It is Wednesday, July the 8th.

If the clerk could please call the roll.

Councilmember Angela Whitfield Callaway.

I am present.

Councilmember Scott Benson.

Scott Benson, I.

Councilmember Renata Miller.

Madam Chair, you have a corn present.

Thank you so much, Madam Clerk.

I do have a scripture that I'd like to.

I'm sorry, a word of motivation that we have been provided.

It's called Every Member Commitment Devotional.

Thank you, Peter.

Again.

It is our cup runneth over, O God, because of your tender mercies.

We thank you for your everlasting love that enfolds us and for the peace of Christ that surrounds us.

Amen.

Thank you so much.

Is there a motion for the approval of the minutes?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

I'm going to take this opportunity to um, I usually don't.

I think this is my first time having some remarks.

Um I do want to ask that we take a moment of um silence for the young man.

He's five years old who was shot in the upper arm yesterday, um, right around Fargo and Oakfield at the Fargo Park.

I was with the family this morning.

It is in District 2, um, and I was able to see that he's he survived.

Um, and um we're going to um keep the HARP H A R P family in our prayers.

So if you could please bow your heads and just um keep that young man in your prayers.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And I do have um a statement that I like to read um under the section of um our agenda, which is called Chair Remarks.

I want to thank the community members who contacted my office regarding horrific incident that occurred last night at Fargo Oakfield Park in District 2.

I have been communicating with law enforcement and with the family of the five-year-old, five-year-old boy.

I share our mayor's sentiments and thank God that this young child is expected to recover from his injuries.

My thoughts are with this family as this child heals from his unnecessary traumatic experience.

I am deeply disturbed by what happened and remain committed to advocating for responsible gun ownership, and I'll further say responsible gun use, including the safe and secure storage of firearms.

I have been clear and consistent in my stance on gun violence.

Careless and reckless handling of a firearm puts lives at risk, and an innocent child was placed directly in harm's way.

Bullets do not have a name on them, and guns have consequences.

What we teach our children and the environments in which they are raised is important.

As parents, educators, mentors, caregivers, and community leaders, we must instill respect for human life and make it clear that firearms are not toys, and violence is never the answer.

I will continue working with our community partners and the administration to prevent these senseless acts of gun violence.

Our neighborhood parks are places for children and families to enjoy themselves.

They are not shooting ranges.

Every child deserves to feel safe in their own community.

And that is my chair remarks for this morning.

Thank you.

Yes, Member Benson.

Thank you for that.

And that's just a terrible situation.

I've got a seven-year-old, six-year-old at home.

I can't imagine a bullet going through his body and what kind of trauma that will cause to him and his body.

Having been shot at the age of five.

And this also goes back to the park patrol, which I advocated for and my colleagues supported the need to not allow chaos within our communities or our parks.

It's terrible, terrible situation.

And thank you for that, madam chair.

Thank you, Member Benson.

And I do remember you inquiring about that.

We do need security at our parks.

Um, we need police presence at our parks, but then when you have police presence there, I don't know if it makes people uncomfortable.

It would make me feel very safe and comfortable, but that's a conversation we need to continue to have because what happened yesterday is unacceptable and just um ridiculous.

So that being said, um public comment is now closed.

Public comment is now closed.

And if there's anyone here in the committee of the whole, if you'd like to make public comment, if you could raise your hand.

Seeing no one here in the committee of the whole who would like to make public comment.

Ms.

JC, how many callers do we have on the line?

Good morning, madam chair.

We have 11 hands raised for virtual public comment.

Each person will have a minute and a half.

A minute and a half.

Thank you.

And the first caller is the first caller is number ending in one six nine.

Caller ending in one six nine.

You have a minute and a half.

Hello, can you guys hear me?

We can hear you.

Great.

Black people, brown people.

You want to introduce yourself?

Do you want to introduce yourself for the record, sir?

Um, my name is Jay.

Thank you, Jay.

You can proceed.

You welcome.

Yes.

Black people, brown people, pink people, white people, yellow people, etc.

Thank you for praying for Brother Cunningham.

And don't just thank him, bank him.

Everyone must read the Willie Lynch letter in this 1712 speech outlining psychological control techniques for enslaved populations through scholars widely recognized it as modern fabrication.

It explores themes of breaking the female to influence offspring in creating division among enslaved people to ensure long-term control.

Thank you for listening.

Yes, you hear me.

Thank you, and thank you for my time.

Thank you, Jay.

The next caller is the next caller is Betty A.

Varner.

Miss Verner, you have a minute and a half.

Good morning to all within the sound of my voice.

I'm Betty A.

Barner, president of DeSoda Ellsworth Black Association.

My heart and prayers go out to the heart uh family.

I'm wishing a speedy recovery uh to the baby.

That's really sad, sad, sad.

Um, still in need of volunteers for our uh Rise Detroit event that's gonna be uh Saturday, August 1st from 11 to 3.

Set up time is uh 10 a.m.

It's gonna be at 6451 Ellsworth.

Again, 6451 Ellsworth at the park we have created in our community.

Uh we're still in need of a barber.

Um so we need volunteers, people to help us set up and break down.

We're offering space for people who want to sell uh items legal, anything legal.

We're often space uh asking for a donation of $25 uh to help us with our expansion of our park um for space.

We're asking everybody to bring their own um table and chairs.

It's gonna be a fan family fun event.

Everything that we are doing is free.

We're giving away school surprise, hygiene products, food, offering resources, and all type of fun and family games.

Thank you for that.

The next caller is thank you, Miss Varner.

The next caller is Cunningham.

You have a minute and a half, Mr.

Cunningham.

Good morning.

444, 914, 313, 444, 9114.

313, 44.

Now one more four.

That number was made so you can remember it.

Proverbs 1816.

Proverbs, the book of wisdom.

A man's gifts make room for him and bringeth him before great men.

Please note on the bus ride-alongs, we give out free F R E free bus tickets and paper low income housing lists.

If you want a low-income housing list, mail to you, call this number.

855.

7432.

Again, that's 855.

646.

7432.

That is the Michigan Housing and Development Authority.

They will mail that list to you.

Please pray for us as we pray for you.

Real talk.

And I'm not telling any councilperson anything new.

They have all done a bus ride along with me, and we give out low-income housing resources and bus tickets on board.

I really had a great time mingling with the people on the coaches with these council persons.

Make sure you pray for our council.

All those that are in authority, please pray.

If you'd like to do a run along through a three, four ball.

Thank you, Mr.

Cunningham.

And the next caller is the next caller is Dr.

Denise Darnell.

Dr.

Darnell, you have a minute and a half.

Good morning.

Can I be heard?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Thank you, member um Callaway, for all that you're doing.

And I too will pray for the five-year-old and pray for peace in our community.

I'm on the August 4th ballot in Wayne County Precinct 203 for delegate to the county convention and would appreciate consideration and vote for those in this precinct.

