10:53Minutes approved for our January 5th meeting.
10:56Um I will entertain a motion for minute approval.
11:08Now I'll recognize any um anybody wishing to address the board.
11:12Is there anybody here this morning looking to address the board today?
11:22We will move into our first resolution.
11:25A resolution ratifying action taken by the industrial development board chair and city finance officer to execute a management representation letter for the auditor of Anderson.
11:39Haterson and McCullough.
11:41PLLC for fiscal year ending June 30th, 2025.
11:58We'll keep this very brief and very high level, but uh before we walk through the details, just give a quick high overview of the 2025 audit.
12:06Uh operations were pretty pretty in line with what we would would have expected with 2024 biggest increase is 28 million dollars for the E12 or E2I2, I should say, uh uh initiatives.
12:18Um so there's an increase in revenue in that.
12:20But uh outside of that, like I said, operations consistent from year to year.
12:24Uh overall good news to report.
12:27Uh audit came back clean with no findings, no internal control issues, and no compliance concerns.
12:33So uh I'll turn it over to Garrett to go over our required communications.
12:41So I'm Gary Williams with HHM.
12:43Like you said, our uh audit report, we had a clean opinion, which is the best opinion you can have.
12:48We didn't have any uh significant deficiencies or material weaknesses noted during the audit.
12:54Um our audit is the purpose of it is for us to make sure the financials are materially correct.
13:01Um so that is uh we look at transactions and make sure uh for the most part everything's in line with what we'd expect.
13:10Um significant accounting policies.
13:14Uh those didn't really change from last year, those are all in note one.
13:18It's got a million paragraphs in there with everything for the IDB.
13:23Uh accounting estimates, we look at estimates to make sure those are reasonable.
13:28Um there was no significant uh estimates noted.
13:32Uh management accounting staff, we had no issues working with uh the accounting department.
13:38Um always happy to work with them.
13:41Uh and they were very helpful in getting us what we need to get our audit done.
13:46Uh we weren't aware with any consultations with consultations with other accountants during our audit.
13:51We had no uncorrected misstatements during the course of our audit.
13:57Um we were not aware of any fraud or illegal acts throughout the audit.
14:05It's always it makes these conversations a little more interesting.
14:10Uh but no, that was good.
14:12Um and then we really didn't have any significant significant matters uh that we discussed with management during the audit.
14:18So overall it's a pretty boring audit.
14:21We got it done much sooner than typically uh we have it done, so we're happy with that.
14:27Um nothing else really to know.
14:30If there's any questions about any of that happy to answer, and I just want to add one thing, but Weston Porter, CFO for the city of Chattanooga.
14:43The resolution is related to uh the management representation letter.
14:47And so with that is it's our representation, uh, the board and city finances.
14:52We and Eleanor manage the books for our for the IDB, our representation to HHM that says we provided you everything you needed, we didn't have any disagreements.
15:01It's pretty standard language, it's required by auditing standards that they have to go through.
15:06And it's just the board's representation to the audit firm saying we've given you everything, we haven't held anything back, we are not aware of anything that you need to be aware of for this audit.
15:16And so it's something that has to be signed every year, and that's what the resolution is.
15:19It's you're you're executing that representation letter giving it to them.
15:26Does this report need to be filed with the state in the comptroller's office as well?
15:31It's already been filed.
15:44So it looks like we just need to take um entertain a motion for the resolution of the management representation letter, and then we've heard the presentation of the audit already.
16:06And there were no questions about the audit report, correct?
16:14Um, moving to the next item, uh, quarterly project update for number three by Wastewater Department and Jacobs Engineering Group, W 20027101, MBEC, Class A Power Progressive Design Bill.
16:33My name is Mark Heinzer.
16:34I'm the administrator for the wastewater department.
16:36Uh so we've got the two projects uh that we're doing quarterly updates on this morning.
16:41And the one is the uh E2I2 uh wet weather storage facility project.
