Let's go ahead and get started then.

I don't have the script in front of me, but I am gonna roll with it.

So with that, let's go ahead and call the meeting to order.

I don't, you know what?

I actually just realized I don't have the words in front of me since I had planned to be there.

Do you need me to read into the record that we're a group of volunteers of professionals?

We serve in a volunteer capacity.

We don't have any volunteer to meet you.

Judy, if you would like to read that, go ahead.

I'll read it.

So Judy's gonna read.

Thank you.

Um all meetings are open to the public.

Those who wish to participate may do so in person or by phone.

And then it has a dialogue number.

If you would like to comment on the agenda item, please contact the case planner for item.

And the wrong one, huh?

Sorry.

Okay, let's try this again.

Good afternoon and welcome to Colorado Springs Historic Preservation Board meeting for January 5th, 2026.

The historic preservation board is comprised of seven members appointed by city council to administer the historic preservation code.

Historic preservation board members are community volunteers who express with expertise across a wide variety of disciplines.

Each member acts independently, carefully assessing all the evidence presented to make their decision.

And then it says clarify any ground rules for public attending or how public comment may be handled for all items on today's agenda, but we don't need we need that for full.

Okay, so if we could go continue with um roll call, Chair Lowenberg.

Present.

Board member Fitzsimmons.

Or member Potter.

Board member Bugal.

Here and board member Heinz.

Here.

Thank you.

We have five members person.

Right.

Christina, I have the agenda in front of me.

So the next item is changes to agenda and postponements.

We have no uh changes to the agenda.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Um number three on the on the agenda or communications.

Uh first uh is our communications from city staff.

And um the next would be uh any communications from uh historic preservation board members today.

Um so I'll guess I'll go ahead and get get started.

Um so I guess happy new year and welcome to the uh first meeting of 2026.

Um I do not um have a whole lot um planned for you because it is the first Monday after the big holiday season.

Um but um to um kick off the the new year, I would like from the historic preservation board um some help with the training that we had discussed with Lindsay Welling from the state um historic fund.

And that was um best training that related to best practices for historic preservation board and commissions, um, and then also work on uh uh education and outreach.

And I know that the board had said that they were all um interested in this.

Uh Lindsay is also uh very interested in doing this, but I do think that it would be uh best if this um training was done in person.

And I would also like to uh recommend that um we do the training um on a night where we don't have a historic preservation board meeting.

And I just wanted to get a thumbs up or a yes or no, if that's okay with the historic preservation board.

It would mean that we would have like a second meeting in a month.

Um Christine, Jim, Judy, Paul, um Sarah or Matt.

Um just any input on that.

And I know which month.

Um well I was going to suggest two um two dates.

Well, I was going to suggest two um two dates.

The week of the oh sorry, I'm in the wrong calendar.

The week of the um the last week of January, which is the week of the 26th, or the second week of February, which is the week of February uh 9th.

Um, with the exception of Friday, because it's a mandatory furlough day for uh the city.

And I am not allowed to be fine with me.

So I just want to make sure either of those weeks work for everybody.

No, um, I cannot do that week in January.

Okay.

Um if you're we're looking at the first week of February.

Um so Friday is out for you, you said Thursday.

I know would not work for at least one of us.

There's an event at USAFA that um is gonna take up quite a bit of effort.

Um, but otherwise I could do that week, the first week of February.

So could we shoot for the 9th or the 10th?

Oh, the next week.

So yeah, yeah, it would be the following week, Christine.

Sorry.

Um I mean, unless everyone is okay.

Is that all right?

Or the other one would be um if it's okay, would you be all right to do um a second meeting the first week of February?

No, okay.

So well, I just want to throw out though, that's the week of CPI.

Oh, go ahead.

The week of the ninth.

Oh what Colorado Preservation Inc.

I've got that on the calendar for that's when CPI is.

All right.

Um so if there are those that are attending that, what about the week of the 16th?

But we could it would be the 17th, 18th, 19th, would be the best days of that week.

I could I could do any of those.

Okay.

Yeah.

Right.

Um so I'll I will shoot for that.

Um and then the meeting time would it be okay five to seven or 530 to 7:30.

Works for me.

Okay.

Okay.

Sounds good.

All right.

Why so late?