I am running for precinct delegate because I believe everybody can do something, especially in light of what just happened.

I was talking to a friend last night, and it's agreed that we have to do everything in our power to fight against number 47's regime and their desire to rewind history back to the days of Jim Crow and push play.

Even if you're not active and running for office, we can all talk to young people that we know in our circle of influence, especially those that are 18 and older, and make sure they're registered to vote.

This is the least we can do.

And because I'm an advocate for young people, I am a member of 482 Ford, advocating for public education and proposal S, which will uh simply replace the tax previously levied by DPS, now that their legacy debt's been paid.

The millage won't cost Detroit homeowners anything.

It will allow Detroit schools, uh community district to continue investing in art, music, and education and improve the education for our students.

Thank you, and God bless each of you.

Thank you, Darnell.

The next caller is the next caller is Joyce E.

Jennings.

If you can move Miss Jennings to the end of the queue, we'll um circle back to her later.

The next caller is.

The next caller is Owner Papa.

Miss Owner Popper, you have a minute and a half.

Good morning.

And through the chair, Mabby Heard.

Yes, you can be heard.

I live in a city that had more than 11,000 rape kits that had not been tested.

And um I I'm not sure if you think that this community is being treated as if they're human.

We have dirty dirt uh holes all over the city.

You don't think young people see that?

Don't vote yourselves in another millage.

Say no to every millage that they bring to you that will cause you more millages.

They have people moving into this city that are paying a fraction of what you pay in millages.

So, no, don't.

And where is the low-income housing?

I think they've swept swapped it out for uh AMI, which does not um help the community.

Uh, and I'm not sure your shot spotter didn't stop anything either.

And I'm hearing two different uh renditions of this shooting of this young man, and my heart goes out to the family and to that young man.

The the Bettis said he was in front of his house.

He was on his bike in front of his house being supervised by his father.

I'm not sure how it moved to the park.

Um, Mr.

Benson has never found an issue that he couldn't or didn't want to exploit.

Um we are being exploited, we're being mistreated, and 8.4 will show you just how the police department operates.

Um, good morning, and thank you for that.

If I've said anything that conflicts with what the chief said, he has firsthand information.

The park is located across the street from all the homes.

As a matter of fact, the park sits in the center of that community.

The next caller is the next caller is Tahira Ahmad.

Mr.

Mahd, you have a minute and a half, and good morning.

Good morning, council member Callaway and Minson and Ronalda Miller.

Uh, I want to thank you very much for your hard work, you all.

I know sometimes uh uh you feel like no good deed goes unpunished.

People criticize you and never really even understand what you're going through and what you have to weigh, but I want to just let you know uh uh from the community from me anyway, that we understand that this is a difficult job, and we may not always agree, but we do thank you for your uh due due diligence.

Uh I have a proverb, an African proverb.

The young cannot teach tradition to the old.

We need to maybe have our people, our activists come out and read in the park to the children.

We've got to be more visible so that children won't feel like they can pull a gun out of anywhere and shoot up in the air or whatever happened.

Where was Shot Spider?

We're spending millions of dollars.

And I I was disappointed when you um uh brought that back, you know, gave them some more money.

You know, we all know that that's all about uh uh trying to take money now.

Shot spotter has not been uh effective at all, even in the beginning when you when you dealt with it.

I think we should also have um uh the understanding that when we were enslaved, our names, our language, our culture was forbidden, and we had uh thank you, Mr.

Moth.

The next caller is the next caller is Black Bag.

Black bag, you have a minute and a half.

Okay, so I'm gonna start this off with saying emboldenment of the cheated in public officials here in the city of Detroit is MF and amazing.

I don't understand how it is that it can be articulated, demonstrated, proven beyond any shadow of any reasonable doubt.

And people don't understand that the Detroit City Clerk, chairperson of the Detroit Election Commission has been cheating in Detroit elections for untold years, more than the four or five that can be proven and demonstrated beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This irrefutable ironclad, concrete steel tooth, bear trap proof.

Janice Grumpy in the Detroit Department of Elections has been using absentee valid fraud, and now the very first case I've ever heard of international absentee ballot fraud to elect the mayor, the city council, the board of police commissioners, and the school board.

The MF and school board, the city of Detroit is corrupt and corrupted.

The next caller is the next caller is William M.

Davis.

Good morning, Mr.

Davis.

You have a minute and a half.

Yes.

Okay, I like to start off with saying my heart goes out to any child that's harmed or hurt in this in our city.

I have a four-year-old daughter, granddaughter that just had a birthday this past Sunday.

Now I think we need to be doing more to take care of our our children, our grandchildren, and every child in the city of Detroit.

Also, I think that we need to do a better job of making sure our dollars circulate in the city of Detroit.

We should not be subsidizing our suburban friends that act like they're way with children trying to steal everything from their parents.

I think our crime is still too high, even though it's dropping, but it's still higher than some states.

We also should be looking at the fact that, like I say, when you look at 8.10, you know, police on fire.

You know, it would be great to see something on the agenda about some changes that y'all are advocating and supporting that could benefit general fund retirees who are more black or more females or more brown than uh police and fire.

I don't think anything should be taken from the police and fire.

I think we should eliminate this uh separate and unequal between the two pension boards.

I think a great deal more can and should be done to help CHR retirees who took a major cut and see a cut every month in that pension check.

Y'all have a great day.

Thank you, Mr.

Thank you, Mr.

Davis.

I'm going to call the 1015 interview to order, and then I'm going to recess it to the call of the chair.

Our next caller is the next caller is number ending in 534.

Caller ending in 534.

You have a minute and a half.

Good morning, may I be heard?

Yes, ma'am.

You could be heard.

Okay.

I said earlier as inclusionary planning matters.

Um, I have a question I keep asking, and for some reason I don't get an answer to it.

It would be nice.

Member Miller is my representative if you could make sure I get an answer and uh ask these questions at the interview.

Why do some people in the city get housing upgrades in the targeted solar areas and the rest of us property owners do not?

There was not a community benefits ordinance process or community benefits agreement for the solar project.

So and you have a duty to ensure equality of opportunity under the charter.

And so uh why do some people get housing upgrades and some people don't?

Also, regarding the interview for the city planning commission, um what experience exactly?

What did Mr.

Gary Ringer do with Elevate?

And also um, I want to know uh what he thinks about data centers since the City Planning Commission would be working on the zoning for the data centers.

I'd also like to know if he is willing to uh ask the administration to go back and do more meaningful, inclusive community engagement in neighborhoods with the neighbors who live there.

They're the biggest stakeholders in the master plan update process because what we've gotten so far has been very unequal.

We've got a selected unelected group of a massive 41 or so people, master planning.

Our next caller is the next caller is Mr.

Foster.

Mr.

Foster, you have a minute and a half.

Oh, good morning through the chair.

So just wanted to speak very briefly on firearms, just firearms in particular.