16:47That project is is progressing well.
16:49We are a little over halfway done with it now.
16:51If you've driven I-75 uh near the split uh at I-24, you've seen some tanks going up over there.
16:57That that's what this project is.
16:58And that uh again, that's going to uh reduce uh sanitary sewer overflows during wet weather events.
17:04So the project is progressing well.
17:05We are on schedule budget-wise and schedule-wise.
17:09Uh the other project, the Class A Power Project is a project that is located at the wastewater treatment facility, and that is an overhaul of some of the processes there, both the water treatment as well as the biosolids treatment.
17:21Uh both processes are getting are getting overhauled and upgraded with technology and and uh uh management.
17:26So that project is very early on in the in its phase.
17:29So right now we've uh just completed the basis of design report.
17:33So uh in the fall we went through the uh analysis of alternatives.
17:37Uh we selected some alternatives to then take to that next phase of development of design.
17:42So that report we received the basis of design report uh this past week, and we are currently evaluating that, and we will then proceed into the design phase of that project, and that is a little bit behind schedule because of the alternatives analysis took longer than we anticipated, but it is still tracking uh to be completed within the overall time frame of the project.
18:03And uh that as far as the budget on that one, we're still early on, so there's been no budget issues yet.
18:10The construction phase is when we'll be looking harder at the budget.
18:17There are updates for both line seven and eight.
18:21Are there any questions for either one of those?
18:24The the first project you mentioned.
18:26Um, is that the one that's what is it, 153 million plus do you know at this point how many local contractors uh how much business they've gotten out of this project so far?
18:38I don't have a number for that.
18:40Uh there's some local consulting firms that are involved at the construction side.
18:43I couldn't tell you I don't have that breakdown, but I can try to look into that for you.
18:47Yeah, I'm I was just curious out of 153 million, how many local contractors are getting any of that 153 million?
18:55Um closing, of course, ultimately how many local workers are working on the side.
19:00I know I think Lawson Electric is and they have some local people, but I'm also uh Brassville and Gory, I mean, they're out of Birmingham, right?
19:10Um and I'm aware I think there's one uh uh rebar installation company that's from out of town that's got workers out there, and that's that that's okay.
19:23I just think uh in the future, certainly on an ongoing basis, we as a as a body and board need to be mindful of local contractors and local jobs.
19:33So um if you would yeah, please look into that uh as far as what the expenditure is thus far out of that 153 million and how many has gone to local contractors, if you would.
19:45Also, one thing uh to that is most of this is concrete, right?
19:52So all this concrete's being sold.
19:56That's a big line item in here.
20:00So if you look at the percentage of construction, I'd say that they're actually using quite a bit.
20:04I've had one going up near my house that I actually had a friend working at, he was an inspector, and we talked and I I've seen quite a bit of involvement.
20:14Just I don't want to speak for Mark by any means, but just what I've seen, and just the actual local suppliers.
20:22If you take concrete and this whole thing's made out of concrete, they're not shipping that in.
20:28They're making it here and buying it here.
20:31That's local truck drivers, delivery drivers, coordinators, and stuff.
20:35So I'd say there's a pretty good bit, Mark.
20:38Just we'll try to quantify.
20:42So that'd be good if so.
20:46Just food for thought.
20:52I did have a quick question.
20:53Um you said that the alternatives analysis took longer than anticipated.
20:57Was there any specific reason for that?
21:00It's one of those projects where there's a lot of different ways you could go.
21:03So trying to really look at the different pros and cons of each of those alternatives took a little bit longer.
21:10You know, there's there's no like perfect answer for some of the stuff.
21:14Uh so trying to balance the budget with the end product is really where we we had to take a little extra time to make sure we got it right.
21:22Glad that we're so thorough.
21:26Mark, looks like you're 55.74% complete on the storage tanks.
21:34So we're close to halfway done at least, just a little over halfway done.
21:38And yeah, we're we're looking good on that one again, both budget and pro and schedule-wise, we're looking good there.
