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Colorado Springs City Council Meeting - Oct 27, 2025

City CouncilMonday, October 27, 2025
BodyColorado Springs, Colorado
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, October 27, 2025
StatusFILED
Video Record
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:07

So if a suggested citizen would like to increase funding in the area, they should suggest an area for the decrease of funding as well.

0:14

I will now call the names from those signed up, starting with Derek Wheeler.

0:22

And make sure the green button is on so that we can hear you and state your name for the record, and you have three minutes.

0:30

Derek Wheeler.

0:31

President Crow Iverson, President Pro Tem Risley, distinguished members of City Council.

0:36

My name is Derek Wheeler.

0:37

I'm a Carol Springs resident, and I have proudly served with Color Springs Fire Department for over 30 years, the last 13 as a battalion chief.

0:45

Of our 18 chief officers, only Chief Royal has been in tenure longer than me.

0:50

I tell you that because three decades with the CSFD have given me not only experience and perspective, but also a deep personal investment in the well-being of both this city and the fire department.

1:01

The last time I stood at this podium and addressed city council was during the recession in October of 2008.

1:07

As the newly promoted captain, I said publicly it's wrong to ask those who deliver city services to pay more than those who receive them.

1:15

17 years later, that statement still holds true.

1:20

In 2026, CSFD firefighters of all ranks will be 10 to 18% below their market.

1:26

That means firefighters will make 14,000 less than their peers.

1:32

Paramedics, 11,000 less.

1:34

Driver engineers, 19,000 less.

1:37

Lieutenants, 14,000.

1:39

Captains, 16,000.

1:41

And battalion chiefs will make 25,000 less than their front-range peers.

1:47

To simply reach market would require an additional 10 million dollars, raising the 2026 fire department budget from 109 million to 119 million.

1:56

In other words, the citizens are getting 119 million dollar fire department, but firefighters are having to pick up the tab for the last 10 million.

2:04

That's not support for public safety, as we so frequently hear from elected officials and city leadership.

2:11

That's balancing the budget on the backs of your employees.

2:14

Here's some additional perspective on the inequities experienced by firefighters.

2:18

The average Collar Springs resident pays 112 in property taxes for city services.

2:24

Using a CSFD driver engineer as an example, in 2026, they will pay $19,000 more than their neighbors through below market wages to receive the exact same city services.

2:35

That is neither sustainable nor is it an ethical business model.

2:40

During your 2026 budget work session, Councilman Linewerber asked Chief Royal how firefighters feel about their low pay.

2:47

His response, hmm.

2:50

You know, hmm.

2:53

Let me state clearly for the record.

2:55

Chief Royal's response in no way reflects the sentiments of your firefighters.

3:00

The truth is we feel undervalued, and we want the practice of subsidizing city services through lost income to end.

3:09

I don't expect you to fix this in the 2026 budget, but please acknowledge that Colorado Springs has serious and dire structural revenue problems.

3:19

Have the courage to stop talking and start doing something about it.

3:24

Make it so that every time you say you support public safety, you can do so knowing your firefighters are paid fairly and that we truly feel supported.

3:36

Thank you.

3:37

Any questions?

3:42

I don't see me at this time.

3:43

Next up we have Kurt Crum.

3:48

Hello, Kurt Crum, Color Springs Fire Department, Local Five.

3:52

Council President Crow Iverson, President Risley, President Pro Tem Risley, and honorable members of Council.

3:57

I'm Kurt Crum, President of Colorado Springs Professional Firefighters Local Five.

4:01

Thank you for the opportunity to speak today about the proposed 2026 budget and the future of public safety in our city.

4:08

Fire Chief represented his budget and addressed your questions prior.

4:12

I stand before you today to share the concerns of men and women of the Colorado Springs Fire Department.

4:17

Concerns that not only affect our firefighters, but the safety of our entire community.

4:21

The chief has spoken about the growth our department needs or will need to meet the city's expanding demands.

4:28

That growth is essential.

4:29

But how can we talk about growth when we can't fully fund what we already have?

4:34

Let me share a few examples.

4:37

Current funding is inadequate for fire truck and engine replacement.

4:42

Some of our apparatus are over 25 years old and are still operating on the front lines.

4:47

Nationally, departments replace trucks every 12 to 15 years.

4:51

Here in Colorado Springs, we're on a 17-year replacement plan, and we're falling behind.

4:57

Old apparatus become unreliable and they will fail.

5:02

That puts lives at risk.

5:04

Fire stations.

5:05

A large portion of our stations are in disrepair.