We have to first identify why our community feel the need to have these firearms in the community.

More importantly, in the more recent shootings, they've had estendos, ARs, and different things like that.

All of those are military grade weapons.

Now, why do our community feel the need to have military grade weapons in an urban environment is an important question?

Um handguns generally have a range of 50 meters of effective range.

Long rifles have a effective range of 3600 meters, right?

And so we have to do a better job and removing them and changing the phobias that exist within our community, um, addressing the fears that are that exist in our community, uh and people won't have access to them.

Any child is shot, it is a problem.

Like I said before, it's a long road to recovery, right?

It takes more than police, it takes more than city council.

The people that live in these communities have to care about the communities in which they live in.

You know, they have to care about their children.

They have to present new values and new principles within these communities.

And I think that's where the education factors come in.

It just don't make sense.

We have officers that just shot themselves accidentally a couple weeks ago.

So it's not just community, it's about overall understanding guns.

Thank you, Mr.

Foster.

The next caller.

The final caller um is Joyce E.

Jennings.

Jennings, you have a minute and a half.

Good morning.

Are you able to hear me this time?

We we can hear you.

Thank you.

Grand rising to everyone.

Um Proverbs 29 and 2 says, when the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice, but when the wicked are bare through, the people mourn.

Um it is my prayer that anyone that is running for office, serving in office, that you consider that we have a responsibility unto God to do what is righteous concerning God's people.

We have children being shot when we have invested millions of dollars in technology that should be able to identify who is doing what throughout our communities.

We have millages being recommended and passed to address different opportunities that often do not benefit directly the citizens of Detroit when we have retirees that have been robbed of their pensions when we have City of Detroit employees that work in critical jobs that are not retiring because they are losing insurance or other benefits if they retire.

And most importantly, we have citizens of Detroit like Mr.

Cunningham, Brother Cunningham, who need to be offered opportunities to work in departments like D D dot.

I have sent an email recommendation for consideration of Brother Michael Cunningham to serve with D dot.

It's my hope that you will receive review it and consider him for higher.

That's why we want to see the thank you, Miss Jennings.

Um that completes our public comment.

We will now call our 1015 interview to to order.

If Mr.

Ringer, I see that you're here, if you could please move to the center chair.

Once you take your seat, Mr.

Ringer, there is a microphone there, uh button at the base of it.

If you press that button, it's gonna turn green.

And um, you can introduce yourself.

Good morning.

My name is Gary Ringer.

Welcome.

Thank you.

And um, if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and your interest in this um appointment to the city planning commission, sir.

Absolutely.

Um retire firefighter, 23 years with the Detroit Fire Department.

Before becoming a firefighter, I used to build homes in the suburbs of Metro Detroit, which gave me a great opportunity to contrast vibrant and volatile in that time.

Uh I've held numerous positions within uh various community-based organizations.

I've also uh been uh in fellowships uh at a national level, one in particular with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation for my work in communities due to the trauma and stress that is caused from living in dilapidated communities.

And through that work, I was able to uh garner a position with Joyce Southfield Community Development Corporation, and for four years added to the health uh equity of uh residents from a housing repair program that we called Healthy Homes RX.

I'm sure we've all heard of RX Kids.

Our program was similar to that to where we came in and we did a comprehensive whole home approach to looking at what was going on in those homes, not just a one-off coming in and repairing leaks and plumbing.

We were actually looking at everything from the Ruta to the Tuda, from your roof to your basement, mold, uh lead, asbestos, anything that could imp inhibit your quality of life was addressed within our comprehensive form.

That since went on to uh just last year.

Uh I'm a member of the citywide home repair task force.

We've did uh over 62 million dollars in home repairs throughout the city of Detroit.

Thank you.

Um, do my colleagues have any questions for Mr.

Ringer?

We do have your resume.

Thank you very much.

Each of us have it.

Are there any questions for Mr.

Ringer?

And I know that uh Mr.

Todd, Marcel Todd is um will be joining us virtually if needed.

Discussion of discussion.

Member Benson.

All right, thank you.

And uh Mr.

Ringer, thank you for being here today and raising your hand to serve the residents of Detroit.

And just for transparency, Mr.

Ringer is also a uh co-chair with the Green Task Force on our organic um waste um subcommittee.

And so he's been on the forefront of discussing um how we do organic waste, how we do composting within the city of Detroit.

And we want to appreciate him and his efforts there as well.

He's been on a he's been on one of our um green task force site visits as well, as has my colleague the chair um in the past to bring back best practices for the city of Detroit.

So my question for you, Mr.

Ringer is what do you want to see your what do you see your role being as a city of Detroit Planning Commissioner?

Uh first of all, um maintaining uh the mandates of the charter uh for the planning commission.

Um, but more importantly, um just giving the opportunity to add uh a different perspective as someone who has uh lived, worked, and essentially served through it in the community for 23 years, not just from the hours of nine to five, but from a 24-7 perspective.

Uh I I think there are a number of things that I can offer from the aspect of enhanced quality of life within our communities.

Uh our commercial thoroughfares essentially don't look how they should look.

So I definitely think that that could add to uh somebody's enlightenment.

When you drive home, you see things that look nice, you see things that are taken care of, you see things that are in order.

I think it helps to add a better quality within your your life to know that you're going somewhere where your resources are right within your your 10 minute walk.

All right, Mr.

Ringer, you're speaking my language.

I heard order over chaos.

I'm about that all day long.

Quality of life improvements for our residents.

And I see that we have uh we've been joined by our director of the CPC.

And so for me, the CPC staff, you as a planning commissioner, the large, the vast majority of the work that you all do are going to be zoning, um, either rezoning, downzoning, upzonings.

And so I advocate, strong advocate for down zoning from heavy industrial to light industrial or more higher intensity commercial, where appropriate.

We're going to have to have some heavy industrial within the city of Detroit, but we don't need what we have, just not that city anymore, and I just don't think commerce works the same way.

And so we have a number of down zonings that we work on.

I hope that you will be amenable to that.

And if not, then just take a look at what it means.

And when you talk about order over chaos, and we hear this all the time about some of our legacy heavy industrial that are causing problems within communities when you have now a built-up residential base, and we now know how dangerous or deleterious the impact to our communities can be heavy industrial that directly abuts uh heavy uh residential.

And so hopefully you can see that, and I know that we have our director here as well.

You also do some site plan work, light site plan work, and I know that we just had a site plan approval for the parking lot of this building, and I really do want to thank the CPC members as well as our director and CPC staff for making that happen because it means we're going to be able to charge our vehicles.

So it also means that the KMAC will be coming into the 21st century when it comes to the ability to charge vehicles.

And so you all can have a huge impact on how we do business at KMAC, how the quality of life happens within our neighborhoods, and I like what I'm hearing regards to order over chaos, and you just heard the chair describe what happened in her district when you had chaos over order.

And so that's not what we want.

