And gentlemen, it's four o'clock.

This is the uh call the meeting to order of the growth management commission of Carson City.

Uh call the role, please.

Chair borders present.

Vice Chair Cron.

Here.

Commissioner Brooks.

Here.

Commissioner De Christopher.

Commissioner Peterson.

Commissioner Preston.

Commissioner Paisell.

Here.

A quorum is present.

Thank you.

Commissioner Crohn, will you lead us to the pledge, please?

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

The public is invited at this time to comment on any topic that relates to a matter over which this public body, and this is the public body called the Growth Management Commission, has supervision, control, jurisdiction, and advisory power, including any such matters that are not specifically included on the agenda as an action item.

No action will be taken on any matters raised or for this period for public comment.

Is there any public comment on the growth management?

Hearing none, uh possible action is approval of the minutes of May 28th, 2025.

Which are in your packet.

Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes?

If not, could I have a motion to approve?

Commissioner Brooks, thank you.

Is there a second?

All second.

Second by Commissioner Pazell.

Any further discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye, opposed, no.

Abstain.

Abstain from me.

One abstention.

All right.

GM 2026-0068.

Uh discussion and possible action regarding a recommendation of the Board of Supervisors for a resolution establishing the maximum number of residential building permit allocations under Chapter 18.12, the growth management ordinance of the City Municipal Code for the years 2027 and 2028 estimation of the maximum number of residential building permits for the years 2029 and 2030.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

As this commission knows, the planning commission serves as the growth management commission.

So the growth management commission annually reviews information from various city departments, including public works, fire, sheriff, and parks, and from the school district and makes a recommendation to the Board of Supervisors on three items.

One, you establish a fixed number of residential building permit allocations to be made available in 2027, 2028, and you estimate the number to be made available in 2029 and 2031 units or more.

And you also, thirdly, and lastly, you establish the maximum average daily water usage for commercial and industrial building permits as a threshold for growth the growth management commission review, and we'll talk more about that in a little bit.

What the Board of Supervisors has found is that we have to annually consider for managed growth in Carson City the following items water quantity, quality, supply capacity, and infrastructure, store treatment and disposal capacity and the ability of the system or infrastructure to transport sewage from a source to the treatment system, the sheriff's protective services, the fire protective services, transportation and circulation, drainage and flooding, school enrollment and capacity and parks and recreation.

You have memos addressing each of these essential resources to help you understand the capacity and the impacts.

No one, in terms of department heads or the superintendent of schools, has suggested reducing the development rate to less than 3% growth.

So per municipal code 1812040, each calendar year, the residential allocations are put into two categories the general property owner and the development project.

And again, the development project is if you're yielding 31 or more units.

Traditionally, the city has utilized a division, if you will, of 43% of the allocations in the first quarter going to the general property owner, and 57% of the allocations going to the development category.

After the first quarter, all of the allocations are put into a single bucket, and it's a first come, first served basis for the allocations.

Traditionally, the number of building permit allocations available each year is based on a maximum growth rate of 3%.

This graph shows 20 years worth of allocations versus housing starts.

What you'll see is in the last 20 years, our allocations were, or yes, our allocations or our housing starts were significantly less than the number of allocations.

In 2025, there were 779 allocations available and 595 housing starts.

And that was probably one of our biggest housing start years.

2028, again, I tell you this every year is a little bit inflated because we had Carson Hills front load all their permits.

Yes, sorry.

What did I say 2028?

Yeah.

2018, thank you.

Most of the allocations were in the general category, although in 2025, Altair apartments obtained their allocations in January, so that's why you see that that blue line going up to over 200 units.

That's Altair apartments.

We have a diversity of housing, and this slide is showing you the residential permits issued by type over 20 years.

And what you can see is there's certain years when we just get an apartment complex.

So in 2018, it was Carson Hills apartments.

In 2023, I think it was probably a combination of Sierra Flats over on Bud Eye Way and the Apartments, Marlette apartments over on Little Lane, and in 2025, it was the Altair apartments over on William and Stewart.

But single family residential detach has stayed steady and attached is it's falling off a little bit.

I felt like we are getting a lot of that, it was pretty steady for a while, and we're seeing slight decrease in townhomes, although one project, and we get a big increase.

So let's see, I gotta figure out where I am.

Okay, so the master plan.

What you'll remember with the master plan in the doing the update is there was a concerted effort to make sure there was a linkage between the master plan and growth management.

Chapter three of the master plan is called Well-Managed Growth, with goal 3.1 saying we want to promote the efficient use of land, water, and infrastructure.

And chapter 12 of the master plan is the action matrix, which includes action 3.12, which is to continue to monitor growth trends and review the city's growth capacity and residential allocations on an annual basis in accordance with the city's 1988 growth management ordinance.

So tonight is that's what you're doing.

You're looking at the city's growth capacity and making a decision based on that capacity on residential allocations.

I'll remind you, and you've seen this graph a number of times, it does exclude state and federal lands, but shows how in the master plan the land uses are allocated with most of the land uses associated with conservation reserve, low density residential or open space.

So as part of growth management, we definitely are limiting the development.

Per state demographer, our population as of July 1, 2025 was 61,888 people.

Curiously, the state demographers' population growth estimates show us at less than 1% growth for the next five years.

It's consistently 0.7% growth in 2026 through 2030.

And I've had the question come up, you know, how is it that we have all these houses coming in?

Yet population's not booming.

And the answer is really our household size is shrinking.

In 2010, we had 2.53 people per the census in 2020 that dropped to 2.34.

And I'll be curious what we're looking at in 2030, particularly with the apartment complexes that have been built.

Sales information.

Sales information isn't directly related to growth management, but we traditionally provide this information at this meeting each year.

So the average sale price of a single family detached home in 2025 was 550,000.

That was up from 540,000 in 2024, but lower than 564,000 in 2023.

The median sale price for condos and townhouses remained the same at 330,000.

In 2025, there were 672 single-family home sales.

That's up from 662 in 2024.

There were also 108 condominium and townhouse sales and 40 manufactured home sales.

Based on the input you've received in it's in the packet, the staff's recommendation is that we stay with the 3% growth, which would mean in 2027 811 allocations, 2028, 835 allocations, 2029, 860 allocations, and 2030, 886 allocations.

I also recommend we stay with the 43%, 57% split.

I think two years ago we we went to that number.

And you didn't have any requests for growth management approval this year.

And I also am recommending that we continue to include the wording we added in 2021 to the resolution.

And that wording talks about the mandate that anyone any commercial or industrial use seeking growth management commission approval.

First demonstrate that utilizes water conservation measures and techniques.

If that finding can be made, then the growth management commission needs to make a finding that the use will promote health welfare and safety or quality of life, or create quality jobs, or promote recreation and tourism.

And if both of those findings are made, the application for the threshold can be approved.

I now will review active construction projects because I typically do this for you.

So I'll show you what's going on.

Adams Estate, that's off Longview.

Those are, I think it's 12 lots, all custom homes, all tear apartments we talked about.

That's a store in William Street.

Anderson Ranch Subdivision, they're nearly built out.

They just have, I think, one or two buildings that have been converted to sales offices that need to be converted back to homes, but they're essentially built out, and you won't see this slide next year.

Arborville is Town Homes, that was one of the first projects the chair and I looked at back in 2017.

Actually, I think we looked at it in 2016.

It started construction 17.

And this was Capstone builders.

They stopped building.

DR Horton picked up what was left of the entitlement and they're under construction right now, and they'll build it out.

That'll be 147 lots once it's built out over on Little Lane.

Blackstone Ranch Phase 2.

This is Rider Homes, it has this under construction.

Blackstone Ranch South, this is at the end of railroad.

You'll recall that this was approved quite a while ago.

It was going to expire, and so they just got a brand new approval to start the clock again for a four-year tentative map approval.

What's holding this up is the connection to Fifth Street because the Army Corps of Engineers has taken jurisdiction on that.

But once they they cross that hurdle, it'll be 103 single family lots.

Border Crossing is right across the street from Mark Turner's other project, which is on, I believe this, no, it's on the west side of Clearview or Silver Sage, Silver Sage.

And so it'll be the same product, just bringing it across the street.

28 lots, and I understand that's moving quickly.

Brown Street Apartments, it's Dwight Millard's project behind Slot World over off Brown Street, and I think there's a total of five buildings and 81 units.

So he's got the last buildings under construction.

Capitol Crossing is America Homes for Rent, and they are currently building phase two.

The assessor had asked me about that, and I looked into it, but this one's moving quickly too.

It's over at Lampa.

Cross Creek Subdivision is rider homes across from the high school, single family detached 119 lots, and they're still building.

Little Lane subdivision, this is Bates Homes.

This was interesting, because this project I remember got a special use permit on the height for the three-story building.

But they are going steady, and so they should be building out the next couple years.

Lampo Ranch West Apartments over on Fifth Rider Homes is now going vertical on those.

So those will take a couple years to build out, and it will be 360 units.

Plateau development is way out on the east end of the of the city off Highway 50, Draco and out that way.

This is KDH Builders, and when all said and done, they'll have 270 lots.

Silver Crest Condos is in the south part of the city off Oak.

And they kind of um they're under construction, but they're kind of rethinking their products.

So I'm not sure if they'll stay with the same product or come in with a different product.

It will be 51 units.

Stafford Way Apartments, this was the vacant law on Silver Sage in Stafford that I think you looked at a handful of times.

And the last time they decided to build it.

So this will be 12 apartment units.

Venado Valley, this is off Ormsby, Toll Brothers building 41 single family house houses.

John Karpatik had brought this one into you.

Silver Oak Subdivision, this is the sort of the last phases of Silver Oak, 54 lots to go, and then they'll be closing out Silver Oak.

It will be built out.

Silver Oak Town Homes, this is behind Glen Eagles, DR Horton obtained an entitlement from you on that, and we believe it will go under construction.

This is a property you looked at a number of times.

Commercial development.

