All right, I'll go ahead and call our April 13th.

April 13th, 2026.

Um, Columbia City Council work session to order.

Uh we have a couple of items on our agenda.

The main one is our airport master plan and just an update and discussion around that.

Um, and then the second is we have a bunch of different kind of like reorganizing of our own schedule of work sessions and things like that.

And so staff wanted to make sure to have a touch point with us to do that.

So without further ado, I'm assuming I'm kicking it over to the man of the hour, Mike Parks.

Well, good evening.

No pressure, no pressure.

All right, I got PowerPoint to work, I think.

So should be okay.

Uh I'm Mike Parks, airport manager.

I'm gonna have uh a few slides this evening, but generally uh happy to have a conversation about everything that's going on at the airport.

And just really want to start out with the our purpose statement.

I think was super important.

The airport's purpose is to provide a safe, reliable and efficient air transportation to support regional economic growth and a connectivity for residents in mid-Missouri.

We've done a lot uh over the years uh to make things better at the airport, but of course, the last year has probably grabbed more attention uh than it has in recent years.

So with that this evening, my intent is really to review the master plan.

I want to talk about the growth of the airport in transportation for passengers, talk about the history and then really what the outlook looks like, and uh and then also just the department structure and how we're currently staffed.

So I'm gonna jump into the uh master plan.

I I hope everybody had time to review the entire document since I gave it to you a week ago.

But yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

So it is a an extremely comprehensive plan.

Uh, and of course, we also put a link online to make it easy for everybody to have access to and to be able to look at.

But generally, it's to continue modernizing the Columbia Regional Airport to offer a safe and accessible facility connecting mid-Missouri to the world.

So the last master plan that we completed was in 2009.

Uh we generally had accomplished all the work in that master plan from 2009.

And so, really, the next steps were is a snapshot here about a year and a half ago when we began this master plan process was really a snapshot from that period on.

So as I go through this uh in reviewing some of the the points from the executive summary, just keep in mind that this really was a snapshot a year and a half ago, and a lot's changed.

And so that does make it a little bit challenging when it comes to master planning, of course.

Uh, but it was a snapshot at that time.

So with that, uh really the the whole point of this is is the growth of the airport, right?

So we currently have flights to Chicago, Dallas, Denver.

Uh we've got Charlotte starting uh the night of May 21st, first flight out May 22nd.

And then we have the Orlando flight starting on June 3rd, and we have Destin starting on June 5th.

So several uh several new flights, and ultimately this master plan was guided by the FAA.

Uh they walk alongside us with our consultant to really determine what things have we accomplished over the last 10, 15, 20 years, and really what's that snapshot look like in the future for projects that we need to ensure that our airport is ready and safe for growth.

Some of the projects that came out of the master plan, and I'll talk a lot more about projects that we've completed.

Uh, of course, we're recently uh in front of you.

We had the glycol recovery program uh and storage facility.

Uh we had the pasture boarding bridge, the aircraft rescue firefighting is uh is a fire station that'll be built at the airport in future years.

And then, of course, we had the what we call as the SRE building, uh snow removal equipment building that I'll talk about a little bit later.

Uh that really is gonna be the kickstart for development on the south end of the airfield as well.

And of course, uh that's grabbed a lot of attention is airport parking.

So, not necessarily is every project in the master plan going to be federally uh funded.

It really is again, it's what projects need to occur at the airport as we get certain thresholds and growth of the airport.

So I I mentioned this snapshot a year and a half ago when we started the master plan, and I think this is uh this is something that I brought up uh about the passenger numbers at the airport.

The FAA looking forward to 2044, uh projected us and approved a forecast of about 176,000 employments.

176,000 employments and people being flying out of the airport.

Uh currently we have an estimated, of course, flights are changing all the time, but we have an estimated of about 280,000 seats leaving the airport in 2026.

So uh with a 73 to 75% load factor, we're exceeding this by about 25,000 uh this year.

So we're uh we're definitely well ahead of the FAA forecast.

And uh of course, we can't you know, keep in mind we can't back up the master plan and say, okay, we're gonna start over because we got these new flights.

It really is.

We got to keep things moving uh based on the growth.

But super exciting to say that uh 176,000 was forecasted in 2043, and again, we'll probably have that around October uh of this this calendar year.

So the hold on, we use that microphone.

Okay.

Sorry.

And it parks Mike, I was gonna ask you with that.

Um, so while we can't back cast on that review of them, um, does it influence kind of like some of your other programmatic?

I assume the timeline for some of those things coming forward, and will you get to those?

It does.

And so I think if we talk about the passenger boarding bridge, right?

So the passenger boarding bridge, there was not a specific number of passengers that we were trying to accomplish to be able to accomplish that fourth passenger boarding bridge.

However, based on the increased uh flights and increased projected growth on this uh forecast, we were able to have the FAA approve that we fourth passenger boarding bridge because they knew the timeline of the flights plus the increased number of passengers.

We had a an expedited reason to make that happen.

So we will adjust projects in this master plan based on, of course, we're gonna have real growth, right?

And we're gonna be able to point to real numbers soon instead of just projected.

Uh, but we continue setting records as we go out throughout this calendar year, we're gonna be able to go back to the FAA and say, okay, we projected 176,000 by 2043.

Uh, we're in 195,000 for the calendar year.

So at what point then can we expedite that fifth passenger boarding bridge, which of course is on that capital improvement plan that we shared as well.

So we'll we'll expedite those projects.

And then just to clarify, so 18 months ago, the estimate was we would be at 176,000 in playmates, like not the seats, right?

Emplaymants mean people in seats in seats in seats by 2043, which we expect to hit in October of 2026.

That was just a guess off the top of my head.

Well, October, I would say, yeah, I would say we're be close.

Uh about 175, 176,000 October, I think would be fair.

Uh, with a 200,000 in-seat number, I think that would be extremely reasonable to say that it'll happen.

Okay, sorry, Nick, you had.

Well, I just I'm just wanting to be clear about these numbers you're talking about now, Mike.

So the adjusted number that's adjusted for what's happening now.

We are having we're having more flights and and all that.

Yeah, so that throws uh just I mean, that's the adjustment of the airport's adjustment.

That's correct.

That's correct.

So that's adjusted based on the addition of allegiance coming in, yeah, and also that Charlotte route.

Right.

And then also United added an additional uh Chicago route.

So it's based on the forecasted numbers that we have from American, United, and Allegiant, because American is also added capacity out of the airport.

And so we would hit according to the it's kind of hard to follow this, these lines.

So we would again, I think Barbara said this, but we did 176,000 about when we would hit 176,000 people in seats, probably around October of this year.

This year, yes.

Uh that's a little ahead of schedule.

That's yes.

And it doesn't take into it doesn't take into account the possibility that other flights, other airlines might be added down the road, and I'm sure that has an impact on adding those other gates, right?

Well, it does, and I I think you know, one thing we need to keep our consideration is adjustment to flights, right?

So we have five departures today to Chicago.

You know, is there going to be an adjustment at that?

That might be a little bit uh heavy on Chicago, probably.

You know, they could draw back a Chicago.

Uh you want to speak to that conversation that's happening right now nationally about OPAR.

There's discussions around the FAA restricting flights uh in out of O'Hare because of that concern.

Is that is that any concern of ours, or we're just kind of monitoring.

We have no control over that.

We have no control.

Ultimately, the airline's gonna make those decisions, but that's exactly right.

So uh could that impact us?

Yes, absolutely.

We could see United draw a flight back, we could see American draw flight back to to Chicago.

And I don't know that that's necessarily a negative thing whatsoever.

Again, we have a lot of capacity in Chicago.

There's great competition between American and United flying to Chicago, which is a great thing for mid-Missouri, right?

We we want those.

We want options.

We want a lot of different options for passengers.

But in the instance that one of the airlines decides to draw down one of those routes, it's not a negative thing.

Again, people will find a way to get there.

We want our load factors high.

We want the airlines to be profitable.

We want them to do well.

We have to fill seats to be able to maintain the capacity that we have.

And so keeping five departures a day to Chicago, it's a lot of people.

That's that's a lot of people going to Chicago.

We do have demand and it's continuing to increase, but we'll have to watch those load factors.

Yeah.

Valerie, and I apologize.

We're going to be talking at the fall time.

I don't know if it's okay if we interrupt you.

My car is not.

