The Dayton City Commission meeting and now come to order.

Please rise for the invocation and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

This evening invocation will be given by Commissioner Joseph.

Thank you, Mayor.

Dear Lord, thank you for your many blessings.

Please bless us with humility and with wisdom to make wise decisions for your city.

Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the United States of America.

And to the Republic for Registry One, another God, indivisible.

Okay, may I have a roll call, please?

Mayor Mims.

Aye.

Commissioners Joseph.

Aye.

Shaw.

Aye.

Bearchild?

Aye.

Turner Sloss.

Okay.

May I have a motion then to excuse Commissioner Turner Slaus from this evening's meeting?

So moved, John.

Second and motion.

Your Honor.

Okay, it's been probably moved and seconded to exclude or excuse.

Commissioner Turner Slaus from this evening meeting.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

Well, first of all, I just apologize for us being just about two minutes late.

We uh had a very exciting, very exciting presentation from Learn to Earn about some of the educational programs that the city is in partnership with them as well as some of area schools.

So uh very exciting.

I wish you guys could have heard it, but you can go online and you can get a sort of catch up on it.

Um, communication petitions.

Um there are none, Your Honor.

Okay, and no presentations this evening, calendar items, Mr.

Clinton.

Are there any additions, deletions, or comments to the calendar?

Your Honor, I would like to request the addition of legislation pertaining to the public hearing at the desire of the commission.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right, Mr.

Parlett, in additions, deletions or comments to the calendar.

I have no additions or deletions, Your Honor, but I do have uh just some brief comments.

Um the large majority of uh this calendar before you this evening is uh departments requesting to have uh agreements in place so that we can hit the ground running in 2026.

Uh a few exceptions include items 10 and 13, which represent our support of the construction of 27 affordable housing units in the Wolf Creek neighborhood.

Very exciting.

Um, also finally, for my comments at least, uh three and a half million dollars to replace passenger boarding bridge project uh sorry passenger boarding bridges.

Uh okay.

So this is phase three of that effort.

Obviously, very expensive pieces of equipment.

So that's all I have, Your Honor.

Okay, thank you.

So, Ms.

McClendon, do we have any citizens who are registered to speak on city management recommendations?

There are none on calendar items.

Okay, non-calendars.

Commissioners, questions on the city managers' recommendations.

Commissioner Fairchild.

Yeah.

I'm good.

Okay.

I just want to say that I want to echo your enthusiasm about the Wolf Creek houses.

Uh people may not understand how difficult it is to build houses these days because the the money that you put into building them isn't always uh people aren't able always able to afford that at the target audience we're looking at.

So the fact that we're able to help build these is is huge, and you know, we'll start to make a debt in this problem.

So thank you very much.

Yeah.

Yeah, I I was uh thinking and hoping that we'd have some citizens who want to talk on those issues because it's um continuously set of issues that we struggle with every every single day.

Uh and looking across the nation, uh again we talked about this last uh week as well, that across the nation the homelessness challenges continue to rise, and the cost of housing has um increased 700 percent, while the ability to pay has only increased 14 percent.

And so that's over the last uh the last 50 years.

So it is a challenge that we have that contributes a lot to the homelessness that we have in this city and other cities across this nation as well.

So uh may have a motion then to approve the city manager's recommendations.

I'll move to approve the city management's recommendations.

Second the motion and probably moved and seconded to approve the city management recommendations.

All in favor say aye.

Aye, all opposed say no.

Okay, legislation, please, Ms.

Clint.

Second reading emergency ordinance number 32172-25, amending the city's appropriations for the year 2025 and declaring an emergency.

Mayor Mims.

Aye.

Commissioners Joseph.

Aye.

Shaw.

Aye.

Aye.

First reading ordinance number 32173-25.

Repealing, amending, and enacting various sections of the revised code of general ordinances related to Chapter 151 subdivision regulations.

First reading resolution number 6909-25.

Establishing the fiscal year 2026 rates, fees and charges for the James M.

Cox Dayton International Airport and the Dayton Wright Brothers Airport.

That is all your honor.

Okay.

So we have a bunch of board appointments.

And so we'll let um Joseph kick it off.

I'm not looking at the piece of paper.

I don't think you can share.

Okay.

Yeah.

We just sort of pass this around.

All right.

Thank you.

Uh Your Honor.

I move to reappoint Portia Dennis, Margaret Murray, Jim Walker, and Gloria White to the North Central Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Okay.

I'll second that.

Okay.

It's been probably moved and seconded to support or reappoint Corthia Dennis, Margaret Murray, Jim Walker, and Gloria White to the North Central Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Okay.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

I move to reappoint Youseth Elzane, Matthew Kelly, Joe Michael, Jerry Standard, Demerath Thomas, and Courtney Whitworth to the Northeast Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

And I'll second that.

Okay.

All right.

So it's been probably moved and seconded to appoint Youssef Susane, Matthew Kelly, Joel Michael, Jerry Standard, Deborah Thomas, and Courtney Wentworth to the Northeast Party Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

We're just sharing saving paper up here this evening, everyone.

No, that was it.

Yeah, we're good.

Okay.

So we have another one.

Hold on here.

I got you over here, Mr.

Shaw.

Oh, I'm supposed to say a lot.

Okay.

I move to appoint Casey Wade to the Northeast Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31, 2027.

Second the motion, Your Honor.

Okay, it's been probably moved and seconded to appoint Casey Wade to the Northeast Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

Here we go.

Your Honor, I move to reappoint Ben Abernathy, Kelly Brown, Patrick Cauley, Leah Connecticut, Shelley Moran, and Matthew Wolf to the Southeast Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Second.

Okay.

It's been probably moved and seconded to have uh Kelly Brown, Patrick Collie, uh Leah Conick, and Shelley Moran, and Matthew Wolf to the Southeast Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

Commissioner Fairchild.

All right.

I move to appoint Columbus Cotton to the West Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Second, Your Honor.

Okay.

So it's been uh probably moved and seconded to appoint Columbus Cotton to the West Party Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

We got some more here.

All right.

Yes, sir.

I move to reappoint Eth Jackson, Kenneth Marcellus, and that a Richardson and Shirley Williams to the West Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31, 2027.

Second the motion, Your Honor.

Okay.

Okay, it's been probably moved and seconded to uh appoint or reappoint Eve Jackson, Kenneth Marcellus, Anita Richardson, and Shirley Williams to the West Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Thank you very much.

We can do all in favor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, excuse me.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Thank you.

All right.

I move to reappoint Mark Merovich, Stephen Seabolt, and James Wall to the Greater Downtown Priority Land Use Board for a term ending December 31st, 2027.

Second, okay it's been probably moved and seconded to reappoint Marg Munovich, Steven Seaball, and James Wall to the greater downtown property land use board for term in the December 31st, 2027.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

Okay.

I've got this amendment.

Okay.

Are we on eight?

Yeah.

Are we on eight?

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's see.

I think it's you.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Okay.

I moved to appoint Amanda Delathil and Christina Mendez to the Welcome Dayton Committee for a term ending December 31, 2028.

Okay.

Thank you.

It's been probably moved and seconded to appoint Amendment Delatale, uh, Christina Mendez to the Welcome Dayton Committee for a term ending December 31st, 2028.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All posts say no.

Okay.

So now we're ready for public hearing.

Mr.

Parlay.

Yes, thank you, Your Honor.

Uh I'd like to ask uh Jen Hauer, Jen Hanauer, sorry, Jen, um, from our planning neighborhoods and development department to walk you through this um requested zoning amendment.

Hi, good evening.

Evening.

How are you?

Fine, thanks.

How are you?

Good.

All right.

So we're gonna talk tonight um about a car wash that is proposed for 1158 Wilmington Avenue.

You have seen this before.

Um, just as a reminder, we were here in August and we were talking about two car washes that flying ace was bringing forward at two different locations.

There's one proposed for uh 2922 Linden Avenue, which was approved by City Commission, move forward.

That final plan uh went to plan board, got approved.

They're moving forward on that.

Um the other one for 1158 Wilmington Avenue, um City Commission remanded to City Plan Board because there was um there were concerns from the nearby residents uh about things like noise and traffic.

Is this the appropriate location for such a heavy vehicular use?

Uh flying ACE made some changes to their site plan uh to help account for that noise and redirect it towards Patterson Road as opposed to towards Wilmington and those residential uses.

Um however, the the opposition to the application remains strong, um both among residents and from the plan board, um, which again recommended denial.

Uh the applicant has appealed that decision, and we're bringing it to you this evening to make a decision on whether this goes forward.

Now they are bringing the plan development and the final plan forward tonight.

So your decision if you decide to move forward, there will not be further review of of the site plan.

What what you see tonight would be what it would be.

So that in mind.

Uh these are the basics.

Um the request is for the plan development and final plan that would allow for a car wash there at the northeast corner of Wilmington and Patterson.

There is an existing plan development in place, PD 087, uh, that was made to accommodate a former right aid uh that would be removed and replaced with this PD.

It is currently zoned ENC, which is eclectic neighborhood commercial.

That's kind of one of our um mid-range neighborhood commercials.

It's it's typically where we would expect to see pedestrian-oriented development.

So it's not something like suburban commercial where you might put you know your mire um or bigger box stores like that.

This is meant to be um compatible with neighborhoods with with residential uses.

Um it is technically in Belmont, but it it's right there at the corner of um Patterson Park and Troyer Park, and um it's not in a historic district.

So this is our zoning map.

Uh the kind of light red color is the ENC, the eclectic neighborhood commercial.

The hatched area with the white outline around it is the subject property.

Um and then uh all that that yellow around it is the ER4 eclectic um single family residential.

Um as you can see, it's just it's just right up against it, just right across uh Colwick from some residential uses.

This is an oblique uh image looking north.

So again, you can you can see how close those residents are, so we definitely want to be sensitive to that when we're looking at development of this corner.

The corner has changed over the years.

As much of the city does it adjust to what the community needs.

This is a sandborne fire insurance map from 1956.

And you can see that it, you know, while commercial has always kind of been on the corner.

Uh the rest of the block used to be residential, and that that changed.

Um, and now the the whole block is commercial.

So you are going to see these these changes over the years depending on the will and want of the community.

So this is the big change that you're going to see on this one from the last time we talked about it.

Um kind of look through, I know it's kind of a busy image, um, but the traffic flow through the building, the the ride-aid building would be adaptedly repurposed as a an automated car wash.

Now, the previous plan had the cars exiting the building on the west side towards Wilmington.

So that meant the blowers, and a lot of that noise was going to be very easily heard from the residential uses across Colwick.

So this new plan proposes to turn the traffic back south, and the cars would exit the building to the south.