Why so late?

No, 4:30.

Just to give everyone a little extra time to get here.

I think 4 30 is 4 35.

Oh, you want us in in person for sure?

Yes, I I think it would be best if we did this in person.

Okay, split the difference five.

4 30 is a struggle for me.

Okay.

All right.

We'll split the difference and do five o'clock.

All right.

So I will confirm a date um either the 17th, 18th, or 19th, uh, beginning at 5 p.m.

Uh, and I will uh it will be with uh Lindsay flew out fluelling from State Historic Fund.

She's our um uh certified local government um designee at the state.

Uh and I will also be inviting the Historic Preservation Board from Manitou Springs.

Just for a little um uh coordination with other local historic preservation boards.

I appreciate that, Bill.

I know everybody does.

I just wanted to ask, um, you know, as we were reviewing the minutes for approval.

Um we had talked about in November you were gonna try schedule for December or January.

Did you get did you not get great response in doing that?

Or was it did it seem like it was a problem for board members to do that?

It wasn't necessarily a problem with our board members, but it was a problem for Lindsay.

All the dates that I had suggested um didn't work for her.

Um and um the the two dates that I did request from uh manitou, yeah, they had told me that they weren't gonna be good and they prefer that we did it in early 26th.

So got it.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

All right, that's all that I have.

Oh, um, Matt does ask if Ryan Tief and Tiller will be bringing snacks.

I I see that.

Uh we'll see, Matt.

You you'll have to show up to find out.

Deal.

Actually, I heard that Christine was making gumbo.

So I was just about to say it's our colleague, so I could probably do something.

Yeah, that would be easy to do.

So okay, awesome.

That's that's all I have.

So I'll um just turn it over to any historic preservation board member that has some announcements.

I do know that Judy has a quick announcement.

We'll let Judy go first, and then I have a couple of things.

I just wanted to do a quickie on uh update on the historic Mesa Road project where we're trying to, we're in the process of getting not trying to, we're in the process of getting um designation of Mesa Road as a historic linear resource.

So it's different from a building because it's a road.

And um at this point, we just uh last week retained Ron Sladick to do our preliminary uh report to History Colorado.

So we're well on our way with that.

And uh he he said he wouldn't take project if he didn't think it would fly, and he definitely thinks, having looked at all of the research that we've done that this is uh viable from it.

Actually um ticks off two areas, one being the fact that the road itself was uh the main artery of uh the of the uh rural area going from Glen Erie to uh McAllister's house.

Uh but before that, it was actually used by the Ute Indians, uh, not only uh for in a couple of locations, one being right where the Garden of the Gods resort is now, and another one on the south end as uh overlooks because they wanted to be able to see what was going on and who was coming into the Garden of the Gods, and then um so and then also General Palmer did not build the road, he improved upon it.

The Ute Indians when they would have their uh events in Garden of the Gods, actually that the last event they had, they had um four 600 people and 400 horses, I believe it was.

And what they did is they had two tracks each four feet wide going along the top of the Mesa, and they raised their horses.

They had horse races up there.

So we can track Mesa Road, the use of Mesa Road all the way back to then.

Um besides that, I just also want to say uh at our last our uh meeting last week, uh council member Donaldson attended our our entire meeting, and he felt that he could see no reason why uh this the city council unanimous unanimously wouldn't approve this project.

He was very excited about it, and uh so other than that, we um we do have our letter from the IRS and our employee identification number of which is all we need for having a budget of less than 5,000, but then uh in the middle of March, we will get our 501c3.

We've been a non-profit corporation for two years, so uh that's where we are with that, and I just wanted to bring you up to date as far as other just a couple of other things.

You know, for historic preservation, it has to be uh historically significant uh people, place or events.

And uh just wanted to say that one of the uh there are many, many uh historic places, but one that's particular you may be particularly interested in is uh Liller Hagerman House that's on the corner of Walnut and Mesa across the street from Bristol School, and uh Liller was the very first uh editor for what was called Out West before it was the Gazette, and he actually was recommended to Palmer by the Bishop of Canterbury.

