Good evening, committee members, uh residents who are here with us today, uh, county staff.

It's my pleasure to call the April meeting to order.

Um today we're joined by our county leadership, uh Chief Operating Officer Zach Williams, uh SPLOSS manager uh Chris Kingsbury and director of roads and drainage, Peggy and Allen Peggy Allen.

They're gonna be presenting on the 2025-2026 local maintenance and improvement grant resurfacing programs, as well as the budget um for the SPLOS 2 programs, all about resurfacing uh projects again.

This budget um respectively for those two projects are 23 million and 200 million.

Um so within SPLOS 2, these two projects represent 8.7 percent of the 400 um 96 million dollar referendum um budget, right?

So 51% of the budgets is going to be spent on these types of uh construction projects.

Um this meeting is all about gaining that clarity.

Um so the presentation is all gonna be about project prioritization and scoring of these roads in in our system, um, contractor selection, accountability, project delivery, post delivery of project assessments, um, equity and future planning um throughout the SWAS 2 program.

After that, we're gonna have a 20-minute QA presentation of the committee for the presenters.

Um, you know, so we've prepared questions again, asking more questions about the SPLOS 2 program specifically.

Um following that, uh we're going to have uh public comment.

Again, the public comment section is going to be mainly we want it focused on the SPLOS 2 initiatives.

Um everybody knows that the Cav roads and drainage has a lot of backlog to work with, right?

Um so this is to address the the specific 200 miles that are in the SPLOSS II and specifically focusing on the projects that are near the more information we can get, the better report we can get at the end of the year for for our final report for 2025 or 2026.

Um with that being said, uh we can now proceed with a roll call.

Uh please state your name and your appointment.

We'll start on the right and go around Rebecca Perkins, District One, Jamie Dutro, District Two, Stephen Benny, CEO.

Middleton, District 7.

James Coch, District 6.

Gerald Austin, CEO.

Larry Lowe, District 7.

Teresa Harded, issue three.

Thank you.

We have a quorum.

And uh him online as well.

Does she just slice does she speak online?

Unmute.

Oh, she's right there.

Uh, but uh is pause online.

I was wondering if you dropped um he'll be joining us in a moment.

Well, you know, eight out of nine in Atlanta traffic, so yeah, he'll he'll be here any moment.

Um so with that again, our first order of businesses.

Our agenda um is adopting our April meeting uh notes and agenda.

So does everybody have a copy of the um April agenda that was just passed out.

So if they're um seeing this, is there any uh proposed amendments or walk-ons to the agenda?

We don't even want to Premier, Mr.

Chairman.

Yes, ma'am.

Um I move that we uh adopt the April meeting agenda.

Second.

So moved or uh any discussion?

Discussion.

So moved, so moved.

All in favor, raise your hand.

The ayes have it.

So moved.

There we go.

So the next order of business is looking and approving the February meeting minutes.

Again, we looked at these.

I believe my name has already been corrected, but the printout from tonight does not reflect that.

Can uh yeah, so we have amended that and that's what we are here to discuss today.

Um there in the February meeting minutes.

Um the note, I'm just looking at the amended copy of it, the one that we sent to the county.

And um, yeah, as mentioned, um, it says Teresa Hardy and seconded by Rebecca Hardy, which that's not her name.

Um, so we corrected that uh by saying uh motion by Theresa Hardy uh seconded by Rebecca Perkins to adopt our bi-monthly meeting schedule, and the vote was unanimous.

Um then the other thing that was kind of uh you know agreed just a little bit, you know, we probably a little bit oversight of the note taker was the substitute motion um that Gerald made was for a tentative 2026 meeting calendar.

Um but that uh was uh moved and redacted, so no vote took place.

Um so one of the things that we have to talk about is the secretary/slash note taker as well.

Um the county um, you know, we we all work full-time jobs, I and we want to be present here for the presentations and being able to ask questions.

So it is um would be nice if the county could provide a note taker for the meetings.

Um, because again, we just is there uh so as for the adoption and approval of the February uh minutes.

Um obviously these corrections are needing to be made, right?

So I don't know what the next steps are.

If you guys can explain that Mr.

Chairman, um I move that we accept the minutes with the corrections that were identified with Rebecca's name and Gerald's name and the no vote.

Second, all in favor, any discussion.

All in favor, so moved.

All right, so um again, the other uh topic on our agenda um was the uh note keeper again.

Um if we could have a note keeper from the county providing um, you know, taking notes, and you know, not for nothing, but if Decatur TV, if if there is a way of transcribing this, right?

Um if there is any transcription service that can have happen post-delivery.

Um just would like your guys' thoughts on that.

All right, well, um the chair will entertain any motions or defer uh deferred elections again on the the note keeper.

Um so with that um our procedural items are complete.

Um I'd like to thank our presenters again for joining us, and we can get started.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Chair, and thank you, members of the committee.

Uh, first off, I would uh like to just respond to the issue of the county providing a note taker, and uh Mr.

Stephen Mahoney uh is actually taking uh uh transcribing our conversation today.

Uh so he will provide the minutes for the meeting.

We'll get that back out to you.

Okay.

So um again, um, my name is Zach Williams.

For those of you I've not had the pleasure of uh meeting and working with, and I think I've had the pleasure of pretty much everyone.

Uh I'm the chief operating officer uh responsible for the daily oversight and management of county operations on behalf of the CEO.

Um today we're going to have a presentation uh regarding the roads.

Uh we're gonna talk about the road rating process.

Peggy Allen, who will talk about progress to date.

What are the roads that we have addressed as part of SPLOS two?

We'll talk about contractor selection, oversight of the contractors.

And so after today's meeting, and each of you do have a copy, a hard copy, but we will ensure that you have a uh an understanding of how the SPLOS, well, the SPLOSS committee members and taxpayers will have an understanding of how the funds are allocated.

Okay, what what is the process for determining what roads get paved and what roads do not?

What is the prioritization and how do we monitor um the progress uh relative to each pro road project and how do we hold uh accountable the work that is done?

Okay.

And so the first present presentation will be led by Miss Peggy Allen, who's our director of roads and drainage.

Miss Allen has over 36 years experience in the engineering, roadway maintenance, and the like.

Uh she has been with the county for a matter of fact, 36 years.

Um so um she is always a pleasure to not only work with, but she is definitely an expert in her field.

So uh Ms.

Allen, if you would come up and walk everyone through the evaluation process, how we determine what we're gonna do, uh, and ultimately when we're going to do it.