And that would direct that noise from the blowers and from when the doors open, that would direct that noise down towards Patterson Road, so towards Brighton Straighter Square, um, where that waffle house is and direct the sound, you know, away from the residences.

That's not to say that this is a quiet use, it is still a car wash, um, and there are outdoor vacuums, there is music playing, which they they would keep to their property, but it's still a heavy vehicular use.

Um, but this change does address some of those sound concerns that we had uh back in August.

Uh I know we've been through all this before, but just as a reminder, um, just some of the basics.

It is a 10,000 square foot building, used to be a ride aid, it's on you know, in an acre and a half.

Now, while we don't uh permit car washes in the E and C zoning, we do permit them in other zoning districts.

Um, and this would meet the requirements.

This site would meet the requirements if it were zoned differently.

So, you know, it's on an acre of land, that's good.

That's what we'd want to see for a car wash.

Um there it's kind of the best possible setup for for if there is a car wash to go here.

Um the the hours would be pretty regular, 7 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

Monday through Saturday, um, and then uh a little shortened on Sundays and then in the winter when traffic isn't as heavy.

Uh so the uh planned development standards are what we would use to kind of make the rules for the site.

Um what I've highlighted here are the things that are sort of extra that we've put in to make sure that this would be as compatible as possible with the surrounding residential uses if you decide to move it forward.

Um so under permitted uses, we would add a car wash to that.

They're not typically permitted in ENC.

We would continue to allow all of the uses that are permitted in ENC, but with the addition of a car wash.

Um typically we would allow a little more lock coverage, a little more paved surface of an area, um, but in wanting to have some distance between this use and the residential, we would want to keep it at the at the 50% coverage, which is about what it's at now, so not allowing them to pave more surface, keeping more of that green space.

Uh we would want to see a minimum of 24 off-street parking spaces as they have depicted on the plan as part of the planned development.

We'd have those big pylon signs removed and replaced with a monument sign, which is more in line with what we'd want to see with new development today.

Um, and you see examples of that all down Wilmington Avenue, that new waffle house, the the public the storage landscaping.

Um we would be asking for a masonry wall uh on the north side of the building, and again, that would be to help with the the sound.

Now, since you saw it in August, the site plan is changed.

Um the the zoning administrator would account for that when when approving the plans and issuing the zoning permits.

Um sidewalks, we do want to see pedestrian access from the public sidewalk to the primary structure.

Again, this is a vehicular use.

We still want to see some pedestrian access in this pedestrian area.

Um another reminder, they did do uh traffic study, and the big takeaway from that is that there's a lot of traffic here.

Um Patterson Road, the city uh probably needs to consider adding a turn lane to turn north onto Revere for the eastbound traffic.

Uh our public works agrees with that.

Um, and these are uh some of the the public comments that we've received.

Um very similar to what you saw last time.

We we have had a few more residents either ride in or call in with their opposition.

Um things that they're worried about continue to be noise and traffic.

Um really just the the having such a heavy use uh at this corner.

There's concern for the uh residents of Lakewood, um the assisted living home that's just north of this property.

Um there's a lot of pedestrian traffic from residents of Lakewood coming down to Brighton Street and straight Brighton Strait or Square, uh, where those amenities like the pharmacy and the grocery are um a lot of them using assistive uh devices.

Um we do have several entities in in support of this project, uh specifically uh the Belmont Community Council and the Patterson Park Civic Association.

While individuals from Patterson Park have voiced their concerns about this, the association has uh voiced their support.

Um and there are benefits to activating a vacant building like this.

Um the improved landscaping, the maintenance of the property.

I don't know if you've had a chance to go by there recently, but it is it has become quite the tableau of um of uh uh artistic rendition graffiti.

Um so to have an active tenant in here, there would be um some benefits to that.

This is just a reminder of our public process that we've been through.

Um this uh has been reviewed by Southeast Land Use Board Um back in May, and they voted three to one to recommend approval.

Um they did receive the the new plans and were able to comment um via email.

Uh didn't get many additional comments there.

As a reminder, I did uh get feedback from other municipalities uh who have this kind of setup a car wash um immediately adjacent to residential.

We don't have any like that in our area, but there are other areas where they have used this concept, um, specifically in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit.

I went to visit the sites in Toledo and Detroit.

Um, and they they were loud.

Um, and the residents that I was able to talk to, they do not like living next to the car wash.

Um so but from the municipalities, I heard nothing but good things.

They're well-maintained properties, they're good property owners.

This is a good business.

Um so it there's kind of things on both sides of this.

So good luck to you making decisions.

Anyway, um, so it went to the plan board in June.

Uh they recommended denial.

Uh it came to you in August, remanded to plan board, and plan board heard it again in October and again recommended denial.

So we're here today.

Just uh so I was I was thinking about what you all would need to consider when making this decision tonight.

And there's there are a lot of things that you need to weigh.

Um, not least of all are residents' concerns and not wanting this uh near their homes.

Um but you also have to think about you know the vacant buildings in Dayton.

We we have plenty.

Um we'd like to see those filled.

We'd like to see those reactivated.

Uh I went around and took a look at some former pharmacies in the Dayton area that have had other uses activate them.

That one on the left uh was a former RevCo, remember remembers Revco from the 90s, um, and then it became a CVS and now it's a career prep high school that's up there on North Main Street.

Um in South Park, we have Oak Street Health, and that former it was a ride aid, then it was a Dollar General, um, and now it's a health facility.

And most recently we have out on East Third Street in Burkhart, um, the Adassa family, it's a local market chain based in Columbus, Ohio.

They've purchased that building and received their zoning permit and plan to open the Latin market there.

So there are other uses for these former pharmacy buildings that might be more compatible uh with residential uses nearby.

So I just wanted to give you some examples.

I went out in the snow and I got those pictures.

Beautiful Ohio landscape.

Um these are your options for this evening.

Since it was recommended denial, it would need all four of you to agree to move forward with the first reading.

Um then you can also determine to not proceed with the first reading, which would be a de facto denial.

Um there is the option for you to remand it again to plan board.

Staff would like to express that don't know that there are further revisions that could be made that would move the needle on community or plan board support.

But that is an option for you.

Um so yes, I'm happy to take any questions.

We do have a representative for the applicant here this evening, and I know we have some community members registered to speak.

Okay.

So before we ask uh questions, uh the individual individuals who are here to speak for or against it.

Um like to hear from them as well.

Yes, sir.

There are six citizens registered registered to speak.

I would like to state that there is a three-minute time limit as you address oh wait.

This is not for I would like to state that there is a three-minute time limit as you address the commission.

We ask that you state your name and address for the record.

At that time, I will turn on the green light.

When the green light comes on, you will have three minutes to speak.

After you have spoken two and a half minutes, a yellow light will come on.

You will have 30 seconds remaining to speak.

When the red light comes on, you will be asked to cease your comments and to take your seat.

To the audience in attendance, please be mindful this is a business meeting, and we kindly request that during this portion of the meeting you refrain from any hand clapping, finger snapping, and conversation that would prevent the city commission from hearing the speakers' comments.

I call to the podium Eileen Cummerford.

Hi everyone.

Evening.

Name and address for the record.

Eileen Cummerford, 952 Croydon Drive, Dayton, Ohio, 45420.

I'm uh opposed to the car wash along with many of my neighbors who are here today.

Uh we've come to these meetings before and expressed our opposition to this car wash in our neighborhood.

Um a lot of folks have talked about noise and traffic.

I agree with those complaints, um, but I'm more concerned with just the general uh lack of community like community that it would bring.

I think this is zoned ENC for a reason because we're in a residential area where but there's a lot of pedestrian activity and folks want to get together with each other.

Um so, like updating that zoning to allow for a car wash kind of defeats that purpose.

It keeps everybody in their cars, not conversing with each other, not having any human interaction, um, and it focuses on vehicles as opposed to humans.

I love the suggestions that Ms.

Hanauer pointed out.

Uh food, education, health, these are all things that our community would benefit from, and I know my neighbors would appreciate way more than a car wash.

Yeah, I think you all know all the other reasons that uh we we don't support this.

I understand that having a vacant building is not ideal.

We don't want that either.

We don't like the the litter or the graffiti.

But um I don't think the solution is to implement a business that you know is gonna be really successful for a long time, and we won't have an opportunity to put something that really benefits our community in there for a long time after that.

This feels like a golden opportunity to turn it into something that we really want, even though we don't have anything for that to be right now.

That's all I got.

Thank you.

I call to the podium Steve Dilhoff.

My name is Steve Dilhoff, 714 Green Mount Boulevard, Dayton 45419.

Good evening.

Good evening.

Uh Mayor Commissioners, thank you for your time.

I'm here to speak over with a proposal for the flying ace car wash to occupy the former Rite Aid building.

While I'm not their target market, as I'm not a big car wash guy, as the seemed by a car out front.

I'm deeply invested in the neighborhood where I lived, and I've been a resident here for nearly 20 years and serve as the president of the Patterson Park Civic Association.

The former Rite is currently surrounded by many vacant properties.

The old pony keg's been closed and empty for about five years.

The former hookah hookah bar and wing restaurant has been boarded up for nearly two years after a fire.

There's two vacant properties in Brighton Strator Square, and the right of building itself has been vacant for almost three years.

These empty buildings are attracting graffiti break-ins and draining city resources.

Despite repeated condition reports, conditions continue to deteriorate as mentioned by the graffiti earlier.

And according to county records, the right A property is delinquent in taxes by over 71,000 with the last payment being made July of 2023.

Now we have a business willing to invest significantly into this property, almost 4 million dollars, creating construction and landscape jobs, ongoing employment, and generating tax revenue for the city and the county.

Currently, these properties are a net negative for our community, and this project would turn that into a net positive.

While not everyone may agree with the idea, unanimous agreement is rare.

And just like with elections, we don't need 100% of support.

Conditions about the occasional spike in traffic on days like today after a snow and a warm-up are understandable, but they're temporary and similar to seasonal surges at Honeybake Tanum and Mother's Day gifts at uh restaurants.

The other 365 days, this business will provide services, jobs, and tax contributions instead of vacancies and vandalism.

If we had a business compelling for locations as some of the other ones are, uh we could afford to be selective, but right now we have rampant vacancies.

If we reject this proposal, how long will it be before these properties get filled?

And how much longer are we going to be allowed to help this resources be drained?

And at what pointing will this business be on the nuisance list and become a bigger problem than what it is already and cost more.

Thank you for considering what I believe is to be a practical step for our community.

On a side note, and we're in an ENC thing as it's been mentioned, but we have a church, a hardware store, a storage unit, multiple banks, and a couple bars in there too.

