on the second floor of a number of main street properties.

Correct.

What you're looking at right now is not land use.

You're looking at zoning, and you're identifying again based on this table of permitted uses.

So we know where in the table where to amend the table of permitted uses and what zoning districts.

And what I'm hearing is the board is saying no for the zoning district called multifamily apartment, no for any industrial zoning districts, and no for public, and everything else will have that check mark with a P.

Perfect.

Right?

And just to understand, there are going to be places that are zoned multifamily apartment that have single family homes in it.

And we're not going to allow it.

I'm just I'm not saying that's wrong, but that's the result of what we just told her.

Is is that it?

Wait a minute.

Let's talk about that.

I'm I'm sure that's probably a true statement because we're looking at zoning and not land use.

That said, I I haven't inventoried the land uses in the multifamily apartments.

But I'm sure there's townhouses and things like that.

No doubt in my mind that there's some zoning districts that are multifamily apartment that have townhomes or duplexes.

Okay, can we solve that then in the piece where it's one dwelling unit?

Yeah, well, we get to just different and allow it and do it in the conditions that you have to have a single one place or whatever.

Yeah, what you can do is if you want to allow it in multifamily apartment under certain circumstances, then when you get to your supplemental standard, you can identify what those circumstances are.

Okay.

I think we don't want to stop somebody that happens to have a residential and there's four apartments two blocks over or something.

Yeah, we're just gonna have to just what that is, because as supervisor white said, there are apartments above uh business in the middle of downtown, right?

Um, and are we saying we're going to exclude that?

I I'm not saying one way or the other, but that's the question we need to answer.

What's the number?

We'll do that when we get down into the individual standards.

I understand.

Yeah, start thinking, start thinking, Stacey.

Do you have enough for that to know what you're doing in that one?

Okay, so we have P and we have the uh the use areas.

Now we can talk about um what standards we're looking for.

Um so if we start with um, I think the number one is is the most important, you know, right?

So we agree with number one, everybody that it has to be a dwelling unit, not a shed, not a clarification on uh must be established in a building that is currently lawfully used as a dwelling unit.

If you stay with that narrow definition of currently, if it's a vacant lot and you build a house on it later, you're outside.

No, because he won't get his business license till the house is built.

The current use of that piece of property is nothing at this point, it's at the time of application.

Yeah.

So the house has to be there before they can apply.

They can't apply on a vacant lot.

This was put in because during the listening sessions, what we heard from some folks is that we have um property owners in town renting out sheds and things like that that are not dwellings.

But as the mayor mentioned, the concept of current means current at the time of application, not at the time of adoption of ordinance.

So can we put some sort of language to clarify that?

Sure, it can say that is at the time of application is lawfully used.

Well, all of this will apply at the time of application.

It's not it doesn't run with the land.

Right.

Uh Mr.

U.

That's overarching that it's at time of application.

If if there's a crafter thing you need in there, let us know.

Or you can do that.

I think we'd all let the district attorney's office if there's any that type of stuff, you'll feel free to save us from ourselves.

Okay.

But it's at time of application.

Okay.

No, I I have that mayor, and I I think everybody's comments are correct.

All these conditions that are enumerated here by hope in the staff report, that doesn't run with the land that runs with the license application.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay, so number two, only one short term rental on the property.

So if you have a duplex, one of them can be, not both of them.

Right?

Unless they have a separate parcel number.

Or if you have any DU, it can and a main house it can only be one or the other.

Right.

So we're all agreeing it's one.

Okay.

So number two is in the owner rental must pay the room rental tax consistent.

We all agree that it's taxable.

The law, it's the law.

Okay.

Um except for.

Do you even need to say that?

Sorry.

Do you even need to say that?

It's the law.

Yeah, but I think we want it for them to know they have to go register.

Because I think there's a nuance.

There's isn't there a nuance on the number of bedrooms that's the problem at the CTA?

Well, that's three bedrooms versus.

The DA's office is working on updating.

The benefit of this is um our t our articulating it in here is that the regulator who works for the city, whether it's business license or the planner, will know I can't renew this business license or I can't approve this permit until this happens.

So that was the idea, and then they had to ask for the evidence of it.

Okay, so number four, do we care about trash bins?

Yeah, but the bear proof thing, no.

That's silly.

I don't think it's silly at all.

Yeah, I it's why would we do that?

I would I don't because it's uh we have people coming to the area potentially who aren't familiar with bears or or and I just think it's really important, especially if they put it out even within the 24 hours and if they put it out the day before and it's not picked up for the next day.

I just think uh We already have a requirement for bear proof containers, Rick.

Do we not?

Sorry, were you taking a nap?

No.

Is it is there not a requirement?

No, what about the apartment downtown above a business?

Are you gonna make them put in a bear proof trash can in that little tiny alley that's what I'm telegraph?

That makes no sense.

We should have an area defined if we're gonna do this about where the bear proof cans are necessary and where they're not.

Well, I if we're gonna do that, then we should do it for everybody, it's my opinion.

And and honestly, you know, there are there are bear proof that it's it's not bigger than excuse me, um, other receptacles.

It just has a different latch.

No, I have one.

It's not bigger, it's not bigger.

But I thought there was a I thought there was a uh I could have sworn that when we did the franchise agreement, there was something, whether it was in the animal ordinance or whatever that if you if your container gets tipped over so many times and we have to respond that you're forced to put in a a bear-proof container.

Rick Cooley, come on up.

So it's maybe asked by one.

So Rick really fees.

There is that.

But it's more in it's right.

I'll tell you right now it's more.

No, we didn't add anything in there that bear proof carts are available.

But there was something that if you had there was a lot of discussion about it, but nothing was ever finalized.

There was just like now, there was a lot of things.

Yeah, different opinions.

I think the greatness of this one is we can take out the requirement for the bear proof, but what a perfect answer if they happen to be in an area that gets bears and the complaints are coming in for the trash, the mitigation or the answer is start taking fines, or you know, let's do the bear-proof thing because you're in a certain area.

Well, I I don't know how we tell.

This one in that.

One property.

They have to have a bear-proof trash can when the property right next door does not have to have it.

Because the property next door isn't being used as a short term rental.

The property next door people are there living there, but short-term rentals, it's more the transient, and then there will be days that no one is there.

So I can live with that.

I could leave it.

Doesn't matter.

Not enough.

How much is the price difference?

It's not bad.

I don't know.

It's like uh dollars more or something to get a bear approved.

Fifty more a year in total.

We can leave it.

Okay.

We've got agreement.

Well, I have one.

So I just don't remember how much I think it's bill is eighty dollars.

Uh I think it's seven dollars a month.

I think the biggest issue on on these rentals is they're go odds are consistency wise, they're gonna come in on a Friday and they're gonna leave on a Sunday.

The the property manager will come in on Tuesday for my Wednesday trash and it might have been sitting around and there's no one there to watch it.

I guess I don't see it being administered any different than any other trash can myself.

But we're probably getting more and more people with bear proof because it's getting to be more of an issue.

Well, we should be, I can tell you that.

But um, so okay, we'll leave number four as is.

Let's go to five, which did say the owner must provide the statement on the that he's not in any uh deed restriction issues with his C C and Rs or um or should that also say bylaws, oh by laws or the HOA piece, right?

Okay, everybody good with that.

Um six, no events, weddings may occur.

An event is a gathering of people that exceeds.

I don't like this one.

I don't like it.

Can't have any visitors.

Exactly I don't like this.

I think the I think we this one to me is what we are setting up for neighbor on neighbor complaints.