She will be followed by Mr.

Kingsbury, our SPLOSS program manager, who will talk through the 200 miles of roads that are part of SPLOS two, the um, and how we hold the count hold accountable the contractors for getting the work done.

Ms.

Allen.

Thank you.

Let's move forward.

Okay, this evening, uh, as mentioned, we're gonna talk about our road rating methodology, our current inventory of roads, and our SPLOSS one and SPLOS two, and how requests can actually be added to our list.

Um that's a lot of words there, so I'll just kind of talk you uh through it a bit.

Basically, you know, it's part of our executive summary.

You know, we mentioned that uh prior to SPLOS, uh the county primarily um resurfaced approximately 20 miles of road annually.

And that 20 miles of road uh was funded basically through county funds and through the LMIG grant, and that's the uh local maintenance improvement grant that we receive each year from the Georgia DOT.

And that's averaged between 3.5 and $5 million a year.

So in the past, that's what we used to actually do all of the resurfacing that we did in the county, and that was our only funding source for many years.

Thanks.

Um, as a part of um what we've done in the past is you know, a little quick background before I get to that next slide.

There is the county actually maintains um more than 7,000 road segments, and uh we separate roads into segments.

If it's a very long road, we'll divide it into segments because they have multiple uses that we may go from a residential street to a commercial street.

So we actually um maintain over 7,000 road segments, and we rate those segments annually.

And a part of our rating system is we use a system that's very similar to the Georgia DOT's rating system, um, and it involves looking at a number of road distress uh situations, and we do it annually.

So each road in the Cab County gets rated at least once a year.

And uh the streets are given a rating between zero and sixty-two.

So we go from bad to worse, and our resurfacing uh process is also to resurface worse first.

So, in addition to that, when we talk about um that process and that rating process, it's called a pavement condition index.

You know, here we just call it a rating.

You know, when citizens call and say, well, what's my road rated?

What they're asking is what is the pavement condition index for that street, and that uh index tells us the the type, extent, and severity of the pavement condition.

And we form those evaluations, as I mentioned, at least once a year on every single county maintained road in the system.

And as a part of that uh process, we look at different things, we look at different types of distresses uh of the roads.

We look at transverse cracking, longitudinal cracking, about a dozen of those different distresses, and I'll actually show you a photo of those.

Um of the other things that we do is when we rate the roads, we store information in our system about that that street.

Is it a thoroughfare?

Is it an arterial?

What's the length of the street?

What's the width?

Different uh things that tell us about that that street.

Is it in a subdivision?

Is it within a city?

What landline is it in?

Next slide.

Now, the the type of stresses that we look at when we're conducting those ratings, if you look at the photographs, alligator cracking, I'm sure as you drive through your community, you can tell us, you may not have known what the names were, but you've seen these conditions longitudining, cracking, block cracking, transverse cracking, next.

Patching, of course, you're familiar with potholes, depressions, upheavals, next.

And we have rutting, missing stone, edge raveling, oxidation and bleeding.

So that's about a dozen different distress types that we actually evaluate at least once a year for every street segment in the county.

Now, the pavement conditioning rating, when we're doing those evaluations, each of those photographs that you saw, each of those conditions receive a rating between, if you look at, for instance, longitude cracking cracking, if it's a very good street, it doesn't get any numbers, it gets a zero.

Each rating gets a number, the highest PCI for that longitudinal crack it is six.

So that's the highest number that it could get if that's the only thing that's going on on that street.

And again, we rate each street from zero to 62, and zero is a freshly resurfaced street.

62 is a street that has totally collapsed.

This is just a sample of uh the data that we also keep in the system.

More information about the streets.

If you look at the um, this is a street that was recently resurfaced, so that rating is a two.

Uh, and if you look at below that two on the right, at the middle of the page, you'll see that we have data on this particular stretch of street over the last 10 years.

So we try to keep historical data for all of our streets.

Um, we're building out that database so we can see how the street lasts, you know, what the rating is over the years, and we can kind of keep track on how the system is going.

Now, when we're looking at the PCI, as I mentioned, from zero to 62 is the rating.

But also, this chart kind of shows you, you know, zero is a street in excellent condition.

Uh 40, actually, the street has failed, 62 is practically a dirt road.

But that rating, those numbers give you an idea of how that street goes over time from zero to 40, how that street deteriorates.

Thanks.

When you look at this next chart, it kind of gives you a typical expected lifespan of a street uh in that first block, excellent from um excellent to very good.

It should take about 12 years for a street to go from freshly resurfaced, excellent, to then uh actually be a very bad street.

I mean, be a good street.

If you go all the way to the bottom, it should take an extra um four more years added on to that.

So the lifespan of a street, you should get 20 to 30 years from a new fresh street.

Yes.

Now, I'm sure you've seen some of these items too.

Uh you don't actually need to see a picture of a pothole to know what it is, but we we brought one with with us today to share it.

We wanted to show you also how do we you know do maintenance on streets.

We show this picture because the picture at the bottom is a picture of coal mix, coal patch, no hot asphalt.

We share that with you because in the winter time, the asphalt plants are closed, so we can't get hot asphalt, but we have to repair the pothole.

This is just a photograph of what a coal patch, coal mix looks like, but we have to make that repair, and these are temporary repairs.

Next.

Uh, on these set of pictures, we show you uh the top photo we have to do base stabilization.

That's when you see that sometimes there's mud or dirt even bleeding through the asphalt.

That means the base needs to be restabilized.

Uh, and that's just a photo of doing that.

And the bottom photo is a pothole hot mix repair or patch hot mix repair.

And the difference is, you know, that's gonna last a lot longer than that um coal patch repair.

Next.

Uh the next picture is a the one at the top shows a large full width patching job.

This is when we go in and there's uh may have been a number of distresses or issues with this street.

So we take out all of the top level of asphalt layer of asphalt and just pave repave the road from edge to edge.

And the photo at the bottom is a is also a large patch, but we didn't have to go from edge to edge.

We were able to do a single lane patch.

Uh and these slides are actually showing part of the resurfacing process where the street at the top has been milled and then resurfaced.

And of course, the photo at the bottom is a completed street.

The one at the bottom would be a street rated zero.

Now, now when we look at our street maintenance next network, you know, we maintain approximately 1,400 miles.

And you know, the as I mentioned, the suggested asphalt lifespan is about 20 to 30 years.

Now, prior to SPLOSS, the county resurfaced approximately 30 miles of roadway a year.

And of course, that doesn't give you much headway with 1,400 miles.

