The supervisors to order.

Mr.

Hohen, may I have a roll call, please?

Supervisor Geomi, Supervisor White, Supervisor Horton, Supervisor Shooting.

Here, Mayor Bagwell.

Here.

You have your quorum.

Thank you so very much.

Well, I see the pastor is here.

Come on up and get us started for today.

God, as this meeting begins, uh, we are grateful for all of the hard work of everyone that makes this city an amazing place to live.

God, I pray that you would bless them, keep them all safe.

Lord, we pray that the Board of Supervisors would work with creativity, knowledge, wisdom, and God, we pray ultimately for the thriving of our city as we begin this meeting.

In Jesus' name I pray.

Amen.

Amen.

Thank you so much.

Uh, Mr.

U, would you do us the honor of leading us in the pledge?

My pleasure.

Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you so much.

Um, we're on opening public comment, and I just want to do uh a quick moment of silence for Marina works.

Right, July Ninth.

And so we'll just take a moment.

So I know.

Um, all right, for beginning public comment.

Um, it looks like I have uh hope.

Want to come up.

Because we had three additional businesses joined.

We now have twenty-six businesses participating.

So what this program is is twenty-six businesses have identified one question each.

And the only way to answer that question is to physically go to the business.

You can't Google the answer.

Um there are tons of prizes for folks who go to all 26 businesses.

The three businesses that were added, you get bonus um entries into the prizes.

City employees can participate.

I know my team said, Are we allowed to participate?

There's only three people who know the answers, including me.

So if you're not one of those three people, you can answer.

You can print out your answers if you'd like.

And um, the treasurer says you can drop off the answers either at my office or in the green mailbox on Plaza Street.

The prizes include things like Red Wing Shoes has provided gift certificates.

There's two meals at China East, Starbucks Coffee, um, free car washes at Surf Through.

The website for anyone interested is CarsonCity.gov slash walkabout William Street.

And again, we have extended the deadline.

So that's why I wanted to speak to you, and I encourage everyone to please support the businesses on William Street when construction is done, it's gonna be fantastic.

But during construction, it's really a challenge for the businesses.

It would be great if folks can get out there, visit them, and you can win some prizes.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Um I also have Jed Block that is signed up for beginning.

I don't know about everybody else, but I'm gonna walk and roll down Carson Street.

Um I just god, we live in a beautiful town.

And I've been doing some research, which is not shocking.

But many of you don't know that in 1966 there was something going on, but Murdoch's open, City Center Motel opened, the sheriff's office move, Carson Mall opened.

We had uh Governorsfield, thanks to Evelyn Palastro.

Um they took the parking off main or the diagonal parking off Main Street, 74, they took all the parking off.

Mayor Scribner was not happy, so we have diagonal parking on King, Proctor, Spear, so on.

Um I remember being here 52 years ago in 1974.

Uh one of my best friends is Dad Skipper Wall designed this building, and it was a dedication.

Um the Carson combined in 69 to 70 until 1970, our population went from 5800 and then encompassing the whole county to 17,000 people.

Who would have thought 54 years later that this pie in the sky thing that was way too big for 17,000 people would now have people standing out in the corridor?

I think it's uh I think we had a lot of forward-looking people.

We had the brewery arts center that opened um in that time.

We had the centennial of Carson City's anniversary.

I don't know what happened in the 80s when we had 23 32 vacant buildings and they started the redevelopment district.

But I think back in the 60s, there was a lot of forward thinking people.

I don't know how in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, that so many people became small-minded in this town and didn't want to look to growth or anything else.

And we've got a great town.

There are parking lots that are disappearing.

The VT shops, there's building there, there's activity.

We're looking towards the future.

And when you look at the the program this afternoon with the new city hall, that's called looking towards the future.

If I had been looking 10 years ago at where I was standing and what I was doing and everything that happened when the the crash hit, my business took an 80% hit.

I was strangled with, I thought I was doing great with a bunch of real estate.

I hang hung on.

I didn't file for bankruptcy.

I wrote it through.

And right now, except for the wheelchair, I'm doing amazingly well.

And this is just a thing that slows me down.

But anyway, thank you for your time.

It's always good to see you, and hopefully, maybe in the future we can have a boardroom where people don't have to stand out in the hall anymore.

Thank you.

Um Mr.

French, did you want opening?

Denny French, I'm just basically um sorry, Carson City.

Thank you, Mayor.

I'm getting my balance a little off to a tough start, so this is my practice run.

I have more to say later, but this is for uh social knowledge.

Remember that there's a new tick in town.

Also, watch out for the snakes and the fire hazard in areas.

Don't drive in areas and such.

Um, I know this is sort of a social impact deal.

Um, I'm with Judd.

I I think forward thinking is very important.

And um I'd like us to do that with consideration to communication.

We can all have ideas, but unless we get together and discuss things, we can't really accumulate a sense of the community.

And so I look towards having more interaction between our actions as a city and our actions with the public.

Should be one thing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And took a run at a wall mural and uh, you know, didn't didn't really it didn't really fit the room.

Um and so Glenn uh and I spoke and and uh he came up with an idea to to research some pictures.

So I want to acknowledge that because I think it's it's great.

Jed was just talking about history, and um I think it's so important to connect our past uh through our present and into our future.

And um this is a great way to do it.

These are really wonderful pictures.

We had a lot to look through, hundreds of pictures to look through.

But this is a great, in my mind, representation from uh from Stuart uh to the bicycles, the river, Capitol building, and of course the VNT.

So just want to thank you for that.

And uh, you know, at some point if you're uh interested, you want to go up and take a look, uh, feel free to do so.

But we have more coming, so that's the past.

Uh and uh, you know, a little teaser of the future, we're kind of looking at doing some uh more uh contemporary uh color pictures in the rest of the room.

So uh thank you.

Uh Glenn, uh Stephanie, uh those of you in the city who were uh on it.

So appreciate it.

Mr.

Martell.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you, Supervisor Gion.

We appreciate that recognition.

And just for the record, also uh would like to thank a part of the team.

Public works uh came in and hung those pictures for us.

And also would like to thank the Stewart Indian uh School Culture Center.

Uh they participated in helping select the picture of the school to the left, and also our state museum, Jen and her team down there uh gave us access to some of their files to pick the pictures.

So again, great team effort.

Thank you.

The most impressive thing may be the fact that they're hung perfectly, uh Darren.

And uh so I have a few at home.

If I could you know borrow some of your no, I can't do that.

But they it's there, it's nicely done.

Thank you.

Perfect.

Okay, I don't have anyone else.

Just okay.

Then we're gonna move on with the agenda, and we're gonna go to item 6a, which is our June 18th uh minutes.

Did I have any corrections or changes?

I'll accept a motion for approval.

I move to approve the board meeting minutes for the Kirsten City Board of Supervisors from the 18th of June 2026 as presented.

I have a motion and a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye, aye, any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Thank you.

Will you join me on the floor, please, and we'll do our length of service certificates.

It looks like we have a few more.

Are you sure you're old enough?

Yeah.

I was just that was my thought.

And three weeks, and you knew what you wanted to do.

Look at that.

Uh I dare ask.

That means she's young enough to say you could give us another four.

I'm gonna quit asking.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh Jessica's had a remarkable 20-year career with the city.

Uh, she's done some of the most uh stressful, challenging jobs that you can do for us.

She's been an emergency dispatcher.

Uh she was a patrol deputy uh for the Carson City Sheriff's Office under uh Sheriff Ken Furlong, talk about stressful.

Um she's been a uh juvenile probation officer, and now of course she's uh a deputy marshal with us, and she just does uh such a such a tremendous job.

I'm I'm pretty sure with her skill set, she could throw the robe on to excel at that too.

Uh but it's it's hard to pick out uh one particular skill with somebody who has such a wide range as Jessica, but what I know I appreciate and and all the judges appreciate is her uh work with jurors.

Um, you know, we we call in 90 people off the street on a Monday or Tuesday morning.

It's not their best day.

They'd rather be somewhere else doing something else.

Uh and they always walk away with a good experience, thanks thanks to Jessica and uh I'll also mention Sergeant uh Malai Gonzalez, but it's it's Jessica's day.

So we we do evaluations at the end of every jury trial, uh, and we can count on two things.

Number one, they're gonna complain about the chairs.

Uh, but the second thing we count on is they're gonna be just overflowing with compliments about Jessica and and the way that they were treated uh during during their service during that important service.

So uh it speaks well of us, speaks well of Jessica, speaks well of Carson City.

Uh she rotates, uh well, she pinch hits for all the judges, so every judge has a bunch of Jessica stories, but I wanted to share uh the my favorite.

Uh it was my first jury trial as a as a judge, and we had a difficult defendant.

Uh during pretrial hearings outside of the jury, he he would not shut up.

He would interrupt me, he would berate the prosecutor, he'd yell at his own attorney.

And I'm just going through in my mind, you know, how am I gonna control this guy when we have a jury?

And uh, you know, am I are we gonna put him in a different room with a live stream?

Uh, or am I gonna hold him in contempt and throw him in jail?

Uh and believe it or not, fun fact, uh, there is a statute that allows a judge to uh have a criminal defendant bound and gagged in the courtroom during the trial.

So I'm thinking that's a great way to end up on CNN staying up nights, just really stressed out about this.

Jessica comes to me the morning of the trial, uh, and I won't mention his name, but she says, I don't think you're gonna have to worry about Mr.

So and so.

I say, yeah, right.

What'd you do?

Sedate him.

Uh but I go in there and uh she's given him paper and crayons.

And that guy didn't say a peep during the entire trial.

He was an angel.

Um, and it just uh it was such a gentle, clever way to control a situation uh that that I'll just I'll never forget.

So we're really lucky to have somebody like Jessica with us, um, looking out for us, making sure everything's handled and it always is.

Uh and I know I speak on behalf of the entire courthouse when I say we really appreciate you, Jessica.

Thank you.

Can we talk into six?

Oh, no.

Gosh, she she just knows exactly where she's going, right?

Okay, how about with 20 years, Sergeant Tucker?

Woo-hoo.

This is pretty good.

Thank you so much for your service.

It is so appreciated.

Maybe he has a few words.

Let's see how long I can talk.

I hired you first.

I found you.

And then Allie stole her.

Morgan, congratulations.

Morgan's a fantastic leader in the sheriff's office, has been for gosh, 20 years now.

My lord.

Um did a fantastic job.

Yes, that's exactly.

So many of our folks came from that line of the reserves and come on to the full-time staff.

Morgan's a pleasure to work for.

Um, what a tremendous leader he is.

Um, phenomenal gentleman.

Um, Morgan, I could not congratulate you, or thank you more.

I appreciate it.

That's how you do it.

Sure.

There's a little competition going on here.

How about with five years of service?

Brittany Bowman, our mental health counselor.

Oh Lord.

This one is special.

Um because she's a special person.

Um Brittany is part of our mobile outreach teams.

Uh we have a number of them uh in the city, uh, three that we're that we work with.

But Brittany is special because Brittany is a city employee.

We work with other agencies and contract and services and agreements, but Brittany is our own child.

And and so she is special to this board in our in our appreciation for what she does.

The the one thing that is most fantastic about Brittany is I don't care what your mood is, she has a smile on her face, a laughter that is just so I'm gonna use the word infectious, just goes.

Britney not only worked with the most team, but she worked with our crisis teams.

She's uh she stands ready around the clock to engage in anything.

Um Brittany, you're just you're a fantastic add-on.

Thanks.

Thanks to the board.

Um amazing, absolutely an amazing young lady.

Um, and and now your speech.

Thank you.

He wasn't kidding when he said she was infectious.

Hey, greatly, come on down here.

All right.

Now I just can't even believe this one's 15 years.

It's like, wow.

Suzanne Crawford, 15 years.

I uh and I did you steal her?

I think there was a little, I think there's lots of stealing going on in the city, right?

When you see good employees, you you just have to snatch them away from others, but she's currently yours.

She's mine.

Oh I heard that one.

So some of you may not realize, but three years ago this month, the Board of Supervisors made the public defender's office.

My staff is here if you'll stand up.

Most of us started July 1st of that year.

Suzanne, however, was still over at the DA's office working for Jason.

And I can tell you from personal experience, having been in court a thousand times, that Suzanne was beyond belief ability to communicate with people of all socioeconomic groups.

She was the victim coordinator for 14 years under Jason's toolage.

Then, for whatever reason, we had a vacancy, and she applied to our office, and she brought that same vivacious personality from the DA's office and taking care of the victims, taking care of my staff, taking care of my clients, taking care of me.

She is an integral part.

She is the light at the end of the tunnel when we walk back in from court having gotten our ass kicked in Jason's courtroom by Tyson in his group, right?

She's got, like the sheriff said, she's got that infectious smile.

She never had a bad day that I've known in the six years I've known her.

So I am very, very thankful.

I'm thankful for Jessica too, because she saved my ass once or twice, too.

The point is that this is all a team.

Okay.

All of you are part of the city.

All of you report to you.

We all report to you.

And we all thank you, and we thank Suzanne and the other people that have paved the way for us for the future.

Suzanne, thank you.

And I'll keep it short, Sheriff.

Don't worry.

But I could go on and on about Suzanne.

She will she's will absolutely run through a brick wall to help people, to help victims for 14 years.

Uh, we had a trial in Washoe County.

I got appointed as a as a special prosecutor there, and Suzanne was there with me.

And the the best trial advice I ever got was on the 30-minute trip each morning heading into court.

She's just perceptive, she knows the system, and uh she's a she's a special person.

See, does this inspire those listening to know they should join the Carson City team?

Uh we got a great recruiter, Jeff.

See him.

Okay.

With 10 years, Corey Moore, a senior fleet services technician.

There's another one that always has a smile, and I just got to tell you how much I enjoy it.

Appreciate you.

Thank you.

I got 22 years in prayers, though, so it won't be much longer.

I gotta take that compliment back.

I was really buttering you up.

I was trying.

Corey, don't go anywhere.

As you can tell, he is very, very honest, Mayor.

Uh you get what you're saying.

Yeah, we won't go on too long.

Corey is a familiar, uh, a great, great asset for us.

Um, the thing about him is no matter what type of equipment vehicle is coming across the floor there.

Um, Corey is able to work on it, do a great job of it.

He's now involved with specing out the new vehicles that we order to make sure that we get the right thing.

Um, shows up to work every day, works hard, and has a smile on and does so much for us.

We're very, very thankful.

Congratulations, Corey.

Thank you.

Okay, and Karen, I might not get this right.

Caloza.

My close.

Maybe.

I tried.

Thank you so much.

How much more do you have in PERS already?

Oh no, I don't have a lot of PRS.

Oh, I got a long time left here.

Oh, oh, much better answer.

Much better.

This says five, so 25.

Oh, there you go.

We're playing that one out of all of them.

Yeah, we'll we'll be lucky if we can keep Karen here.

She uh works on our engineering division.

Um, does a great job for us as an engineer?

Um, really pays attention to detail.

Nothing gets out of her office away from her desk unless it is perfect.

Um, when that comes to public safety and designing projects, um, that's very important, obviously.

So uh she does a great job of really paying attention to that.

The other thing we really like about her is if if the project, if there's something that's just not quite complete about it, it's it's not.

She just stays on it and and she will not release it until it's a complete project.

Everything is right.

So we really appreciate that about Karen.

So congratulations.

Thank you, Karen.

The hanging?

Is that your handiwork?

Well done.

Oh, but there you go.

All right.

Now, how about last but not least, Franklin Lamosos?

Uh I didn't get that one right either.

Lamaso.

A park maintenance worker.

Five years.

Five years.

You gonna 20 more?

15.

Hopefully not.

I like hopefully on the front end of that comment.

Thank you so much for all of you.

All right, Frank.

I got some cheat sheets because I'm not a good speaker like these guys that are up here every week.

Um Frank actually um started with us in 2010 as a seasonal.

So Frank had nine out of the next 11 years as seasonal employment.

I think you took a couple years off for fishing.

I think that was literally what what you did.

Yeah.

Um Frank, Frank, um, Frank's like one of the last of the Mohicans for me.

When I came 14 years ago, I think there's only besides Navarro, there's only two others uh that are left, you know, out of all of us.

Uh Frank became full-time five years ago.

Um, but Frank is he's our behind the scenes guy.

Um and it it's it couldn't be more true.

Alana's looking for him.

I don't know where Frank is.

There's a guy with no hat next to Jen.

I think that's him.

Frank, Frank is the guy that always is behind the scenes, gets things done.

Um I've spent Saturday evenings after Taste of Downtown listening to a somewhat decent Beatles cover band with Frank playing longer than they needed to so that we could wait to unplug, pack up everything and get everything out, etc.

Frank has that patience.

Frank provides that service with just a personal dedication to this community, and that's he cares.

And that's it shows every day.

And we appreciate that, Frank.

Um, I learned a lot from Frank, his institutional knowledge.

So as a seasonal, Frank was teaching me the ropes and showing me where things were, how things went, how things are particular.

So when you guys come out of City Hall, that's Frank.

Um, you know, when Frank's not here because his shoulder's out, then his other shoulder goes out.

That's why City Hall kind of gets shambled because we got to go some so somebody somebody else how Frank does it.

You know, so Frank's kind of paved the way for a lot of these guys in setting the bar, and we appreciate that, Frank.

So besides that, Frank, you know, spends a lot of time rooting for really poor choice and athletic teams with the Raiders with the Raiders and the A's, um, the two homeless teams that finally are ending up in Vegas in Nevada.

So good for you, Frank.

So in the next years, as you move on and have a lot more free time, maybe instead of fishing, you can now go down to Vegas and enjoy that stuff.

So thank you, Frank.

Oh, if we have some family friends, co-workers that want to come and join the picture.

Maybe the whole, I'm not sure if it's easier for us to turn around versus you, but you can fill up the back too.

Look at this.

Nothing more exciting.

How are you doing?

Hi, Becky.

This is fantastic.

Five boxes.

Five.

Five bucks.

There it is.

I'll do it for two.

Oh, you can do it, Deanna.

Come on, show us.

Thank you all.

Give you just a moment.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm telling you.

Vision is a hard one.

I just have to live.

Those are some great letters.

I was like, it only took me an hour and a half to write my own.

It's like you think about it.

I wish I wish we could make it look more historic.

Victorian.

But that costs even more often.

Right.

And the fact that we're going to do that.

And a couple of snacks.

At least chunks of sandstone.

I'm gonna try as hard as I can to get there.

We'll see how the day but that's our intent.

That was a great crowd.

I thought you knew everything.

Okay, we're gonna continue on with our agenda.

We're ready for the consent agenda item eleven A and eleven C will be pulled for discussion.

I didn't have any other requests, so Supervisor Giomi, the consent agenda, please.

We move to approve the consent agenda consisting of item eight A, nine, eight, ten A, eleven B, eleven D, and twelve A, all as presented.

Second.

Motion in a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Okay, we're gonna go on to agenda item eleven A.

This is uh possible action on a water line easement.

Um with Silver Oak and on Garth Richards Boulevard.

Um Robert, who's gonna take us through this one?

There you go.

Hiding in the corner.

There's a lot of people there.

And and good morning, Naudre.

Good morning, Mayor.

Uh board members, Robert Nellis for the record.

With me is Audrey Link.

We're happy to answer any questions the board may have on this waterline easy.

It's it just uh it's a normal process that happens when we have development.

Why are we doing it?

Just the the highlight of a why.

Do you want to take that?

Morning board, Madam Mayor Audrey Link for the record.

Um so Silver Oak apartments, there's going to be town homes that are going to be built in that area.

Um this is part of the plan.

And that came to me from the planning engineering division.

So we have to permit the public use and the waterline easement in order for building to continue in the normal pathway that's we anticipated.

I just think again, it's just important that the public understands a why behind something.

So it's like, why are you moving this property around or giving people permission to to do things?

So thank you.

Um Supervisor White.

Thank you.

Uh I asked for this to be pulled uh from the consent agenda strictly based on uh my previous no vote uh not being able to make 15 of the findings, and so I will maintain my consistency on that today.

Anyone else have any questions?

Any public comment on this item?

A motion, please.

Supervisor Horton.

Uh move to accept I move to approve the acceptance of the easement as presented.

I second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

No.

Please let the record reflect there were four yeses and one no by supervisor white.

Thank you.

Um let's go to agenda item 11C on the next uh easement with uh Stewart Indian School at a no cost to perform long-term maintenance.

This one's a little bit little bit different, right?

Than a standard development agreement or things that we're working on.

Can you explain to us the rationale of why should the city take on they're gonna give it to us at no cost, but then we have to maintain it as it currently stands, they're maintaining it, correct?

The why again giving it away.

Yeah, so this is down at the uh Stewart Indian facility there, um, and they had a private water system for many years that uh served that area, and that that water system failed or was failing, and so we agreed as the city and the water purveyor here in Carson City that if they if they built the system a new system to our standards, we would connect to our water line and we would serve them water like we do everybody else.

So they did that, they followed through on that, they built it, they constructed it to our standards, we inspected it, and then um we connected to our system, and so they get built like every other customer in Carson City.

So what's before you today is just to because it's a it's a standalone property, this is easement around what they built so that we can maintain it going forward.

So they've been connected for several years.

But we transfer maintenance to us instead of them retaining it.

Why?

Because the the water system in Carson City is licensed to us as operators.

Nobody else touches our system.

We're responsible for it.

So once they connect in is what you're saying, then you've inspected it, yeah, it become it's like ours.

Absolutely.

Okay.

This is really no different than uh ABC development somewhere.

Uh they they put in five, ten homes, they build a water line, and they connect the water line to our pipe, and there's no difference.

Okay.

Supervisor White, question?

Thank you.

Um the comment on page 122 that this is consistent with city policy.

