Good afternoon and welcome to the Carter Springs Historic Preservation Board meeting for May 5th, 2026.

The Historic Preservation Board is comprised of seven members appointed by City Council to administer the historic preservation code.

Historic preservation board members are community volunteers with expertise across a wide variety of disciplines.

Each member acts independently, carefully assessing all the evidence presented to make their decision.

So we can ask Solange to do the roll call.

Okay, could you do the roll call?

Board member Lowenberg.

Absent Chair Music.

Present.

Board Member Baumgartner.

Present.

Board Member Bierbaum.

Board Member Heinz.

Present.

Board Member Fitziness.

Here.

Board Member Potter.

She is absent also today.

Thank you.

We have four members present.

All right.

I could do the changes to the agenda.

Great.

Are there changes to the agenda?

Bill.

I'm gonna say yes, we're gonna make a couple changes to the agenda.

I would make like to make an announcement first.

I just want to thank our applicants.

Um Patty Chase and Food First Lutheran Church for uh being flexible with the uh this meeting.

Um we had some confusion with the date as to when it was going to uh to take place.

The poster said one thing, the uh agenda said something else, and it was an error in the uh poster and postcards that were sent out.

So um if anyone really wants to know, our historic preservation board does meet on the um first Monday of the month, not the first Tuesday of the month.

Um but uh um their um dedicated uh staff member um could not get his days uh correct, didn't know the difference between the fourth and the fifth.

So anyhow, I really appreciate our applicants and then also for our board members for um accommodating us so we could make sure that these two applications could be heard in the month of May and not have to delay them until um June.

So because of that, we um are going to move on item uh three communications, the approval of minutes agenda item four, and also our last agenda item presentations and updates on the 2026 um survey work plan discussion.

We are going to move all of those items uh to the June Historic Preservation Board meeting.

Um all other um agenda items um which are listed in your consent in the business school statement, and that is all I have.

Thanks, Bill.

Um so items on the consent calendar will be acted upon as a poll without further public comment unless a specific item is called up for discussion.

Any items called off will be heard immediately after the rest of the consent calendar is decided on.

Solange, would you please read the item into the record?

Item 5A, HISD-2C002, 1721 North Testgate Avenue, garage glass ADU conversion.

Is there any commissioner who would like to pull an item the item from the consent calendar?

Anyone online?

All right, is there any city staff member who would like to pull an item?

No.

Is there any citizen in the audience wishing to pull an item from the consent calendar?

The only item on consent is 1721 North Cascade.

Any citizen um okay.

Anyone on the phone wishing to pull an item from consent?

No one on the phone or on online.

Okay.

Then may I have a motion to approve the consent calendar.

I make a motion we approve consent catalog.

I'll second it.

Okay.

Can we do a roll call vote, please?

Chair music.

Yes, I'm board member Baumgarner.

Just jumped off.

We'll move uh to Board Member Heinz.

Yes.

I apologize.

I blanked out there for a minute.

I aye from board member Baumgarner.

Thank you.

And board member Fitzsimens.

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes unanimously.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yeah, you can just go ahead and do the appeal instructions for the consent.

Okay, so for the item on the consent calendar.

Um in accordance with the requirements of section 7.5.415 of the city unified development code.

An affected party may appeal to the city council any action of the historic preservation board in relation to city code where the action was averse to that person.

Within 10 days of final action on the item being appealed, which would be Friday, May 15th, 2026.

The appellant must file notice of appeal and pay the 176 dollar fee with the city clerk.

The appeal letter should address specific city code requirements that were not adequately addressed by the historic preservation board.

City council may elect to limit discussion at the appeal hearing to the specific matters set forth in the appeal letter.

So we move on to new business.

Okay.

Item 8A, HIST-26-0003, first Lutheran Entryway Edition, a report of acceptability for uh 2795 square feet entryway addition to first Lutheran Church located at 1515 North Cascade Avenue.

All right, so I'll go ahead and take it from here.

So um all right, thank you, Pat.

Um so this is the uh report of acceptability application for first Lutheran Church um entry edition.

Um that's located at 1515 North Cascade Um Avenue.

It is located in the North and Historic District, Historic Preservation Umberlay.

Um any time there is an alteration addition or change to a structure that requires a building permit.

Um it does require review and approval by the historic uh preservation board.

Um the vicinity map shows on the location of the uh proposed or the location of first Lutheran church.

Uh we're specifically um today looking at the the uh southwest corner of the church where the um where the actual church uh building uh is located at the intersection of cascade and goina uh ventura.

So this um application is a report of acceptability for a 2800 square foot front entry edition.

The entry edition is located um on the um west elevation of the church.

My mouse is squirreling around looking at people.

It's the addition is the blue um uh polygon that is on the on the site plan.

So um the church has been in this location since 1959.