It would take approximately 47 years to resurface every street in the network at a rate of only 30 miles a year.

So of course, when SPLOSS came about, it was very good to us because it gave us an opportunity to resurface more miles and reduce that 47 years.

Now, SPLOSS funding and LMIG funding, uh, the CAP allocates SPLOSS funding for street resurfacing, but it's also combined with our LMIG.

Um that LMIG grant, we apply for and receive it each year from the state.

Uh the last few years it's averaged four to five million dollars.

We use all of that money as part of our SPLOSS resurfaced as part of our resurfacing network, but then it's supplemented with the SPLOSS funds.

And based on the um the progress that we made with with SPLOS one, you know, we could address 1,400 miles of streets within a 20-year period.

So that cut that 47 years down to down to 20.

And if we have the lifespan of 20 to 30 years, that will catch us up and help our road network improve with a very improved PCI index.

Now, this this chart is is very good to show that in 2017, prior to SPLOSS, the average PCI, the average pavement condition index in the county network was 18.75.

That was pretty high.

We had a lot of streets rated over 30.

Each year it's gotten better.

2023, now the average uh PCI is 16.9, so it's going down.

Last year, at the end of our resurfacing season last year, the average PCI was 16.17.

What that means is each year with the additional splots resurfacing, the road network is improving.

The condition of the Cab County roads are improving.

And where are we now?

As we mentioned, we resurface roads in the county.

The policy is worse first.

And we do that because we know that the worse the condition of the roadway is, the longer, I mean, the more it takes actually to repair it.

So we want to catch them as quickly as possible.

Um, and with this system with that first 300 miles of SPLOSS, uh, the streets in 2018, everything that we we started at resurfacing streets at about a 35.

So that was that was pretty high.

And at that time, the average cost of resurfacing roads was 450,000 per mile.

And that was when SPLOSS started.

Well, things have changed.

Currently, the average cost to resurface one mile of roadway is 900,000.

So the cost of resurface is double since SPLOSS.

And actually, we've had a couple of contracts that have gone over over a million dollars a mile.

So in asphalt is directly tied to oil.

So that's why there's such a fluctuation in the resurfacing cost.

That's one of the reasons.

Um now when we talk about continuing with the additional 200 miles of resurfacing, you know, when we started in SPLOS one with 300 miles, as I mentioned, 35 was the um was the high number for our pavement condition index.

Now that we finish SPLOS one and we're entering into uh SPLOS two, uh the ratings of our the uh degree of our networks, actually the ratings are getting much better.

There we're in in fair.

Now, fair doesn't sound very good, but it compared to where we were six years ago, it was poor.

So now we're getting into fair and we're going from you you'll notice I think on one of the handouts where you see the 200 mile list, some of the streets that you see on that list are below rated below 30, which means the network is definitely improving.

When we were doing 34s and 35s, now on the 200 mile list, we're below 30.

Now and um, you know, I mentioned again here the PCI, how it's improving and getting getting actually lower.

Uh we can go to the next slide.

Um, and when we talk about um the PCI, how we're doing, you know, we're resurfacing those other additional 200 miles.

As I mentioned before, that the cab network is improving.

And the bottom photo on on this slide just shows that um that's the uh credit in agency, the American Public Works Association is a part of our accredited agency.

And when we were accredited about three years ago, APWA chose our road rating system as a model practice, and what that means is they took our system the way we do it, and they shared it with other municipalities to be used as a model practice.

Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Allen.

Um, next we will have Chris Kingsbury, who's the SPLOSS program manager.

You can drive for now.

For now.

All right.

Evening, everybody.

Uh here.

We're on green light, greens means go.

Uh as Zach said earlier, I've been at this game since 1979, so I guess I got a few more years on Peggy.

That's 47 years or so.

Two quick things.

Uh Peg did a great job.

Uh it's kind of interesting.

The asphalt plants don't do spot sales in the winter, but for the big contracts, if the contractor knows the weather forecast is gonna be 45, 55 degrees and rising, the weather looks good, they'll run the plant for a larger contract.

So we'll we'll touch on that in a minute.

Uh that's why the paving contracts are a year long.

And then everybody, I gave a supplemental uh handout to everybody.

Go to the last page.

After I saw Peggy's presentation, I we put this last page on here, resurfacing contract summary.

And you can see that's every contracts plus one and two have let.

It's 14 contracts.

Well, 13 have been let.

Uh 14's getting ready to go to bid.

And as Peggy touched on, 230 million dollars is the value of all those contracts for 352 miles of uh roads, the last contract being an estimate.

And the cost, as Peggy said, you know, what drives the cost of resurfacing.

Heavy asphalt, distill it, heavy oil is is the asphalt emulsion, and everything on the road runs on diesel fuel.

So that's why you'll see a great fluctuation.

The COVID Ukraine war, we have some spikes.

It went down.

The last bid we got was really aggressively low.

I don't think we're gonna see that for a while.

So the bullet points you all want us to talk about, contractor selection process.

Good thing to keep in mind is our role is we're a staff extension to Peggy.

And as she said, in an average year with just the state grant and a regular county budget, she could do 20 miles plus or minus a year with her staff.

Splust lets her keep that county match for her potholes and other things, keep her staff busy on roads and drainage problems.

We're on board to provide the manpower to do the inspections and help her out.

So we're a staff extension to the regular county staff for that extra spLOS dollars.

And then the contractor selection process is the countywide standard for procurement, whether buying police cars, asphalt resurfacing, desks for offices, whatever the county has a purchasing policy, and I think Zach, that could be a future meeting if y'all were interested, how that works.

Construction oversight, we're the guys on the ground, hard hats, boots, vest.

Every day of the contract is working, there's an inspector watching him.

So what happens when the contract's led?

It's a year-long contract, 260 working days.

First thing that happens is we sit down with the contractor, he has the list that he bid on, and depending on his schedule, how he has to mobilize the equipment.

He'll tell us where it expects to be the following week.

So we run out and document the road, look for things that might be damaged, like a mailbox was already down, the kinds of things people might complain about.

Put the signs up, most importantly, put the flyers out.

The flyers have a little number to call if you have questions.

We ask people not to park on the street, and generally after 300 plus miles and eight years of doing this, 99.9% of the time, everybody keeps the cars off the streets.

Very rarely we'll have to tow a car.

And often with the few times we've towed it, I think we've returned it and not charged them for it just to just to keep everybody happy.

So it's hard to read.

