Good afternoon, everybody.

I'm Commissioner Robert Patrick, Chair of the Public Works and Infrastructure Committee, PWI.

My colleagues were here will confirm it is the greatest committee of all.

With that said, we have uh not a long agenda, but we've got some things that could be involving a lot of lengthy discussions.

So I do want us to get started.

Uh let's go ahead and begin with the minutes.

Commissioners agenda item 2026-0654.

This is for all commission districts, all commission districts.

Uh minutes of the March 26, 2026 Public Works and Infrastructure Committee.

If y'all are comfortable with them, I'll take a motion.

Move to it.

See, alright, ready to move to adjourn.

That's not a good sign.

We're not there yet.

We're good, but we're not that fast.

Uh we got a proper motion, proper second.

Thank you, Commissioners.

Uh, all those in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

Aye.

Okay.

Uh commissioners, we're gonna jump around quite a bit today, so we're going all the way over to page three under discussion.

Uh and I'd like to invite uh KB advisory group up to the podium.

Um you're welcome to come up to this podium here at the front so we can we can see you better, the better to see you with.

Um, but uh for those who uh were around, I guess uh 23, 24, District One allocated some funding towards looking into the feasibility uh of how to pay for bus rapid transit along uh I 285 as well as Buford Highway, and we also had discussions on how to pay for trails within the area, um, since uh that will also be a consideration uh as we look into how make how to make improvements within the district as well as the county uh for the needs of of our community as we grow.

Uh with that said, uh welcome to the podium.

If you would please introduce and and then we'll get started.

Sure.

Thank you, Commissioner.

Oh there we go.

Thank you, Commissioner Patrick.

Um pleasure to be with you, Commissioners.

Jeff Koskey, president and owner of KB Advisory Group.

Uh we are a local um real estate market analysis and economic development consulting firm.

Um and so we have been working on this um for quite a while now.

We've we've we did the work in 2025 and have had some continuing discussions with with Commissioner Patrick and others.

Um and so this is a summary presentation of a much larger document that that um collects um a lot of data, a lot of information, particularly about taxes.

So for those of you that are really interested in in the tax situation, this report is for you.

Um but the question really is about how could we use local tools to collect tax money to help pay for transit lines.

Today I'm gonna talk about a potential transit line, bus rapid transit on Beauford Highway.

Um and we'll we'll get right into it.

Um let's see, here we go.

Okay, so um a lot of words on this page, um, but basically what we're saying there, we're using this term of this idea of value capture, which is a um I would call it a uh a technical term.

Um but you can see that the question is really whether to use this buy you capture idea um to capture um resulting tax increases from economic activity, right?

So the idea is is that with new transit you would get new economic activity that wouldn't be there otherwise, and what tools are on the table in Georgia or uh could be on the table in the future, possibly to help fund at least the building of the transit and potentially the operations.

So just to say up front, uh Marta has been planning this line.

Their website seems to be a little out of date, but it does say they're at 30 percent um design uh planning um for a bus.

Well, actually, they're calling it arterial rapid transit on Beaufort Highway.

So it's it's not a dream.

They're working on it, but the funding of it I think is still a dream, and I think that's really where we this discussion comes in.

So the question is what what is on the table that the cab could do to kind of help move this along.

Um these local tools, as you can see down in the over in the of the left left hand, these local tools we say can be a help.

We don't think there's enough money on the table to to use this to totally build a transit line.

Um we haven't done cost our it's not our deal to do cost um uh estimates, but looking at other trans similar, maybe somewhat similar transit lines across the country over the past call it decade.

This is at least a half a billion dollar project, likely, if not a billion dollar project.

So that sort of sizes it up for you, the scale, somewhere you know, between 500 million and a billion dollars, probably.

Again, it's a it's not an education, it is an educated guess, but it is just a guess of what this could cost.

So again, you can see on this page on the screen where they're proposing.

This is a map made by MARTA again.

And again, they're really talking about ART.

There's actually currently frequently frequent bus service on Beauford Highway.

It's one of it, it is actually the most used bus line in the MARTA system.

So there is, and they've got um articulated buses which are um put it in a new category.

They're talking about doing ART arterial rapid transit, but the lines between ART and BRT are I would say blurring.

But nevertheless, the the stated um goal is for ART.

So that gets us to the next question is if ART was to be put in place, or even BRT for that matter, um, what would that mean to the uh increase in property values and other economic activity?

So again, if these if this transit line was built on Beauford Highway, our forecast here that we're talking about anticipates that there would be increased economic activity because there would be more people riding transit and more business would want to be near that transit because more people are there.

Businesses would likely want to locate in a better uh transit environment, and because of all of that, property values are likely to go up if that happens.

Um all of that to say that is what the nation has seen occur in similar situations.

So we're building off of that idea that values will in could increase with enhanced transit on the corridor based on what we've seen happen across the country.

On this slide, you can see that really um the ROI, the return on investment, and that's really what we're going for here.

This is kind of an economic question.

The return on investment is not as high for ART and BRT as it is for light rail and heavy transit, right?

The fact of putting rail on the ground enhances its economic opportunity.

The the rail, uh we know rail makes it more dependable, and the the um the private sector is more likely to show up to do development around rail projects as opposed to bus projects.

A lot of that depends on the build out.

Again, you can see there is a difference in ROI between ART and BRT.

So we've we've used um these qual call them multipliers as they relate to ART and BRT in our work.

But just to say that if there was I'll just say it, better transit, um rail served transit, that would enhance the opportunities to collect more money to capture more value, but obviously it costs more too.

So there's this kind of um give and take.

So right now, this question has been well, if they build what they are planning on building, what might that mean, right?

And so there's additional calculations that could say, well, if we built BR if we built built light rail there, we could do X, but there's no indication from MARTA that they're planning to build light rail there.

So as we get into this, it's important to point out that this is a very complicated situation in terms of trying to understand the potential tax money that is on the table to grow to capture and apply to paying for building the transit, right?

So it's it's about capturing the future growth, and technically it would be bonded off of, right?

The future growth, you would you would potentially float a bond off of that future growth income stream and use that to pay for the transit.

You know, there's a lot of details that would have to be hashed out how that would work.

But we're looking at future growth that could be leveraged to help pay for a transit line.

Um and when we calculate that growth, we're we're calculating growth at the tax base of all of these um governmental and quasi-governmental um jurisdictions.

All of these people collect taxes, or all of these entities on the on the board here collect taxes in some way.

And so that's what we're trying to capture, other than the state of Georgia's piece, because that's not in this discussion, this is local.

Um, we're trying to figure out how much growth would it mean for each of these if there was enhanced transit.

All right.

So this is a map of the line.

Again, this is this is a map we created based off of Marta data, and MARTA, what we know that MARTA is currently planning.

One reason to put this map up is just to show visually what what this slide is saying that there's a bunch of cities and two counties, but you know, most of it it is in the cab, in addition to CIDs, SSDs, and TADs as well.

So it gets complicated.

Um here's a map with those same geographies with CIDs, SSDs, and TADs layered on top.

So the idea is that there are a lot of tools out there.

None of them right out there on Beefford Highway right now.

All of these tools are currently sort of spoken for, if you will.

There are some TADs, for example, that are you know potentially impactful to this, but we think that this would need an additional TAD, likely, if you were gonna use TAD.

And if you use TAD, for example, then you've got to involve each and every city along the way, unless the TAD law was changed.

So that's another big question is the is TAD the right tool.

It could be a useful tool, but it does have its challenges, and maybe there's an opportunity to talk about enhancing the tool to use it specifically for transit here on Beefer Highway or maybe elsewhere.

And again, just so uh to point out the amount of data that we've collected, we've collected data on 56,000 parcels.

So there's fifty 56,000 parcels within a mile of the Bufer Highway line.

This is where we would see the growth, right?

And so this is this is the idea that this is the geography on these 56,000 parcels, which by the way are worth 19 billion dollars today for tax appraised value.

Um including the the private uh excuse me, the public pieces on along the highway, um, that those that have been appraised by the tax assessor add up to 19 billion dollars.

So what we did is we we looked at each of these five tools as as sort of our our list of potential um tools that could be used.

Again, the first four boxes exist.

We think they would probably need to be you know um evaluated for the for their current use as how it could be applied to the future use of funding transit, and that but but they're there.

Um collection is not something currently available in Georgia, but we've seen it work elsewhere around the country, and so um we have done that calculation as well.

It's important to remember too that often in these types of studies, you're dealing with new transit lines in sort of green field situations, if you will.