Okay, yeah, Valerie.

Do we have revenue guarantees for the flights to Chicago still?

And would that equation equation change if they call one back?

We do not.

We have no revenue guarantees for Chicago.

Okay.

Yeah, here.

What is that?

Wobbly triangle shape above 2026.

Is that indicative of anything?

I believe I meant to delete that out of there.

I left a portion of something.

I apologize.

That's okay, as long as I'm not missing anything there.

It's a new thing in charts these days.

Just adding shapes.

Okay, thanks, Mike.

Any other questions about this?

Again, you know, when I mentioned the 200,000 passenger number, really how I'm calculating that is again based on our previous uh calendar year, we had an average of about 75% load factor.

And so going into this calendar year, looking at the capacity going out of the airport, I'm calculating 73 to 75% load factor.

We're hopeful for more, uh, but that's how that 200,000.

So I believe that that number is pretty conservative number and a reasonable number to be able to attain.

So a little bit, uh and you probably read about the airport improvement program, the AIP funding.

Uh, we talk about this, of course, a lot during any type of federal projects that we bring to council.

That's the ability for the FAA to identify projects that they're willing to participate in.

In general, uh, airports and communities are responsible for the maintenance of the airport.

So if there's any sort of repairs to the runway, and when I say repairs, I mean small repairs, uh joint seal, any type of that maintenance-related project, that's the responsibility of the uh airport itself.

And then this AIP funding is a competitive program that really prioritizes projects based on the type of project project that they are.

So with that, you normally receive 90% funding for the capital project that's allowed in that program.

And then each one of those, uh each one of those projects is really rated for priority.

So, of course, as you would, as you would assume, a runway would be the highest priority, a taxiways the second, the aprons, the third, a parking lots near the bottom.

Uh so anything that you have that's in good shape, we do, and and I'm gonna mention all the projects that we've completed.

We do pavement uh uh management studies, we're constantly reviewing the pavement at the airport, and we do all of these in this airport capital improvement plan.

We do each one of these, and we tie all the projects from the master plan that you've seen in the master plan based on a timeline of demand.

We tie that into our airport capital improvement plans, or our ACIP, and we submit that to the FAA to competitively apply for federal grants.

And so anytime I come to city council and say, I want to move forward on the glycol recovery program, ultimately we've tried to move that forward.

I've talked to the FAA, we've placed it in our ACIP airport capital improvement plan, and the FAA is agreed that yes, that's the next step based on the other projects that they have within the central region.

So the central region that they're making decisions on is Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa.

So that's the central region of the FAA.

Those are the ones that we're uh we're competing with with those airports.

They will move uh we receive just in funding-wise, we receive 1.3 million estimated dollars per year in entitlement funds uh that we can use entitlement funds.

We can bank entitlement funds for future projects, so we can not use it a year and double it up and have 2.7 the next.

But those entitlement funds are based on passenger numbers, and so the at the mark of 100,000 passengers, you receive about 1.3 million dollars in entitlement funding for an airport.

That entitlement money goes towards this uh airport improvement plan, uh, towards your projects, and then you receive discretionary money in addition to that, whatever's not funded by that uh those entitlement funds.

So with that, each passenger that we have.

So when I talk about the growth of the airport and the importance of continuing to increase our employments, each passenger is about five dollars and nineteen cents in additional entitlement funding that we receive uh in addition to the 100,000 in playment number, which adds on to the 1.3 million.

So I didn't write it down, 200,000 employments, you have an extra 100,000 at $5.19 cents.

That's your additional entitlement money that you would expect if you had 200,000 passengers flying out of the airport.

It's based on employments, so it's based on uh people in seats is what they charge.

That's in addition to our pasture facility charges, which is of course $4.50.

So can I ask you, how would we see that?

Um, you know, because that's not necessarily like a line item that would come to us.

So when um let's say an airport project is coming across and the budget is coming to us, you know, we see the fiscal impact note.

Like, would you normally call that out, or is that just kind of in your budget?

You that's just your revenues you're already expecting.

Yeah, so that's the the federal money is held by them.

Uh, so then we just utilize that money.

Uh so we wouldn't call out entitlement funds or discretionary funds.

We would only say 90% federal funding.

That 90%, maybe 50% of that might be entitlement, 50% discretionary.

In general, small projects, and and I'm just gonna say the pasture boarding bridge, a 1.8 million dollar pasture boarding bridge, we probably have enough money in entitlement funds uh to pay for something like that.

When you look at uh if you looked at that capital improvement plan that I that I shared, you'll see big numbers, uh, extremely large numbers.

Uh with that, it and I'll just point out the runway reconstruction.

Our primary runway reconstruction is about a 40 million dollar project.

We will not have enough entitlement money to pay for a 40 million dollar runway.

So, with that, we will uh the FAA helps us each year calculate exactly out where we're at with entitlement funding.

They're also looking at the other airports and what priorities they have, and ultimately Lambert may need a new runway and they may need 100 million dollars, and so that might short everyone else, and then Columbia might need that 40 million dollars.

And so that then is spread around based on priorities and brace based on funding.

Thank you.

Yeah, okay.

This is way off topic, but I think this is the slide that will touch on it most closely.

Um asked about soil testing near the glycol recovery or wherever planes currently de-ice via council inquiry.

Do you have any information on our previous soil condition?

So we have records based on all of the testing that we do after the first de-icing event each year.

So as soon as we have a de-icing event, we notify our contract engineering company, which is engineering surveyance services.

They come out at the first day that there's any type of flow.

So we have eight testing sites uh that we test around the airport for any type of uh I'm not a I don't know all the details of the storm order, so I don't want to go into that, but you know, any type of uh you know, suspended uh any type of chemicals in there, any jet fuel, anything like that.

And then also, I know oxygen depletion, right?

That's one of them.

Uh, there's several of them that we've made improvements to the uh outflow areas, and so we'll have testing based on that first event every year that we submit to the DNR.

And so when we we talk about the de-icing uh project, a lot of that was driven by the communications that I've had with Department of Natural Resources based on previous uh testing.

We know that uh glycol, although considered non-toxic, still has an impact on the oxygen uh in the stormwater and probably you know, you know, multiple other things that it can have impacts on.

But ultimately, the conversation with DNR was although we know there's impacts, we're doing everything we can to add riprap, make improvements to those those locations to add, you know, increase the oxygen and make those improvements to filter that water.

Ultimately, what our goal was was funding for this facility to to contain this and then ship it out, dispose of it in a way that's that's acceptable to everyone, right?

Yeah, I appreciate that.

That's a good project.

We needed it, no disagreement here.

Um, are you able to forward those testing?

And does DNR regulate this in any manner?

Do they do they have an established level that we have to reach for glycol?

They do.

Yeah, they do for oxygen.

They do.

So they have standards, uh, those parameters that all of our testing has to meet, right?

And so any type of exceedances, then we have to put that in a letter, what the plan is for those exceedances, uh, what we're gonna do to make those improvements uh moving forward.

So have we been in compliance?

Have we exceeded?

Have we exceeded on some of the testing?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

And in pretty consistently, really, uh, just based on glycol.

Uh it does create an oxygen depletion.

And so, you know, we've made several improvements to the uh the outflow areas uh with riprap, and we you know, we've done several things over the years, making sure we're establishing strong vegetation for that natural flow, and then I think a lot of it is just continuing to communicate with DNR uh and building that relationship with them to let them know that we take this serious too, right?

We we want to make these improvements, and so I went up to Kirksville and and went to headquarters.

Uh time goes by fast.

Maybe it's been two years now.

Uh, and really I I sit down with them in their office because ultimately I wanted to get feedback from them on this is the this is the type of system that we're looking at.

This is the timeline, you know.

Is there anything else that we can do to make this better as well?

And it was a great conversation.

Uh, you know, any information that I would receive from them, I can pass that on to our engineering company, which is parts of McDonald, uh, and really looking ahead of what can we do to make this better?

And I it was a great visit.

Uh again, nothing more than communication, letting them know where we're at with this, and then getting any feedback from them that they have.

Yeah, thanks.

Sure.

So, next slide here.

Uh we've accomplished a lot.

Uh, and so this slide here is a list of projects that we've accomplished probably in about the last eight years or so.

These are the projects that we've accomplished.

Most of these projects were accomplished with federal funds uh at 90 percent.

There's a handful on here that are locally funded only.