We give you a spattering here, and again, I need to give a shout out to McKenzie who prepares these PowerPoints for me.

Totally appreciate that.

Airport, you have the presentation by Corey Jenkins a couple meetings ago about the airport as an economic development engine.

And it's really interesting.

The snow removal equipment's not that exciting, but when you see he talked about the hangars, and they have hangars under construction there right now.

There's four of them.

So as we see hangars under construction, you can think to yourself whether or not this is associated with some company that's coming in.

Corey only talked about the companies that have publicly discussed their relationship with the city.

He didn't discuss any other businesses.

There's a motorcycle storage building under construction on Boeing Way, so again out by the airport.

Southwest Gas put in some covered parking and other site upgrades over on Coons Lane.

Um Vitality Unlimited over by the hospital.

They are, they have a building permit.

They're probably doing grading.

I don't think they went vertical yet.

Automobile detailing, this is at the Toyota dealership over at Curry.

Self-storage, we have a couple of these ones over on Eagle Station, another ones over on North Wampa.

We have some buildings are going to go up over by the Walmart near where the Bank of America built.

There's I think seven lots in there, and I think we got four building permits in.

And that's what I have.

So I invited him to come to your meeting since it was his first one.

And I thought he did great with that report.

Um our city manager, Glenn Martell's here, and uh Andy is here with Mr.

Renna.

Joe Renna's here.

So um, and Joe runs the quail water treatment plant, but Andy can explain more about his role.

And I'll turn it over to Andy.

You'll remember back in 2021 when I became director, we started having Andy and Eddie come, and then Eddie left and Andy kept it going.

So we totally appreciate that he comes and presents on utilities.

Yeah, thank you, Hope.

Uh for the record, Andy Hummel, utility manager for Carson City Public Works.

Um, here tonight to give our annual uh Carson City Utilities update.

Get my notes here.

Assuming I can read them.

I did bring them.

So yeah, what is Carson City Utilities?

Uh so we provide service in water, wastewater, and stormwater.

Uh personally, I oversee the water and waste water portions.

Uh the stormwater function falls within our engineering and uh street maintenance group, but um with water and wastewater, we serve about 55,000 of our 61-ish thousand residents here in Carson City.

The remainder of those are all on private wells or a couple of private water systems within the city.

Uh we do this with a team of 46 employees across those three utilities.

Um, when we talk capacity, it's it's multifaceted.

We have to look at our legal and permitted right.

You know, do we have the the right to use that water?

Do we have the permits in place to use it to treat it?

Things like that.

We have to look at our production and treatment capability, make sure the water is we're able to produce it and then also clean it to meet the regulations, and then our system capacity.

Can we wield it around the system, convey it back to the treatment plant once people are done with it?

Uh, starting with our water system, uh, that first bullet there's kind of our our system capacity side, you know, how we wield it around town and the the map there on the on the right.

Uh that's our overall system map.

But we have about 350 miles of pipeline in our city that uh makes up about 16 pressure zones around town.

We use 13 booster pump stations to to push water from lower zones up to higher ones.

We have 16 storage tanks that store water and set the pressure in those zones, and then uh 60 pressure reducing valves sort of bring water back down from those upper zones into the lower ones.

This next two slides are two bullets are really our uh production capacity uh in the report and in the past presentations I've given we've been about 75% groundwater and 25% surface water.

Uh currently last year and this year, we're that is more of an 80-20 split.

A little more groundwater, less surface water.

That's largely because our quill water treatment plant is currently down for rehabilitation, so we're relying on wells more to make up that difference while that's happening.

On the groundwater side, we have 21 active wells.

We have 30 total, but nine of those we don't use for various water quality reasons.

We utilize a number of blending programs, some wells that have, you know, arsenic, manganese, uranium, things like that.

We run those in conjunction with cleaner wells before it they blend before it goes into the system, and then gets those constituents down within the contaminant levels allowed by our permits.

We do have an arsenic treatment plant.

Two of those inactive wells would feed that one of those wells produces a lot of silica.

And when we were running it, I mean, this is 15 years ago, that silica was basically an issue with that plant.

We were you producing it was having to we were having to backwash it so much with clean water that it just wasn't economical.

We were almost wasting more water than we could produce with it.

So that's one that we are looking at starting a engineering review to see what it would take to upgrade that, do a different type of process inside that building so we could bring those wells back on as growth continues.

On the surface water side, that's a mix of our creeks and the Marlett Hobart system would go to our quill water treatment plant, and then we have two river induction wells.

So those use our surface rights out of the Carson River.

Those two wells are located adjacent to the river down by Buzys Ranch, that area.

So they're relying on those water rights from the surface water system.

We also have interconnections with town of Minden and Douglas County to our south.

We can bring about five million gallons a day from that interconnection.

We've been relying on that quite a bit with our water treatment plant down.

We also have an operational and emergency intertie with Lion County at our highway 50 tank on the east side of town, where both of our systems can pump into it and pull water back out.

As far as our our legal, our water rights side of it, our water rights portfolio.

It's a mix of of rights in three different groundwater basins: Eagle Valley, Dayton Valley, and Carson Valley.

We have water from Lost Lake and Mud Lake and Ambersetti Pond.

The Lost Lake and Mud Lake, those are lease agreements that we do with the Carson Water Subconservancy District and Brazetti Pond.

That's all water we can release to the Carson River and then use in our river induction wells.

We also on the left side of it there, the Marlet Hobart system and the Ash King Creeks rights, those would normally go into the quilt treatment plant for our surface water side.

Currently, since that's down, we're using the Marlet Hobart water for VC recharge in that canyon.

And then the Ash Kings Creek rights, we are able to use a portion of those thanks to some temporary permits that Eddie got in place before he abandoned us.

But uh they allow us to use those waters make it to the river, and we're able to use those in our river induction wells, a portion of them.

The other thing I want to point out in that upper left corner are effluent reuse.

We're able to offset what we would use in our domestic water system.

We use about 3,000 acre feet every year of treated wastewater effluent from our our wharf, our water resource recovery facility that water the three golf courses here in town and the the state of Nevada prison farm.

By doing that, we're not having to rely on our our domestic water rights or our our system there.

So that helps offset that.

And the main number there, the 18,648, that's the number that we, you know, that's papered water rights.

We have to have the wells and such to be able to produce it, but uh currently we're so showing our next slide here.

We're using uh about 10 to 11,000 acre feet every year of water rights in production.

I think in the report I used the 2021 numbers, that was our highest in the last five years.

It was kind of the tail end of drought cycle there.

Uh we used 11,365.

So that plus our committed water rights of about 2300 acre feet, or we're still well within that 18,000 acre feet that we have on paper.

Uh we produced, like I said, last year, 10,716.

Uh, we used just under 10,000.

Uh, we calculated our water loss off of that every every year.

Uh we would watch that if that kind of that difference between our total meter usage there in the letter blue and the total production.

If we start seeing that start spreading apart, that's starting to indicate that uh we definitely need to pay more attention to are we seeing more leaks or do we have unmetered usage?

Uh, some of that undermetered usage can just be things like our water flushing program that release out of hydrants, things like that.

But uh as far as our peak day, we're able to produce 22 to 23, maybe up to 24, depending on the well capacities, things like that.

But uh with quill down, that's about where we're at.

We're closer to that 22 million gallons a day.

Last five years we've been averaging about 19 million gallons a day peak day in the middle of summer with irrigation on.

Uh, in the winter, we produce just under five MGD.

So, pretty big swing between our our winter usage and our summer.

And the other thing we follow, our drought monitor for the state.

Uh this is more kind of a long lead indicator for us, but kind of influences what what we might see coming.

Uh if we get into to more of a drought right now, we're just abnormally dry.

Be interesting to see like the rain cycle we seem to be in, how that will continue to influence it.

Uh, some of this is also influenced by you know the time when they normally go do their snowpack measurements.

The mountains were bare, and then it snowed like literally the next week.

So uh timing is everything on some of that stuff.

But you know, if we're ex heading into a more extended severe drought, we'll see our water usage will will creep up.

People are trying to irrigate more.

Uh you know, the soil moisture is less, things like that.

They'll need to use more water to get the same thing, and we'll also see less surface water available in the summer.

So we'll be relying more on our wells.

Uh that's where that VC recharge comes into play.

We're able to those rights are essentially emergency storage for drought years that we can rely on.

Uh also we would see it in our wastewater system, uh reduced groundwater infiltration, less rain.

So we'd see less uh water coming in through small cracks, things like that into the sewer pipes.

So our inflow to the wastewater plant would be less, but that can also equal stronger sewer to treat.

So then onto our wastewater system.

Uh again, our capacity is really three parts.

That's what we're legally allowed to do are 6.9 million gallons per day.

That's our permitted capacity for the wharf, the water resource recovery facility.

Our treatment capacity at the wharf is largely governed by the you know, the physical plant capacity, uh, the pipes being sized right, enough excess capacity for a wet weather event, things like that.

Uh our current permit, we monitor and report a lot of constituents, nitrogen, phosphorus, things like that.

In the future, as permit conditions may change, we could see limits be imposed, like a certain amount of each of those constituents.

If it gets to a point where you're allowed, you know, a certain pounds per day type limit or something that could limit a you know a rated capacity depending on what's happening there.

But for now, everything uh, you know, even the permit limits that the state has hinted at we're maintaining within those so we're we're happy.

And then system conveyance that's where our you know 320 miles of collection system pipeline and the five lift stations we have out in the community how we get it from people's homes and businesses back to our wharf to treat it.

And then also how we dispose of it we're not allowed to go to the Carson River.

So all that water that we produce we have to use and reclaimed effluent for our our golf courses and prison farm like I said but we have a system that's 24 miles of pipeline there and about 3,000 acre foot of storage in Brunswick Canyon since irrigation happens in the summer we have to store it in the winter so bump it up there and then use it.