It doesn't help the quality of life for our residents, and you all as a planning commissioner, planning commission can play a pivotal role there as well.

And so when we talk about the tools that we have, shot spotter to help improve the quality of life of our residents, planning commissioners, help improve the quality of life of our residents, order over chaos.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Benson.

Member Miller, good morning, everyone, through the chair.

How are you, Mr.

Ringer?

Phenomenal.

How about yourself?

That's great.

I am doing I'm doing well.

Um I have a question.

I'm gonna give you three topics.

Can you tell me what order of importance they are to you?

Historic preservation, development, and zoning.

I I would I would have to say um It's not a trick question.

It's definitely not, but I I think zoning from my perspective, uh, once again, uh being on the job 23 years, um, when I first became a firefighter, I thought blight was just something that was in my community.

But then when I had the opportunity to be a firefighter and go throughout all Detroit communities, I saw blight throughout those communities.

And typically um demolition is a barometer of economic activity, but and uh that's in other communities in Detroit has simply been tear it down, get rid of it, right?

So from a zoning perspective.

I do have a follow-up, I just want you to tell me one, two, three.

Oh, two, three.

Zoning.

That's number one, two, three, and in order.

Zoning, uh development.

What was the first one?

It's to work preservation.

Historic preservation.

Zoning development, historic preservation.

Yeah.

Okay.

So how would you balance the need for new housing development with the preservation of Detroit's historic neighborhoods and the existing R1 residential character?

That maintains our single family dwellings.

That's where our one is.

How would you balance new housing development, which we're in need of new housing?

Yeah, um, with the historic preservation, because in district five alone, we have four nationally recognized historical districts in our country, not to mention four to five additional um local and state um registered um historical districts.

So, how would you balance the need for new housing with a development with uh new housing development with the preservation of Detroit's historical neighborhoods and the existing R1 character?

Because R1 exists throughout the city, it maintains our neighborhoods.

And as we come through zoning, we see some stuff changed to R23, we have stuff is changed that he's talking about down zoning.

So, how would you uh balance those?

Because I am a I am a city planning buff.

Before this position, I was there regularly, just because of zoning itself.

I just wonder how would you if if you're voting on something, yes.

You have to make a decision, neighborhood development, the business, traffic, how would you weigh?

Oh, yeah, it's only one question that I have, so you got to worry about it.

Yeah, I I think it's gonna be on a case-by-case basis.

Um, as a former builder, uh, I appreciate various designs.

I appreciate historic preservation.

I appreciate all of those factors, but then I also do respect residents and understand that residents have pushback from either side, you know, wanting something to look aesthetically appealing to what's there, but then from the perspective of building and building science, which is something that I've been into for the last past four almost five years.

Architecturally, we can't do the same thing architecturally and economically, we can't do the same things how we used to.

It's too expensive.

So I think a lot of times we dumb down the process by not being explicit in our answers to to explain certain things, because uh the hidden cost burden within building how we used to is gonna cost you more money, not only from the building process of it, but when you're not incorporating different energy efficient technologies that are currently here when you're not adding in um off-site building practices that can come in and you can essentially stack buildings together like Legos and make sure that they're architecturally sound and and safe for residents, but then at the same time, also does not add to the carbon footprint.

Thank you.

Um thank you, Member Miller.

Um, I have a question for you, Mr.

Ringer.

I don't know if this is city planning, and maybe Mr.

Um Todd, you can chime in.

So I read an article, I think it was in the um the Wall Street Journal journal this morning was regarding the conversion of um schools into affordable housing, how they seem to be able to do it around the country, and they said easy.

Um it's easy to convert.

We seem to uh I think we've gotten two of our school houses or buildings converted.

I know Hick and Botham is in the process um of being um wrapped up that um development over there, and hope my colleagues were um um uh meet me over there real soon.

And then I think there was one on the east side, a school that was converted, if I'm not mistaken.

I think there's been maybe two, but now we're about to have six schools to go offline, they're closed.

Um, Ann Arbor Trail, um John E.

Clark, um, J.E.

Clark, um, I think um Greenfield Union, um Thurgood Marshall, and I think two others.

Um, and it's it's it's really unfortunate.

Catherine Blackwell, um, that's a well-known school.

Those are all offline, effective July the first.

I was over um visiting that child today and his family, the one who was shot um in the upper arm, and I drove past Coffee Middle School, and that was one of the most beautiful schools.

Um Bay Window, huge bay window, all brick is being um stripped.

Um the second floor is now open.

Um the lower the first floor has been boarded up, and um it was a beautiful, beautiful structure, and all of our schools are very, very um unique in design.

Um the masonry work, brickwork, um, the wood, the marble being stripped.

Um, how do we rethink what we're doing with our schools?

Because they're closing rapidly.

Um we have half the stock, and um, I know we built some to replace some, but once DPS closes those schools, they're stripped and they become an eye sore, they become a um a safety problem.

They become a haven for um criminal activity.

And I I'd like to uh have you maybe take a look at and I want to hear from you, Mr.

Um Todd, regarding the conversion of these school houses slash buildings into affordable housing.

What do you think about that?

And is that a city planning um issue?

I would think it is.

Um most schools are in communities.

Um I actually was just thinking about this uh yesterday.

Um six mile and telegraph area, there's a beautiful school right in the heart of a community that's been vacant for years.

You know the name of it?

Off Lenore.

I can't remember the name of it.

Off Tyreman as a school.

It's in the heart of a neighborhood.

Acres of land still has a solid foundation standing.

I had the opportunity to walk through cooley just before.

Don't say that word.

That's my alma mater.

And the way it's been stripped and vandalized, and meaning just you're gonna see some horns pop up in a minute, because that was the most beautiful skill skill school built in the 1920s.

Yeah, marble, yeah, wood, yeah, the the hand work, the workmanship, it cannot be ever duplicated, ever.

Yeah.

We had an auditorium that looked like the Fox Theater, stripped, burned, burnt, burned down to the ground.

Yes, man.

And it when you say that, it just it just makes my blood bubble.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because it is just unthinkable.

I don't know the destruction in people's minds that would make you go in there and set the auditorium on fire.

But anyway, go ahead, Mr.

Ringer.

When you say Cooley High School, I just I just become infuriated.

Even even through the litany of fires, uh one one or two of which I've been at, uh, when they were bidding out for uh the demolition work, there were contractors from across the state that were in there walking around in awe of the can within the still current condition of that building.

Uh I recently had the opportunity to um there was a school conversion off of the lodge.

Um that's currently uh a workspace.

I can't remember what they call that.

Not Durfee.

Not Durfee.

Uh off the lodge.

Yeah, uh Invest Detroit.

I think they led the renovation of the place, but it's it's currently a work hub place.

Uh they they a couple years ago they turned it into some uh vans was a part of uh of the exhibit.

Okay.

Okay, okay it's it's gorgeous.