Um, no, i i I think something that would say no other commercial activity like I I just stayed uh in a bed and breakfast in Hisperia over the weekend, and it says no other commercial activities such as filming, photographing, commercial weddings, commercial activities.

No commercial, I like the commercial.

Yeah, it was pretty interesting reading that whole so you wouldn't say no events.

I mean, I would still like to keep the no events component.

But let's try let's look at that in conjunction with the next one that talks about I look at these together of the quiet time, and so I don't care if you have a daytime wedding or birthday party.

What we want to do is cap the impact to the neighborhoods, I think based on the timing, right?

When do you expect peaceful enjoyment of your home?

Right, is and maybe that's nine you can't do anything after nine p.m., you know.

So you'd be good with a 50 person wedding in the backyard.

I have one in mine.

I've had three of them.

I'm not okay with that.

It's a norm.

But if we're allowing it, it could be the norm.

You don't know if it's gonna be the norm or not.

That doesn't matter.

It's during the day.

I think you mitigate that with parking restrictions as well.

Well, frankly, we weren't gonna do parking restrictions.

But it can't be commercial.

It might not be a wedding, it might be a club meeting or something.

Right.

So it's the boat club or quite no commercial.

If we're open at number seven, I think that's why you go for a nine p.m.

Yeah, quiet time, and by the time the neighbors complain, it's 10 o'clock when it should be quiet.

Down.

Yeah.

I don't have a problem changing it to nine.

I still have a problem not saying no events.

Whether we define events or not, that's the problem.

I don't know.

I only want things we can easily identify and enforce.

I guess and I don't want the birthday party, that's an event.

I mean, we'd all have a then make it double the occupancy.

Make it double the occupancy.

The point is we don't want a group of twenty people at a house.

I don't care if it's two in the afternoon or 10 o'clock at night.

It's it's not an if you if there's a short-term rental and someone is gathering there, the difference between that and someone like it in your neighborhood.

You're not having a wedding.

You've had three in 15 years, 10 years.

You know, here we could have three in a month.

That's kind of what I'm there's a big difference between a prayer group in the backyard and a motorcycle group in the backyard.

Big difference.

Right.

I I think no event suits the purpose.

It who you're not gonna get an Airbnb and have a wedding in the backyard in most cases, that's not going to be the purpose anyway.

You might have multiple guests who stay with you because you're in the venue where the wedding's gonna occur somewhere in the town, but I just think you need to be very careful with that.

And I agree with Stacey.

Double the maximum capacity.

I don't want to do maximum capacity.

So that means at all times they're gonna pretend three bedrooms, six people.

So do we want to do double then because they can have the family visit?

I have a suggestion on that at number 12.

Again, my experience just this weekend at Hisperia, with the let's not get too far ahead, but it's kind of folding in.

Uh it's two people per bedroom.

Uh no sleeping in the common area, and in no case more than 10 people.

It keeps you, you know, if you have a five thousand square foot house with seven bedrooms, you can't have fourteen people there.

You can only have ten, ten people max.

Well, two people per bedroom, not more than ten in any case.

I like the no sleeping in common area.

I like that.

I like that ad.

I like doubling the the whatever the bedroom occupancy is.

For for the visitors, so that we're not arguing over.

If you rent a huge house wherever it is.

If you're renting a 5,000 square foot house and you have seven bedrooms, you may I don't know, to limit it to 10 seems, you know, it's two families of of five.

Right.

Um exceeds double, and we want to add the no commercial activities, no commercial activity.

So it's no events or commercial activities, and an event is a gathering of people that exceeds double the maximum of occupancy.

Is that clear enough for you?

Director, what else do we need?

He said no.

Shoot.

What do you need, buddy?

I I I would really like to get some examples from this board as to what would constitute a quote unquote commercial activity.

I mean, that's that's a very broad term, and and as you know, Lori is I'm sorry, as the house has a license.

Right.

I I mean, and one of the things that we want to do, we want to be careful of is we uh it's it's a fine balance we're trying to strike, right?

I understand the difficulty in this and in wrestling over some of these terms and concepts.

Um it's good to have specificity um without being overly specific, but for enforcement purposes, we want to make sure that you know nothing is is ambiguous or or too vague or overbroad when all these things could be challenged, and when you use when we're creating new terms and code that are not currently defined, we run into that potential issue of well, what exactly constitutes a commercial activity?

So I would just ask this board to maybe consider that some more and provide some additional parameters.

I I that's not I mean that's kind of a policy decision.

Certainly I could make it up on the flies I'm drafting, but I don't want to do that.

Um commercial activities could, for example, be something that um you know the the occupants or tenants of the short-term rental uh would be engaging in or undertaken as a as an activity for profit.

Um, that requires a license.

Another business license.

But that n wouldn't necessarily, for example, capture a wedding event because that's not a commercial activity, that's just a large gathering of people for somebody to get married.

So I I would ask the board to give that some more thought because I would be a little bit uncomfortable and I would advise against simply having an undefined term like commercial activity.

I have a suggestion.

How about gatherings will be limited to no more than double the allowed occupancy?

Period.

It doesn't matter whether it's commercial or not.

And just to kind of add to that, I, you know, with the commercial activity thing, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but um you know, but I will just as a lawyer.

Um I mean, I can think of some examples for example.

You know you've got a lot of TikTokers these days, right?

You got a lot of people who uh post videos on YouTube.

I I'm I personally I'm acquainted with people like my kid brother for example he's got friends he's much younger than myself and when he does stay at Airbnb's with his buddies they they take videos of the backyard of the view of the inside they post it on TikTok, they post it on YouTube and um you know my brother doesn't do this but his friends certainly do you know they do it for clicks and they get advertisement revenue um from the number of viewings and that could constitute quote unquote a commercial activity.

So we do want to be wary of you know terminology is there a way do you have a because I think what we want to make sure to have is that they the people who are renting it know that they can't run a business.

They can't rent something for a weekend and run a business out of this place whether that's them maybe they're a traveling art show.

We've that certainly we've had that we've had artists come through town and maybe they're running a traveling art show.

We don't want them to set up you know their artwork in the garage and invite people over and sell their artwork um or or someone wants to make a spicy move in this rented building um you want me to spell out a little better than that I'm not talking about jalapenos.

You could be sorry go ahead.

Um is do you have a suggestion for a phrase that that we could put in there that would that would n not allow that to happen.

Um just spitballing here I'm gonna turn to you know our subject matter expert hope of course I I don't know how much or if any or all of this would be captured by you know any other activity that would also require a business license to be issued.

So here in Carson City, you know, where you're engaging that type of commercial activity you would you would have to get a license.

Let's do that and then we'll do the double the occupants.

Right.

Is that good?

Yeah I was just gonna share with you that I did have um the staff research the other agencies regulations and specifically the concept of event versus party Clarkwasho Henderson Las Vegas all define party in terms of occupancy.

So the other thing we they uh I also had them research daytime maximum occupancy and they looked at Douglas Clark Washa Mesquite, Henderson, Las Vegas and they're using terms like you're talking about and for example in Douglas the nighttime occupancy can be no more than six.

Ours could be two per bedroom daytime occupancy shall be no more than double the nighttime occupancy.

So we've seen that used in other other agencies regulations.

So maybe two clauses double the occupancy and no activities that would require that would otherwise require a business license.

Perfect right that that would not caterer that is supporting the wedding reception.

No.

Correct it wouldn't or or if you happen to be a chef going in there and and you know preparing a meal for the paya yeah papaya.

Papaya however you say jalapenos there you go I just want to be careful that again recognizing that we're potentially having a nuisance that doesn't exist and let's not make it a double nuisance.

Right I agree.

Okay.

Right?