This is just sort of a worksheet that the inspectors have on your computer, and we'll touch on why this is important as you get to the end of it.

But it's it's the length of the road, how much milling we had to do, how much topping we had to do, all those details that go into resurfacing a road, those 7,000 segments, 4,000 uh was it about a thousand miles, 7,000 segments.

We'll walk the job before it starts.

The milling is generally, we'll go to a detailer in a minute, about two inches of depth, we take off, and we sequence that so we don't mill a road and walk away.

If it's longer than a tenth of a mile, we'll we'll only do one side.

Try to keep the inconvenience down.

If y'all have been down on the street or lived on a street that's been resurfaced, it's not a pleasant thing to sit in your front porch and watch the mill road.

It's noisy, dusty.

But as Peggy said, we'll get 10 plus years of or more of lifespan out of that.

And prior to recently, even going back probably to Peggy's early years, my early years, many, many residential street contracts, the counties, not just not just to CAP, Gwennette and Cobb and everywhere else we work, did not mill.

They were just resurfacing.

So when the contractor starts work and he's milled, when he comes back the next day, sometimes the same day, he's gonna put down a tack coat, really stinky, giant truck, says hot asphalt, don't get close.

It that is laid down over the milled surface, seals the cracks.

We want to make sure it's on top of a clean surface.

The road's been broomed, blown off.

This is the detail they're following.

So they're basically taking the two inches out, and then we're going back with two passes behind that.

And this is just sort of tells them how they treat the edges.

When you get to a radius, you you go around the radius into the travel lane adjacent.

Unless it's a state route, we stop short of the radius because we don't we don't have permission to work on the state roads.

Every time the truck shows up, the driver has a ticket, and it tells us three critical things.

The mix design that the plant ran for us, the time the truck left the plant, and the temperature of the mix when it left the plant.

He's got about, depending on the temperature outside, anywhere from half hour to maybe two hours in the summer.

Before that mix goes into that spreader, we're checking the temperature.

If it's not the right temperature, we reject it.

And there are other things we do.

We measure the spread depth.

If it's not right, we reject it.

The contractor doesn't get paid for anything unless we all sign off on it.

We're checking their joints, we're checking their roller operations.

It's basically we're the set of eyes to make sure most contractors are honest, but sometimes people get in a hurry, and it's not uncommon on a larger contract.

If we have a 25-mile contract, when we get to the end of the contract, he may have a mile or so in different segments that for variety of reasons aren't acceptable.

He has to go back and fix it to get paid.

Generally, we let them work seven-thirds of the six.

Sometimes they'll go over, they generally won't start much earlier.

But uh traffic control is a is a is a big part of it.

Contract calls for the contractor to have flaggers and signs, keep traffic moving, keep traffic safe.

We also walk behind them at the end of the day, did they pick up their trash?

You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get.

You think people could pick up their lunch wrappers, and then more importantly, if gravel and things get spilled, and the contractor is responsible for damages to people's property, and you might have to replace some sod or if he actually runs the mailbox over, we'll you know we'll put the new mailbox up.

These are these tickets I talked about.

So not only do we get the tickets from the truck drivers from the plant, we have the inspector's field notes, and the contracts are let three bid items, if you will.

Peggy's list of these are the roads that were rated, this is what we expect you to pave.

We have estimated quantities of two types of pavement.

A 25 millimeter pavement, which is about three-quarter inch aggregate stone.

That's that heavy base that goes on first.

And then we have a nine and a half millimeter mix, which is a three-eighths of an inch stone max, which is the finer wearing course you see.

That's the final topping course.

Every road is core on a regular interval when we put the engineers' estimates together before the bids go out.

So we have estimated quantities that the bidders are on can also double check if they don't believe our word.

Most of them do do their own their own math.

And the contractor is giving us pricing per ton for those two mixes, plus other pricing for staging and the price for the milling.

So there's we've estimated the quantities we expect him to provide, and he's giving us the prices, and we sort of keep track of it as we go for lack of a better term.

Because I should have brought some pictures, maybe another meeting, and I'll send them out to everybody.

We have a pretty good idea of what the subsurface is based on the payment condition index and the annual reporting and our preliminary coreing.

But sometimes that willing machine will go out, and we'll find it wasn't what we expected in certain places.

So certain segments of the contract may have more patching.

Other segments of the contract we may be lucky, can do less milling, and it sort of balances out.

So the 25 miles, I guess the best way to say it is a target.

And with that, I guess we're the question and answer period.

Come on up, Peggy.

Thank you.

Um I did have one more thing I was gonna add.

Uh James, your uh percentages were were spot on for the contract, but and I didn't bring copies of everybody.

I usually do apologies.

The agenda item status report that I think you all are familiar with.

We talked about it at the at the little uh briefing sessions we had uh on an introduction to teams.

The resurfacing budget in SPLOS 2 is B1 roads and streets.

So we've estimated the categories 250 million dollars in round numbers, 490 is 460 is the uh 490 is the theoretical total, and then we expect the resurfacing of that two to be about 180 million out of that 250.

So 70 percent plus or minus of the roads and roads budget in SPLOS 2 is resurfacing, and resurfacing is about 30 percent of the overall SPLOS program.

Thank you.

So, yeah, now is our uh QA portion again.

Um, you know, uh thank you for the presentation.

Um I will you know leave it up to you.

I have go ahead.

Uh thank you.

My neighborhood has uh old granite curbs, and they are wonky, they go up and down, up and down.

Are the curbs repaired?

No, that's an interesting question.

It's a it's it's uh we're resurfacing the wearing course of the road.

Those granite curbs in some neighborhoods, yours might be one.

I live in one streets were built in the 30s and 40s.

The curbing was of irregular size, it was just put in a granite base, uh granite dust base.

So after 50 or 60 years, my house is built in 48.

That curves and driven over, it is sunk.

Like I said before, earlier resurfacing programs, maybe in the 60s and 70s, after that road had been resurfaced once, did not mill generally.

So those curbs, yeah.

Uh we try to leave the same curb height when we're through when we come back to resurface.

But and Peggy can address this.

There's a way to address spot conditions.

Yes, um, one one of the things too is you you mentioned that the curves are wonky.

You're right.

Uh those things are um they're very heavy.

And in order to try to level them off, you have to dig them up.

You dig them up and place a base or foundation under them and then set them back in place, and over time they get, you know, we you have maybe a 10-foot section of curb, maybe 20-foot section.

So over over time they they sink.

And depending on the situation, it could be 20 to 40 dollars a linear foot for a long run of a recurb.