It's gorgeous.

Okay, that's what he's just saying.

I apologize for not remembering the name.

Uh member Benson, do you know the name of the school?

I forget.

Okay, but we'll find it.

And then they they once again, most of these schools have acres of land attached to it.

There's new construction that's going on right behind the space in conjunction with the 20 plus million dollar redevelopment of the school that is uh I mean it just makes you feel good to be inside of it, to go to it, to under to want to inquire what's going on in there and to see development going on that doesn't match the architecture of the community, but from the aspect of adding housing to our communities, it's something that's viable.

So I think I think what you're what you're referring to is something that's necessary.

We can't just keep tearing down all these buildings and we need housing, we need different places for people to be.

Um of our my uh business consultant, he lives in the one that's on the east side.

And he said, Yeah, there are problems, you know, there's certain things, but when you figure you're adding you're adding uh elevators in the spaces that didn't have elevators, you're you're doing a lot of things to make it amenable for people to live in.

It's absolutely gorgeous when you're inside of it to have the higher ceilings as compared to the eight standard eight-foot ceilings in your residential home.

It just opens up your eyes to more of what could be as compared to what is not.

Thank you, Mr.

Ringer.

Um, Mr.

Marcel Todd, you you're listening to the conversation.

Anything you want to add to the discussion?

Certainly.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good morning to you and members of this committee.

Very briefly.

Uh this is definitely uh work that we are supportive of and encouraging of.

We began to look at this issue with school closures uh back from the 90s through the early 2000s and working together with the historic designation advisory board and the city council at the time uh in 2011-2012 did adopt the first adaptive reuse ordinance in order to see to it that such work uh would be done uh leading to that which you have spoken of uh at Higginbotham uh and elsewhere around the city.

So we are most definitely supportive.

Certainly, uh I think as you all know, Dr.

Chapman herself lives in one of those converted schools, the Leland Schools converted one of the earliest, if not the first of those conversions there in um uh in Lafayette Park.

So we are most supportive of that, and we want to see more of it because certainly it is important to be able to maintain the integrity of our neighborhoods as these institutions uh form the community along with uh the other components of the community.

And uh wherein uh we can save the edifice and then add appropriately with uh with uh consistent uh use types, residential being a primary one, we can definitely do it.

And should do it, I'm sorry.

Yep, and I agree with you, and that's a series of conversation we need to have today because those schools um are offline, and when you allow a school to just fall into such disrepair, and then you're forced to demolish it, most times at the city's expense, hoping that we'll get reimbursed by the district.

Um, I can only speak of now my high school is gone, my middle school is gone, my elementary is barely hanging on.

Uh my middle school was Cadillac Middle School on the corner of Coil and Schoolcraft.

Now there's just uh um um dirt.

There's nothing there.

And so you know the kids are playing in the dirt.

No they didn't let they didn't leave any green space, they didn't leave a park, they left a hole in the center of that community, and it's just dirt.

Just dirt, no grass, no playground, not even one bench, just dirt.

School craft at coil.

Just go over there and take a look at it.

So um it's just it's just disheartening, but I'm hoping that um there's a new day here in the city and that we will not allow our school houses and buildings just to fall in such disrepair where they're forced to be demolished.

Um, but I thank you.

I don't have any other questions for you, Mr.

Todd.

Thank you for chiming in, Mr.

Ringer.

I don't have any questions, not unless my colleagues do.

Hearing no other questions and no further discussion, is there a motion on line item um six?

There's a motion to uh move um line item six, which is the appointment of Mr.

Gary Ringer to um formal with the recommendation for approval pending the um appropriate resolutions.

We know that'll be ready on Tuesday.

Is that correct, Mr.

King?

That is correct, madam chair.

Good morning, Edward King LPD.

Thank you, Mr.

King.

So we know that resolution will be attached for Tuesday.

Do you have anything else you um is there a motion pinning the resolution without the formal recommendation to approve?

Hearing no objections, that action will be taken, Mr.

Ringer.

Is there anything else you want to leave us with?

No, ma'am.

Okay, thank you so much for being here with us this morning.

Your willingness to serve.

Okay.

That action will be taken.

Thank you so much.

We are at line item um 7.1 under unfinished business, status of council member Denzel McCampbell's submitting a memorandum relative to rules for committee community advisory councils.

This was brought back at the direction of LPD.

Um I'll defer to LPD.

Motion, yes.

Yes, uh good morning, Phil Kelly.

LB discussion, a motion for discussion.

Thank you, Member Benson.

Mr.

Keller.

Yes, to the chair.

Well, we're recommending that this uh this item be sent to the president's office for referral to the rules committee so that the the details can be worked out and input can be provided by the CACs before it comes back to council for adoption.

Okay, is there a motion for discussion or a motion?

Discussion motion for discussion.

Member Benson?

Through yourself to LPD.

This process is this laid out in the ordinance.

Uh through the chair to member Benson, the you are you referring to the process for for the rules establishing the rules.

There's really um nothing in the in the charter or the ordinance regarding rules specifically for the CACs.

Our thought was that um we we do this draft, um, refer it to the rules committee where we can receive input from the CAC members, and then city council will adopt a uniform set of rules that will apply to all the CACs.

This is my concern.

We are now doing work that is not identified or authorized in any document.

Would it be prudent to update the CAC ordinance, which I believe we have, which was required upon establishment of CACs, to then include that city council will be the drafting body or the originating body for the rules versus doing this and then it not really being authorized by law anywhere, or just allow the CACs themselves to take charge to take charge internally and incorporate their rules per CAC.

It could be different from District 7 CAC to a district 5 CAC.

My concern is that we're doing some work, but it's not been authorized in the ordinance, and we don't have, if I'm not mistaken, the authority to do that.

If I'm a CAC member, I'm going to push back and say, why are you all doing this City Council?

It's not the ordinance for your role.

This is our role.

But then I would push back to them.

It's not in the charter either, or the uh ordinance that you all have the ability.

So shouldn't there be something in writing saying who has the authority to implement rules?

Through the chair, I think that's reasonable.

Uh we could certainly draft some ordinance language to reflect uh this procedure.

So in and this is not Councilman Vincent saying we have to do this.

This is has been generated by my colleague.

I would confer with them and their staff to see how they want to move this forward.

But for me, doing this work, but not having the authority identified anywhere is is concerning for me.

I'd rather have the authority delegated as per the ordinance that we have the author the charge or the CACs have the charge prior to you all coming back to us on the rules committee saying we need to get this done.

Let's make sure that we have all of our I's dotted and T's crossed prior to moving uh this ball forward, is my suggestion.

Um member Miller, thank you, Member Benson.

Member Miller.

As being one of the districts that only have a CAC because there's only three.

I was quite clear on what the direction was.

The charter does state exactly what they do.

I'm not understanding why we're even stagnating on this here uh with asking someone, it clearly states they are the liaison between the city council and the community.