So we've already got other businesses in that area.

So while it is a residential, the residents have cars and they need to be washed also.

And I honestly am not their target market.

And if we had something else coming in that said I want to be here, then we'd have a disc I think more alternatives.

But right now we've got one thing that's coming in there.

We got right aids and CVS is emptying all over the place, and they're gonna pick a place to go.

And you know, flying east is willing to invest in our community, invest in our neighborhoods.

And from what I've heard, and I got one down by my office, the first one in Washington Township.

I go to the Bob Evans.

We have conversations in the front yard, and it's no more noisy than what the traffic going by is.

And so I would just say that you know I don't disagree, they're gonna make a little noise, but comparative of other things, I think that it's uh a risk worth taking.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for your comments.

I call to the podium Richard Stevens.

Good evening.

I'm Richard Stevens, and I'm here speaking on behalf of my sister.

I just for the record.

Oh, pardon?

Name and address for the Oh, yeah.

Richard Stevens, uh 925 Colwick Drive, Dayton, Ohio, 454 20.

And you're speaking on behalf of my sister uh who's back there.

And I currently should be at a rotary party, our holiday parties tonight, so it's a direct, but I thought this is really important.

We've done this like four times now, and and I really would hate to see this not go to where it needs to go.

So uh this residential area is just not a good location for a flying ace car wash or any car wash due to the nature of their business.

As I've stated many times during these planning and city council meetings, it's an attempt to disrupt the current community in the neighborhood there.

No one would desire a large car wash being right across the street from them.

And uh it's it's right now currently a relatively quiet, peaceful setting.

Just today I went by because I'm a customer of flying ace, and I went by another one.

It was backed up over by Dorothy Lane and Walmart, all the way out onto stopping traffic on Dorothy Lane.

Had a buddy send me a picture from one over at CJ, the same kind of a thing over in the Beaver Creek area.

And yes, that goes in cycles, but it happens, and in the winter you're gonna have a lot of cars going through, especially with their unlimited stuff.

This past Sunday's Dayton Daily News, I saw the Council of Hubert Heights recently placed a one-year moratorium on such uh automotive services businesses due to the huge influx of rapid development for which their zoning codes were not prepared.

So, whatever business eventually replaces the right aid, it should not be one that disrupts the comp of a uh resident's current quality of life.

That's very important.

And that's exactly what this would do.

It would upset that current quality of life.

Had such an establishment been there when we were looking for her home, uh, we would have looked elsewhere.

We would have not bought on that street or in that immediate community.

So, in closing, the combination of excessive noise, dangerous traffic, and the negative impact to our neighborhood property values.

We're firmly against seeing this misaligned property development move forward.

The previous right aid was much more in line with what could be considered a good fit for the residents and the city of Dayton should still continue to pursue a solution with that goal in mind.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for your comments.

I call to the podium, Raymond Labold.

Hello.

Good evening.

Brayman Lee Bold.

I live uh right across the street from the parking lot, uh, right aid.

A hundred feet to my driveway, 150 feet to my front porch, uh, and none.

Uh 200 feet to my chair where I watch television.

I've been retired nine years, and uh I never dreamed that I would have a car wash right that close to my television, so I can enjoy my retirement years.

I've lived at 913 Colwick Drive for 52 years.

And I'm totally against it.

Uh the street is very narrow on Colwick.

It's gonna traffic's gonna back up.

It's gonna back up on Revere.

This is not really a good place for a car wash.

And it really would disrupt my life.

I'm hoping to live quite a while longer.

And I think 100 to 200 feet is really too close to put a car wash, no matter what their direction they they direct the uh traffic out of.

It just it's just too close.

My eighty-three-year-old neighbor loves to look out at the intersection, and that would be all gone if they start putting up walls and trees and everything.

So uh I'm totally against it, and uh I'm hoping you take that in consideration.

I've been there 52 years.

I don't need a car wash 200 feet from my television.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

I call to the podium, Joe Bertuci.

Tony Kroger, planning division manager.

Uh it's customary and and normal for the applicant to be able to present after staff has presented and not be subject to the three-minute times if they're just a member of the public.

So my suggestion is now that I believe all the public uh has otherwise been able to speak that the applicant now do their prepared remarks not be subject to three minutes as if they're not the applicant.

So my suggestion is.

We've heard from four so far.

Oh, he was one of the six.

Okay, okay.

I think it's the team five.

So there's five now.

Yeah.

So is he fifth or sixth?

Yes, they're they're both part of the applicant team.

Okay.

Thanks.

Good.

Good evening, Mayor Mims.

Commissioner Good evening.

Um, I I heard somebody say that they've been here four times.

I've been here, been through this process eight times because we went to plan boards and all those other kinds of stuff.

So let's hope we get this resolved tonight, one way or another.

But uh when we were last here, as you know, we had a plan, and uh this commission was pretty clear.

You wanted to see it back again.

You were I took it as being intrigued in the idea of what we were proposing.

Um I had a handout.

I don't know if you guys have it with the um the graphics and such like that.

So we did fully address what uh was what was discussed.

We it did some significant engineering, yes, sir.

Um we did change the drive so that the cars do not exit to the west anymore, they come out and they didn't make that turn.

Uh we also there was a concern that cars would be on Colwick Drive waiting to turn um uh onto Wilmington.

We move that to address that.

Um in addition to those things we have, as you know, we removal the pylon signs.

We're making it more walkable by getting rid of the curb cut on Patterson.

Um we are installing trees, you know, the landscaping.

Um four million dollar investment um is a significant investment.

Uh somebody asked last time about um other figures.

Um 11 to 15 employees is what we anticipate 300 to 400,000 dollars of uh anticipated payroll.

Um as been made known.

We have an engaged operator.

Um we have as one of the uh opponents said proponent opponents said, you know, we don't want to give this use to somebody who's gonna be there a long time.

Yeah, we're gonna be there a long time, and we are known as being a good neighbor, a good corporate citizen, somebody who gives back, someone who takes care of the property.

You're gonna be no longer looking at graffiti, you're not gonna be looking at a parking lot.

You're gonna be looking as you can see by those those drawings.

You know, it's gonna be well landscaped, it's gonna be bright buildings, it's gonna look good.

Um we have the um to uh we've been here before.

You guys heard it before, but I just wanted to reiterate the traffic study said that this will have this is the traffic study submitted and accepted by the city.

Minimal impact.

Um the amount of cars that go to a right eight are approximately 500 in, 500 out a day.

That's at a right eight, and that's every day, not just on peak days.

So you know, when we talk about oh, there's gonna be a lot of traffic concerns.

That's not showing up on the on the record of you know, from those people who study traffic.

The noise level, the ambient noise on a good time um up where the residents are is about 70 decibels, which all that stuff has been submitted in the record somewhere.

Uh 90 at the peak.

Um we have shifted just about all our noise makers.

The only thing that's still out there, if you will, that's by the residents is the hand vacuums for the car.

That is approximately well 200 feet from his living room.

Um, and those have the um car vacuums are about 60 decibels after 80 feet.

So that's lower than the current ambient noise.

So, you know, oh traffic, heavy use.

It's not substantiated.

There's a lot of noise, not substantiated.

There's a lot of investment that's substantiated.

And so we are um very hopeful that we we gave you what you were looking for for this and uh that you would consider it.

Um we do have the vice president of the company, he's registered to speak as well, and I'd like to bring him up to see if he had anything additional to add.

And we of course will blindly answer any of your questions.

Thank you.

My name's Joe Bertucci, uh 13375 National Road, Southwest at an Ohio 43068.

Just for clarification, I'm VP of development, not of the company.

Don't want that getting out.

Um a lot has been spoken.

Hopefully, you've had the opportunity to look at the changes that we've made.

We took your comments from our last meeting, and I think we've uh hopefully you feel that we've gone above and beyond in making those changes.

I just want to address some of the things and I do appreciate those comments.

We it made it a better site.

Uh, and it made a better site for the residents in the surrounding area.

And through some of the comments that I've heard, um, markets change.

Uh right, the right A has been there for years, and we see now, and I say markets change, well, customer behaviors change, and that creates the market.

And customer behavior today is individuals like to be in their vehicles.

That's why you see uh fast casual restaurants, a la Chipotle with a drive-thru, where in the old days you would go and sit down in a restaurant and you still have that.

But there is a preponderance of individuals who stay in their vehicles for coffee instead of going into an old diner.

I love an old diner.

But a vast majority of people stay in their vehicles and go through a drive-thru like a Tim Hortons across the street.

Heavily heavy vehicle use.

And because people drive more and are in their vehicles more, we see traffic counts of almost 20, almost 19,000 and change, 20,000 vehicles on Wilmington Avenue, and almost 10,000 on Patterson.

And so when you look at that just from a real estate perspective, that is a heavy vehicle intersection, heavy vehicle traveled intersection.

And I love walking myself, riding a bike, that's why the sidewalks are there.

And as far as safety, we have to trust that individuals are gonna abide by the laws of the city.

Uh we put every safety factor we do on our site as far as controls as you would on a street, stop signs, um, you know, that control the vehicle traffic, but I do understand there are residential houses here, and when I saw the zoning map, it is also surrounded by commercial retail.

Um you do have banks, you do have drive-throughs, uh, coffee shops, you do have a grocery store across the street.

Uh so there are retail uses, and and the Tim Hortons I would suggest is there because of the traffic counts.

That is what's going to draw a user like ourselves because we don't generate traffic.

We're not bringing people to an area as a car wash.

We get you going to and from work.

We get you to and from school, um, your shopping when you go out and about.

So I I suggest that when you do drive, and because of our membership model, you could have people from outside the area who would normally breeze through of the 20,000 cars on Wilmington, they may stop.

And they may look at the waffle house next door or the Tim Hortons and then frequent that business in this local community.

Those things happen.

You create a synergy of businesses who are successful, and you bring they're coming through the area, and now we give them a pause, right?

It's sort of a self-filter of hey, they stop to wash their car, they get out.

You can have our our staff engage in customers in the back lots, customers talk to each other.

Um you do up obviously the locals frequent the car wash.

There is interaction in our in our backlots.

I've done it myself.

Uh grand opening, soft openings.

It's such a fun opportunity to actually engage with people.

I have no idea who they are.

I just go up and start talking to them.

The most interesting conversations, and that happens.

That's our real thing.

And we do pride ourselves on being part of the community.

We are not a business who just wants to make money, get in and get out.

We hire locally.

We promote locally.

We have more development coming into Dayton.

Um, you know, God willing, those get approved.

And that growth is upward mobility here locally in Dayton, going from a team member to an assistant site manager to a site manager running a running a car wash and then becoming an area manager and managing four or five locations.