And we also, when we start to do that, if we have to do, and there are some roads Peggy's gone out to address uh drainage issues.

If we find water lines that were very shallow, and so we end up with a lot of utility conflicts.

And I will back up to my slides.

The three things that slow down the contract are obviously air temperature, water, you know, heavy rainfall, and if the road has a lot of properties on uphill side, it may heavy rainfall make take a couple days for that water to quit flowing off adjacent properties, and utility conflicts.

Often we find because of the vibrations in older neighborhoods, you water lines especially weren't laid very deep.

Fiber optic lines sometimes are all kinds of things, can end up being in the road we didn't expect.

And we hit those, we have to stop work, get it fixed.

So those are the three things that the most common delays.

Thank you.

Uh the chair recognizes District 2 appointee Jamie.

Do you record?

Yeah, I've got three uh questions I'm sure you can answer very quickly.

First one is uh I want to follow up on that.

First one is uh I want to follow up on that raising of the granite curbs does is the SPLOST cover any of that in the county does anybody does the county cover any of it that's that's all done in house by my crews okay with my annual budget and there is funding for that nothing nothing specific it's just part of our regular maintenance budget.

Okay.

Second question is the regular maintenance budget could call there does where does that come from it comes from the general fund?

Comes from the general fund and in the unincorporated area each uh you know from the millage rate for your unincorporated millage rate that's where it comes from okay and is that the is that where that 20 percent matching from the state funds comes from or goes is that prior prior to SPLOS passage the county's match was usually 80 percent so if they say gave you four million you got to come up with 80 percent let a 20 million dollar contract that came out of that millage your annual operating budget now the match comes out of splost so all the resurfacing is outside of the regular county annual budget now okay so that money that was formerly going to um to roads that drainage out the general budget now doesn't come out of there you don't well it's what still go I guess that you can answer goes to roads and drainage but helps her with operations costs operations and maintenance because remember spLost can only pay for the capital improvement with a seven to ten year plus lifespan and then and then the last thing that I'll be real brief is prior to Splost I understand the county could only resurface 30 miles of road is that 2025 we did 2025.

2025 yeah and was that that was funded by that state funds as well as the matching county funds it it was the Elmeag and the county match yes and the and the rest of the money came out of the general budget then out of the unincorporated I just want to make sure when when I say general fund that means all taxpayers throughout the county right and it it doesn't come from that it comes from all taxpayers in the unincorporated area right okay thank you Mr Gray points out because every local government gets an element distribution based on road mileage and population so DeCab County gets about four million plus or minus the cities depending on their size might get a million three hundred thousand I think Avondale got an eighty thousand last year just seems like kind of not much money from the state for the one of the biggest counties in the state right it's one of the bigger checks there right yeah it's not a big pot you're right and we have uh yes uh Gerald Lawson CEO um appointee uh first of all thank you so much for uh the presentation and also the training on teamworks a lot of information to digest it really is it's it's somewhat overwhelming however we're getting there slowly I do have a few questions number one is the inspection cycle in terms of the roads and I've got uh meetings uh set up with uh the the quadrant uh district seven and four and over in the the Deer Creek uh uh corridor and there are a number of concerns about roads specifically this inspection cycle and Peggy thank you for that presentation but I wanted you to kind of reiterate uh how often are the roads inspected and is that documented in the teamworks uh site uh no that information is not currently in teamworks uh but the streets each street in the county in unincorporated is assessed at least once a year okay in each of the 7,000 segments got it thank you for that answer however specifically there is a Malvern uh and it's documented here it's in splots two I noticed that um uh the ratings is 31 and it says that it is uh 0.48 uh miles I guess I'm not sure if that's the entire tributary but also the I've got a meeting uh Sunday afternoon with uh a lot of the homeowners in that quadrant and they're concerned about blantire is uh one of the tributaries those are major tributaries coming into uh Malvern and then they are two uh emergency management tributaries the road is bleeding in the middle red dirt you've got alligators and all of those different descriptions there that you gave you you gave a beautiful description of it but uh we really need to know when were they last inspected and also the uh what are the plans because really that those roads need to be addressed uh at least and we did some observations and uh but how can we what what information can we provide to the homeowners in terms of especially that there I don't see Bland Tower on there and Malvern's on there and how how much work is going to be done on that that's that's a good question.

I don't see Bland Tower on there and Malvern's on there, and how much work is gonna be done on that?

That's that's a good question.

Um I believe you sent over a list of those streets, and um, you know, I've asked staff to get the current ratings for you.

So hopefully we'll have that in time for your meeting.

Is there any way that those that rating system is there any way to make that public at you know, like I because I've had to do it too, like you know, I know the hoops and hurdles you have to go through public requests to get those numbers sometimes.

Is there any hopes that we can put that in a database that can show us when the last time my road was scored?

Uh at this time that's not available because we we compile a um at the end of each rating season, we compile a major list of each street, what those ratings are, and we actually provide copies of those to uh I think all of the commission districts have copies of of those.

And uh we're working on the when the county's new website is um live and available, we're gonna actually put that system on the uh website so you'll be able to go in and actually see the rating as of that last snapshot, but not an ongoing uh live time uh rating.

Sorry, just one follow-up question.

You said that the commissioners, the I guess who uh appointed us, that information is distributed to them, those ratings.

Just the just the last uh rating cycle.

I think the last rating cycle was completed July of 25.

So you know, we try to get that information out to you know as many citizens as possible because a lot of citizens contact the commissioner's office and a lot of them contact us.

So we don't want citizens to have the runaround.

If you contact us first, we provide it.

If you happen to contact your commissional commissioner, that information is available in their offices as well.

But we always ask people to contact us, and we'll be happy to provide that information to anyone.

So as CEO appointees, and we've got quite a few districts out there.

So we would go to the uh commissioner in this case this year.

We can sell it to everybody.

No, I I don't have, I mean, I could get that to you.

Oh, I got it.

We can we can get it to you.

Thank you.

And if I could, because we we've just gone live with the update on the website, so we'll get it posted.

Okay.

Okay, good.

Thank you.

Steve Benny, um the CEO appointee.

Um you say that we are now paving 200 miles over six years.

Is that correct?

That's the target.

Okay, that comes out to uh 33 miles a year, which is just three miles more than the estimates you were given with the 30 miles a year for 47 years.

So, according to the 200 miles a year, it would take 42 years to redo the entire road system that's supposed to last 20 to 30 years.

You've got to factor in the scale, the score.

During splosh one, they did 300 miles.