I mean I mean you know I I'm the property rights guy.

But this is a situation where trying to balance everybody's property rights I am really not concerned about putting some heavy pressure on a homeowner that wants to go with a short term rental.

Really not worried about that.

Alright so we got double the occupancy and doesn't otherwise require a business and we said we're moving it to nine pm right on and 9 p.m.

everybody okay because that way I I think it's correct.

It'll be done by 10 completely.

Um one more thing on number seven, if I could please?

Yes.

Um the idea no amplified sound may occur outside of the buildings.

Um that's pretty difficult to do even with the windows closed, but uh how are we're gonna deal with okay, open the slider into the back door and turn the stereo on inside the house full blast.

Is that amplified inside the house or is that amplified outside?

If I can hear the news, you know, some of these houses are only 10 feet apart.

If I can hear the news while I'm hauling my trash and all the windows are shut on the SDR, are they out of compliance?

I know I'm grasping for straws, but I want to be clear.

What is this definition of amplify amplified sound outside of buildings?

Do you think if we're changing it to 9 p.m.

and the 7 a.m.

we meet the need by having the quiet hours?

I'd leave it in there.

Leave the no amplified.

I understand the position that you can turn the stereo up inside the house, but all the way to the support, that'd be a much greater than how do you want to use the orchestral stacking or so much more.

So this will be minimize.

That's it.

So it's outside.

Outside means you have an outside product.

Did you have something on that, Mr.

U?

That's good.

Okay.

And I think some of this we're gonna I I we're gonna have to live with this for a little bit and then sort of figure our way out.

I mean, I think you know, we give it a year or two and come back and say, hey, this isn't working, that isn't working.

We hear from Opener team as to what the violations have been, so we can, you know, try and tighten it up or loosen it up, whatever the case may be.

I agree with that.

Okay.

Um eight.

Respond via telephone within 30 minutes in person with the hour um shall provide reasonable person's contact.

What do you think on this?

Should it be?

Do we think they should be on site within an hour, or we want to stick with our original 30 minutes all the way around?

I I want 30 minutes.

30 minutes.

Okay.

So I we all agree so far as to say they should live in Carson, but just they can be in Dayton and be here in 30 minutes.

So, you put your pants on at two o'clock in the morning.

No, you're right.

You might make it in Jacks Valley, I guess.

It's probably better to leave it at time.

And again, it's a can be well, I'm gonna say I I am gonna say I expect to meet the 30 minutes, they either live within 30 minutes or their property manager does.

Yeah, one or the other.

So 30 minutes is 30 minutes to me.

You're right.

Telephone within 30 minutes, and then in person to the site within an hour.

So you want to bring you wanna that's what it says.

I know that's what we're striking the hour.

Yeah.

We want to take out telephone.

Right?

I think responding.

Within 30 minutes, because we want the activity curved, sure, right?

You want the guy that owns it or the owner's rep to say what's going on here?

You can't have a band in the backyard, shut this band down, and then we're gonna say, okay, they're complying.

It's like, nope, you didn't show up.

The band kept on going.

Here's your first thing.

Can we hit can we play this out a bit?

Um, hope.

Um so um there's an STR next to me.

It's is 9 30, and we'll use sound because that's probably the one that's gonna happen most often.

Um, and they're they got their boom box, the Wi-Fi speaker, and uh, you know, drinking and playing cornhole in the backyard at 9 30.

I I'm the neighbor, I call the compliance hotline or whatever we call it.

I don't know what you call it.

So um uh, you know, I call 887 help and uh and what happens?

The compliance officer would go out, validate the complaint, and then contact the responsible person to respond.

So the compliance officer, do we have a compliance officer who's on call, so to speak?

Well, when this goes into place, I'm going to need to do that, okay.

So the compliance officer, um, what is their mandated response time?

They don't have a mandated response time right now.

But I suspect if we're talking about something happening at nine o'clock at night, there's not gonna be competing calls.

Right.

So, um, so that the compliance officer wouldn't necessarily need to go on site to confirm it.

Could they I mean that's what I'm getting at?

Because if you add if we have a compliance officer that lives in Dayton.

Right.

Now you're looking at maybe 40 minutes before the compliance officers here, and then another 30 once the compliance officer calls the responsible.

Well, if the board's okay with it, what we typically do is we independently validate everything before we we shoot it.

Yeah, basically pursue enforcement.

Um, but if this board's okay with it, what we can do is just initially contact the responding party saying we got this complaint, meet me at the site so that it's happening at the same time.

Right, so it's in parallel and we haven't validated.

Uh the code enforcement officer just tells the complainant caller, hold your phone up to the fence.

That's what I would do.

Yeah, that's what I would do.

Well, how do you know it's not his home?

That's not you.

But we can leave up to Cope and her staff to make sure that it occurs however they choose to do it.

And as far as response time goes, we can do the same thing and we can adjust that with our internal staff if necessary.

If we find that it's an issue, then we'll work on that.

But I don't want to put a requirement on any staff as far as a response time.

No, and I'm not suggesting that I just want to understand it so I can decide right how we answer number eight, so that it, you know, respond within thirty minutes when contacted by representatives of the city.

Realistically, I think if we have problem houses, I'll have code enforcement on duty so that they can, you know, be monetary.

Yeah.

So a little more on number eight.

Mm-hmm.

Um again trying to narrow any ambiguity, responsible person being identified.

Yeah.

Um, I think we should stay with like the property manager or something.

Because how do you decide who the responsible person is?

Well, designated.

It'll have to be designated when they get their license.

And then they have to change it if it changes.

Then if they have to change, I'll have to call it in.

So that all that'll work pretty much the same way as alcohol manager, you have to do it.

Exactly.

Just what they do in Title Four now.

If you have a change, fill out the form, put the change on it, okay.

So develop a form that we look at eight, so that the last sentence doesn't belong.

It's each short-term rental must have a responsible person identified who can respond within 30 minutes after being contacted by representatives of the city.

Because the other one is there's no noticing area.

We just said it was permitted, so we would take that out.

Take that out.

Yeah, so that end of the sentence doesn't matter there.

And then I'm with Curtis, where I just said respond in 30 minutes, they'll work the details out on the types of things and instruct all meet you there, all whatever can be instructed.

I just want it clear that we're not what I mean.

That 30 minutes has to be fairly reasonably short after the complaint calls in.

That's all I'm getting at.

So I agree.

Okay.

I like the idea of blinding snowstorm.

You're probably not going to make it from Jacks Valley.

Correct.

To Silver Oak in 30 minutes.

Right, right.

Unless it's 2 a.m.

At 2 a.m.

in the morning.

Yeah, it might be harder because you gotta wake up.

Okay, anyway, that's the point.

Okay, number nine.

Short term, we'll provide a written code of conduct for review and approval.

Uh that we like the code of conduct's just like both the rules and expectations for interesting guests, the property owner and the responsible party must provide renters with a copy of it as well as post it.

Code of conduct should include the following the occupancy limits, the statement of the quiet hours obviously would change to nine.

Occupancy limits including the, I don't know if you need to say more, including the maximum number.

But that covers it.

That'll all be covered in the wood in there.

Right.

Um the use of wood burning, right?

We wanted that one.

Oh, uh the use of wood is prohibited and gas fire pits may not be used during red flag warnings as issued by the National Weather Service in the noticing or the thing you're working on.

Are you gonna put the actual site or should we even have that?

I don't think that's a thing.

I mean, I mean it's as issued, period.

No, I just don't.

I I mean if you have a gas burning issue with something, the the red flag thing is not a thing.

There's no way we don't no one regulates that.

Right.