21:43And only 25% on the other project at Marks and Ben right now, and that's just on the design portion.
21:50That's the design part, yeah.
21:59Our next item is an overview of purchasing of the purchasing process for civic um civic serve economic development software.
22:18Good morning, board Sharida Allen, senior advisor for economic and workforce development here at the city.
22:23Um, this item is just an update and a follow-up to our last conversation related to the city staff bringing an item in October to this board for financial approval.
22:34That was for Civic Serv economic development software.
22:39That money came out of the economic fee payments for pilots.
22:45Um, we did have the money in the budget.
22:48That that 44,000 actually came out of an administrative fee that we put on all TIFFs, and so we use that fund to fund this particular item.
23:00Um, there were questions around it.
23:02Um, I will say staff neglected sort of bringing forward a full packet when we brought that item.
23:08We simply brought an overview of the software and then asked for you to fund it without explaining the process.
23:14So this is just an overview of the process.
23:16So typically what happens, and that may be a little difficult to read, but on software purchases, what happens is historically we have been tracking all of our economic development projects on spreadsheets.
23:28So that for instance, if you're asking for a report on a pilot that is from 2008 or 2010, we're pulling into historical spreadsheets to for that data.
23:39Um, it's the same with TIFFS and pilots, uh TIFS.
23:42We're actually every TIFF has its own spreadsheet, and that's how we're tracking that.
23:47The goal for us was to pull all of this into one centralized relational database that also has a public-facing interface with it.
23:55Um we then went to our IT department and said, we're looking at software, we can no longer track this in spreadsheets, multiple spreadsheets, um, help us out.
24:07So this is a project for anything that's related to software purchases.
24:12It has to go through our I our information technology team.
24:17They essentially meet with us internally, they ask us what we're looking for, they then provide us with a worksheet.
24:23We complete that worksheet, they go away, and then what you see circled is the research and discovery.
24:29All of that happens within the IT department because they're looking at whether the software is compatible with existing systems, is it secure?
24:39All of those other pieces, they then come back to us with with recommendations, and based on the those recommendations, we then go through the process of having sort of demonstrations, online demos, or face-to-face demos with the appropriate vendors that would be suitable for the software.
24:58So that those are the two items that we're looking at today.
25:01The research and discovery and then the vendor and and scope review.
25:05In your packet, I included all of the historicals related to that.
25:10And so within your packet, you will see on roughly pages nine and 10 an overview of all of the different vendors that were that were reviewed before we got to the selection of Civic CERN.
25:24And so that review, there's a score sheet.
25:27There's also just an evaluation of did the vendors meet or do they meet all of the requirements that were put forward?
25:36And then based on that, we move forward.
25:38Some of those vendors were local that were reviewed, uh, some were not.
25:42And then as an aside, the finance team did hire someone recently who's who is going to go out and make sure local vendors and local service providers are registered to do with the business with the city so that they're within our database as we as we move forward.
25:59So high level, that's the process that we undertook.
26:03You have all the documentation in your packets.
26:06Um I'm not going to review each vendor individually.
26:10I don't think that's necessary at this point.
26:13A lot of them had some strong points, not all of them met the requirements that we needed for this particular software that we're looking for, and that's how we we landed on Civic CERT.
26:23So moving forward, staff will provide more backup and documentation on the front end before we ask you to finance these items.
26:38Sharita, this will help you get the information that we need to Henderson Hutcherson and to the com trolller each year, will it not?
26:46It will be hopefully the press of a couple of buttons.
26:50So we're looking forward to that.
26:54Have you been able to speak with anyone that uses this program currently, the civic serve program, like as a reference for its use?
27:03And so this the particular program that was selected is it was based on it being designed specifically for pilots and tips.
27:12So instead of just being sort of a contact database at the end of the day, it really and truly is pilots tips, uh the entire life cycle.