And under that, if you did 300 miles a year, it would take only 28.2 years to run the entire cycle.

Um I would like to suggest that you go back to funding the other 30 miles or 25 miles that you were doing that the county was doing by itself and the state.

I'd like to see that money put back in.

If it was, we could be we could redo the entire cycle in 22 years or maybe a little bit more.

Uh I don't think that's as big a price to pay.

Thank you.

Take tax taking notes.

It'd be adding regular other funds to the splash budget too.

Well, one way to look the big picture is Splosh one and a 300 mile list.

We did that SPLOSS two as a 200 mile list.

We're working on it.

So Sploss dollars.

Under mean 500 miles a road.

Under 200 miles for every six years, it takes 42 years to repay 1400 miles of road.

Well, if you're doing 300 a year, it takes 28.2 okay years.

If we have if we had to do that.

I think that's the issue.

The third 300 miles a year, uh, Mr.

Benny, I think that is with Sploss one, we did 300 miles, yeah, but over five years.

See what I mean?

Well, six, yeah.

Well, right.

So we've never done 300 miles a year.

So that's me.

You were absolutely correct.

I meant 300 miles over six years.

My misstatement.

Okay.

So which is 50 miles a year.

We recognize District 7.

Larry Love.

Yeah, I want to thank you for showing the average PCI in this change over time.

Um is it possible to get a table that shows the range like 20 to 30, and how many miles are eligible for splash and how that changed over time?

Well, so there's two snapshots.

So you've got the 200 mile list, and then we've got the 300 mile list we can provide again of the splash one roads.

And there's a score for each one.

So can you show like the percentage?

So you you're giving me the information about 15.6% are now the ones that are now above 30.

But can you show me over time the ones that are in other ranges, either above or below that 30 as well.

Uh let us look at that.

Um, I'm not sure how much of that data we have, but but we can look at that.

I see what you're saying.

Okay, thank you.

Like a rolling average for every year.

Teresa?

Yeah.

Okay.

So I have quite a few questions because in district three, we have a lot of people that's asking a lot of questions.

And um, first of all, thank you for the presentation.

And thank you for bringing us up to date on how the ratings is done, because I did I wasn't aware that it was done annually.

That's a good thing.

Um the concerns in district three are around specific roads.

And my question is going to be more around how we respond to that, because like I have I think it was three different emails that went out and they're asking um when is Columbia Road is going to be um paved or resurfaced.

Yeah, there's numbers before.

So that's I I want to understand.

I understand what we have here with the proposed 200 miles, but when someone is contacting anybody and they're asking about their uh specific street, whatever the street is, what is the process for receiving a response?

Okay, um, that's a good question.

And and we can always have a response available, but the the expected or requested response may not be what the requester is is requesting.

And what I mean by that is we can always tell you what your road is rated.

Um we can tell you um if that road is currently on a splice resurfacing list at this time.

Um what we can't tell you with any um certainty is if the road is not currently on a list when it will be anticipated uh to be resurfaced, but we can kind of fill you in on where you are if you're actually um on a contract, but we can't tell you specifically when you'll be resurfaced if you're not already on a contract.

Okay, all right.

Thank you for that.

I think if we could just get that response, I think that would help uh help us as well.

Um I think that is enough to give the response.

Um I don't think we need to answer a response on what they expected, right?

We we just don't do that.

But what you're saying is the correct response, right?

You give them what you have.

If you don't have it, you don't have it, right?

Uh appreciate that.

Next question.

Um we say that we're doing 200 miles per displosh period, and understanding I think the other part was because we did 300 in the first one.

We expected more, but we did hear tonight that the cost is up.

Is this related to unincorporated?

That is important for us to get an answer.

100% thank you.

Touch that Peggy touches are in unincorporated to cap.

And I will say the new website, Zach mentioned it.

The little handout I gave was a screenshot of the old website.

The new one was up and running this morning, and then it went down.

They're working through the technical things.

I suspect give them a couple days to work out the bugs.

But that that it's the same map, a little different format.

And you can see the it looks like looks like a quilt now.

And you click on any put your address in, it'll take you to your road.

Click on any of those colors, it'll give you the contract when it was done, when it's proposed.

So the there are two contracts on the map now, the pending award to three R paving for the 2025 omicks slash Sploss, and the pending bid to be advertised this springs.

We're in spring now, hopefully this summer, for the 26 LMAG slash Sploss.

Okay, we're working on a pavement for a third contract.

But do remember SPLOSS is pay as you go.

So we got to balance the dollars that come in against all the other categories, and um you know we're not gonna let a contract with no money in the bank toward.

Okay, yeah, so just so that I'm clear, we've we just stated unincorporated roads.

Is the total miles in unincorporated?

Is that the 7,000 miles in unincorporated?

Yes.

Okay, thank you for 7,000 segments.

Right.

Segments, yes, but a little less a thousand miles plus or minus.

It's more it's more than a thousand, it's more about 1500.

15, 1400, she said, yeah.

Oh, I'm good.

Chair recognizes uh Mr.

Shopping.

Uh thank you, Peggy and Chris.

Uh very thorough uh presentation.

I do have uh four questions.

Um you may have already answered them, but just would like to get some clarity on them.

Um first one being, you know, we do hear a lot of oh, this road was paved just two years ago, it's already crumbling.

Um so the first question is um, is there a warranty that the contractor provides, and if so, for how long for the area they pave?

There's no warranty because a lot of conditions can happen that are just unforeseen, uncontrollable.

So, for instance, a good example would be a road that had no watershed problems.

We milled it, we resurfaced it a year later, a storm drain breaks, a waterline breaks, some other subsurface condition.

Uh generally, experience tells us the I hate to use the term failure, right, Peggy, but over a 25 mile an hour, 25 mile contract, the it's probably less than five percent that will have some subsurface issue for a small segment, but it's just you can't forecast it.

And that unfortunately comes out of our operating and maintenance budget.

Does um SPLOS cover any subsurface um repairs before it gets so that's a great question?

We we can't pave over once we mill, we find a problem, we got to fix it.

So that's why those dollar value contracts are estimates.

Okay.

Um the next question is who does the final walk through and sign off after a section has been completed?

We do, and and Peggy's folks, Montavist does more.

Her folks are looking over our shoulders too, but we're there so they can go take care of other problems.

Okay, and uh last question.

Um, how are surcharges and price escalations handled after the contract has been issued?

Change order.

And what we do, the state of Georgia publishes an asphalt pavement index for their contracts, and we generally follow that.