I'm telling you, no one regulates that.

We don't we don't regulate it now.

This is saying you can't barbecue if there's it's a red flag day and using your using your propane barbecue and it's not that's what the ordinance says.

It says gas what ordinance?

This ordinance?

When the fire department puts a red flag warning up, that's exactly what it says.

I don't think that's what it says.

Um, then the better answer, just the better answer would be the use of wood burning fire pit is prohibited and they must follow Carson City Fire Department rules or whatever.

So if they do that, they do it.

If they don't, they don't.

I don't know I don't remember I don't remember ever getting a notice that says I can't use my barbecue.

But a notice out.

Sorry, when we used to put a notice out to your point, uh Mo, it was for um the wildland urban interface.

Right.

Um, and it was un unimproved areas of the wild urban interface, open flames are prohibited, period.

And including um, I think it's any open flame.

That's anyway.

I mean, if if you guys don't agree, it's not that it's not a hill to die on for me.

If you want to leave it to the first clause later in the standards, you're gonna have a standard regarding providing information about the city's emergency information, and that might be where you put anything about you know following guidance provided by the emergency manager or something.

I just think realistically uh it's gonna be very hard to enforce that, and we're gonna be sending a code enforcement guy out when someone's using a barbecue on a red flag afternoon in a in a natural gas fire barbecue attached to a house.

I I just don't think we want them to go out for that, even though it's list just listed as fire pit.

I I don't see a barbecue as a well, maybe you're right.

It does say fire pit, you're right.

Still gas, but that's okay.

No, I let's leave it.

It's fine.

Let's leave it.

It doesn't matter.

Okay.

It's okay.

Um the notification of the trash bins, that one's right.

Notification.

The city may schedule inspections so they know they could be knocked on the door and we could come in.

Um, and then what is F?

Any other F would have been if you had a hearing.

So if you're not having the hearing, you can remove F.

So F is gone.

So 10 to annual inspection by the city compliance officers.

Um, I don't want shell, shouldn't it be May?

Maybe I think it's good that they know we may come in if we want to, but we don't have to.

Right.

Everybody else okay with the rest of that, so it's a May.

Like you said, I think it's what you said.

If you got a problem place, that you keep getting compliment.

I don't know.

I mean it's it you know, um the fire extinguisher component, it you need to fix that.

It can't be that way.

So is the fire extinguisher that will not expire before the next inspection.

That doesn't work, just I mean it could expire a month after his inspection, and it's it's just a current tag.

Yeah, yeah.

Carson City emergency contact information.

I don't know what that means is nine one one.

I don't know what else.

Um the idea was the emergency website where John Backadals worked with the city manager's office to have those certain like icons when there's when there's a danger, say a wildfire or flooding or something like that.

So we can we can massage that wording.

You can, but what you're talking about won't work because those are connected.

You have to register for that.

Right.

And these people who are transient are not gonna be registering for that.

I thought they were on our website, and so they could go to the website to see it.

No, but this is for the inspection and what they're doing.

No, no, we've moved the series doing.

How is he gonna inspect somebody using the idea the idea was that the binder that they had for would have information on where to find that information?

That's what he'll inspect.

Is the binder.

Yes.

It's not that big a deal.

It's just it no one's gonna do it.

No.

I mean, because you it it would be well, no, but the emergency contact could be all of it's nine one one.

Is anything not nine one one?

She's what she's saying is we have that notification system that you can sign up for.

The alert.

Alert.

Right.

First alert or whatever.

Whatever we call it now, I forget what it's called.

I know.

And no one is gonna do that, is my point.

It's nine one one.

But if if, you know, no, I mean if John wants to put something in there, it's not that big.

It hasn't hurt.

No, leave it in there.

It could be just that it's 911 or whatever John wants.

Okay.

So we're changing that to a May and she'll fix the firewall.

One comes out.

Yeah, that's just a current tags.

Okay, eleven.

Uh hot tub or something.

Must be submitted for review and approval by a main.

Okay.

I want to talk about this one.

Uh we don't do this anywhere on a anywhere for a hot tub in a residence.

Uh I just don't think it fits.

So I think eleven should be struck.

Everybody.

Well, I I think when we're talking about uh this kind of a rental situation, um, that house could be rented back to back to back to back, and uh I believe swimming pools and hot tubs in a short-term rental should be operated the same way they are in a motel.

I I don't I don't see the difference.

I think the insurance and what uh the homeowner's gonna do will cover this particular component.

I don't wanna have it go to the health department to say maintain your hot tub at blank.

I know I just I don't think it's the right answer.

You know, if I want to dump my friends and little kids of my own making in my filthy nasty hot tub, that's one thing.

But we're talking about a commercial open arrangement where you don't know who jumped in there last time.

I don't want to send her team out to inspect a hot tub or a swimming pool.

So yeah, don't do it to anybody that has their next door neighbors over a birthday party in their swimming pool.

If you open up that lid to a hot tub, it you might not go in.

When I'm at a birthday party, I could look around at the people and say, I want to share a hot dog with these folks.

I don't know who was in there yesterday at a short term rental.

I don't dis I don't disagree with supervisor white, but I just the practicality of getting this done is what it's why I just don't know how we do it.

Yeah.

I mean, uh would it be good to do?

Yeah, but how do you I don't know how you do it?

We don't do it.

What do you how do you do it for hotel?

Because you're inspecting everything.

And it's a lot more people.

And you go once a year, people or 200 people and you go once it's a whole different process.

Good morning, Jeannie Freeman for the record director for health and human services.

In a motel or a hotel setting, they're gonna have commercial levels.

They have to have a variety of different standards that we don't have in a personal residential area that they're not able to put in place.

The idea behind this is submitting a protocol that's reviewed that has regulations on the frequency of which they would change the water, that they're testing it for chemical balance to make sure that we're not having conditions that would create situations where somebody might go away with something, a rash that they get on their skin or something of that sort.

So that's just asking for a protocol here.

That's what it says.

Yeah, so it would be the set the sanitation protocol for a hot tub or swimming pool.

So it would be that cleaning maintenance that we would they would document the maintenance and the cleaning of it to make sure that filters are cleaned, that the chemicals are kept in balance.

It's a simple thing that I do in my own hot tub where you have to put a little lithium's test in it to make sure that the chemicals are imbalanced.

Do we really want a maintenance log?

And who's gonna look at the maintenance log?

Well, that would be, I guess that's gonna be a determination on whether or not there's going to be it said they may have an inspection that's happening on an annual basis that got changed from a shall to a May earlier through your discussion.

But say a maintenance log must be maintained on the property, you would say.

Yes.

So it could be something that's included.

If we decide to do an inspection, you would look at the maintenance log.

Correct.

Well, I could live with that.

I think that satisfies what you're talking about.

Literally, I have applied hot tub invites in the past.

So again, you're not going to be able to do that.

It is.

So I come in to get a license, I have to do my little protocol to you that says, Oh, put a thing.

So who's doing it?

The tenant or the owner?

I guess that's even more of my concern.

Well, that's what the protocol would say.

The protocol would spell out.

So I'm I'm just asking the question.

Jeannie's gonna get this thing that says the tenant's gonna dip the little stick in it and it's gonna look at the color code on it and say put some more chemical in.

No, it would not be Jeannie Freeman for the record.

It would not be the tenant, it would be the owner or the property manager.

So the same kind of idea is that you have another item that's coming up about them having what their cleaning and disinfecting protocol is within the residential area, like the making sure that the sheets are washed and the towels and the linens that are provided are cleaned.

Same kind of idea that before somebody comes in for that next rental, they have to clean the property, they have to do that kind of stuff with the linens.