And as far as uh our trend on our our treatment you can see in the graph there 2023 that bar that's kind of the highest that was a really our our peak year that was a really wet spring we saw our average daily flow jump almost a million gallons a day for for the year so especially those first three four months of the year it was it was crazy we were testing that peak flow a lot our total volume treated there that's you see that that number tends to be about five to six thousand acre feet our reservoir does we lose a lot of water just to the the reservoir itself seeks seeps into the ground essentially so some inadvertent recharges happening from that.

The important thing to note I mentioned earlier our our permitted capacity for the wharf is 6.9 million gallons per day that's kind of the brown line at the top the pink line below it is what's called a facility planning trigger so 85% of that capacity we need to have a plan for what are what's the next phase of the or iteration of the wharf gonna look like we actually kicked that off this last year in 23 we got really close to that number and state kind of hinted that we needed to get started on that so we have started that process to to be completed later this year.

And then how do we uh kind of keep ahead of what's what we need our capital projects and planning this is kind of some of our highlights mentioned our quill water treatment plant I'll discuss that more in our next slide that wharf facility master plan update that's currently underway highway 50 we did a utility master plan update on that area at the eastern end of town we looked at that in roughly about 2010 ish.

We need to do an update just you know water usage patterns have changed and and things like that but that was recently completed essentially a tech memo level look at that to what will we need for infrastructure if we were to bring that area into our service area.

Tan Staffel tank we rehabbed that tank recently that project is just finishing up we like to take a at least one tank down every year and recode it inspect it if there's any structural issues get them fixed so we can continue to have that storage available Williams Street right out front here the what looks like a bomb testing facility some days I'm sure but uh a lot of that is our fault uh doing a lot of water and sewer upgrades with that road project so that we don't have to tear that up in the future and then uh getting ready to break ground on a a warehouse building at our wharf uh so big parts big pumps things like that to keep them inside so they don't weather and then uh also vehicles we have a number of vehicles that cleaning uh basically giant vacuum cleaners on wheels that house water uh if we have to drain them every night to keep them from freezing in the winter it's a big process and then they're not ready to go when we need them so uh a little bit about more about our quill water treatment plant upgrade uh 23 million construction contract with resource development uh this is kind of a long term project uh planning started almost a about eight years ago really uh trying to get the the funding figured out what it was going to look like uh the previous plant the process in there it should have been on paper capable about four million gallons a day of treatment we were able to do about a million uh it was a diatomaceous earth filtration process so essentially giant pool filters uh that does not work well with algae things like that which was uh the especially the water we get out of the Marlet and Hobart reservoirs Hobart especially that it just didn't work real well with that so we were very limited on what we could do with that water uh or if we got a rainstorm we'd pretty much have to stop treatment just because of the clarity of the water it could not handle that.

So we landed on uh going to essentially more of a traditional package filtration type process so clarification or settling and then uh media filtration so sand uh things like that um to to filter the water and then UV disinfection the picture on the right is actually one of the filter trains that was uh being craned in last July and then uh the picture in the middle that's our backwash basin system so it's st substantially bigger so we'll be able to as those filters need to backwash that water can go in there settle a little and then we can put it right through the process again and keep and use it.

Uh the plant is designed from four million gallons a day we'll be able to if we wanted to in the future uh the plumbing's in place to expand it to six million gallons a day.

Uh we're kinda the timing on this worked out that we're able to coordinate with the state.

They're rehabbing both the Marlette and Hobart reservoirs.

They did the earthquake retrofits on those they did Marlette last year and then they're getting ready to take Hobart drain it and do it this year.

So we're anticipating an extended recharge period on those before we'll be able to use water especially out of Marlette we're only allowed to use the top three feet so it's gonna be years before we're able to realize that so we'd kind of be wasting that extra capacity until that time anyway.

And with that that's the the highlights of the systems for the year.

Uh any questions I'm happy to address them.

Thank you.

Yeah.

We appreciate that.

Uh the one concern I had was on the wastewater.

And if you go back and look at your slide that you had.

That one.

Yeah.

Uh we know we're gonna be at that facility planning trigger thing in in probably three or four years.

And you we're underway now with a plan.

But but how long from the planning stage to the building stage to the operational stage what what's the time span of something like that.

Yeah it can be I mean the the design side of it can be you know you can be one to two years easily based on our our trended growth we see about one percent a little less actually of if we look at long term trends on the that flow increase.

So kind of closely matching what the demographer has been saying as well for growth.

Looking at it that way it was about a ten year or maybe a little more outlook before we would need to to start building uh we see you know a big growth surge for a few years.

Uh we're thinking it could be you know maybe closer to that five year time frame.

We have been saving some money every year in the in the wastewater fund to help with with that.

I think we have about four million in there at this point of just anticipating that yes there will be some expenses out there at some point but yeah we'll be doing some bonding and things I'm sure when it's time.

Is the idea to always stay under the the five point nine line or is it all right now we're gonna start and now we're gonna build and now we're in the process and we're we're gonna be online before we get to the seven exactly you gotta be online before you get to the seven yeah yep.

Okay.

But I mean that the the the six line is basically a planning line and we're already planning.

So okay exactly that was the only thing that concerned me about the whole report is it yeah we're sneaking up on that thing and if we don't do something about it it's gonna bite us.

Exactly.

Okay.

Um Mr Crone?

Yeah um if you could go back to your production slide your water production slide.

There you go.

Yep.

That's it that's what I'm looking for.

Um you know as as we've been commissioned by the supervisors to look at kind of the long term trends and and build out what how does the public works department look at its facilities related to water system build out if we're looking at 75 to 80,000 uh population.

Now I know it's you know 20 30 years out but how how do you get out that far uh regarding planning or at least general concepts of what uh how the um how the water system's going to handle that demand and that future um growth that Carson City is going to be looking at because we the reason I ask that question is we get a lot of times people coming in here and saying oh um this is a big development we don't have the water I you hear that all the time up here we don't have the water we're in a desert um and they'll use images like what you've shown is that we're you know you look at the state of Nevada they and I think it's a legitimate concern.

I just think it's something that I think we need to be able to address moving forward if people come in and say oh well we're out of water you know what should be our answer.

Yeah I think the the big thing there is yes we we uh for our our planning numbers we are at the point um Eddie was using the same thing before but we are using that build out number for our plans of we did I did put money in the this upcoming fiscal year budget to update our our water master plan uh it's was last you know a big update was last done in 2016 so but it's been about 10 years it was due.

Uh we looked at our water resources from a build out standpoint uh in twenty nineteen so that'll be something that's also about a 10 year cycle so we'll be looking at that in the next couple of years uh but yeah from a a water standpoint we definitely want to make sure what that that capacity needs to be in the future so that as growth continues that our wells are are capable of doing what we need them to do.

One thing I didn't mention um you know I mentioned that we have 30 wells in Carson City, 21 of them which we're currently using uh one thing we've started looking at this last year it's doing some some profiling of those wells um looked at one active well and one that we haven't used for a number of years due to some contaminants in it to see you know uh there's some newer technology out where you can profile those and see what level in the well that's coming from or is it coming through the whole well and if it is coming from like one zone because the ground is made up of just layers can you block that off and get cleaner water um or we got in preliminary results back on the one well we have been using they don't look great but that helps answer the question you know that'll need to be replaced at some point but yeah well that that's very helpful thank you.

Um because for us you know we're looking at uh you know allocation of of residential permits and as time goes on I would think it would be not wise on the city's part to move past the allocation of residential resources if we don't have the water.

Yeah.

So that's one of the important reasons you're here today and and helping us understand in the community what what our future looks like related to being able to provide you know a quality water service exactly community.

Yep.

So thank you.

Mr.

Chair, if I can just add, as part of the master plan, um, we did work closely with public works and specifically utilities.

And the um utilities are planning for a population of 80,000 people.

So that that was how Andy had explained he was planting it, and that actually is in our master plan.

I'll also remind the Growth Management Commission that we in the master plan have an urban service boundary, so that we prioritize where the utilities go based on where they can serve it.

And so any expansion of that urban service boundary and the urban service boundary is reviewed annually as part of the master plan annual report so they can determine if it's if it's you know if they're advising the c the board supervisors because it's ultimately their decision whether or not to expand that urban service boundary so that they can serve an area beyond that area.

So granted that's a geographic area, but it also creates a limitation on where intensive growth that relies on those services will be located.

Mr.

Brooks.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair, and thank you for coming out uh and being so helpful with this.

This is in the conversations I have in the community.

This is the issue that comes up first when you talk about the shape of Carson City's future.

Um looking at that chart, you see a population that's rising slowly and water usage that very gently has trended down.

And I recall last year you had a clearer representation of how per capita use had declined.

What I can't remember, and what I'm hoping you can uh illuminate me on, is that the result of a lot of changes in standards for household plumbing fixtures, or is it the result of a single large change?

A little of both.

Yeah, yeah, a little of both.

And that that population, some of that is kind of skewed by the range of the right, that axis there.

And uh I went back to 2018 uh in previous versions.

I've shown that back to like early 2000s.

Yeah, and I would to about 2013 we were in the 12 to 13,000 acre feet produced every year, and then it dropped, and that was largely it was two things.

Plumbing codes helped.

Uh people were borrowing money and doing re rehabs on their houses and getting rid of old toilets and fixtures and things like that.

Sure.

But also we went to tiered metering.

Okay, and that really helped as as the usage goes up, it gets more and more expensive for a thousand gallons and people became more aware of that usage and and reduced.

And then my follow-up question, I'm gonna go ahead and guess you know the plumbing landscape better than I do.

Um do you see anything on the horizon that would uh either in terms of your department's policy or uh construction standards that would trigger over the next few years and cause a similar downward trend?

Um I'm not aware of anything on the plumbing side.

More than yeah, that they're that they're pursuing like any big changes like that.

Uh it's largely the things we watch are what would affect water quality standards and what that could do to us.

Thank you so much.

Um Hope talked about the urban service boundary.

Yep.

And one of the things that I think the commission was surprised to see is the little red squares of places in the service boundary that do not have city service.

Yeah.