That is real.

That happens every single month.

We're going to open up four new locations as a company here just in the next two weeks.

You know, we're not a sort of I'll call it a mom and pop car wash.

There's nothing wrong with that, but we're going to be over 130 locations here in the next two weeks.

That's a substantial business.

Like we're very proud of that.

And so that's sustaining power.

That means we can be there.

And we hope to be in a location a long time because that means we're successful.

And we're creating jobs and creating tax revenue money.

We are contributing to local nonprofits, communities.

We partner consistently at our grand opening and throughout the year, through quarterly sales of air fresheners, our blue towel program, which always goes to nonprofits.

That is money that gets directly into the community.

That is not the surrounding area.

It is literally in the city.

That those nonprofits benefit.

And specifically, we try to sponsor those that help unfortunate children, right?

Who don't have the opportunities.

We want to we want to break that cycle.

And we think that is very important.

And that is a core principle of our business.

As far as uh the vehicles, uh you could step on any site in Dayton and it will not have the stack stacking that this location will have.

This will have 47 vehicle stacking out to Colwick and 48, it's all one, but if you total one out to the east or one out to the north, it's either 47 or 48 vehicles can sit on our site, not including the vehicles in the car wash, which you can fit approximately six.

So you are over 50 vehicles.

Literally over 50 people could show up at the same time and it would not spill out onto the street.

That is unheard of as far as stacking.

The exits to the building have been moved to face south, as you've heard.

As soon as you go around the corner, we've moved it essentially almost 180 degrees.

You will not hear the tunnel exit.

The building in itself acts as a buffer.

We plan on adding additional landscaping, which we think the residents would like to make it to beautify the area even more.

We're adding substantial amount of landscaping on the south side with Patterson.

So we're not content as most users you would see if there was someone interested in this location.

And I did verify there is no one interested in this location currently behind us.

It's been almost three years.

And so if the city could select businesses, hey, I wouldn't be here in front of you, obviously.

But you have private ownership, you have delinquent taxes.

There's a reason why those taxes are delinquent.

They need someone, they need to they need a profitable business who can come in and pay those taxes for them.

And so I think we've addressed traffic-wise.

The professional engineers, and I and I believe it because we don't have a stack line, I think, this big in our company.

I I don't believe we do.

Don't quote me on that, but we're pretty darn close to being the largest stack that we have.

So to be able to accommodate any type of peak hour, this is the ideal stack you would want for a car wash.

And we are top-notch in operations.

We are hands down the best car wash operator in the markets we operate.

And so that goes to efficiency of how we run our car wash and be able to get customers in and out safely.

Um the sound, uh, the ambient sound is a real thing when trucks go by, motorcycles go by, that is a real thing.

And because we're directing our sound south on Patterson, you in this instance, uh, I understand staff did visit sites, and sure, if you go stand outside of an exit of a tunnel of a car wash, it is going to be loud.

But if you went and stood on Colwick and you and you had that same car wash with no overhead door, meaning entrance or exit to the tunnel facing Colwick, you will not hear that same sound.

So I just want to make sure we're comparing apples to apples when we're talking about sound and traffic.

And I'll reiterate, because we're uh we are a car wash, people don't get out of their vehicles.

It's perceived as having more traffic on the site, because that's all you see are cars coming and going.

Whereas a righty will have more traffic throughout the day, but people get out, go inside and come out and go back to their car.

So you don't see that that flow in the peak.

I'm talking about the peak hours is when you see it.

Any other time, you won't even know there's a car in the stack lane if you live on Colwick.

It's so efficient, plus the stack is on the south side, you don't even see it.

It's designed that way.

And we will absolutely do our best to screen, including uh I don't I'm not sure if it's a masonry wall, vinyl wall, but we've done decorative walls to help screen for privacy.

Um and then the the vacuums, just to be clear, the vacuum producer is what creates the the sound, the the majority of the sound for the vacuums, that is on the south side at the intersection of Wilmington and Patterson.

It's been moved to the furthest point away that we could.

Um I think that addresses what I want to as far as the market changes, and I just I pre I do appreciate the opportunity.

Uh and hopefully hopefully you uh find us a valuable business to be in Dayton here.

Thank you.

Welcome any questions.

Okay.

Questions.

Commissioner Fairchild.

Yeah, the question around um for the owner there on the um the outdoor vacuums.

Where are they located?

They would be along the the parking curve along one Wilmington Ave, and then just slightly, uh there's a few vacuums right around the along Patterson there, just kind of L shapes around.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, perfect.

Yes, you could see along oops along Wilmington.

Uh you've got the you know, kind of perpendicular to Patterson, and then you've got one, two, three, four, five vacuum spaces that angle along Wilmington.

The rest would be inside the building.

That entire area that you see south of the building and L shapes around is all grass.

That is all landscape area.

So we're taking the sea of asphalt and turning it into uh it truly will be like the gem on that street.

So I did drive it myself, I did notice the vacancies, I noticed the conditions of the surrounding buildings.

This will stand out, and this is a predominant inner intersection in this community.

It will be like an oasis.

It'll be the most the most beautiful property, and the key is we keep it that way.

You can go to our first car wash we ever built, and it looks the same way the day we built it.

And what's the peak number of cars that would come through per hour?

So peak is typically the our biggest peak is around sort of that four to six o'clock hour.

Everything else kind of percolates throughout the day.

Um and it does vary based upon location.

This site is going to be dependent upon the residential customers surrounding it and the traffic.

Where typically we have all three, meaning we have retail surrounding us, um, regional retail, true commercial corridor retail, uh, along with the traffic and the residential.

So even though we have a the largest stack we're probably gonna build, we are not anticipating this to be one of the heavy disuses car wash that we have.

That's bad English, but um it's hard for me to give you an exact number, and then this site does something we don't think it does.

It maybe it does half the business I think it does, and either way I'm wrong on the record.

So I can tell you that on the record, this stack can handle the peak.

So I'll give you an example.

I do have a site that I know, and I'm not an engineer, but I the engineer report was I had a site that had 24 vehicles in the stack.

We could process 144 vehicles in an hour before it would go beyond the 20 24 vehicle stack, meaning we would be on our site self-encompassing not affect the right-of-way, the road, the public road.

We could process 144 vehicles in an hour with just a 24 vehicle stack.

That is a super hour.

Like that is that is like everything stars align, right?

Salt day, retail around us, all things align.

And uh I just don't see that at this site for a peak hour.

But even if it did, this site could still handle it and would not back out on the Colwick.

The capacity of the of the car wash.

Yeah.

Is it 144 or 200?

Or it's uh so it's 140 vehicles per hour is the is the conveyor speed.

Okay.

That is adjustable.

Um I think they go down to 120, you can do 130.

Uh, thanks for reminding me.

That that analysis was done at 130 vehicles per hour, even though we run it at 140 vehicles per hour.

So it was to be conservative intentionally to have room uh for additional capacity beyond that 144 144 vehicles that we could process.

Um this is double that.

Well, the stack is, but the the question is like what's the capacity of the moving through?

But if I hear you correctly, you're saying this the cars won't hew up out onto the street.

Correct.

But I'm trying to get a sense of like how many cars are gonna come through it.

You have a business model there, I guess.

For the business, you don't I'm not gonna hold you anything, but for the business model, what's the kind of anticipated?

Yeah, I would say this one, if I was gonna estimate, would be somewhere between eighty and a hundred at the peak.

Okay.

And then you'll see like 30, 30 or 40 as it dwindles, and then you get down to 10 to 15 in some hours and some down to five.

Early, early hours, first opening, like five vehicles, and then um kind of late morning, you may get like 20 or 30.

But again, it's all self-contained.

Uh, and then this call it the peak peak in the evening, um, probably 80 to 100.

Um I got a couple of questions for staff.

Um there wasn't a report out on the rationale of the planning board and the fact that it was a unonym, you know.

This is a this is a tough situation because I think we have really responsible business owners coming and look to be partners with us in the city.

And I I really appreciate the work you've done to try to make this site work.

We also have zoning, our zoning laws, and we have a process.

And so we're coming to a place asking the commission to do something very ex exceptional, which is to overturn our planning board.

And so I'm trying to figure out the rationale that the planning board had, and if there's any criteria that guides us in terms of overturning the planning board, like what cases would um would we anticipate in the appeal in this appeal process?

Can you I'm sorry, can you say that again?

What cases would you uh anticipate?

Like so this is the appeal to a decision that was made at the planning board.

Yes.

And I'm trying to understand what is if something comes as an appeal, what's the criteria for this board to appeal something that's already been decided at the planning board?

Sure.

They have the Yeah, so so you know, this being a legislative body, you're using your judgment and discretion.

Uh, if I were giving advice on the things that you would look at, I would look at the standards that the plan board looked at for a potential rezoning and and without going through all seven of them.

Um you're gonna look at uh the potential impact on surrounding areas.

How does it comport with um you know future plans for the court or um you know uh what what's the overall impact either from a land use standpoint or impact on the neighbors?

So you're really just you know determining uh can these standards be met that a board would typically look at.

And that's really going to be about impact on the surrounding area and what's what are the benefits.

So those are really the what you'd be thinking about, I think if I if I were evaluating this and thinking, well, what what would I be looking at to overturn essentially a plan board recommendation?

Right.

And if you did want to understand maybe their their thought process a little bit, we could look at um their rationale for uh recommending approval for the other flying ace location over on Linden Avenue.

These sites are so similar, roughly the same size, um, located in the the same zoning district.

That one was also ENC.

That one was also adjacent to residential.

But there were just enough nuanced dis differences and uh uh a different kind of support from the community that plan board ultimately that tipped them towards recommending approval on that one, and and those same criteria push them towards recommending denial for this one.

So it it is a very fine line that that they're that you're being asked to walk, that they walk um in deciding what is going to work for the community and what isn't.

And it and it is very site-based.

There is a set of rules, but you have to apply those individually to each case.

Um so you have to look at at this one separately from that one and see what what will work and what won't.

So I don't know if you like that answer.

Well, it also and then there's a broader question around zoning laws in general, which is I mean, it's really giving potential business owners directions.

When these business owners, you know, looked at this, they would have known that this wasn't an approved use.

We've gone a long way down knowing that it wasn't an approved use.

And then you know, other property owners make investments and investment decisions on those zoning laws based on what's allowed and not allowed, right?

There might have been a owner who wanted to put some or a business prospective business owner and say, oh, if you're gonna allow that, I would might have considered investing there.

Um, and that's why we why we have this process to to allow for exceptions to the rules or you know okay, we don't want and and why we have those plan development standards to keep things okay.