It'd be the same kind of identification that they would document that they have done a test strip on the water associated with that um pool or hot tub so that make sure that they have that in place.

I like that better all combined is that what is your protocol for cleaning all of the house?

I mean all the product, as what are you gonna do between each rental?

I think that's the appropriate answer that we're all after is you have to have cleaning protocols, which would include hot tub swimming pool.

That'd be fine with one component.

You have a clean cleaning protocol and part of that has to be a hot tub.

You just have to say that it has to be the hot right.

I like the one cleaning protocol will be given and then how long is she?

Right, Jeannie's gonna approve it, but you're not gonna be hanging on to them for well.

No, they're not the maintenance log will stay in the building.

And if the code enforcement guy goes in and looks at it, the maintenance log is jacked.

So they didn't change the sheets, they have to be a notice of violation.

The towels, they haven't fixed the hot tub, whatever.

Perfect.

Okay, so a maintenance log.

Make that work.

I will make it work.

There you go.

You're not excited about that.

No, I think I'm fine with that.

I think I just, um, that in-between cleaning process is not going to be.

I think within those standards, I would like to be able to put that water in the hot tub has to be changed on a quarterly basis or something like that sort.

No, I have a better idea.

I don't understand why Jeannie's team could make the protocol, and again, they're signing to adhere to the best practices that you think they need to do.

So is it sheets have to be changed between eat, whatever?

Couldn't she already design the protocol?

Absolutely, and the health of it should design that protocol.

And give it to them.

I like that better.

Then you're getting what you feel is appropriate.

And then they have the log that supports the cleaning protocol.

There you go.

Then you have a standard, then you have a standard log that you're looking at, so you know what you're looking at.

Yeah, and and that is what Miss Sullivan and I have been discussing.

You get a warm fuzzy from that more so than what we suggested otherwise.

I have lots of warm and fuzzies this morning.

So that's a better way.

As long as we don't have an illicit will be like thank you for the feedback.

Okay.

On the forms prescribed by the health department.

I like that a lot.

Dan will uh legal ease that one, but something when we get to Dan, that would go to fourteen when we get to fourteen.

Put those together or whatever.

So eleven and fourteen are together.

Cool.

Occupancy limit, we talked about that, right?

We're good with two per bedroom and no, we're gonna add in there no.

Sleeping in common area.

Sleeping in common areas, right?

Okay.

Uh fire pit gas operated.

We talked about that.

Yeah, isn't that a repeat?

The other one was on the code of conduct.

It said the code of conduct would include, and it was one of the things included in the code of conduct.

This is simply saying it's just not the script on the code of conduct is saying you can't the fire pit has to be gas operated.

But the code of conduct is a rule.

The presence of a code of conduct and the content of the code of conduct.

This is and the content of the code of conduct to a certain extent.

Oh, replicates.

And legal ease it whether it needs to have repeats or not repeats or whatever.

Got it.

Uh the sanitation we just took care of.

Uh it's not an administrative, it's P permitted.

So that one's but it's non-transferable.

We need to keep that in there.

Whether it's administrative, this license is not transferable.

Whatever you guys end up putting it, it's non-transferable.

Business license is not transferable.

A bit a business license already is not transferable, so you can eliminate it.

Okay, good.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's out.

Okay.

I don't why would we do sixteen?

Must have insurance with the city, no.

Why would we do that?

No.

We don't do that with any other we don't do additional insured on any businesses in town.

Only if they're doing business with us, or on our property.

On our property.

Um, and I'm not in favor of 17.

No, I don't want to be checking people's IDs and if they're whatever.

Any everybody okay with getting rid of 17?

Yeah, I'm not good with 17 at all.

Eliminate?

Okay.

Was there something else?

Uh oh.

Well, is there a minimum age though?

Would it be 21?

No, we're not gonna decide that.

Whoever can legally sign, that's up to the business owner.

I don't I would not risk doing it to somebody they can't legally sign a contract, but crazy.

They'll have their own insurance problems.

Is there something else we missed?

And just to bring this up, I I um seem to recall from the board work session retreat meeting some time ago that there was uh some discussion on the record in relation to how would information be passed along from the sheriff's office uh to Hope's team in the event of a citation being issued for purposes of maintaining good standing for the uh the license holder.

So I I didn't see this on this list.

So I just wanted to ensure that that wasn't something that dropped off because I don't want to just try to fill in the blanks when I'm drafting the code.

No, that did come up during the workshop, and the sheriff's office will communicate with my team the way they typically communicate.

It's not something that they had suggested nor that I suggest be codified.

If you think it should be codified, we can certainly look at that, but that's been a practice, you can think about it.

Whatever I think the board would feel comfortable with.

I I was kind of just noodling around with this um the other night.

And um I thought, okay, well, one of the things could be we just don't codify it at all, and whatever the standard existing practices, that's what would go forward.

Um alternatively, um, I could just tuck in a simple provision that says um, you know, the sheriff's office will coordinate um, you know, with with Hope's team, and they will develop as necessary, whatever the most appropriate mechanism would be to communicate that information just so we have that established in code that that is a recurring communication that is required by CCMC to happen.

Um but I again I I just leave that should be a big deal, but it's fine to put a line.

I just I just want to leave that at the to the board's discretion.

Requirement does what?

Just ensures that they don't renew a license.

Yeah.

On renewals, right?

They call the sheriff's office and say getting ready to renew my address and how many complaints did we have, or how many what do we have anything?

You'd be doing the fines anyway.

That brings up a broader comment.

Should we put something in here that just that just says, you know, complaints will be reviewed at time of renewal?

Or or I mean you know what I'm getting at?

I mean, broadly, should we should we uh you know uh sure is the continuity of that information being transferred between the two departments it it sort of establishes the requirement there for it rather than the casual protocol I have perhaps a suggestion again I don't want to color outside of my line too much but just a suggestion you could make it a self-reporting requirement where you know the holder of the business license whenever they do receive a citation from the sheriff's office they are required to report that to Hope's team and failure to do so would also be grounds for another violation of their business license we could also do something that mirrors what we have for liquor so for liquor what we have is if they obtain if they get a citation they get a citation from the sheriff's office the sheriff's office lets us know and in addition to the citation they already got from the sheriff's office we issue uh a a penalty a fee basically a fine and it it goes up and on the third time we can revoke their liquor license so I feel like if it kind of mirrored that it we already have that structure in place.

How does the sheriff's department know they're responding to a short term rental because we'll have the code of conduct up there already and we can also put it on dispatch because we'll have the responsible party information at dispatch because with every single business license that we issue that's bricks and mortar we provide to dispatch the contact name for somebody if there's an issue.

The other comment I have is I feel like this is a good conversation but it's kind of a conversation that's internal to the city's operation as opposed to a standard so it might be part of the enforcement.

Well it's a good conversation because the community knows what series about shutting these people down if they're knuckleheads.

Okay.

Uh Lisa did you have something else I do I just have a question back to a minimum age and I understand the hesitancy but I also worry a little bit in terms of you know for for the surrounding neighborhood and uh and I you know going back and listening to planning commission meetings on this the concern about um a gathering like a graduation gathering and how are you know how how the neighborhood potentially could be impacted and I know that the age requirement of 25 and I don't know how you would oversee that per se but how how do we address those concerns because I think they're fair going to um well not the age concern but the rest of it is going to be addressed with all the other issues are going to do what you're talking about occupancy the top the quiet times.

Right.

I think that gets to all of those things.

I don't know how you I don't know how we possibly can do the age thing.

I don't know how we do that.

That means every single application that every STR gets would have to submit to someone the age the minimum age of a person renting.