I'm I'm having a little trouble following that in regards to ordinarily uh when we take on these systems, we own the system, and we also own the streets.

And so as I read this, uh, for instance, like on page uh 127, it says that uh any maintenance uh must be approved uh by the division of state lands.

Um then on a page uh 131, it says the entire agreement uh is simply uh for uh maintenance.

And so it appears to me the state actually owns the water system, but we would be responsible to maintain it.

Is that accurate uh no?

That was not the intent.

We own the water system and we maintain it.

So we do have other situations like this that have come before this board where um, for instance, a development they want to put a gate up in front, and it's private.

So they own the HOA owns the streets, the sidewalks, all of that stuff, but we as a utility serve them water or wastewater.

So very similar to this, they build it, we inspect it to our standards, we own it, and then they have to give us easements so that we can work on it.

So it's not unusual that we do this.

It is unusual where it's another government agency that we're serving.

Um I would remind this board that in the past with other developments, I have made this very suggestion in regards to street maintenance that uh we do not accept the dedication of the streets, but we would take the infrastructure underneath.

Um this board has rejected that idea that we would be maintaining utilities below somebody else's pavement.

On more than one occasion, this board has rejected that idea.

Um I don't know how well let me ask you this.

What what's the value of this asset?

Probably um couple, maybe one and a half million dollars, one to one and a half million dollars.

I don't know, it was built quite a while ago, but it's built quite a while ago.

I mean a ten years maybe it's my understanding that staff has the latitude generally to make decisions up to fifty thousand dollars.

I don't know how this idea has been percolating around for a number of years, at least five years on a million-dollar decision that this board has never seen.

I don't know how I don't know how we do this today.

Can I ask the question?

Yeah, um supervisor.

Darren, uh what's happened since it was installed to now?

I mean, why why has it taken eight to ten years to get to this point and what have we been doing?

And it's now yeah, let me correct that.

I think it's closer to six to eight years, give or take.

That's much better.

Um but still not.

Yeah, we're it's it's um it's our um uh let me find a word here.

Um we've struggled to uh work with this division of the state in terms of easements and transferring things back and forth.

So it's a timely process.

So when we connected, we have been responsible for that system providing water, and if any maintenance needed done, we just went and did it.

Right.

So um, so it's more uh an issue of uh us trying to make it happen over the last six to eight years and running into some issues at the state.

Correct.

And uh having worked with the state um when I wore a different hat and worked for the city, I can I can understand that.

So the value that you speak of um was essentially an asset that was given to us by the state because we didn't pay for it.

Right.

So the million dollars was not our expenditure, right?

Yeah, we know the state expenditure.

Yeah, we didn't spend any money on the state.

So we received an asset correct from the state.

Correct of a million dollars.

Correct.

Okay.

Well I'm working with uh hopefully we can come up with an idea on uh on helping us with the state.

Uh because we're looking at some legislation that that we're gonna try and um go through because ultimately um and I'll just stand on the soapbox for a minute.

Um, the land that the state owns ultimately is not owned by the state any more than the land that we own is owned by us as a as an entity.

It's owned by the constituency, it's owned by the people who live in the state.

And it's the same people.

The people that the state represent are the people that we represent.

And the land that the state owns is the land of the people, just as our I mean I'm not trying to sound too high horses, but it's it's just that simple to me.

And I really don't understand why the state um struggles to to comprehend that we're serving the same citizenry, we're serving the same community.

Um, and they continue to cause problems for those of us who deliver the service to the people at the closest level.

So off the soapbox.

Supervisor White.

Uh one more question that just now came to mind very recently.

The BIA has built a uh new housing project down there right across the street from the Stewart Indian school.

So I'm wondering are we being put in a position that that we take ownership of that water system, but not the roads.

Yes, that new that new work that's done along Snyder, those houses.

Yeah, we those houses are being served by Carson City Water.

That's right.

Right.

Do so last the the last I remember our water main went to the property line, and BIA was gonna own everything else within that housing project.

Is that not true?

Um my recollection is that we own the water system um and maintain it just similar to other um parts of town that are that are owned by the by the colony, that sort of stuff.

We manage and maintain the utility systems.

So I can double check that down there.

I I don't expect it to be any different, but that's my understanding.

I think you should check on that because that seems like that was one of the things that concerned me to begin with.

Okay.

It it would be you can't you can't run or maintain or operate a water system in the state without you you have to have license and operators, and there's a whole thing.

So most people want nothing to do with that.

So um I I know for a fact that the that the tribe doesn't do that, they don't operate their own systems.

So the particulars to some of your questions I don't have today.

Okay.

Thank you.

So what's what's the what if we don't approve this?

What happens?

Um, then basically, if you know something, a pipe fails or something, we don't have a right to go work on it because it's not our land.

But um I mean, we probably would anyway, right?

Well, I I guess that's really what my question is.

It's we we've probably been doing it, and this is actually the formalizing of the agreement.

I think it's important, right?

It it's not that they did it six years ago and suddenly they're hoisting a cost on to us.

It's all along we knew they had a failed water system that they had to update.

And and we've been uh a partner piece of that with the will serve for for water to it from the beginning.

Absolutely, and so it's um a paperwork trail, and what I want to do is is kind of just make sure it's what we would be doing anyway.

I'm not accepting some state liability.

No, no, no.

And and that's that's what's important to me.

And I think Supervisor Giomi said it right.

I've been working really hard with the governor's team on what I call shared constituency.

And it's like, why do we have to struggle so much and why does it take five, six, seven, eight, ten years for us to resolve land issues with the state.

And this is a good example of why are we here six or seven years later.

It should have been dealt with a little bit quicker, but I'll just say that a little bit quicker that we deal with.

Yes, Supervisor Horton.

The easement simply provides us a right instant or quicker access in order to make a repair or to maintain the system as we need to.

It doesn't commit us to anything other than that.

And quite honestly, we have them all over the place.

This is this is not uncommon at all.

Uh it's it's the right thing to do in that circumstance.

And if you don't have the easement, that works too.

It's just a thousand times more difficult to access the facility because you have to go through all the red tape while they're out of water, while nobody's comfortable about it, right?

Makes it a big pain in the rear.

The easement simplifies it.

And it's not like we're gonna go in there and maintain all of their roads, their flower beds, whatever's in the way, curb gutter, and all that.

This just gives us the right to access it so we can maintenance it, repair it, put it back together, pat our hole and move along.

A simple thing.

Water flowing.

Yeah, I mean the item that you heard before this.

This are really almost the same.

Uh I mean, one's the colony and one's a developer, but in terms of what we're doing here, they're the same thing.

Well, and I will say this years ago, I probably predates most people in here.

We did this exact same thing right in the middle of town.

Um the state had their own water system right through the middle of Carson.

And it we connected it to the city system, and it became ours.

Um, and I mean that happened in the 80s.

So uh we have done this before.

Perfect.

Okay, is there any public comment on this item?

Then I'll bring it up for a motion.

Supervisor Gio.

Move to approve acceptance of the easement is presented.

I second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, say no.

No.

Let the record reflect it was four yeses and one no by Supervisor White.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Okay, we're now on to agenda item 14A.

And I saw my friend Bob Lucy in the uh in the house, yeah.

Get in the hot seat, Bob.

Come on up.

All right, and then we and Cameron.

All right, so agenda item 14A for those.

Uh turn your mic on there, Bob.

There we go.

Can you hear me now?

Yeah.

Marvelous.

Look at that.

As if you needed me to have a louder voice.

Um, good morning.

Um, Madam Mayor, uh supervisors, it is an honor to be here with you this morning.

Um as a former and recovering elected official.

And I'm glad that you allowed me to come down from Washoe County to be part of the meeting this morning.

Um, it's a privilege to be here with you.

My name is Bob Lucy.

I am the senior advisor for the Porter Group, um, which is your federal representation in Washington, DC.

Um, I want to take a moment really quick.

Um, Supervisor Giommi brought up the point this morning of how important our heritage is and and what it means to uh a community.

Um I don't think people realize how important a local government really truly is.

It's just really where the work happens.

This is where most of the minuscule things that people think that just are day-to-day things that go on really happen.

And it was a delight to see how enthusiastic your staff is about supporting this community and continuing to serve long into their careers and being part of something that is so amazing.

You know, uh the state of Nevada was founded by pioneers with a vision of uh prosperity and growth.

And when we look back over our heritage, especially this year, uh the 250th year of our uh birthday of our our country, we still celebrate our heritage and we still celebrate all the amazing things that we can accomplish as not only a country, but as a state and as a local community.

And I think it is prudent to point that out because your continued service, and I want to thank all of you for your continued service because it takes a lot to sit on this board and participate.

And so with that, um, I think what you do on a day-to-day basis and the vision and to maintain the heritage, but also look forward to the future and future growth and how that is going to impact and how you guys are going to be able to deliver um future benefits to for generations to come, uh, is something to be pointed out.

So I want to thank you all for that this morning.

So, first and foremost, uh I want to take you over a quick Porter Group uh overview of maybe hit it like five more times in the board.

There we go.

Just start handing it.

Cameron Cameron will just we'll he'll get out to work.

Um for those of you who do not know the Porter Group, we are a bipartisan strategic consulting group and advocacy and lobbying firm within Washington DC.

Um, but we are based uh in Washington, DC with Nevada roots.

Congressman Porter is uh was a representative for the state of Nevada in District One.

Um that represented the southern Nevada portion of the state uh for many years.

Um, but that over the time he before that, prior to that, he was a mayor of Boulder City, he was a state senator, he participated in a number of local government issues.

So, from a standpoint of an agency that understands the community, the Porter Group is probably firmly sounded in that understanding.

And I would probably be the second iteration of that, being that I am a local and fifth generation Nevada and happy to be here.

As I told many of you this morning, I believe Silver and Blue.

It is my home state, and I I continue to love and serve and make sure that we represent you at the best of capacities here, not only in Nevada, but also in Washington, DC.

So next, um, I want to kind of provide to you kind of the services that we provide for all of our clients, especially local and municipal clients.

Um transportation and infrastructure is a main focus for many of our uh staff members.

Federal grants and appropriations is a major uh resource that we provide to Carson City.

Um, also public lands and federal lands management, education and workforce, disability policy, technology, defense, travel and tourism, gaming and lotteries, um, Capitol Hill fly-ins, which many of you have uh had the opportunity to participate in and and see firsthand, um, association management and then uh um events in business development ultimately, which as a strategic partner helped divide not only help local governments and government uh federal agencies, but private agencies understand strategic plans and how we can make those work together as one.

I want to introduce you to now our our Porter Group senior staff who are the individuals that uh consistently oversee um Carson City's operations at the federal level.

We have Congressman John C.

Porter, who I mentioned, um, who is our president and CEO.

Uh the next generation of the Porter team is uh Chris Porter Jr., uh, who is the uh managing partner along with his father at the firm.

Um Stephanie Walker is our senior vice president.

She served in Congressman Amade's office in many years on the Hill and has a unique experience around uh health care, education, workforce development, um, and many legislative issues.

Benjamin Rosenbaum is also our vice president who serves um uh who served um as a legislative director for Congressman Dina Titus from Southern Nevada and has a year years of experience between uh transportation and development and infrastructure and a lot of different uh aspects to workforce and also education as well.

Our newest addition to the team, who some of you have not yet met, um, is Bradley Solyan.

He's our director of federal affairs.

He has come to us from Congresswoman Lois Frankel from the uh district down in uh Florida.

Um he has 14 years on the on the hill serving uh under uh Congresswoman Frankel, doing solely appropriations for her office and has a wide range of understanding about federal uh the federal appropriations process and also the um congressional districts funding um projects.

And then myself, uh Bob Lucy is your director of policy and advocacy.

Um and I, you know, I could spend all day on how cool I am, but I will I'll uh refrain from that and allow you will be.

Is that your high school picture?

Oh Stacey, I'm not gonna take that, you know, I'm gonna just move on.

I'm still very young.

It's you caused a lot of this gray, I want to point out.

Um, so I wanted to move into the the first uh really uh topic of of importance that I feel is prudent for you and um for this board and for many of the staff members that have worked on it.

The Carson City Public Lands Correction Act.

Um this when we drafted this uh last week and submitted this to staff for your approval.

Um this was the information we had at the time in regards to the where we are.

Currently, the bat the bill has passed out of committee as of March 20 uh 2026.

Um Senator Rosen is currently waiting, uh awaiting a CBO or Congressional Budget Office score, which determines the cost of the bill and is required for them to procedurally move this bill forward basically as a rapid fire vote versus uh having it to go to a floor discussion, um, which gives us more of a streamlined process to hopefully um approve this by the end of this Congress.

Um this speeds up that consideration, and that hopefully the bill will pass without any Florida debate and or any objection by as long as the other senators and then current concurrently working with Congressman Amade's office will be ready to push this bill through the House as soon as it passes through the Senate.

Um, one update I do want to provide for you that I just got about five minutes ago is that a northern element the Northern Nevada Lands Bill, which is separate from the Carson City Public Land Correction Act, uh which has been carried by Congressman Amade, did pass out of Natural Resources Committee yesterday, which is fantastic, which is another um huge win for Carson City because there are pieces of Carson City and Fernley within that Northern Nevada Lands bill as well.

So hopefully by the end of this Congress, we'll have some major uh wins as it pertains to public lands management and our correction act by the end of this Congress.

You're on the record, Bob.

Um I'm working hard for you.

I'm working hard for you.

I promise.

All right.

So some other major federal news that I wanted to uh as I just brought up is the uh Northern Nevada Lands Bill.

This is important for Congressman Amade prior to his retirement.

Um as we heard this morning, there has been major move forward on his bill, which is fantastic.

Um, and hopefully we will see either that be streamlined with Speaker Johnson and and basically hotline the same as the Carson uh public corrections act would be as well, um just on the House side.

Um some other things that are been a hot topic for individuals to discuss within there is obviously the Republicans have used the reconciliation process to fund um ICE and border control portions of the Department of Homeland Security budget uh through the end of the president's term.

Um the other parts of the DHS bill will continue to be debated and funded through the regular yearly appropriation process.

However, since uh this has never been done, there are some procedural questions on how the appropriations committee will work through these bills uh through uh 2028, which is its currently funded uh funding process.

Um there are discussions around a third reconciliation bill that would be focused on efficiency combined uh combating uh fraud and waste.

Um we have seen this um in the second term of President Trump, and how he has been very, very um diligent about focusing on government waste and how we can and and through processes of the government efficiency or otherwise known as DOGE to move and make some significant changes at the federal level.

Also, housing and energy permitting for reforms that would um allow for quicker permitting um and reduce some of the uh NEPA requirements as it pertains to public lands transfers, um, any easements through those areas and whatnot for energy permitting, as we've also heard massively around the country, some major issues around data centers and that local governments are taking up as it pertains to that.

Um and I do want to point out that NACO and the uh NACO and also um NNDA are working to put together a forum around data centers to be that I'm sure that many of the supervisors have been invited to that will occur, I believe, next month.

Um, but please check your emails and and I'll get some information to Cameron around that.

I just had a conversation with NDA about that the other day.

Next is the 24th century, uh 21st century Road to Housing Act.

This became law on July 11th.

Even though the president himself did not sign the bill procedurally, um they have he has 10 days to sign the bill once it is presented to him on his desk.

Uh he neglected to sign the bill, but if he does not sign it or veto it, it does automatically move into law, which is what occurred on July 11th.

Um there is a uh this is a broad bipartisan housing package aimed at addressing some of the affordable housing issues that we are seeing occur uh across the country with housing shortages and increasing prices due to inflation and uh and uh growing housing need um um network of uh of issues.

So this bill includes 56 provisions related to housing supply, manufactured housing, uh mortgage financing, rural housing, veteran housing, and community banks, which will allow for different challenges in different communities to utilize different portions of this policy to make uh affordable housing truly a uh a realism within your a realistic understanding within your community.

So one of the big features for uh of this bill is there is a 200 million dollars a year now will go into a competitive grant process uh called the innovation fund that can be used for um not only housing but also infrastructure projects, as we spoke about uh earlier this morning that you had on your agenda to help uh continue to move cities and municipalities forward um as they and counties um as these issues and continue to arise.

Mayor, may I ask a question?

Um Bob, on on that note, and um I I guess have you heard any thoughts on how that might practically flow down to local governments.

And and if you don't have the answer now, maybe that'd be something you can no, I I actually brought a briefing this morning in regards to that.

No, I I actually brought a briefing this morning in regards to that.

Now there are like as I said, there are 56 different provisions within this bill.

Um it's HR 6644.

Um and these policies, you know, so there will be uh no direct uh zoning uh preemption.

Um there will be CDBG Um CDBG funding.

Um there will be uh CDBG and home will get more flexible, allowing the new construction and uh uh new construction eligible, infrastructure adjacent spending allowed, and it's also more conditioned to local housing production.

Okay.

Um the environmental review will be substance uh substantially uh streamlined uh for smaller scale developments uh and in fill housing that will be uh financed through HUD, CDBG, and home.

Um there will be an increase to the CDBG disaster relief fund that has a three year sunset.

Um they will homelessness systems will there will be more funding for homelessness systems, manufacturing housing will get uh federal prior uh federal parity push as they continue to um allow for more of those that uh will um be very helpful to some of our rural communities.

Um it's a first of its kind federal cap on corporate single housing uh uh single family home buying.

So no longer purchasing for uh major corporations of VRBOs.

Um there will be some restrictions on that.

So um inventory within communities may not be gobbled up, which will drive uh the economic challenges for that.

So there are some major challenges, and I can send uh what I'll do is I will send the briefing over to Cameron and have him distribute it.

It's uh about 10 pages that you can read through.

It has some details both around incentives for affordable housing, uh, which is what I spoke about, which is the innovation fund, changes to regulation and uh uh regulations and building and municipal codes for enforcement.

Um so there will be some changes there, land use policy and zoning.

Uh there will be changes in those with this with this law, homelessness programs, which I spoke to, um, and then changes to federal programs that fund state and local governments.

We'll also see increases in their ability to uh go after CDBG funding and grant opportunities to help relieve some of that stress is that uh you find yourself in when in during budget season uh for infrastructure needs.

Um as I spoke to the manufacturer uh uh manufactured housing, uh then and then you have issues uh then you have provisions around lending and appraisals um for um community banks and um and smaller banks to have uh smaller dollar and uh loan initiatives that they can uh proceed with.

So there will be some uh definite direct benefit.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

All right, let me move back to my slide here.

So I want to go to now some of the the good news, the successes that we have been able to procure since our representation of Carson City.

Now I can't take credit for all of these prior to my my uh tenure with the Porter Group.

But um as you can see, um this is uh just a quick slide showing you of the CPFs that we have requested over the years from fiscal year 24 uh on through um starting that should be I'm sorry, the bottom side should be fiscal year 2022, not 2024.

So 2022 through 2027.

Um these are the awards that we have received uh to the tune of 15,811,000 directly to Carson City for your benefit.

Um this year, we in the fiscal year 27, we have applied for um three CPS fundings, all three were approved and are moving forward um in this year's uh budgetary bill and will be going through appropriations.

Um the mobile command vehicle uh to the tune of one point um 1.8 million or 1.1 million eighty-five thousand.

Um you've got your community center renovations, which we are currently sitting in to improve that it has for a million dollars that has been included in the House THUD bill, and the senators have selected the above projects as well, and um also as well as the HHS elevator replacement for consideration as well.

Um so all three have um uh all three requests have been um honored and are moving through the appropriations process and come November, December.

Hopefully, we will know where we sit through the appropriations process and come back to staff uh with those award notices and let you know.

And then by next July, we'll have that funding for available for Carson City.

And with that, that concludes my presentation.

And I want to thank you for allowing me to come and present to you today and be part of this wonderful organization with Porter Group, but also part of as your representative of Carson City.

I feel like this is a second home for me, being that you are my closest neighbor to where I live.

I feel I'm halfway between there and Reno.

So I I love being down here and being with you.

And I've had the honor to serve with many of you, and I I really appreciate the opportunity.

So I'm open for any questions you may have about the presentation or what we can do going forward for you as a Porter Group.

Great.

Does anyone have any questions or comments?

You know, um, Bob, could you could you look over that last six years of those appropriations as to what other states or governmental entities received and see if there's any um common things that they tend to like, I don't want to say fly through, but do well in getting funded to see if there's opportunities we might have to grab on to something we didn't think to ask for a federal appropriate.

Absolutely.

And so, Mayor Bagwell, I would like to point out that every year the CPF uh process, since they've done away with the old old ways of congressional earmarks, this new process is that there are many, there are a few different funds that are do well.

Um, and it depends on whether they're within the House or the Senate.

For example, DOJ and uh THUD does very well in the Senate infrastructure, uh Department of Transportation does well in uh uh THUD is transportation, housing, and urban development.

You have commerce, you have uh you have um a number of different um different bills or uh accounts that we can go and procure funding through.

Um now every year the Congress does change the rules.

We will get usually we get guidance around um March or April uh from the congressional office about how many counts are available, what those funds will be.

This year they did change um the ask uh previous years uh congressional members had the opportunity to ask for up to 40 different projects within their district.

This year it was restricted down to 20 projects.

Um the senators in years past had up to 90 abilities uh for 90 projects each within the state that has been restricted down to 75.

Um and certain but certain projects um certain uh but certain uh accounts such as um commerce, um uh homelessness uh uh um housing and urban development, um, those all um education all were very limited and have difficult challenges in regards to passing through um correctional services obviously have challenges.

Um public safety is always a uh one that is of prudence to Congress and it usually does well.

Uh infrastructure and you know, structural projects, things tangible uh are always really uh prudent within Congress.

So they seem to do well, and we've seen year over year uh throughout.