And I think one of the goals we wanted to do is to try and find a way to get everybody online.

And I don't know whether we ought to do that at the review of the master plan or the growth management, but it it it all relates, but I I just I just think we need to highlight that somewhere and talk about it uh as an item.

Sure, and um we had identified that as something to be reviewed annually as part of the master plan.

I think um what you're referring to for the benefit of the public who may be watching are there's kind of holes in the donut.

You have this perimeter or this boundary, but within that boundary, there's pockets where it's not served and it's not included in the urban service boundary.

So that's something I can talk to Andy about and see if that's a standalone item that would come before us or if we wait till master plan annual report.

Master plan would be fine.

I just think we need to make sure that that Andy's you know can can talk to it, you know.

Sure.

This is how many we got, this is how good we did, or this is how bad we did, or yeah.

Today we're looking at capacity and based on capacity, um, what what growth should be what's your recommendation on growth?

And Andy, did you all sample the water quality in the in the Carson River?

We do some sampling, it's more for our wastewater permit than the the water, the domestic water side.

Is the that leakage, the seepage that I mentioned in our effluent reservoir, some of that shows up as springs along the river.

So we test the river both above and below and at that point where those springs are to ensure that we're not affecting the river water quality.

I don't know if you know it or not, but the Carson Valley Middle School has just started a program where they constantly are s cool servicing, and I'm sure they would be happy to share their data with you if you would like it, but I I would like to make that connection, yeah.

So, are there any other questions, Randy?

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

No, no, not yet.

Oh we have anybody else to no, that's fine.

You want to uh well we can give him the opportunity if he wants to speak, he's here.

Okay.

Yes, yes, it was a very nice report.

Good answer.

Um there was a school report in here.

My question is is that right now we're seeing more and more charter schools, and we're seeing more and more homeschooling, and our schools or public schools are reducing in usership.

And the question is, is through the growth management, are we actually gauging those other schooling opportunities?

Because otherwise it looks like we have, you know, 15% of our population is children, and 50% of them are gone.

Um I spoke to the school board just a couple weeks ago, I can't remember what date it was, um, because they wanted to understand how what city policies in terms of growth policies and master plan policies were in place that might impact the schools because the public schools clearly are having a reduction in enrollment.

Um I am aware that there's a charter school looking for land or a building in Carson City, but they don't exist yet.

There's the St.

Teresa's school, there's the Montessori School, but right now as part of this program and and growth management, I'm only consulting with the public school superintendent, but I can certainly broaden that should we see significant other resources like I think later on today's agenda you have the special use permit for the St.

Teresa's school.

So once that's realized, we can look more to uh uh broader broadly.

But one of the things that came up at the school board that was interesting is ten years ago when growth and I could go back to the original slide, but you all can picture it, things were quiet, and then 2016 it sort of took off.

And that corresponds with when Chair Borders joined the planning commission and when I joined the city, which is coincidental.

But when that happened in 16, and Commissioner Umcron may recall, we were meeting with the school staff constantly because all of a sudden this housing was coming to Carson City that they hadn't realized and they had no idea where they were gonna put all these kids.

And they actually commissioned a third party study to try to figure out how many kids they could anticipate coming from or students I should say from each of these developments.

And it was um yeah, there we were talking non-stop and they were very involved in reviewing development projects and and so on.

That's our dropped off as school enrollment dropped off because there didn't seem to be an urgency.

So something that we're starting to do is go back to where we were with the school and making sure we're involving them in development reviews and gain their input and making sure they're aware of everything that's going on, like we were doing in 16, 17 and 18, so that we can make sure they're not surprised by growth that might come forward.

But right now the school's challenge as I see it is a lack of students.

Well, I'd like to talk to the assistant fire chief, but that's it's his title.

Acting acting, fire chief.

I'm sorry, I tried to get you out of here.

Yeah, I appreciate the effort.

No, I'm happy to happy to answer your questions though.

Well, I I'm just uh part of this is just giving you the opportunity to kind of um blow your own horn really to do the new fire station that's come online.

And so I'd like you to talk a little bit about um how this new fire station is uh serving the community, how the response times, especially on the east side of town have reduced.

Um I if this that has been something that's been in the works for a while, I think the city really should share with the public the benefit that at least specifically the east side of Carson City has gotten because of that fire station.

Yeah, great.

Uh yeah, happy to talk about that.

Um so thank you, Mr.

Vice Chair.

Um yeah, Kevin Nyberg, acting fire chief um for the record.

And um, so I've been with the fire department for 20 years, and um that has been a need during that time for that entire time.

So um and station 55 is the first fire station added to the fire department in over 50 years.

You know, we built station 51 in the 90s, but that was to replace a previous fire station.

So this was the first one added in.

Um so to say it has impacted the fire department in a positive way is an understatement.

I mean, now we have four fire apparatus, three fire engines and one ladder truck that actually are servicing our community um when we previously only had three.

Um, and so that's a huge change to have a 25% increase of the fire capacity in the city.

Um, but to your point, you know, servicing the east side of town um previously that was serviced by station 51 on Stewart Street.

Um that's quite a haul, especially out to Carson River Road area.

Um so yeah, we've greatly um seen the impact in that specific community getting response times that were up well, you know, five, eight minutes.

Um now we're getting them closer to the five, four right where we want to see them.

Um so you know, it was an instant instant change uh when we opened it to the positive for the community.

Um, and in addition to that, you know, we just added an ambulance um into our community as well.

Um, and so we have an additional ambulance that's gonna be running, um, and that's gonna serve the EMS capacity um for our city and reduce response times um and just distribute the load throughout our our EMS system, which is gonna be huge.

Great impact, so yeah.

No, I was I've been excited.

I don't live too far from um uh the fun the new fire station and you know I I get to hear the sirens a little more often than I used to, but that's okay because I I know they're taking care of us on the east side of town and I think if I recall right, and this is kind of a digression a little bit, but I think the response time to my house if something happened was like eight minutes, and so now that's a lot less.

So I certainly have appreciated the addition of that fire station.

Yeah, we're loving it.

So thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Barzel.

Thank you.

Um this is a question for open, and I'm not gonna hold you to it because it's theoretical at this point because we haven't seen any on the mixed use and commercial mixed use on the water demand.

You're just forecasting that.

Do you think it's gonna be on an individual basis or once we get a couple of these and see how they actually develop and and based on those water demands, try to estimate off of that?

No, good question.

You'll notice in the report.

I didn't bother with the forecasting because it's just so unknown, it wouldn't be meaningful.

I think if as we see the corridor mixed use developing, if we start to see trends, we can certainly say, Oh, looks like this is what is um desirable in Carson City.

Um, so yeah, I'd have to wait to see if we see trends.

It's too difficult right now to forecast.

The other question on those is is if it's a mixture of commercial and residential uh or non-residential and residential, do you see a third category splintering off between the the general development and the the individual to a third type of category, or do you think you'll see either individual um less than 31 and then 31 or above?

Good question.

I think with um uh it was supervisor shooty a number of years ago said to me, what happens when we build out?

And I said we redevelop.

And so as we I think we have a lot and we've talked about this as part of the master plan, we have a lot of opportunities in this town for redevelopment.

And I think as we see that redevelopment happen, it will be smaller lots, so less than 31 units.

So I I can see you know some nice small infill projects as part of redevelopment of underutilized lands.

That could potentially encourage more attainable housing as opposed to you know what our current situation is as well.

Right, it will just as long I mean the whole master plan looks at a diversity of land uses, including a diversity of housing.

And so I think the redevelopment of small infill sites is an it's absolutely an opportunity for for some type of smaller type of unit.

Okay.

All right.

I have one more question, and that just basically has to do with we we look at our water, we look at our all of our different infrastructure.

There is one area that we have not been really looking at, which has created issues in our neighboring states, and that is actually energy for electricity and that type of thing, and I know we don't really do it here, but the question is is if we had a use come in to the city, do we look at what kind of uh requirements that they have for electricity use and will it you know create issues with particular community.

Understood.

Um if you look at page one of the report, you'll see where I quote municipal code eighteen twelve oh one five, and the board has specifically identified what we need to look at for growth management.

That said, subsection I is other resources or services as determined by the board of supervisors.

So your question's an interesting one, and or your comment I should say, and this this commission could certainly recommend to the board that next year we look at you know energy as a resource or service as part of growth management, and we have some type of meeting with NV Energy to talk to them about capacity with energy.

So we could certainly do that, but the answer is no.

We're we um NV Energy is the the energy provider in Southwest Gas, I guess we could count them in too.

And we rely on them to determine their capacity and people work privately with them.

We haven't been looking at it.

Okay.

All right well the issue I think in front of us is going to be the twofold one of them is the 10,000 gallons a day and I don't know that we want to change that.

I don't know if anybody else has a feeling I forgot to tell you one thing I'm sorry.

And it's not urgent I'm sorry to interrupt you with this but it was interesting.

I asked Stephen Potai to look at that table where um industrial and commercial uses had obtained growth management approval and to look at what that approval number was versus what is being realized and without exception the realized amount of water is less than what was approved.

I thought that was really good information.

Well I think I still think that's a good number and the other the other issue is going to be that the number of uh dwelling units and that it's eight hundred and eleven it's on page eleven of the staff report yeah so there will be three things one you'll look at the um total number of allocations you'll look at the distribution which I'm recommending forty three percent for general fifty seven percent for development and you'll look at whether or not that threshold is still 10,000 gallons per day average um you'll make a decision whether or not to keep that criteria that we added back in 2021 in the resolution that's not a formal action but it's in the draft resolution that you have and if you want the um to communicate to the board supervisors to add another resource for study.

Okay.

Well you know my feeling about the three percent and I'm I'm gonna stick with what we have this year but I have a recommendation for you or for us.

I did some work if you take the demographers seven tenths of a percent and run that out to population the max population of 8000 people that happens about the year 2064.