This one is difficult because you've already it's already a functioning place, and so it's not going from zero to something, it's already somewhere, and what is what amount can you kind of move up the chain, if you will, um to capture additional value.

So this is really the the one the one pager, if you will, about our analysis about the Beefford Highway piece is that um you know we think at its at its highest estimate, and again, there would there's a lot of nuances around these numbers as to could you do this all at once and collect a billion dollars over 20 years?

Probably not, and that's why we've done some scenarios.

But if we just layered it all in and said in the very best case scenario, if everything fell in your way, maybe this is a billion dollars on the table over 20 years.

So you it takes 20 years to collect a billion dollars, if you will.

Um and again, the the idea is is that it's probably shorter than that, it's probably less than that, because you probably can't use all these tools stacked up literally on top of each other.

But it gives you again a sense of scale, what might be available.

So again, if you think about it, if it's a if it's 20 years to collect a billion dollars and it's a 20 and it's a billion dollar project, you know, it would it would absolutely help pay for that, but it's probably not gonna be the only funding source.

You know, you're gonna layer that into other funding sources to get this built as an idea.

Um, and I would also say that that is not out of the ordinary.

I I don't think there's any BRT or ART or even LRT lines that have been built in the past 25 years in America that didn't have a layer cake of funding.

You know, it takes it takes all sources.

So your local source, if you want to think about it that way, there would be hopefully fed federal, federal sources would be a lot, state sources hopefully would come into play, maybe there's regional, and then your local piece could be again, you know, maybe maybe a billion dollars over 20 years that you could capture and put into the layer cake of funding transit.

Again, this local piece is not something that really the Atlanta region has has experience with.

Um I commend you, Mr.

Patrick, for for going out on a limb and saying, let's look at this as an idea, because without these numbers, you can't really get the conversation going.

And so again, it's not to say this is a tried and trude uh method in terms of stacking all these things on top of each other in Atlanta, um, but now we kind of know where you know where you could enter the conversation.

So again, you can see it here, and you can see the um the impact of each of these.

I mentioned TADS.

If you just kind of look at the numbers, you can see that TAD is likely the biggest bang for your buck.

That being said, well, I'll get to it.

Actually, I've got some slides.

Okay, so here's TADS.

Um TADs, if you add up this billion dollars over 20 years, that is our high estimate.

The the biggest chunk of it comes from TADS.

Now, the thing about it is that of that TAD, um, a lot of this is just kind of what we would call background growth.

Um because if you think about the amount of value that could be added because of a BRT line or an ART line, there's only as we saw in the one slide earlier, there's only so much bump that you're gonna get out of values for being on an ART line.

So there is a bump.

Um, and you can see that you know, 95% of it, however, comes from just increases in what's already there over time.

But nevertheless, you would be able to capture that if you had a TAD along the entire corridor.

Um, which again, you wouldn't really be able to do in a clean way.

Right now, an idea would be that the county could have a TAD.

Hopefully the schools would participate, and then potentially the each of the cities would want to participate.

I mean, that would be the way the tool would be used today.

Not none of that is guaranteed, but that's where I'm saying maybe there would need to be a tweak in the state law to say, well, we have a special purpose TAD that wants to fund transit, so we need to do TAD, it's the right tool, we just need to kind of change the way it's being used, is one idea.

That being said, TAD is a long-term project, right?

And that to capture the values that I'm talking about, it takes 20 years.

You can see down in the bottom left, only 9% of these values come in the first five years of that 20-year build out.

Only 29% come in the first 10 years, so it's backloaded.

That's why you would borrow against the the future growth, but there's not a lot of money right up front to to kind of cover that future growth.

So it would be a challenge, but I think it's something that could certainly be looked at.

Um TAD in Georgia, uh, we call it TAD everywhere else in the country calls it TIFF, tax increment financing.

Um other states have done this.

So it's so it's not a it's not an idea that's out of out of the question.

It's just a matter of how you do it.

But again, this is this is again an example of TAD and how we got to that number.

Again, $19 billion currently, and we said that in the next 20 years it could grow because if there was a new transit line to um over 30 billion, and that's the piece that's the increment that you could put back into it.

All right, so that's TAD.

Love to talk about TAD, can talk more, but yeah, happy to answer questions.

Jeff, if you would uh I noticed uh Commissioner Terry raised his hand.

Oh, sorry.

Just a really quick question.

I'm gonna add yeah, really quick question.

Um, just wanted to verify the the area that you um the 56,000 parcels, how many miles is it from the start to finish on Beford Highway?

That's a good question.

I don't have that number off the top of my head.

I know we've got that in the report.

Is it like basically I'm trying to remember from the last transit report?

Is it like basically a hundred million a mile?

In terms of building it, for BRT for MARTA?

Um again, we're not he's he's not here to talk about the cost component of it.

It's just how how we could provide financing.

Um although this was you know done through District One, I think really the the concept overall is is throughout the county, if there's any areas that we are interested in discussing, this uh the data that comes from from the report is something that we could easily layer into other communities within the county to say these are other ways to get that layers, those layers of funding to to be able to achieve transit.

But Commissioner Terry, I can I can absolutely follow up with how long it is.

Um I've got that number, I just don't have the top of my head.

Um I would say it's less than 10 miles, probably more like three to five.

Maybe I'll get back to you on that.

But yes, um again, similar transit lines are are coming out looking back at somewhere around that number.

Um so we talked about TAD.

Um again, that's probably the biggest bang for your buck.

However, there's a kind of caveat to that statement in terms of bang for your buck, because right now in the table that I had showed you before, we said, what if you what if you collected sales taxes just within the corridor, just within that one mile of the corridor, which would make sense, you know, logically says that this is where money's being spent because this transit line is here.

So you don't get the huge numbers, you can see over on the right.

If you apply the sales tax only to Beefford Highway, you get to fairly low numbers.

Um but if you were to apply an additional sales tax across the county, that obviously, you know, that's where that's where there's a lot of money to do that.

Um, you know, the question is, you know, what does that look like?

The the county pays transit taxes already.

So, you know, so we didn't we didn't anticipate an additional sales tax across the county.

But if you did, if that was on the on the on the table, you could see that now you really get into big money, and that is enough money, you start to get into money where you could be a leading funding source from the local side of things if you had additional sales taxes.

Now, again, would that be issue, you know, would that be a MARTA sales tax or the cab sales tax, all of those things are would be you know political in nature and have to be figured out.

But um just wanted to kind of make that distinction that the billion dollars I keep talking about is if you only did additional sales taxes on the corridor, if you did additional sales taxes across the county to pay for this line and or others, that puts a tremendous amount more money on the table and starts to kind of make things make sense in terms of really local local dollars making a difference.

Um, there is the combination of the two, the sales tax TIFF tax increment financing, or we might call it a sales tax tad.

So again, this would be captural sales taxes.

This is truly value capture where you put in the rail line, all the new sales that occurred are going to help fund that rail line.

Logically makes sense.

Currently impossible to do in Georgia.

So there's there's no such thing as sales tax TIFF in Georgia, sales tax tad, there's no such thing.

We've calculated it so we can know, but um, you know, other states have done this, it's difficult.

We've got uh particular challenges in Georgia saying this is this is going to be difficult, but you know, this is going to be difficult anyway.

Maybe it's you know worth pursuing as an idea to help pay for this sales tax TIF to help pay for to help pay for the um the transit line.

So the this comes back to the the um to the table summary table at the beginning.

I didn't go over SSDs and CIDs.

That is again additional millage.

So again, that's not really value capture, but we we put it in here anyway because it's just it is additional property taxes inside of a district that funneled back into the district.

So whereas a TAD you're capturing growth in property taxes, CIDs and SSDs are literally new taxes, new property taxes.

And so that could and and probably should be part of the conversation.

Um but again, given the current property values and where they may go, you know, they they would be a significant source to this capital stack, if you will.

Um, but it would still be much below TADS in terms of impact.

Um so that is really the long and the short of it.

Um again, you know, what the the takeaways are that you know, value capture as we have modeled it, um can support transit, but it's not gonna fund it alone.

Um but I think that would be normal, if you will, right?

Um that you're gonna to do a to do a transit line here, you're gonna need additional partners, transit operator, MARTA, likely, state help, hopefully, and certainly most transit gets done with you know the largest chunk of money is federal funds.

What does that look like in the future?

We're not sure, and that's why this conversation is important to know where you know what you could chip in.

And again, you know, you could think about this too as you know, there's a lot of if-thens, right?

You know, if we built better transit, that would change the numbers, but it would cost more.

Um, you know, what what would the sales tax be, for example?