But I can review a more detailed report around that and um take a look and Bradley and I will comb through it and see how projects this year were allocated and what they you know and kind of break it out for you.

That would be wonderful.

Again, I I just want us to have an opportunity to not miss out on something that we could potentially obtain if we knew about it.

Yeah, absolutely.

We're all pretty smart and ask for good things, but there just might be a magic bullet somewhere in there, right?

We go, hey, we never thought about asking for, but look at that one got funded.

Right.

You're absolutely correct, Madam Mayor.

There, you know, a lot of the times that a lot of the challenges is that the the lack of understanding, and it's not for a lack of communication.

It's we just don't know the questions to ask sometimes.

And so that we at the Porter Group make sure that you understand the needs that are out there and the availability.

Um, and you have a wonderful staff with county management um and um your uh government affairs uh manager is been phenomenal to work with.

And you know, when we find out those kind of niche paths for you, we want to make sure that we are communicating with public works, with the sheriff's office, with um uh your um your director of human services, um, anything that may be prudent, and I understand those projects, and I think that's really what's important for my role is to be here locally and help understand really what your needs are and and help you evaluate whether those are viable or not viable to move forward for congressional uh project spending.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

Anybody else?

Yeah, my brother.

Okay, thank you again for coming.

Thank you so much for having me.

Just keep next time.

I expect that report to say we're moving on to 17 million.

I'm excited.

I'm just gonna make sure that ticker keeps growing.

I'm gonna just put it on an automation.

That just slowly just slowly grows for you.

Like an investment fund, right?

There you go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Annual return.

Well, thank you so much.

There you go.

And thank you for having me.

Okay.

Okay, we're gonna move on to agenda item 15a.

This is a discussion on a contract with universal protection services dealing with armed security guards at the courthouse.

I see.

Uh the trio.

Who's going to start us off on this one?

Are you, Max?

Okay, thank you so much.

Good morning.

For the record, Max Cortez, court administrator for the first judicial district court in the Carson City Justice Admincipal Court.

Before you today is the Allied Universal Security Services contract.

As you um mentioned, District Court Judge Jason Woodbury and Sergeant Malay Gonzalez are with me today.

Um the Allied provides armed officers to screen the public at the Carson City Courthouse.

At the Carson City Courthouse is not just the courts.

Um, the district attorney, the election recorders office is also in the courthouse.

Domestic violence advocates also occupies the courthouse and the district attorney's office as well.

In 2025, over 109,000 individuals entered the courthouse and were screened.

As with any important decision the board needs to make, it's important that you are informed.

And I want to give you just a brief overview of the front lobby security over the years.

When I was hired, the chief of security oversaw the front lobby security.

We actually had a chief of security.

This was a three-quarter benefited position.

Um his name was Bill Ferris, and we had those positions throughout the city at that time.

Um additionally, there were four hourly officers who were retired, and they came back and they assisted securing the courthouse.

Those officers would re-rotate their schedules.

Um bailiffs in the district court would assist screening the public at the front door when coverage was needed and when the court was dark.

Those were easier times.

That costs today would be 200,785.61 cents, um, not including any incentives for education, longevity pay, physical fitness.

And I did that at a $35 per hour for the benefited position, 25 for the hourly positions.

The contract before you today is 200,883.52 cents.

This includes 144 hours for emergency coverage.

Um that's about 12 hours per month.

And really, as we talked about jury trials earlier, um, we just need an additional body when we have you know 90, 100 people in the court um trying to, you know, I don't want to say herd cats, but trying to get people to where they need to go and not lose people, as well as coverage at the juvenile court.

We have a screening device there.

We didn't have that way back when.

And um, sometimes when those individuals take leave, we also need coverage and allied as their expertise is screening people, and so that would allow us a little bit of time to a little bit of extra time to have Allied cover the juvenile court.

The FY28 contract is 206,686.

That's less than a 3% increase.

For FY29, it's 212,654.

That's uh again less than a 3% increase.

In FY 2011, during the recession, the three-quarter benefited chief of security position was eliminated.

Um DAS officers, district court bailiffs, and the hourly officers screened individuals at the front lobby.

The DAS chief um did the scheduling, manage the post certifications.

Um again, that was a really rough time.

We were talking about history.

Uh, we all worked together, um, tried to be efficient, and so everyone took on additional duties.

So, fast forward to 21-22.

Um, we started seeing the retired hourly officers officially retiring.

Um, this coincided with the national shortage of police officers.

In collaboration with Chief Stone, she sought assistance through a private security company, which is allied.

Didn't have that experience.

So as those hourly officers continue to resign, the marshals and the DS officers would continue to assist at the lobby.

In January of 2025, DAS requested a second armed officer and through Allied in this board approved the second armed officer.

And that was really in preparation of the last hourly officer retiring.

He had 47 years of law enforcement experience.

It was really an end to an era at that time.

And his last day was in March of 2025.

During this time, Marshals and DAS still provided coverage for lunches for breaks.

In 2024, the Carson City Courthouse and Juvenile Court were assessed by the National Center for State Courts.

The recommendation best practices three, but you can do it with two.

So we recommend that the allied contract be approved for three years.

And we want to share with you that the Allied, they provide two assigned armed officers.

Those officers are specifically trained to screen the public, but also detect contraband.

And you wouldn't believe it, but people actually try to bring contraband into the court, weapons and drugs, and just kind of a you wouldn't think that people would do that, but they do.

This is less expensive than paying a marshal a paid lunch, and you don't have a marshal that's you know not eating through the day.

Typically the courtrooms break from 12 to 1, and the contract allows for those allied officers to be paid.

The opportunity to negotiate a three-year contract.

It was just took longer than we anticipated.

We have a manager that we work with in Reno, but the person who makes the decisions is out of state.

So additional information, we have five marshals at the Carson City Courthouse.

Three are fully benefited, two have no benefits.

The fifth courtroom is used with judges for our overflow calendars, and that's a weekly use.

More for me, I want to touch on the fact, and I think you did it a little bit, is you know, we just did our budget process, and so it is extremely difficult.

We're only in the first month of the budget cycle, and here we are already saying we don't have enough money to cover it.

And so the question for me becomes what avenues or what can the court do to help alleviate the issue because it's not like I have $37,000 sitting in an account.

Because it's not like I have $37,000 sitting in an account.

We do have a break fix.

We do have a contingency emergency every year of like 300,000 because we know things are going to come up during the year that there's just no way you can budget and you know the elevator broke, or you just aren't going to have it.

So my concern is here goes, you know, $37,000, $40,000 right off the top of the fiscal year.

And so I'm just looking, what can you do as the courts?

I saw in the comment that you know I won't need the overtime now, but I'm looking for a commitment that you're helping to reduce this expense.

I mean, it'll be an expense here, but where else are you going to reduce an expense to be able to help cover this?

Because it's the entire city only has 300,000 in a contingency.

Well, I'm really um excited to provide this information to you.

We have been working um collaboratively with Story County and the Story County manager and the clerk, as well as the Justice Court, um, they are looking to leave the state with their case management system.

How that helps us is that we can collaborate as a joint effort to reduce our overall cost to our capital improvement program request.

Um that was like 1.1 million from the city's contribution.

And so with their collaboration and their willingness to share some costs, um, I'll be bringing back a contract to the board for consideration.

Um that 1.1 million we're anticipating to be reduced with Story County and their commitment to come forward and and share those costs with us.

So that's um our commitment to Carson City to always look for ways to collaborate with other jurisdictions.

Um our district court judges oversee the district court in Story County, but the Justice Court also wanted to take advantage of that um joint venture and be able to have a new case management system without footing the entire cost.

Um they've already had um communication with their controller as well as their board of commissioners and their support for that.

They're waiting for us to bring the contract to you, and then they'll bring their contract to their board, and then I'll bring an amended contract back to you for the reduced costs.

So that's in the works, and that's going to be a significant decrease.

And our commitment has always been to try to find ways, whether it's through grants or collaboration to try to reduce our needs and services, um, so that it's not so impactful to the general fund.

No, I really appreciate the opportunity to work together as the courts and the city and and recognize that both have limited funding, right?

You have a lot of court fees and things that you can manage, and then we have general fund that we're managing, and and I appreciate that we both recognize we have to do it together to make the whole system work because there's just such limited funding of general fund to go around.

Um, and so you're committing that the Story County potential contract dollars, you will work to offset the general fund contribution to the case management system.

Yes, great.

That's that's that's all I needed on the record is to have that understanding that you weren't gonna move it back to the court administrative fees, you're gonna reduce and cover this expenditure.

And the contracts already been drafted and the board agenda item, it's been vetted through the DA.

We're just working out a couple of areas with um the vendor, um, but that language is in there.

Um, we are always looking at trying to reduce costs and seeing how we can effectively work together, whether it's in with our internal agencies or if it's with other um counties, whatever we can do.

That has always been our commitment.

Okay.

And I and I don't have a problem if you want to tell us the success of our decision.

A lot of times we make them and we think they're gonna be great, but we don't always get a follow-up that tells us it was the right decision.

So if you want to just, do you think it's been a good move with the change with DAS in the bailiff system?

Uh Jason Woodbury for the record qualitatively different in improvement.

Um DAS said uh they were just spread so thin, and and and still are to some extent, but having the responsibility for court security on top of everything else they had uh what was too much.

We we have our marshals division, and they are focused and energized and empowered um qualitatively different and improved uh based on on your decision to to empower us uh to take ownership of that.

So absolutely a success on all fronts.

Do you see?

I see the negotiated contract here for the three years, of which again, great job keeping it small for its percentage of increase.

Do you see when the new courthouses come in that we're gonna have more volume and and more visitors and potentially would need to increase the I know I'm gonna increase a bail of two the particular courtrooms, but do you see an impact potentially for the screening?

You know, I would say it's probably gonna be a wash because at some point the clerk recorder and elections will be moving out, and so with the addition of the third courtroom and DAS.

So I anticipate it is, it really is.

And so I I think it will probably be a wash, maybe hopefully a little less.

Um 19,000 people, that's a lot.

I think that's surprising.

I don't know about you guys, but when I heard there was 109 visitors through that's heavily used, and oftentimes you hear people we're not using the building, so it's just not true.

109,000, it's five residents.

A lot.

And um, they keep track and they don't double track and they don't double count, and a lot of our employees, they park on the outside and come through the back.

So these are visitors.

Right.

Right.

Okay.

Does anybody else have any questions?

Well, thank you so much.

I really appreciate it.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Okay, I'll accept a motion.

I move to approve the contract as presented.

Second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Thank you so much.

Let the record reflect that was unanimous.

Thank you for your hard work and uh cooperation with us.

I guess we've been team Carson doing pretty good this year, so thank you.

Okay, we're gonna move on to agenda.

Wait, does anyone need a break?

A break?

Let's take a quick uh recess there.

We're in recess just for the facilities.

Back to order.

We're on agenda item 16A.

This is discussion and possible action to complete some remediation plans and removals on our audit findings.

I will do my disclosure.

And somehow they're still long.

NRS 281A 420 requires me to disclose a conflict of interest and abstain from voting when I have a disqualifying conflict.

My son is a partner at Id Bailey, and I have previously abstained from voting on the award of the contract to Id Bailey as the city's internal auditor, because I believed that the independence of judgment of a reasonable person in my position could be materially affected by my relationship with my son, who, although he does not have any direct involvement in Carson City audits, could in general be impacted as an employee with the awarding of the contract to his firm.

Here, however, the contract has already been awarded.

My son does not have any direct involvement in this audit.

And the item before us now only involves procedural actions and considering the audit committee's recommendations for the closure of items where remediation was validated, potentially validated.

Not all of them were.

So the audit committee had two meetings, one in May and one in June, and they are recommending three items for closure on our findings report.

So I'd like to move to page 250.

It's the first in your packet.

First item.

And this is our payroll processing.

It took a minute to get this through the approval process.

We did uh we do have the policy in place, and um it was completed and recommended for closure.

Um next on page 251.

Please feel free to stop me if you have a question.

Um on page 251 for our purchasing and contracts.

Um this uh was a recommendation by the audit committee to update our policy.

We actually had two refresher trainings on this, um one on March 17th and one on March 24th.

And lastly, they have a Teams group created so that those that could have policies can speak with Carol and ask questions and and it makes the contracts process flow a little more smoothly, more easily.

Um so um that one we'd like to ask for closure as well.

And then on page 253.

Um this is a newer audit, just completed January of 26th for our asset management program.

Um hopefully you're all aware.

I believe you were all here that day.

Um I did bring the capital um deletions to the May 21st, 2026 meeting and confirm that you all want to hear it during the audit.

So we'll do that going forward.

So that one's completed too, and uh, we're gonna request closure on that one as well.

If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer.

Does any member have a question?

I don't see any.

Is there any public comment on this item?

I'll accept a motion.

Supervisor Shuty, I are on the audit committee.

Whether you like the pleasure.

Woohoo!

Yeah, there you go.

Supervisor Giomi, though, is uh Okay, good.

I move to approve the completed remediation plans and remove the finding from the uh audit findings tracking summary report.

Second, I was just saying that you were eager to serve on audit committee.

January, he goes, what yeah, all those in favor, please say I.

I'm so sorry to I apologize in advance that I must read this again because somebody tells me no.

Yeah, ditto, right?

When we have to do these, I know.

NRS 281A420 requires me to disclose a conflict of interest and abstain from voting when I have a disqualifying conflict.

My son is a partner at Id Bailey.

I've previously abstained from voting on the award of the contract to Id Bailey because I believed that the independence of judgment of a reasonable person in my position could be materially affected by the relationship with my son.

Um he does not have any direct involvement in Carson City audits, but could in general be impacted at as an employee by awarding of contracts to his firm.

Here, however, the contract has already been awarded, and the item before us now only involves giving direction to the internal auditor by the board as a whole for the purpose of proceeding with certain audit projects that have been recommended.

I make this disclosure in the interest of full transparency, but because taking action on this matter is a routine function, my independence of judgment is not affected by my relationship with my son, and also because NRS 281A.420 requires abstention only in clear cases.

I do not have a disqualifying conflict and will be voting on this matter.

Okay, Miss Benaboo, what are we recommending?

Thank you very much.

And I do want to say the audit committee is very cool.

So you should all want to participate in the audit committee.

Yeah, I did mine yours.

Um I think it's cool.

Um this is this is for our fiscal year 2027 internal audit plan.

Um and so it starts on page 260 of your packet.

Um that these first three items are very um kind of stand alone and move forward every year.

Um we have to have a risk assessment update to kind of figure out what we're gonna do in the following year.

Uh the fraud, waste and abuse hotline, it's an independent, so if there's any fraud, waste and abuse, you can call in.

Um, and it's very um you know, confidential.

So um nobody knows um who reported it.

Um, and I'd Bailey monitors it.

They're very good at making sure the appropriate um level um gets it.

So uh and then the follow-up procedures.

This is like uh the mayor said earlier.

If you want validation on an item, this is where that budget is.

Um so the projects that they're um recommending for 22 or on on page 261 for 2027.

Um first is a um penetration test of our cybersecurity, and we haven't done this since 2022, so they do recommend um that we do this uh every two to three years.

So we're a little behind, so we're gonna do this.

Uh we're recommending doing this since it's been about four years, and then um the fire department overtime.

Um we did this assessment in 2019, and they had a hard time determining what the overtime was used for.

So we add a bunch of we added a bunch of codes into tell staff.

Um so we just want to make sure that's still running correctly and properly and and um and you know, make sure there's no holes in that for fire overtime because it is climbing again.

Uh, and then the third one is the sales tax distribution.

Um, this is for our C tax that comes from the state.

Um the state has um promised us some data from their system.

So uh our plan is to give that data to the internal auditor and have them do like a completeness test to see if anybody was missing from the revenue conversion.

So though we we're getting a list of pre-conversion um reporters and a list of after conversion reporters, and then we're gonna have the auditor kind of compile that data and see if anybody's missing.

Um, and that's pretty much because the NACO audit isn't gonna happen.

So we're trying to do our own procedures.

Um we have noticed most of the surrounding counties are increasing in sales tax, and we are not, so something just doesn't seem right.

And that's really it, unless you have any questions, comments, or concerns.

I I'm just gonna comment because earlier we were indicating the potential difficulty we have dealing with state lands, but I want to say that the governor's office was very supportive when I just said something doesn't again, it doesn't mean it's wrong.

I can't say that it is, but how come others surrounding us are growing?

Um, and when you look at the overall business counts, why am I way down when I'm not down in my business license counts?

And so you start to look at that and say something just doesn't seem appropriate.

So I think this um, and I I want to thank the governor's office for assigning an individual to help us shepherd that through.

Um so I I want to give credit, credit there where it's due, and I just think this is um, I just want a level of comfort that somehow somebody didn't get coded to Douglas County or to Lyon County and they belong to us.

I want my money, right?

I'm just being honest, I want my money.

So I look forward to seeing or getting some comfort on where that's at.

Uh Supervisor Giomi.

Do you um do you think I'd be with the cooperation they need to make it meaningful?

I guess that's a big I mean I'm not saying we shouldn't do it.

I just uh you know, if we're gonna do it, I hope it's meaningful and accurately reflective of what.

So I mean, do you think they can you think that can happen?

I guess that's I do.

I think taxation um is giving us um the data for a year pre revenue implementation to after.

Are they so they're anonymizing it or or um they're they're gonna do it by um company, but they're we're kind of arguing about the company name right now because they don't want to provide the company name, they want to give us just an indicator number or something.

Um so we'll we'll see how it falls out.

But but they have agreed to give us the data, and so once we get that data, I'd be has you know the the system that they can toss it into and ask what's missing.

And so yeah, I I think definitely I don't see any other questions.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Don't see any.

I'll bring it back then for a motion.

I move to direct I'd be lee LLP to proceed with the fiscal year 2027 audit work program as discussed.

Second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect that was unanimous.

Thank you so much.

Okay, we're now on to agenda item 16C.

Uh, this is uh our plan for our community development block grant for fiscal year 2627.

Uh Yassinia, you're gonna give us just a brief highlight.

Yeah, of course.

Um, so in accordance with the federal uniform guidance to uh 24 CFR Part 91.

Carson City must submit an annual plan in order to remain eligible to obtain uh CDBG funding directly from HUD.

The annual plan is based upon the 2023-2028 consolidated plan.

Carson City started its fourth year of the consolidated plan on July 1st, 2026.

The annual plan provides a concise summary of actions, activities, and specific federal and non-federal resources that will be used to address priority needs and specific goals identified in the consolidated plan.

The annual plan was published on the Carson City website on June 10th, 2026, and the uh Nevada Appeal also published a public notice on the same day inviting citizens to review and comment on the draft annual plan.

The comment period was open for 30 days and closed on July 11th.

The public notice also invited citizens to attend the July 16th uh 2026 board meeting, and as of today we have not received any public comments.

Okay.

Does any member have a question?

No.

Is there any public comment on this item?

I'll accept a motion.

Supervisor Giomi.

I move to approve the FY2627 annual action plan is presented.

Second.

I have a motion and a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Thank you so much for your hard work.

Okay, I see someone in the house.

Come on up, Matt.

Um, this is for discussion only.

It's our presentation of our biannual report um from for our jail conditions.

So we've got the sheriff and Matt that runs the jail.

Lordy, lordy.

How'd this happen?

For the record, Sheriff, for long.

Um pleasure to be here today.

Um I would make Jerome, our under-sheriff, do this today, uh, kind of as a final swat out as if we retire him uh here at the um Broderick Center today.

Um this event this afternoon at 2 30 is open to the public and want to thank Parks and Recreation.

Um really bent over backwards for us because of capacity constraints.

And with that, I will turn it over to our future FBI National Academy student.

Let's call it that.

Uh Captain Matt Smith.

When you go into the academy.

I will be leaving in September.

September.

Yes.

And then turnaround will be mid-December.

So you'll be back for I expect to see a brick.

I know that you did give me a luxury of coming back for Christmas.

So I do get to see the family, at least for the holidays.

Uh I just want to quickly say thank you again for allowing me to come up again.

My name is Matthew Smith, and I'm captain with the Car City Sheriff's Office and currently overseeing the division of management for the Car City jail.

Again, thank you again for the board for allowing me to come up and talk to you today.

Well, today we're gonna be talking about a state of the jail report, which is our biannual report.

Twice a year we do talk about this.

I apologize, Stephanie.

I forgot how to get it on full screen.

Are you the IT friend?

I know you have a friend.

Yeah, we'll be covering this extensively of the chat.

But I've also learned that asking for help and questions is easier than try to fumble through things.

Again, we're talking about this because the NRS chapter 211 sets forth that we do talk about this, the conditions within the jail, the programs, and the more important thing, which is outlined per that chapter is in custody deaths.

Quick summary of what we're going to be talking about within the past five months.

We've did sustain one inmate death, which occurred in January.

We'll go through that.

Building maintenance kind of they did record 69 work requests in the calendar year, so starting in January.

Currently, there are no outstanding building maintenance requests.

We're going to be covering the integration of the new jail management system through Tyler.

Also, we did do an exercise with the fire department, a joint exercise along with building maintenance, and it was regarding the jail evacuation as a training exercise.

And also we're going to be covering a little bit of our medical staff and the numbers we present as to consultations and regarding inmates in their health care.

First thing is again building maintenance.

The calendar year, January through May.

80 service requests were documented from July of and through December of last year.

We're at 69 right now.

Currently, they've spent about 384 hours within our building main recording and helping us in the building maintenance area.

I can't appreciate them enough for what they do to help maintain the jail and keep it in good working order.

So they do work very diligently within our jail, so I appreciate building maintenance for what they do in public works.