All right the growth we have 26,000 units that we can build so the growth ought to coincide with the population and if we just continue taking three percent and three percent and three percent um well for ten years from now we're gonna do a thousand a month thousand a year twenty years from now we're gonna do a hundred uh fifteen hundred a year and if we take the numbers if we take our three percent numbers and look at what's actual it's really about two thirds every year.

So if we do that it gets the same kind of thing but it gives us a build out if we use two percent of our accumulated number for the next however many years it is we're gonna build out in twenty fift 2056 but our population's not going to reach maximum until 2064 so for eight years people are going to stand around on top of each other.

And are you keeping the household size static?

Yeah.

And the other thing is the three percent and is your three percent assuming all the allocations are utilized.

Yeah no I no I'm okay I I'm I'm just trying to find a way that makes more sense.

Understood and and what I came up with which I'd like to look at is if we take the average actual build outs of the last five years and average them, that would be the number for the next year.

And that would be a rolling, it would move forward every year.

So if we built more and more and more, it would get larger and larger and larger.

If we build less and less and less, it would get smaller and smaller.

And if you do that just on the static numbers, we build out the same year that we meet max population.

Which to me is what we really want to do instead of just creating a number that has no basis in reality.

So that's my soapbox.

And I will be happy to work with you or anybody else on and for the next year to try and find a way to do that.

But but I just, you know, this thing has been bothering me for 10 years.

All right.

Any other comments?

Oh, yeah.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

For what it's worth, it hasn't bothered me for 10 years, but it's bothered me since you brought it up last year.

It's been on my mind too.

Uh I I like and generally support what you're saying.

I would if if we were going to make a recommendation on that, I want I want to be aware of how housing production dips in a bad recession and how that would skew the number of units you were able to build just as you were coming out of that recession.

So, you know, with that with that caveat, I would say, you know, we're not gonna solve it tonight.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying the methodology we have doesn't tell us anything.

And uh this is just a this is a big broad stroke at something that makes a little more sense.

And I I don't care if we all sit or three of us sit in a room at a time and and work on this, but it uh just I think I think we need to find a way to find a better methodology.

Yeah, and I apologize.

I think we are supposed to do that this past year, and we didn't do it.

Yeah, but nobody pressed you.

True.

Mr.

Crone, yeah, I'd I'd like to weigh in on this too.

I think this is a good idea.

We we talk about planning for our water build out at 80,000.

We talk about planning for our wastewater treatment plant um and capacity and full build out.

I think it would be a good exercise to go through and find that, and I think to address Mr.

Brooks' concerns, Commissioner Brooks' concerns is that if we do get a downturn, we can always adjust the numbers at the growth management meeting that following year.

So there is a way to you know adjust that, and that's kind of the beauty of meeting once a year, to take a look at the trends, and if we had a downside, we can, you know, especially if the economy is revving up, we could add a little bit on if we've had a downturn and it's picking back up.

So I I think it would be a good thing to look at what uh what might be build out from a residential perspective and if that's 3% holds, or if we need to realistically look at maybe a two or two and a half percent allocation, Mr.

Preston.

Yeah, I'm thinking about the fact that we actually do have some history as far as downterns.

If we could look at it even from a longer uh time, I mean, when this first came in was when we didn't have any real water, and that was in the 70s, and that's when this all came in.

In the 70s, we're very tough on a lot of people, because that's when we were at 13% interest rates, and then we go to 87s, and we ended up with, you know, having to go in and do the usury and we're past 21 20 percent, and now I mean I just got turned over to a new credit card, and it then without me even knowing it that now it's at 34%.

Thank God I pay every year, I mean every month.

But I mean, I'm seeing that some of this stuff is happening.

I'm seeing it that uh somebody asked me the other day about all of the building and stuff that's going on, it's really great that it's all going on, but it also reminds me of being in the 70s when we used to do push-pull or drag, they're actually offering commissions to real estate agents, builders are, which they had not.

We're seeing more incentives, we're seeing individual investors doing buy downs.

You know, a lot of different things are going on, so I think we're gonna have some economic, we have some different indicators that we can look at over a longer term period.

So I think that I think this is an absolute great idea, but we do we do live in cycles, Mr.

Chair, if I may, um just one just to do a quick reset.

The point of the growth management is to add the board's identified essential resources that have to be considered for managed growth.

So what the ordinance says is we need to look at these very specific things that are in the municipal code, they're identified and look at the impact on those resources.

So I think instead of sort of just doing a bunch of math, we have to really do a deep dive with the folks who are responsible for providing the water, providing the wastewater, providing the fire service, providing the sheriff service, providing parks of the rack, providing education, and yeah, one by one, say how how exactly does growth impact your your ability and your capacity, and what would be helpful to you in being able to continue to to provide that service at the level you are or at a better level.

But I think we have to go back to the origin as we have this discussion and not just have mathematical exercises.

That's my only input.

All right.

Anyone feel one way or the other on that?

Yeah, I kind of like that idea.

It's uh again, especially as they keep talking about these big huge data centers coming online, other development that's happening, renow growth.

Where the mag the electricity doesn't magically appear.

There has to be some sort of planning process that NV Energy goes through to provide power uh through different plants or buying it from different sources, something I know absolutely nothing about, but again, it just doesn't magically appear.

And if we are looking at 80,000 um build out for the city in a number of years, it would be nice to know that NV Energy, at least in their planning efforts are are considering that as a part of their calculations related to providing our community that opportunity because without power, we're not gonna go far.

Just kind of like water.

You know, if we don't have enough water, we're not gonna go anywhere, and if we don't have enough power, we're not gonna go anywhere either.

So I I think again, long-term planning, I think it would be nice to add uh electricity to the things that we would be providing recommendations to or thoughts to the board on.

Okay.

Are there any other comments?

A public comment?

Now, Denny French, Carson City, Nevada.

Um, Ms.

Preston's question to me was one that I've been asking, but for different reasons.

I'm asking not because we don't necessarily have a quantity, it's uh quality, which I'm not worried about.

I think uh Mr.

Hummel is doing a great job with that.

The blending matter is another deal because certain things had been brought up within nitrates and such like that, but our granite foundation to this city brings in those type of concerns at every well, really, as things are moving.

So my question would be: do we really have the quality of water through the blending process that we have now and is a stable and as predictable as we're suggesting?

And I suggest that we're predicting a little optimistic, and I would like that to be considered.

I also want to bring up uh the electrical part is not whether or not we can get the wired electricity in the cars and they'll just put a price on it, so we'll decide if we're gonna pay, but where that water is gonna come from to generate that electricity also to support a 1A or I artificial intelligence is a big concern, and they've had to take a little bit of a jig because they realized that it cost them less to have the CEOs they fired than it does to actually have the to the production of that informational gathering.

But the water that's involved in the state's situation with water is still tentative, and that it will draw on what we're we're available for just at a price.

So we're not just talking about do we have the water, but can we afford it?

And so also um it is nice when people are here from departments and such to do their statements of considerations and their reports, and I really do need to hear them.

I've had trouble getting on a computer period, and I've been digging through what I can today because it's been right up to the wire.

So I appreciate your patience, but I do want us to remember we can get things, it's what the price will be.

It's like the sheriff says we can get the help here, but it's gonna cost you.

So let's look at it almost at that basic route.

Thank you.

Any other public comment?

Okay.

Hope what hot what form does this motion need to be?

Um, what I was just making notes to myself.

I think what you can do is use the motion that has been provided about the draft resolution, and ask me to communicate to the board on your behalf that you'd like to add energy as another resource or service per municipal code 1812-015i, and also to communicate to the board of supervisors that during the year, the coming year, you will be reviewing the methodology to determine a methodology that is it's a little more meaningful than the 3%, 47, 53 percent.

I think the 10,000 is meaningful, all right.

I make that motion.

Okay.

Any other discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye, opposed no.

Motion carries.

All right.

Public comment for the uh, you got it, growth management before we adjourn.

You're doing it.

Thank you very much.

Jenny French.

My public comment on the growth development and the agenda in general is it's been confusing to me.

I look at the material here is not following what I'm seeing on the agenda as it's listed, and perhaps it's just an angle adjustment that I need to make, but also um when there are people discussing their um general uh reports for the year that I actually do want them here, and unfortunately, they do have to stay for some of the things coming up in planning anyway, because there's fire department permits or okay's and approvals and considerations, and then the sheriff to see if we've got everybody covered and other facilitators.

But my thing is I wanted to ask um Mr.

Hummel about the centifuges that we spent quite a bit of money to have repaired recently that were intent set to probably go to a uh different unit in the future, and was that considered in the water use and if sludge is going to be considered as a product, which other places like New York years ago decided they just had too much, they didn't know what to do with it, they were giving it away to places like Chicago and farms up on the northern areas to use as fertilizers, and also just the understanding that urine is very valuable.

Who would have thought, right?

And could we use some of the water that we're blending to sell to units that can use it for other ops just by adding another chemical to them?

Can they make them productive in another way?

So our waste might be somebody else's pocketbook if a business were to pick up.

So I almost want to insist that they do their programs even though it might be online because my access to a computer has been so limited this whole month.

The library's been doing some regrades and upgrades and such, and in general, for the public to stay informed, unless you have an iPhone, unless you have a computer, you're really in the dark.

And some of these suggested agenda items are done with some poisoned consideration, and I appreciate their in-depth, whereas uh other people's agendas aren't so in depth.

So you're not really sure what you're getting into.

Thank you very much.

All right, any other public comment?

All right, at this time, we're going to adjourn to growth management commission meeting.

Uh we're gonna reconvene as the planning commission in about uh 10 minutes.

Okay, so I need to be a good one.

Um it's now 5 27 and like to call to order the planning commission.

Uh, would you call the role, please?

Chair Borders, present Vice Chair Cron.

Here, Commissioner Brooks, Commissioner De Christopher, Commissioner Peterson, Commissioner Preston, Commissioner Pizell.

Present.

A quorum is present.

Thank you.