The first church was built on site in 66.

It was developed in uh three phases.

Um it is a combination of mid-century uh modern architecture and probably more modern um architect architecture um in the um historic district.

As we know the contributing buildings that established the North End Historic District were primarily main uh residential buildings.

And all of them are of late 19th century and early 20th century architecture.

To the right of the site plan, um you can see the um you can see the original um addition on the top left.

Um the um 70s edition just below that, and then a 1990s edition um the right side.

And so they are proposing, as I said, an addition.

Um staff has um city staff has reviewed this um edition, and we do find that the um addition, we do find that the addition is compatible to the architecture of the additional uh the existing church.

I think we find we would we would focus on uh the extent exterior material being used, the windows, stained glass, I think also the scale of the addition relative to the um original three buildings um of the church.

We would also add, I think that um the the applicants did consider um um the existing historical character of the north end um district, even though this is not even though this is a modern building, um it has existed in the north end for since 1966.

Um it was there before the establishment of the his the historic district.

Um so um you know one could say that you know it really is part of the neighborhood, but I do think they the addition does respect the character, particularly of the North Cascade Um Avenue.

Um of the strong characteristics of this area of um the district is that it did have large homes, they did have large front, it have more expansive um front yards.

So the addition does um continue that character on this property, does it push the front edition all the way to the street?

It maintains that uh front yard and also the tree-lined street that we have in this location, um, and they will be doing things to ensure protecting um that existing uh landscape um as they build this church.

So in our review, we did decide, yeah, that it does comply with the criteria of approval for a report of acceptability and also the north end um uh design standards, and I think this last slide will just include the motions for the board as you consider this application.

I think Pat Um at this point in time, I'll just ask um Bruce if he has any additional comments uh on behalf of the applicant on the proposed addition to the uh church.

Um well, simply that it's been studied for quite some time.

We've been looking at planning for more than a year, and I was uh blessed to be part of the Peelhouse project, which is the historic mansion.

Uh that was distinctly contributed to the historic character, and that approach was totally different than our approach on the church building.

Uh church building approach was way different.

It was to try to be sensitive, but yet acknowledging that it was a modern building and uh not necessarily a historic of the old end historic.

It's more of a known as mid-century modern, which is a much appreciated form of architecture going back to the 50s and 60s.

Um we develops quite a few schemes and recur and did reviews with the church, and um quite frankly, we're we weren't hitting the mark until uh recently, and we we feel very pleased and confident with the scheme that we have.

And the building, as um mentioned, is in three phases, and of note the first phase of 1966, in our opinion is the most notable and most uh distinguished, and that picture is interesting because that's before the um other editions.

But 79 and 93 editions were let's just say a boxy and um not terribly distinguished.

They did introduce table forms on two axes of the building, which they're fine, but the gable forms have real no correlation to the appealing mid-century building, mid-century modern facility.

So we were challenged to well.

So with that, I'll just a few bullet points of our design.

We've got low slope roof wings, and I think wings is a characteristic of it's a good term for the building.

So we're matching low slope roof wings.

We have a center piece for the sanctuary portion uh that divides those roof planes.

Uh with a center, yeah, the center forms somewhat of a steeple.

Also distinguished in the distinguishing of the building is the wave, the wave pattern, and the canopy that is out in front is two of these, and that was part of the original structure's uh cast in place concrete, which is quite unique, but it is a strong feature of the building.

Um broad overhangs.

We're not talking the typical 24 inch E's where these are five foot broad overhangs overhangs that project beyond the building mass.

So we are reflecting that in the addition and uh rep repetitive components creating a pattern.

Um the later editions have a broad expanse of glass, which has benefits.

We we were felt more keeping the glazing the glass a little more confined and emphasizing the brick, and we are certainly going to try to match the uh the red brick color with the addition, and just a clear identify a dot of viable uh church, a portrayal and centralizing in the entrance would be another secondary point, and um that glass in the middle it's centered in the building, it's because right now there's multiple entrances on the west facing front.

Now we're creating a primary entrance uh which distinguishes the building, and um yeah, I think that it's a it's a little bit bold, it fits our time, it but it connects with the 1960s structure, and I think amplifies the character of the church, and not lastly, I'll just say that uh historically neighborhoods have been rooted and grounded with church buildings, and if you go to any older city historically, even up Denver, you go through the historic neighborhoods, they have historic churches, and I kind of egotistically would say first there's the church is the neighborhood church at the north end, and we feel like we have done uh much due diligence and much effort into making this a community engaging, welcoming facility, and certainly the history of the church uh reflects that.

Um yeah, that's um that's all I have to say.

I'm glad to answer any questions, and then Pat, if you wanted, you could have the board ask questions, or you could just ask for public comment and then hold board questions till after you've got public comments.