We use we use the fairly conservative number to get to the sales tax numbers, but you know, you can turn the dial on that.

Um so that's where some of our scenarios come in, but you know, you could go even further.

Um, but nevertheless, um, you know, a col a uh a layer cake, as if you will, of of these um options could help to support it going forward.

Like I said, uh potentially a billion dollars over 20 years.

So that's that's the long and the short of it.

Again, there's there's much more to it.

Happy to you know sit and talk about it more uh as appropriate, but that's kind of the the big takeaway summaries of the of the work.

Right.

Happy to answer any questions.

Commissioner Terry, other questions?

Uh yeah, just a couple um questions and some observations.

Um, and thank you, Jeff.

Um, you know, KV does a lot of these analyses, so I have high confidence that your estimates and projections and the low and high estimates are really um on point.

And um, so I appreciate the work that y'all do.

Um, and it is good to have kind of that, you know, the rosy scenario, but then sort of the well, what if nothing big happens?

It sort of just kind of coast along.

Um so I think that's helpful to kind of just keep us sober on what's possible.

Um on the Beauford Highway ART BRT map that Mart has proposed.

Um were there a certain kind of assumptions you made at whatever various stops where there actually would be you know maybe a strip mall that got sort of turned with a parking deck and housing and commercial and mixed use.

Yes.

Uh short answer yes.

Um the the longer answer is that we didn't we didn't go wild with those assumptions because of what we know the impact of ART and BRT are, and that you know, when you put in a heavy rail line anywhere in the country, you see lots of development show up, you know, high rises, if you will.

When you put in LRT, you absolutely see a level of transit-oriented development that takes it from typically again light rail.

We haven't seen light rail much in in um Atlanta.

The one we have seen, we do have one light rail line, right?

The streetcar downtown is an example of you know heavy rail being put in place, not executed well at all, and not really seeing any sort of bump in new additional development that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

So that is where really ART and BRT, you start to get into, well, how much bump do you really get to, right?

And the data tells us that an ART or a BRT line is not going to drastically change the land use patterns on Beefer Highway.

You would see new and you would see taller, but you wouldn't see a drastic change in land use.

Okay.

Um and I know uh Commissioner Patrick and I and others from DeCab went out to San Diego, was that three years ago?

Yeah, maybe four years ago at this point.

Um was it the Otai Ranch?

Can't remember how they it was like basically a green field.

Yes.

And they come it was basically there was nothing there.

Um but that was an interesting example of a BRT line, uh, but it had it on its own dedicated like road.

Well the community was built around.

And the community was built around it, so anticipated for transit.

Yeah, so that was interesting.

That was an interesting example of like BRT and a greenfield, right?

Um, and then of course the BRT was able to go on its own bridge onto the interstate, and then I guess in California they let um uh they give buses like their own lanes, basically.

Um, which I guess we're kind of moving towards with our express lanes.

Um so it would be kind of interesting to see you know how the express lanes as they're being built out um could make that BRT much more attractive in terms of um getting around um certainly to Cab County.

Um I think the the biggest concern that I'm grappling with, and and I guess this Zach, this is why we're updating our transit plan again, is I I feel that we're still operating with a 20 20th century transit mindset.

Um I'm aware of um several cities and counties that have basically said that autonomous vehicles and autonomous shuttles are the future, and that you know, investing in sort of the old rail and even the kind of the bus lines from point A to point B very costly.

We're talking about a billion dollars or a hundred million a mile, whereas an A V shuttle system, even a 15-passenger A B shuttle, we're looking at close to like 20 million a mile.

And so I think it might be interesting um and Zach, this is more for the administration to kind of review, but it would be good to replicate this study for Clifton Corridor or Candler Road and Memorial Drive.

And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because if we know what the high and low estimates are, instead of trying to fit with what the mode is, let's just start with what we have.

Like what is the actual value capture available, and then find the mode that we can fund.

And I think what you're pointing out is that even with a very rosy scenario, um, a billion dollar bus rapid transit line becomes very hard to make the numbers work.

It's a high capex, and then the operational cost, of course, are a lot higher, you know, for those systems versus A V.

Um, or even you know, an A V slash trail network where it's electric bikes and you know, sort of that bike pet connection.

Um so you know, I applaud Commissioner Patrick for having y'all do the work and and I think this template, if we really talked about where we want to see transit expanded, let's replicate this in those other areas and then figure out how much money can we you know work with, and then we can go to Marta, or quite frankly, I mean, we don't have to use Marta.

Other cities and counties have kind of started their own um efforts.

Um so I think we're completely allowed to do that.

Um to make the financing and the mode match.

Right.

I I think it's a great conversation.

You know, I think standing up your own transit system would be a task in and of itself, but absolutely a possibility, no doubt.

I mean, other as you said, other counties do that.

Um I would I'm as an I would say don't give up on rail, honestly.

Um I have I have concerns that things like AV and even bikes are not always equitable, that that trains move the most people and the most types of people all at once.

And they're they're consistent and they show up, you know, um much more reliably than things on tires.

And you know, not everybody can ride a bike.

Um not everybody can afford to take their own AV, um, you know, and so I think you know, once you look at the costs of running running AV for everybody, you know, I I don't know that you get a lot better, you know.

You know, I would assume that um ART someday could could also be um autonomous.

But I think there's an there's a reason we call it mass transit.

You know, the I my my thing is there's no such thing as microtransit, microtransit's not transit.

Yeah, that's a great transit is mass transit, and that's why you invest in it as a as a government because it helps the most people you get the most bang for your buck out of it.

Yeah, and Mr.

Chair, that's a good point.

Just a quick follow-up, Jeff.

So I think you're exactly right.

Um, you know, I'm not gonna agree on the rail part because it's so expensive that it almost becomes uh impossible to do unless you have major federal and state funding.

Um so I think you know the the argument that I would have is that if we want something equitable, you know, do we have to take 30 years to build it or can we deploy something now?

Yeah, but I think the idea, the concept of like building out the infrastructure and having something that's A V, even at a micro level, you know, it provides the opportunity to scale up.

You know, and so that you know whether you start with a a May mobility van that can hold two people and has a wheelchair accessible port or a 15-passenger AV van, or like you said, eventually those buses might actually have sort of the full-fledged um A V treatment.

Um but you know, the the BRT, they want to launch right into and Beauford Highway makes sense for that high capacity, but I think sometimes they kind of want to just sort of start with the maximum capacity, and if it's not there, then you're not gonna get the fares to cover the operations.

And that seems to be the biggest point of contention in MARDA's balance sheet right now is that you have two million less riders in the system, the operations aren't being funded by the fairs.

Right.

And so, you know, if we just kind of keep like you know, have being very aspirational that yes, this bus will be completely filled, and if you build it, they will come.

But realizing just in this model that in order for that value capture to happen, you got to go vertical.

And how many years does it take to build five, six, ten transit-oriented developments?

I mean, I think Lula Hills is gonna take 10 years to completely build out.

And so even in that example, which is a 40-year TAD, um, so that's another maybe kind of other little scenario, Jeff, is to throw in a 40-year TAD calculation versus the 20 year just so we have those numbers, but just like the timing of which of when they can build out when the value actually is captured, right?

And then, you know, in play.

Right.

And and just back to your question, Commissioner Terry, that that's exactly the point of the the TAD being the long-term play, because our to your point, we did capture new transit-oriented development in our in our um model, but again, the value, the value is really the next 20 years, to your point, that if we ran this out the next 20 years, TAD becomes even more impactful, but you know, to think about it in 20-year tranches and and really the bond market isn't is really only interested in 30 years and less in these types of things.

So I mean, but but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

But anyway, the point is is that you're right that that if you're using a value capture tool, it takes a long time to build enough value to capture in order for it to pay the thing up front.

It doesn't mean it's not useful.

I mean, people use it all the time, but it is a consideration.

Yeah, yeah.

Commissioner Terry, great great points.

One thing to follow up with what you said, even if we were to build all of those transit-oriented developments along the area, you would still need time for market absorption, which means you have to have people that are there to attracting people to those areas to pay the rents to pay for everything else.

So it um over that time frame it gets more complicated, but to your point, very well, very accurate.

Uh thank you.

Uh Commissioner Johnson, any questions, any comments?

Just a couple comments, and I appreciate you, Commissioner Patrick, for doing the study.

Um, I think the point that you made that it's something that we can now take and think help replicate in the other area.

And how I kind of want to start pushing on that for myself and for my district.

So I think I'd like to probably ask offline to have a more in-depth conversation with you about the study.

And then is there a final document that we can get out of a report or something?