The public is invited at this time to comment on any topic that's related to a matter over which this public body, which is now the Planning Commission, has supervision, control, jurisdiction, and advisory power, including any such matter that is not specifically included on the agenda as an action item.

No action may be taken on matters raised during this period of public comment.

Is there any public comment at this time?

Go ahead.

Um, okay.

Good evening.

My name is Tanya Brown.

I am here to follow up on the April 29th public comment regarding Mr.

Daniels Portillo's request to build a 980 square foot ADU at 2828 Lucas Lane.

My time expired at the meeting, and since the since then, additional events have occurred that this commission needs to be aware of.

After the hearing, Mr.

Portola retained an attorney who sent me a cease and desist letter demanding that I stop contacting the Carson Building Department, the permit division, this commission, or any other government agencies.

The letter contains their letter contained false and slanderous statements about what I supposedly said during my public comment.

It also goes on to say he claimed I harassed him, filed false reports, and made discriminatory remarks.

Yes, I contacted the building department because I have personal experience with permitting process.

When we added a thousand square foot feet to our home, neighbors were notified.

We and we obtained and posted all required permits.

Last year we obtained two more permits for a new roof and for replacing cast iron plumbing, and again, everything was properly posted.

Many of our neighbors have done the same.

However, the homes at 2808, 2828, and 2860, Lucan's Lane, all owned and occupied by Mr.

Portella had new roofs installed with no posted permits.

In addition, a residential structure resembling a mother-in-law unit was built at 2860 Lucan's Lane without any permit at all.

The building department investigated after my inquiry and confirmed that none of this work was permitted.

My understanding is they will require Mr.

Portella to pay the permit fees on two of the roofs because they were done over a year ago, and what I call the mother-in-law quarters will have to pay for the permit fees.

These fees will then now be attached to the 2828 Lucas Lane building per meet fees that you grant passed last month.

During my original comment, I also raised concerns about safety and communication.

A neighbor witnessed a man entering the property of the senior woman who lives alone, taking photographs and return to the vehicle parked in the vicinity of 2860 Lucas Lane, though not necessarily so associated with the property.

In another incident, a man approached her while she was doing yard work and then returned to 2860 Lucas Lane, where Mr.

Perdol owns this residence.

These concerns were about trespassing and safety, not race.

My own family is Hispanic, and I stated that clearly.

Given the unconfirmed unpermitted construction and false statements made about me and the pattern of bypassing required process, I respectfully request this commission consider and revoke the ADU approval for 2828 Lucas Lane and require Mr.

Portella to reply in five years after demonstrating consistency.

Our concerns have always been about preserving single-family homes, maintaining neighborhood character, and protecting our senior citizens, especially single female females.

In fact, last year I approached Mr.

Portella about organizing the neighborhood effort to check on our elderly residents because Tony who lives at 2820 Lucas passed away alone and was not found for days.

He declined, which was his choice, but he knows my concerns have always been about safety, communication, and community the community well-being, not race.

So now I am being sued, or in the process of being sued, over me coming here telling you I opposed that.

And because I contacted the building department who affirmed he went and got all of these.

And there was the question that was raised about why does the mother-in-law's quarters need three bedrooms, if you recall that.

Okay.

And so the fact is he has a mother-in-law's quarters over on another piece of property, and all of this done was done illegally.

Thank you.

Thank you.

On the records, the letter to the attorney that I wrote.

Thank you.

I appreciate your time.

The uh previous statements were necessary, and it's a shame that we have to rush through them.

She has real concerns and and they don't not necessarily.

They meant they actually have a bit of a touch on my situation at present.

What I say here, if I bring things up that are concerns to me, will I be in the same boat?

Um, and that's just me.

You know, I will face if I've libel or if I've done something.

So, but just the process of asking help from the building and find out if people have permits and such, I hope doesn't get me in issues.

The deal for me today is that um having not had the time I would have liked for this, I am looking forward to a little bit more information about this structure that's proposed off next to St.

Teresa's.

St.

Teresa's is a big part of this community, and appreciate that.

I'm not, their involvement with the community has been very thoughtful and I appreciate it.

I don't feel that this is the right place for such a big location.

I do appreciate the fact that it has some limitations on the student body that will be there.

I believe it's 300 and such.

I do have had, but Heather took care of a concern about FAA consideration, and so that's it, and I appreciate again your ability to help with time when it's available.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other public comment?

Uh we have one other public comment that we received via email from uh Casey Baldwin.

All the commissioners have received a copy of it.

And I would just like to acknowledge that we did receive it.

All right.

Minutes of April 29th, 2026.

Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes?

Right.

Uh, huh?

All right.

I guess you're not going to make a motion then.

Are you?

There are any other additions or corrections to the minutes?

All right, can I have a motion?

I move to approve the minutes of April 29th, 2026.

I'll second as amended.

As amended.

Thank you.

Second.

Agrees.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Abstains.

Commissioner Brooks abstains.

Thank you.

AB 2026-0067 discussion and possible action regarding their recommendations, recommendations of the Board of Supervisors concerning an application from ARA USA LLC to abandon 15,798 or so square feet portion of the access drainage and public utility easement bisecting a parcel located on research way, parcel number APN 008922-07.

Heather.

Staff has made all findings and is recommending the planning commission recommend approval of the abandonment subject to the three conditions that are included in the staff report.

I'm available for questions and the applicant's representative is also here.

Okay.

Are there questions for staff?

Is the applicant here?

You come forward, please.

State your name for the record.

No, yeah.

Push the button, make it green.

Yes, green.

Okay.

Jim Bailey, Meridian Surveying Mapping.

Okay.

There are three conditions of approval.

Are you familiar with them and are they acceptable to you?

Yes.

Okay.

Are there any questions for the applicant?

All right.

Is there any public comment?

All right.

Is there a motion?

I move to recommend that the board of supervisors approve the abandonment of the access drainage and public utility easement based on the findings and subject to the conditions of approval contained in the staff report.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Commissioner Brooks seconds.

Is there any further discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed no.

Motion carries.

Thank you, sir.

LU 2026-0070.

Discussion and possible action regarding an application from Ed Alexander for a special use permit to allow for the operation of a cannabis production facility on property zone general industrial at 4949 Highway 50 East, APN 008 371-05.

Heather.

For medical marijuana production approved in 2015.

The facility consists of an intake room, extraction area, refinement area, edibles manufacturing area, packaging area.

Shipping and receiving area, storage room, and office and break room.

Per the municipal code, marijuana establishments, including production facilities are conditional uses in the general industrial zoning district.

Therefore, a special use permit is required.

There are also supplemental standards outlined in um division 1.20 of the development standards.

And per these standards, a special use permit is not transferable between operators.

The applicant is not proposing any changes to the current operations and staff has not received any complaints related to this facility.

Staff was able to make the required findings and is recommending approval subject to the conditions of approval which are included in your staff report.

We did receive one written public comment, which was included in your packet.

Um I'm available for questions, and the applicant team is also here.

What about the water use?

Steven.

Stephen can take that.

I asked I asked to see what the water use was because it's always been a question.

And we just got done with the work of management.

So Stephen Poteo development engineering for the record.

So the site used an average of a hundred and twenty gallons per day over the past year, and to give some context, the auto repair shop next door uses about 153.

Okay.

So pretty low.

All right.

So it it's not a it's not a water user.

All right.

Thank you.

Any other questions for staff?

Commissioner Crome?

Yeah, I had a question.

Now again, I want to make sure I was at the right place.

I I go out and I look at each each uh application, and I went out to four uh nine four nine um highway 50 east, and it's Huntley Motor World, is what it says on the front of the building.

I have the right building.

Is that correct?

Okay, I was just going like, okay, there's there was because there was no signage whatsoever that related to there were bars on the windows in the back, but there wasn't.

I just wasn't sure I was at the right facilities, so I want to make sure that I'm approving something that I know exactly what building it's in.

And Alexander, for the record.

Uh so Huntley Motor uh occupies the front half of this industrial complex, where the last three units on the right hand side all the way at the end.

Okay.

That's what I that's what I kind of figured after a while, but it was uh I just but there was no signage that maybe that's the way it's supposed to be by design.

The state of Nevada doesn't want uh you know to bring attention to what may or may not be happening within the confines of the four walls.

Well, that worked because I was I was scratching my head.

It's like I had the right spot.

It works.

It worked.

Thank you very much.

That's helpful.

Thank you.

Are there any other questions for staff?

The applicant is here.

I assume right there, yes.

Oh, there are eight conditions of approval.

Are they acceptable to you?

They are okay.

Are there any other questions for the applicant?

No, any public comment.

All right.

Is there a motion or discussion?

Yeah, I'll move to approve LU 2026 0070 based on the findings subject to the conditions of approval contained in the staff report.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

There you go.

There's no been moved and seconded.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, no.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I did want to make one mention.

Heather's been very helpful during this process, and this morning, we were the subject of a potential scam that you may want to make some of your other applicants aware of, is that somebody is tracking the SUP movement on Carson City.

They reached out to us via email and tried to extract about $8,500 in alleged fees on behalf of Carson City.

So uh I we made Heather aware of it uh instantly, but but it may be something that you guys want to keep an eye on moving forward because it uh it presented on letterhead it looked relatively official, other than a a bit of a questional email uh address of origin, but just FYI.

There's some folks that are paying attention to what you guys are doing down here.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Actually, thank you for saying that because your information is redacted.

So I'm shocked they got your email address.

In fact, as you've been talking, I looked at the applications for you and the next one, and email addresses do not appear.

That said, for the next applicant as well, and we should probably start saying this at the beginning of every meeting.

It's going on all over the country.

People are looking at applications and sending um false invoices telling you to wire money and the money will be wired, and there's we talked to the sheriff's office.

There's nothing we can do.

So thank you for that, and I'll work with the chair to make that a standard announcement at the beginning of every meeting.

That was the number one trigger, ma'am.

That that indicated, you know, I I have one email address that I utilize for certain business and others, the solicitation didn't come to the email address that you guys had on file.