Um I know we have a few people.

Did you speak up when you talk?

So he's he's he's giving me hints of course.

Uh, are there comments from the public on this project?

No, just a quick question.

And then I could just interrupt, I'll interrupt and speak.

If you could please introduce yourself.

Oh, I'm sorry, and then um where you reside.

questions till after you've gotten public comments um so but i know we have a few people could you speak up when you talk so he's he's he's giving me hints uh uh are there comments from the public on this project no just a uh quick question and then just interrupt i'll interrupt and speak if you could please introduce yourself oh i'm sorry and then um where you reside i'm she'll mcwill i live at 22 east caramelo that's sort of catty wampas from uh across the street from the church i think um we didn't even know this was happening until we got the the thing in the mail so take me back a little bit what is the purpose of this addition you are you making the sanctuary larger is it just uh big entryway what are we doing i can address that the church the original church it's called a narthex it's like a vestibule it's where people enter and it's a it's a vestibule before people go into the church and back in the day it was really just kind of an entrance and if you ever worship there well if you ever go in there it's a very narrow vestibule for the church seats about 300 thereabouts and um it's very awkward and crowded before and after service so we are the primary purpose is to expand the North X but not expand seating you don't anticipate correct the sanctuary if you've ever been in is very lovely there the only there is no expansion of the sanctuary uh additionally the edition will have modern stairway that's code compliant a little more open an elevator contemporary standards an entrance and it's it's basically a circulation space the North X and it's a pre-worship and a post worship space common it's a it's a common space the short answer is the no we're not adding uh seats or occupancy to the sector that's uh so wondering if you had any pictures of the interior of the of the the plan any interior space i would be glad to share that with you i do not have it okay that's um how long would you anticipate construction lasting that uh it'll probably be nine to let's say 10 months at 10 months to 12 months and we do have a schedule drafts schedule published and i did not bring that with me but um 10 months is a good guess or in is our outside time okay well initially is that off we are initially projected 14 months and we do have uh we do have a top tier general contractor selected already and that would be gonna ask you it is later but we have interviewed uh the church has in i say we the church has interviewed contractors and uh the contractor has been selected and they are a well-known name in our community and uh they have a history with the church as well and um they want to be as efficient as possible with the schedule one other quick question and if this may not be appropriate to this particular forum but of course parking is always an issue with the church um for them for neighbors when when things are going on you have any idea what the construction phase of this is gonna do to the parking along Buenaventura and and cascade is that gonna that's gonna get challenging I would think yeah of course the the church has lots of meetings during the week but mostly the worship on Sunday and the construction activity will be work hours and they do have the intent of preserving all the all the parking spaces yes um good luck with that is certainly the parking is uh yes challenge yes we all know everybody knows I'm a neighbor as well so and I okay so yeah frequently go by and see the car oh something's going on tonight that's very evident yeah there's that okay well that answered me you have a question oh yeah I'm my name is Bob McGuill and Sheila's husband live across the street just wanted to say that we were there for the previous construction I've been in the neighborhood for a long time and have always on the church if the nitpicking about the uh about the parking is just an incidental but we're kind of looking out for the rest of the people who may not have made this meeting and we'll ask about it later one neighbor particular out of sorts for a long time I think unrealistically but it's nice to know about the that yeah that it's it's being considered yeah there and that's been a long history it's not a new problem it's no I know

I've been in the neighborhood for a long time, and I've always found the church, you know, if the nitpicking about the uh about the parking is just an incidental, but we're kind of looking out for the rest of the people who made that made this meeting.

One neighbor particular one out of sorts for a long time, I think unrealistically, but it's nice to know about the yeah, that it's it's being considered.

Yeah, there and that's been a long history.

Oh, yeah.

It's not a new problem.

It's no, I know.

Um I remember when they wanted to take some houses on Tehowand for parking.

So the fire shop, yes.

Yeah, that didn't that didn't work.

All right.

And and uh when do you hope to start this project?

In the the construction in the fall.

Okay, okay.

Can I ask a question?

We live two blocks from it.

Is the entrance Patty Chase 1721 North Cascade?

So we're two blocks north on the same side.

Is the entryway there?

Is it gonna be two stories open?

Or is it two stories?

Do you know on the inside there?

I'm just curious.

The new entry is where the glass is right smack in the middle.

And that it's single story with there is a little bit of second floor edition directly at the if you're speaking of where the entry is now, that entry will be gone, and that space will be essentially a story and a half.

So that will be well as term the north x right there because Bill has an arrow.

Um that will be a tall volume, but there will not be an entrance there anymore.

That will be the common gathering uh after worship space for people to uh converse and uh fellowship.

Nice.

Um I think that answers your question.

But that's the front basically building in front of the existing sanctuary.

It's uh right now as you enter, it's a real low ceiling, it feels kind of cramped.