If we allow this, that doesn't mean we're opening the door for for every every unwanted use to come into this location.

Well and that's why we why we have this process to to allow for exceptions to the rules or you know okay we don't want and and why we have those plan development standards to keep things okay if we allow this that doesn't mean we're opening the door for for every every unwanted use to come into this location there would there would still be those plan development standards that that we walk through that would that would keep that site from you know being having more lot coverage from having more parking or or any of those things that we might not want to see in that it's it's making it uh kind of setting up rules for this individual site what will what will work best and I I think what we've presented you with tonight is probably the the best option for for having a if you're going to have a car wash at the corner these are these are the rules we would like to set up to make that happen.

I don't know if that helps either but even with the the zoning laws I mean it gives that guidance and so I invest in a property adjacent to this not expecting it to be a car wash I've made a decision I made an investment but now we have the zoning laws because now we come back and we we're wouldn't that be a surprise if suddenly the the property next to your house that that was not zoned to allow for a car wash if the if the city changed that rule and is now allowing for a car wash and and you didn't have any part in that when you bought your home so I mean that that is the kind of thing that that we need to consider and at the location on Linden residents were like nope great this is a a great reuse of the property we want this here great we will set up some rules we will make this the best possible fit and and that's what's happening there in Linden.

But the site's a little different the residents are different, have different needs so we're having to to consider that with this one.

Yeah I guess this is back to the the company one of the things that I really appreciate was Mr.

Dilhoff's comments talking about the in this a site that I'm familiar with because I grew up in this neighborhood and my daughter and I were at Tim Hortons the other day and recognizing the pony kegs vacant um some of those other spots are vacant what what is the plan for some of that development and what what are our efforts and is there a way that the new owners might be a part of activating that whole that whole corner?

Is that a question for staff I guess it's for both.

I mean is there my question is what's the staff plan and then the question is you know as a new owner in that property would you be interested in trying to help um activate those other vacant properties.

I'll go first because my answer is shorter.

What's that?

My answer is shorter.

Okay.

So I think by creating the the makeover change that will occur at this property will be sort of a beacon right to businesses.

You you when you drive through a corridor and you see nice developed properties you end up wanting to be a part of that.

Some businesses aren't built to be the the spearhead of that and we are just because of the confluence of vehicles and and the and the density of people so we can be that steward to change this property and and jumpstart it and it will be a significant noticeable change.

We also do partner with local businesses around us and whether that is promoting their business on sort of grand openings.

We've had companies adjacent to us uh come to our grand openings or we support them and then you have um gift vouchers and um any type of community events that the city has we partner up there are very creative ways probably outside of my my mind my real estate mind uh if I was in marketing I could give you a thousand things that we could do.

But I do know that we partner with local business.

We want Tim Hortons to be successful and draw people into the area and then they look across the street and say my car needs cleaned yes you're going to the best car wash in the city and we happen to be here.

Please come visit us too or you come have a car wash you come out phase patterns you make a right you see Tim Mortons go, you know what, I could use another coffee.

I'm going to drive across I'm gonna go to Tim Hortons now.

That is the synergy that creates when you bring a vibrant business into the into the corridor and we would partner with them.

And I don't know what that means but definitely would through communications work together to build each other up that is in fact not a shorter answer than the one I will give we we intend to support property owners with the zoning that they have whether it be ENC or mature neighborhood commercial or whatever it is.

I don't want to get too far off here on that there happens to be some vacant buildings here.

Brighton Straighter Square is a legitimate shopping center.

Waffle house is new, Gianinos is new a storage facility is fairly new.

So it's not as if you're in a ghost town here.

But we will continue to support property owners to the best of our ability whether it's looking at zoning variances or supporting them with proper guidance with the zoning they have.

Commissioner could I follow up with a question for Tony while he's there mayor along the same line?

Yeah go ahead along that same line when we last did a a big rewrite of the zoning code we created smaller business districts and but better defined them in that spirit does this I mean do you envision this maybe setting aside the current question.

Um in that spirit, does this I mean, do you envision this, maybe setting aside the current question?

Do you envision this as a district that will grow as a business district?

Or is this something that uh maybe our planners would rather see revert back to a more walkable, more neighborhood type uh more typical ENC district?

Yeah, I mean zone DNC because uh we envision it as um or certainly when it was designated as eclectic neighborhood commercial in 2006, it was not seen as probably uh desiring uh a 100 percent automobile use.

Um but it's it's it's acknowledging that it's not necessarily the Oregon district or the Belmont business district, but it's not necessarily envisioning the auto uses as well.

And given I mean 20 years have passed, which is crazy since the last zoning rewrite, but the changes have have the changes there that you've seen have they changed that opinion.

I mean, I know it was 20 years ago it was an EBNC.

Just in your own opinion, I know I'm asking an opinion, it's difficult.

But have the changes in the increased traffic and the changes in the neighborhood, would they merit a change if we were redoing the zoning code now to something other than that?

If we just your opinion, I'm not gonna look at two edges.

Right.

If if if I were uh managing a new zoning code rewrite, um we would probably believe that eclectic neighborhood commercial was the was the right yeah, right zoning district.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner, for my question.

That's one my question.

You good?

Commissioner Shaw?

Yeah, this is a tough one.

I um I'm a customer.

Uh I go there often, and like some uh of other folks that commented, I go there regularly at and and I'm all over the city, so I go to a great many of your facilities daily, sometimes twice a day.

And I've never seen um any of them back up onto the street.

And even yesterday when I was there after you know the salt and then the sun comes out, everybody wants to go.

That was probably the most crowded I've ever seen, two of the ones that I went to both yesterday and today.

But still not backing up on the street.

Having said that, what I'm most interested, and I I will have asked Tony to come back up, please.

Um I think Commissioner Joseph was going to this, but and this is a tough one for you to answer, I I know.

But in your opinion, uh I don't even know how to phrase this properly.

You would you would consider would you or would you not consider this uh a growth opportunity for the neighborhood?

Or is this there are some neighborhoods that are are are declining?

Would you consider this one as rising for opportunity in terms of small businesses are concerned?

Eclectic businesses or otherwise.

This particular site.

Yes, this particular site uh in particular, but the with the surrounding area.

What I'm trying to get at is what I don't want to see is a right aid that deteriorates and sit there for another three or however many years with graffiti and uh everything that comes with that.

But in your opinion, are there folks that are interested?

I know that you it sounds like you don't have any contracts on this, uh obviously, but or you wouldn't have have them.

But are there the opportunities that you are looking at?

Or I guess that's up to the property owner to say.

Uh but to best address your question, I would say uh yes, I believe that Belmont, Patterson Park, Shore Park are stable quality neighborhoods that can support a variety of businesses.

And then I would also reference Jen's impressive slide that shows that in other parts of the city that may even not be as stable as the Patterson Park, Belmont.

We've seen drug stores reused as other things.

Every city has seen it.

Yeah, yeah.

Um that's for you to consider that versus the impact and all that.

Right.

Um I I I think I got everything that I need to know about the sound remediation.

I I I think that you know what what you all have done in those spaces are adequate.

I mean, you went back and you changed the things around and and uh and did that work.

Um I appreciate your your questions, both of your your questions as it relates to that.

Uh how uh uh now I'm going to density.

How far away is your your your next closest facility?

Uh the the two closest um Moraine is it uh Moraine and then is it Moraine?

That's catered.

Moraine is like south.

That would be like the closest area, yeah.

Yeah.

Um and then Riverside Airway shopping center to the east.

So those are the two closest.

Well, that's that's and that's that's significant distance.

Yeah, and that's one of the and I and I did uh hear you when you it it I'm sure it does make a difference when you have big anchor stores that are also so I go to the wine at that airway, but also the Walmart near 70, uh where the you know there's a Walmart there, so everything that comes with that, and and even with that I don't see a whole lot of traffic, but uh uh so this zone now, Tony, for uh a more eclectic use of of of the spaces around there.

I mean the idea when this was on 20 years ago, this is the idea is that you would have smaller businesses to populate that and to kind of grow and be more neighborhood based.

Is that an accurate portrayal?

Those for you, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I it's it's uh not necessarily about the size of the business or the building itself, it's more about um the land use and how it operates.

So it would typically the zoning district preclude a 100 percent automobile dependent business and probably be more oriented towards say restaurant retail or service.

Okay, uh that's all I have for now.

Thanks.

Difficult.

Yeah, I was at the uh location today, uh Dorothy Lane and uh South Dixie at the Walmart location, and uh again, uh I'm a frequent customer as well as these processes.

Um trying to to balance the situation, of course, as uh all of us uh here are and looking at continuing the growth of more and more businesses coming to the city of Dayton in all parts of the city, which is uh very critical and beneficial for us.

At the same time trying to find a way to make sure that the citizens are are not inconvenienced uh to a great extent.

That we know sometimes this is just going to happen.

So um uh uh I'm not exactly sure where we are in terms of addressing that.

But of course, I think uh questions have been asked.

I probably have a couple more.

Joseph, go ahead.

Thank you.

I appreciate it, Mayor.

First, I want to say I ran into uh Kathy Emmer's, the president of Belmont East My Hearthstone, who's here.

She got stuck on the highway and didn't make it in time to make a comment.

She asked me to say that she's in favor of the developments of uh and I know that Belmont East Mount Hearthstone Community Council voted overwhelmingly in favor of it uh to endorse it.

So it's one of those rare cases where we say we like to listen to the neighbors and the residents, and whichever way we go here, we're gonna be making some residents mad.

So uh it's it's uh not a normal situation for us because usually we go with whatever the residents would like us to do.

Um I just want to say that uh as I as I approach this, uh I I live right there.

Uh like I said the last year, and so I'm Belmont resident, I live there, I drive this intersection every day, sometimes five times.

Um I agree with Commissioner that uh the noise concerns and traffic concerns I'm less worried about because it is a noisy intersection, and with the reconfiguration that you've built, uh it pushes the noise in a direction right out toward the intersection.

So I think it's probably as good as it can be with the wall you've built, uh with the traffic patterns that you've built.

Uh traffic study came back and said that uh might be need to be a left-turn lane from Patterson on to Revere.

I can tell you emphatically there needs to be a left-turn lane on on to reverse even now.

Uh that's there people weave around there in funny ways, and it's a very wide road.

So uh if nothing else, we have that uh you know in a study, it needs to happen.

Um but you've made you made the adjustments that are necessary.

Um this would be uh getting rid of an eyesore.

I've been getting uh emails and phone calls about the graffiti on right aid, and I see it every day because I go by every day and it annoys me every day.

Uh in the summertime there was brush growing up, uh bushes were overgrown.

Uh it is an eyesore.