So that and here's a picture of the house here, and then the uh another thing that I thought you might be interested in knowing is overlooking Mesa Road in uh on September 3rd in uh 1868, you know, you know, the Ute Indians were our friends, but as a result of the mass another uh different massacre, uh the Sand Creek Massacre, other unfriendly Indians Indians came and they actually um killed some boys that were hurting, and one of them was uh hurting um overlooking Mesa Road.

You know, you know, the Ute Indians were our friends, but as a result of the mass, another uh different massacre, uh the Sand Creek Massacre, other unfriendly Indians Indians came and they actually um killed some boys that were hurting, and one of them was uh herding um overlooking Mesa Road.

So those are just a couple of tidbits of things.

We have probably I would say probably three 400 different documents.

We've taken our we've taken Mesa Road all the way back to the original surveys that were done in the United States before before we were even a state.

So when we were even before we were the very very first surveys that were done, we have all of that information.

So that's it for me.

Nice.

That's great.

Thank you.

Wow, that's super interesting.

Congratulations on those steps forward.

Um just kind of quickly online.

See if anyone had anything.

I'll just kind of call as you go around as I go around the screen.

Sarah, did you have anything for the group?

Uh I was just wondering.

I recently did some work with the Ivy Wild School and was talking to them if they had become uh and I haven't done any research or anything, but I thought that I'd bring it up here.

If the possibility was for them to be designated as a historic property.

That was that was all of a but a question.

Um that I just didn't know, and still being new in my first after this first year, but I thought I just hadn't heard us talk about it or bring it up.

So yeah.

Yeah, they said it's not as far as they know.

Uh the blue star group that's running the property b said she believes that they haven't done anything or been involved with any designation of it, but that doesn't mean yeah, that it's not our ready, but that was just my question to bring up to the group today.

Ryan T for Tiller, I'll just very quickly say that I was the staff planner that worked with the Blue Star Group and their partners to rezone and uh convert the school property to what it is today.

And uh I don't believe it was designated because it was a school prior to their acquisition, it was just a school and school districts aren't generally going out and getting historic designation for their school buildings.

Um they should be and maybe they should, but I don't believe that district 11 has a has a strong history of doing that.

And uh, and then when they did convert it, they did do fairly significant additions to that building on the north and south wings.

Um and make a number of other changes.

Not saying that it's still not worthy of designation, but it has been modified fairly significantly.

Yeah, that's that was what I was wondering.

Okay, yeah, I just thought it would be an interesting, yeah, as we see more buildings like that that might be renovated to you know see what the possibilities are and what changes kind of change that designation opportunity.

Yeah, you have those conversations.

You should encourage people that have historic buildings to have their if they are interested to designate them either locally by the state or by on the national register because particularly for buildings like Ivy Wild School, um, there are good historic tax incentives that are available for people related to restoration.

Um you know, even things that we can't see mechanical plumbing.

Um it's an important tool for um, I think the six for successful revitalization or continued use of historic buildings.

So I'll follow up with them and then I'll follow up with the group in an email and kind of just go over all of that.

Thank you guys.

Could you send could you contact them the way you did with um the thing on North Nevada?

The bar.

Just letting them know that they're there that they may be eligible for well, the difference here would be that um the Navajo Hogan is a nationally registered property.

Uh and so that was that's I think providing that new owner information about the property, what uh benefits they may have as uh being on the national register in this case, it would be um simply maybe providing the information to that property owner.

And they may have they may know already, but maybe Sarah can do this in this case that um you know identifying some of the benefits of uh having your property designated as a historic landmark.

But maybe Sarah can do this in this case um that um you know identifying some of the benefits of uh having your property designated um as a historic landmark.

So okay, absolutely certainly could.

I have pretty regular contact with uh the blue star group uh because they have a number of properties that they're often doing things on.

So I can mention it next time I talk to them as well.

Good.

Yeah, wonderful.

Space repetition never hurts.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Thanks, Sarah.

Um going around the screen, Paul.

Do you have anything for the group?

Nothing for the group at this time.

Thank you.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Um Matt, do you have anything for the group?

Sure.

Um I've been pushing the state residential historic preservation tax credits to neighbors and anyone in my neighborhood, which is the old North End to try to utilize.

And no one has bit on it yet.

And I just put in a new HVAC system, and I'm gonna try it, see how successful it is, how easy it is, and then report back to the group.

And hopefully be able to guide people in the future and have contacts uh so more of our residents can use it.