Yes, I sent one to uh Marcus.

Okay.

However, I realize it's still got drafts stamped on it, so I'll I'll resend that to Marcus so that it doesn't say draft so that we know it's final and you guys can have that.

As soon as Marcus gets back, we'll have him distribute the report.

Yeah.

And and Commissioner Terry, I did note 10 10 miles.

10 miles, yes.

But but yeah, uh happy to happy to engage um however you want.

But yeah, certainly the the full um the full study has a lot more, and you know, if you want to sit down and talk about it, always happy to do that.

Yeah, and again, Commissioner Patrick, I appreciate you bringing this forward because we can then take this and use this in other areas.

So appreciate you.

Absolutely, and again, that was the intention is is once we have the the framework that uh Jeff's team had put together, it's replicatable around the county or any other jurisdiction.

Um we won't charge in the Cab County, but if you're outside, we're gonna make our money back.

Um but that said, Um uh Jeff, thank you very much for your time.

Uh appreciate the work that you did on this.

Um it is it is sobering, and uh something to remember is is um mass transit is expensive, uh, but it is intended to be reliable and intended to be able to, as you said, grab the masses and bring them from point A to point B and back again.

So um thank you very much.

And uh we will talk again.

Thank you, appreciate it.

Thank you.

All right.

Um okay.

Uh next, if uh Maria Hauser is ready and her team uh we'll have you come for the CIP update.

And good to see you, Ms.

Hauser or Director Hauser.

As always.

Thank you, Commissioner Patrick.

Um, commissioners, um, as you know, we have had a lot of information sessions regarding um CIP 2026.

Um we first started with a recap of CIP 2024.

So CIP 2026 spans 2026, a 10-year period through 2035.

Um, we started with just highlighting some of the projects and the accomplishments as well as spend for CIP 2024.

We then shifted to talk about just the governance of the capital improvement program.

So part of that involved project definition, project selection, project prioritization.

And at our next session, we plan to conclude with um project execution and how we're delivering projects.

So that will be a topic for next time.

Um we looked at the strategies really for addressing some of the deficiencies we're seeing in our water and wastewater or sewer infrastructure.

We first started with our huge transmission mains, our drinking water um system that leaves the plant and kind of access the super highway for our drinking water system.

We then then took a look at our smaller diameter drinking water lines, which are within our communities and the deficiencies or the breaks that we're seeing and the strategies that we're utilizing in the next 10-year horizon to address those.

The team came up and spoke about the plants.

One, our sole drinking water um treatment plant, that's our only plant.

We highlighted a lot of the capital projects and needs that are immediate actually starting next year, and some of the other projects we plan to do with our drinking water facilities.

We looked at our wastewater facilities.

Now we are here to talk about our collection and transmission system.

So this is really a lot of projects surrounding our consent decree.

And I have with me um two individuals who are going to be talking.

We have our engineering manager, Aaliyah Johnson, who's going to be briefing us over the small, no, the trunk lines, and Brad Clickley, I think you're starting first.

Um, he is with our consent decree program management team, um, Jacobs Engineering, and he's gonna start us off with the small diameter as well as lift station, um, as well as our capacity assurance program.

Perfect.

Uh Commissioners, if we could uh hold questions until Brad's complete, and then we'll get Brad at the end of his presentation before moving on to Aliyah.

Brad, welcome.

Sure, yeah, I appreciate your time.

And uh I've been working with Aaliyah over the last almost 10 years on the consent decree program.

So it's it's been interesting and informative to see it build out to this point and and as it will continue to build out.

Um as Director Hauser mentioned, uh, you know, today we're gonna be talking about the wastewater collection system and transmission.

And so on the wastewater side, when we talk about transmission, we're talking about uh lift stations to further convey the flow ultimately to the treatment plans.

Uh we've broken this presentation up into the small diameter sewer and lift station projects, and then uh secondly, the consent decree trunk sewer projects, and Aliyah will uh discuss uh those trunk sewer projects uh in the second half.

So on the small diameter side, we'll highlight there's we've got about seven projects to highlight here in the presentation.

Some of them are what I would call ongoing projects, which means they're you know they're multi-year, they're they're gonna be continual projects.

Others are in various stages, either planning uh or they're uh actually under design and in some cases in construction.

So the first is our what I would call again our ongoing um one of the ongoing projects.

It's uh our small diameter sewer assessment and rehabilitation program.

Uh to date, we're about 80 percent uh eighty 80 percent of the collection system has been assessed.

Uh so we're still tracking through that remaining 20 percent on the assessment side.

And that's all part of the uh OSARP program, which is ongoing sewer assessment and rehabilitation program.

Uh so when we go out and we assess the system, we find defects, uh, we rank all the assets based on those defects uh for rehab, and those that rank highest, uh, you know, that moves on to the rehab phase.

So the the CIP has line items for the assessment as well as for the uh the rehabilitation.

And as far as the pictures on this slide, that the top three, those represent assessment activities.

The first is uh manhole inspection.

That middle one that's uh represents smoke testing.

So crews are going out, they're uh using smoke blowers to blow smoke through the lines, and where that comes out of the ground that indicates uh potential or that there's a defect in the sewer that would allow uh potentially rainwater and infiltration to get into the system.

Uh that third picture and on the top there is uh closed circuit uh TV inspections of the mains.

And in that case, this particular example, you see that the the flow is uh a lime green.

That's that's actually where we've put dye in the line so that we can figure out we know where the smoke is coming out of the ground, but we need to know where it's where that defect is that's you know uh emitting that.

So we'll put dye in the uh on the surface and uh use CCTV to identify that.

Brad, in fairness, I thought you were doing that to cover up any floaties.

So thank you for that one.

They did pick a fairly clean CCT.

Well, I was putting in the presentation.

No, that is there's no photo shopping going on there.

No photo shopping perfect.

All right.

So on the bottom, uh the bottom four pictures, that's that's all rehabilitation activities.

Uh that first one on the left, it's kind of hard to see in the background there, but there's a truck uh and we are uh putting in a CIPP liner, which is cured in place pipe liner in the line.

Uh the second picture uh from the left is uh bypass pumping.

So when we're doing that activity, often we have to remove all the flow from the line routed around it while we're inserting that liner in the in the asset.

So the third one shows you what the pipe looks like after we've uh installed that CIPP liner.

Uh so that effectively, you know, anywhere we've got breaks, cracks, holes in the pipe, that liner seals that up, prevents I and I from our infiltration inflow from getting into the system.

And then that last picture is uh an external point repair.

That's where we found a defect that's uh not conducive for us to be able to line it.

So we have to uh do a dig project where we dig it up and replace us a section of the pipe.

Uh next on the list is our capacity assurance program, and that's that's one of the programs that's required under the consent decree.

And as part of that program, any developments that want to connect to the sewer system, if it's in an area where there's inadequate capacity, the consent decree requires that the county use capacity credits to approve their connection.

And capacity credits are based on rehab that has been performed to remove that extraneous flow.

So anytime you do that rehab, you generate capacity credits.

So the county has a bank of those credits, and we use that bank for small developments that want to connect, you know, single family home wants to connect.

We'll use those credits to allow them to connect.

A part of that program is our large development capacity credit program, and I think there's two on the agenda today coming up.

That's where for large developments, we don't use the credits that are already in the bank.

We actually identify additional rehab and partner with those developments to complete additional rehab to generate their capacity credits.

So that's a way that the county has expanded their rehabilitation program beyond what they would do without that additional funding from private development.

So just in terms of scale, you know, in the last year and a quarter since 2025, 65 large developments have requested connection or capacity.

Of those, about 40% are in areas that are restricted in terms of capacity and require credits.

Next on the on the list is a uh a project that's part of our ongoing discussions with Gwinnett in terms of the intergovernmental agreement.

One of the options there is to reverse the flows that the county is currently sending to Gwinnett and instead route them over to the North Fork Peachtree Creek trunk sewer.

So this area is the it's the Lucky Shoals and Camp Creek sewer sheds.

Both those sewer sheds kind of are on either side of La Vista Road or Highway 29.

So it's up in that area, and we've got two projects to facilitate that reversal option.

One of them is we'll have to go into those sewer sheds and reconfigure the sewer, abandon some lift stations, add some new ones to reroute that flow over to the North Fork Peachtree Creek trunk sewer, and that bottom left picture, that line highlighted in blue, that's a portion of that North Fork Peace Street Creek trunk sewer that's that would need to be upsized in order to convey that flow.

The next project is again another one of the what I would call again the ongoing, one of the ongoing programs.