It clearly states the roles that they play within the community and how they should be the persons that are elected, because they're already elected, so the the job title is already set.

The workings of it is already set.

How are you running for something and you don't know what it is?

How are we sitting here even saying that we don't know what it is either?

It does not look right or sound right to me.

So when we get to the next item, I am clearly just saying we're talking about money with elected officials.

It should be clear and cut.

So I I'm begged to differ with the the stall because people are operating in capacities right now, some of them which are illegal, in my opinion.

Um, I think we should just refer to the charter.

Here's the rules, it's the explanatory and I don't know why we're we've they don't make the rules just like I didn't say well as a city council person, because you know there's a lot of things I would love to do with a city council person.

I would love to to to do things, say things, but because I can't, because it affects the city, I am under a controlled environment.

How do we have them in part take on anything?

I mean, if it's the beginning, this is not a new thing.

They had a charter uh before they had a I had a CAC when I was uh a resident and part in of an association.

We had a CAC.

I met with them.

I know what they were doing.

This is a new cycle, a new election cycle, so here we are.

So I don't understand why we're don't know what CAC do when they ran for the position.

Member Benson.

So I I'm I don't want to confuse the issue here.

So what's before us right now are the rules for the CAC.

The rules are not called out in the charter or in the ordinance that was authorized by this body that established the CACs once the charter was implemented.

Right now, the CACs, actually, our colleague is asking for rules.

LPD has written draft rules that could provide a foot blueprint for how they operate.

Right now, those aren't anywhere.

But the charter also doesn't say that we are the body that creates those rules, nor does the ordinance.

So my concern is that we are looking to do work that's not authorized anywhere for anybody to do.

There needs to be an authorizing document somewhere that says City Council, this is your job to write these rules, or it should say CAC, this is your job to write these rules because it's not called out anywhere.

That needs to be done prior to us taking on this role.

The fact that our colleague has indicated that they would like to help with the CAC, which he also has one, but right now I think we're getting ahead of ourselves.

We're a bit over our skis because we don't have authorization anywhere that says who should be doing this.

What I would like to do is make sure that we dot our I's and cross our T's that we have that in writing somewhere.

I believe it should be in the ordinance.

If the city council wants to have that authority, then we can write it in for ourselves.

If we want to give that authority to the CACs, then that can also be placed there.

But right now, no one has that authority, and it needs to be identified somewhere prior to doing this.

This to me is just what we do as a body with a legislative body.

We should ensure that we are doing things properly as well.

And sometimes it takes time.

Unfortunately, it does.

These have been around for the 10 years now.

Well, at least in the charter.

I believe it's been 10 years since these have been in the longer than that.

Yeah, well, we're confused on that one as well.

Well, they've been in the charter for a number of years, and now we're finally asking the questions.

And this is going to continue.

This is things are written in butter, not stone.

We can change things, but I just want to make sure this is not saying slow down or stall.

This is about doing things properly.

I just want to make sure that that's clear.

And then I'm seeing shaking of heads from LPD.

I mean, what what are your thoughts on this?

Um, discussion.

Um, Mr.

Keller from LPD.

Is through the uh and then member um Miller.

To member Benson, I think uh I think that it it makes a lot of sense to um make sure we have the process, whether it be allowing the CACs to develop their own rules or have city council write the rules, it should probably be established by ordinance so that there's actually um uh uh justifying uh document and uh you know a path uh forward uh if if the rules are gonna be changed or altered in the future.

Um I I have a question before um is there anyone who's over the um I don't have one in my district.

We tried to get one and we didn't get enough signatures.

So um, and I'm I'm sure they're gonna try again.

Um, and that's district two.

Um, so I'm I'm not understanding how they operate if they don't have any rules.

So are they just haphazardly doing their own thing?

Each district is different, there's no uniformity.

What's the guide?

That's that's that's a question for me.

But is there anybody from but this is a is this a um a creation of the city, the administration, um the charter.

If it is the charter, then I would think that there would be some rules in place already.

So this is this is all new to me.

We don't have one in our community, but we want one.

And um I would think just common sense would tell me that there needs to be a uniform set of rules um governing or guiding um the community advisory councils.

So I'm kind of um surprised that there aren't a set of rules guiding the advisory council.

So they're they're doing what they want to do over here, perhaps they're doing what they want to do over here, and then here comes more community advisory councils just making up rules as they go along to govern themselves and to govern the body.

So I would think that we would want rules.

If there aren't any, how are they operating?

If they're operating at all.

Um member Miller, when I look at the charter, it says the CAC may communicate residents' concerns about city services to the district city council member.

One, two, advise on housing, economic development, public safety, code enforcement, blight, and other neighborhood issues.

Two, help navigate residents, city government.

Three, meet annually with the mayor and city council to discuss district priorities.

Four, and promote understanding of the city's charter and the city's master's plan.

They should be coming to us with information on the developments that's in the area, how the red cents feel about it.

This deals with the zoning, this deals with um even adaptive reuse.

These are the things that they're supposed to be doing.

It clearly states, and it's on the city's website.

I met with my city, I met with my CAC and said, this is what the city website says you're supposed to be doing.

I met with them, said this is what the charter says you should be doing.

We've not met, and I've not gotten any of this in five months.

So what is the resident saying?

We have a project right here called but so I want to know how do they feel?

You're the first line of command.

And this is what it says.

So can you tell me what how did residents feel?

Because we're going door to door getting this information ourselves.

But it says it's an advisory only, then only to advise.

It does not have a legislative or executive power, but it can require the district city council members to consult with it on issues that are related to exclusively that of that district as provided in the ordinance.

It clearly states what it is.

It tells how it was formed.

So I'm not understanding.

This is the communication tool.

That's that is something like being the um uh what did he just say?

Uh the Mr.

Ringer said he was uh when you're like a precinct delegate in a sense, but it's the community advisory, people that's in their community, they're really active, and they're running in their community, they've they've gotten votes for them for their neighbors.

So I'm not understanding what the confusion, if you're not doing anything outside of this right here, that's why on the next uh 7.2.

How do you get a grant and be the fair disciples of it?

I'm asking, is it legal?

Because I don't want any parts of it if it's illegal.

I can't be a part of that, and really they may not literally know.

They may not know that they cannot go out and get a grant.

I I I myself asked during budget.

Could I get some money for my CAC in the budget or for all active active CACs?

The answer was no.

I have utilized some of my budget to do some things for them upon request, like buy things to make them more visible, business cars if they want it.

I bought tablescloths, some of my budget, because I want my CAC to be active and have a relationship.

I'm not understanding why anything else is being done outside of what I just read that states in the charter.

Those are the rules right there.

I mean, what do you put it say?

You you uh cannot do this, you cannot do that.

This is like sub explanatory.

Discussion.

But I do hear a member Mr.

Saying he wants to see it.