So fingers crossed.

Awesome.

Good on you for doing that.

Good, good, good.

I think that's a good example of a historic preservation board member educating his neighbors on the benefits of being in a historic preservation district.

Which is a one of our roles as a good way to go, Matt.

Exactly.

Bravo.

I had another question.

I was uh walking in old north end and I saw a house um being gutted, uh not gutted, um outside ripped apart.

And I I don't remember reviewing anything.

It might have been a few years ago before I was there.

But it was on uh Tehone near Caramillo.

Um I don't know the exact address.

It was a White House um with its whole back ripped off and side ripped off and whole front um ripped off too, the whole porch.

So it's a major uh major construction.

Do you know of it, Bill?

Um and Kura Mule.

Yeah, north um northeast corner of one house in on Tejon.

Right off the top, I go.

No, that's not ringing a bell for me, um, for whatever that's worth.

Well, we can pick a look.

Yeah, I'd say Matt, if you want to confirm the address next time you're by there we can look into it and see if any building permits have been issued.

I could give you a street view.

Yeah, let me see if I can zoom in on it.

Yes, let me share my screen.

You guys can see this.

So there's Carameo.

Stay home.

Uh-huh.

This house is had the whole front ripped off this whole side, and the back is bare wood.

So what's that say?

1608 Teon Street on the upper left there.

Right there.

So let's let me get straight on it and see if it changes 1609.

Okay.

Nine.

Yeah, and there's a there's a fence all around this.

Well, let us look into it and we can get back to you.

Okay, sounds good.

I think somebody's trying to pull a fast one.

I certainly don't see anything.

So I'll I'll look and report back to everybody.

Sounds good.

All right.

Well, thank you, Mr.

Fitzsimmons.

Um, I just I just had a couple of couple of items.

Um I had committed that in December I would reach out to city staff regarding alternate positions.

Um I ran out of time due to some unanticipated um family events.

So this month I'll reach out um just as a reminder, um, with Vice Chair Baumgartner stepping down and um relocating to Denver.

Um we're going to need to think about that.

Um as well.

We don't have alternates.

Um, I also want to put that out there for a couple reasons.

My term isn't up until um end of 2027, but I will not be interested in serving as chair in the next go-round and may step down sooner than that as chair, not from the board, but just from the chair.

So I'd really like this group to start thinking about that, start thinking about who's interested in vice chair.

Think about whose interest is in the chair position later this year.

And it's just kind of become a lot.

And I've been doing it for a long time.

And I think it's a good opportunity for others to come forward and take the reins on being the chair.

So put a pen in that.

So we as a group had discussed having the entire year was good to think about that, but I want to keep that on track.

So I don't know what applications look like, but I'd like to think about maybe the March meeting doing that and just put a bug in your ear, Bill.

If we don't have too many applications for thinking about that.

Well, we could do it in February.

And let me just check something real quick.

I think we could do it in February.

If we got an application, it would end up on March.

March is the two.

Okay.

Okay, I'll um I'll follow up and give you a call, Bill, and let's talk a little bit about it and um kind of how we want to frame it.

So appreciate everyone on that.

Um and those are the two items that I had.

Awesome.

Okay.

So with that, uh, we move to agenda item number four.

Um agenda item number four would be uh approval of minutes.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Sorry, I uh I said approval of minutes, Christine.

I didn't know if you had the agenda up, but I think you have it up now.

So I do, I do, yes.

I just didn't have the script earlier what I didn't have.

So okay, so our first item, item 4A, HPB 2313.

These are the minutes for the October 6th historic presentation, historic preservation board meeting.

Um at this meeting, um Paul Baumgarner was acting as chair.

I was not able to be there due to travel related to work.

So I would put that out there to see if there is a motion.

I will have to abstain since I wasn't present.

I'll move to accept the minutes as written.

This is board member Baumgarner.

I second that Fitzsimmons.

Um abstain.

Umber Potter.

Hi Board Member Brubound.

Hi.

Board member Heinz.

Hi.

Oh, it fits in.

Hi for Fitzsimmons.

Don't forget me.

Never okay.

Sounds like this.

Members in favor, thank you.

Okay.

Sounds like the that passes.