This is part of the septic to sewer program that the county has that's established by ordinance where homeowners that are on septic can petition the county to expand the sewer system in their area to allow them to convert over to the sewer system.

And this particular project, this is the Bend Creek Road project, it's in the northwest corner of the county, north of Mount Vernon Road, uh east of Shambley, Dunwoody Road, and that's where the county.

I think we're about 50% complete with that project.

Uh, and it's I think it's about four million dollars for that particular septic to sewer project.

So that's you know, that's one of those projects.

There'll be more, you know, they'll come up more in the next 10 years where communities are or homes want to convert over.

So we want to have a budget to allow us to integrate them into the sewer system.

We also have several lift station projects in the CIP update.

Uh perhaps the largest is our Honey Creek and Lithonia lift station upgrades.

That's in the uh the far east portion of the county in the Pole Bridge basin.

Um we've already completed a study of both those uh lift stations to determine uh the needs, and those include capacity upgrade as well as some refurbishment, some renovation of the stations themselves.

So we've kind of broken that up into some near-term projects and some long-term projects associated with those two lift stations.

In addition to those, we have four other lift stations that are on the that are in the CIP, two of which are also in pole bridge, and then two others are in Snapfinger.

Uh and these are scheduled for replacement.

They're at the end of their service life, they're over 30 years old, they have maintenance issues, so they're just they're prioritized for for addressing.

And in the case of the two that are in Pole Bridge, the county will be able to convert those over to gravity sewer.

So we'll abandon the lift stations and extend gravity sewer to facilitate conveying that flow to the pole bridge treatment facility.

Last on the small diameter side that I want to talk about is our small diameter capacity improvements.

We have one remaining project, but I want to highlight all the work that's been done leading up to that.

We you know, since 2019, we have completed 42 different capacity related projects, and that's uh shown on that map on the on the left there.

The it's kind of hard to see, but the the lines that are highlighted in red, those each represent where we've gone in and we've replaced that existing sewer with larger diameter sewer to increase capacity.

So again, 42 projects completed.

Uh by completing those projects, we've removed over 32 uh repeat overflow locations.

Uh so that's been extremely helpful to the environment in the community, and we want to continue doing that as well.

Uh those projects in total represent about 34 miles, which is a substantial length of sewer replaced.

We still do have one remaining project on the small diameter side for capacity improvement.

Uh it's the package seven component four project, but that may not mean anything to you.

But it's over there near Childerly Lane, uh just a little bit north uh east of Children's Hospital off of I-85, so in that area.

Uh it's a little under a mile, uh, and those are some pictures on the left, the map, the line in blue is what we're replacing, and that picture on the on the on the far right there, that's where the county is actually the contractor is actually having to hand dig a tunnel uh to construct uh about 300 feet of that new upsize sewer.

So with that, I'll hand it over to Aaliyah uh to go over the trunk sewer projects that are on the list.

Brad, before you go, just want to see if commissioners you have any questions for Brad's component.

Uh Commissioner Johnson.

I just had a quick question.

I and I may have dismissed it.

What was the time frame for the Gwynnette flow reversal project?

Well, that's that's an option that's under consideration.

Okay.

Wait, was that a loaded question?

I didn't realize that.

It sounded like they're still working on that.

Hey Director Wills.

Good afternoon.

Um to be determined and full transparency.

Um myself and the peer over at Gwinnett were um in discussions as we speak, um, just due to the sure complexity and amount of work that we got.

Um I've asked for um a three three-year extension beyond the um December 2026 date to really look at um some other options because it's a lot of money to pay for a small benefit of reversing um a few hundred thousand gallons of sewage.

So um asking for those three years to do some due diligence to see if there are some more beneficial um things that we could do for both uh counties involved.

Um so that's that's where we are.

Um hopefully in uh the very near future, we'll harden that in all be coming before you guys with just that a three-year extension from 2026 to 2029 to allow both counties to do some due diligence to see um what our future should really should look like, whether we'll continue to partner and or continue as we are, quite frankly.

Thank you.

I yield that was my only question.

I didn't realize it was gonna be so low, though.

All right, um a couple questions for you, Brad.

So you said that 80% of the systems has been assessed.

Is that um did we have a top to down to bottom approach for the county?

Did we do it in sort of strategic spots?

Or is it is that 20% all concentrated in one area, or is it sort of distributed throughout the county?

It's kind of distributed.

Uh the consent decree uh when it was uh filed, it established priority areas, which represents about a third of the county, and those priority areas were based on history of overflows, maintenance.

This is all back in 2011 that time frame.

So those had to be assessed first, uh and I believe that was completed in about 2018.

Uh so we've been moving through the other two-thirds of the system, and we're doing that based on uh looking at flow monitoring data, the the um what it's showing us in terms of uh infiltration and inflow that's coming into the the various areas, so that's kind of how we prioritized it, but it is that 20%'s kind of dispersed.

But it is that 20% is kind of dispersed.

Okay.

Um just for clarity, when it comes to the capacity credits, uh you said 1.4 million, is that 1.4 million gallons?

Is that what we would what it has generated, or what is the 1.4?

Essentially it does track back to gallons per day.

So what we do, so when the when a developer wants to connect, they propose uh through their engineer uh what what their peak discharge will be in gallons per day.

And so we have to have credits to match up with that to offset their flow uh in those in those situations.

So essentially it does come down to a gallons per day type.

Okay.

Um for the work that's being done off of Ben Creek Road.

Um there is an entire neighborhood, uh, I guess the woodsong area that is on septic existing.

Is there enough capacity for RM Clayton or with the new pipes that are being installed if if a neighborhood of about 200 units wanted to convert over?

Is that something is that up in this area?

It is.

Okay.

Uh yeah, so this so that sewer, I believe is correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that might be going to the Fulton, right?

Um with this RM Plague.

Um and I don't this is not a gotcha question, so if if you need time to come back.

Yeah, yeah.

If it's in North Fort Peace Street Creek and some of those areas, uh, there's a high likelihood that there is sufficient capacity.

Okay.

I believe in this area that there might that might also be the case as well.

But as with any of these, uh, you know, when we when we're looking at that separate to sewer conversion, we run the model to determine in addition to expanding the sewer up to their homes.

Do we also have to increase capacity of you know of the existing sewer?

Understood.

Understood, okay.

And I think I had one or two other questions.

Actually, I think that's it.

So thank you very much, Brad, for your time.

Aaliyah.

And Alia, I apologize, I forgot your title.

Uh, engineering manager.

Thank you very much.

And uh please get started.

Yeah.

Good afternoon, commissioners, and thank you for allowing me to be here today.

And I want to begin with showing some of the photos of the existing conditions of the trunk sewer project within the cap county.

As you can see, some of these are the area creek crossing as shown in the picture on the top left.

Some of the trunk sewer is located within the wetland or the floodplain areas.

Some have dual slopes, and some also um located on the unmaintained existing east men, as you can see that there are a lot of trees growing on top of the sewers and manhole located within the creek bank.

Trunk sewer project has been necklaced for years, and um right now it is the time that we need to um consider doing the upgrade and repair of these trunk sewers.

The trunk silver project represent the new type project.

So they are the larger pipes, they convey the higher float.

Like I mentioned earlier, there are some of them located near the creeks, front plant, and the wetland area.

The trunk sewer span throughout the whole um the CAP county, and under the consent decree, we have identified 10 total projects actually on the map to the right.

The goal of the trunk civil upgrade is to increase the system capacity by increasing the size.

When we do upgrade, we will increase the pipe diameter.

SOS we do the sanitary sewer overflowed.

Out of these 10 projects, they represent over 29 miles of the gravity silvers, and they range between eight inches in size up to about 72 inches near the snap finger plant.

Let's begin with the first um Transsible project up is kite, Shore Creek Trunk Sewers.

This is the critical part of the consent decree.

As you can see from the map to the left, show creeks expand 13 miles of the sewers, um, starting at the most downstream end at the snap finger plant, show in red in the map, and crossing two interstate I-20 and I-285.

Three highway crossing, Grandwood, Memorial Drive, and Fratchal Park weight.

This project, due to the size, we have broken down into different sections, section one, two, three A and three B.

Right now, the design has been completed by the um design consultant at Kit and Rialis.

And the project is um going to the construction phase, and it is expected to last three years for each section.

I want to show the graphic to the right.

This is an example of the improvement that we did during the design.

For example, the um the picture on the top right, the green represent the existing silver that crossing the creek in the area crossing.

The new design, we are lower that silver to be underneath the creek bed.

Bottom right, you can see that the existing silver in green is underneath the house.