I guess it needs to be in alphabetical order or need to be in numerical order, it needs to be like, but if you're just a communication tool and you're just advising only, you should be meeting with your council person regularly, saying the community concerns, and help so we can be better stewards over our district and over our residents.

That is what I hope to have with minds.

And so when I went when I'm sending people to this meeting because I have to appoint people, and when the people go there that I'm trying to appoint, they're uh they talking about grants.

I'm like, really?

I don't know if we can we should be doing that.

So this is why I only asked the question, and either they can or they cannot.

I don't think they can, but I'm not a lawyer.

You are, so I'm coming to you for guidance.

I'm not sure about member McCampbell's, he probably do want the rules, but I think when I read it, it makes sense to me.

Um discussion.

So it's just where I stand on it.

Um I have a question and in further discussion.

Where are the there where are these three community advisory councils located?

I know five, seven, and four.

Four.

Okay.

Five, seven, five, four, five, and seven.

Okay.

And uh member Benson, and then back to Member Miller, member Benson.

There have been a set of rules drafted.

It talks about creation of a compensation advisory council, elected members, appointment, appointed members, conflicts of interest, dismissal proceedings, powers, duties, and responsibilities.

All those are not called out in the charter nor in the ordinance.

This is just a basic day-to-day running.

That's nowhere, which is why I'm gonna guess our colleague wants these rules.

So here's a here's an ex scenario.

The mayor's office delivers rules of how Detroit City Council should operate.

I, for one, will say no, you do not have the authority to do that for our body.

If the same thing can be said by CAC, City Council says, Here are the rules by which you are to operate.

From a CAC member, no, we write our own rules.

There's no ordinance that dictates how that works.

There needs to be an ordinance somewhere, and this is our job that says either city council dictates your rules or the CACs dictate their own rules and how to operate.

So I'm not saying anything about what they do, what their rules and responsibilities are, I'm saying how they operate in-house internally day to day, which I have no control over, but at but there needs to be an authorizing document somewhere that says either the CAC does this or the city council does this, and that's what we don't have.

That's my concern.

It's not about the CACs.

We don't have one in the third district, and we tried many times to get it, and be done successful, but we don't have rules.

My colleagues identified that.

We need to get it done, but there also needs to be an authorizing legislation that says who's responsible for this, because right now it doesn't say it's our job, and it doesn't say it's their job.

This is just dotting I's and crossing the T's.

And this is all part of being a legislator.

We learn things as we go along that some things are missing.

Let's fill that gap.

This is an opportunity to fill the gap, and it takes time, unfortunately.

But uh this is also an opportunity for member Miller.

You can say, hey, I want to make sure that this happens.

I will work with member McCann member McCampbell to get these written or get the authorizing document done on the city council side to get it done.

This is an opportunity.

Um this is to me, this is this is um this is what we do as a body.

Um, this is good conversation.

As I indicated earlier, we want uh a community advisory council in district two.

We didn't get it done, but I think we're gonna try it again, and it is advisory only.

It says here community advisory.

You're advising, you're making recommendations, you're making suggestions.

That's it.

That's what your role is.

You're just offering recommendations, advice from your perspective as serving on the council.

That's how I'm looking at it.

Um you don't have any authority to do anything.

You're advising, you're coming back to your council person or to your community in an advisory capacity only, right?

That's how I'm looking at it, but this is just part of the conversation, so I'm glad we're having it.

Is there anything else on this in terms of the rules for community community advisory council?

Is there a um if there's no other discussion?

Is there a motion because is the report prepared?

Um, Mr.

Keller, is there something we're receiving and filing, or are we bringing this back again?

Uh to the chair, the rules are drafted.

Uh the original recommendation was to you know have it referred to the rules committee.

Um, but after discussion, it might want to bring it back until we either discuss with member McCampbell or until we have a ordinance language.

Yeah, um, is further discussion, Member Benson, Member Miller?

Because as I indicate, I don't have uh I'm concerned and I'm interested because we want one in district two, and I'm sure the other district want one as well.

But member Benson.

The discussion that Member Miller has a dog in this fight.

I do not have a dog in this fight right now.

You might though in the future, yeah.

Right now, I would member allow that to go to the members who do have a dog in that fight, and that would be district five and district seven, and district four, if I'm not mistaken, has one as well.

They I would suggest get together and say, hey, this is what we think should happen.

Let's put an ordinance together, modify the existing ordinance to identify who's responsible for that.

Yeah, and and thank you, Member Benson.

And um, it sounds like our two newest members have the advisory council.

I've not heard from any other member um from district four.

So I'm going to defer to Member Miller.

She's sitting right here, and um member McCampbell, they have a huge interest, which I'm glad that they do.

I've not until you brought this up, you were member McCampbell.

Uh, this is my fifth year on this council, and I didn't know what their responsibilities were because I don't have one in district two, so it was not of an interest to me, but it's of interest to you.

Member Miller.

I will say through the chair that um prior to this um elected body coming for the CAC uh on my previous CAC as a resident, I had um Byron Osborne.

I had Gregory Love.

They were very um, even as as a resident taxpayer, very uh effective with providing information when we needed uh answers, they meet it four times a year.

Um so there's things, so I am already first with it, so I will make a motion that we bring it back in one week.

Allow time to meet confirm with my two colleagues that do have the CACs.

Okay.

Is there a motion to bring line item 7.1 back in one week?

Motion hearing no objections that action shall be taken.

Line item 7.1, which is the memorandum relative to the rules for the community advisory council will be brought back in one week.

We are at um hearing no objections that action shall be taken.

We are now at line item 7.2, status of council member Renata Miller's memorandum relative to questions regarding the community advisory council.

One question, I'm sorry.

Um discussion.

Is there a motion for discussion?

Discussion.

Member Miller, I will say because it does not spells it out on uh 7.2, but it was to provide a legal and policy analysis regarding the authority of this community advisory council to pursue and administer grant funding.

That's it, that's what it says for 7.2.

I make a motion that we bring back in one week.

Okay, there's a motion to bring line item 7.2 back in one week.

Any objections?

Hearing none, that action shall be taken.

Line item 7.3 status of council member Denzel McCampbell's memorandum relative to questions on employee pay raises.

Understand that um Denise Starr is available to answer the questions regarding the employee pay increases.

Are you available?

Or anyone from HR.

Madam Chair, um, Director Starr is joining us now as a panelist.

Thank you.

Good morning, city council.

Good morning, um, Director Starr.

And um, you you are here regarding line item 7.3 regarding uh member McCampbell's questions on employee pay increases.

Yes, through the chair.

Um yes, we see we received um a memo from council member McCampbell, um, and he had several questions regarding the living wage, um, primarily those um the live wage that went into effect um per the mayor's executive order, uh, went into effect seven, six, which was this past uh Monday.

And the questions really centered on how does this impact seasonal employees who are who don't work typically uh a uh full year, uh so they're not full time.