Next item on the agenda um approval minutes would be HPB 2316.

These are the minutes for the November 3rd, 2025 Historic Preservation Board meeting.

Did you guys have a chance to look at the minutes or I'm not hearing anyone?

I did not.

Should we defer that to next month if there um aren't others who had the opportunity to look at those minutes?

I would just recommend we defer those uh minutes uh for a decision in the February meeting.

No, I agree with that.

Okay, so we'll do that.

Okay, the next item on the agenda is consent calendar.

There was nothing on the consent calendar.

So that we're gonna move forward to item number seven, unfinished business.

We have no outstanding business.

Moving on to item number eight, new business.

Um this would be the Colorado School for the Deaf and the Blind National Register nomination.

Um yes.

All right, I'll just do um a quick um introduction to this, but um the Colorado School uh for the Deaf and the Blind um has submitted um an application uh for um uh designation on the National Register of Historic Places.

Um the School for the Deaf and Blind is on the state register of historic um of historic places.

Um the property is located, I think everyone is familiar.

It's at 33 uh north um institute, so it's um just at the corner of uh Pikes Peak and North Institute and uh it's that's it's western uh corner, it's eastern corner would be uh Pikes Peak and Hancock.

Um the uh property was originally developed in the 18 uh 1800s.

Um it was designated on the state register in the 19 um uh 90s.

The um this designation is not to designate the individual buildings.

This is a designation for the entire 32 acres, the whole campus to be designated as a historic um district.

Um there are um seven there um consists of there are 17 buildings on the property, um 12 of which are um identified as contributing to the district, and five of the buildings um identified as uh non uh non-contributing.

Um there was a map in the nomination form that did identify um both the contributing and the non-contributing buildings.

I think um everyone's familiar with the architecture of the um the buildings.

They're predominantly uh I think Gothic um in style and also uh mid-century uh modern, so the all the earlier buildings are the gothic style architecture, um and the newer buildings done in the big 50s and 60s were all uh mid-century uh modern.

Um when staff looked over the uh nomination form, uh I guess we agree with the um with the applicant that the application does meet the um eligibility criteria um under criteria um a for uh public buildings.

Um and so I think it would be um a recommendation that the that the uh historic preservation board could also find that the nomination meets the criteria uh for the national register, and I think that's all that um all that I have.

Um that is one image and I we do have several images of the building uh of the property um in the nomination form if if everyone would like to go through those.

So please I can share my screen here.

for the national register and I think that's all that um all that I have um that is one image and I we do have several images of the building uh of the property um in the nomination form if if everyone would like to go through those so I can I can share my screen here so we'll just um I'll just kind of start so this is this is toward the um this is the lab um final exhibits of the uh of the nomination so um the contributing buildings would be um the administration building um early circa early 1900s um uh brown hall uh which is uh 19 uh 43 the Argo hall um the photo here not circa 19 um 84 um the industrial building um the early 19 um hundreds uh here's West Hall um also circa 1930s uh Ritter Hall um it's uh this I think they they identified this undated photo but um from the 20s um also the steam plan 1920s and 30s the Hubert work um gymnasium uh 1924 um this is the Hubert work um gymnasium I think under um under construction or is this a photograph of it may have been when it was damaged by I think this is when it was damaged by fire so um and then there's the barn building on the site uh Palmer Hall um the Joan Jones Hall here and there's another Jones Hall after its uh remodel in 2018 um the Gottly building for in the 1950s there's the addition to the Gotlic building done 20 um 11 so there have been some alterations to um several of the um of the original buildings but they still maintain much of their historic character and also their um or educational functions um here's the urgent the early education um center so this is a mid-century modern style and from the uh from the 50s and that's what most of these buildings from here on out will show this is the Chase Stone Vocational Building uh built in the 1960s the Adams building from the 60s uh 70s and uh lions hall uh from the 1960s and 70s here is a map of the property so this would be the historic district um that would be designated um if placed on the national register um and then here is map map of the um uh all of the contributing buildings um that are uh part of property so I think we saw each of these buildings in the uh in the photographs let's see and then here's the the last five so these would be more of I think the last five are all the mid century um buildings uh and then this property identifies all of the non-contributing objects and uh structures that are on the site which just includes things like their basketball tennis courts their adventure court the track etc so and then um here are just some uh current photos of the of the property this is the administration building you can see that um the buildings do retain um even though they've been changed they do retain much of their original historic character and maybe more importantly um they maintain the educational uh function and use that this properties had historically thank you belle for sharing um i think that you know i i found the packet an interesting read um all you know it was a it was a long packet 205 pages hopefully everyone on the board had the opportunity to read that and review it um it's pretty comprehensive I thought and well done um there were a couple of tidbits in there that that I didn't know I thought I knew everything there was to know so that's why it's always you know kind of interesting for those of us who like historic preservation to to be able to see packets like this because it it really takes into account the entire history not just the use it's not just the buildings not just the buildings to your point but also the use um of the property and the