5:08

Some are so outdated they most likely will need to be rebuilt entirely.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Safety████████████████████████████████████████████44%
Community Engagement██████████████████████22%
Budget Equity Analysis███████████████████19%
Parks and Recreation███████████████15%
Summary of Proceedings

Colorado Springs City Council Meeting - October 27, 2025

The October 27, 2025 special meeting of the Colorado Springs City Council focused on the proposed 2026 budget, which includes significant cuts to public safety staffing and the closure of community centers. The session was marked by extensive public testimony expressing deep concern over underfunded fire apparatus, below-market firefighter salaries, and the disproportionate impact of budget reductions on Southeast neighborhoods and vulnerable populations.

Consent Calendar

  • No specific consent calendar items were explicitly detailed or voted on in the provided transcript excerpt.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Derek Wheeler (Resident & former CSFD Battalion Chief): Expressed that firefighters are 10-18% below market wages, resulting in significant income loss (e.g., Battalion Chiefs earning $25,000 less than peers). Stated that the current model is "balancing the budget on the backs of your employees" and urged the council to acknowledge structural revenue problems rather than subsidizing services through lost income.
  • Kurt Crum (President, Local 5 Firefighters): Highlighted that current funding is inadequate for apparatus replacement (some trucks are 25+ years old vs. a recommended 12-15 year cycle) and SCBA equipment replacement (estimated $5 million needed with no funding). Stated that while a public safety sales tax or marijuana tax earmark could help, they are not stable long-term solutions; urged the council to consider a dedicated property tax increase for public safety.
  • RC Smith (Retired Battalion Chief): Emphasized that without raises for active employees, retirees cannot receive raises despite rising costs, noting that a half-pay retirement at current salary levels results in a significant $1,000 monthly loss for widows. Argued that staffing new stations without sufficient funding is "nonsensical" and urged for reallocation of existing resources.
  • Carol Beckman: Stated that Parks is bearing a disproportionate share of budget cuts with a 10.5% reduction, compared to the general fund's 2.5% decrease. Positioned that cuts have pushed park funding to levels not seen since the 2008 recession and urged that cuts be made proportionately and fairly.
  • Brittany Lancer (High Roots Wellness): Expressed concern that the closure of Meadows Park Community Center signals a trend of cutting community services and asked for clarity on how other community services will be supported amidst budget reductions.
  • Joyce Salazar (Director, RISE Southeast): Stated that the potential closure of community centers shifts burdens onto neighborhoods like Stratton Meadows and Hillside. Expressed that cuts to these centers send an "unintended message that some neighborhoods matter less than others" and are devastating to youth and family stability.
  • Emily Tameo (Resident, District 20): Pleaded for more community conversation before sweeping cuts are finalized. Expressed that residents are being asked to bear the burden of cuts to safety and community resources without prior input, citing disparities between North and South sides of the city.
  • Lonnie Mira (Resident): Expressed strong opposition to closing community centers, arguing it hurts seniors, people with disabilities, and the local police and fire departments by increasing stray residents and crime. Criticized the council for not listening to the community and warned constituents about future elections.
  • Trish Anderson (Resident Advocate): Reiterated community concerns regarding safety in the Southeast neighborhood, citing a rise in teen gang violence. Requested the reopening of the community center or the establishment of a police office there to address safety and provide a safe space for youth and food distribution.
  • Karen Fleming (Former Community Center Staff): Argued that fire, police, and community centers are all interlinked in providing "safety, security, and saving." Urged the council to open the door for a partnership to support the community rather than making cuts that victimize residents.
  • Councilman Williams: Stated that the effort to close Meadows Park was led by Councilwoman Henjam due to his medical absence, clarifying he was not abandoning his district.
  • Councilwoman Hinjam: Expressed gratitude for the record-breaking public turnout. Acknowledged the lack of a public safety sales tax increase since 2001 and the growing infrastructure debt (approx. $80 million). Stated that "we are not gonna grow our way out of this problem" and highlighted concerns about the council considering a flat revenue budget which would result in an additional $3 million in cuts.