We are moving that away from the house under the new designs.

And next, I want to show some of the challenges that we present during the construction and the design of the trunk sewer project with this fry-over video.

This project begins at the snapfinger wastewater treatment plant.

And because of the construction footprint, it presents the challenge of its own.

As you may know, that the trunk sewer typically located within on the private properties, which means we have to obtain the easement from the private property owners.

And some of the trunk sewer projects also located on the wetland and the front plane areas, which means we need to obtain the permit from the US Army Course of Engineers.

I-25 crossings, we have to obtain the permit from GDOT for this location.

Some of the creek crossing and also the trunk that is located within the 25 foot stream buffer, we need to obtain the permit from the EPD for the stream buffer variants for this location.

Another interstate crossing I-20.

And as you can see, also the trunk silver project, some area run into the park, which means a larger amount of trees will be removed, but they will be planting back outside the silver easement.

In addition to the 10 projects that have been identified under the consent decree, we also have the additional measures to capture the overflow.

These are identified as the early construction, so there are six locations, which is part of the Show Creek 3A and 3B.

The design is completed for this as part of the overall Show Creek project.

As you can see in the map, denoted in the stars on the right, we are currently under the east main and permitting phase for this.

In addition to the early construction, we also performing the additional rehab of about 21,000 feet.

SOS upgrade at the snapfinger plant to increase the pumping capacity.

This additional measures have the two years timeline, so some of them have already been started and the goal is to complete it by the end of next year.

This graphic explain how the early construction to capture the overflow works.

So basically, we are building the section of the new trunk sewers next to the existing sewers, and then we connect them with the diversion and the bypass light.

When the floor rise inside the existing manhole up to the certain elevation, the floor will overflow to the new manhole.

And the floor will be captured in that new manhole as well as within the new section of the trunk sewers.

So once the demand is decreased, this floor will be emptied and reversed back into the existing sewers.

The goal of doing this is to make sure that we prevent the SSO during the wet weather.

And I just want to point out that this new reconstruction trunk silver will remain in place when the project overall project is completed.

So basically it's like we are building portion of the trunk silver ahead of time.

The project schedules.

The table here shows the 10 year horizon of all the 10 trunk sewers projects as well as the additional measures.

All the design are completed for all the trunk projects, and we are in the permitting and easement phase.

As you can see, that most of this is about to go into construction.

Some of the projects need to be built in sequencing to prevent the hydrolic border next that the downstream end needs to be built first before the upstream and can be built.

And some of them can be built simultaneously.

And once all these projects are completed, we will address 15 priority fixes sites, and as well as the recurring SSO site.

The first project that is going to the construction is Choke Creek Section One.

So this is the first portion represent about 20,000 feet of the 72 inch, which is the large pipe next to Snaphink plant.

And it goes up to near intersection of Fred Shore Parkway and boring road.

We just had the NTP for the contractor back in March of this year that is awarded to John D.

Stephen for 51 million.

This project is scheduled to be three years completed in mid-2029.

And we also have the early completion bonus if the contractor can finish ahead of time.

Since the trunk sewer have will have the big impact to the community.

Each of these trunk server projects have its own project website, as well as the dedicated email address for each project where the public can send in the questions, inquiry, or look for more project information.

There is also the virtual meeting room, which is an interactive tool where the public can go in and navigate at their own pace as well.

There are two types of the public meetings.

During the design phase, we host the public information open house for all the transil projects.

During this process, the community come in, they can learn more and be aware about the projects.

But at that time, the design has not been finalized yet.

So we see the benefit of the public can also provide us some input, and we might be able to just incorporate some of that into consideration during the design.

And once everything is complete and the project is moving on to construction, we will host another community meeting.

This shows some of the example of what is on the website.

The transfer project website is on the DCAP County main web page.

The picture to the left is the virtual meeting room, which I'm gonna show the demo in the next slide.

The fly over video is also available on the website, as well as the 3D tour of the critical points.

And I want to end with the demo of the virtual meeting room.

This tool is available for each of the trunk projects.

So basically, the all the stakeholders can come in, click for each of these slides, it will expand and you can see more information.

You can look for the project approach, the design method, the construction, the restoration.

Each of these slides you can click on it and walk through the room just like as you are in the actual room.

The public outreach and the tools, um, the email address, project hotlight, the fact sheets and FAQ is also available on here.

Project schedules.

We also updated project schedule from time to time when there is a major update.

And the public health impact, environmental impact.

And that's it.

Wow.

Do you have any questions?

Just to say that was very impressive.

Thank you.

Um Commissioners, any questions for Leah?

Mr.

Johnson.

I did have a couple.

I think you've answered it.

So going under the two interstates, those are basically like micro tunnels.

Yeah, uh Jack and Ball.

Jack and board.

Yes.

Okay.

Have we started a permitting with Jita?

We started, yes.

Okay, good.

Because that's a lengthy one.

Yeah, we start the communication.

Typically, we try to contact the permitting agency ahead of time to let them know.

As you can see, some of the projects may not, the construction may not start until a lot later.

So wait, we are waiting to obtain the permit when it's getting close.

But we start the communication with the agencies.

And then on page 17, you showed the um example of the new the parallel transfer lines for the overflow.

But did I hear you say that when the flows receive that the flows would go back to the existing line?

Yes.

So is there pumps involved?

How are we getting it back?

There's no desktop, right?

The county crew will have telemetry in that section of new trunk servers so we know when it gets filled.

County crews will go out with the portable bipass.

Portable bypass.

Okay.

So each of those, I think in the range of about 50,000 gallons, each of those six um the upper ones are a little less than that.

But so with a portable bypass bump, they can pump those out fairly quickly after that.

Got it.

Thank you.

Are you open?

Okay.

Commissioner Terry, any questions?

Uh yes, thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Just a couple quick questions.

Um thank you for the presentation.

Uh very informative.

Um I think it was on the video on slide 15 about the uh tree replacements.

Yes.

Is that something?

So what's the what's the plan for the tree replacements?

So each of the project we have identified the trees that will be removed.

And some of those three, if we can plant it back, typically we will not plant back on the existing sewer.

So if the trees, each of the project have the tree reprinting planned.

And if we um the area is allowed to um be able to plant the tree back in the same area review, and if it depends on the location, if it on the private properties with the agreement between the CAP howdy and the private property owners, because sometimes they may not want the tree back, or they may want it in a different location, so it's a case by kids.

Okay, gotcha.

Okay, so if it was on private property, it depends if it on private property and if they want the tree back, but typically we will not plan anything on top of the existing sewer.

It may be that we agree with them, we will plan it next right next to it.

Okay, gotcha.

Um and uh Zach, this is something that when we passed the no net less no net loss of trees policy, uh, we actually exempted the watershed department at y'all's request.

Um I think at the time uh basically I think the the discussion was like we'll like we'll figure it out.

Um but you don't want a hardened fast policy.

So it sounds like in some cases there might be a tree replacement on private property, maybe if it's through a park.

Like or can you get give us just more information on how you'll um treat the different uh parcels and impacts?

Um I'm just curious just how y'all would treat that.

Um because it sounds like you will be doing some tree replacement, uh which is great.

I think that's a good good policy.

And and each different city have a different tree ordinance as well.

But when it's we didn't uh we didn't know different city, they have a different agreement as well.

Oh, certainly.

And but now this this truck, um this is all is a through is it indicator at all?

Yeah, most of this on section three.

Phase three is decatur.

Yes.

Okay, all right, but it looks like phase two and one are unincorporated to CAD.

Yes.

Okay, gotcha.

Um the um so the crossings are gonna so you're gonna basically follow Shoal Creek.

Pretty much.

So there probably won't be too much um traffic interruptions because you'll be mostly in the creek.

Well, it depends, like you say it's 13 mile.

So some of them might cross the Caldi Road, some of them might be G Dot Road.

Okay, cross E, but mostly under it's gonna be underneath, so they're whenever we cross the main road, we will do jack and ball that go underneath.

We will not do open cut on the G DOT road.

Okay, gotcha.

And are there any have y'all had any further discussions?

Um or actually let me ask you this.

Um, where does it cross the South River on that map?

I was trying to find the location on the map on my Google map.

Are you able to zoom in at all?

It's not crossing the south.

I believe we're at shoal one at the very upper end where it uh we've got some other projects.

Uh maybe if you get play.

Can you um animate that?

Okay, put that place.

Okay, so it looks like it's going to the east of Panthersville.

Right.

Yeah.

So right there we're um Boring Road, uh flat shoals, uh that area.