I appreciate the board for allowing us to come forward with you guys last fiscal cycle to replace a couple of needed items within the jail.

We were able to replace the freezer compressor, and we are also out completely redid our outdated washers within the jail.

So it was a vertical machine at 55-pound capacity and a 40-pound capacity.

Again, I appreciate that because it did help out the functioning within our jail at that point.

Now we're going to cover a little bit the new jail management system.

This is just a screenshot of what our login looks like.

We are going through Tyler Enterprise Justice now.

In April was a transition, and that's when we started moving from our outdated and now obsolete Tiburon program, which has now been turned over to Tyler.

Detention staff is now very familiar with the program and now is operating as we want it to be.

We do have a post-implementation review board, which we do meet and conduct uh checks on it to make sure any lingering tasks that need to be addressed are still being addressed, and that way we don't miss anything for that point.

The implementation went great, and we are now fully operational within the jail.

Inmate populations have been staying pretty steady, right around the 158 to 160 mark.

106 days in jail is our average for that time span.

70% of the population is made up of our males, 30% is roughly the females, and that's pretty consistent throughout the years as well.

Moving to our inmate medical coverage.

Last year, and during this time frame, we saw our medical staff saw 347 inmates on a regular basis per month.

We see about 91% of those inmate consultations in person.

And all the remaining requests are handled through the kiosk inmate tickets.

Doesn't mean they need to be seen in person.

It's something we can address through the kiosk.

So about 91% are addressed in person.

The last remaining percentage is addressed through the kiosk, which doesn't need an in-person consultation.

I like to do touch on this a little bit, is our APRN SHAR, our medical staff and director for us in a jail.

I really appreciate her steadfast commitment to the jail and her unwavering dedication to seeing and providing the best medical care within our jail as you can.

And we do have one part-time nurse who does work three days a week.

She recently, as of last week, retired.

So we are in the process of hiring a new one to supplement our full-time staff.

On average, we do have about three medical emergencies.

What are medical emergencies?

Well, medical emergencies are when somebody is recommended by SHAR or any medical staff, or even when they're after hours that we notice that medical staff on site cannot treat this person.

We have a great working relationship with the fire departments.

We make those notifications to the fire department.

They respond down to the jail and transport to Carson Tahoe, where we take over at that point.

So those are the things the medical emergencies consist of.

Now moving to our inmate death.

This occurred on January 17th, 2026, around 1330 hours.

Our control unit officer, they received a notification from the TR housing units that one of our incarcerated persons was having a difficulty breathing.

He was in the shower at the time.

When our detention staff responded into the housing units, they immediately started conversation with the individual, helped them off of the uh chair within the shower, got him into his uh wheelchair and noticed he was experiencing quite a bit of difficulty breathing.

They immediately notified our control officer to contact the fire departments and have them response.

While in doing so, they helped them get dressed and started wheeling them down to the intake booking area to wait for the fire department arrival.

Once they got into the booking area, that's when they noticed that he was now becoming unresponsive and had lost his breathing capabilities.

They immediately uh placed them onto the floor, started life-saving measures, meeting CPR and administration of the AED.

While doing so, they continue those life-saving measures until the fire department arrived, and then they took over full medical treatment of efforts.

Around 1348 hours, he was pronounced pronounced deceased by our fire departments.

At which point we activated our in-custody death protocol.

The Douglas County Sheriff's Office is the one who took over in custody death investigation, and along with the coroner's report, came across a couple months ago.

They did determine the cause of death as a natural cause from pneumonia along with other natural causations from this individual.

The report completed by the Dux County Sheriff's Office also recorded the same.

Now moving on to joint training exercises.

On May 5th, we did host a joint training exercise within the Car City jail, at which point we also had the Car City Fire Department, Car City Building Maintenance, and we had NDOC respond as well.

It was a joint exercise along with John Becketall to help set up as a emergency management and to see how would we evacuate the jail in case of an emergency?

The training was to simulate a fire in one of the housing units, and then from there we're testing the response of detention staff and how we would move inmates from that housing unit along with a jaint adjacent housing units to a safe area.

The training exercises for the department department on responsive jail and learning the jail's floor plan.

We did notice that, and this is why we do these type of things.

The fire department had a hard time with that because they don't didn't understand the layout of the facility.

So we had to use our detention staff, which is great for us because they also learn new things from them on what their responsibilities are.

So it was a really good training exercise.

After we got all the movement going of the inmates to our rec yard, we allowed the fire department to come in, and yes, they did charge the lines, but we also learned that it gets very slick in there too when they charge those lines.

So from there, NDOC came in with the prison bus, and we did move a select number of inmates who are pre-screened prior to that down to Warm Strings correctional facility.

From there, they were followed by our patrol along with detention staff, and then they're set up a makeshift intake entry area for us.

And then once we established that, once the fire department had finished their portion, we concluded the scenario, and then we debriefed the scenario.

Overall, it was very positive interaction with all entities, and we learned some new things that we can implement and change.

Can I ask you a question on that training?

So was every sorry, got the hiccups.

Um, but was everyone involved in that training exercise aware it was a training exercise?

That is a great versus um a surprise call out on your emergency system or whatever.

And I just asked that because when you're prepared for an alarm, your your panic it doesn't um doesn't rise to the same level as you get an alarm and oh my gosh, I got too any inmates in a housing area, and they're like freaked out.

I mean, I just I'm just interested in the level of they knew about it in advance because you'll find more out if it's a for the record.

Um that that um all of the people were notified and prepared, but the intent of the exercises is to make sure that um when you do have these spontaneous emergencies that everybody is already familiar with, the responses to capabilities and the reactions that will that will take place.

So I hope that answers your.

So, yes, to kind of conclude what the sheriff said.

Yes, we did notify and we did uh plan accordingly for manning purposes that they knew that an event was going to happen, but they didn't know the particular uh scenario that was gonna happen.

So they were prepared for there was something, but they just didn't know what was gonna happen.

And what they did too, we did introduce little curveballs in between then.

Oh, now we have a medical emergency happening at the same time as this is happening.

So we threw those things in there because we're testing the level of the responsiveness.

So, yes, they knew a scenario was gonna happen, but they did not know the particular assignment and what was gonna happen with it.

Because I know that when I looked up there and see that NDOC is not always going to have a busable to take, depending on their own.

I used to work there, I know how this one works.

So I'm assuming it's also gives you an opportunity to to find other alternatives to plug in because you're not gonna be able to make a call always to over to Warm Springs and says, Oh, yay, bring me a driver and a bus and come pick up correct, yes.

Okay.

That's that's the one that really I'm like, wow.

That's good, and it was good for them to participate.

They certainly have something that's unique, which is the facility to house, not and they do transportation, obviously, all the time, but they don't always have a resource, the bus and the driver.

So that was the reason for this training exercise to also think about the expandedness of if that were to occur, what are this in step two?

What is step three, and also to have timeframes set as to checkpoint it?

And how fast where are we at with this?

Where are we moving with this?

And that was the whole thing was to stress it, check it, and so also we can tweak things of our responsiveness and also working with different entities within the city and how they're gonna respond as well.

So overall is a high success.

Everybody enjoy the training and that we all learned something out as well.

Supervisor Shooty.

I was just wondering if there will be a follow-up at some point, no time super soon, but to actually test um the the corrections made and kind of an opportunity to to revisit and reinforce.

Yes.

So after the conclusion of this, the sheriff was immediate that he wanted to follow up on this to start testing the things that we notice.

So next year, next calendar year, we are planning another joint exercise.

So again, to further our training and stressors and to continue to train on these type of evacuations.

Make sure there's a lawyer in there that's visiting with his client so he can experience.

But again, that'll be a real scenario.

Yes, you know, these don't happen at the great times of put some visitors at like fake visitors, but I mean the idea is go ahead and stress it there too, because it'll happen.

Correct.

So overall, high success.

Okay, thank you.

Moving over to our family unit side, this is more of the program side of the jail.

Again, I do want to uh really point out the appreciation I have for Supervisor White and Supervisor Shooty.

Supervisor White did come in within the facility a couple months ago, got a hands-on and just wanted oh, we let them out this morning.

Um, I do appreciate you coming in, sir, and spending some time with us, sitting down with staff, some community stakeholders, state state hold stakeholders, as well as meeting with one of our inmates who is actively engaged within the programs and learning and seeing what the benefits are and what we're trying to do and accomplish with these things.

So I just wanted to point that out.

Uh family year service unit hosts weekly parenting class.

They post bail in both male and females within it, and we're looking to keep expanding upon that.

Faith has now done so.

She is now working on Saturdays as well with the various classes to continue to further our educational platforms, not only just on the tablets, but also in person and constructive ways to actually get education for parenting, but not only just parenting, offering programs to obtain your GED, which we have been successful in at least two people that I know of obtaining GEDs since being in custody and continuing to push out education within our incarcerated persons so that way we can offer every service we can so that way they can try to hopefully get out and change and have something a little bit to stand on.

And ultimately, we're always trying to change people's mentalities and their thought process behind it.

So currently this calendar year, we have been working tirelessly.

Faith has been uh active with about 29 males per month and about 19 females per month overall, about 349 attendees for the male side, 233 for the female side.

I I appreciate being able to uh come in and take a look at this program, and and I think it's important, you know, as as a society and we move forward, we're understanding that uh jail is usually not the right place for a lot of people.

Um but what I uh was really impressed with on this particular program was the ability to customize it to fit the needs of the incarcerated person and their families with doing that without turning it into this giant mushroom that gets out of control, right?

Um I think what you're doing there is uh should be looked at as a model for other jurisdictions trying to address what really is tiny little problems that become something that they should never have.

And um again, thank you for uh inviting us in to take a look at at the program.

I I think you're doing the right thing.

I appreciate it, thanks for president.

Um as well, we also have family outreach services, which Faith does, which means she has helped about 73 parents last calendar year leading to this year.

Well, what does that really mean?

Helping outside of that.

That means connection between the outside agencies who do support our program, but also having those warm handoffs to make sure they continue to have success outside of the walls within our facility.

It also means that they can always come back and we offer those essential needs that sometimes they need.

So sometimes when they do get out, they don't have those the toiletries, the small things, bus passes, stuff like that that we're able to provide for them, and Faith has worked tirelessly to try to get those services to them.

And again, make sure that we can try to help and provide as much as we can outside of the walls as well as inside of the walls.

And Faith has worked great with this program, and she continues to work very tirelessly on trying to improve it as well.

Continuing on again, kind of a quick overview.

It's basic assistance, outside agency resource navigation, the warm handoffs, the medical legal support, providing those warm handoffs, child care, early education access, and those are the types of things that are important because we want to break those cycles, and we want to have successful and promote positiveness with the children within the community, especially the parents who have visited our facility.

So we're trying to break that and try to provide those type of services.

We also the whole concept behind it.

I think I've kind of touched on a little bit.

We do a lot of in-person stuff, but we also do a lot of stuff through the tablets, so electronic education.

So we use those two-fold areas of two-pronged attack, and then also again, as of right now.

I know we've had two success stories as of two people being able to obtain a GED while incarcerated with us.

And I always like to end on a positive note.

I know uh the board has been able to take a chance to kind of read these, but these are such impactful letters.

I know it's only a very small sample, but just having people write back to thank the sheriff's office and specifically Faith 2 for her tireless efforts and the ability to give them something instead of nothing, and to hopefully inspire change.

So I like to leave in a positive note and kind of leave that with you on that.

Again, thank you.

This is the end of my report.

I appreciate you letting me come up if you have any questions.

I don't I don't see any questions, so thank you for your report.

See you in six months.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, I think you'll enjoy it.

I did.

Okay, we're gonna move on to agenda item 18A.

Um, this is uh to adopt on second reading bill number 106, which is our proposed ordinance for exempting certain properties from on-site parking in the redevelopment project area.

Ms.

Sullivan, have you had any comments between first reading and second reading?

No.

Okay.

Is there any questions anyone has?

Supervisor White.

Good morning.

Hey, I'm recognizing that this comes forward because we've identified an issue downtown.

I know that there have been a number of people uh look at some properties down there, and their ideas didn't go through because they didn't have the parking.

Do you have a way you can go back and identify those folks that were trying to get into a building that didn't because of parking and tell them, hey, parking's not an issue anymore.

You want to try again?

Is that feasible?

Do you have a way to make that happen?

Um I I can work with the staff and see if there's personal knowledge on those because in a lot of cases it may have been a conversation that then translate into an application.

Yeah.

But I can check with staff on that.

The other um item that I'm gonna be pursuing, which may be related, is I'm going to meet with the realtors, the commercial realtors who are marketing certain vacant buildings to try to identify from them why is this building not renting?

What's going on here?

And Kyle Fisher, who's with me today, our deputy director, he and I have talked about this, so he'll be joining me in those meetings.

And so to the extent parking comes up during those meetings.

Certainly, I'll explain the new code.

But this will also help me understand what some of those hurdles are so that I can discuss it with the board or with city manager with the planning commission, whoever the right group is, so that we can continue to try to eliminate hurdles that aren't necessary for health and safety.

Right.

Okay.

Thank you.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Seeing none, I'll accept a motion.

Supervisor Horton.

I move to adopt on second reading bill number 106, ordinance number 2026-9.

I second.

And then a second for approval.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect it was unanimous.

Thank you.

Okay, we're now on to agenda item 19A.

This is discussion only.

It's a presentation regarding our arts and culture program and the commission.

Morning.

Sorry.

Anna Freeman, Arts and Cultural Supervisor for the Record.

Um, I want to thank the board for recognizing the importance of the arts in making Carson City a leader among cities as an inviting prosperous community where people live, work, and play.

As you know, the arts are essential to the health and vitality of Carson City as well as to our small town atmosphere and our sense of community.

Some of the things we've been up to this last year.

Um, we are working to increase arts and cultural programming opportunities for the community with classes and workshops this past year.

We have had free community workshops to create ornaments for the U.S.

Capitol Christmas tree.

And we have ongoing music and art classes for preschoolers and toddlers, um, which continue to receive positive feedback from the community.

So if you know a kiddo ages one to five, um, please help spread the word.

The 10 a.m.

class tends to fill up, but we do now have an 11 a.m.

and 530 p.m.

class on Mondays.

Um Sierra Arts Foundation offered a variety of classes and camps, uh, which unfortunately came to an end in June 2025.

They weren't able to renew their contract.

Um, but we have expanded art lessons and activities with our youth programs as well as the adaptive uh recreation program.

We're also always looking for contract teachers.

So if you know someone who may be interested in teaching art classes, please encourage them to contact me.

Because the arts play a vital role in the health of communities, and because connecting local youth to the arts was identified as a priority in the community needs health assessment a few years ago.

Health and Human Services has funded a significant portion of the Meet the Orchestra event.

That state funding from Nevada Senate Bill 118 has come to an end, but it has made it possible to stand up that program and get the MTO event up and running, connecting about a thousand kids to a meaningful musical experience.

We've received feedback like from a teacher saying, thank you for setting this up for the students of Carson City.

As a music educator, I appreciate being provided with the opportunity to share high quality orchestral music with my students.

This experience helps to teach and reinforce what they have learned about instrument families, individual instruments of the orchestra, and provided them an opportunity to learn more about audience etiquette in a classical music setting.

Thank you again for this amazing experience.

And feedback from a second grader saying, and I quote, it sounded so cool.

Bunanza is the biggest trick-or-treat event in Northern Nevada with thousands of trick-or-treaters annually in Mills Park.

The businesses and organizations who volunteer to host these trick-or-treat booths continue to impress, and it's a really fun family event.

We are working to add additional safety measures and improvements as this event continues to grow.

Our next Art Volunteer Day is scheduled for Saturday, September 5th.

If you'd like to help with maintenance of our public art collection and do some prep work for an upcoming recycled art project, you can sign up online, CarsonCity.gov slash CCPR.

And we've been trying out a new program offering tickets and transportation to arts events around the region that has had positive feedback so far with trips to the Reno Philharmonic and the Lake Tahoe Shakespeare Festival.

I'm currently looking for more performances that could be a good fit to continue that initiative.

And our arts and culture grants have provided between 2,000 and 15,000 per event, about 10% of the total cost of local arts events that support the board's quality of life goals and the cultural vibrancy of the community.

The return on investment is seen not only in the positive economic impact of local and visiting attendees buying meals, gas, and shopping in connection with events, but also in those difficult to measure quality of life benefits.

These grants have helped to provide guest performers, educational youth programs, concerts, plays, ballets, and musicals that benefit people of all ages, including the performers, students, local audiences, and visitors.

More information about events supported by the grants and information about how nonprofits can apply for those grants can be found at CarsonCity.gov slash arts.

And we've also been able to offer some kids' art activities at community events.

The picture here is me at the Carson City Parks Recreation Open Space Booth or table at the Brewery Arts Center for the Cinco de Mayo event.

And there's not a whole lot to report about public art, as we did not have any new additions to the public art collection in 2025.

Well, we will hopefully have several small additions in 2026.

As you can see in the photos here, 2025 was the first round of our out of the box initiative, beautifying the streetscape, providing paid opportunities for local artists, and showcasing Carson City's unique culture and talent.

These small-scale murals are considered temporary, so they're not part of the public art collection, but they can be found under public art on the website.

The Cultural Commission is a diverse and passionate group of individuals.

Current municipal code requires an annual report with the tenants for the Cultural Commission.

So as you can see, the last three Cultural Commission meetings were canceled due to no agenda items.

And there is currently one unfilled vacancy.

Although advisory commissions do not have an authority to accept any revenue or authorize any expenditures, a lot of the discussion leading to the creation of the Carson City Cultural Commission centered around securing funding to maintain and grow the arts in Carson City.

Back then in 2008, there was no arts and culture program in the city.

The Board of Supervisors back then was not consistently allocating any funding annually to arts and culture endeavors.

We didn't even have an account to accept monetary gifts donations and sponsorships for arts and culture.

So we have made some great strides in the never-ending pursuit of funding the arts since 2008 when the Cultural Commission was created.

However, with redevelopment funds sunsetting in the not too distant future, now is the time to start planning continuation of the city's arts support when that funding source comes to an end, regardless of the involvement of the Cultural Commission.

So following this item for your consideration today, there will be a few items related to the arts and culture program, including the future of the Cultural Commission and a proposed art donation and the naming of the building which we in which we are holding arts classes.

I don't see any questions.

I'm going to give a kudo, you know, in the public comment that you received a very nice letter.

Yeah.

Um with your music and art taught time.

And Ms.

Anna has created such a special place for little ones to learn, play, and make friends.

So kudos to that.

Okay.

I don't see any on that.

So we will then thank you for all your hard work too.

We should also just uh comment that she herself is Miss Talent.

Um if Carson City needs a ringer for anything that we are gonna compete against another jurisdiction, send Anna.

Like anything, you got anything?

We can do it all.

Oh, okay.

She is phenomenal.

Just well, I don't know.

I'll bet she well, and they might be able to narrator their own.

Oh yes.

Yes.

Anyway, just thank you for all your efforts.

Okay, we're now gonna move on to agenda item 19B.

This is discussion and possible action with a business impact statement concerning a proposed ordinance repealing the Carson City Cultural Commission and to introduce on first reading an ordinance repealing the Carson City Cultural Commission, Ms.

Budge.

Thank you, Madam Mayor Jennifer Budge, Parks and Recreation Director.

Um, as you know, the Cultural Commission was created in 2008 through ordinance.

As Anna alluded to earlier, the intent was to demonstrate city support, increase funding opportunities through having an arts board, and engender arts and culture for future generations for the Capital City.

Since that time, the city has hired a full-time arts and culture supervisor, implemented an arts and culture strategic plan, and performed lasting and meaningful partnership with Visit Carson City, which we're so grateful to have.

Under Anna's leadership, the city's fostered meaningful programs and events.

Really, she just highlighted a few, but there's really such a more tremendous effort happening behind the scenes that the city's benefiting from.

Over the years, despite talented and engaging volunteers on the cultural commission, there's just really been a lack of community engagement, unfortunately, struggling to have agenda items.

The interest has waned over the years, very similar to what we saw with the Shade Tree Council.

They were really robust and initially created a bunch of um amazing programs, but then it just kind of died off from there.

Um I think it might be just sort of a natural trajectory sometimes that happens with our very specific kind of technical advisory groups.

Even though we're recommending dissolution of the cultural commission, the city remains committed to a thriving arts and culture movement under the Parks Recreation and Open Space Department.

Should the board agree with our recommendation, the department intends to utilize the Parks and Recreation Commission as an avenue for public engagement and regular updates about arts and culture so we don't lose that message to the community.

Our team is also working on a public art donation with the Ansari family, which will be going to the Open Space Advisory Committee in the near future, and um introducing um public art to our open space program, which is a really great opportunity.

We recognize that there's a lot more to accomplish, but I'm confident that with the team we have in place and the partnerships we've created that there's a bright future ahead for arts and culture in Carson City.

We'd like to thank the Cultural Commission on the record um for their time, passion, commitment, and creativity, Supervisor Horton, Barb Dineo, Valerie Moore, Bethany Drysdale, Lauren Casto, and Sam Fleikis for just their efforts.

Um the board agree with our our recommendation.

Hopefully, we can utilize their talents through other volunteer opportunities, but you know, continuing to give back to the community of arts and culture.

Perfect.

Does any member have any questions?

Just a comment.

Uh Supervisor Geomi.

Just uh, you know, the people that served on that cultural commission are so passionate about not only arts but how you can integrate the arts into our community.

And uh, I know none of them are going to go away.

Um, and so I just um I don't even know if they're listening, but um I I know they're not gonna go away, but I I just hope that we um continue to reap the benefits of of their knowledge and their and mostly their passion about our community.

But they did a fantastic job.