There's trash piled up, there was a mattress back there the other day.

There's other crap on the like Colwick side of the lot where the dumpsters used to be.

Um and after years of seeing it, um, and frankly, my experience over these years with other lots like this, where we had a chance to develop it but didn't, they ended up being ISORs and ended up costing us more in the long run.

Not only in demolition costs eventually, but in picking up trash in time and uh it just it wasn't great.

So what I'm trying to balance here is what are the odds of a different use, more in line with ENC, more in line with what the neighborhood would like to see coming along in the I will say medium term.

It doesn't have to be next month or the six months, but within a year or two or three, it's gonna start piling up, and it's uh it's not good for the neighborhood to have an abandoned property like that.

It is not.

Uh it doesn't help anybody.

It doesn't help the the young businesses that are there, the new businesses that Tony mentioned that have come in and opened in the hopes that the the neighborhood that Franklin's been doing very well, been improving both residentially, housing prices are up, and commercially.

New businesses have been there that save a lot is doing really well.

We have our own grocery store.

How many places in the city can say that, right?

Uh so uh I I've been trying to to figure out what are the odds of that.

And appreciate you asking that question, Commissioner of our staff.

And I know the truth is nobody really knows because it's not ours to control.

It's not uh we we were depending on investors and investment, and uh that's just the system we're in.

So I talked to some neighbors today, I talked to some residents about this.

Uh I think that the the pattern that I've seen is that the residents that are within a block or a block and a half are passionately against it, and everybody else is passionately for it because they have dirty cars and they won't have to deal with uh whatever fallout there is or change or uh even the opportunity cost, the the cost of doing this and not being able to do something else more beneficial, like we've been talking about these other things.

And they're the ones who are gonna have to deal with it.

So uh I I think about other examples of things that seemed like compromise and seemed suboptimal at the time, uh, or had significant neighborhood blowback like the waffle houses right there, and uh some neighborhoods didn't want that there.

Uh Liberty High School, the current example being constructed now, or uh neighbors of that didn't really like it, but I think we all see the benefit of having something like that, and it's good for the city.

Uh the old Shamanade site, those of you who have been around a little while remember that uh particular drama.

Uh we had a chance to build a school in the Shamanade site and not take it.

You remember that, Mayor?

And that was just a massive mistake.

I mean, we're looking back, it was it was a massive mistake.

Uh and even things like the rebuild of Wayne and Wilmington when it came together, there was I mean, you know, the community was up in arms, and now traffic flows through there so nicely.

I mean, it's it's it turned out it was a good decision.

So uh th these things are uh well the the factors I'm taking into account and trying to figure out what to do now.

I mean these these guys are looking at me because it's my neighborhood.

Uh so I think the question really is uh do we, you know, do we trust in this economy, right?

Do we trust in this recovery in this neighborhood?

It's another thing.

That not only are we looking for something that with uh an excellent partner would sort of keep the status quo of the neighborhood, uh automobile base, it doesn't make it any better, but certainly doesn't make it any worse.

In fact, it takes care of the building, good landscape, it makes it a little better.

So that's the question.

Mayor, I'm curious to hear what you have to say about that.

If you have any opinions on that, you have years of experience, some wisdom.

Well, it was president of the school board at the time that we uh went the debate about Chaminat and Julianne on that location.

And uh that went on and on and on.

And uh I think recommendations from the state said no.

And um it pushed us into making that decision.

And when I look at what has happened to that neighborhood since that time in 2009 to where we are now.

It was on us too.

We we made the decision.

We said no too.

And so we look at an area that uh we're trying to rebuild now uh and um in that community over it uh on the row and rockwood, but that the whole challenge at the time, you deal with the information that you have at the time.

And sometimes you're rolling the dice and and hoping that things turn out the right way.

So it's it's uh uh I won't say it's a crapshoot, but sometimes it is.

And we continue to look at the big picture.

Uh as I mentioned a few uh few moments ago, uh everyone wants the city to grow.

Everyone is happy when the medium income continues to to increase, as it has over the last ten years by 20,000.

Those things happen because we have raised uh or rolled the dice, if you will, in many cases.

We were in a conversation earlier today talking about how challenging it was to make the decision to um invest in the warm safe environment of the arcade and looking at how uh strong of a positive impact the entire city has had because of that decision.

Uh and again, it wasn't popular at that time, even among some of the commissioners.

But we made that decision and it's been a major benefit as far as the whole city um of Dayton and the uh future development.

So maybe well, we'll think uh and uh I asked commissioners what's your um uh position?

Should we move forward?

Um you wish um it's a tough balance.

And this is this is politics where you know two really important values come into tension with one another because you know, the the neighbors most closest to this are the most vocal opposing it.

Yep.

The other thing is I'm looking at this concept plan, and this isn't the car wash that I grew up with.

Right.

You know, I grew up on Bel Air, and we had a car wash for a while right there at the corner of Smithville and Water Vallee.

Oh, yeah.

And it was that open bay one, you drive in and you spray it down yourself, and then the vacuums are right there and you vacuum it.

Um for me it comes out to a question of faith about whether your engineering is as good as you say it is.

Because the concerns I've heard, I mean, there's one concern is we just don't want a car wash, and that we can't address.

But if the concern is traffic and sound and those issues and balance, one of my priorities as a commissioner is moving unprotective properties into being productive properties.

I think this is an opportunity to move an unproductive property into a productive one.

Can I can I ask him a question before you Yeah, yeah.

What is the uh medium salary for your employees there?

Both management employees and uh production employees.

Uh yes.

Uh I can I can help you with that one second.

Sorry.

I'm on a business too.

I gotta ask that question.

So we have uh base salaries that are incentivized through obviously we have a membership model, and you're aware when you step on site as a retail customer, staff are to engage you there and sign up for the membership, which is about 80% of our business.

Uh 80% of our members out of site.

So I would say uh we call them team members, uh staff who help facilitate the site and run it, or right around call it 35 as a base and then incentivize.

Yes, both both site incentive, market incentive, and corporate incentive.

So, right, your site does well, you get rewarded individually.

Okay.

Individually you get rewarded, your site gets rewarded, your market gets rewarded with five different states, and then as a company, uh we're doing well, you also get uh sort of that share.

Um we have assistant managers called 45 to 50, and then site 55, 65.

There's a range just based on tenure uh as you're aware.

And so those are bases, and then they can go up significantly.

Uh there is huge motivation to um get members the site, and so they are rewarded handsomely.

Okay.

Thank you.

And I I want to point out one thing, and I don't think I see it on there, but if you look at that producer on the intersection of Wilmington Pike and Patterson Road, if you have the plan in front of you, it's so the producer, like I said, is the the piece of machinery that actually creates the noise.

Um we moved it furthest away, but what I am noticing is that it's not enclosed, and I we would be happy to enclose that producer.

Um we've done that in rare instances, and I would be happy to do that where we can't put it inside the building where we've gotten away with that before, especially with right aids.

We can enclose that in the same masonry that we would typically build our car wash because we're not building this bit this building.

So it's essentially it's like a split face block, very similar to a right aid.

Um and we can help with the color scheme to match uh the building, but we can enclose that in a masonry in the new and commit to doing that.

Yes, sir.

And it significantly reduces the sound.

Beyond even though there isn't a sound issue based upon the engineers, I'm hearing some doubt that we're doubting the engineers.

And 200 feet is a long way to go for sound that is especially sound that's not directly focused at that point, right?

This is sort of a radius sound, so it dissipates even more.

We would enclose it in a block structure uh and that would from 200 feet almost eliminate any sound from that producer.

Okay.

What's the timeline?

If you got approval tonight, what's the timeline that this would be operational?

Well, I still have to go through civil, uh, even though the site's kind of done, there's still some final site called compliance to make sure.

Uh that's probably a city stops here, they could probably tell you on a three, four month process.

Uh we got sanitary water.

That's probably I call like a four or five month process, and then we're a five-month to six month build time.

So next year, beginning of twenty-seven?

Probably maybe open this time of year, right?

It would be close if we beat 2026 or 2027, we would the benefit of these are that you can work in the winter months because if you get the site done, you can work inside in the building.

So that helps expedite.

And we're not building a building, so this time it gets a little bit shortened.

So we conceivably could open next year.

So spring of twenty-seven, we might have a peak time between the two.

I'd say two four of twenty-six, who would be our goal internally.

To be open if we were approved to the open.

I'm thinking about when there's going to be nice weather.

Oh, because I want to be able to sit out on the back porch of Bobby and I'll meet and share a B.

That would be spring of 27.

And be able to hear the hear them and test the engineering and uh be willing to be held accountable if the engineering isn't what you say it is.

Yes, sir.

I don't know if you'll come and join me for that, but I'd happy to sit on a couch and have a refreshing coverage, yes.

Okay.

So the will of the commission is what?

Gentlemen?

I think I'd like to move forward.

Oh.

Yeah.

Can you interpret smiles?

I I would like to move forward.

So if I get a second, I get a second on that, and we know where we are.

This is uh this is one of the m most tough decisions I've had this 22 years.

A very tough one.

This is almost like the the uh arcade, frankly.

We did just have that conversation earlier.

Much smaller scale, but yeah.

You know, I think uh I'm gonna I'm gonna have to stay, I'd rather not move forward on this one, Commissioner.

You know, I I uh with with quite a bit of regret, actually, because the partner is great.

The need is there, that it would be great to have that sort of uh partner in rebuilding, continuing the rebuild of Belmont in the neighborhood, but I think we need to bet on the neighborhood, bet that uh use it fits in what the neighbors, immediate neighbors need and want, and really reflects uh the long-term plan for that for that area for that uh not only Belmont, but Patterson Park and Shroury Park and that whole stretch of Wilmington and Patterson.

So that's fair.

Uh yeah, I didn't walk in here thinking I was gonna say that.

What's uh but uh yeah, what are the um your thoughts?

I'm not sure you mentioned about the brick enclosement, if you will.

Uh is there anything else that you can think of since we've had these conversations that would help the uh the comfort level of the citizens who live in that space.

I mean I empathize with this the citizens.

The the walkability was always an issue, so maybe the benches or something.

Yeah.

Yeah, we've talked about so on the north side of the property, we can obviously a wall, a decorative fence, that helps with sound visually, it would be it would be a nice look, right?

So it's not going to be obtrusive to them.

Um sidewalks along Wilmington.

We talked about adding bike racks and even a I won't say a bus stop because we don't control bus stops, but a station at which you could sit and rest, uh sort of a covered uh I don't I'll call it a bus stop, it's not a bus stop, I can't think of a name.

But um so essentially a seating area like a gazebo type for pedestrians.