Okay, just south of Clifton Springs.

So the bear, I think the last two or three manual to manage segments of shoal section one, one of those it uh crosses the South River there.

Okay.

Is it going through Exchange Park?

Is that near the plan?

It's um it's between Candler and Columbia Drive.

It looks like it's right kind of in the middle there.

If you get back in the case, yeah, I think that's a good thing.

Okay, yeah, we can get you some.

Okay.

The reason why I ask is um as y'all you know work your way north.

Um, I think there's gonna be some good opportunities for us to explore um future trail connections along the sewer easements.

And so I'd be interested as y'all are kind of looking at that route.

If you see uh a park, um a school, a grocery store, um an activity center like um the gallery at South to Cat Mall, exchange place where Porter Sanford is, um it might be an opportunity um to consider a multi-use trail connection um you know, along that easement.

I know it has to be a separate process and another you know style of easement.

Um but um just wondering um and you know director Wells might have an opinion on this or Zach or Maria.

Um I know you don't want to slow anything down for the consent decree to worry about trails, but once this project is completed and everything's been sort of expanded.

Um will will there be a possibility to explore and even maybe even pilot out a trail connection along the that easement.

So or maybe let me ask you, are you open to it?

We're open to anything, we're forward things not anything, so most things so when it comes to trees or any prominent structure within the easement, the the neat that what necessitated us to remove the trees first off because it was in the easement and prohibitive for maintenance or so um with that being said, we would want to um not throw good money off the bad and then replant all to have to clear and remove again for which so we look for opportunities to um plant outside of the easement to um replenish um but at the same time that there's a delicate balance um trees are um very beneficial for a lot of things, just not to sewers, so it's it's it's a delicate balance.

Sure.

No, I appreciate that one.

I guess we're gonna be able to do that.

Likewise with with with trails, yeah, trails.

Um in my experience, um not only here and others, we do a great job of constructing.

That's the easy part.

It's the maintenance.

Maintenance typically falls on the um another apartment, um, parks or you mean like mowing the right-of-way, just maintaining those trails that you're that you're talking about, a path or because it won't necessarily always fall within the confines of an easement, and as long as the easement is clear of large trees or or any large impediment, we don't mind growth.

So it's it doesn't necessarily always lend itself to aesthetic pleasing to the neighborhood.

In addition to once you clear a lot of times it it actually attract individuals that like to um dump tires, is something that I hear a lot of discussion here.

So it's just a lot of things that we really want to be a lot of work for someone to run down a trail with a bunch of tires.

No, once you clear them they drive wrong.

Well, um, and I know this is like a longer conversation, but um it sounds like you're open to it.

Yeah, yeah.

And and and just to note the the countywide trail master plan envisions using the shoal creek trunk line as a major uh connection from Decatur down to the South River Trail.

So we have our parks department and the trail team has put out this vision, which obviously needs to be further vetted, um, but they did identify the Shoal Creek as probably the best opportunity and greatest cost savings just because the right-of-way acquisition is gonna be a lot harder on the roads versus maybe you know the creek system.

So the challenge that we will be advised.

Right from the law department, um the easements that we've acquired for the show, they're not for the past.

That's right.

So we will address that with Carrie's looking at me as part of the um explore exploratory aspect of it to make sure we get that.

Um the other as Director Wells mentioned, one of the um the way how we map up the the ONM and we could shift that we have in currently in the program documents, we have the level to which we allow growth before we cut again.

So sometimes it's a couple of feet of growth, and then we go through and we we cut.

This will be a unique situation for us to consider as well.

Because it will change that methodology as to how often it's got it.

Okay, great.

It's a possibility.

It's you know okay.

Thank you.

All right, uh, thank you, Commissioners.

Uh good questions, particularly on the trails.

Um seeing no other questions again, uh Director Hauser, thank you very much for the presentation.

Uh your staff is very knowledgeable and was able to explain this very clearly for us.

So thank you very much.

No problem.

We only have three sessions left, as I mentioned earlier.

We plan the next session.

Um because we're spending a lot of money, we're gonna get up to almost half a billion a year.

We're gonna talk about project execution and certain guide rails that we're gonna have in place.

We're also gonna address in the future session, the sixth session.

Um, we're gonna discuss um the complete financial plan, in other words, GIFA loans, Wi-Fi loans, other projections regarding um incorporating the 10 by 10 and other aspects to ensure that we're covering the CIP.

The final one, of course, we're bringing everything back together with an agenda item for board approval.

So thank you so much.

All right, thank you very much.

Uh Commissioners, I want to note that it is 450.

We don't have a lot of complicated things, so I think we can get through the rest of this uh or uh most of this.

Um so with that being said, we're gonna go back to page one uh under public work sanitation agenda item 2026-0510.

This is for all commission districts, cooperative agreement, plastic refuse and recycling containers with related technology solutions.

Source well contract number uh 120324 REH for use by public work sanitation to obtain various sizes of new garbage and recycling roll cars carts awarded to uh re-rig Pacific Company, amount not to exceed 654,271 dollars.

Director, good to see you.

Good to see you as well.

And uh please tell us about this item.

Well, this item is um I'm sorry, please for um forgive me.

Good afternoon.

Committee chair, committee, Eugene McKinney, sanitation division.

This is a very important item for us.

In fact, we've got some momentum growing on this right now.

Um previous vendor, we're working on relationships, but we're excited to enter this new relationship with Rarek Pacific.

Rare Pacific is a local company, right in Lawrenceville, then um around the country in several different locations, and all of those locations support each other.

So right now, we're you know, we're kind of waiting for this to get approved, have a better quality container, we'll replace less.

So we're excited about this new venture.

Nice, perfect.

Commissioners, any qu uh Commissioner Johnson?

I do have a question because um, as Director McKinney knows, I got a question from a constituent on the need of a roll cart.

So with adding this contract, will we increase our stock of roll carts and be able to replace them faster?

Yes.

So absolutely.

One of the things that we've done is is um course correcting inventory and the surplus is so important, right?

Um how we manage what goes in and comes out is is so important.

So again, being local, that turnaround will be um in great time for us, right?

Is uh we've already started making space for the upcoming inventory to make sure we have enough one to stock it at all times.

Nice.

Perfect.

Thank you.

I you commissioner Terry.

Uh yes, thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Just a couple of quick questions.

Um are we going to or we're still gonna put like the uh little stickers on the recycling bin lids about what's um sort of allowed to be recycled with the new um requirements?

So our assistant um director Eric Holston has been in communication with Redick all day with the anticipation of this being awarded, and that was one of the questions he asked them about the emboled and emboled sticker on the lid.

Um so that's an industry standard now instead of giving out paper all the time and flyers and things like that.

So the best point of your communication there before you put it in the lid in the container, you see the lid.

And the message is already in front of you.

Now will I everybody play by the rules?

I can't guarantee that.

Well, well, it was it was funny.

I did notice one of the sanitation workers take a picture of my recycling uh open the lid and took a picture of it.

Um I think I had everything appropriate in there, but you might have been checking all these account.

We need a copy that's uh I might have had a plastic bag in there too.

Um but they still took it.

Um but I it sounds like the the crews are just you know kind of monitoring compliance for recycling, uh which is great.

And then the only other question I had was the um the sort of the sizes.

So um the 1835, 65, and 95.

Is that gonna be the sizes for the for the uh landfill and for the recycling, or is there a different um yeah uh size for the recycling?

Yeah, so our our let's go to the 18 gallon.

18 gallon bins will support our sustainable schools programs.

Those 18 gallons would be the totes in the game.

Oh, okay, okay.

So the thought is they'll put it in the totes and then deliver it to a larger container where we provide the service.

The 35 is kind of it's for those um our customers, constituents who can't really physically handle the larger ones and they need some relief.

And then the most popular size is the 65 and 95, then it'll go along to marry and match the trash carts.

Okay, so the largest recycling bin is the 65.

No, largest recycling bin will be the 95 as well.

Oh really?

It's quite yes, yes.

I need to get me a larger recycling bin.

Yeah, you know.

I feel like recycling being up more than my trash bin.

And that's a great thought, right?

Because as our education improves and we put more of the accepted material in a container, you should have a larger recycling bin and a smaller trash bin.

Hey, there you go.

Ideal.

There you go.

Okay.

Um, so basically, um, as they come in.

Okay.

All right, very cool.

All right.

Well, I will uh place my order once this comes in, of course.

Once they come in, right?

Thank you.

Just to follow up with Commissioner Terry's question.

So for the 35 gallon recycling bins, uh, if you have the automated arm, is that still gonna be able to capture that and dump it?