27:21So applying the application piece, sort of the marking piece, the application piece, sort of the vetting, all of the different approval steps that happen between four different legislative bodies, the tracking, the monitoring, and then reporting both locally and then reporting up to the state.
27:38So all of that will be I'd like to say seamless.
27:42We're in the process of migrating data now.
27:44I know it's I see Mr.
27:48Yeah, we're hoping it will be seamless, and we're working on that.
27:52But have you talked to anyone that uses it currently?
27:55This program, like any other municipalities?
28:01I was just curious how they liked it.
28:08So my colleague Winston Brooks in our economic development team actually led this project.
28:13So he did speak with users of this particular software program and others.
28:21Any other I guess comment and I think the whole issue, and I think if finance has someone trying to get local vendors, that might solve the problem because the pool will be um more low, at least including locals.
28:34And I think it wasn't necessarily that we're going to pick somebody just because they happen to be in Chattanooga.
28:38It still has to fit.
28:40But I think because it was under 50,000, it didn't go through an RPF, so it wasn't, unless you were watching these meetings, they did it wasn't necessarily a call for vendors, and so I think that's where that particular vendor I don't believe is on this list.
28:53Um, and so I think of the ones that they found in IT.
28:56And so I think um I think that was just the concern.
29:00Hopefully, if there's more of an effort to make sure that we get some folks that have kind of gone through some of the hoops to know that they're they're willing to be considered by the city and um that that'll help.
29:10But that was I think that's where and I could I can see how it went the way it did.
29:13I don't think it was um I don't think there was anybody that did anything particular, like was trying to not consider that vendor.
29:21It just you know things happen.
29:24And so I'm not sure if it's the if we're speaking of the same vendor, but the one that reached out on LinkedIn, they actually were considered.
29:32They would fall into one of those charts on page 98.
29:39Thank you, thank you.
29:40But but again, staff will do a better job when we bring items to you to explain how we got to the final result versus just saying this is this is the vendor, and we're asking you to pay for for the software.
29:55Thank you, thank you.
29:58Addressing the next one, the staffing.
30:00Addressing the next one, the staffing Winston, thank you.
30:02So our next item is IDB staffing comparison.
30:09Good morning, Winston Brooks, Director of Economic Development.
30:11It's a pleasure to be here this morning.
30:13Back in November, this board had asked for some uh information about how other markets in Tennessee administer their IDB, and so that's what this report is uh today is uh in response to to that request.
30:26Um so it's been uh quite an interesting project for me to work on.
30:29I really enjoyed speaking to you guys second advanced this one.
30:36Um enjoyed speaking to my colleagues across the state, um hopefully uh internally here, then we we talked with Nashville, Memphis, uh Knoxville, and then uh it was recommended also talk to Clarksville Montgomery Economic Development Council.
30:52So it's been um very educational for me.
30:54I think you'll uh appreciate the information that I have to share with you today.
30:57So um also um talked to to the some some attorneys obviously uh involved and so in um Metro Nashville, uh Memphis Shelby County, uh the city of Knoxville, which uh is um operated by the uh Knoxwell Community Development Corporation, and then in Clarkswell, it's the Clarkswell Montgomery Economic Development Council.
31:20And I concluded with a follow-up conversation with Mark Mementoff and our internal staff.
31:25And um, as you're aware, probably the Mark Mamatoff works with most of the IDBs across the state, so his uh information was very valuable.
31:35Um each IDB is authorized under state statute 753101, the IDB uh law, and for the most part use the same tools, bonds, pilots, and TIFS.
31:45Um I found they the two primary administrative models are direct administration of city staff or a third party uh organization.
31:56So um starting with Chattanooga, as you know, um Chattanooga has nine board members, and we appreciate y'all's service, and and one staff uh Maria out of the the legal team.
32:06And I just want to who does that in her spare time.
32:11And I do what a pleasure she is to work with and what a great job she does.
32:14It couldn't be done with without her support and then um shared resources uh through through the city uh economic development, uh Sharita and myself and and the rest of the team and Richard Bielan as well as economic development department.