It's I mean a vast eight and a half foot ceiling.

The new space as you come out of the sanctuary will be a store and a half to two story tall.

Nice.

How many feet out towards cascade is the new it expands 20 part of it is 20 feet, and then another part projects out another nine feet, so 29 to 30 feet, and there'll be 34 feet left of grassy or landscape space.

Are you losing the bell tower thing?

That's a hot button.

Yeah, yes, we are losing the bell tower.

I think that's okay.

Yeah, we too.

No great loss there.

Yeah, I I could uh debate that, but it's it has been a topic of many conversations, and um but the shorter answer is yes, it's the uh the building edition encroaches into where the bell tower sits or the bell tower will go away.

We talked about trying to preserve it, and I thought is it worth preserving, and then looked at it structurally, and it's not practical at all.

I'd basically be easier to rebuild it than to be located.

So what form of what sort of new landscaping do you anticipate?

Um I would say we do have a preliminary landscape plan.

I would say it's going to be abundant, and there is plans for roses, there are plans for trees more tree.

The church lost some trees in a storm of year of a couple of years ago.

So there is a plan to be particularly along the south side to be abundant with the trees, and um we do have some bias here, one of the best landscape planning in town uh doing the landscape design.

Uh there's some connection with the church through that firm.

So they are uh we will be they will be preparing a final landscape plan that will go before um city and thank you.

Other comments from the public.

Are there any questions or comments from the board?

connection with the church through that firm so they are uh we will be they will be preparing a final landscape plan that will go before um city thank you other other comments from the public are there any questions or comments from the board i have a question but it doesn't really have anything to do with my vote it's just something i'm curious about so is that appropriate that's um it's also about the bell tower and it it's that i had occasion to be well to see the the van for the church over the weekend did you say the van the van a van a bus that belongs to the church and the bell tower is the image that is used on the van to represent the church and so i i'm just curious about whether there's been any discussion with the church or the you know the packaging of the symbolism or how that's going to change but as i said this is pure curiosity it has nothing to do with the approval of the design there has been uh a lot of discussion and yeah the church um there are some that have a close they have strong connection with the history of the the bell tower um it's yeah the church branding really isn't my department um but we did we do have a but the short end not the short answer but and from our approach the church imagery is going to be replaced so they will have some quote rebranding and again that's not my department but we do have a uh cross form that's going to be integrated into the brick facade that we will be a colored glass or stained glass decorative glass and that is going to be the primary thrust of its identity as a a church but if you do look at the um the sign on the street there's some of that underway and there's no bell tower imagery in that so it will be just part of the history of the church but that's the short answer it will become part of the history of the church thank you appreciate that any other questions from the board all Matt Jim no questions no questions uh I just want to say I appreciate uh how thoughtful you were with sticking with the original uh mid-century modern architecture instead of picking the 1979 version has a lot more character i concur if there's no more discussion um may i have a motion to approve the report of acceptability for the first Lutheran entryway edition i make a motion to approve the report of acceptability for the third Lutheran interview based upon the findings that review criteria for deciding on a report of acceptability as it full in city code section 7.528 thank you i'll second second that oh all right roll call vote then can we please clarify who has the second vote either one Paul or Matt Bill you decide it can be Paul one of Paul's final um final motions oh no swan song yeah sorry thanks Paul okay um carry the music aye member Baumgartner I sorry my microphone keeps getting stuck thank you board member heinz aye and board member fitzimmons aye thank you the motion passes unanimously instructions so yes read appeal instructions one more time all right so the motion passes to unanimously to approve the report of acceptability for 1515 for cascade with first Lutheran church um in accordance with the requirements of section 7.5.415 of the city unit you know city unified development code any affected party may appeal to the city council any action of the historic preservation board in relation to city code where the action was averse to that person within 10 days from final action on the item being appealed which would be Friday May 15th 2026 the appellant must file notice of appeal and pay the 176 dollar fee with the city clerk the appeal letter should address

member fitzsimmons aye thank you the motion passes unanimously instructions so yes read appeal instructions one more time all right so the motion passes to unanimously to approve the report of acceptability for 1515 for cascade with first Lutheran church um in accordance with the requirements of section 7.5.415 of the city unit you know city unified development code any affected party may appeal to the city council any action of the historic preservation board in relation to city code where the action was averse to that person within 10 days from final action on the item being appealed which would be Friday May 15th 2026 the appellant must file notice of appeal and pay the 176 dollar fee with the city clerk the appeal letter should address specific city code requirements that were not adequately addressed by the historic preservation board city council may elect to limit discussion at the appeal hearing to the specific matters set forth in the appeal letter with that um yes our scheduled presentations for may have been uh postponed so the meeting is adjourned thank you thank you thank you thank you all good night two questions