It will.

Those just though they call feathering.

It's a mechanism that's built into the arm for feathering.

It'll come in just enough.

It's almost like it'll sense what size it is.

Okay.

Um, the key is picking it up the right way because on each of those carts, it's got a platform where it widens out.

Yep.

That's where that's a sweet spot for the arm.

Okay.

If we grab the wrong way, we do lose them.

But we have expert drivers, professional subject matter.

Absolutely.

Employees out there.

Okay.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Okay.

Director, thank you.

Commissioners, unless there's any other questions or comments.

Let's uh open up the floor for a motion.

Move to approve.

All right.

Proper motion, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right.

Moving on.

Uh, we're gonna go to the top of page two, and this is for um agenda item 2026-0579, commission districts three and super seven.

Change order number two to contract number two zero zero zero one six seven CNG fueling station maintenance and repairs for use by public works sanitation to obtain routine and on-call repair and maintenance services for CNG fueling stations located at Seminole Road Landfill and the Central Transfer Station.

Seeks seeking to increase the contract funds and term through November 30, 2026, awarded to Atlanta Gaslight Company, amount not to exceed 35,000.

Uh who do we have to speak to this item?

Yeah, so that's gonna be uh Mr.

McKinney.

Mr.

McKinney.

Okay.

On the uh CNG fueling station maintenance and repairs?

Yes.

So this is an existing contract we have for maintenance.

This is an add-on to continue that service.

We want to come back with a more comprehensive long term, so we don't have to keep coming back with small add-ons.

Okay.

All right.

Commissioners, any questions?

No?

All right, open the floor for a motion.

Move to approve item 0579.

Proper motion, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you again, director.

Appreciate you being.

Thank you all.

Yep.

Uh the next items are under watershed management.

Um I'm just gonna read the numbers out because these are all uh several million dollar contracts that are above three million dollars, and we need to get these approved by audit before um before they move forward, so in order to save some time for today.

So uh agenda item 2026-0604, uh 0606, uh 0613 and 0627.

Commissioners, if it's all right, we'll just hold these in committee until we get the audit report back.

Um and I think staff also wants to give us a bit of a explanation on these dollar amounts so that we are comfortable repeating reporting back to our residents what's going on with their money.

So moved.

Okay.

All right.

All those in favor, raise your hand say aye.

All right.

All right, perfect.

All right, we're gonna move on to uh agenda item 2026-0661.

Uh Commission Districts 4 and Super Six agreement for construction and financing sewer upgrades with Wesley Woods Senior Living Incorporated with contribution in the amount of 591,500.

Director Wells, good to see you.

Thank you, sir.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon.

So this item is um similar to the other uh cost sharing that we do with um developers, this one in particular, Wesley Woods.

Um for senior living, it's located at 2920 North Decatur Road.

The um the new facility will ultimately have uh 24 beds as well as 176 low-income housing units.

Um their contribution, what they'll be required is $591,000.

The county contribution will not exceed 185,000.

Nice.

All right.

Uh thank you, Director.

Commissioners, any questions?

No.

Okay.

Open the floor for a motion.

Move to approve item 0661.

Proper motion, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hands say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right.

Uh Director Wells, another one.

Yes, sir.

2026-0662.

Again, Commission Districts 2 and Super 6.

Agreement for the construction financing of sewer upgrades with related development, LLC with contribution of 922,500.

Yes, sir.

This one here is uh a little bit larger.

Um it's um the other location was actually on South Fork Peace Street Creek.

This one is on North Fork, um, specifically located at 2601 Briarcliffe Road.

Um, this particular development with um related development will include 381 residential units, a 5500 square foot, excuse me, 55,000 square foot commercial space and a hotel um with 140 rooms.

Um like uh Commissioner Patrick stated, their um contribution will be 922,000.

Allers will it will um be likewise will not exceed that amount, and um this is in the reason for the different in call sharing is a lot of this work is already contemplated um that we were doing and is necessary uh necessitated for all consent decree, which is why the uh contribution is a little more equitable than something that ordinarily wouldn't benefit the community as a whole.

Understood.

Alrighty, okay.

Um thank you, Director.

Commissioners, any questions?

No, nope.

All right, open the floor for a motion.

Motion to approve.

Second.

All right, got proper motion, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hand say aye.

Aye, perfect.

Uh public works, thank you, Director.

Appreciate your time.

Uh public works roads and drainage and the development of the excuse me, the Department of Recreation Parks and Cultural Affairs.

This item is agenda item 2026-0617 for all commission districts.

Change order number three to contract number 1309232, and uh 1309234, uh 13093, excuse me, 9236 and 1309239.

Storm drainage infrastructure system construction for public work stormwater project, uh, three-year multi-year contract for use by public works, roads and drainage, and the Department of Parks and Rec to obtain storm drainage system construction services seeking to increase the contract term through December 31st, 2027, awarded to Kemi Construction Incorporated, ANS Paving Incorporated, Site Engineering Incorporated Incorporated, and GS Construction.

Good afternoon, Commissioner.

Good afternoon, Director Allen.

How are you today?

Okay, this is just a standard contract, uh, no additional funds requested.

We just want to have a time extension to actually align our um contract time period with our chief of loan drawdown schedule.

So we want everything to be in compliance.

That's it.

That's it.

Okay.

Commissioners, any questions?

Nope.

Open the floor for a motion.

Motion to approve.

Second.

All right.

All those in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you, Director.

Good to see you again.

Uh public works transportation.

We have agenda item 2026-0588.

This is for all commission districts.

Renewal of master agreement with PATH Foundation Incorporated.

And uh, we have uh Director Keater coming down.

Hello, Commissioners.

So this is a I'm sorry, I'm tangled up in my mask.

Um, this is um the master agreement with the PATH Foundation that just gives us a different avenues, another avenue to fulfill our master trails plan.

Um pretty much the same one we've signed for the last 25 years, so um it's a good gig.

Yep.

Commissioners, any questions?

Um, just a quick one.

Um so um this is just basically just giving us the it says professional expertise and guidance during the five-year extension.

Um and then projects will be competitively bid.

Okay.

So the idea here is really they're just sort of advisors, and when there actually is a trail project, there still has to be a bid.

So Pat Foundation also does construct trails, so right.

It gives us some options.

So when they they can be professional, well they they will be bid, but the um bid for construction, but if they have funding in the construction, um they will trying to it just gives us flexibility.

So um I guess they could build it under this if we wanted them to.

Okay.

Um but it's basically the same agreement that we had the past 25 years.

25 years is basically the same thing.

Yes.

Okay, all right, that's fine.

Thank you.

Okay.

It uh also allows us to accept money from them, you know, so they can be more involved and gotcha.

Not just giving and if we have any um if we do, you know, our department doesn't have any money, so any money that we if we hired them, if we hired them to do uh any work for us, they would have to come back to the board.

So you'd see it.

Understood.

Okay, Commissioner Johnson.

Uh Commissioner Terry, you're good.

Uh Zach, can we get transportation departments money?

Yeah, please.

Okay.

Okay, we're on that.

All right.

Thank you, Commissioner.

That in the minutes, please.

I think that I think that was on the video.

It was on the video.

Those witnesses.

Commissioner Johnson.

Just wanted to point out that this was the item that was mistakenly under public hearing um earlier today, so it didn't need to be under public hearing.

And I know the cover agenda item sheet still says has says public hearing, but that was a mistake.

All right.

Commissioner Solicit, anything else, open the floor for a motion.

Move to approve.

Second.

Proper motion, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay.

Commissioners, it is after five o'clock.

Um I do want to acknowledge Commissioner Terry has uh uh two items.

Uh 0744 resolution adjusting the Cab County tire tipping fees to a dollar.

And uh I guess a follow-up discussion on 2025 1787 resolution to enhance environmental equity and sanitation practices in the Cab County.

And we also had committee goals uh to discuss, and we'll if it's all right, continue that on to our next meeting.

Um and if we can maybe get these handled first depending on the size of the next agenda.

Um unless there's anything else to add, I would say we technically have finished the rest of the agenda and open the floor for a motion to adjourn.

Are you gonna hold these for later then?

If that's okay, if that if that works, yeah.

Um I I uh there's another uh activity going on tonight that some of us have been invited to, so I just want to get reviewed.

It's the debates for the governor.

Uh order Sanford starts at six.

Yes.

Move to adjourn.

Move to adjourn.

Perfect.

Got a proper motion, second, proper second.

All those in favor, raise your hand, say aye.

All right.

All right, everyone, appreciate your time.

Thank you.