Okay, I don't see any other comments.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Mr.

French.

Danny French, Carson City, Nevada.

I'd like to also thank the commissioners for the culture.

I I had to stop going because of time and and study considerations and that's some other, but I really appreciated each individual's personal engagement with what they were up to.

And I'm hoping that their talents and education and their experience will go on into the program that's gonna be started through the parks and recreation.

Thank you all.

If you're watching, I appreciate y'all.

Bye-bye.

Have any other things?

I don't see any other public comment.

I'll bring it back up here for a motion.

Supervisor Horton.

I move to accept the business impact statement as presented and too excuse me, and to introduce on first reading bill number 107.

I have a motion and a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect that was unanimous.

Gosh, we're gonna move on to agenda item.

19C, which is the proposed naming of the art building that's located at 801 North Root Street, and we're thinking it ought to be maybe the art club.

So, Dan, Anna, do you wanna just give us some highlight?

Absolutely.

Uh, for the record, Dan Arp, Recreation Superintendent.

Um that pretty much covers most of it.

It's a pretty simple simple uh request, right?

But but the the art building uh that we refer to it is just the building just south of this uh building here adjacent to the aquatic facility at 801 North Whoop Street.

We would like to put some signage up on that building because there's nothing that really identifies it.

We have a lot of art classes in there, and we want people to be able to find it.

Um and have some signs that's big enough from like that roundabout area to be able to look down and see that that's what the art building is, so they know that's where to go.

Um so we need to have a name for it in order to do that.

And the recommendation from the uh Parson Recreation Commission was the uh the art club.

Um and after we surveyed the community, they that's kind of the the result that uh the recommending.

Great.

Uh Supervisor Giomi.

Just wanted to make uh a comment and and and Supervisor Horton if he's able to comment through this.

Uh if you're not too choked up.

Um the uh that that building, just to speaking historically, used to be uh the radio shop for the city.

So all of our uh radio systems, police, fire, public works, parks, all of our radios.

Um Reed Ross, Walt, what was Waltz's name?

Sullivan.

No, no, I was hoping you'd remember his name, but I cannot remember his name.

In any case, um that that was where uh our radio shop was in the well, I I don't know when it started there, but uh when I started with a cities of volunteer.

Walt Stanton, good good.

I wanted to throw those names out there.

Um yeah, so that that place was filled with radio tubes that goes that far back, which almost everyone here doesn't even know what radio tubes are, but some of us do.

So before that, if it's the building's not been replaced, before that, in the in the 50s and early 60s when I was a kid, that's where Parks and Wrecks stored all the football equipment and everything for flag football.

That could be the same building, yeah.

Anyway, um none of you care about that.

But when you reach our age, you know, you gotta live in the past a little bit.

Well, there used to be ball fields there too.

The software baseball field down there, and that's kind of where it all the recreation sports stuff centered around that building.

So it's been in the city's possession and use, and it's kind of cool, I guess, to wrap it up that that it's it's getting uh a new life and a new name, and and maybe uh new generations will get to maybe a really big sign.

Yeah, really big, like the pavilion.

Yeah.

We knew that was coming.

That was good.

Okay.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Seeing none, I would like to make the motion.

Supervisor Giomi.

I move to approve the art club as the name of the art building.

I second.

I have a motion and several seconds.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Any opposed, say no.

Let the record reflect that was unanimous.

Can't wait to see that one.

And this next one's super fun too.

Um this is discussion and possible action regarding a proposed public art donation from the Invisible Hands Foundation of a bronze sculpture of Mark Twain sitting on a bench.

Yes, thank you.

Again, Anna Freeman, Arts and Culture Supervisor for the record.

That pretty much covers it before you today is a proposed art donation from the Invisible Hands Foundation of a bronze sculpture of Mark Twain sitting on a bench.

This is a limited edition by artist Gary Lee Price titled Mark Twain 3.

And per the current public art policy, this donation requires board review due to its listed value of $59,800.

The policy also states that the city shall require the artist to warrant that the work is unique and limited to an addition of one unless stated to the contrary in a contract.

So I would note that this bench will be one of 40 identical benches available for purchase.

So if the board accepts the donation today, the district attorney's office would need to create a contract rather than using the existing form.

And is it if I remember right?

Is it my understanding on this edition?

The book that's being read is the roughing it instead of some of the other Mark Twain books.

So kind of fits fits our location.

I got that on a chore.

See I'm up on one thing there.

There you go.

But is that the book?

No, sure.

I could say for sure on the record.

Yeah, we'll follow up on that, but I think that's what I heard when the well, the people that are donating it.

That's what excited them on this edition.

The artist's website did not mention what book that is.

What was?

Yeah.

I got it from them.

But hopefully it's accurate.

It would be fun to see that as the book.

And there's only 40, so right?

We'll be unique.

Does any member have a question?

I do.

No.

Or yes.

I was just wondering about the comment here in the fiscal impact that the cost of maintenance is unknown.

While the cost may not be known, uh do you have a handle on what a maintenance is of this sort of um piece of art?

And and I ask that because it's it's pretty evident that we don't have a good handle on how to take care of what's in Da Vinci's mind.

Um I don't want this to become another one of those uh places that gives a community an opportunity to pick at us for not doing our jobs.

Thank you for the question.

Yes, um, this is a bronze sculpture intended for outdoor display.

Um so recommended maintenance includes um waxing the bronze uh once or twice a year, which would be something we would do with our um volunteer art or art volunteer days.

Um and it doesn't require any like specialty um training or anything like that.

Thank you.

Perfect.

I don't see any other questions.

Is there any public comment on this item?

Okay, I'll accept a motion, please.

Who doesn't like a good bronze waxing?

Uh I move to accept the donation of Mark Twain Three and authorize the parks recreation and open space department director to take any actions necessary to complete the donation.

Second I have a motion and a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye aye.

Any opposed say no.

Let the record reflect uh it was unanimous, and now you have to find out the book for me, just because I'm a little late.

But you can't tell the book title.

Yeah, thank you.

That'll be interesting to see.

Oh my come on, pick the right book.

Uh perfect.

We're now on to agenda item 19E.

Discussion on possible action on the park design, construction and residential construction tax for the East Lampa Dog Parks.

Mayor, can we open the next two together?

They're sort of sort of related.

No.

No.

One's the flood and one's the same developer, but it's not the same project.

Okay.

Well, they tie together, do they not?

They do.

Yeah.

Let's just we're gonna do 19E because it has late material too, so that everyone is aware, right?

There was late material.

Um, and so this is on dedication of the park and maintenance agreement.

Um thank you, Mayor and Council.

I am uh Ken Crater with Crater Consulting Group here to present this item today.

And also here today with me is Glenn Powell, a uh uh senior uh vice president of development for Guardian Capital, and also Amy Miskanowski, who's an engineer and hydrologist with Terra Phase.

The first thing we're gonna talk about is this uh East Lompa Ranch Park.

It's an improvement agreement that we've been working on for quite some time with staff.

And I have to just uh you've had a lot of these today, but I also want to compliment Carson City and your amazing staff.

Uh they've spent a lot of time on this issue, making sure that we have everything dialed in and they're hard working, they're smart, they're diligent, and I know you know how lucky you are to have them all.

Uh, the purpose of this agreement, the East Lumpa Ranch Park will memorialize both the city and developers' understanding with regard to the construction of certain amenities upon the park property, and to provide both the city and developer with certain rights and safeguards related to the development of the property.

The East Lumpa Park is located uh basically down near Airport and Bud Eye Way, and it's part of the requirement of the North Lumpa Ranch Pacific Plan.

It requires that this park be constructed by the developer prior to issuance of the 250th certificate of occupancy, and it is zoned and master plan for a park.

There's several benefits to Carson City, and this was really a key in working with your staff is to design something that is absolutely a benefit to Carson City.

Uh as I've said, this will be 100% developed and financed and constructed by the two apartment sites within the East Lumpa Ranch.

And it has been fully approved by Carson City.

We worked very closely with staff on the plans.

We came up with a preliminary concept, work through some of the issues, final uh improved the parks concept, and ultimately came up with a plan that was good enough to uh take to the parks commission and uh out for a little bit of public comment.

It'll also be a hundred percent maintained by the developers.

The North Lompa Ranch Pacific Plan Development Agreement has very specific requirements on uh how that park will be maintained.

It is eligible for credits against the regional or the uh um residential construction tax under NRS 278, so those will be applied, but uh that will only fund roughly five to six hundred thousand.

The cost is estimated around two million dollars.

So by and large, the developer will be putting out most of their own money to develop this park.

We did present this to the parks and rec open space committee for review and comment, and based on their input, we ended up adding some parking.

Uh they wanted to have some additional parking along North Lompa Ranch uh just for people to use that multi-purpose path that runs through that area by the N DOT uh um wetlands mitigation area along the freeway, and then also we added uh 20 spaces of parking within the park itself uh just to allow people a safe place to pull in and park and be able to walk their dogs.

We also met with the uh representative from the nearby humane society, and they love the concept.

And it's important to note that they told us that they won't let uh folks that walk the dogs go to the park just because of socialization and concerns that some of these dogs there aren't properly socialized, but they will have them walk by the park, and as part of the overall development of the first 24 acres of apartments, we're gonna actually build a pathway around the entire perimeter of that site and dedicate a public use easement to Carson City so the folks that do walk the Humane Societies will have a nice half-mile walk around the boundary of that project and and buy the park as they uh go through that that development.

When I first started looking at this site, and we talked about this a little bit before in in prior hearings, but uh North Lumpa Lane at one point was planned to bisect this 24-acre uh apartment project and tie directly into Desatoya Lane as a longtime traffic engineer.

That just didn't make any sense at me to me whatsoever that you would encourage folks to drive into a residential neighborhood where they really don't need to or want to go.

So I work with staff and reason redesigned North Olumpa Lane to parallel the freeway and come around the bottom of that project just north of the wetlands mitigation facility and tied directly into the intersection of Airport Road and Bud Eye Way.

It's a much better uh route from a traffic standpoint from a transportation planning standpoint.

It comes out at that always stop, but because of that, it bisected the three-acre park property.

So that's where we really had to work closely with staff.

Uh but I heard very clearly that that park really was intended to be a dog park.

That's really what the uh public comments have come for lately is we need more place to walk our dogs.

And I am familiar with dog parks and other projects.

And so we brought in an architectural firm calendar and associates, who is an award-winning landscape architectural firm who has designed multiple parks, dog parks, including many parks in northern Nevada, and I believe one or two here in Carson City working with staff.

And so we came up with a plan to have uh a park for smaller dogs on the north side of the road and larger dogs on the south side of the road.

We're going to have a crosswalk, and we're working with staff to put in a flashing beacon there to have a safe crossing.

It's located right by the parking lot, so it'll be safe and easy for people to cross the street to access the small dog park from the parking lot.

So I think in the end, everybody was very comfortable with that idea, and I think it'll work out really well.

And I think it's really the highest and best use of that space.

This shows the overall site plan, and the dog park is down in the lower portion, uh, bottom right portion of that exhibit.

And again, the larger dogs will uh frequent the park on the south of North Lumpa Lane and the smaller dogs to the north.

And you can see where North Lumpa Lane ties into Airport Road and Bud Eye Way.

We're gonna have vestibules in there for security with double gates for people to safely get their dogs into the facilities.

Uh, we'll have benches and the the areas where the dogs will run around will be lawn, and that was per direction with staff.

It's a little more maintenance cost, but it's much nicer for people that do walk their dogs.

We'll have uh the Mutt Mid stations and uh make sure that people clean up after their dogs.

And then we'll also have very nice uh uh landscaping around with uh mix of deciduous and evergreen trees that are drought tolerant, suitable for this environment, and will ultimately grow to provide shading for the dog park itself.

This is just a little larger blow up again, so you can see it a little bit better, very large turf areas for the dogs to run around.

You can see the southern areas largest just by the fact that it's larger dogs, so they'll have a little bit more room to run around.

And also we have direct ties from the parking lot into the multi-use path trail that runs around the NDOT wetlands mitigation area and along the freeway.

So people that park there will also be able to uh utilize that multi-purpose path.

And uh that completes my presentation, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

So, Ken, would you talk to me again on the parking places?

Because I I see something and count it and I hear something, and is it 19 spaces or 20?

20 spaces.

20.

Okay.

Because the document in one place said 19 and the other said 20.

And so it's 20 parking spaces.

Yeah, staff asked for 20, and that will also uh meet the assess accessibility requirements uh for parking too.

Yeah, I just wanted it on the record so everyone was aware because this said 19 and it's 20.

See, I can't actually count.

It's like something's not right here.

So thank you for that.

Supervisor Giomi.

Um, isn't there um as I read in here?

There's some.

I mean, we're asked to approve the agreement, but there's some pending items that still have to happen.

And I guess my my question is, and and I I think this is a great addition between this, and I know the mayor didn't open the next one, but between these two, there are some major benefits to um cities infrastructure and our citizenry here.

So I'm not trying to poo-poo the idea.

I just want to make sure we have protections that um, you know, if we approve the agreement, do we still have the ability to hold them to following through on the things that they're required to follow through on?

That's what I wanted to make sure of.

Thank you, Supervisor Geometry, Jennifer Budge, Parks and Recreation Director.

Um there's obviously a lot of steps, and I wrote in your staff report that the steps that still need to happen before everything's completed.

They're still working on their parcel map.

If one of your questions I believe was if we didn't agree on terms for the maintenance agreement um what liability potentially could the city have for that um there I think there's uh well first of all we would not accept the land unless we have a maintenance agreement that's a condition of that which is clearly spelled out let's say we can't do that there's it's probably a potential litigation item but not really a liability to the city um if they fail to construct the park or um I've been um had the unfortunate experience where we had a developer go bankrupt during a project and we pulled their bond so we have tools in our toolbox in the agreement to be able to make sure that the project is complete to the standard and if they weren't able to say create the maintenance association we could create an LMD landscape maintenance district.

So that's all spelled out so we have some fallback steps um I don't anticipate any of those things happening but um they've been a great partner they've listened to everything that we've requested they were very responsive to the Humane Society's requests to um the park commission's comments um and I I really don't um anticipate any any challenges I I mean it just based on your presentation and the paperwork you put together I I wouldn't anticipate it either but I I but it begs the question why do we have to do this now versus waiting until we're ready to do it.

Well it's also in their conditions of approval it's a required step in the um in the conditions of approval for the development so they're trying to get everything in place so they can break ground and we don't want to hold them up but there these this is a required step to have the agreement in place.

Okay one thing I can add to your question too which I think will be helpful is we also cooperated very closely with the owner of the three acre park property Mr.

Asuto Sharda who has also been great in this process and uh he uh was involved in the review of the park design and the creation of the parcel maps and he has since signed the parcel map with that includes the offer of dedication not just for the park but also North Lumpalane so there's been a very complicated process that we've been working through with staff on this to make sure that we dot the I's and cross all the T's but essentially now with the approval of this agreement today that sets in motions to be able to submit the security agreement the bonds and pay the fees for the permits and start construction and then that will also uh cause the parcel maps to be recorded not just this parcel map for the dog park but the merger and resubdivision map for the overall 24 acre project so that then allows us to actually pull the permits to start construction.

So this is part of a process that staff has put together for us we're in full agreement that it's a good process and we're being very diligent to make sure that we dot the I's and cross the T's in our end so we can abide by the process that's been laid out by staff.

Well I I appreciate you putting that on the record I you know I think overall that this is um the kind of project that in Carson City we like it's got open space it's got trails uh it it's got housing um so I I applaud you on that regard and uh I just hope it turns out as nice as you're making it sound um I have no reason to believe that it won't um but um I I'm I'm um I'm well I will be supportive of it I just had to have those sort of answered in my mind and I appreciate putting on the record and I I can tell you the developers involved in this they have a fantastic track record of creating multiple successful projects they've been there done that so thank you.

One other point I should make out too is we included assignment language in the agreement so should the partners change what happens with development it will assign and go with the land it'll be recorded against the property so I think there's some additional protections for the public with that.

I did see that and and I I think that was smart to make sure we had that language so um I don't know if you had your you know junior attorney hat on or if it was the actual attorney who did that but thank you both I don't see any further questions is there any public comment on this item Mr.

French it's not green but you can pick it up there you go.

Yes.

It's not green, but you can pick it up.

There you go.

Denny French Carson City.

One of the things I thought I found in the um agreement papers on 19 uh I would say E was the word perpetuity, that the care of this area would be in perpetuity.

It was that part of the agreement because that word was defined to me as not an existing existing legal term anymore.

So did I get that wrong?

Yes, but the maintenance responsibility is in perpetuity.

And that will be outlined in the maintenance agreement, which hasn't been created yet.

But I'm suggesting that I was told in in the fact that I'm making a comment, and I appreciate the feedback.

But I was it was my understanding we can ask Mr.

Hugh, perhaps if that term isn't relevant anymore because of its translation being not it's been overseen uh Fuji Park situation, perpetuity was dumped, and we were told that perpetuities is only as long as we want it to be.

Now I just would want it to be defined or taken out.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Do I have any other public comments?

Not seeing any.

I'll bring it back up to the board for a motion.

Who's gonna do this one?

I move to Supervisor Giomo.

Go ahead.

You've got it, Lisa.

I move to approve the agreement as presented and authorize the director to issue a notice of completion.

Accept the dedication of the park property and enter into a maintenance agreement with the maintenance association on behalf of the city.

Um I have a motion and a second on discussion.

Supervisor White.

Thank you.

Um I do not necessarily disagree with the dog park.

In fact, I think it'll be probably pretty cool.

Uh I do have to say that on uh two occasions uh I have voted uh no uh on this project.

Uh both on the zoning map amendment and um the Lompelane uh extension, and and I feel I should just remain consistent and not support this today.

But I think a dog park's a good idea.

Okay.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, please say no.

No, let the record reflect it was four yeses and one no.

Thank you so much.

We're now gonna move on with and the only reason I didn't open them both up, one is public works and one is parks.

So completely different focus now.

We're gonna go on to agenda item 20A, discussion and possible action again with greater consulting group for a flood volume mitigation improvement agreement.

Um Mr.

Potei, Jennifer, which one's starting this one?

Are you guys gonna do that too?

I I'd like to kick it off.

Go for it.

Um, and the reason for that is just because um those of you that are familiar with development, specifically development in a floodplain, maybe familiar that this isn't how uh development of floodplain is typically done.

Typically, a development will do their own mitigation on site.

Typically, what that looks like is any amount of fill in the floodplain, you have an equal amount of cut.

That's kind of an oversimplification, but generally that's what happens.

So with this particular project, there's some history going back to 2018.

There was a tentative map that came before this body, and at that time uh the chief stormwater engineer Rob Fellows, who some of you probably remember, uh saw an opportunity for the city here.

So the main thing I wanted to bring up is that this idea was initiated by the city because of the benefit to the city because of the uh critical infrastructure that we have in this area, specifically the wastewater treatment plant being the main concern.

But um to shed some light on what's going on with the the flood zone itself.

If you can imagine um being at a low point on a bank of a river or a stream in a high water event, you would expect that to fill up kind of like if you're at your favorite beach on a river during a high water event, it would be full, but the water's not necessarily moving.

It doesn't have a lot of carrying capacity for the flood waters.

Um so that's what's going on with the development area.

It's a low area that that fills up during a high water event.

And then another thing that's going on is downstream, the channel is constricted.

So in a high water event, that constriction limits how much water can go through, uh, causing the water level to rise, um, which causes water to to go onto the development property.

The benefit to the city is that when you reduce that constriction, it doesn't just benefit the development property, it also benefits our properties as well, specifically our critical infrastructure.

So just wanted to bring that up that it was a city initiated idea because of the benefit to the city.

And with that, I'll pass it over to the development team.

Thank you again for the record, Ken Crater with Creator Consulting Group.

I'm gonna let Amy take over here because she's truly the expert in hydrology, but same thing with the park agreement.

This was a very complex design and agreement, and we spent a lot of time working with staff, and I know they have countless hours into this, but I'm gonna let Amy give the presentation just because of her background in hydrology.

Good afternoon.

Amy Meisnikowski with Terraphase Engineering.

As Ken mentioned, um I sort of led the technical analysis supporting this project.

Um so I'll take the next few minutes to walk you through it a bit more.

Um the purpose of the two agreements is to provide both the city and the developer with certain rights and safeguards related to the development of the property and flood mitigation on the Moffitt open space property and on the wastewater treatment plant property.

And um to back up a bit and give more of an overview, um, we've got a location map up for you to look at.

And the Lompa Ranch development located on the left side of the figure, um, which you saw in the previous presentation.

Um, that's where the development is occurring.

Um, and this parcel, as um Stephen mentioned, is partially located in a floodplain.

Um, so one of the requirements that the city has is that fill that's placed in a floodplain must be offset or mitigated somewhere else.

Um that's where these other two projects come into play.

Um of them is called out as the channel restoration area, which is located on the wastewater treatment plant uh property.

This is um the larger of the two mitigation projects.

This is where a majority of the volume mitigation is coming from.

This is um a project that was already permitted and approved.

Um, and then on the Moffitt open space parcel um is our second mitigation project where we are um proposing two sort of restoration areas which will provide that remaining flood mitigation volume that's needed to offset the development.

Um if you're familiar with the Moffitt open space parcel, it's a wonderful space.

Um it's utilized every day by people in the community riding their bike, walking their dog.

Um, and we really wanted to add to the community with this project.

Um, some of the benefits that we're really focused on with this project are um supporting or restoring the floodplain area.

We're doing this with um native vegetation to create or enhance the wetland riparian areas.

Um we also want to um enhance the community aspects with trails, interpretive signing, um, benches, just to make it more enjoyable for the public.