It they they pinged me at one of my other businesses and and I said, wait a minute, this these two aren't interconnected.

So uh just FYI.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

And I'm glad you didn't pay them.

I'll take it anytime.

All right.

LU 2026-0028 discussion and possible action regarding an application from St.

Teresa of Aviva uh RL property LLC for a special use permit to allow for the construction of a 59,675 square foot structure and associated site improvements to accommodate child development center and a school use on a 13.91 acre parcel, currently zoned limited industrial with a concurrent request for zoning change to public P located at 3000 North Lampa Lane, APN 008-92231.

Heather Massel.

Thank you, Heather Manzo for the record.

Uh so this request is for a combined child care and uh K-8 school facility that would be located on the northern, about one-third of this parcel um adjacent to Commerce uh and to the west of North Lampa Lane.

Uh this is the site plan uh again commerce way is that east-west uh roadway shown there.

I posted the landscape plan because the site plan was pretty busy with some other lines that made it a little bit difficult to display uh for presentation purposes.

Uh so as the request is proposed, um there's sufficient parking for the proposal.

Uh their parking analysis showed that they needed 71 spaces to meet code.

They're providing 77.

And in addition to that, they do not provide bus service.

They're planning on having uh parent uh pick up and drop off.

I did ask the applicant about um that uh aspect of their um operations, and they did say while it's parent pickup and drop-off, they do have a lot of families that have multiple children that get dropped off at the same time, and so uh with the site plan there is a dedicated lane for the pickup and drop-off that does not impede uh circulation for folks that are just driving through um from the park areas.

Uh, there is a condition number six that relates to a couple of actions that are all in process, one of them being that zoning map amendment that's scheduled to be heard by the board next week um for adoption, and the abandonment was approved and is pending um some finalization of meeting the conditions of approval so they can record the abandonment uh order.

Uh and then in terms of other conditions, we do have the last condition uh is related to the maximum number of students that can be um in attendance at the school, and that's the reason that this was continued from the uh March meeting was because the applicant needed to update their study to make sure that uh they could increase the requested number of students and not impact uh traffic and and um other aspects that are related to uh the site design.

So the applicant is requesting 330 total students, that is a combined uh number between the child care facility and the school, and uh condition number uh 10 has that maximum student number listed.

Uh so staff is recommending approval of the request.

I did not receive any public comments or inquiries, and the applicant is available.

Should you have any questions for him?

Okay.

Oh, 29 foot building, that's the size of the of the school, the highest part of the school.

That's correct.

And this is in the airport control zone area, so it needs an FAA approval.

Um that's that's a recommendation that comes up quite often, but yes, that is something that was recommended um for this project.

Is there an approval for the steeple?

Um, church.

There was I don't there would have been.

It's called the deterrent, sorry Heather.

It's called the determination of no hazard is what they seek, and it's typically handled at not as part of the special use permit, but as part of a ministerial permit, and so a church with a staple would be subject to a ministerial permit.

Um, had there been coordination with the airport, and I can't speak to the specifics of this church, but typically we're we're more cautious than less cautious because um we we don't want anybody in harm's way, and we don't want to compromise the safety.

My point was if if there was already one there in place for the church, which I think there should be, then I I don't see why we need to do one for the school.

Uh well, because we'll look for it with the building permit.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

Yeah, a couple things for for Heather and then uh Steven.

As you'll recall, we had a special use permit from um goodness me.

Anyway, uh over at the Boys and Girls Club.

And there was concern at the drop-off and the area that we were taught or the number we were talking about at the boys and girls club is pretty small as far as drop-off goes, and they're bussing everything in, you know, potentially 330 people are dropping or students being dropped off.

Does the parking lot layout and driveways really accommodate that?

I guess that's really what my concern is that it's will they back up onto the two roads that are out there.

Granted, they're not heavily traveled roads, but I I'm just a little concerned about the kind of the drop-off aspect of this.

So I will note that the boys and girls club is a completely different scenario because there are other uses at that site and the parking area is so much smaller.

Um the traffic study did take into account um parent uh or student pickup and drop off as well as uh faculty parking, and the applicant can speak to uh their operations plan if you have questions for them, and I can turn it over to Steven to further address that.

Okay, that's fine.

Uh looking at the looking at the staff report related to the traffic study.

Um could you walk me through because what you're talking about is turning the Northridge Drive Carmine into a four-way stop, as I understand the staff report, and code's gonna require them, or the municipal code is gonna require them to do half street improvements basically entire uh along their entire frontage.

That includes the church too.

I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for not I'm just trying to make sure I understand what what's gonna happen out there.

Stephen Pote with development engineering for the record, that's correct on the four-way stop at Carmine.

Um that's one of the intersections that was studied.

Um, and it does meet the warrant for um that four-way stop.

Actually, the frontage improvements are only going to be required along the project frontage.

Um, this was actually originally two parcels, and um they did a lot line deletion because they thought that it would help with the the process um at our recommendation, and that ended up not being the case.

Uh so to be fair, since it's just this project and it originally was one parcel we're only requiring the frontage improvements along the project itself okay so nothing then along lampa lane then there will be some on on lamp lane um but not not the entire frontage of the parcel along the church oh okay so it'll go part way down north lampa then correct yeah okay and uh that would just be road improvements because there is a sidewalk um so let's see what we spelled out yeah so there's uh full depth on lampalanus does not include the the sidewalk um there's crack repair on commerce way and crack repair and resurfacing on executive point okay thank you Mr.

Bozo thank you um on page excuse me um for the of the staff report the engineering division I I know what a building permit is and I know what a site improvement permit is can you tell me what the construction permit is and how it differs between the the site improvement and the building permit that that language is used kind of as a catch all uh because with a a commercial project um there are times where a site improvement permit will come first especially if there's multiple buildings um and then there's there's times where it will be one permit together so rather than saying building permit or site improvement permit we just say permit for construction okay thank you thank you uh second question um I propose two amendments um on the recommended conditions of approval just to throw it out there um one is on number two uh to include um in accordance with any site site plans additional language that says any building uh elevations and site plans and then on the um condition number 10 rather than cumulative student student enrollment um more specific language about the the census on site the census on site or the number of students on site as opposed to enrollment that way they can they can enroll as many kids but the number of kids on site has to cannot exceed the 330 that's a slippery slope.

Because if you say I've enrolled 300 I know that 20 of them are going to be absent every day.

I think it's easier to enforce the number of kids on site you can do that on inspection versus enrollment but that's just a suggestion.

Yeah I licensing both from a business license perspective and also from the state does go by student enrollment.

And and what was your suggestion on the first one?

Your first um including the building elevations that they've submitted oh okay all right any other questions for staff applicant is here.

Michael for the record uh there are 10 recommended uh conditions of approval and we may talk about one or two of them but are those these acceptable to you right now yes they are okay and if we added uh elevations to the the planes are number what two two yeah is that a problem we have no con concerns with that okay any questions other questions for the applicant?

Just for me just going back to the whole uh drop off aspect of things.

Um, and maybe it's a non-issue, but it just um it just concerns me that that's a lot of kids to be dropping off in a you know between seven and eight, seven and seven thirty or whenever the school starts.

So it's a lot of cars coming in.

Yeah, I guess what I would add to that is that I mean anyone's ever driven by a school, there is a short time frame where it's gonna be a little bit congested.

But as far as the site layout, we really tried to use the entire frontage.

Um if you look at the circulation, you have to come through that top parking lot, get to the far end, then you've got the entire frontage of the parcel before getting to the exit.

Um, in addition to that, through the traffic study and working with Steven, um one of the conditions is that it's gonna be right hand turn only out, which is really going to um increase how quickly cars are getting in and out of there, and it directs everyone on WAMPA up to the stoplight at College Parkway.

Oh, yeah, that would be a good thing.

Which is um which keeps it all at the um lighted intersection, not trying to turn left, go up executive point, and then getting stuck.

So those are kind of all the the thought that went into this layout being the most efficient for getting drop off.

Right.

Thank you.

Any other questions for the applicant?

Public comment.

Thank you, Denny French Carson City.

I appreciate the question about the uh drop off.

I was looking at the drive plan, and it looked like those areas were gonna be pretty stiff and uh where entrances are and such.

But I also have a question about the fact that they do have a gym facility and recreational areas, and that the parents might want to be involved in observation of games or sporting and such.

If they were planning that, then I don't think the parking is sufficient, and um as far as the traffic directional and and such, so that was a concern of mine.

Um it's in a floodplain, it doesn't s say it has any problems with fault lines, and it doesn't say it's doing anything about conserved area for the wetlands, and it hurts to see it, but it looks like it's been thought out with some consideration to the nature around it, and I appreciate that.

Um I can't say I'm against it, I just think that some of the parking issues and the the pathways that they're suggesting will create some difficulties.

Thank you.

The only thing that bothers me is that if we say 330 and they come back in six months, they say, you know, it's really 350.

You know, I'd I'd rather go high than low and let them be underneath it, but I don't know how we just have to take them at their word.

We do, and that was the reason that they requested the continuance is to really put some thought into what they want to grow into because their current enrollment numbers are much lower than this.

So this is considering growth.

Okay, all right.

Yes, sir.

Um just kind of following up on uh the public comment just a little bit.

Um, if you do have an event there at the school and you have all three hundred and thirty folks show up and parents can if for a short period of time since it's a public street, can uh can parents, for example, park on Commerce Way and Executive Point way as a public street, or is that forbidden?

If I could jump in on that one, Commissioner, the site is actually really well set up for that.

So it's on the same parcel as the church, which has a massive parking lot, and with the time frames of church being on Sundays, school events usually being weekdays, they have an entire spillover parking lot to use for any larger events.

Okay, any other comments, questions?

Any other public comment?

All right.

I don't want to hog the.

Oh, all right, okay.

I'll I'll do it.

Okay.

One of you do it one of them, just get it done.

I move to approve the special use permit based on the findings and subject to the conditions of approval contained in the staff report.