Discussion Items

  • Fire Department Infrastructure and Salaries: Council members and speakers discussed the 25-year age of frontline fire trucks, the lack of funding for SCBA replacement, and the 10-18% wage gap compared to peer cities. The speakers positioned that without a dedicated property tax or stable revenue source, the department cannot retain staff or replace essential equipment.
  • Parks and Community Center Cuts: The discussion highlighted the 10.5% cut to the Parks department. Speakers positioned that closing the Meadows Park Community Center disproportionately impacts Southeast neighborhoods and removes critical support structures for youth and seniors.
  • Revenue and Taxation: A major theme was the lack of a dedicated revenue stream for public safety. Councilwoman Hinjam noted the city has not increased the public safety sales tax since 2001 and debated whether to pursue property tax increases or refer tax measures to the ballot.
  • Staffing and Operations: The council acknowledged the loss of 38 staff members and the implementation of furloughs (excluding first responders). The decision to cancel the fire training academy for 2026 was discussed as a temporary, non-ideal measure.

Key Outcomes

  • Adverse Fiscal Decisions: The Council is proceeding with a budget that includes the closure of the Meadows Park Community Center, a 10.5% cut to the Parks department, and the cancellation of the fire training academy for 2026.
  • Staffing Reductions: 38 staff positions have already been eliminated or are in the process of being cut due to budget constraints.
  • Revenue Deliberation: No new tax measures were approved in this meeting. However, Councilwoman Hinjam explicitly noted that some council members are considering a flat revenue budget (1.4% increase), which would exacerbate the financial strain and require approximately $3 million in additional cuts.
  • Directive for Future Action: Council members acknowledged the need for long-term conversations regarding revenue generation (property tax vs. sales tax) and the necessity of referring measures to the ballot to fund growing public safety needs, though no immediate directive to add revenue was passed in this transcript.

Meeting Transcript

So if a suggested citizen would like to increase funding in the area, they should suggest an area for the decrease of funding as well. I will now call the names from those signed up, starting with Derek Wheeler. And make sure the green button is on so that we can hear you and state your name for the record, and you have three minutes. Derek Wheeler. President Crow Iverson, President Pro Tem Risley, distinguished members of City Council. My name is Derek Wheeler. I'm a Carol Springs resident, and I have proudly served with Color Springs Fire Department for over 30 years, the last 13 as a battalion chief. Of our 18 chief officers, only Chief Royal has been in tenure longer than me. I tell you that because three decades with the CSFD have given me not only experience and perspective, but also a deep personal investment in the well-being of both this city and the fire department. The last time I stood at this podium and addressed city council was during the recession in October of 2008. As the newly promoted captain, I said publicly it's wrong to ask those who deliver city services to pay more than those who receive them. 17 years later, that statement still holds true. In 2026, CSFD firefighters of all ranks will be 10 to 18% below their market. That means firefighters will make 14,000 less than their peers. Paramedics, 11,000 less. Driver engineers, 19,000 less. Lieutenants, 14,000. Captains, 16,000. And battalion chiefs will make 25,000 less than their front-range peers. To simply reach market would require an additional 10 million dollars, raising the 2026 fire department budget from 109 million to 119 million. In other words, the citizens are getting 119 million dollar fire department, but firefighters are having to pick up the tab for the last 10 million. That's not support for public safety, as we so frequently hear from elected officials and city leadership. That's balancing the budget on the backs of your employees. Here's some additional perspective on the inequities experienced by firefighters. The average Collar Springs resident pays 112 in property taxes for city services. Using a CSFD driver engineer as an example, in 2026, they will pay $19,000 more than their neighbors through below market wages to receive the exact same city services. That is neither sustainable nor is it an ethical business model. During your 2026 budget work session, Councilman Linewerber asked Chief Royal how firefighters feel about their low pay. His response, hmm. You know, hmm. Let me state clearly for the record. Chief Royal's response in no way reflects the sentiments of your firefighters. The truth is we feel undervalued, and we want the practice of subsidizing city services through lost income to end. I don't expect you to fix this in the 2026 budget, but please acknowledge that Colorado Springs has serious and dire structural revenue problems. Have the courage to stop talking and start doing something about it. Make it so that every time you say you support public safety, you can do so knowing your firefighters are paid fairly and that we truly feel supported. Thank you. Any questions? I don't see me at this time. Next up we have Kurt Crum. Hello, Kurt Crum, Color Springs Fire Department, Local Five. Council President Crow Iverson, President Risley, President Pro Tem Risley, and honorable members of Council. I'm Kurt Crum, President of Colorado Springs Professional Firefighters Local Five. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today about the proposed 2026 budget and the future of public safety in our city. Fire Chief represented his budget and addressed your questions prior. I stand before you today to share the concerns of men and women of the Colorado Springs Fire Department. Concerns that not only affect our firefighters, but the safety of our entire community. The chief has spoken about the growth our department needs or will need to meet the city's expanding demands. That growth is essential. But how can we talk about growth when we can't fully fund what we already have?

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