Okay, um, and lastly, um, how are safety claims um um handled during the construction process?

So the contractor's response, his contractor holds him responsible for damages, so it goes to their claims department.

Okay we have coordinate the paperwork and make sure everybody stays in the loop.

But a perfect example would be hey, backed over my mailbox.

Yeah, we make sure they get the paperwork to file the claim and they can work out the what the adjuster.

Okay, and last question.

Um, I know during the milling process there's a lot of dust and soil that get kicked up, and say uh a rain event comes through.

How was like erosion control and all that managed during the milling process?

They can't leave exposed earth, so they'll at least put down a temporary base course if they think they're gonna be gone for a day or two, and if they've uncovered a bad patch.

So that's yeah, that's part of their their uh specifications.

Okay, and then you know, sometimes of even if it's a really dusty section, we have given people car the contracts are giving people car wash vouchers.

Okay.

Well, thank you.

Mr.

So I do have another question that had come to me.

Um the lining, uh, even in your pictures, you talked about the pavement, but we didn't talk about lining.

So is there a lot of things?

So the striping okay.

Most contracts are let without striping because it the con this county when we started had a striping contract and had some of their own equipment.

They're going back to having some of their own equipment.

There's a striping contract pending.

We're asking going forward to put striping in the contracts.

Oh, so going forward, just plus, yeah, we'll we'll uh we'll add it to the to the paving base bid.

The reason it wasn't done before, it's very specialized, and we got a better price by not having the paving contractor do it.

Because remember, he's doing small segments all over the place.

But given the difficulty in the marketplace, there are very few companies that do it.

And uh it's been hard to get qualified, hard to get good bids, hard to get being people to bid on it.

So going forward, we're gonna try to add it to the contracts.

Yeah, putting it back in.

Oh, it's gonna be in the okay.

So the street is Wesley Chapel.

I'm getting all the calls about the lining uh Westley Chapel hasn't been done.

I think you probably know Miss Peggy.

Yes.

Um and Wesley Chapel is on uh one of our high maintenance lists for for striping.

One of the things that that Chris just mentioned is you know, we've been without a full-time striping contractor for a while, but we're currently going out to bid to get a full-time striping contractor that can do those large arterial roads like um Wesley Chapel, multi-lane.

Um so we'll we're working on that contract, and we'll be back in business with with striping for all of the streets in the county.

And then Peggy, you've also for the lower volume roads that aren't using thermoplastic, the county is purchased and they're in training process, having your own paint truck.

In the future, in the very very near future.

We'll be we'll be ready to do the the small streets ourselves, but those big uh major thoroughfares, we want people with more equipment, more people, and they can uh put down the thermoplastic.

Our truck is gonna be just paint, thermoplastic lasts for years, paint maybe six months.

Thank you.

Are there any more questions?

Mr.

Yes, Chris.

Uh this is a little bit off top topic, but uh after three years, how are our collections doing versus projections and how much money do we have?

Mr.

Benny.

So your supplemental handout page two, splash two revenue and interest at date as of the end of March 31st.

Collections actually uh 146 million projected was 147 million, so we're running just a little under.

But historically, and we can provide this to you after the holidays, the first three months of most years, regardless of the economic cycle, they've always been lower.

So we're we're pretty confident.

Inflation is everybody's enemy, but it's our friend when it comes to getting those pennies.

And another note you'll see there, we've expanded about 17.9 million, call it 18.

The board has approved about 147 million dollars worth of projects.

Oh my god, we've approved more money that we have in the bank.

But remember, look at the last six or seven bullets.

A lot of those the board has approved, you know, 15 million dollars for Lucia Sanders, 10 million dollars here, six million dollars there, 20 million for the LMEG, we haven't let yet.

So there are long-term contracts that we don't we haven't let yet, but the board has authorized those contracts to be awarded when they're let when the money's in the bank.

And y'all you got our numbers, don't go ahead and take the call.

Just one more question for Chris.

Um, on this, okay.

So I get a lot of complaints about we're not getting our fair share, da-da-da.

So you said unincorporated, so we know that number.

Um when the funds are uh coming in and being expensive.

Are we doing a percentage calculation on uh what we're about to fund, or do we am I making sense?

I'm not gonna do that.

So we're we're we're timing the cash flow okay and how we work with purchasing to let the projects to make sure over time it goes through that lead time of design, advertising, bidding, and award, we think we'll have enough money in the bank.

Oh so they're always tied together.

So and that could be in all the areas, it's all yeah, unincorporated.

So that's important because some people are probably thinking, oh, you have the money, you should go ahead and get all my roles paid, like right now.

Yeah, yeah.

We're working on the 200 mile list, which is distributed fairly equally throughout all of unincorporated county.

We track location by district for a convenience.

Okay, but the referendum is silent on districts.

Attorney Terriel, take me if I'm saying differently.

Um we provide the commissioners and we copy all list of projects and approximate expenditures by district.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mr.

Jamie, I have just one follow-up on uh no, I'm sorry.

His question.

Um do you require uh PNP bonds on every as payment performance bonds or yeah?

There's a the contracts are fully bonded, payments and performance subcontractors and you do you uh use third party inspectors for quality, or is it are you that's where we are okay?

But you're also over the owner, so you're not really third party, but we're hired by the owner.

Okay, okay, yeah.

Okay, and that's the standard.

We do it for both Georgia DOT, other DOTs.

Um yeah, but okay.

Sometimes that's I do this a lot.

So um between milling and paving, what what's the sort of time frame?

Again, how they depends on the weather is typically on average about depending on the segment, it could be as quick as a day turnaround.

We it could be a day if it's a short segment, it could be several weeks because factors one street in our neighborhood that's been built, and the equipment sat there for several weeks and then they left and it's still not done.

So neighbors should have some known, we'll we'll try to find out the reason.

Yeah, thank you.

Okay, uh, I we really appreciate your guys' uh presentation again.

Um ensuring equity through uh throughout the county, and I think having these understanding these PCI scores um so we can really see um per district what what our roads and uh and the conditions are, as well as going into um the budget and um you know making that data is key and paramount, expediting the speed in which we can reduce our roads, you know.

For me as a citizen, I'm looking at it if it's a roads only 20 miles um good for 20 20 years, um, and it's just gonna fail.

What what are we doing here, right?

Like, how do we reduce that amount of time it's gonna take to fix our roads?

Uh so with that being said, um, we are up to the public uh comment section.

Um for the public, I think we passed out cards.