32:26So um based on the uh comparison of IDBs across Tennessee's largest cities, Chattanooga operates with minimal staffing tied with Nashville for the lowest number of staff among the cities listed.
32:36Chattanooga operates as many IDBs in the state with one or two city staff managing deals and projects and a shared arrangement for financing and legal support.
32:45Chattanooga also supports small business programs such as uh Edge does in Memphis with the city attorney's office providing staff for agendas, communication, and correspondence.
32:54In Nashville, um they operated similar to uh Chattanooga.
32:59Um they have but they have a formal agreement in place.
33:02Now also want to mention that uh Sharita Allen is our senior advisor uh for workforce development, and Jamari Brown is the senior advisor in Nashville.
33:10And so Jamari uh through an intergovernmental agreement is identified as the one employee for the IDB, but then there's that intergovernment agreement that also covers all the other uh the financial department, the legal department, and any other shared resources that might come through the city.
33:26Memphis has created a separate organization that manages uh the city and the county, and uh they have nine dedicated staff uh for economic development, and uh they have the largest operating income of about two million dollars.
33:38And I just want to take a moment just to talk a little bit about revenue.
33:42When I when I talked to uh Nashville uh um senior advisor uh Mr.
33:48Brown, you know, he really encouraged me to try and dig in and find the you know the operator the net operating income, the revenue for these sources, and he said that'll tell you how much staff they've got.
33:58And so I thought, well, that's a great idea.
33:59So I did uh I didn't um I wasn't successful finding all of those revenue sources, but I uh found some.
34:06And uh if you're familiar with ours, Chattanooga's goes up and down based on the number of deals because of the the fees that are paid for different development deals to to the IDB.
34:17Um in Memphis, they um do a lot of deals and their fee structure is higher than ours, and so again, that's why they're also able to afford the staff of of nine there.
34:27Now it's also important to realize they also have the port authority, uh the foreign trade zone, and so they have a total of 18 employees to complete that whole organization there.
34:38Uh Edge also manages small business programs like Chattanooga and Business Attraction.
34:43Uh and then uh, you know, it's interesting to note that um Mr.
34:46Mamentoff um said that this is a really unique model throughout the state in Memphis.
34:52So moving to Knoxville, they uh are operated by the Knoxville Community Development Corporation.
34:58They have uh one staffer, Mr.
35:00Um Bentley, and um he said they basically have one to three, they have one dedicated economic development staff person, but then they have another person that does uh redevelopment that can come in uh and a CEO that will come in and assist if the project needed that extra assistance.
35:17And then um again through this the conversations it was um advised that I go and speak to um Clarksville Montgomery County, which is uh while they're fast growing, they're they're they're actually getting they're catching up with Chattanooga's uh population size.
35:31Um they are um operated uh with three staff members.
35:36They have um a CEO, a workforce development director, and a coordinator.
35:42Um the Clarksville Montgomery County uh economic development council houses this is kind of where it gets a little different.
35:48They house the chamber, the tourism, and economic development.
35:52And while they call it Clark, Clarksville Montgomery, it's really just a county um organization.
35:58Um they do a little, they do help Clarksville out, but it is operated by the county, and the county also provides um $500,000 a year for uh to offset their operations.
36:07So the key takeaways are you know that the way that they're administered, there's basically either with city staff or a third party, um the staffing levels uh vary.
36:18And then um you know the largest uh board is um in which one is it?
36:26Uh Clarksville, Montgomery, they have 13, and Memphis has 11 board members.
36:30And then the service areas, they're either um exclusive to that city that they serve or they are uh a metro or a mix of serving the county and the city.
36:40So with that, I'll I'll take any questions.
36:48Um what about Hamilton County?
36:50We didn't have anything on here, they have their own industrial development board as well.
36:55So um a great point.
36:57Um Phil, Hamilton County.