Um it's pretty comprehensive, I thought, and well done.

Um there were a couple of tidbits in there that that I didn't know.

I thought I knew everything there was to know.

So that's why it's always you know kind of interesting for those of us who like historic preservation to be able to see packets like this because it it really takes into account the entire history, not just the use, not just the buildings, not just the buildings to your point, but also the use um of the property and the significance of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think this is a uh I don't know.

I thought it should have been on the national register before it's at least I thought I thought so, but I don't know, I'm curious.

I didn't really get into to really why it only went through to the state process, but yeah, I think it's a it's an important property to the city of Colorado Springs um history problem.

Well to the state of Colorado as well, I think.

So it is, and I think I think as it's used for its academic purposes, I think that's also very important, you know, thinking about um handicap accessibility in all kinds of ways, right?

I think it's it's it's so important.

So I'm glad to see that it's going through this process now.

Yeah, I mean this this uh it's it this is a great example of how um we have um it was an example of how people were included into um um society.

Um even though they may have had um you know disabilities site hearing.

Um but you know, so uh yeah, I think it's a good example of of how they incorporated kids with these um disabilities into society dating back all the way to the 18 1800s and to modern times.

So we were the first building.

Who was the first building constructed?

Um what date was it?

Was it 1870 something?

Well, Colorado Springs.

Um the old main was constructed in 1876.

Um, but the original old main building was torn down um to make way for the Argo building that was built in um 1923.

But I thought if I remember right, the old main was removed only because it was dam.

I think it was damaged by fire.

Um that'd be scary.

Well, I mean you think about like, yeah, this is definitely one of the earliest buildings in Colorado Springs.

I mean CC was established in 1874.

Um I think it's you know really speaks to how forward thinking and progressive in terms of overall inclusion.

Um the community was at that time.

Yeah, I can um I don't know if you guys like well the reason why I asked the question is about a couple of years ago I was either watching wagon train or the big sky or one of those westerns.

And it was an episode about a young girl who was was who's coming to the Colorado school for the deaf and blood.

And I was just so wagon train on the way to Oregon or something had to be in the 18 18 70s.

Uh-huh.

So school probably was in operation in, you think?

Oh, was wagon train uh a blue sky taking uh Hollywood uh liberty including it in the script.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think they were pretty accurate in the presentation.

Probably so.

Yeah, probably I'm kind of looking at some things.

Bill, um I heard the history of this place and and prisons around Colorado is they had to divvy up these state um facilities.

And everyone wanted a prison because that's a lot of workers.

And uh Colorado Springs got the school for deaf and blind.

Do you know the history of that?

I don't I don't.

So it wasn't the community that um created this for the deaf and blindness for the state.

Legislature.

So they divvied out universities, prisons, this school and other facilities for the state and Colorado Springs got this facility.

I don't Colorado College.

I don't think that's donated quite a few quite a bit of maybe it was a school for deaf and blind before it became a state school for deaf and blind.

I think that's I think that's an interesting.

I mean that's I think that's an interesting thing about uh maybe the yeah why some communities have schools and some were left with just prisons.

So I won't judge, but maybe it's best to be on the side of educational directions.

But uh state hospital um I uh I have recollection of the Colorado school with deaf and blind because I was a kid growing up in Walden, Colorado.

My grandfather was a football coach and a wrestling coach, and I remember riding the bus to Colorado Springs to have the North Park Wildcats played the Colorado School of Deaf and Blind in high school football.

Anyhow, but um aside from that, uh anyhow, I think um, yeah, it's this is uh this property is I think eligible and a good candidate for the National Register of Historic Places.