Um sure planned with the city so it doesn't look like a gazebo in someone's backyard, that would look out of place.

But the spirit of that, yes.

Um because we do understand we're in a a neighborhood, and we do operate in other neighborhoods like this where there the walkability is the focus, and it's a tough it is a tough job for cities right now.

The the focus is walkability, yet all customers say I want to get in my car and drive.

Yeah, yep.

Um and so we see that all over, and so we have balanced uh even on our site, bike racks, benches, uh, and we could do multiple benches along Wilmington and Patterson, and then even one that's covered uh for rainy days.

Uh yes.

When we say we partner with the city to make it work and we become part of the community, that that is a real thing, and we've done it in practice.

It's not lip service.

You can go to the sites that we put benches on that no one would ever walk.

Um highways, four-lane highways, and we put bike racks and benches uh because they want that connectivity in the future.

And so we are a part of that.

Uh we've extended sidewalks beyond our property line, getting easements with adjacent property owners and getting rights to do contemporary construction easements to install sidewalks that connect beyond our property line.

Because that property owner was never wasn't gonna change hands, and so we connected that for the township.

We literally just got that approved, another site in Pittsburgh.

Um so those are actual things that we do and say we're gonna do, and you can see that they're done.

Don't know that that would change Commissioner Joseph's opinion, but yes, we are a company that it can be creative in a way that makes sure that it's just not just for our benefit as a business.

It is we want them to be happy.

We we want to come over, maybe interact with staff and our staff interact with them.

That is a real, real thing.

We interact with the kids, the dogs, all that.

That is a real that is that's what drives our our business to be part of the community.

It's literally part of our mission statement is to help change communities and change the people in the communities.

That that is our part of our mission statement.

Yeah.

So I know this is unusual.

Can I issue one more question?

Breaking records here.

I know.

Um is another option that we would have in terms of sending this back for additional thoughts or consideration.

I would really there is not.

Uh your option, if you want to send it back, you're looking at a remand which starts the whole process again back from the at letter A re notifying for plan board.

Now you know, we know that this will take four votes to overturn plan board.

Um this is just this is a first reading.

Um, you know, the actual vote on the ordinance, I suppose, takes place two weeks from now.

Right?

Correct.

New Year's Day at 8 o'clock or whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

Or Eve, yeah.

Um so that's the best I can do to help you is to say you're you're you're not voting on the actual ordinance today, you're voting to move forward.

Now, in a normal situation, if there's five commissioners up there, I'd say, well, don't move forward if you're not gonna get four votes.

But uh, it's up to this board and its bylaws, but I'm just letting you know that it's the this is the first reading.

But it will take four votes ultimately to approve the ordinance as it's written because it contradicts the plan board recommendation.

Mayor, if I may, please.

Factual comments.

Um I'm not trying to influence the business plan.

Uh but I will tell you that Keisha Kenny back there would love to see another car wash uh for a water use uh in Dayton.

Uh and we as an organization are customers, our fleet vehicles, police, fire the departments in the street.

We use flying eighths, so it would be nice for them to have another location to go to.

That's all.

Okay.

Okay, so we can have the the final vote on the what is that 31st.

31st.

Okay.

So we'll move forward.

Is that right?

Well, is that right?

We don't have any move.

Uh it's been a good thing.

It takes four votes to move forward.

It if I understand the process.

Yeah, we will vote.

Okay.

Mayor Min.

First of all, I'm moved the question.

I need a second.

So either got we have a second or we don't have a second.

Can we get clarification from Tony?

Well, we're taking a what are the thoughts of the clerks?

Okay.

So I don't think it takes four votes to move forward today necessarily.

You need four votes to approve the ordinance.

So I'm I'm sorry.

The thirty-first.

It was your real vote for the ordinance.

I'm not a I I don't staff the commission.

My I'm suggesting that it's possible to move forward with fewer than four votes to get to the vote.

To get to the official vote.

And I'm hearing people confirm that.

So I'm trying to give you some options here.

So I think one could be to choose to move forward as the four of you and then need four votes.

It's the number four, you know, uh on the 31st.

31st.

Correct.

Okay.

So then I'll call the question again.

I move to move forward.

Wait for a second.

Okay.

All right.

Oh, close the part of the yeah.

Yes.

Oh, it's done vote.

No.

So we've close the public hearing.

And then you've all been waiting for that.

So I move forward to uh I'm like to move forward to move forward.

Yeah.

Okay.

Roll call, Ms.

McClendon.

Mayor Mims.

Yes.

Commissioners.

Shaw Joseph?

No.

Shaw?

Yes.

Fairchild?

Yes.

First reading ordinance number 32174-25, amending the official zoning map to establish Plan Development 192 and final plan for 1.559 acres at the northeast corner of Wilmington Avenue and Patterson Road in a repeal planned development PD-087.

Okay.

All right.

General comments from citizens, Ms.

McClendon.

Have any citizens who are registered to speak?

There are four citizens registered to speak, Your Honor.

I would like to remind everyone of the three-minute time limit.

I call to the podium, Kevin Keller.

Good evening, Commissioners, Mayor, even manager and audience.

Kevin Keller, thir 3922 East Third Street, Dayton, Ohio, 45403.

I'll start by saying this is probably the only and the second time I've ever become a voice for my family, my area, the city where I live, other than Sugar Creek Township, and that turned out to be a wow.

I uh believe in this city's opportunity to really be a place to live, uh, enjoy, raise a family, start a business, and the business that I thought we were gonna get.

Um I'm saddened that we could not bring it continue.

Um that is gonna help the condition of the streets too, because some of the businesses are gonna be responsible through their tax base or just like they were saying that they would help our condition of our streets and sidewalks.

Um speaking of streets, side streets are a real challenge to get through when it snows and they don't plow, especially when it's a narrow street on the east side.

And I'm not saying we're the only ones with narrow streets, but I know that uh some of the problems we have with our streets is there's serious potholes, there's lack of uh lighting on the uh the alleys, which are where a lot of the traffic goes.

So I'm hoping we can continue to research the best solution for that kind of thing.

East Third Street speed radar uh, you know, they just let you know your speed.

I wonder if there is going to be a advancement of that to some kind of uh some kind of accountability through a ticket or a warning that would be nice to have because people are still flying down that street and up the street and competing.

Uh I I think we ought to propose before um Mayor Mim's term is out that we do something that they used to do years ago, and I think you would have a great opportunity with the commissioners along in tow, maybe the city manager to do what we called mayor's walk.

And that was a really great way for the mayor to come out and see how to see the citizens, not necessarily the ones that attend the meetings, but you know, she per her or his face would be out there as well as the commissioners to to meet the neighbors and they will see what we're talking about when we make we uh highlight an issue.

Um I think we need to show a better face when uh certain issues in Dayton are discussed on on the uh the press, newspapers, radio, TV.

We got a real black eye in my opinion.

I'm I'm don't have any two children in schools in as far as Dayton City.

We really need to put a better face on when we have a we have a problem with some of the Dayton schools or some of the other issues that we have within the city when we are interviewed through the TV because a lot of people take the the business or the broadcast as Bible instead of getting men certain sources and finding their own understanding.

So I I really hope we can do a better job to showcase Dayton to the world.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Appreciate it.

I call to the podium Valerie Duncan.

Hello, my name's Valerie Duncan, 523, Hayden Avenue, Dayton, Ohio, 45431.

Good evening.

I'm here.

Good evening.

Uh I'm here to talk about the uh homeless shelter at um 120 West uh Apple Street in Dayton, Ohio, 45402.

Uh there was an inspection back in um July.

July of this year, July 18th of this year by the fire marshal.

Uh the Dayton Fire Department went out there.

I don't have the whole report.

There's 25 pages.

There's 25 pages of violations that they found um on July 18th, 2025.

And one of the particular violations was the occupancy permit, and that's affecting the overall um ability for the homeless uh people to stay at that shelter, the the women and the uh women with children.

Uh right now it only permits 84 um women, women and children occupants.

And um, before it allowed 125 to 130, and um altogether it was 231, 231 that was going to be allowed at at this facility of of uh of of women and or women and children.

And then there was an alternative group of people that could come in, women that could come in.

And then there was a crisis, crisis level, like for real cold weather or real hot weather, and that was 34.

So that brings the number all the way up to 231.

But with this inspection, they found violations, and one of the violations was that there's no occupancy permit.

There was an architect group back in February of 2023 that made uh recommendations to the city of Dayton building the building permit uh people, and um, and there was uh application back in July of 2021.

Um since that time, there was a temporary 90-day occupancy permit issued February 27, 2025.

Now then there was an inspection.

It it expired May 27, 2024.

It expired.

So there's no occupancy permit at all.

Whether it's temporary is the only one it was.

And now so all these violations, 25 pages of violations.

And I I asked the city to address this so that we can have more occupancy at that location.

Can you finish up?

Okay, thank you.

Okay, thanks.

I call to the podium, Paul Kerrigan.

Thank you.

Paul Carey is at 1525 Pershing Boulevard, and you know why I'm here.

So I'll make this brief.

Let me just follow my guideline here.

Happy holidays to all of you.

And early happy new year to you all.

I'm sorry, or Mayor Lex not here to hear that from me.

But so I'll start with Pershing Hill.

That's what I'm gonna start calling it forever.

Pershing Hill.

That's the section I live on.

It's dangerous, it's a hard place to raise a family.

It's impossible.

Thank God there's an odd car wash going in near there.

My God, I'd be outraging all kinds of problems for those guys.

But anyway, I wanted to see if there are any data points as all of that black box that was placed up on my street a few weeks ago that was taken down.

Is there any data that can be shared with me?

Is there any possibility of this moving forward?

Something being done by that dangerous hill that we all live on.

Ed is again trying to keep people off parking on the bottom of the hill.

Where the mayor you've been, and I gotta say this, the mayor does do walks.

He's in he was in my neighborhood in October, so I know that for a fact.

So he is out there doing that.

Again, I want to see if there's any progress on that, if any decisions have been made, anything's gonna be done because we're not gonna go away.

Um I have placed a message on the side of my house, the north side of my house.

It is big, it is bold.

And I think you need to see it.

I'm already working with the street artists who would be happy to paint that ride aid for you with all kinds of creative designs.

You see their art all over town, you know what I'm talking about.

You come see the side of my house.

There's a message there.

And we're already talking about what we're gonna do the next time in the spring and early summer.

It's not gonna go away.

This problem is not gonna go away.

I'm not gonna go away.

Last thing.

I well, second last thing.

Every time I come out of my house and catering, first thing I hear it is 100, 150 yards away, is a music brand from that car wash company.

So tell me those neighbors aren't gonna hear it.