Um, as mentioned, we've been working a lot with the city on this to make sure that we are um meeting all the requirements that um are put out there, but also just supporting the open space community objectives.

Um, and then also a big component of this is maintenance.

Um, we want to make sure that long-term maintenance is really minimal.

We don't need to be out there every year doing maintenance.

Um, we want a site that can function really effectively on its own with very little maintenance.

Um, so this is a site plan that shows um the two restoration areas.

So one is going to be um to the north of Eagle Canyon Creek, and the second will be to the south of Eagle Canyon Creek.

Um, and we chose this location because they have the it's a great hydraulic connection to the creek.

And we did lots of hydraulic modeling to look at the effectiveness of this area to make sure that that connectivity is as best as we can really create it.

And the next slide, it shows a little bit prettier graphic of what we really want to accomplish out here.

So in the restoration areas, the way they'll function, you can follow the yellow orange arrows.

And that's showing the path that water will take through these restoration areas under more frequent storm event conditions.

So when we have higher flow conditions, water will overtop some natural spillways into these restoration areas.

It'll utilize all of that space to provide floodplain storage, and then water is going to flow back out into Eagle Canyon Creek.

Those will be used during construction for access, but also restored to trails after construction's been completed.

We are working with Calendar and Associates on this project as well.

They are really familiar with the area and they've got a great knowledge of what vegetation will really thrive in this area.

So we've been working with them to create a great landscaping plan with native drought tolerant plants to make sure that they are thriving in this condition.

And the next slide is just a few more native drought tolerant plants.

And another aspect is the construction equipment.

This is obviously it's right next to Eagle Canyon Creek.

And we want to make sure that we are protecting those areas as much as possible.

So the equipment that's being utilized is going to keep equipment basically out of the creek, out of the waterways with as little disturbance as possible.

And we're keeping a very narrow working boundary around these restoration areas.

So we're not extending to you know borderline wetlands and areas that need to stay protected.

Really want to highlight the benefits that this project has.

The community value in itself I think is just going to be amazing.

But also the flood protection that this project will provide.

The modeling that we would submit through FEMA would also include taking the emergency operations center out of the floodplain to get that formally documented.

It provides a lot of flood protection for the city's corporate yard, portions of Airport Road, and the Lompa Ranch development area.

And if we go to the next slide, we've got a graphic where you can actually see all of the areas that would be removed from the 100-year floodplain boundary shown in the cross hatch.

Um so as I mentioned, um, you know, my previous slide, the EOC, the wastewater treatment plant, corporate yard areas, um, as well as the LOMPA um development.

Um, and with that, I'm happy to answer any technical questions you may have.

Uh I think Ken may want to add a few things though.

Yes, I just wanted to also add again, Ken Crater, that uh one of the big concerns staff had obviously was maintenance.

So we did a 40-year life cycle cost analysis on what it would take to maintain this facility, uh, everything from after a big 100-year storm event going in and cleaning out the silt and debris that enter into the basin, dealing with noxious weeds, uh, repair and replacement of the bench and landscaping over time, and that 40 year life cycle cost analysis was then brought to a present value to come up with an ad down an endowment amount to give the Carson City, and that amount is included in the agreement.

So uh basically the developer will be writing a check to the city for that endowment amount, which will provide the funding that they need for long-term maintenance.

And the reason that we use a 40-year life cycle analysis uh with these type of engineering issues is beyond 40 years, the math doesn't really change in terms of what the uh principal uh value is that present value.

And so that's a standard uh that we use in that lifecycle cost analysis.

So that's how we came up with an amount to provide to Carson City so they'll have m the money needed to maintain this for a long time.

And we were very conservative too.

Uh Amy and her cohort, Mark Guken, I think feel that we won't have anywhere near the amount of siltation that we planned for that basin.

So hopefully it'll be a net positive to the city through the years.

And that concludes our presentation.

Thank you so much.

Supervisor Horton.

Hi, I'm just curious.

Did you model the flow with the Mexican ditch flume involved, or did you stop prior to that?

So the model that we were using is the FEMA effective model, um, which actually for that reach it stops right before the Mexican ditch flume.

So our modeling did not include anything downstream of that.

Okay, thank you.

Stephen, that's something you might want to look at.

Supervisor White.

Thank you.

Um couple of questions, I guess.

So the Moffat open space is in uh open space uh inventory, right?

Does it have any special exemptions?

It operates like all open space does with question 18.

Supervisor Waite Jennifer Budge, Parks and Recreation Director.

Yes, it is in the inventory, but I would say that every open space that we have is unique.

And so there's always not a standard.

And because the creek goes through here, I think it is a very unique property.

So I read on page 437 that this construction project is intended to provide flood storage needed to support the LOMPA Ranch East Development.

A little later on, it says this approach increases the available flood storage capacity, offsets plan fill from the development.

Certainly, flood mitigation is very important, but um as I understand question 18, construction on open space properties is restricted to things like trailheads uh and trails, minor little disturbances such as that.

I I don't find uh anywhere in question 18 that allows construction on an open space property for the benefit of a developer.

Actually, um Supervisor White flood storage and flood mitigation is expressly um listed as a potential purpose for open space and question 18 funding.

We actually, as the city could construct at our own expense, even to help support and protect the public and neighboring properties using question 18 funding.

So it is expressly listed.

It was in the voter approved bond, and then that chart that I provided for all of you way back when when we did an overview of that flood storage and mitigation was expressly listed.

For the benefit of the developer.

Not for the benefit of the developer.

But I think there's a lot of benefits to the city and to the open space for this project.

Lindsay's here, Lindsay Boyer, she can highlight all of the, if you'd like, all of the benefits from an open space perspective and a natural resource perspective, if you'd like to hear that.

Okay.

Supervisor Giomi.

You know, I I think this is a scenario where I don't think it's any question that this benefits the developer, because otherwise they're gonna have to take a chunk of that land that they would normally be able to build on and store the water on that land.

Um but and I'm I'm sure they could do that, maybe it doesn't pencil if they do that.

But but the the next step to that is that that doesn't that could be done in such a way that we get no benefit out of it for the city.

And and I know that in the floods that uh going back to when I've worked, Curtis worked, uh, one of the big issues we've had with our wastewater treatment plant is the inundation of the plant with flood water.

And the fact that when that water enters that treatment plant, it has to be treated.

You can't you uh I mean anything that gets into the sewer system, um, and and that's a huge capacity problem for the treatment plant.

Um so any flood mitigation that we can do uh or or can be done that protects as we stated that info infrastructure and removes this many critical parcels out of the hundred-year floodplain.

Um and I assume there'll be a lomar approved before any of this gets done.

I mean, you don't have a lomar yet, right?

I mean, that's you still have to submit, or do you have a partial a lomar for part of it or so the LOMPA branch development is operating off of a Clomar F, which is the conditional letter of map revision based on fill.

Um, however, we are um nearing finalization to submit a CLOMAR, which would include both of these mitigation projects, um, remove the wastewater treatment facility from the flood zones as well as the EOC.

And how much did how much changed on the development site from the existing Clomar to what you're planning to do here?

In other words, did you decrease have you decreased the amount of fill on your parcel?

I uh I can answer that again for the record, Ken Crater.

Um with the work that we've done, the modeling, the plans for the wastewater treatment plant and Moffitt, it will remove the apartment site from the flood zone.

But in order to make our site drain, now that it's out of the flood zone, we can add more fill to have positive drainage.

It's so flat, right?

It doesn't drain very well.

So we end up with the most fill on the north end of the site, so it can drain to the south and it's natural direction of drainage.

I get that.

I I guess my question is comparing the two.

You obviously, since you have a clomar, you had to have that clomar without this downstream work, right?

And so is that fill level here?

I'm oversimplifying this, I'm not an engineer.

If that fill level is here and we do this agreement, are you able to do the fill level here?

Or does it not even change it?

I mean, are are you changing the fill level because you're able to do this downstream work?

No, yeah, it doesn't change the fill level.

That's I guess what I'm getting at.

Yeah.

So the key was to get it out of the floodplain and then bringing enough fill to make it drain.

Okay.

Um and I I'll also want to add this is important is the Clomar is being done right now, which basically goes through FEMA and shows FEMA that when this work is completed, that with completion of the work, it will have the intended impact and benefits and take that area out of the floodplain.

Then once the work is 100% completed and signed off by Carson City, then we'll go and submit a letter of map revision which will formally remove it from the firm maps from FEMA.

Yeah, you have to do the work before you get the real LOMAR.

I get that.

But um I I think um Yeah, I I mean I think overall, yes, it's benefiting the developer.

Um, but I I in my mind, I don't think there's any question that it's benefiting our citizenry and our critical infrastructure that we would not otherwise be spending millions of dollars to do this work.

I uh we are very familiar, Lisa and I sitting on CWSD.

The cost of area drainage or or or drainage work is is very expensive.

Um dollars in most cases, and to get this essentially for nothing, um, in my opinion, is something we shouldn't look uh askew at.

If I can add one more benefit to that we didn't discuss, again, Ken Crater for the record.

If we did the mitigation work on site, it clearly wouldn't have those same downstream impacts, but also you would have less housing, and this is a great workforce housing project.

So more units is going to provide more workforce housing and is also going to bring more tax revenue to Carson City.

You're not committing this as a workforce housing project.

That is the current plans that it will be workforce housing in the 80 to 120 AMI.

I have not heard that.

I mean, that is another huge benefit that to me pushes it easily over the finish line in my opinion.

Thank you.

I don't see any other uh questions from the board.

Is there any public comment on this item, Mr.

French?

I apologize for the verbals.

Sometimes not really question.

I just want to jump up and down, and I guess I did.

The deal is that Denny French, Carson City.

I'm opposed to having our open space be a way that some developer can not have to do the mitigations on their own property.

I do understand that if we need to have something done because of our sewer and water treatment situation, that then we have those options.

We can use our open space for such.

The lack of consideration for the environment there, the ecosystem that exists is terrible.

The fact that they're gonna bring in plants to sort of mimic or at least adjust that area again back to some normalcy.

The fact that we're getting growth is because we have private property.

The fact that we need housing, that can do that's fine.

I understand all of that.

The disregard though, I think, for our open space in this particular situation is rude, and it's not done with malice.

I think it's just done for convenience and maybe just uh an oversight of the natural that's there as opposed to how you're mitigating it for building.

And I think it's wrong in this case, and I understand we want to protect our water system, sewer system, and our treatment plant.

This is not the way to mitigate their problem on our open space.

Thank you very much.

Is there any other public comment?

Okay, I'll bring it back up to the board with just a uh Mr.

Pote.

If we were to do a flood mitigation project ourselves to pretend they weren't even in existence and we were gonna do one, um, would we be using the this open space area to accomplish that same goal, or would we do it differently?

Um there's a high likelihood that we would.

I mean, you'd have to actually go through the T, but I'm the exercise of modeling it and you know, period.

But certainly it would be on the table for the same methodology for us to do a mitigation project.

What I'm trying to get to is I'm seeing this as a win-win, because we're accomplishing something we need done that would cost our taxpayers dollars, and I would use that space to accommodate that.

That that's really what my question is versus I'm solely doing this for the benefit of a developer.

Darren Schultz for the record, public works director.

Um, since I've been here, um, this uh mitigation of this type has been on the table.

Um there's two options.

We can either build a flood wall um to the north side of our treatment plant along the channel, and that will protect it from being flooded.

The second option is to remove material so that there is more storage there and and water can flow through there, which is what we're talking about today.

So that has been on our list um for many, many years.

We haven't got to it because of the cost of it and um other competing priorities, but it doesn't.

So this is an opportunity to take it off of our list.

Um, and and that's why we feel like it's a win-win in terms of trading.

So perfect.

I thought I just it's good to put it on the record as to why's are always important.

Um Supervisor Shuddy.

Thank you.

Can you go back on um your presentation to the Moffat open space area and there we go.

So I don't I see this as an improvement, the open space.

And um so Jen, can you speak to that a little bit?

Or Lindsay, thank you.

Lindsay Boyer, open space manager for the record.

So this is absolutely an improvement of the existing open space.

Right now, it was mentioned earlier that creek is incredibly restricted.

It's also not functioning at an ecological level that it is meant to.

We have uh noxious weeds coming right up to the edge of the creek.

We have riparian vegetation coming up right to the creek.

That tells us that there is a disconnection with the floodplain that is important for sustaining riparian vegetation.

So right now, it's really not functioning as it should.

It's not providing the wildlife habitat that it should.

And so by doing a project like this where you're expanding and increasing the flood storage, you're also expanding how much area is inundated with water.

We're putting in those hosts of native plants.

Um we're gonna be increasing the riparian vegetation here, which is critical for um having a functional floodplain and uh more wildlife habitat in this area.

So if this was something, you know, Moffitt's been on our radar for a while of like how do we restore that area and make it more functional?

This is a win-win for us.

We're getting it for free, we're getting a maintenance endowment to take care of it and perpetuate uh well for a long time.

Um so you know, I I see this as uh a no-brainer, honestly.

Thank you.

Can I have a follow-up on that?

Uh sure.

So somewhere in here I read that there won't be any work done in the creek.

Why won't there be any work done in the creek if if it's so constricted as you say, yes.

Uh Amy Magznikowski for the record.

Um so as I mentioned earlier, we are utilizing um natural spillways for overtopping to occur between the creek and these restoration areas.

And to we we did a lot of hydraulic modeling with different storm events to see what that elevation needed to be for somewhere between the two and five year storm event um to overtop this creek uh or overtop the the spillway into these restoration areas.

Um so the and the intent is that over time that natural spillway will um lower it will it'll naturally um connect more um over time with these storm events.

Um but the the design storm criteria and that elevation was um something we looked at very thoroughly.

And for the record, Ken Crater, this isn't the first time this has been done.

This is a very popular technique, and I'm familiar with it from work that I did in Plumas County where we got grants from the fish and game department to do what we called up then plug and pond techniques, and these ponds ultimately do reach natural balance with the elevations, topography with the flood events, and uh create just great wildlife habitat, great space for native plant growth, and actually then crowd out the noxious weeds and reduce the noxious weeds.

So these have been used very effectively, and I've seen before and after photographs of different areas where they've been used in, and the the results are just amazing.

Thank you.

Okay, Supervisor Horton.

Thank you.

Um I can tell you that everything that Darren said is completely accurate and what Stacey said is accurate.

I've been involved in numerous meetings about this ditch and this creek on I don't know how many occasions, mostly after every time we had a flood.

Uh Rob Fellows and I and other staff uh have evaluated a program very similar to this, almost exactly this.

And it does need to be done, and this is a great project.

And it will help us, it will benefit the community very much so.

Supervisor Giomi.

Um, did you uh would it benefit from uh like a uh beaverdam analog um somewhere to sort of um you know I assume you're familiar with those or use of them in terms of storing water?

Um in in terms of um dispersing water uh into the floodplain.

Um so we just did a tour in Alpine County where um What is it Faith Valley?

Uh it is Faith Valley, uh where the Carson River coming through the Faith Valley was uh they built a series of I don't know, 30 or 40 beaver dam analogs, which are fake beaver dams basically.

Um and what it does is it prevents or reduces channelization um of the creek.

So obviously what happens over time, the Grand Canyon's the the massive example of that, right?

That the that the canyon gets bigger and bigger and there's less repairing area and less um healthy uh as as Lindsay said, um less healthy area in the in the floodplain.

And so um it seems to me I it doesn't sound like you modeled that, but this would be something where perhaps in the future if we could do one or two of those in here that would then as the water rose sort of um push the channel and disperse the channel into the floodplain, um which again has the benefit of improving that vegetation, growing the vegetation and decreasing the channelization of the creek over time.

Um and maybe it'll occur anyway, just based on the way you're describing it with with willow growth in the channel or all of that kind of stuff tends to slow the speed of water and uh allow it to overtop, as you said.

So um beaverdab analogs just speed that up basically.

Again, Ken Crater for the record, uh yeah, absolutely.

You know, that's something that could just happen naturally or be worth looking at, but the beauty of this project is we will excavate 56,000 cubic yards out between the wastewater treatment plant and Moffat.

So we get a lot of instant bang for your buck that could take decades or centuries for beavers to do.

And and the the last comment I'll make is just um, you know, we at Cursome Motor Subconservancy, we review uh a lot of area drainage master plans, probably in my almost seven years on that board.

I I would guess we've probably reviewed three or four a year.

Um this mitigation method is used over and over and over again in those area drainage master plans as probably the number one way to manage flood water.

Um channeling is great, um, but those channels fill up over time with silt and debris.

Um and so a natural solution like this is always the best.

It's also always the most expensive or almost always the most expensive.

So the fact that we can do this um without us spending our taxpayer dollars is a huge benefit.

Okay.

Uh would somebody like to make a motion?

Supervisor Giomi.

It's a long one.

I have to read a lot.

Uh I move to approve the lease per lease purchase terms as presented and direct the city manager to continue with all this Did I say something wrong?

Am I in the wrong one?

Yeah.

Oh, sorry.

I flipped forward.

Strike that.

Because you thought we're almost there.

Yeah.

I was like, wait, wrong agreement.

It's a very short one.

I can get through the very easily.

That's why I thought he was just motion.

I moved to approve the agreement as presented.

There we go.

I second all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed say no.

No.

Let the record reflect it was four yeses and one no.

Uh thank you.

We look forward to seeing a very successful project.

So we're now on to agenda item 21.

That'll teach you for being funny all day.

Um he has been funny.

Uh this is our time where we can do some non-action items.

So I would like to make sure everyone is aware.

Uh tomorrow morning in front of the um Capitol, we will be greeting the 6800 mile relay from California to Delaware, where they carry a copy of the Declaration of Independence from coast to coast.

My good friend Jeannie Young is carrying it on behalf of Carson City.

So we will greet her there.

That is tomorrow, 9:30 at the Capitol.

And just thought in case you'd like to come and be bored with my little speech, but uh it should be a nice little again continuing for the 250 year celebration and things.

So we'll have the declaration in a baton.

Does anybody else have anything to share?

I don't see any hands raised.

We're good.

Oh, just on the sorry, just on the um conversation about water.

Yesterday at uh CWSD, we actually uh toured flood areas from Runstrap that occurred, and it it really was a a huge deal and huge costs and um and then um just really uh Reed Cousins uh talked about the um in his general manager's report, uh talked about the watershed and uh Nevada water management updates, and that was really interesting.

You know, we do have to be mindful of surface rights versus groundwater rights and all that that entails.

So um it was an excellent meeting and perfectly timed for today's discussion.

I don't see anyone also.

Oh, I don't final public comments not till this evening.

I I don't have a different meeting.

And I'll have a final public comment this evening for that.

The Board of Supervisors back to order.

We're on agenda item 24A, which had a time specific for 5:30.

So this is uh discussion and possible action regarding some lease purchase agreement term sheets provided by Hopp and May Adams in discussion on a new city hall.

Um Mr.

Martell, our city our project manager for this.

Why don't you uh take us through?

Yes, Mayor Project Manor, that's an official title I've not had for a while, but thank you.

And good evening, board.

Um, as you know, on March 13th of this year, this board authorized the initiation of due diligence and the commencement of completion of any other preparatory tasks for entering into agreements for the planning, financing, construction, and operation of a new city hall.

This evening, we are here as your team to follow up, seek any additional guidance, and provide transparency.

Tonight you will hear information supporting the approval of the term sheet in support of a construction of a new city hall and an accompanying parking garage at the northeast corner of North Plaza Street and East Proctor Street, directly east of what we call affectionately call the brick.

While the tentative site plan is on the screen, I would like to take a moment to provide some updates on some information that I've heard the last couple of weeks, and just would like to make sure the board understands uh some of this information.

First off, some rumor had it that Stewart Street was going to be converted to one way as a part of this project.

That is in fact not the case.

There has been no discussion on turning Stewart Street into one way either direction.

And in fact, um, I'm sure if I tried to do that, Darren, your public works director would uh laugh me out of the room.

Secondly, a contractor has not been selected for the proposed city hall or the parking garage.

This selection would occur only after plans are developed and are bid in accordance with applicable laws.

As you know, the foundation, in fact, has agreed to have your contracts administrator monitor that process from development of plans to bidding to bid opening to make sure that process is transparent.

That is not the fact.

Essentially, from the extension of Fall Street east to Valley, and from second on the north to fourth on the south, roughly speaking.

And with that, I'll hand it over to the team for their presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening.

For the record, Stephanie Hicks, Deputy City Manager.

Based on feedback that we've received, I'd like to start our presentation by taking you through the background and history that we discussed at the March similar to the March 19th meeting.

However, first I'd like to share some background about me.

I hold a professional certification from the American Institute of Certified Planners, and I have 25 years of planning experience, including land use, strategic planning, and public infrastructure planning.

I've worked both in the public sector as well as private land development consulting.

When I came to the city in 2016, I served as the city's real property manager for three and a half years.

My duties during that time included implementation and management of the city's asset management program, conducting studies and property values and maintenance costs, and completion of a comprehensive facility condition assessment of the 149 city buildings and facilities.

I've served as your deputy city manager for almost seven years, and one of my first assignments in this position was the preparation of the city's strategic plan.

During my time with the city, I've been involved in almost every aspect of the city's space needs and facility planning.

The Board of Supervisors has been addressing citywide space needs and potential construction of a new city hall since 2015, when the extraordinary maintenance fund was first created.

As uh the city manager indicated, discussions have spanned over a decade, driven by courthouse expansion requirements, fragmented city services, and the need for a centralized customer service center.

Between 2019 and 2021, the board prepared and approved the strategic plan, which included tactics to complete a citywide space needs assessment, evaluate the courthouse expansion, relocate the clerk recorder, and acquire or lease space for a centralized customer service center.