I have always advised this board as well as the planning commission against any regulations based on tenancy right I think it's a little big brother to see who's using the space and um I agree with what was just said by Supervisor Geomi and the mayor all the other regulations should ensure good good neighbor relations and my staff's just not I don't want them approaching people and asking for a driver's license.

Well I appreciate that and I just thank you for putting that on the record because I think it is important that we acknowledge the concerns and and the discussions that have taken place.

So thank you.

So I think is there anything that we missed that anybody wanted to add as a condition?

Is there's two other things I wanted to do are you are we gonna talk about fines or or we're going to the next section unless you all.

So before before that, I I don't know if this is a a condition or just I so Dan hope asking your professional advice here.

It is it is it difficult, is it possible?

Is it worth it to consider something in here that sort of um is a deterrent to people who currently have short-term rentals and have been using them potentially based on the municipal court decision illegally, um to within a reasonable amount of time go through the licensing process or face a delay in obtaining a license?

So does that make sense what I'm asking?

So I'm not sure.

That came that came up at your workshop and at your workshop what the consensus was of the board was to have a 60-day grace period.

That would not be codified, that would just be board direction.

Okay.

So after 60 days, what happens?

Um if they have not obtained their their business license and lawfully established, then we would pursue code enforcement.

So what I'm I guess advocating is I'm I'm good with that.

Um, but what I'm advocating is do we put something in here, a clause that maybe terminates or drops off, where if they don't apply within 60 days, then yes, all enforcement is open, but additionally, they're not going to be able to come in and get a license for six months or nine months or a year.

For non-compliance.

Right.

If I'm hearing this correctly, I've I think you could probably maybe even apply that more universally if I'm understanding it right, is that if you're just not operating in accordance with this new regulatory framework and all the licensing requirements, whether you're doing it now or post-adoption of the ordinance, then you would be barred from getting a license for a period of X number of months or a year, you know, six months, nine months, twelve months, whatever the case may be.

So I don't even think we would have to specify that ramp on period.

It's just if you're not in compliance and you're operating illegally upon the effective date of this ordinance, then you're out, you're barred for X number of days.

And on top of that, group of 60 days.

Sure, right, after the grace.

So you have to give everybody the purpose of it.

On top of that, you would still have the ability to enforce the current standard on them, right?

They wouldn't.

So it's kind of a a double whammy, right?

Uh, it means not really, but but I I think we should have a provision like that.

I think it, um, I mean, I know we know that there's one operating right now, and nothing's happening to that person, and they're gonna get licensed and they're operating illegally now, even though they've been told by the court they can't do it, and they're still doing it, and we collectively are letting them.

So because of that, you know, we've got a bit of distrust in the community that we're going to follow through on what we are adopting here.

And uh, you know, I I don't like that.

Uh it's not under my purview to do anything about, but I don't like that.

Um, I don't like the fact that someone has gone through an enforcement action and is now essentially rubbing the community's face in something, and and we are allowing it to happen.

I don't like that.

Um I don't know that there's anything I can do about it, but I think maybe we can take this step to put something in there from a teeth perspective that um you know you come into compliance or you're gonna be barred from doing this.

Um I just have a general question too, is once we move for adoption because he'll have to bring back the first reading, then we have to have a second rating.

Is there enough time for you to get all these forms and things done in time that once you know that we'll actually can implement with the effective date and then start that 60 day clock?

I just want to make sure, and maybe we do that in the final ordinance adoption, you'll be able to tell us yes, we're ready to go, or you better make it, you know, 70 days.

Maybe they can work together and you'll be able to do it.

I'm just I'll be good to go with the 60 day genie.

So it's all on Genie, is that what you're saying?

She's like, oh great.

No, we'll mushy.

We'll be good to go.

Just one thought in terms of the the barring, I guess.

Typically, when we do code enforcement, if we identify a use that's not lawfully established, but they have the ability to lawfully establish, we provide them with procedural due process so they can then seek to lawfully establish.

So this would be something different than what we typically would do.

So I'm just putting that out there for your consideration.

I'm all for what Stacy said.

If they're operating again, going back to we're potentially introducing a nuisance that not exist now.

Pound them if they're outside of it.

And that what you're describing is also consistent with what you've done with liquor license violations, where you have you have stopped the sale of liquor for a period of time based on a violation.

So I think if we equate it to that, that's that's sort of more apples to apples as opposed to the other.

We're essentially treating this as a privileged license license.

It's all similar to the other privileged licenses that we issue for for liquor, as you mentioned, and for gaming and and for marijuana established.

How much time is the penalty for how much I would say at least six months, at least six months.

I I nothing less in my mind, at least.

Um you guys are hardcore.

Yeah, you we all started, you'll remember a year or two ago saying no to these.

Big fat no as a group, except for one.

But, you know, so we're we're we've come a long way since then.

Okay.

And I'd like to think we've done a better job than we would have if we've just said no.

I'm willing to admit that.

Okay.

You know, but um yeah, I would not go any less than that.

I don't know.

Maybe it's maybe I could live with six months, but maybe we then need to do 90 days to come into compliance in the beginning, and six months you're whacked.

There's not if you don't do it.

You have to know about it.

I know.

Well, there's there's a difference, not everyone lives here.

Right.

There's a difference between uh you didn't get your hot tub clean sufficiently to straight out actively running a black market short-term rental.

There's a substantial difference in my opinion.

Okay, I can live with it.

I just say wow, but I mean you have to find the uh you know, I think hope you've you've had fairly good luck, I think, researching right and trying to find the businesses.

We've got the input from the assessor's office.

Yes, she's got 38 of them or something.

She said, um, you know, I I I wouldn't be opposed if if you wanted to in advance of the ordinance, say, hey, heads up.

Coming up.

You know, you might want to start paying attention.

There's going to be an ordinance put out.

That's a good thing.

Um, you know, and you feel better.

If you did that now, uh, you would tell people that there's going to be significant changes, which could include um the lack of ability for you to get licensed.

Uh I encourage you to contact us for more information.

And I don't know, can you also notice it on the VRBO and the other vacation rental getting the notices out there to them?

Um sure.

Um, Airbnb is already notifying their folks.

Um, that makes me think about it.

We can look into VRBO because that's how they're advertising.

So, maybe you don't have to do that.

You know, pre-notice.

I just I you know sixty days seems like enough to me.

Well, it's gonna depend on the next answer.

Okay, well, since we made it maybe I feel even better since we made it permitted instead of administrative, we're not eating up their time to get the permit, so I could live with that.

Okay, right, because we we fixed some other things.

All right, so now we're down to the placement.

Um, I think it's a privileged license.

I think that's a title four activity, all the fines, the features, the revocations.

I like it all being in title four because none of it deals with Title Eighteen conditions, uh, and I guess there's mixed bags.

We do have mixed bag.

I don't want to say we don't have a mixed bag because we do, but I like this being in Title IV or letting the drafter determine where the better placement is.

Let's let's let the subject matter expert and the legal expert.

They don't agree.

Well, they'll they'll have to go in a room and you know.

Actually, if we're doing the I I'm not comfortable with it in 18 if we're borrowing it for a period of time.

Yeah, in my opinion, it has to be a privilege license because as opposed to land use.

There you go.

So I have to treat it like liquor then.

Okay.

So just like liquor.

I think that's even where we're going, right?

It's a privilege.

But you're still gonna have to do some work in Title 18, right?

No, it will still be in the land use table and it will be added there.

But in terms of um the st yeah, okay, we're good.

We're good.

Uh now we're to making sure right at the bottom the fines.

Not enough.