I do too.

I um and I as I recall from doing these, we need to do just a vote in support for that nomination, correct.

What was that?

Sorry, Christine.

I was just saying, um, as I recall from prior applications, we are doing um strictly a vote for support of the nomination um here at this board meeting, correct?

Yes, that is correct.

Um and then if if the board does um that um I will we'll send the uh there's a there's a form that um has already been uh uh filled out um if um the um the board agrees that this property is eligible under criterion A and that you recommend that the nomination meets the criteria we will forward this to the state historic uh preservation commission um and i think i included um in the packet the uh agenda this will be in this will be considered by the state historic preservation commission on this 16th of January Friday the 16th okay um i will then just before i asked for um for a motion on that i just want to share with you what i had pulled up when i was reading the packet to miss to matt fitzsimmons point um so um the school was founded as the colorado institute for the education of mutes quote unquote by jonathan kennedy in 1874 it received an appropriation of five thousand dollars from the territorial legislature to open it um on April 8th.

Um it was a rented house downtown Colorado Springs, and then in 1895, so about 20 years later, the school was renamed, and the current location was granted for the school by William Jackson Palmer.

He granted, yeah, right that rings true for all of us.

Um okay, so with that, I'll ask if there's a nomination to support the nomination of this package.

I vote to nominate in support of this package.

Let's do that.

Um is there a motion?

I didn't see a motion in the packet.

I second one second.

Do we have to?

Um for legal purposes, it's yeah, literally someone oh, I wasn't sure.

You can maybe share the motion and all right, Sarah.

Do you see the motion on your screen?

Yes, I do.

So uh I motion to approve the historic preservation board after its review of the national register nomination for the Colorado School for the Deaf and the Blind recommends that the proposed nomination meets criterion A for listing the property in the National Register of Historic Places with the following condition one city staff submit on behalf of the historic preservation board, the Colorado certified local government national register nomination review form to the Colorado Historic Preservation for the Colorado School for the Deaf and the Blind Okay, um I think I heard Mr.

Okay.

I heard Mr.

Fitzsimmons second that.

So we could do a roll call vote, please.

Chair Lowenberg.

Board member Fitzsimmons.

Aye.

Board member Potter.

Aye.

Board Member Burbaum.

Aye.

Or member Heinz.

Hi.

The motion passes unanimously.

Awesome.

Thank you.

I think this is a great opportunity for the school.

Okay.

But I still want to know what TV program.

Who's gonna Google?

Which one was it?

Wagon train pro wagon train.

Gunsmoke.

Oh big sky.

I have a question.

Once this is approved by the state.

Will there be do we do we traditionally do any kind of little blurp in terms of publicity somewhere?

Saying congratulations.

Whatever, you know, to make the public aware.

We have not.

Um with the last one, we've done a little blurb with city council that this has been done.

But um well, that would be could do press releases on be by the historic preservation board.

I can see whether or not we can you know we're it's just I've never uh well I've been here, we haven't done that.

So um PR or public information has not been something that uh I've done um uh as I guess the your historic preservation board liaison, but but yeah, and I think I think it I think the way we've handled it in the past, um doesn't mean it has to be the way going forward, has been to roll things like this up into our annual presentation to city council, uming that there were press there and there was sort of that sort of thing.

Yeah, we did talk last year about thinking about this year as we roll into that.

It might be um kind of a neat idea to do something in totality for the historic preservation board, uh, you know, kind of a year in summary, like wow, what amazing things we've done.

But um, I think we also would recognize that um city staffing, you know, we're limited in resources and what availability we've got.

Well, I think if it goes before the city, you know, if the city council is informed, then that is a public forum.

So that's fine with me.

I just was wondering.

Yeah, no, I think it's good.

I think these are good things.

Yeah, these are good things to promote.

It's good news.

Right.

It's really good news.

Okay, um, that was great.

Thank you so much.

Um, with that, we don't have any presentations under item nine for the agenda.

So I think with that we have successfully arrived at agenda item number 10, adjournment for the meeting.

Um, unless I hear something, I see folks already standing up.

So we are definitely adjourned.

All right, thanks everyone.

Okay, thank you.

Happy New Year, all year.