In July of 2021, the board directed staff to proceed with disposing of 108 East Proctor Street and acquiring 600 East William Street to consolidate the city's most visited offices.

Negotiations ceased in December of 2021 when the 800 East William Street property appraised below the owner's asking price.

In 2021 and 2022, staff evaluated 3850 Arrowhead Drive or the old Harley Davidson building, and 3246 North Carson Street, which is in the Kmart Shopping Center, as well as other leasing options.

At the February 25th, 2022 Board of Supervisors retreat, the board reviewed options to build a new city hall, expand the existing city hall, and sell buildings to generate capital, including looking at the Harley Davidson and Kmart shopping center buildings.

Current square footage utilization and estimated growth needs were provided, and at that time it totaled approximately 44,000 square feet.

The board directed staff to explore expanding the courthouse and emphasized that City Hall should remain downtown.

At the September 1st, 2022 board meeting, TSK architects presented options for a new courtroom, clerk recorder relocation, office space, reallocation, and the courthouse expansion.

Alternatives included relocating services to the Kmart shopping center or constructing a new 44,000 square foot city hall.

Staff continued exploring options in 2022 and 2023, including a new city hall and possible parking garage along Musser Street.

At the 2025 board retreat, the board considered a proposal from the Hopp and May Adams Foundation to construct a new city hall with a parking garage on their downtown property.

The board directed staff at that time to explore the feasibility of the proposal and associated public-private partnerships.

On June 5th, 2025, the board approved a contract with TSK architects for the courthouse renovation project, requiring relocation of the clerk recorder and department of alternative sentencing.

An option to lease space at 600 East Williams Street did not come to fruition.

In September of 2025, the board directed staff to adjust the project scope, allowing the clerk recorder to remain in the courthouse until a permanent relocation in a new city hall could occur.

In March of this year, the board directed the city manager to proceed with negotiations with the Hop and May Adams Foundation for the design, construction, and purchase of a new city hall located downtown.

Staff was directed to return with proposed financing terms for discussion, and we are bringing those terms forward to you today.

The board has discussed space needs and city hall options at at least seven formal meetings since 2021, demonstrating a thorough and deliberate process.

So why downtown?

Going back to the February 2022 meeting when we had the discussion with this board about possible locations for a new city hall, the board made it very clear that downtown was the preferred location.

The existing city hall is located downtown in close proximity to the state capital, the legislature, and other state buildings, making coordination with those entities easier.

City Hall should be placed at the heart of civic life as a city center.

The new city hall is envisioned as a cornerstone of downtown revitalization designed to enhance economic vitality, attract visitors, and improve lifestyle amenities for all Carson City residents.

And downtown areas are usually the most accessible parts of a city with public transportation, major roads, and pedestrian infrastructure.

Being downtown allows the city hall to be close to business, cultural institutions, and public gatherings.

It will consolidate city administration, increase operational efficiency, and provide a modern, accessible space for public engagement and city services.

But there's also a symbolic importance to placing a city hall in a prominent cultural location which reinforces its visibility and importance.

A city hall serves as a symbol of local government and civic pride.

Additionally, City Hall being downtown directly supports Carson City's strategic goals, including economic development.

It will be a cornerstone of the downtown revitalization.

Efficient government by consolidating city services and operational efficiencies.

Quality of life by improving lifestyle amenities for all residents, fostering growth in our businesses, and providing accessible space for public engagement and city services, city services, excuse me.

Sustainable infrastructure.

Often we talk about not planning for today, but needing to look out on that horizon 10 years, 20 years from now.

A new city hall will have a useful life for 50 years, setting up for the next generation.

This proposal provides a unique opportunity to be part of something bigger, or to be forward thinkers, as Jed Block stated this morning.

It provides an opportunity, perhaps a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, to create a town square.

In addition to being in alignment with the city's strategic plan, City Hall located downtown is in alignment with the recently adopted master plan.

Chapter 6 of the Master Plan states that downtown Carson City is the heart and soul of our community.

The master plan specifically recommends seeking public-private partnerships for catalyst projects and prioritizing downtown revitalization as a key community goal.

Section 6.2C encourages infill of vacant parcels and the redevelopment of underutilized properties when adaptive reuse is not feasible.

It supports opportunities to consolidate smaller lots where necessary to increase the viability of redevelopment.

It also encourages collaboration with property owners, developers, and the community to define the desired mix of uses and other parameters for larger redevelopment sites.

Section 6.2F encourages seeking opportunities for public-private partnerships on individual projects with the potential to play a major role or serve as a future model for revitalization efforts.

Additionally, Chapter 5 of the Carson City Master Plan states that the city will continue to approach economic development activities using collaborative approaches that leverage available state resources and encourage cooperation between public and private sector with other agencies and jurisdictions as appropriate.

Section 5.4D encourages providing the public services and public facilities necessary to sustain a high quality of life and attract business investment.

Circling back for a moment to the strategic plan, since I tend to live in that world quite a bit, the Carson City Fiscal Year 2022 and 2026 strategic plan was adopted by the Board of Supervisors and is explicitly described as a roadmap for Carson City, which will decide and guide decisions for the next five years and beyond.

The purpose of a strategic plan is to set priorities, to focus our energies and resources, to strengthen operations, and to ensure that employees and other stakeholders are working towards common goals.

While the board sets those priorities, it is the city manager and executive staff who are tasked with carrying them out operationally.

Over the past five years, staff has been executing your tactics.

And the following nine tactics that we have listed above have been or will be accomplished through this proposed project.

Complete a space needs assessment citywide, starting with the courthouse.

Evaluate expansion of the Carson City Justice Municipal Court to accommodate additional courtroom.

Relocate the clerk recorder public administrator office to a space capable of housing all departments and meeting each of their respective security staffing and storage requirements, as well as allow for public parking and access to be used as a polling location.

Acquire or lease new office space to create a centralized customer service center.

Use available redevelopment and grant funds to develop a five-year redevelopment expenditures and establish programs to retain existing businesses and stimulate new investments.

Explore the possibility of a standalone convention center.

Work with local, state, and federal partners to identify projects and programs that can provide a mutual benefit.

Find a location to reuse the engine house or roundhouse arch.

Integrate public art into gateway improvements, parks, and other capital projects.

The city hall proposal before you today aligns perfectly with the city strategic plan and the city's master plan.

It is my opinion as a professional planner and your deputy city manager that the proposed project is in the best interest of our residents and businesses.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor, board members for the record, Robert Ellis, City Asset Services Manager.

For the record, I'm a certified public manager and hold the designation of senior right-a-way agent with the International Right-Away Association.

I joined the city six years ago as your real property manager.

For the last three years, I've been the in the expanded role of the city asset services manager.

Prior to my city service, the first decade of my professional career was spent working in residential real estate development in Silicon Valley.

After moving to Nevada in 2004, I spent the next 16 years in public land and right-of-way management, energy project funding, and bond financing for major transportation projects before being hired by the city.

Beginning with what's driving our space needs.

First off, the juvenile detention center must be expanded to comply with the Prison Rape Elimination Act.

Also, the courthouse must be expanded per statute, NRS 4, or a new justice of the peace must be in place in the courtroom once our population reaches 60,000, and we're over that now.

The new justice of the peace, of course, comes with uh clerk court clerk staff.

And so that is quite a bit new office space, as well as the district attorney's office is currently outgrown their space.

They need to expand.

And utilizing the clerk recorder space on the first floor of the courthouse is the lowest cost option for expansion for those agencies.

The department of alternative sentencing is also an insufficient space in the courthouse.

They're probably the most crowded of all of them in the courthouse.

So we have an opportunity that's before us by the end of this calendar year.

The health and human services staff that's currently in the what we call the annex on the corner of Roop Street and Beverly Drive can move into the space being vacated by vitality at the end of the calendar year in the Health and Human Services building on the second floor.

So those folks can move into the one facility for HHS and then the Department of Alternative Sentencing have the opportunity to move into that annex as vacated.

And we can remodel that to accommodate their needs so they would be out of the courthouse that provides extra space for the clerk staff as well as uh the courts that could move into their vacated space.

All this is coming to us at a time at a time when we're receiving this proposal from Hop and May Adams to combine city services into one City Hall.

We could take this current city hall, what we call the brick building on Proctor Street, as well as the clerk recorder moving out into one new facility.

And that would allow if we can move the clerk recorder out, it allows work to begin on the courthouse, which is required statutorily.

This saves money in the long term on leasing space either temporarily or you know, moving the clerk recorder out and moving them to some other space or spending money on outdated buildings.

So why a new city hall?

Well, we have aging municipal buildings right now that we've uh milked the life out of, frankly.

Um the new the city hall that we're in right now is was built in 1970.

It's 56 years old.

We did a remodel in 1997.

We did some work in 2006.

So I think it's fair to say we have milked the useful life out of the current city hall.

We're at a point where we'd need to make a substantial investment, which we'll talk about later.

The brick building is even older.

It was built in 1947, it's now 79 years old.

So we're looking at some major investment in that building if we wish to keep it.

As Stephanie mentioned, there was a space needs assessment completed in 2022 that we brought to the board.

It identified the need for 44,000 square feet, and the proposal that we have before us with Hopp and May Adams is 45,000 square feet, so right in the ballpark.

Being able to design a new city hallows us to address safety and security issues in new facilities.

One of which, just as an example, is our current boardroom.

While it's great that we have managed to build a nice uh boardroom within the current space, it's not secure for board members or the public, nor is it size to you know, it's frequently overflowing, and so we need more room.

We also have a growing city, and with the growing city comes the need for additional staff, and with that additional space.

So we're planning ahead for that future growth.

The building projects I've been a part of uh for many years, uh often once they're built, they're undersized.

We're looking at something that would not have would not do that for the city, so we would not have to come back to you and say we've we built too small, we're sorry, we have to build additional space.

That's frequently what happens in in government projects.

We can address operational inefficiencies with a new city hall to support staff.

We can also support redevelopment and new city hall can revitalize downtown, encourage private sector investment.

Yes, sorry about that.

Yeah.

I'm usually told to tone it down, sorry.

We can uh support redevelopment by uh it using our own funds, and basically we're we have redevelopment areas.

We're saying we'd like to encourage redevelopment, so there's nothing like leading the way by investing our own funds downtown to say the city's doing it, why not the private sector?

And this is by the spending the city spending its funds, it's exactly what these funds for redevelopment were intended for.

As a quick reminder, back in March, we talked about some key considerations in looking into where a new city hall might be.

Uh, one of which a big one that Stephanie covered uh per the 2022 retreat was proximity to downtown, so that limits our radius to within the downtown area, not considering each and every option that is on the outskirts of the city.

We want to make sure we're looking at the optimal square footage, we're not oversized for what we need.

We're not gonna be in the business of leasing out space to someone else, you know, and maintaining that space and spending deferred maintenance on a building we don't need.

So we want to make sure we're not too small and we're not too big.

Deferred maintenance liability, we're gonna talk more about that, but we have a lot of my liability right now on our existing facilities.

We don't want to acquire liability in another facility that an owner may not have invested as much as they should have in that facility.

So now we take on that liability by essentially helping them with their investment.

So we have to carefully consider that.

We've talked about the boardroom.

Uh that would be proper to integrate it within a new city hall instead of being separated.

We talked about being in within a redevelopment area.

Uh, one that's really important, I think, is the private financing option.

With the Hopp and May Adams proposal, we have the opportunity for them to put up their own funding without the city having to invest its own funds initially.

I don't think that can be overemphasized.

A lot of other options, the cities look to to put up the money up front.

And it's not necessarily what you look at as a partnership, it's more the city revitalizing something where in this case, Hop and May Adams is fronting a lot of upfront money.

We'll talk about that in a second.

Uh and we talked about the statutory drivers uh for this project.

The Hopp and May Adams proposal meets the construction timeline to mute move the clerk recorder out of the courthouse so we can actually start working on that and put them into a new space that works to meet that timetable.

And then I emphasize the strategic plan tactics that are important to the board that we've looked at is we want to ensure there's a centralized ability to centralize customer service in one location and accommodate the clerk recorder and public administrator, which also uh leads into is there's sufficient parking to conduct public the public elections or for the public and also conduct elections as needed.

You know, we hope we can use the community center continually, but what's our backup plan in case we can't?

And that would be the new city hall.

Some key benefits to the Hopp and May Adams uh proposal is they are right now, they've invested their own money in developing architectural plans to show us what they're talking about.

You know, without that, you know, how do we know if this is a good idea or something we want?

They're also beginning the process of investing in civil engineering.

That's something we would have to do if we went alone.

The legal, we we have to pay a little for that, but there's upfront costs and legal expenditures for a project of this uh scope and size.

New construction allows us the opportunity to sell off older buildings so we can use those funds to invest in a new project.

And as part of that, we get to avoid investing in expensive deferred maintenance of these older buildings.

And it's not that we don't invest in maintenance in a new building, but we get to push that off, you know, for you know, decades instead of right now, we'd be looking at well, we make need to make some substantial investments in the brick and the existing city hall.

We also don't have to spend funds on unrecoverable costs like leasing space for the clerk recorder or or having to deal with moving folks in and out of current space and disrupting up operations by moving them in the temporary space and moving them back in after we remodel space.

There's also a long-term value we have to consider of we anticipate that city center will only get increase in density.

So there's only going to be more development downtown.

We can't count on there's always going to be plenty of parking.

So this provides the opportunity to work with a developer where we can help control the destiny of the city.

We can invest in a new city hall and have sufficient parking versus keeping the old city hall with its existing parking and be squeezed out eventually.

They have to be competing for parking.

Also building new for the same dollar for dollar, we can get more square footage, building new than if we tried to add on to either courthouse or the existing city hall, same dollar for dollar, we're not getting the same square footage.

So we are able to get uh more from building brand new.

This is my last slide where we go in.

This is really intended to be a high-level view of costs.

Um we looked at twice as many uh options as this as this and narrowed it down to a few key options that compare to the Hop and May Adams partnership.

Uh, these these other two options of either option two and column two keeping the city hall and leasing out space, or option three buying our own land and building a brand new city hall were the next best options versus just purely leasing, for instance, or some hybrid of keeping city hall and finding some other space to build a smaller uh structure somewhere else.

So, what I was talking about earlier, starting at the top row, design development, soft cost.

Hopp and May Adams is fronting these fees.

We're not being asked to front these fees up front.

They're already investing in their own property and trying to create a vision for a new city hall at that location.

I I plugged in $7.2 million.

That number could easily be more than that, could be upwards of $2 million.

I'm trying to be very conservative with our numbers here.

Option two, keeping City Hall and leasing space.

We don't get away from design costs.

We have to do something with our current facilities.

So I plugged in 1.3 million for that.

Figure if we go and buy our own lot, which don't know where that would be yet, but let's say we find it, let's say we build our own, we're fronting those 7.2 million costs right now.

We have to find the money somewhere.

We have to come back to the board and ask for those upfront costs, which are very substantial.

The second row is bundled with basically your land, site, parking, renovation costs.

We're talking about $8 million for the Hopp and May Adams partnership to invest in a new parking garage.

So that's a direct cost to us immediately.

However, if we keep City Hall and decide the lease out space, we need to then say we need to remodel City Hall and brick for the next 30 years.

What's that going to look like?

Conservatively at $500 a square foot for City Hall and the brick building.

We're looking at $14.5 million to do something like that.

So that's a again, direct cost to the city, more than likely bonding for that.

If we seek to find our own land somewhere to buy, develop that lot, landscape it, et cetera, pay fees, $2.5 million up front for that.

Short-term leak lease expenses may or may not exist.

It's almost a wash across the board on that.

So I won't spend too much time on that, but a couple million dollars you figure figure there, but significantly the row below that is we have the opportunity, whether we partner with Hopp and May Adams or with uh going out and doing it alone, we can sell the city hall and our brick building for just under $6 million.

This is based on appraisal.

These are actual numbers.

So we figure we can get 5.7 for that.

That's income to the city to help offset some of these costs we've been talking about.

And then we have furniture fixtures and equipment.

We need to invest in any new facility.

Also, uh, even if we remodel existing space, we we can't get away from spending something there.

So figure around 2 million conservatively for that, 1.3 for city hall and the brick.

When you add all that up and subtotal it, the total value received with the Hopp and May Adams partnership versus out-of-pocket expenses, are just shy of $800,000 ahead on the Hop and May Adams partnership versus if we go it, we keep City Hall and the BRIC, spend our own money, that's $19 million.

Option three of going it alone, that's about 10 times the amount of working with uh the Hopp and May Adams Foundation.

Now, of course, those numbers don't take into account.

Let's look at we have financing costs over 30 years.

So what's that add up to?

So we have a 30-year bond in the first uh column.

We're looking at spending somewhere north of 55 million over 30 years for that, just like your mortgage, you know, there's that's the interest principle all paid down.

If we keep city hall lease out space for the clerk recorder, we're looking at spending 13.5 million.

That's just money we'll never see again.

That's out the door expended.

If we decide to go it alone, and we don't have the prices that we're talking about working with this partnership.

Uh I put in a premium there of probably $700 a square foot, very conservative.

We're seeing upwards of that, could be as high as a thousand dollars.

We don't know.

Hopp and May Adams is offering, you know, just a little over 600 per square foot to build the new city hall.

So I don't know that we can guarantee that we would get that somewhere.

So I put in a little premium for that in the financing of 62 million.

But let's just figure after 30 years, you know, what are what are our assets?

How do we compare that after a 30-year time frame?

Well, just a moderate 4% increase over 30 years.

We could have a city hall that's valued of about 55 million dollars in either situation, whether we did it ourselves or with Hopp and May Adams with keeping City Hall and our brick building, uh 19 million.

Uh 19 million, a lot of that's discounted for.

We essentially have obsolete buildings that are considered teardown structures at that point, so we don't get as much that we could sell.

But we we need to look at this from an asset perspective of maybe we decide after 30 years that we don't need a city hall building.

We sell it.

So what's it worth?

When you take all that into account, uh we have the total value of the Hop and May Adams partnership of just over uh 400 or just under 400,000 for that.

But if we decided to keep City Hall and lease space, then we're essentially out all that lease revenue.

So we're in the negative by 13 million.

If we go to loan, do it ourselves, that's 15 point.

Yeah, a little over 15 million.

And all the other options get more expensive from there.

So with that, I'd like to conclude my portion and pass it off to Sherry.

Thank you, Robert.

Good evening.

My name is Sherry Russell Beneboo.

I'm the chief financial officer for the record.

I'm a certified public accountant and have been with the city for 15 years.

Prior to the city, I worked with a public accounting firm for 11 years, and I was the audit manager on entities such as the state of Nevada and Washoe County.

I've been heavily involved with governmental counting for over 26 years.

As uh city manager said, uh John Peterson, our debt consultant with JA is here in the audience for any questions, as well as Ryan Henry from Taft.

He's our bond counsel.

Um please note that I did attach the spreadsheet to the item that we have been, it was our initial concept that we have we shared at the board workshop.

And of course, the estimates have been updated as we progress through this process.

Uh, as staff has been um stating since the beginning of this, the city is not proposing new taxes.

The slideshow today breaks out the spreadsheet in a different way to help encourage understanding.

Um, all of the revenue in my presentation is either uh available today, it's budgeted, or it's conservatively estimated.

Meaning I believe that revenues will come in higher due to savings and interest earnings uh for 28 through 20 in fiscal year 29.

All projects contain contingency and all possible foreseeable costs for completion.

Uh, we even have preliminary estimates for furniture and fixtures and equipment included.

As Robert said, the population of Car Carson City has exceeded 60,000 and per the NRS is required to add an additional space for Justice of the Peace courtroom and staffing.

Um the courthouse is located in the redevelopment district, and the staff is projecting payment of this project from the redevelopment funds.

Note that the redevelopment funds per NRS 279.432 are restricted for use in the redevelopment district for projects adjacent to the redevelopment district or that have a nexus to the redevelopment district.

Unfortunately, all neighborhood roads do not fit this restriction.

In addition to the redevelopment funding for the courthouse, staff anticipates using 1.1 million dollars in extraordinary maintenance in fiscal year 2029.

Staff also anticipates a $7 million GO bond in fiscal year 2028 for facility improvements to the courthouse.

This would be a normal 20-year low interest rate, you know, 4.5%, something like that bond.

It would be our normal bond issue that we do.

Up on the slide, you can see I've listed out those total funding at 22.8 million of available for that project.

The project at 22 million, and then the difference 800 million could be used for furniture fixtures and equipment.

I liked your answer.

Yeah.

Oh, darn.

Yeah, no, that heard that better though.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's 800,000.

Excuse me.

I was just being, you know, hopeful.

Uh the next one I want to talk about is um the juvenile facility and the remodels.

Um, also Robert talked about these.

Uh I have the extraordinary maintenance as the funding source for these.

Uh extraordinary maintenance is um defined in NRS 354.6105 as expenses ordinarily incurred, not more than once every five years to maintain a local government facility or capital project.

Um, the money in this fund at the end of the fiscal year may not revert to any other fund or be a surplus for any other purpose other than the purpose specified in the subsection.

So all of these projects, the remap the remodel of the health department, so that we can consolidate the health department into one building.

And the remodel of the annex for alternative sentencing to give them the space they need, and the juvenile facility fit in that description.

The funding for extraordinary maintenance is about 15.4 million, and you can see those projects add up to about 14.23 million.

So there is about 1.2 million available for furniture, fixtures, and equipment there.

And I know there's a lot of questions on this.

Details for the facility will come forward with the development agreement.

The new garage we are planning on paying for in cash, so there will be no debt incurred on this facility.

Project estimates currently are very conservative as we're including a cost of for 200 spaces.