Yeah.

Did we not pass out cards?

Okay.

Um procedurally, uh we are uh giving uh as much time um as we need to get to everybody's time, but we're gonna divide it up equally.

Um so we want to keep comments and questions specifically focused about SWAS too.

Um, you know, for for questions that you might have, as we know, Peggy and the team here are very transparent.

Um, but again, we want to keep these conversations focused on the SWAS um the funds.

So with that being said, um, you're gonna get the cards, you're gonna have your name.

Um, we're gonna set a timer and we'll go from there.

So you're gonna operate the clock.

Yes, do you want the full 20 minute time or three minutes?

Three minutes.

Three minutes, Mr.

Chair.

Three minutes.

First uh speaker would be Mr.

Robert Farsen.

Thank you, everyone.

Uh my name is Rod Friars, and I'm I serve a couple of different hats.

One of those is the president of the Hidden Hill Civic Association in Stone Mountain, and also serve on the MARTA board for the Care County.

Uh I'm gonna say thank you to the committee members who are serving on the SPLOSS role.

Uh I understand that for some of us, we may not understand how this government works in delivering road surfacing projects, but you helped communicate that, and that's important.

I once served on the SPLOS first committee, and uh so I understood some of the things that you have to deal with.

And I also understand the challenges that the the county has with delivering information too.

So understand that.

So I had to say one comment and two questions.

One has to do with um when we resurface in our community, we have these nice pretty streets.

Uh, it is really disappointing when we see sanitation comes through and they leave a trail of whatever that is that they drip through the community.

I'm hoping that that's somebody's paying attention to that.

I think that that is um it is is not necessary, but I know it happens, but somebody needs to be paying attention to it so they at least come back and clean it up, right?

Uh we've had in our community about 12 different roads resurfaced as part of SPOS 1.

So we were very fortunate to have those roads.

And so we watched the resurfacing process, and we could see what happened after they were all nice and pretty and striped.

And we just was disappointed to see that happen.

Nobody complained.

I my question has to do with now has to do with when the roads are resurfaced, the manholes that are sitting in the streets.

We know that they resurfaced around those.

I got it.

But for some state, for some reason, we see them come back and cut a bigger hole around these manholes, and then they come back and fill them in.

So now the street is not uniform.

Can you explain that to me, Chris?

How did it work?

What's the what's the logic behind that?

Maybe I'm missing something.

All right, that's my question.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, everybody.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

And Mr.

Chair, what we'll do is we'll provide written responses to all of the issues raised.

Thank you.

Okay.

Your next uh speaker would be Mr.

Larry Kaiser.

Good evening, citizen subcommittee.

My name is Larry Kaiser.

I'm the executive director of the Mitchell South Community Improvement District, Southwest of CAB.

There are sections of road or road sections that uh Peggy under Splas One was able to resurface in this industrial area of DeKeb County.

So thank you, Peggy, for that.

She was also able to do some striping on her on an industrial road that we're very happy about.

The roads in the industrial area are not in great shape.

Um terms of condition rating, I suspect they most probably rate decent average.

Um and so I'm not gonna get into all the other things that need to be done in industrial areas, such as radius improvements, widening, those kind of things.

I know we're not here to talk about that tonight, but we are here to talk about condition of roads.

So there's a section of road in RCID that's called Old McDonough Road.

Old McDonough from Transport City Drive to Lancaster Road.

It at one time was paved.

30-foot wide road, industrial road.

Um it leads over eventually over to Mason Dixon Road on another dirt road in the in this industrial area.

But the section I'm referring to is not the dirt road, although that will come up at a later conversation with this committee in the future.

I'm referring to a road that was paved at one point in time, and now it is basically gravel.

So Peggy comes out about once every two months, three months, and grades the road.

Problem is there's 300 trucks a day, dump trucks, tractor trailers that come out of the cargo shipping yards that exist off Old McDonough.

And I would say within a week of Peggy grading the road with her murder grader, the road is torn up like you wouldn't believe.

There are holes that are, I'm an engineer, so I'm not gonna exaggerate, three to four feet deep in some areas.

So there are times when the CID needs to go out with our contractor, and we backfill those areas with stone as a temporary measure because I know Peggy can't come out every time there's a hole, so we have to spend our money to do it ourselves.

We shouldn't be doing that, right?

We should not be doing that as a CID.

And so I'm asking that this section of once paved road that's now a gravel slash dirt road, be rehabbed, rehabilitated, reclaimed.

There's a lot of techniques associated with that, and then paved, so that I'm not here, I'm not sending Peggy and Chris and others and Zach emails once a month saying, how in the heck can a county road be gravel and dirt in an industrial area that carries 300 trucks a day.

Shouldn't be that way, should not be ignored.

And so, yes, it's more costly than a than a resurfaced road because you're not resurfacing a road.

You're you're taking out what's there and starting over again.

It's most probably about um I mean I measured it with my staff.

It's almost probably about 800 feet long, maybe a thousand feet long.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

The next speaker is Ms.

Martha Jackson.

Good evening.

Thank you very much.

And Peggy and the team, thank you for the report.

I really learned a lot, and thank you for that.

I am uh active in my community.

I'm first vice president of the CABNAACP, very active in my church, which is Green First Community Baptist Church.

And I mentioned that because Peggy mentioned the striping for the West Chapel area.

I just wanted to know you said very soon.

Is there projected time frames for these to happen?

The church, that's a major road to my community in terms of my community activities and where I attend church.

I was just wondering if you have any specific time frames for those areas.

Thank you.

Yes, ma'am, and we'll make sure we get all a written correspondence on all this.

Mr.

Chair, there are no other speakers.

Are there any final thoughts?

Yeah, yeah.

Have we decided when our next meeting is going to be?

Uh yeah, so again, we're trying to keep the two-month cadence.

Um so the next thing we need to just um poll our availability.

I guess that would be June, right?

Um so uh as for topic, again, um that's for us to determine.

Uh you know, we want to make sure that this was a fantastic presentation, again, very succinct um compared to the last one we were seeing.

So um, you know, we want to continue to deliver those type of presentations.

Data's not been decided.

We, you know, we we want to work with everybody.

It's a it's a rare occasion you can get nine people together like this, and the fact that we're doing it, we're doing it, y'all.

I want to get together and do happy hour one day.

Thank you everybody for coming.

Thank you, everybody, for coming.

Um meeting adjourned.

Mr.

Chairman, a motion to adjourn.

Second.

Second.

All in favor.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Meeting adjourned.