Okay, what do we want to do here?

I'd up it to seven fifty and twelve fifty.

Uh we can't do more than a thousand, right?

What can we do in Mr.

B?

What can we do?

A thousand?

Thousand.

We can't exit.

We could do the first one seven.

Are these criminal?

And we're capped at a thousand?

I have a question real quick based on your if somebody doesn't get their license and so on.

Can we include wording that each day is a separate violation?

Well, each day it's actually rented.

Right.

Just say somebody, not that it's available.

Somebody doesn't come in for the permit, you want to bar them for a period of time, but they don't cease operations.

Is that a first violation, or is each day that that violation occurs a separate and distinct violation?

So wait, they're already licensed or they're not.

I'm using the example where they're not licensed.

Well, they're not because this was a crap.

No, that's one of them too.

We want to fine them for not being licensed, not just borrow them.

I might be thinking of the scenario where somebody doesn't get the license.

Right.

And you want to borrow them, but they ignore us on stopping.

And is it will we uh will we apply that?

Would you like to apply this, I guess.

And would you like each day to be a separate and distinct violation?

That's your teeth, right?

You want to find them.

If I may, Madam.

Mr.

U, what's some legal?

All right, so just you know, a couple of them 20,000?

Right.

Well, you know, I mean, a couple of things for this board's consideration.

Um I think there was an earlier question from Supervisor Giovanni with respect to the amount of fines.

So I want to be clear.

I mean, there is that misdemeanor provision is captured right now as the the ceiling.

It's a thousand dollars for the misdemeanor, but that's separate and distinct from any administrative fine or penalty that this board would otherwise want to impose in addition to that.

So those are two separate columns.

Um, but but the other thing I would want to mention is, and and I'm not saying that I have a legal opposition to this concept of, you know, a a per violation per day accrual of fines and penalties.

I just want to make sure that we don't become excessive in the imposition of that because and that's just in light and consideration of that um district court case that came out of Clark County not too long ago, where essentially that judge had said, you know, when you have an imposition of a regulatory framework where it results in excessive fines to such a degree, which it basically equates to a bar um to entry into this market, then that would be you know some type of a violation of a person's you know property rights.

And so we don't want to be overly excessive um and and get ahead of ourselves.

That's something I just wanted to know for the board's consideration.

So perhaps we take a look at what surrounding um communities are doing, and set it up so that we cut deep but don't sever the artery.

Well, I I'm still kind of what do we do to the liquor dudes?

Kind of struggle between two things here.

I feel like we're talking about two different things.

So the first thing I'm talking about is a licensed party who these are are these administrative penalties or are these criminal penalties?

Dan.

These are administrative.

So if they're administrative, we're not capped at a thousand.

I'm just looking at what's referenced at the bottom of the staff report.

That's all I'm looking at.

Because there is, I mean, there's a reference to a violation of floor four, is a misdemeanor, it's punishable by imprisonment in the city jail for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars, or by both fine and imprisonment.

So that's what I was referencing earlier.

4040.10.

Uh-huh.

Okay, well, I I think I don't know that what I mean, we're gonna spend 45 minutes trying to discuss this and you giving us a legal education.

I I think I I would like to have a way where we can you add a civil penalty under Title Four?

And and what I would ask from this board is is if you trust me and Hope to work together.

Uh it's easy for us to just fill in that minor gap, and when we bring it back to the board, and you can put the the exact numbers in that gives that's fine.

The board more time and it gives, you know, perhaps hope and myself some time to figure out what might constitute appropriate teeth, you know, for for an opening mechanism.

I'll at least for me to try and understand what hope brought up.

How how do we I'm I'm struggling in my head how to make this applicable to someone who's not yet licensed, um I that's what I'm struggling with.

So I I feel like it really complicates things if we do that.

If we're already going to say if they don't get licensed in 60 days, um, or or at any point in the future, if someone opens a business that does this and we catch them, they are barred for six months.

I agree.

To me, I would stop there and not do this.

We're just barring them because it's getting complicated in my head how we we enforce something that they're not even a part of yet.

You would have to create like a whole nother.

Six months.

So you bar them for six months.

The hope's question is if during that period, right, they continue to operate.

I think you have to forget this, forget that, and set some other kind of penalty separate from this.

Because it but maybe you can but you understand what I'm saying, Dan.

It's it's kind of hard to mesh these two in my mind.

Actually, what you're describing is already an issue in the code, right?

If we have a business that has a business license, I have a pathway for enforcement.

If I have a business that does not have a business license, I rely on Title 18, which may or may not apply.

If they're lawfully there per title eighteen and they don't have a business license, I don't have a pathway in Title IV.

So maybe there's a bigger issue, actually.

So maybe there's a way that Dan can write this now and you know fix it later for everybody else, or you know, I think I follow what you're saying, Supervisor Jomi.

It's it's you know, on the one hand, you've got a a properly licensed um, you know, uh uh business owner, you know, who's got a short-term rental, and they're in violation of our provision that says you can't be operating a wood burning fire pick your backyard.

So again, that's a penalty, and for each recurring, you know, ongoing occurrence, you can get additional fines.

So that makes sense.

But what if you're doing this and you're running out to people, but you're not licensed, period.

Um, and and I think maybe there that's where the criminal uh pathway has got more tea.

And certainly we have done that before in the past.

And now you're the DA is not here to maybe make weigh in on that, but that's a discussion that I'll have with the district attorney as well.

Right.

No, I I that makes a lot of sense because then it's a different path.

And you can still put the barring in this part, but direct the other part to the to a criminal citation that you know has to go through whatever.

I'll I'll sit down in a room with Hope and we'll stare at each other and we'll figure something out.

Well, we're looking at kind of I don't know, uh unlicensed operation goes down one path, or unlicensed business goes down one path.

Operational violations go down a different path, but eventually to be in banned as well because they won't comply.

Correct.

Right?

Yeah, the revocation.

So do those do those two paths come together or do they stay separate?

I think they said on revocation.

Once you get to revocation, no, you start at revocation on the other one.

You start at revocation.

No, but I'm saying they will come together if I revoke from operational issues and I revoke, you'll become an unlicensed.

I see what you're saying.

Then he goes down the criminal.

It does make some sense there.

Because those patterns are right.

I like that.

Yes, that's where they merge.

Okay, this law stuff is fun, Dan.

Okay.

All right.

Hope were you trying to say something?

No.

Yes.

Oh, I don't remember.

Okay.

All right.

Is there we've given you all the direction?

We've given you more direction than you can live with.

Okay.

We've got that one.

Resolved.

Okay.

Thank you, Hope and Dan.

Seriously, thank you.

Yep, it's a lot of work to everybody for your massive contribution.

Okay.

So we are going to um recess as the Board of Supervisors.

And I'm going to call the redevelopment authority to order.

Mr.

Hohen, may I have a roll call, please?

Vice Chair Giomi here.

Member White, Member Horton, Member Shitty.

You have your quorum.

I'm out to item 23 public comment for the redevelopment authority.

Do I have any public comment for redevelopment?

Certainly.

Denny French Carson City.

This was a question I was asking before because I thought it was in the other process.

This is what's this word?

I'm sorry.

Thank you.

Reconciliation of changes from the tentative to the final FY27 budget.

So when they get to this point, I will hear this part of this is redevelopment admin, total expenditures, etc.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, do I have any other public comment for the redevelopment authority?

Okay, seeing none, I'll move on to agenda item 24A.

This is our April 16th, 2026 minutes.

Anyone have any corrections or changes?

Seeing none.

Uh Mr.

Giomi, move to approve the redevelopment authority meeting minutes from the 16th of April 2026 is presented.