Oh, with the with the addition to condition number two with the uh added language of um building elevations.

Correct.

All second.

All right, any further discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, no.

Motion carries.

Good luck, guys.

Thank you, guys.

Yeah we've seen you before yes ready are you gonna announce the I guess all right staff reports director hope Sullivan yes okay again shout out to McKenzie who does the PowerPoints um so building valuation um so far this month we and again as of May 26th just shy of 14 million dollars in valuation from permitting total valuation year to date as of May 26th was 72 million um for the building vision we had 48 housing starts in May as of May 26th they were multifamily units we've had 133 total housing starts in 2026 as of May 26 um the historic resource commission looked at um in addition to a building and added parking on a property in North Curry that's the old able antiques building and they also looked at 1012 North Nevada Street for landscaping siding windows and doors there was a liquor hearing two liquor hearings in May the first one was a change of liquor manager at Stay Bridge Suites a new liquor license for Mountain Mike's pizza which is going where um Buffalo chicken wings was and the addition of catering to a liquor license for celery wine bar which is downtown celery is there and she's been asked to do some events so she wants the ability to do some catering and what that was approved all of those were approved.

On May 22nd there was a new liquor license issued to Lucky Break Lounge and Sports Bar which is where the old um what was it called the Whiskey Tavern on Highway 50 was so it will become sort of a sports bar.

Okay.

A new liquor manager for Daddies over at the mall and actually I think that might be South Carson Dotties and the entity holding the liquor license for the Federal Hotel changed.

There was an administrative permit review which that is like a special use permit but the hearings officer is authorized to issue that permit and that was for 60 square foot attached accessory dwelling unit over on Ponderosa.

You know what you did code enforcement we had 63 cases open this month and 103 closed we're also continuing to do a swing shift where the compliance officers doing proactive work on illegal street vendors.

Also we had 37 new business licenses issued in May for special events on May 30th will be the annual Rita Notaho Odyssey relay run adventure.

Also that day 80 years of Heart Hope and Home over at Eagle Valley Children's Home and the Capital City Brewfest downtown on Grace Street.

You need a ticket see me um upcoming other upcoming special events um in June will be the Nevada State Fair at Mills Park Crystals Crusade which is downtown over um trying to think what that telegraph I think it is Levitt Amps music series at brewery arts will start on June 20th and the Carson City Elks will be celebrating the country's 250th anniversary on June 27th.

Okay and then in terms of items for upcoming meetings and I need to apologize last month when I talked to you and you had a really long meeting I told you tonight would be really short only to like we're literally walking to the parking lot and I remembered growth management.

So I asked if we could start early.

So I'm sorry about that.

Um but I think next month we'll be light.

It's going to be a special use permit for a warehouse over at the public works building.

You had already approved that but it expired so they'll be coming back in.

You'll also have it happens a lot, doesn't it?

You'll have a special use permit for housing over on the property on coaches.

You've looked at a number of times and it's always been housing you've looked at it's kind of behind that shopping center and it's by Robotini and Willow and so are those streets down south on Coaches.

It's the west side of Coachese.

And so somebody will be in with a tentative subdivision map and with a special use permit to have a residential use on in non-residential zoning.

And that is what I have.

Okay.

Any comments um yeah I'd I'd like to if I could for a minute.

Um hope I I appreciated your uh presentation during the growth management commission.

I I really like the and I probably should compliment McKinsey too for putting that together.

Uh but I really like the way you went through the whole city.

A lot of infill stuff and that's what the master plan that's been the whole if you will growth plan for the community is that we're seeing all this on developed land inside the city being developed and I think in very positive ways.

So I think um I think things are kind of working the way that the plan is has emboldened the city to do go forward with so I I was excited to see that as a part of the growth management presentation.

I also appreciated the commercial side of that too because a lot of that was going on.

And one final thing is that um you know being a resident here in Carson City driving around the town has been challenging as as of late.

And um I I had a chance to talk to one Martell about that and I don't mean this in a negative way whatsoever.

It's just nice to see all the investment that's happening in this town and yeah it's a little frustrating sometimes especially along East Carson or not East Carson, yeah East William Street.

You know it it it seems like the pattern out there changes daily but good things are happening and um it's just exciting to see uh the growth in you know the the public works projects, the street projects, the the states coming in doing its thing it's um you know even though it's a little difficult to get around I I really do like what's happening in the city right now.

Jerry?

Commissioner Preston.

Um I'm gonna sit here and forget.

Couple things I saw that uh the city supervisors have gone ahead and made a special um position for Dan Yu.

So my question is is that gonna help title eighteen and get that done and just working on Title 171 isn't that my question you guys want me to stir stuff.

The other thing is is um the other question I have is uh it's more of a statement is that I think it's really important that we support those businesses on East there on East Williams.

They are suffering so bad and I am very afraid that a lot of them are not gonna make it and I hate to say that and it'd give them any kind of juju but anything you guys can do to help support them because the access um when I saw an access sign on John Street most people don't know who John Street is that's disappointing.

Um and there was one other thing.

I think that'll be it for right now because that's all I can remember this point.

Hope I was I was a little concerned tonight about our public comment from that lady.

And I don't know what we do about that but that should not happen.

People should be able to come to this body and and speak their mind and not be subject to that kind of and and I know it what we heard was one sided and there's a there's another side to the story but it it's just a little disturbing and I don't know what we can do about it.

But uh it just bothered me.

And that problem is I don't know you can that you can do anything about it I know.

Yeah you know I have to agree.

I was sympathetic to her.

That was uh pretty discouraging.

I mean, can code enforcement step in where she had made her claims.

Um but I think you're outside here purvy a little bit okay yeah.

Okay.

I'm I just I just I'm just want to make the comment and just leave it at that.

I think all you have to do is look at some of the meetings um in the Trucky Meadows.

And it's all three jurisdictions in the Trucky Meadows.

You know, when they started televising these meetings on on the access channels, you saw all kinds of people coming out and saying all kinds of things and really you can limit the time across the board, but you know, you have to have both at the beginning and the end, that three minutes where they can say anything and it doesn't have to be, it can't be on the things that I think the only thing we could have said is it's really not in our purview, and I think you've taken the correct steps.

But the problem is you really can't interrupt her until her three minutes are over.

I mean that's that's been my experience and Michaela I know it's probably the hell up.

All right, go ahead.

Commissioner Preston.

One thing I yeah, and this has to do with this, is that no longer is Spectrum actually broadcasting any of the public meetings.

And so they are not showing up.

If you are turned over to a Zumba box, there is no public channel at all.

And I was my understanding many years ago, I mean we were talking twenty-some years ago, that the contract with with Spectrum was that they would go ahead and actually it was something else at that time, but that they were supposed to televise these.

Okay.

Anything else?

One more thing.

I just want to touch on the growth thing with um utilities, power and gas.

Um all these subdivisions that are going in are those utilities planning on increased draw.

Actually, that's a really good question.

Um I have what's called I call it my land development round table every quarter, and I invite the utilities to that meeting.

And um they occasionally will say, Well, let's get together and I'll tell you what's in our queue so that you're ready for it.

So that's actually thank you for that reminder.

Well, and I think electric as well because they're invited but they don't attend.

They don't come.

They they don't show up.

Right, but we have some contacts there who we can we can contact.

And just from my past experience, a lot of times, even before they make application to the city, they're well in advanced discussions with both Sierra Pacific or uh Southwest Gas and NV Energy, because they have to draw those subdivisions in compliance with their regulations too, and they have to ensure that those loads or those those ability to carry that infrastructure out there is there.

Same thing with with streets and and roads.

Um so actually the the the utility side knows more about what's coming down the pipeline than than the actual jurisdictions do.

Yeah, gotcha.

I just know the EV cars are huge and a huge draw on on a on a uh on a panel.

Some people so the people can't put them in.

Yeah.

I had one final thing I wanted to comment on.

I don't know if you saw it in your in your bill utility bill, but um uh Carson City Utilities put out the twenty twenty-six um water quality report.

It's really well done.

It's a real easy read.

It gives you a a clear and concise explanation as to you know what they're doing and and how they're um how they're dealing with water quality um and their method of testing and and making sure that the water you drink meets the um standards.

So if you if you get a chance, take a look at it, it it.

It's a wealth of information and really well done.

Okay.

Anything else?

Public comment.

No.

Denny French Carson City.

First off, I I really do appreciate the board's consideration with that woman's concerns that um my thing is that I'm hoping that Hope and the crew are getting on things that if there's a consideration of a code being broken or a building permit not being done, that they would be able to assist her and myself in my situations.

But I also want to bring up the fact that you made me lose my train of thought.

That's terrible.

Is narrowing to certain cells and and if you buy into things then you can watch it.

But I even had trouble when I went to the Supreme Court library.

Not their computers.

The computers are working fine, but I can't listen to the audible.

They have a rule in there or something, so they're gonna work on figuring that out.

I had gone to this uh the library and they had other concerns, so I couldn't watch them.

So it is getting harder and harder for people that aren't plugged into a pay unit service to get the information, and I have appreciated the supervisors for years.

Well, for quite a while, they were printing up the whole agenda for me because they weren't allowed to just do specific concerns of mine, and um that was huge waste, I felt of their time and such, and and since I only use the portion that I was concerned about.

So as a person that's not plugged into all of this tech, but also a person that's keeping track of what's going on with this tech, you have uh all sorts of thefts and all sorts of different considerations of uh having things put on um where you have to pay a ransom and such like that.

And we just haven't really got a department here to keep an eye and this community updated on some of that, and I think it's very important as we're putting out information to make sure that it's getting to people, but also that our information is staying with you, and so I really appreciate having somebody keeping an eye on that because I have to dial in a lot of information to y'all just to be here, and so um as a little bit not I don't think I'm paranoid actually.

I think I'm just up to date on what's happening on some of those uh levels, and I appreciate y'all keeping track.

Thank you.

Okay.

Any other public comment?

Motion to adjourn.

There it is.

We're adjourned.

Thank you.