Again, just to ensure our projections are conservative and we can afford all of this.

And again, that will all come forward more detail with the development agreement.

The next item is City Hall.

So the top section there is the financing term sheet that was included in the packet.

That is what Hop May Adams Foundation was able to get with working with their banks.

There was some questions that Hotmay Adams couldn't couldn't finance this, and so that term sheet does answer that question.

The city's lease purchase option that we're looking at doing will follow these terms.

We are estimating a 28 million dollar building.

We always add cushion when we go through the lease purchase option process or any debt option because if we ask for half a million dollars less or a million dollars less, we have to start the process all over again.

We do not anticipate it will cost more than 28 million dollars.

And we are looking at a lease purchase option.

There were some questions that why would the city lease for 30 years?

I 100% agree we are not leasing for 30 years.

And they're giving us 180-day notice before they start looking for long-term financing, so that we can look for long-term financing and possibly purchase it right after construction.

But the terms do say that we can purchase it any time and just pay whatever interest is due at that time.

No prepayment penalty.

This is based on the 28 million at a 5% interest rate.

I was a little more conservative in my estimates.

You'll see later, I base it on the 30 million at a 6% interest rate.

Again, being conservative, just to make sure that we can afford this.

Staff also received several questions regarding the non-appropriation clause in the term sheet.

This is very standard and in accordance with Nevada law.

It has to say that.

What I mean by debt service is you have a mortgage payment every month that you pay interest in principal.

It's the same thing with the city.

We just call it debt service, and we do it on an annual basis.

That's our interest in principal payments over each year, is what we call debt service.

And so, real quick on this slide, as we presented in March, until 2031 32 when that redevelopment fund sunsets, we will pay 100% of the debt service out of the redevelopment fund.

And then for 2032 and 33, we would split the payment between the general fund and the redevelopment.

2034, we would pay it all from the general fund because both redevelopment funds sunset.

So consolidated taxes, we got some concerns here because it is our most volatile revenue.

I say it all the time.

Um, and we are fortunate being a consolidated municipality, we are allowed to pledge 15% of our C tax towards debt.

Uh most counties and cities can only do 10 or 15 percent.

Um, but because we're consolidated, we're allowed to do 15.

Um, that amounts to 6.7 million dollars we can pledge.

Uh, we never never get close to that number because we use it for other things.

Um, our typical debt service is about three to three and a half million.

We're actually a little under the three million right now.

Sure, that's per year.

Can you just clarify?

That is per year.

Debt service is always per year.

Yes.

I think it's important to clarify that.

Yes, absolutely.

That's per year.

Um, so in fiscal year 2031, the same year as the first redevelopment district sunsets, general fund debt service declines from 2.8 million to 2.2 million.

If we take into account the limit of 3.5 million, uh, the city would have room for added debt service of about 1.2 million.

In 2034, um, the same year as the second redevelopment district sunsets, uh, general fund debt service declines to just $567,000.

Using the same three and a half million would allow additional $2.9 million in debt service.

Again, we're paying off debts early, so we would be able to add debt service without changing our current budget.

Um projects are being paid off basically the sheriff's detention center and some parks projects is what's paying off.

And so we're asking for this to replace it.

And I want to talk really quick about what do I mean by sunset, just so the public understands.

Um, just in case so the current redevelopment carves out a piece of the tax rate, the property tax rate, and it of each building that's inside the redevelopment district, and that that incremental tax rate is revenue to the redevelopment fund.

So when they sunset, basically that carve out that tax rate that's been in the put in the redevelopment goes back to the normal distribution.

So it goes back to the general fund, the senior center, supplemental indigen, the school district, the water subconservancy, it goes back to its normal distribution.

Um to put it a different way, the entities will all get back the tax revenue from those properties previously diverted to redevelopment, if that helps.

Um retiring at the same time the redevelopment districts are sunsetting.

We couldn't have set this up if we tried.

It's it's pretty amazing to me actually.

Um to go back, please.

Yes.

Could you repeat that about the debt the debt service expiring?

Yeah, so we're we're paying off debt service.

As I mentioned, they're decreasing the same year, the same years as we're sunsetting the redevelopment agency.

So we're going to see a decrease in debt service, and we're asking you to add this new debt service, but you're still going to see that increase in revenue from the sunset.

But we still are making payments on this well after the sunset of the redevelopment.

Right, but we're not what but we're paying off old debt.

So it should won't change our balance sheet, the new debt we're putting on it.

It won't impact our general fund because you're gonna replace is what so the same few three million we're paying now out of the general fund for debt.

A couple of bonds we'll pay.

This will repay replace it, and we'll be at the same three million.

Right.

That's all she's saying.

Right, and when it sunsets, there'll be additional revenue that's we're not even accounting for that you can do whatever you want with because it comes back to the general fund.

Um, so to go back to the slide up here, um the debt service facility on the courthouse were for the seven million dollars I mentioned.

We're I'm anticipating a $725,000 um debt service payment.

I think that's very high.

Um, I was conservative.

Um, same thing with the city hall.

I already told you I was conservative with the highest $30 million is six percent.

Um, so that gives a total debt service of $2,880.

And then if you add that to the current debt service in $34, the $567,600, um, you get $3447,600.

So that's the highest we can possibly.

I mean, I can't even imagine it'd be higher.

And um we're still under the $3.5 million.

So just to go back to the spreadsheet for just a second, because I did have some questions on that.

Um, I just want to want to say the top section is the revenue piece, the bottom section is expenses.

We start this spreadsheet in 26 with a zero balance.

We add revenue, subtract expenses, we come to an ending balance.

That ending balance goes up to the beginning balance in fiscal year 27 again, expenses revenue.

By the end of 29, we're saying that we're complete with all the projects, and what's remaining is uh 1 million 986.

After that are just bond payments.

So I did not add all the other revenue that we'll collect.

I only offset the bond payments because I did not want to muddy the waters with revenue that we'll be getting after the projects are complete.

Um so that's how the spreadsheet works.

And as your CFO, this analysis has been provided to discuss uh the question can we afford this?

And being very conservative, as conservative as possible, the answer is yes.

And that and it also demonstrates just for the public, because I've gotten a lot of questions also on, you know, I don't want a tax increase.

I'm on a fixed income.

So there'll be no tax change tax increase of any kind for this.

Right.

And we don't have that much room in our property tax rate that would generate dollars anyway because of the three percent caps on properties.

Yeah, there is no need for any increase of any kind for this.

I just think it's important that people understand.

Right.

All right, Mayor and Board, thank you.

Again for the record, Glenn Martell City Manager.

Uh, like to thank Stephanie and Robert and Sherry for their hard work as your team in preparing this presentation this evening.

Um this development agreement and subsequent uh any processes you identify beyond this go forward.

Here's just a sampling of the work effort that would have to occur.

Obviously, we'd have to complete the lease purchase agreement we were just talking about, and as far as our partnership with Hop and May Adams goes, that would include any uh the formalizing the buyout agreement, setting the terms, construction price, all those kind of things.

Uh, we'd have to also complete the development agreement for the parking garage and the maintenance of the parking garage.

As Sherry said and Roberts, those are separate entities that is a separate partnership from the city hall.

Uh, due to the fact that we are paying cash for the parking garage, not bonding for it in the long in the longer term, that we cannot mix those money.

So that we will have a different partnership as the city, uh, either with Hop and May Adams or some other entity that we would all agree on as a part of that development agreement to be determined.

We would have to return to the board of supervisors for approval of any agreements and elevations of the building uh similar to what it might end up over here.

And what we've talked about internally uh as your team with both with a development agreement and the parking garage agreement would be that uh potentially as fast as two or three months, we could be back with a draft, uh, get your input, make sure that we're proceeding in the direction you may provide this evening, and then that would give us another couple of months to finalize that, bring that back to the board for execution, and keep us on the timeline to be under under construction in that January February 27 time frame to meet the intent of having the courthouse clear for the clerk in early 29, so the court at that time can finish their next line.

The other part that would be is a public charret for the town square.

I know the foundation hopping Adams Foundation committed to that.

I know that the uh foundation is still committed to that should this project move forward.

Uh so uh time to be determined, obviously uh pending approval this evening, but that would have to move on.

Also, the special use permit would have to come forward for the parking garage, as you see on the left side of the left exhibit over here.

Uh that one, uh, although it is primarily permitted in the downtown mixed use space, uh, it does require a special use permit to come forward.

So the planning commission would see that as well.

And then all of that pending, we'd have to look at the final documents.

As I said earlier, there are no final bid documents or forward plans or anything prepared uh for these projects, just enough to make sure that the bidding and or the estimates you're hearing this evening are accurate.

So, as I mentioned earlier, that bidding process, you actually have your contract or contract administrator on that team on behalf of the city to make sure that the preparation of those bid documents, the monitoring of the timeline and the opening of those bids do in fact meet uh NRS so that we the city is covered from a transparency standpoint.

So just wanted to give you a little heads up on on if you approve this this evening.

Um your team, the Hopp and May Adams team.

Um, a lot of people get really busy really quick to stay on that timeline.

So just want to make sure you're aware of all of that that would be working on your behalf.

Okay, seeing no questions.

So with that, I'd like to uh head into my summary if you don't mind.

Um so back in 2025, a group of concerned citizens held four public meetings to discuss the town square master plan as to what some of us were to refer to affectionately as the white paper that Hopp and May Admirals Foundation presented to this board on February 21st, 2025.

So this nice little uh packet here where they they spent the time, and thank you for spending the time.

There's some recommendations and observations in here uh that I wanted to go through uh for your on your behalf to see this.

So some of them some of the recommendations in here, um, and I'm just quoting uh obviously not the whole report, but some of the stuff that's in here that I've highlighted.

Uh one quote is that others worried that the proposed private public partnership to build the city hall could saddle residents with property tax increases during the proposed 30-year financing period.

As you just heard here, that is an adamant no.

Uh there are no property tax increases necessary or anticipated.

And as you said, mayor, uh, even if we wanted to have that conversation, it wouldn't get us where we need to be.

So that is a no.

Um, in another line in the book here, um, it was noted that more importantly, quote, Mr.

Metcalf reported that the foundation is open to changing elements of the proposal and that the public meetings would be held later this summer once the city had decided on a plan of action for expanding or replacing the current city hall.

It's rather timely.

He said the summer of of this year, and here we are July.

That's definitely summer 2026.

Uh, and as I said earlier, should this board continue to move forward this evening, again, I can confirm that the foundation remains committed to a public charrette to identify possible specific amenities to create and maintain that small community feel within the proposed town square.

Additionally, it's noted that the foundation-backed redevelopment project should balance profit generation with elements of community enhancement and engagement.

Additionally, these amenities would neither be owned nor operated by the city.

If approved this evening, a development agreement is mentioned that would be brought forward for a review and your hopeful final approval will contain all of the details necessary for any partnerships to support the town square concept.

I can tell you, sitting here though, right now uh it the extent of the partnership could possibly be that we would be a maintenance agreement for the town square.

Uh that would be a private entity.

Um anything associated with the stores or anything with any future development of which is not a part of this conversation would be uh a separate opportunity, nothing to do with us as the city.

Another insight from the group was that, quote, although Carson City has scattered spots of vibrant small businesses within the urban core, we have too few spaces large enough to gather to enjoy the surrounding beauty and engage with homegrown artisans, vendors, and entertainers.

I couldn't agree more.

That's one of the things I love about this proposal.

The proposed town square is twice the brewery art center.

Over to over an acre and a half of open space to gather and enjoy entertainment, gather with your neighbors, talk about what's going on in the community.

So, with approval of this project this evening, anticipating approval, that the town square would also move forward.

It's a part of the project as shown on the tentative site plan initially.

Any everything north of this building between there and the uh and the existing nugget with some access excluded is they've the town square.

As I said, just right now in that rough drawing, I'll say conservatively an acre and a half.

Twice the size.

And I I agree, I think it's a fantastic space to enjoy what we all love here about our small community and be able to gather and engage with your fellow residents.

Under the category of look and feel in the booklet, it is stayed it's recommended that buildings should fit within the current scale, mass, and profile of downtown businesses.

Additionally, the motifs of the building should honor the historic roots of Carson City.

And finally, commenting on our recognition from HGTV on our small community uh look and feel, the look and feel of the surrounding neighborhoods, the brick arches, and locally quarried sandstone exteriors of many buildings, many historic buildings should be a part of any development.

As you can see on one on both exhibits over here, the parking garage and the uh well, the parking garage in particular draws from the iconic Virginian Truckee Railroad Engine House, using a series of repeating arches that celebrate Carson City's railroad heritage, creating a distinct distinctive civic landmark.

And I just want to point out that one of the buildings that was referenced in this booklet is the Laxalt Building.

When you look at the Laxalt Building, you see the same brick, the same tone of brick, the same arch structure, the same standstone sandstone highlights, although the laxalt building would not have near the real sandstone highlights that we are proposing here.

The extensive brick masonry on your exhibits references the adjacent historic laxalt building, seamlessly blending the new development with the character and craftsmanship of downtown Carson City.

It is a modern campus rooted in history.

While designed to meet today's municipal and parking needs, the project embraces architectural forms, materials, and proportions that reflect Carson City's historic built environment.

The scale, facade articulation, and materials were carefully selected to complement surrounding historic structures, ensuring the project enhances rather than overwhelms the downtown district.

Just as a quick point of information, and one of the letters I read in preparing for today's meeting, somebody was still referencing a four-story city hall.

That is not what we're talking about today.

We are looking at that building right there on the right side on its own and the right side of the exhibit to the left.

It is a three-story, uh, three-story proposed three-story building for 45,000 square feet, blending in rather well, I believe, with the Nugget, the Laxalt Building, the Capitol, the Bleisdale building, and other adjacent buildings.

The landscape town square, stone entry features and coordinated architectural elements, establishing a welcoming gateway, benefiting Nevada's Capital City and its historic down core, downtown core, excuse me.

By incorporating references to the VNT engine house, historic masonry traditions, and local architectural character, this project honors Carson City's heritage while providing lasting civic infrastructure for future generations.

Finally, you may have noticed a piece of the VNT engine house on the cart.

This keystone was once in the apex of one of the historic arches from our own engine house, Carson City's own engine house.

The keystone sits at the center of the arc, locking all other stones in place.

Its placement in the center is critical as it bears additional weight and redirects compressive stress.

Without this action, the surrounding stones would slip and not support.

Symbolically, I believe this Keystone exemplifies the proposed city hall.

The new city hall would sit at the center of Carson City, bearing the weight of government while providing opportunities for community engagement, redirecting stress into civil discourse, and supporting businesses by engaging in its own revitalization.

Reflected in the city's architecture in the excuse me, reflected in the building's architecture, Carson City remains proud of its past while investing confidently in its future.

Thank you, Mayor and Board.

The team is ready to answer any questions you may have.

Thank you.

Does any member of the board have a question?

You want to start?

Supervisor Giomi.

Glenn, a quick question.

I know you covered it, but um the uh the city's not funding potentially beyond right-of-way or road or something.

The the public plaza part of this, right?

I mean, that isn't what we're funding or or contemplating funding.

No, sir.

And actually, that thank you for bringing that up.

That was another point uh that was brought up in some of the letters that we were giving the right-of-way away, as I mentioned in my intro.

Um, quite the opposite, you know, as was discussed earlier, you know, roads remain one of our city's biggest challenges and most publicly questioned processes.

And when you look at the roads that are included at this Fall Street, North and South, Telegraph East and West, a little bit of spear east and west, and maybe a north portion of Proctor Street, those serve currently empty parking lots.

So with this project development and the investment in the parking garage, what we looked at is those streets would no longer serve a purpose, giving a development project that looked anything like this.

So in my mind, it is it is much more uh cost beneficial as well as from a community standpoint more beneficial to convert that right-of-way into a portion of the town square.

What those exact numbers are, we don't know yet, pending design.

But yes, a lot of that right-of-way, in particular, uh that block stretch uh between plaza and fall, that converts directly to the event uh the town square.

A portion of fall as it runs north from Proctor towards Robinson converts between as it goes by between the uh proposed uh city hall and the parking garage.

So we are not paying for that.

That is just converting our existing right-of-way into a usable community space, as well as the space that goes to the development area uh becomes tax generating because now it's developed and it's in private hands.

So uh in my mind, a double benefit.

And uh then, Glenn and Sherry, uh I I the obviously that this is I mean, we're not approving an agreement today.

Um, there are uh small encyclopedia full of details that have to be presented to us for review.

But um, I mean, I just I want to confirm that the um when those details are in that agreement.

Um, we're talking about a purchase price that's agreed upon and uh the delivery of a product that's agreed upon by us before we approve anything.

So if we say uh if they say they're gonna deliver X, Y, and Z, whatever that may be, a 45,000 square foot building that looks like this, like we tell it, that's their obligation to deliver that.

And that's the plan is to put that into the purchase agreement or lease agreement or whatever the case may be, correct?

Yes, Supervisor Jome, you're absolutely correct.

So I like the encyclopedic uh reference.

There is a lot of details to be worked out.

I remember, and I remember getting the yearly uh yearbook updates, and those are really cool because you could look at the the mod the updated stuff.

So that was always good.

Um, but no, um your DA team, Dan and Adam uh and Garrett in a couple of the meetings, we've had extensive uh a lot of questions from them as to how this might look.

Um and the Hopp and May Adams Foundation attorney as well has been engaged.

Um I just spoke to their attorney earlier today, and yes, he understands that in particular the the lease purchase agreement is somewhat more standard, if you will, because a lot of entities do the lease purchase agreement, more of a of a customization uh versus a creation, like we would have to do on the parking garage.

But um again, it it depends on exactly you know what we might want to do as a city, how that partnership might look.

As uh Sherry mentioned, we have we have currently planning, are currently planning for 200 spaces.

That is a very conservative number.

I shouldn't say very it might be as low as 180 or so, but some of that is pending the final design of City Hall, which again at this stage wanting to come back to this board and get more direction.

I did not want to invest any more of your team's time or the Hoppin' May Adams Foundation time, um, confirming that the 45,000 square foot square foot building works, gives us the opportunity to grow in the future while meeting all of our needs for today.

Um I felt was a good point to come back to you and say, okay, here it is.

So parking is to be determined upon final design.

There are approximately 100 people that would work in that building, that's the minimum, but you also have to account for the citizens coming and going and doing their business there, the business is coming and going doing business there.

Um that is all to be worked out between the final design and your uh economic and or planning and economic development department.

We have guidelines on on public parking.

The other part of that uh parking calculation that remains to be done is we we have to have some conversations.

One thing is that this room would be in that new building, it would be on the the left side of the city hall, first floor as you went in, you turn immediately left, is what we're talking about.

Uh should we move forward.

And here when you have a meeting on Thursday morning, you have the parking lot from the community center.

Usually not much else going on, maybe an election year, sorry, Scott, on a Thursday when we have some some complications.

But um in this scenario, you would be having a a board of supervisors meeting while your team is working in the building, while your citizens, other citizens are in there getting business licenses or uh working with the clerk to get something recorded.

So we need to figure out what that number looks like.

My anticipation sitting here today is maybe 160 or 180.

So that's why Sherry again was mentioning that the 8 million for the parking garage is conservative.

Long answer to your question, supervisor.

Short answer is yes, all of those details would were to be worked out.

And as I said in my my summary, what we've talked about with Dan is coming back in two or three months with a draft of each of those, the the lease purchase agreement on the development agreement side, as well as an outline of the partnership and development agreement, if you will, for the parking garage.

This board could give us feedback, help us fine-tune it if needed.

You'd also we you know any feedback we have on the elevation you see here or on the screen, we could take and and fine-tune that, and then that would be brought to this back to this board as well, so that as you said, you can see what you're going to buy should you decide to move forward today.

Yeah, I get I guess I just wanted to make sure that we're not we're not talking about well, a couple of things, because back when we provided direction, we said we wanted off ramps at at three, five, ten, uh and you came back with basically off-ramps whenever we want.

Um, and and I wanted to make sure that the price is not contingent upon when we take the off-ramp.

It's we're setting the price or the the intention is we're setting the price um in the agreement.

So the the price of the building will be set in the agreement.

Yes, that's that's the plan.

Is this um that's why we're doing a lease uh purchase option up front is it helps give the city some protections, um, helps ensure that that building will be ours when it's done.

Um when we buy it out, the the land and the building will be included in in the the price, the 28 million.

And uh as we make payments, if we don't buy it out right away, as we make payments, the principal will go on on those payments, and so we will only be paying out whatever we have not paid down and whatever little interest.

Yeah, like a regular mortgage.

Like a regular mortgage, exactly.

That's how that's what's been offered to us.

On the parking garage, because I I know that the the details on that have been lacking, because that's a little more of a um uh less usual, I'll say.

Um I there are I think there are plenty of examples around.

Um I I uh I I know the parking garage for Las Vegas City Hall is a uh public-private partnership in cooperation with the Smith Center, which is a performing arts center in Las Vegas.

Um the the Reno Aces ballpark in Marino.

I used to have season tickets to the ACE.

That comes to mind.

That's another so there are there are examples of it around that we can uh we can get um the parking that we're talking about buying, because we're we will have an ownership interest in that parking garage, right?

That's the intention.

That's the intention of the outright purchase will have an ownership interest in those spaces.

Buy those spaces, yeah.

And it again, it hasn't been all hashed out yet.

But that's that's the point.

I understand that that's gonna come back.

But the intention is that people who are coming to City Hall for business during the day are not gonna have to pay to park.

No, they will not.

Right.

I mean, I think that's critical in in this agreement that people are coming to do business at City Hall get to park for nothing.

Yes.

Um other other uses, even the state may want to use it, but they're gonna have to pay because they're not contributing to this.

Exactly.