It's hogwash, hogwash.

Last thing a public plea, do something meaningful.

Do something meaningful for someone you know or may not know.

Time is now.

Act now.

Happy holidays.

Thank you.

Have a great day.

I call to the podium, Kathleen Galt.

Kathleen Galt.

Good evening.

Good evening to all.

Um, Kathleen Galt, 5066 Safeway Drive, Dayton, Ohio.

Um, I want to make sure that I say that these are my opinions and not the opinions of the CC clergy community coalition board.

Last Wednesday I thanked the voters of Dayton for voting for issue nine by a large margin.

Your votes for a publicly owned hospital came through loud and clear, confirming what the clergy community coalition has been saying for years at City Commission meetings.

Last week I also thanked many of the individuals who were so important along our health care justice path.

However, I forgot to mention 93-year-old Ethel Smith.

Ethel's daughter Angie Watson as well, former president of the CCC Reverend Worthans' mother, Wanda Merritt, who was in her mid to late 80s.

These three women stood on the corner of Philadelphia and Salem protesting the closing and destruction of Good Samaritan Hospital and downtown in front of Premier with us for years.

Ethel Smith, who everybody should try to meet and talk with, was the first black nursing student and first black nurse at Good Sam.

Her stories about that period of time are treasures.

I want to thank Omega Church for allowing the CCC and Abel Law to host the Federal investigations, investigators who came to Dayton to hear the live testimonies of 130 people out of the 600 testimonies collected by CCC members from residents of Northwest State and who felt the closing and destruction negatively affected their lives.

Thanks to Omega Church and all churches and other businesses, including Jem City Market and Gettysburg Grocery for allowing us to collect signatures inside their stores so we could avoid freezing cold temperatures last winter.

Thank you to for former member of the CCC Joe Love, who was the youngest member of CCC.

Your beautiful and creative contribution in the form of a professional website was so appreciated.

I missed your insights when you left.

Thank you to Eric Moyers, who was instrumental in helping us put together the initiative.

Thanks to Bill Davis for being so committed to health care for all.

Thank you to the attorney Mark Brown from Columbus, who took on our case pro bono and helped us through a really difficult spot.

Thanks again.

I want to just say we asked Mayor Whaley and Commissioners, we asked Mayor Mims and Commissioners.

We asked City Manager, we asked Representative Joyce Beatty and Senator Sherrod Brown to come stand with us while we tried to stop the closing and destruction of good seven.

None of you stood with us.

We asked for town halls.

There were no town halls.

I ask all of you to own your past stances on publicly built on a publicly built hospital, which has now been passed by the voters.

If you've changed your minds, please let the let the public know.

I asked Commissioner Fairchild to clarify his conflict of interest stance with the Ohio Ethics Commission.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

That is all, Your Honor.

Okay.

Mr.

Parlet, any closing comments?

Two comments, Your Honor.

First, uh to address the concerns about the data study on Pershing Boulevard.

Um the process that we utilize when we get complaints of that nature is for DPD and traffic engineering to work very closely together, as the gentleman mentioned, to do some data capture, right?

I thought I believe that's been completed.

And they will then enter a data kind of study and analysis.

What what did we actually find?

And generally speaking, um, we utilize a percentile of traffic and what those speeds are.

Uh, then we take that information and determine our you know what what is the remediation option for considering uh traffic volume and what we had found in the data.

So I say all of that to say I don't know exactly where we're at, but I do know what happens is that they tend to formulate a recommendation by way of communication to us, and then we share that that information with you guys.

Um and then if there's action to be taken, clearly we we take that action.

Um second comment.

Um as we experience when we have uh federal holidays, uh we've got a big one next week.

Uh so waste collection will be disrupted.

Uh I believe it is I I know.

It's we will not be collecting on Thursday, but Thursday routes will be collected on Friday.

Therefore, there will not be any bulk waste pickup next Friday.

Um there will be a communication coming out.

We'll push it out on social media.

Um, being a Thursday route guy, I'm I'm well versed, so I know what to expect.

But but nevertheless, we will push another communication out to residents.

So that's all I have.

Okay.

Ms.

McClendon.

Close and comments.

Yes, Your Honor.

Due to the Christmas Eve holiday next week, the December 24th meeting is canceled, and the December 31st meeting will take place in the morning at 8:30 a.m.

Uh and the Commission office wishes everyone a happy holiday season.

Okay.

That is all.

All right, thank you.

Commissioners, closing comments.

Uh Commissioner Fritchau.

Yeah.

Um Mr.

Parlay, can we also get some follow-up on the concerns raised about the shelter?

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um I want to thank my colleagues and the citizens who came out and and participated in tonight's meeting.

I think it was a good example of how deliberative democracy can occur.

And I appreciate the engagement and the conversation and the deliberation.

So I want to thank everyone who participated.

As well as that, you know, there's much more participation in conversations beyond tonight.

And so want to really say how much I appreciate that and value that.

I want to say there's great opportunities in this holiday season downtown.

Uh Dayton History presents a Caroline Christmas now until Christmas Eve.

It takes place at the Caroline Historic Park from 5 to 9 p.m.

And it showcases thousands of Christmas lights, classical holiday treats, visits with Santa, live musical performance, and historical craft demonstrations.

And uh I got to attend the Nutcracker last Saturday night.

We braved the snow and the cold and we made it there and it did not disappoint.

And so if you have an opportunity to get to the nutcracker, um it is a real treat and uh and like I said last time, the refresh is really remarkable.

So I encourage you to go out and uh get downtown and enjoy our great city, and then finally I will add my well wishes for the holiday season for those who are celebrating Hanukkah and Christmas and Kwanzaa.

Common in all of those holidays is uh um recognition of light and the importance of light in our lives and how it can bring hope, particularly in dark places.

And so as we approach the shortest day of the year, um many people may struggle with some darkness.

I encourage you to look for those glimpses of light uh in your life and around you, and for those who are in a place to share light to do so.

Happy holidays, everyone.

Thank you so much.

Um I appreciate that.

Uh, just quickly, uh this Saturday, December 20th, from 1 to 4 p.m., the Dayton Beer Company is hosting a sip and shop event.

There will be vendors selling clothing, art, jewelry, and much more.

Uh, this is a great chance to do some last-minute holiday shopping while you enjoy a drink.

This will be at the Dayton Beer Company's location at 41 Madison Street.

And I would also like to say happy holidays to everyone, and uh and uh hope you uh can enjoy your families and uh and please reach out to those that are are uh uh uh alone uh because it's it's uh there's a lot of that.

So enjoy the holiday.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Joseph.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh want to echo my colleagues in saying happy holidays to have a good break.

Make sure you check on your neighbors.

Now is a good time to knock on the doors, like Commissioner said.

Um I also want to have an announcement here.

Uh you can help shape Dayton's electric vehicle future.

Uh we at the city are partnering with an organization called SOPEC to expand public EV charging through a program called RIDES, which is going to bring more electric vehicle charging options into our neighborhoods.

Uh several new locations are being proposed, and one key portion of this process is getting community feedback.

So I want to encourage you to go take a quick survey.

Uh and I'm going to read this out.

It's a website, WW dot S O P E C O Hot Gov forward slash rides, R-I-D-E-S.

You'll be able to take a survey there and share your thoughts.

I'm going to read that again.

It's W dot S O P E C O H dot gov forward slash rides, R-I-D-E-S.

We're doing everything we can to make sure folks have access to these.

Uh I think the transition is inevitable now, though it might take a little bit longer with the recent uh developments, but uh a cleaner way, uh way that we can uh driver vehicles using power that we make on our roofs.

It's uh it's a good thing.

So I looking forward to hearing your opinions through the survey.

Uh again, happy holidays.

Okay, thank you very much.

And um Commissioner, thank you for your your comments uh concerning um Kwanzaa, uh Hanukkah, and also Merry Christmas.

Uh uh very special time that this year, every year rolls around.

We're all excited.

I hope uh Santa Claus doesn't act like he's double parked when he comes to your home and uh leaves uh a myriad of gifts for you and and family and friends.

And uh don't forget to think about those individuals who may not have someone in their lives to create some happiness.

I do have some some notes I just want to uh share.

The Dayton Fire Department and this uh community uh um paramedicine team will be working and hosting three vital clinics each month at the community centers across the city.

The first clinic will be held on Monday, uh on Mondays, I should say, um, from 10 o'clock until 11 o'clock a.m.

at the Greater Dayton Rut Center uh on Third Street, and then uh December 1st to January 5th, as well as February the 2nd.

Then on Wednesdays from 10 o'clock to 11 o'clock at Lorray Center, December 17th, January 21st, and February the 18th.

And then on Thursdays from 11 a.m.

to noon at the Northwest Rec Center, uh, December 11th, January the 8th, and Febember, September, excuse me, February, the uh 12th.

Addition, uh, something ongoing is the senior safe program, where you can still call and register.

And those of a Dayton residents, um, that number is 937-333-5555, and the uh fire department and uh individuals in uh on their staff will call to check on you every day to make sure, especially during this time of year, that you're okay.

If there's no answer, there's no response, and they will come out physically and check on those uh you and whoever is uh in your household.

Additionally, the fire department is also offering a free uh stepping on fall um uh presentation program for residents ages 55 and older.

The seven-week program to meet runs Wednesdays from uh 10 o'clock or excuse me, 10 30 a.m.

until 12 30 p.m.

Also January 14th and February 25th and the Greater Dayton Rec Center, the registration is required.

So again, these are some things to make sure you're connected with.

All right.

Additionally, I want to say Mr.

Kiergan, you got your response from Mr.

Barlett about the process, and feel free to call us and we'll be happy to let you know whatever type of updates we have as well.

And we like having you come here, uh, like seeing you and hearing your comments, uh, but you can also call as well.

I okay.

Uh additionally, we want to say that the services for board member Kieran Wick, who passed away last week, will be held uh December the 21st at Omega Church from uh I think the viewing starts at 3 o'clock p.m.

And the services actually start at 4 o'clock p.m.

Again, this Sunday, this coming Sunday, December the 31st.

And today just had the 21st.

21st, Mr.

Thank you so much.

The 21st.

Just want to recognize the fact that uh today, the 122nd birthday of the Wright brothers' first venture in flight right here in Dayton, Ohio.

So they had a ceremony this um earlier today, which I was fortunate enough to be able to attend and was fortunate enough to have good weather because I've heard that uh good weather or not they had their ceremony.

So we avoided having to have the ceremony on Monday.

Uh so very good for us.

So love and peace for all, with no further business to come before this commission.

Again, this meeting is adjourned.

And thank you all for your spirited contributions to this commission meeting.