Uh, of course, the rental car facility.

But uh, you know, other things.

We talk about stormwater improvements, and we know the forever uh chemical and ACLF uh foam that's used for firefighting.

One of the improvements that we made is our our foam testing system uh with the fire trucks.

That was one of the things that we were able to do.

We can test the fire trucks now with with without spraying any type of foam on the ground, and we can beat the compliance for part 139, uh, which is a certified airport requirements for the airport, so or for the FAA.

Uh I thought Zen around the left side there and about the middle, it's a supplemental terminal area master plan.

I think that's interesting to bring up because I talk about a little bit, you know, it is a snapshot, the master plan in general is a snapshot.

Things change uh as we know, things change pretty fast.

So during that period that you have a master plan established, if something comes up that you need to do a study on, then you then have that option, such as this when we were looking at the terminal of doing a supplemental uh master plan just for that specific project if we feel like there might be the need for it.

So that's what we did for the terminal.

Of course, uh, I'm happy to answer any questions on all these projects, pretty exciting projects, but uh happy to answer any questions about those.

Yeah, Mike, I think this would be a good time too, just for those who haven't been out to see and like tour with everything.

What's your staff right now?

When you have all these projects, what is your current staff?

And I don't I assume that's not probably a slide in here because it isn't a slide.

Oh, okay, never mind.

You can wait, can be like a teaser.

All right, but wait.

We'll catch it then.

Okay, okay.

Um, of course, the the past is great.

We we've done a lot of projects out there, we've done a great job.

And so uh mayor brought up staff.

I I can't give enough kudos to the staff and how we operate.

Everything that we do is safety.

Uh, there is nothing that we look at with more importance than safety.

So it's a it's a priority for uh if you're walking up the sidewalk, if you're taking a commercial aircraft or if you're flying out on a private aircraft, safety's a priority.

And so, generally speaking, uh many of these projects have a major safety factor, whether it's security only uh or just an airfield safety, take precedent in that.

But these are our current projects uh that we're working on.

Uh, some of these are definitely related to passenger comfort, passenger experience.

Uh, but we also have some major development projects in there.

The snow removal equipment design is in there.

Of course, we're looking at construction of that uh next year.

And although the snow removal equipment project doesn't sound maybe all that exciting, it houses snow removal equipment.

Uh it really is because if you notice towards the bottom there, it says airports rates and charges and a business plan.

It's really all as tied together because the snow removal equipment building is really the kick start to the development of the south end of the airport.

And so we know there's a tremendous amount of interest.

I've been contacted and met with many people that are arrested, building hangers at the airport that want to relocate their aircraft to Columbia.

Uh, we have a fantastic facility.

We also offer a lot of services that smaller airports don't offer.

And so there's a there's a uh a big interest.

The snow removal equipment building, although again is only for snow removal, uh, it really is it's gonna build the infrastructure to be able to kickstart that.

So we're gonna be able to build a taxi lane that goes out to the south end, which is really a driveway from the building out to the runway, right?

So it gives direct access to the movement areas, which is where aircraft take off and land, but it also provides a road to that facility.

So we're gonna build a road on the south end of the airfield that's gonna take you to that, and then in addition to that, of course, utilities will be placed in.

This is a federally funded project, and I tie that to our rates and charges because we're doing a full overview of all of our rates and charges of the airport.

And the last uh the last update was in 2008, uh, or the last numbered update.

Uh, and the last adopted update was in 2012 uh for our rates and charges.

And so with that said, with future development uh and future activity at the airport, the rates and charges are super important for uh future revenue sources for the airport.

We're looking at uh everything from fuel flowage fees uh to which is impacting general aviation and commercial aviation, any type of transient aircraft that come through the area that may be uh transitioning across the country, stop by and grab fuel.

We're looking at office rent.

Uh, we're looking at uh you name it, we're looking at it, we're looking at all lease space, uh ground leases, and so forth.

So ultimately, this business plan that we hired uh Wolpert uh to assist us on, is we're evaluating what are other airports charging that have similar services.

And so we just sent out a survey.

Uh we're requesting information on where should we be.

And so, you know, we currently have uh about two million dollars a year that's provided to the airport uh towards the operational cost of the airport, and ultimately our goal is to be self-sustaining.

We want to adjust our rates.

Uh, we also want to provide a good value.

That's uh that's super important to make sure that we're we're providing good value that airlines want to do business here, private uh aircraft want to do business here, but we can also charge a fair value uh for what we offer as well.

Again, our airport offers a lot of services.

Uh we have 24-hour fire service, we have 24-hour law enforcement service.

Uh, we have a long runway, uh we have very good conditioned pavement.

And so we're offering a lot of services at the airport, and we just want to make sure as part of this rates and charges uh study we're able to charge appropriately.

And so uh the development that you're gonna see at the airport in the future is definitely going to help uh offset some of our costs moving forward.

Um, and then ultimately, again, the plan is uh we want we I really want the airport to be self-sustaining.

I mean, that's a it's it's like going after air service, right?

It's that that satisfaction of knowing you're making that difference.

You're you're doing what you can to make the airport better, but I also want to make sure that we're also as self-sustaining as possible.

So I know we've got a couple questions, and I just want to also tee it up with this.

So sometimes um when we talk about revenue guarantee, sometimes rather than revenue, sometimes it's also fee waivers.

So will they be reviewing that too when it comes to growth, like incentivizing growth, but then it's impact if we're not collecting on some of those?

So that's part of an incentive program that you can adopt.

Uh, we did not put that in their scope because ultimately we can determine we can create our own incentive plan.

Uh, but fee waivers are a small I like to say a small price dollar amount.

Yeah, small price to pay to incentivize an airline to start a route or to expand a current route.

Uh, but uh an incentive program to adopt an incentive program would be in our best interest because that is a uh a document that we can hand out at an air service conference, we can have conversations.

We can have conversations, say here's the incentives that we have on the books that we're ready to offer today uh that are super easy for any airline to see.

Okay.

So I've got Don and then Nick.

Don, you had a question.

So the figures that are contained in here in the cash flow.

I know that's not the correct term, but showing the projections and expenses above revenues and so on, does not take into will the council get an update in one of those once you finish the rates and charges rebutely.

So we will have an estimated impact on the adoption.

So it'll go through city council for the adoption of the new rates and charges, and then also a snapshot working with finance to see how that implementation and that timeline, what that's going to look like in the future.

Thanks.

This is really a curiosity.

I was so glad to be introduced to the concept of a sterile area at the airport and what that is.

But what is what does that look like in terms of expansion in our airport and when would that happen?

Yeah.

So I can't imagine doing it until the terminal itself is expanded.

Is that what that's about?

Or is it something?

Yeah, so we have several areas of the terminal that can be expanded.

The sterile area is designed to be expanded to the south.

So down by gate one, there will be a uh a stationary bridge, an elevated stationary bridge that goes down south of that, and then that would branch off into additional passenger boarding bridges to the south.

I I will say that this is uh I just was double checking.

This is not about what we have now, any expansion we can have.

This is expansion that comes with the extension of the of the terminal itself.

That the fifth has the boarding bridge.

That's correct.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Any questions about any of the current projects that we have now?

And I'm happy to go into the rates and charges more if you would like, or I guess just the question is what's your timeline on it?

Yeah, we should have scope services right now going out.

That's correct.

So we have uh we should be able to adopt our new rates and charges.

It'll be this fall, uh, is about a timeline.

And then of course, you know, any current leases are what they are, right?

So uh we can't adjust those, but moving forward for any type of development and business development at the airport, we'll be able to utilize those new rates and charges.

So most likely that might just be part of the fiscal year 27 budget for us.

We don't know that we'll have those numbers.

Yeah, I don't know that we'll be able to include those then, but it'll be close.

So I think we'll have a good idea of where they're going.

So thank you.

So with this, uh, I just wanted to talk about the project movement ahead.

So I just uh issue about all the projects that we currently have.

Uh this is really a snapshot on the next five years.

This only includes uh what's included in the airport capital improvement plan.

As you all know, with the the exponential growth that we've had with the airlines, there's been projects that have moved into the uh plan that weren't necessarily planned for.

We we know that we have to move quickly, so there can be adjustments to this.

But right now, this is a snapshot on what the next five years looks like.

And with that, uh it's it's just over a hundred million dollars investment uh in the airport over the next five years.