Second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

We're now on to agenda item 25A.

This is our redevelopment authority budget for approval.

Uh Miss Venaboo.

Yes, um, thank you.

So there is one little change in here that unfortunately affects all three funds.

Um, it's in the operating.

It's in the redevelopment administration, it's operating.

It's uh the janitorial staff in the supplemental.

They added a full-time employee and it's split amongst a bunch of different departments, and so the effect on this department is a slight decrease in operations, uh, because of not having a part-time staff fully dedicated.

Um, so it'll be a full-time staff split amongst um other departments.

And the reason it affects different funds is because any savings in the operation um then reduces the transfer we need from the tax increment.

And then so since that's reduced, then we can then add that funding to the revolving and use it for the redevelopment programs, so it ends up affecting all three funds.

Thank you.

Now just for the uh purpose, when it talks about reconciliation, you have to utilize the actions from our prior meeting, right?

On things we voted on that were labeled as supplementals or capitals if you're talking any of them that were in our prior agenda, and then they drop into this column to show the impact of the decisions we made at the last meeting.

Right.

I'm just trying to explain because I think he had a question of I don't even understand the document.

Right.

So the term reconciliation is really reconciling the tentative budget, which was approved on 416, um, with with what is approved being approved today the final budget.

And that's that's the changes that we approved on the 16th with the supplementals and the capital or changes that you discovered through uh right, or any final last minute changes I discovered, which there were none on this fund.

It was simply that one supplemental that was approved.

Right.

Okay.

Is there any?

I don't see any questions.

Is there any further public comment?

Okay.

Um, then I will accept a motion, please.

I move to approve the Carson City Redevelopment Authority final budget as corrected uh for fiscal year twenty twenty seven I have a motion and a second for approval all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed say no no let the record refor free four yeah let it re forward let it read for one no reflect four eyes and one no by supervisor white thank you okay we're now gonna move on to agenda item twenty six A this is discussion and possible action regarding the recommendation to I know this funding is gonna go back and forth to the board for the expenditure of six million nine thirty eight eight oh three for fiscal year twenty seven to support our events and incentives uh Miss Sullivan um before we can expend the money that's in the revol redevelopment revolving fund the Board of Supervisors has to pass a resolution authorizing that expenditure um I'm asking the redevelopment authority to make a recommendation to the Board of Supervisors to pass the resolution the resolution reflects the budget that you just passed for the redevelopment agency.

Thank you.

Any I don't see any questions is there any public comment on this item thank you so much I'll accept a motion.

I move to recommend to the board of supervisors approval of the expenditures as presented.

I second I have a motion and a second for approval all those in favor please say aye.

Aye any opposed say no let the record reflect it was four eyes and one no by supervisor white we're now on to our final public comment for the redevelopment authority.

Okay seeing none if there's no objection nothing else I missed um then we are adjourned as the redevelopment authority and we are reconvening as the board of supervisors we are on um the sister or the brother or something of the one we just did.

Um yeah I don't know which is it her the other one um for agenda item 30A which is the same thing authorizing the expenditure of six million nine hundred and thirty eight thousand eight hundred and three dollars Miss Sullivan I don't know again this um resolution is necessary to be able to have to spend the redevelopment um revolving fund money this resolution reflects the budget you just passed and if you approve the resolution then the money will be allocated accordingly thank you see any questions um I'll accept a motion I move to adopt resolution number 2026-R-10 second I have a motion and a second for approval all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed say no no uh let the record reflect it was four yeses and one no by supervisor white and that pursuit to NRS two seventy nine six twenty eight the two thirds requirement has been met so the item is approved okay we're now on to agenda item number thirty one these are our non-action items let me clear everything sorry um does anybody have anything to share or announce or we're in great shape we've I'll just I'll just um uh I attended um I think the mayor I know the mayor was there uh the uh movie that was filmed entirely in Carson City yes um Casa Grande um not entirely in Carson City Carson City and Carson Valley um in Carson it was filmed at uh Bank Saloon the uh prison and of all places the uh treatment plant um the armory where they uh and the armor oh and the armory that's right for the where they simulated the uh the treatment plant was the uh uh or the army was the lighting the solar panel solar panels so um anyway it was uh uh, you know um m maybe the movie was questionable, um, which I think mostly had to do with the editing of it to be able to get it to a length of time that, you know, the kind of the story made some jumps, but um, you know, there it it was uh really, in my opinion, showcased the area beautifully.

And uh it was pretty cool to see.

Uh and you know, more and more movies, and a couple more, I think, right?

Supervisor white filmed out at the prison.

Yeah, um, and um that movie was filmed entirely, entirely in this region, basically in Carson and Douglas counties.

Um, all the st all of the people working on it stayed at hotels here.

Um, all of them ate at restaurants here.

Uh several of the restaurants did catering.

It was um it's you know, one of those things that is drawing attention uh in the region, um, is to um, you know, how you could um utilize what's uh what's available.

And it was really fascinating to see how through filming, um, you know, you can make one thing look like something else, right?

Um it was amazing.

It's fascinating, yeah.

So anyway, I think it's playing in Douglas County still at one of the theaters down there.

May not be still playing if it was, but I think it'll be on TV or streaming here before too long.

So if you can get a chance to see it, it's worth it's worth watching.

And then a big shout out to our park rangers for a great job this weekend on Kids Park.

That was a lot of fun.

Uh they really take their job very seriously um to have fun with the kids, and they did a great job.

So just a good shout out to our park rangers.

Okay, and a shout out to the folks up on uh Seahill.

That's coming really good.

That was quite the trek up and just the uh, you know, the the drilling and uh, you know, having to crawl on the panel and get the weight over the drill, and uh, you know, a lot of work, a lot of volunteer hours, and and uh kudos to everybody who came out.

It's really super.

It's really coming along.

Okay, I don't see anything else.

I'll go to final public comment.

So any final public comment.

Mr.

French.

Thank you, Denny French, Carson City, Nevada.

Um, first off, I'd like to bring up an article by Joanne Skelly.

And she's suggesting that insect asides, especially synthetic, are non-discriminative.

They're gonna kill the pollinators and the boogeymans and whichever you're calling your assault team that you're spraying for, they're gonna kill other things as well.

So please keep an eye on being careful about your sprays.

The next thing is the advisor about safety and and snakes.

Um apparently there's been some snake bites in other areas, and I'm sure we're gonna find some here.

The the thing I I'm bringing this particular article from Nevada, Nevada appeal to show the extent that they went to to show the difference between a rattlesnake and a garden snake.

Um, and I'm going, if you see a snake, stay away from it.

So this was not necessary in my book.

Just say watch out for snakes, stay away from one could be one and one could be the other.

But also to suggest that my suggestion, especially with the heat predictions for this coming year, is that we still haven't really addressed the posting of uh facilities that use artificial turf.

I'm sorry that I wasn't a better explainer or couldn't talk you into looking into it more in the first place.

It's in the community.

We need to be responsible about notifying people proper use and safety involved, and to make sure that our public parks have maintenance people that are trained specifically to do this the required work on it.

There's a lot of things that need to be done in certain orders.

You spray something, you spray something else.

In any case, whether it's you're gonna use something in your household cleaners, you mix them, you're gonna have a problem.

If you don't do it in a certain time, you're gonna have a problem.

So if we're not gonna follow the guidelines put out by the manufacturer, shame on us, because we're looking at not only health issues but litigations about those and safety issues if we don't keep track of the heat and such.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay, I don't I don't see any other public to have any more public comments.

So if there is no objection, then we are adjourned.

Thank you.

And have a good weekend.