37:00Um, you know, I did not uh dive directly into um their their board.
37:06Um seems like that would have been a good place to do that.
37:09I I'll get that information for you.
37:10Yeah, I think they they do specific bond funds on here, and we we've seen them involved, so I just wondered you know how how would they compare?
37:19I think it's similar to how we're set up currently.
37:25If if I may, um, as far as these other uh four locations, um, cities, counties, what have you, are any of these staff members paid by the industrial development board or whatever they call it in their respective areas?
37:40Because you can correct me if I'm wrong.
37:42I I mean Jarita does wonderful job uh keeping us informed and with what she does, but we don't pay her as a board.
37:49And same, I think with uh and more than Maria and Phil.
37:54And so my question is we know we as a board have no employees.
37:58Um do any of these other four cities have employees?
38:05Well, I would uh the the Memphis organization that's um run with uh Joanne Massey, they're paid by the Edge organization.
38:14The others are probably pay, you know, the other obviously the only other one that could be questionable would be Clarks Montgomery, and I need to uh confirm whether or not they're being paid by the county or they're being paid by the IDB.
38:25They're probably being paid by the county.
38:27Um that's a good question.
38:29Um one of the reasons I ask because I this I think came to light through uh this past October through a county audit and some findings that they uh had, and I think that's kind of what brought this up a little bit.
38:43And uh I'm I'm still amazed that you and Jarita and your office can keep up with what you do and do all your side stuff that you're supposed to be doing, and yet inform us and keep deal with us as well.
38:57And uh I think from the the audit, one issue that arose was someone being designated to oversee these things and keep focus and make sure that we're getting the reports back that we're supposed to be getting from these um folks that get the TIFS or whatever, and um that that would be a whole lot easier if we had someone I think that was paid by the industrial development board to say this is your job.
39:27And I think we've got funding we might could pull it off.
39:31Um so there's an interesting discussion we had with or I had with with Mark was you know, how do you structure those that fee schedule?
39:39Because um you can increase your fees, and if you do that, you may um uh reduce the amount of uh developers that want to do deal because of the fee structure, right?
39:50So that would be something you would have to negotiate through.
39:53Um because they are uh except for Clarksville, the the edge, their fee structure was such that they are producing enough revenue to provide that to pay for the pay their staff.
40:03Uh the others, like I said, it's usually typically a shared resource model.
40:06And um so uh like in Clarksville, the county was was providing those resources to pay the staff, but it was probably paid by the county and not the IDB, but I'll go back and find out exactly who's uh where those checks are coming from.
40:23One thing I would suggest, I mean I'm I don't disagree.
40:26I I'm not opposed to the board paying an employee, but I would suggest that we would lease employees from the city so that we don't have to set up payroll operations and payroll tax reporting and all that sort of thing.
40:38That and that's the um the issue too that thought in in my discussions with Mark too is if you do set it up um if you become into an independent organization, then you do have to uh allow for all the other uh resources that you might be able to uh leverage using the city finance department, legal teams, and economic development staff.
40:58So that that's that's kind of the decision that has to be made is do you really want to stand up all those organizations or or how do you arrange it?
41:07You know, so that that's that and quite frankly, we can go and continue to dig dig into this and do you know uh you know more assessments and talk to all the stakeholders who are involved and see what might make sense.
41:19I don't know, I'm just one of nine, but I wish you would if you don't mind.
41:23I think that would be helpful to us and long term would would just be a good thing.
41:29Yeah, I mean I think this is a good first start in um providing an overview of our peers and across the state, but I do think just some more discussion around this um would be helpful and some more insight as you all are researching more, doing some more discovery um will be helpful.
41:50My pleasure thank you for what you've done so far.
41:54Any other questions?
41:56All right, excellent.
41:57Thank you all, follow us.
42:03Any other new business?
42:06Did want to point out our we've got a board member with a birthday today.
42:14Yes, this is the best way to spend my time today.
42:21Any other discussion items?