And so we have tremendous capital improvement uh projects moving forward.

Uh, of course, these are all these are all going to be federally funded.

Uh I'm gonna say generally 90% federal funding for all of these.

So this would be a local investment of about 10 million dollars for this hundred million dollars worth of work uh at the airport.

Our airport was built in the 60s.

Uh our primary runway now is 7,400 feet long, but 6,500 feet of that runway uh was built in the 60s.

Staff's done a fantastic job.

We've done a lot of uh runway repair projects, but what comes with growth is more activity and more wear.

Uh, so we know that the replacement of the primary runway uh is definitely a priority.

However, looking at the replacement of that primary runway was nearly impossible to be able to replace that with a crosswind runway that was only 5,500 feet long.

Uh there was a community in the central region uh that recently had to do a new runway.

Uh they had to suspend all commercial operations because they didn't have a place for American Airlines to land or take off.

I think there's I think their service was suspended for about eight months.

However, it definitely hurt them on that side of things with the airline.

So what we're really looking at here is we're really trying to plan over the next five years is we want to make sure that we extend the crosswind runway.

We have to be ready to do the big project.

Not that the crosswinds are small project by any means.

So you you literally see John Deere mowers running in, they make a few passes and they hurry up and drive out and they wait.

So it's it's extremely long process.

And so having this extended crosswind runway is really going to make an efficiency difference also in the next few years.

I could probably talk for all day.

This is just kind of a snapshot, a little bit hard to see on here, but just kind of the airfield.

You know, I mentioned the snow removal equipment building, which is on the bottom right here.

And that's really that development on the south end.

Uh you can tell I'm super excited about that, just because that is a piece of property at the airport that's underdeveloped, uh, that has a high potential of future expansion.

And so being able to build that facility down there is definitely going to open that up.

You see the picture of uh, I guess there's no tea hangar picture there.

Yes, there is up on the top right, uh, the picture of the hangers down there.

That's really the intent of that area is we'll develop it, we'll get it started.

Uh, we'll have a new facility to be able to house our chemicals and our equipment.

And then in addition to that, we'll have that direct access for aircraft uh in development.

The de-icing pad that uh you all considered the other night at council and approved to move forward on is that second from the right bottom.

That's the location of the de-icing pad straight east of that out there on the ramp.

And of course, the improved parking and I guess I could use this.

Um, one of the things that we're doing looking at parking is we're we're cons we're consistently looking at the master plan on what is the preferred uh alternative to parking, right?

What is the best way to do this?

What's the best way to develop?

We want that long-term improvement that's going to benefit us uh no matter what, no matter how big we get, no matter how busy we get.

And so, with that, uh, as part of this would be to relocate airport drive.

And so airport drive would actually uh come along the back side of the parking.

Uh, and so it would be rerouted.

And so the other night at council, one of the considerations is you know, a bit alternate to determine how much does it cost to pave just this small section, and then what is our timeline to be able to reroute airport drive?

We want to make sure that we're providing the best value uh in any of the improvements that we're making.

So can you remind us, Mike, in that in that kind of snapshot up there?

Is that all city-owned or that?

Or you know, that part of kind of south of airport drive.

What is when when does our boundaries end?

Yeah, so the airport property line is about this right here.

Uh that is about the back side of the airport.

So we don't own much property on the west side of the airport.

So behind that parking that you currently see, that's generally uh private parking edge.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then how far south do we own them?

South, we go all the way down to uh the gravel road uh down to the south end of the airfield, and then north all the way to Route H, east out to uh rangeline road.

Okay, and then west is the most restricted.

Where we have all of our uh everything really, that's the most restricted uh growth area.

So that tracks, thanks.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Okay, so you thought I was long-winded about development projects, but now we're talking about air service, so I could probably even go into more details about this.

Uh we've got a lot, we've accomplished a lot, uh, which has been a great story for Columbia and Mid-Missouri.

Uh, not just you know, direct access, but also connectivity uh across the world.

And so everybody is now realizing you really can get there from here.

And uh the benefits of flying Columbia, the benefits of having that that uh that convenient airport at your back door is definitely the words getting at.

And uh we're growing quickly.

So with that, our our strategic goal really is we want to increase frequency, we want to increase capacity, and we we want to make sure that we're providing the routes that people are looking for.

So, of course, we do passenger development uh analysis.

We're looking at where people are flying.

We get a lot of information from the airlines, they know where people are flying, but at the end of the day, we also listen to people as well.

We get a lot of feedback, uh, get a lot of emails about where people want to go.

And I hear probably just as much about frequency than I do anything else now.

Uh that really is the feedback that we get.

You know, we heard at the community summit that was probably the best community summit ever because you're like, well, I mean, you you kind of have everything that we're looking for, but maybe uh, and it was a uh, you know, Bismarck or something, uh, maybe there.

But you know, it was it was great to hear that because ultimately uh we're accomplishing what we want to accomplish, right?

We want to make sure that we're getting people from Columbia, Mid-Missouri to where they want to go, whether that's a vacation destination or a business destination.

It's a major impact to the economy in everywhere in mid-Missouri.

So with that, uh just a little bit about seats uh daily in August uh of 2025.

We had about 380 seats flying out of the airport.

I probably should have run the numbers from like 2008, 2012 to make this more impressive.

But uh we had uh 380 seats daily, August, uh 680 in December, and then of course, looking at this summer, uh, we're getting near that thousand seat a day.

Um, I think it's definitely also impressive within one year.

Impressive.

Yeah, so um a lot of growth.

But I uh I use this slide and I try to get this slide updated every chance I get.

This really takes us through the end of 2025.

And this compares us to other airports in the Midwest and the central region.

So we've got Dubuque, Grand Island, uh, Nebraska, Joplin, Manhattan, Sioux City.

I always like to say uh Manhattan is our closest airport uh when it comes to growth.

Uh Manhattan's a light community.

Uh and so with that, uh you can see that Manhattan is just below us.

This goes to the end of 2025.

We had about 120,000 employments, uh people leaving Columbia, and manhattan was uh just a little bit over 80,000.

Of course, as you can imagine, uh our line here uh is is probably gonna be about right up in here uh this year.

And so I'll definitely continue using this graph as I show others how the airport is doing.

Uh you know, I can't say enough about what this means for the the rebound of traffic here, also, right?

So obviously in 2019, uh we had about 130,000 people fly out.

That was our highest year ever.

And that was definitely a big topic when it came to building a new terminal, of course.

2020 happens, we don't have to go into the details.

Um, but I think what this shows is the the uh resilience of this region, right?

I think this shows a nice steady growth uh since then.

Of course, we've been fortunate enough that the airlines have seen the benefits of flying out of Columbia, they know what demand there really is.

Of course, the construction on I-70, all of these different things that are having an impact on the growth and the ability for us to retain the passengers that are flying out of Columbia.

But what I think is even more important is is that the fact that when we reach that 200,000 in planement is to continue that gradual increase.

We you know, we're not looking for a spike at that at that rate.

We're really looking at that continual gradual increase, like what we saw from 2020 moving forward, and that sustainable growth uh is really what we're looking for because again, we want to make sure that we're filling the seats and we want to make sure that we have that uh sustainability for the airlines to continue success here at the airport.

I hate to leave that slide, but so this is uh a graph here.

This goes all the way back to Q1 of 2012.

Uh this includes, of course, uh Delta, Frontier, American Allegiant United.

Uh, it kind of gives you a graph here of what what was in 2019, I think maybe is the most important thing during that quarter.

Uh is it quarter to 2019?

We had 53,000 seats, and then uh fast forwarding here, we're at about 81,000 seats uh this summer.

And I think also, you know, I mean the potential of growth with our uh allegiant partner is uh likely.

Uh we know that seats are selling fast, and so those passenger numbers with that size of a jet leaving Columbia uh could grow really really quickly uh with 180 passenger jet flying out.

So those seats can change uh dramatically as we move forward.

So you asked about staffing and I think city managers so one of the things that we want to talk about is what does this airport actually become?

No, and when it started off, it was a division in public works, I believe.

And then moved on to be part of economic development, then we could do it to the city manager's office.

Where I think we're heading toward is it really needs to be a song's dental department, and so what does that look like?

And so some of the things we're talking about doing is adding a airport director, a deputy director, a maintenance supervisor.

Part of what's happened is we've shifted the way we do public safety.

At one point, it was all public safety, so up with public safety officers, which were all reported to the airport uh manager because of poll certification.

What we know is our police department has to be pulled certified, so that's been separated out.

The fire service is becoming more and more where it's more in sync that it needs to really be part of the fire department, and so that's also something that was going to occur.

One of the things I know in the plan is to actually build a fire facility.

Do you know when that's 32?

32.

And because of the growth of the airport, that may be a project that kind of speeds up because as we're seeing more and more planes, the need for fire service is going to be more greater.

And so one of the thoughts is we want to really talk about creating this as a you know report department.

Uh so we would add three positions actually at the is it on for first week this next council meeting?

Yes, the shuttle circle drivers on April 20th.

Right.

Uh, with the expanded uh airport parking, the need for solo drivers it's becoming apparent.

And so, how do we give people from that south a lot?

I think that's planned for June.

Yes, so we'll have uh the goal is to have all three of these uh positions filled.

Uh we'll start the shuttle program probably the third week of May uh to go ahead and get the practice runs in.

And uh of course, we know that that that traffic definitely is going to increase at the beginning of June.

So we'll be picking up passengers from the south parking lot, which is where we're adding those 600 spaces.

That's a very large parking lot.

We're also gonna we're also going to capture the passengers at the north end, uh, which is where we're adding all that capacity at the north end as well.

So, well, with the six new positions, we'll do some reassignments.

So we're reassigned the airport safety officer to an airport operations specialist, reassign the airport safety supervisor to airport operations supervisor, and then reassign the assistant to the airport manager to an assistant to the airport director.

Uh we would eliminate the airport manager position, eliminate because we're currently we're as when it was part of economic development, we were funding half of the salary for the economic development director out of the airport, that would no longer occur, and then we would eliminate the airport safety one airport safety officer position.

Were there another changes uh mic for yeah?

That'll be all like the budgetary impact estimated with this.

Kathy has yeah, so after the microphone Vera, would you mind thank you?

So budget um gave some preliminary numbers.

If we did these changes mid-year, meaning mid FY26, we already know the estimate for the three shuttle drivers is about 74,500 and some change.

Um, if we did the rest of these mid-year budget estimates that to be an additional 50,000 in this fiscal year.

Um so for a full fiscal year, this is benefits in everything.

They have 406,000 as an estimate.

Now that's we don't know what we're gonna hire people and at what rate we have pay ranges.

Um, so that would this is an estimate from budget.

So um this year, any of the changes would just be like the way like one twenty-five or something for the mid year, because that's a 74 and then the 50 and then fiscal year 27.

Yes, you have estimated it would be 400 six thousand dollars in addition to what the current budget is.

That's correct.

Why don't why doesn't mid-year equal up to half of that?

Because we don't expect to hire until it's only for a few months in this fiscal.

Thank you.

We think we can hire the Hope Land Airport shuttle drivers um sooner because we've already had that coming to council for introduction after next week.

Okay, um, but the higher paid positions we would think would only be for a couple of months, and would that be then part of kind of like what came to us for the budget of well I think this would be a mid-year, so it'd be automatically included in fiscal year 27 if it passes.

That's correct.

Okay, and does the budget have that with the funding for the airport?

It does like Mike said the goal is ultimately to for the airport to be a little bit more self-sustaining, but at the present moment we do have the capacity.

So the revenues that you talked about, the fee structure that you're studying right now, those would be additional potential revenues that would help offset what is coming into this.

Yes, okay, yeah, done.

Done, and then Betsy and then here.

Well, we could take back the microphone if you want right so or the shuttle drivers.

Um, will those be CDO positions, or will the bus be small enough that it won't be won't need to be a CDL required?

They're 15 passenger Kathy, jump in if I speak in here, they're 15 passenger or less, so they're not CDL, but they require a class E and they do require DOT physical process and drug testing, but not a CDL.

Fancy.

Um could you go back and explain to me why you want this to be a separate department?

Just because I must have missed that somewhere.

I mean, like what makes that a necessary thing now as opposed to leaving it in the city manager's office?

Just because of the growth of the airport, because of the need for how we manage, it's at this point now where it's kind of a it's kind of grown itself out of being just a division.

It is really needs to be its own standalone department just because of just as a capacity of everything that's being done complexity.

Very good.

Two questions.

Um budget, so I might have to pass it back to you.

Um where will that half FTE of the economic development director be moved to if it's taken away from here?

Yeah, so it's back to the back to the zone department.

So part of it's due ready membership, the other part is to general fund.

And do we have the do we have room in the budget in the general fund for that?

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

Um, and then the other question just what is the the logic or the the thought behind the assistant to airport manager is just a reassignment, but manager to director is a full elimination of a position and creating a new position.

Yes.

And I've got a question behind that.

Can I just want to clarify the the reassignments there?

Those are title changes.

That is all those are there's no change to pay, and the assistant to the airport manager changing it to assistant to the airport director would only happen if we added an airport director position.

So I can answer that part of it.

Um if we add both the airport director and a deputy airport director, part of offsetting that cost is eliminating the airport manager position.

So you would be adding two different classifications that don't exist today and eliminating an airport manager.

I think the question is more um why is the airport manager being added as a new position rather than just reassigning, or why is airport director being added as a new position rather than just reassigning from manager to director?

Because there will be some type of selection process for the airport director.

Additional questions on this one.

Yeah, Valerie, can you grab the mic, please?

Never mind.

I answered my own question looking at the slide.

I think one thing that would be useful going forward from here is that sort of like benchmarking on other cities that have this, you know, right?

You know what I mean?

Like, yeah, you're right.

We started off as a division in public works at that time.

What was the what was the employment?

You know, what was the growth of that?

And then seeing how other so you mentioned Manhattan.

Is there's a department at their city municipal?

You know, like just kind of understanding that.

Uh, because I think one of the things that you talk about is these are then direct reports to you know, how is the how is that gonna work within your flow?

Correct.

How is that any different than right now?

My park's talking to you, you know.

I mean, I I I think it'd be good to kind of see those best practices that other cities are experiencing their growth at their airport as well.

And I think that's something to actually have we can have to look at.

Yes, yeah.

So we can provide that.

Yeah, and then for us, you know, we're obviously different than Lambert is a different kind of beast just with their similar with Kansas City.

So, like I don't think comparing, yeah, that it's different.

Um, and and then at what point do we start to have the conversation about a regional transportation, regional air authority?

And that's a great, and I think that's a great segue.

I think it it happens with growth.

So part of what Mike looks at is the number of how do we impact the region?

And so as we grow and we have a larger impact, you'll see the opportunity to bring in more, and so that's where you kind of go from being a because we call ourselves a regional uh airport.

We're more of a we're more of a Minnesota airport, but we do affect the region, but at some point there may be a need to actually turn us into more of a regional authority, right?

And so, what is that?

What is that benchmarking?

Like at what point do we need to start having those conversations and what does that look like?

Yeah, and I'm not sure that those partners have that capacity.

So it's that that's where it becomes when does it become really just Columbia for that thing.

Yeah, and well, I'm I'm just gonna say a word of support for this.

One of the things in looking through the plan and then just looking at what's happening, our most recent meeting.

One of the concerns I have is that we're gonna grow at such a rate that we're not gonna be able to keep up with it.

And this this kind of thing would make it more make it more efficient, the management of the airport itself, and Mike, this causes me to reflect on what you've said about the airport being self-sufficient.

Uh that really should be a stated and and uh quantified goal uh because as it as it grows, the city is not going to be able, I think, to keep up easily with the increased expenses that are going to come with that, and so uh all of that together fits together well, and I appreciate the presentation of it.

Okay, yeah.

I've got Jackie and then Baller to that point, and I don't have the level to answer this.

Um you have at this point with the information given, when you think we would reach that self-sustainability mark.

I mean, looking at the the future revenues and expenses page in uh on 813 in this book, like in fiscal year 43, it's still we're nowhere near self-sustainable.

With our current rate structure, correct.

Yeah, so I mean, I'm just gonna give you an example of our ground lease rate.

Uh, we currently charge eight cents a foot.

Uh I believe that it won't be exactly, but I believe Jefferson City is at about 24 cents, 25 cents a foot.

Uh, so we're at about a third of the land lease rate uh at the general aviation in Jeff City, and so that's just one example.

Uh, you know, of course, office rent, landing fees worth 62 cents uh per thousand pounds.

I think maybe the lowest landing fee I've seen in a long time is about a dollar, it's about twice as much, right?

That's probably on the low end.

Uh so there's a lot of room uh for additional revenue for our airport.

Um, but of course it's all about communication, right?

It's all about making sure that we're we're uh communicating that and the justification for it.

We know that we have the services, we know that our airport offers a lot more than what we charge for.

Uh so I would anticipate that would be an easy transition to move into with higher revenues.

So changing those rates and fees, but doing so in a way that doesn't scare off our providers.

Oh, absolutely, yeah.

And I think uh you know, as I've always said, when you talk to somebody who's wanting to develop on property, uh being the cheapest is not always gonna bring you that business, right?

It's ultimately uh charging for the value that you offer, and we we offer a lot of value in Columbia, uh, and we just need to make sure that we're charging a fair market rate uh for our property.

So thank you.

Yeah, Valerie.

Yeah, do you have any kind of figure on um the other airports our size experiencing our growth, whether they are self-sustaining, um, and at yeah, I I guess at what size self-sustaining is typical for airport?

I I would add to that is any airport self-sustaining.

So I mean, that's my first thought.

It's like, is that even possible?

Sorry too, but yeah, if there's comparables, tell Valerie places.

Well, I think that uh, so I can't, I'm not gonna name, I don't think I name one or off the top of my head.

I know that we can do a better job of bringing in the revenue again.

I I can keep coming back to we could do a better job of charging uh a reasonable rate for for what we offer.

So yeah, Betsy, grab the microphone, please.

Can I just ask why we've never done that yet?

I mean, it sounds like we're way behind, like not just a little bit behind.

It's not the only thing we've been doing with collect that I'm sorry, it's not the only thing like that we've been dealing with.

That's what I'm sitting here thinking, is like all these fees, all the we business license fees and all that.

We just seem to be behind behind in a number of ways.

This is just another example, but uh it's a good question, I think.

Maybe we need to strive to change that a little bit, yeah, just a little bit.

Well, and I think to that point, right now we have multiple reviews happening.

So do you happen to have like off the top of your head all the different yes?

Right now we're doing a cost of service study for all our rates, and so that's looking at for everything that we do.

It's really understanding what the cost of doing the business is.

The the one thing is when we talk to our residents about here's a need we have.

We can't really articulate what it costs to do to put out a fire, what it costs to pave a street, what does it cost to plow a street?

And so that's part of so that's one of analysis that we're doing right now, is actually looking at the cost of service for everything that we do.

What's the timeline on that project?

Oh, that is I want to say it's it should be before you guys uh by mid-summer.

Okay.

Is this a consultant thing?

Is this something we know?

Because we know what we pay for steps.

Well, don't we?

Well, we know what we pay for it, but we also need to look at what the economy of scale is for looking at it throughout through the business of doing the work.

And so it's so we we're doing it two ways.

There's some of this is done by a consultant, and some of it's done by our public management PMO office, our project management office.

And so we're doing this real analysis of everything that we do.

We're also looking at our parts uh rates, we're looking at our business license fees, we're looking at utility rates, and so you'll see a lot of that come before you, especially during this budget process to really start talking about what we're doing and why we're doing it.

I think we have two cost of service studies coming up results in the next month, yes, both for solid, waste and sewer, and then electric, and then we're standing back.

Yeah, in the time that I've been on council, and even in my recent memory of being an engaged citizen, I've seen a number of individual cost of service studies coming through each department for their fees, and we're still finding that we're far behind often.

I'm wondering, like prior to this, like over the past decade or so, did we usually have by each department cost of service fee studies?

And were we opting to follow them, or did we choose not to?

Or do we just I won't say I mean, just from my experience over the last couple of decades, is uh is that a lot of it's been those are usually utility driven, so it's usually the utility departments, and they had like that five-year requirement for theirs.

It had not been the common practice of having it in general fund and even even the fee ones, right?

I at least I can't remember.

I don't know if anyone else can.

I don't know if anyone else remembers us ever doing one for other.

I think you're correct.

I think most likely the fees that we've been adjusting have been utility fees, and those are being done as we look at our rates for our residents.

We haven't really looked at the cost of service is actually doing the work that we do as a as a massive hour.

But we're fixing that, but we are fixing that.

Are payment and loop fees included in the fee structure study out of curiosity?

Even in lieu of the the it's for that's more geared toward our utilities when we look at uh what we would charge a organization that doesn't pay taxes, and so I don't know if that's I don't believe that's part of the study analysis.

I think that's more something that we do in house.

We have a number of them, the board development increments.

Yeah, so timeline on this potentially coming to council.

Obviously, we know that April 20th has the three excuse me, shuttle um bus drivers for the buses that we just approved with the last two council meetings ago, I think.

Um so the timeline for this coming, you mentioned mid year, Kathy.

Um, with some of that additional information that council has requested, do we expect that coming to us in in May or June?

Or most likely it'll be uh either end of May or early June.

Okay, okay.

Um that is my last slide.

That is my last slide.

Happy to happy to answer any questions.

I didn't want to put a ton of slides because that was more of a just a general conversation.

So yeah.

Well I wanted to put Don on the spot you were on the steering steering committee for this.

And I'm just wondering if there's anything outstate I'm sorry.

I'm just wondering if there's anything outstanding for you that hasn't been a part of what Mike's presented any concerns that you might have after spending that time going through this or um or concerns or otherwise.

Yeah.

No, it's just a lot of this especially we talked about as part of the process so this is you know it's good to kind of see it all consolidated to one place to you the you know the part about reconfiguring the parking area moving you know air airport drive um paid paid garage whatever you know the recommendations extending the crosswind runway you know doing that first so then we can reconstruct and eventually extend the the main runway um just kind of see it all put together in one place um I don't think there was really any concerns that I had that I didn't see addressed in this you know I did have a couple of specific questions about it um which I can get into if you want me to but other than that or suggestion but other than that no this pretty much encapsulates everything incorporates everything that I saw so but thank you for thank you for asking but uh I guess the answer is no and thank you for that uh for service on that I I will note we also have at least one member of our airport advisory board so I don't know if Gary Thompson um Gary if you want to come up you can grab any of the microphones I have I I stole Decarla and see if it is this one if you have any comments to say thank you very much.

Yes I'm Gary Thompson I've pleasure serving as a shared advisor board.

Two points I would like great discussion two points I would just like to add for your further consideration part of what's related to your question Betsy there's no excuse for not reviewing those services other than this airport's been really busy and a lot going on for the last eight years and frankly it's just not gotten the priority we have one person and this has been a concern of the advisory board for some time both from a workload and getting the things done that need to get done with everything going on going on and then the other thing that I would just point out the advisory board's had numerous discussions about is just frankly from a risk management standpoint we've got a major airport happening right here and it's all in the hands of one person currently so this proposed structure would provide some you know really needed risk management protections to the city and to the airport going forward.

So I just wanted to add this conversation thank you thank you very and I think that's where I got to earlier when you had all those list of projects and I was like what's your staffing levels so I get that you're talking about what the projected is but can you answer that what is your staff what is your FTE for the airport and what are those positions right now and and then to that one thing that I think it's important as we have these conversations this is a fantastic master plan.

It doesn't actually even touch on the economic impact of that the airport has on us in our region and City of Columbia so I think that's one thing that would be a good appendix to add for that like what is the return on investment for these that we see um and so maybe part of the conversation as well but can you speak to your current staffing levels?

Yeah uh so current staffing levels 20 FTEs uh in addition to myself the that includes operation staff so operation staff is the airport safety officers the their duties are uh generally field inspections they take care of all the pavement marking the sledding all those uh um critical in inspections that are required by the FAA uh they also take care of EMS and they also take care of aircraft rescue firefighting so each one of those components is required by the FAA for a certified airport there's nine of those positions and then they have a supervisor so that's the operation side of things we have half your staff right there right so then we have three custodial positions uh that report directly to me uh their primary duties are the the main terminal right the new terminal uh and so we don't have 24 hour coverage uh we have really good coverage with those three maintenance tech ones and then we have four maintenance tech two positions the maintenance tech two positions are in charge of all of the snow removal uh lighting repairs painting uh uh signage uh replacement anything airfield and facility higher end type repairs are all taking care of those four people uh they report to myself and then we have a maintenance crew leader position uh that position really kind of aligns just the work uh priority work for the day uh for those maintenance tech two positions and then we have a full time assistant to the airport manager that we just filled uh at that position is an ad-bend uh position for me uh to assist with council type things all the bills all the FAA grant requirements uh that's that's

That position really kind of aligns just the work uh priority work for the day for those maintenance tech two positions.

And then we have a full-time assistant to the airport manager that we just filled at that position as an had been uh position for me to assist with council type things, all the bills, all the FAA grant requirements.

Uh that's that's a heavy load for that person.

Yeah.

So I didn't hear any like additional people to help you with like the growth plans and and do okay, got just one thing.

Yeah, Dy, you had your hand up.

Yeah, you know, I don't know if I need a figure on this, but one of the things that I've been curious as we're discussing um separating this as an individual department is um if there's any expected expected impact to the bandwidth that the city manager's office has as a result of moving this to its own department.

How much we'll we'll still have our general oversight.

I just think for the airport itself, and the additional staff will help with the just the growth that's needed and the management of all that growth.

My cat's a huge lift, and no, it's it's no not bragging on my cable too much, but no, he doesn't take vacation, he doesn't take any time off.

He needs to, you know, I know this is coming from me.

But you know, the the additional resources will just make the airport run better.

So no, we're always there to support.

I just when you just look at the complexity of everything's going on, it makes sense for it to become a self-standable.

Any other questions for DeCarlin or Mike on this one?

No, appreciate the update and the you know, light reading.

Sure.

Given to us, appreciate that.

No, thank you for this, Mike.

Really really impressed with the growth and the success of this.

And so you can't get enough appreciation for that.

We hear it time and time again from our community partners and advisory board uh who also are our big fans.

Yeah, Nick.

I would just say, Mike, I hope you'll take a vacation.

Um there are multiple opportunities to uh fly in out of and uh if you'll just look into that.

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.

Well, thank you, Mike.

Appreciate the airport.

So we've just got one other thing to kind of do.

So this would be the time to get out your uh calendars and look at some of these things we or not really calendars, but some of the things we have upcoming.

Um so first off, um, we have um our normal appointments to the planning and zoning commission.

Um, and Sheila, I might ask you, I might need you to come up here.

Um, because some of these, so we have two pre-councils coming up in the next month or month and a half um that are required to be those pre-councils because it is our consultant coming in for the electric um cost of service study or the IERMP, as well as the one for our solid waste and sewer um cost of service, which might affect our um ability to interview our um planning and zoning applicants, and at this time we have seven applicants.

Usually we give seven to ten minutes per person.

I don't think we normally, I think sometimes we've done seven seven at seven at time.

It really depends on how long people speak.

Right.

So the the deadline officially is May 8th.

And so are you asking for whether or not you're you're on?

You're just not loud.

Um, are you asking, or would you have the potential of doing the interviews at that second meeting in May, or is it not enough time, or we try to see if we could start the pre-council earlier?

So right now, May 4th and May 18th both have an hour and a half scheduled.

Or the consultant.

So I guess my point is, and if I don't know that you guys are gonna continue advertising for PNC like you have in the past, if you do that, we could get more applicants.

So I just don't know where you're going to be and when you're wanting to do these interviews.

But April 20th is booked with special meeting and then the regular council meeting.

May 4th, an hour and a half is consultant, May 18th, an hour and a half is consultant.

The terms of the current members are up May 31st, and there is not a provision in the code for this one to allow them to continue until their seat is filled.

So there is on some, but not on this one for whatever reason, I'm not sure.

So, and I don't know if the people who are up, even only one though as far as we apply.

So I don't even know the other one would want to fill in even if they had that option.

And so part of the option, part of the option that we have is that we have two 30-minute blocks on both of those meetings that we could interview some who have already applied, right?

Who have already submitted at that May 4th meeting?

We do it on the off Monday.

So the off Monday is our closed meeting on personnel.

And I don't know if we expect to take the full two hours.

We could potentially do, we could even do like a whole group of these because that so the off Monday is May 11th.

It would have only just closed on the Friday before.

So we couldn't do all of them on that time.

We could do what we've received so far.

Um a mixture of those.

The question is like, are you guys okay if we split them up over multiple pre-councils so that we have an opportunity to interview all?

And then we kind of like front load right the applicants we've received, but knowing that we could still potentially be interviewing on the May 18th.

And then I'll just ask for the city manager's office.

This is an annual thing, so making sure that we don't allow an outside like my priority for us is that we are interviewing our P and Z applicants at that meeting, knowing that this is an important board.

Similarly to what when we do Waterland Advisory Board and CPRB to make sure that we have time on the pre-councils to do those interviews.

So 30 minutes, especially if you want to break in between the meetings is not a lot of time.

Would you guys consider starting at 4 30 in order to do the interviews or get with the consultant and be done with the consultant by a certain time?

Now I need to work with manager's office on that for both of those meetings to split it up.

Would you consider starting at 4 30?

Could you come?

You're you kind of like the harder you would I can make that work.

Yeah, okay.

Um, I would want to make sure I I prefer the second idea where we front load the consultant because we know our applicants for P and Z will also most likely be working until 5.

Okay.

Yeah, Valerie.

So are we looking at starting at 4 30 for one meeting or for several meetings to space them out in that case?

Are you guys gonna ask me to continue advertising another month?

Yes.

Okay, if that's the plan, then I cannot answer that question because I don't know how many applicants we're talking.

Is that initially if we start at 4 30 for both May 4th and May 18th for you for your schedule?

That's fine.

I just need to know in advance so I can get child care.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that if we are going to advertise it, we should probably assume that we will need to start at 4 30 at both meetings.

Okay, and then the other option is for May 11th to use part of that also for interviews.

It's just that we might get more, and you wouldn't have time to get it scheduled by Friday to Monday.

Yeah, so I will play with everything once I know more and have applications come in if they're qualified, and then we'll just figure it out from there.

Okay, okay.

So for sure the May 4th, I guess we'll then see on the the May 18th one, based on if we get more.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, next on do you have direction on that one?

Yeah, okay.

Next one is that um for Citizens Place Review Board.

Um, we have one resignation.

Um that we probably won't advertise until that happens officially or till the end of the term.

Um, so this means that we might be doing a June 15th, um, a June 15th interview for both that position as well as our two openings on the water and light advisory board.

So just giving the heads up on that one.

And is that work okay with the capital improvement projects timing, DeCarlin?

I think that's your other pre-council.

And there's not a time tied to it for me to even play with.

Yeah.

Okay.

So we'll be doing those sort of advertisements at that time.

Um interviews on the 15th, tentative.

Correct.

Correct.

And then um, your next one on your list.

Sheila made me a list of things that I have to do.

I'm not this smart to actually know this.

Um, next one is scheduling the group city council photo.

What did you have?

I don't have anything in mind, but it's something where all of you will be here and where you're willing to have your photo taken.

Yeah, be a little bit more dressed up if you care.

And Jackie, you're missing the April 20th.

Is that we didn't have time then?

Well, I'm just I'm just scheduling, so it might be then the first meeting in May.

So May 4th.

Is that what we're thinking?

Uh May 4th is May 4th and May 18th are booked.

Oh, that's true.

And I wouldn't want to because then I'll have to look camera ready my whole work day.

Maybe let's do a we can do a doodle on this, and maybe we can do it on an off, right?

You know, like maybe even potentially before the um off Monday.

What is that one?

My schedule.

Do you think May 11th, Evan?

It's opposed to you.

We could potentially do it on May 11th, which is our works off Monday work session.

Everyone's gonna be in town.

Okay.

I'll make sure we can get a photographer.

Okay.

Um it's in staff, but still you can make sure.

Right.

Okay.

And then next on my list is um, all right.

So because um Monday is a special um pre-council now, we have to reschedule our revenue forecast discussion and utility revenues discussion.

De Carlin, this might be a you question is like when do you need that by?

And are we looking that this would be an off Monday, like a special work session?

It's it's part of the budget discussion.

And sooner sooner the better.

And so it probably would make it better.

We suited it be an off Monday meeting, but we just need to get it in so we can actually start the budget discussion.

Do you want people to look at their calendars at this moment?

Are you doodle pull this?

We can send up, we could sign up because right now May 11th is booked.

Correct.

June 8th is booked.

Like you're you're talking about end of July before we can do this, and we can't do that.

So, do we need to reschedule May 11th to something else or do a not off Monday, but just a random day?

So May 11th for reminder of council, that's usually kind of like shortly after you know an election, kind of do our personnel check-in and we kind of touch base on our three employees that we have talking about the scheduling for that.

Um, so we could potentially cover some of those things at a different time, or I can try to update or we can try to update staff and do the May 11th rather than our personnel check-in, do it as the revenue forecasting and utility revenues discussion.

Does that work for council?

Would that change because did we schedule planning that we would interview PNZ on the 11th?

And would that change our ability to do that?

It I don't think it would.

I don't think it would.

Because we could potentially just do our interviews at the 4th and the 18th.

Yeah, it's really hard to say until we get all the apps.

Yeah.

So doing the May 11th off as a utility, sorry, I could lose anywhere.

Revenue forecast discussion and utility revenues discussion.

And that's also just an hour and a half.

So if we needed to add, and since it's not a seven o'clock push to get to another council meeting, we could add some PMZ if we needed to.

I think it might be two hours.

The time inside the thing, the spreadsheet sort of one and a half, but we can figure that out later.

As long as that date works.

Yeah, Valerie, you had a question.

I really like that personnel check-in sooner rather than later, especially when new council members join.

Um I I don't I don't know.

I also really hate calling additional meetings because that's hard on everybody's schedules.

Yeah.

Um yeah.

When when would we reschedule the May 11th one too?

Unless you guys are uh open to a random day.

It um it's probably won't happen until July.

Yeah.

What about like May 12th?

That's the Tuesday after the next.

I mean, it would mean we'd have two meetings in a row on on an off week, but it keeps us from having from splitting it up to a fourth week or trying to do it around Memorial Day or whatever.

Might it be worth just doing it either in the evening on the 12th, or I don't know what everybody's schedules like.

Just get no availability on Tuesday, May 12th.

You could just do it, but sorry.

Didn't we're scheduled?

Didn't we cancel meetings in July?

The first of renovation, the first meeting in July.

That's the why it would be end of July before we got to it.

I mean, we could actually that meeting doesn't have to be in this space because once you go in the motion to go to a closed meeting, we can go for hour for if you're willing to wait until June or July or July, sorry.

We've met over here before.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's it's still your regardless of what you do, you're pushing it till July, unless you pick another day.

And I will say that week of May 11, 12, blah, blah, blah is the retreat week yet.

So you already know if you're that many.

Maybe that's the reason that Tuesday's pre as it is.

Well, the other thing is do we need to have this many meetings?

I mean, do we really need to have a personnel check-in with all of us?

Do we just need to vote Christina and can we make these hours?

I mean, I know we already try and do that.

This is happening or this is an hour, but maybe we need to somehow or another get more efficient rather than just having more meetings.

You need to then tell staff to stop doing new development things that they need to update us on.

Well, that would be true too.

Yeah, but and I don't see that happening.

I don't either, but I'm just bringing it up as another potential.

Right.

Part of the conversation of why we do these is so that then on first and third Mondays, we're not here till midnight because a lot of these are big generating conversations, right?

Um, of like so my assumption is to Carlin is that you need to have this utility forecasting conversation before we do our budget work sessions because otherwise we are starting budget work sessions the third, the second third week in July.

Correct.

Okay.

So these are you need touch points with council before that.

Yes.

So yeah, then I I think prioritizing that for the May 11th, and then for us to look at that first week of July or whatever for our personnel kind of check in the mail when it happens.

I'll get I'll send an email out for your availabilities the first two weeks of July.

Okay, okay.

Um the next one is well, I wonder if we can do that on May 11th, also if people are available.

Yes, please.

Okay.

Um it's another closed meeting item that we had to push before.

Yeah, so we'll move that closed meeting that we didn't get to at the last meeting until the May 11th for part.

Um, and then the next next one is so we just received our um police and fire pension um actuarial evaluation report, and normally we have that scheduled with us in June, but there's apparently not time on our existing pre-councils.

Is that correct?

Matthew was trying to get that actual value.

Um, so okay, here's one thing I won't put out to council.

So we have on our calendar upcoming pre-councils, you know, we have electric integrator resource plan is May 4th.

Um, May 11th is now this revenues forecast and utilities discussion.

May 18th is the sewer and solid waste cost of service study.

This says June 1st is short-term rentals.

I don't see that I'm sorry, I'm speaking for myself.

I kind of think that the conversation around our pension extra is probably a priority over the short-term rental update because I feel like we're still having that conversation about updates to that.

So is that one a timely requirement needs to come to us June first, or can we push that one back?

Yeah, so I think doing the pension, because it's usually in June.

And then I think you also want to save your time at that meeting as well.

Isn't that an opportunity?

And this would be an HR question.

Isn't that the opportunity that our labor our collective bargaining units also have that option to choose that meeting to also present to us at free council?

So by June 1st, they have to tell us by June 1st, they have to tell us that they're dissatisfied with the um progression of the negotiations and then we scheduled them out for the council.

Okay.

So sometimes they just reserve their right, but we don't know till June 1st.

Okay.

Um, so yeah, that might be that might as we closer adjust how that June meeting goes.

Um, so doing that um pension actual evaluation at the first meeting in June.

And then you said we're doing the renewables ordinance update at the Monday in June.

And then June 15th is our capital improvement projects as well as interviews for waterlight advisory board and CPRB one vacancy.

Is that correct?

Correct.

Two in modern life one and CPR.

And then we have three budget work sessions in July.

And then at this time, July 20th, it says is open for pre-council.

That might be the short-term rental ordinance conversation or something else.

Yeah, here's something else will come up, I'm sure.

Something else will come up.

Uh so I'll just make the the possibly unpopular statement.

I've been really loving these off Monday second Monday sessions, and I wonder if we just need to move to meeting every Monday.

So that our schedule does not get this quickly, like one thing throws us off to the point that we are having to adjust schedules three months out.

Um just throw that out there.

Should be a generative conversation to have at the retreat in a couple of weeks.

That's what I was gonna say.

Yeah, yeah, Valerie.

Does pushing off the short-term rental discussion push off when it will be scheduled for our regular agendas?

You mean like uh any changes the ordinance coming to us?

Right.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, which I mean I'm I want to see, but at the same time, I'm also just kind of that's fine.

I just want to know because people ask, and I'd like to, you know, if it changes when we think we'll hear from it next.

Yeah, I would assume we'll definitely ask.

Yeah, no ordinance would come to council until we have that query council, right?

Yeah, um, yeah.

I just want to point out this this really is significant in terms of capacity for council and for individuals on the council.

For people who consider running for council and about how supported the council is to get the work done.

I think it also points to the city is we've been talking about the airport growing at a rapid rate.

City's been active at a rapid rate, as it appears to me.

There are a number of things that we've been taking up and and adding on now at this point.

So it's I don't have anything, I don't have a solution to that.

I'm just saying let's be aware that there is that issue.

I've raised this before, it's just about capacity for everyone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Valor.

Yeah.

Um, this is something that I'll bring up to put a pin in for the um retreat.

Um, something I brought up in a check-in with the mayor was having a um uh review time in expiration date on our city charter.

So what I have heard from other cities is that they review their charters every five to ten years.

Um, I'm wondering if we need to create a mechanism for the charter to get reviewed on a cycling capacity.

Um that way it's not an elaborate task that citizens pick up on their own.

Um to review a document that's 20 years old.

Yeah, that's a good point on that.

All right, I think that's it on the scheduling for this moment.

And then Sheila has just one other couple of other things.

I've touched base with the most of you, but um Simon sent an email, he's going to be out of town April 21st, and then because we're not having a July 6th council meeting, he thought July 7th should be canceled as well.

Unless anybody has an objection, I'm gonna move everyone down.

So Vero's scheduled for April 21st, she'll be the first meeting in May, the day after the first meeting, and continue that train forward.

Um, so I will send a new KFR you schedule out and do all the calendar stuff, probably not tomorrow or Wednesday, but by the end of the week.

So just giving everybody a heads up that whatever you were scheduled for could change.

Obviously, if whatever you're changed to doesn't work, we can try and swap you with somebody else, and we can figure that out as we go along.

All right.

Any of the anything else for the good of the cost?

No, all right.

Well, go ahead and join us at 7 32.

Appreciate it.

Thank you all.