Um one thing I will say is we are currently in negotiations with the motor city seasonals, uh which is the union that these employees would be a part of.

And so I though I cannot share the discussions that are happening at the table, um I think in the very near futures uh something will be coming forth um after those negotiations are complete.

Um not sure it will take them to the 2145.

Um, but we certainly um with the livable uh wage um ordinance we are um executive order, you know, we we looked at how many you know individuals are impacted um by this.

There were approximately 1100 employees that we did increase their wages, uh their hourly wage to the livable wage of 21 dollars and 45 cents an hour effective this past Monday.

Um there are approximately uh 300 seasonal employees, and as I indicated, they are at the table right now in negotiations.

Um there are employees, uh another one of the questions are there are there any of the seasonal employees that might be working full time for us that uh there are uh several that um cross over uh depending on the season.

So it could be that during the summer they're working in GSD and recreation area and then and parks and maintenance, and uh during the winter time they might be working um for snow removal and others uh areas to support the winter months.

There are not that many individuals that are um you know working uh full time in these um positions um year round, uh but we do have a handful.

Okay.

Um I don't have any other questions.

Thank you, um, Director Starr.

Um discussion.

Member Benson.

Thank you.

So if we were to extend this to all employees in the city of Detroit, no matter FTE, no matter part-time or even TAS, what would that cost the city to extend a minimum wage irregardless of your title or position in the city?

What would that cost?

Uh through the chair, I would have to come back and give you um that as you know, that estimate um, or you know, get something, you know, um very close to what it would actually cost.

We looked at that, but with the um monies that we did have available for this effort, this was our first step forward in um being able to do that.

Um, but I will um through the chair, I will um come back and and send along what the those additional costs would be.

All right, thank you.

Now incremental steps are also positive steps forward as well.

So then here's my other question.

Do we know how many employees do not receive the uh minimum pay?

Oh, the basic minimum wage in the city of Detroit.

Um, we know for sure the seasonals, which is about 300 employees on the uh TAS employees.

I would I will have to come back with the actual number because I don't want to misspeak on that.

Okay, I also know that our crossing guards aren't making you know, we just had that conversation a couple weeks ago, just got approved this past Tuesday.

Uh there, I don't think they're making uh the minimum wage either.

I'd be interested in knowing how many people don't make that minimum wage.

And here is my anecdote.

I see one of our maintenance staff at the Detroit Zoo one morning.

And so we were just about to approve this.

I said, All right, but you don't get a big pay raise.

No, I'm not.

He said I do maintenance at the at uh Hyoman Rec Center.

Um I'm a contract employee, and I have to have two jobs because I can't make ends meet on that contract employment.

So I do maintenance here at the Detroit Zoo as well, and I do it over at the rec center.

So I mean there are there are a number of people who aren't in that space.

So I'd be interested in knowing not advocating yet that we find the money in the budget, but I think we should at least know how many people don't qualify, then what would it cost us to bring everybody into that space?

And here's the other question then for you.

What type of management challenge does that offer if we're now bringing everybody up to the basic minimum wage?

There's got to be some management challenges there as well, I would believe.

And I'm not saying, you know, that they will get the 2145, but we're currently in discussions with that union.

And so that's the approximately 300 individuals there.

You know, I will say this, you know, this is a a great first stop for livable wage.

This is really changed individuals' lives.

And you know, thank you to you know uh Mayor Sheffield's um leadership and your you know and city council's leadership and support on this effort because it really has changed individuals' lives where they don't have to do gig work, possibly they can spend more time with their family and you know, and and have a livable wage.

And so this is I will say the first stop in um being able to impact individuals' lives.

Some of our employees received upwards of six dollars an hour, which is twelve thousand dollars a year, which is um you know extremely impactful.

And um, you know, we you know, when estimating what the cost of this was going to be, we looked at we have a lot of turnover, and then we have individuals who are are having to work two, three jobs, and one other area that um might be interesting to um council and to the public um it is that um others have reached out to us and um before we actually before city council approved this and wondered was it really happening because they're looking at their organizations and changing their uh wages to the livable wage as well.

And I want to make it very clear.

I'm not questioning why we do this or trying to diminish it or say we shouldn't.

I'm just asking different questions.

There's a memo before us, and I think there's been some questions that are asked here and some additional ones that haven't been asked yet.

So I'm I'm glad.

Incremental steps forward are steps forward.

So we're leaving we're tip of the spear here, so it's fantastic.

But there are additional questions here.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Benson.

Um, Member Villar, you have any questions?

Um Director Starr, um, thank you for um your hard work in this regard, and um 1,100 employees, 2145 an hour.

That's 1,100 employees whose lives whose lives have been changed for the better, and that's what we do in the city.

Um, and then also the seasonal, the 300 seasonal.

We're hoping that they will um benefit from this um livable wage increase.

And thank you, Member Benson, for your um your questions.

And I just have um one for you, um, director starr.

Where did the money come from?

Um the the money came from a um the fund that is utilized for union negotiations, and uh we work closely with finance, and there were some dollars that were there that we were able to expend on this initiative.

So I'm grateful that we have a mayor in office who care about the people she serves and that we serve.

Um, and um, I don't want to say this should have been done a long time ago, but it should have been done a long time ago.

When you care about people, you want to change their trajectory in life in a positive um way, and that has happened under our current mayor's leadership, and it happened, and this leadership, the lit leadership of this council, this body, um, in agreement with our um our mayor.

Um, and I'm grateful that it happened um practically on day one, putting families first in this city.

And um hopefully someone from the administration is listening to this body, and we're grateful in all of the 1100 and soon to be hopefully the seasonal workers will be impacted as well in a positive way.

It makes living in the city um not easier, but um more comfortable because it still is a fight to live in the city, and when you're uh making um less than 2145 is a struggle, it's a struggle, and I remember um last year when the casino workers were here um in the um in the main auditorium, director starr.

I don't know if you remember, but they mostly African American women, and um that was just one of their jobs.

They all had multiple jobs to take care of their families, so this has made a difference.

So thank you so much.

I don't have any other questions.

Um is there a motion on line item 7.3?

Motion to receive and file.

There's a motion to receive and file the report from employee pay increases, the question submitted by Member Denzel McCampbell.

Any objections?

Hearing none, that action shall be taken.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, member Benson.

This further discussion, Madam Chair.

Uh this is uh obviously after the vote has been taken.

Just I did want to say this body approved the Alice stability resolution a number of years ago, which puts a suggestion and urges that jobs we go after for economic development purposes offer Alice stability wages, which is about $32 an hour in the city of Detroit.

It may now be $34 an hour after inflation, and so just want to reflect on that as well.

Alice stability versus the minimum wage is significantly higher.

That's about $20,000 a year higher than what we're offering.

And so just wanted to say that.

I mean, those numbers are they're stark, but at $2145 versus a 15.

That's also stark.

Very good.

So just but there's still ways to go, and we just got to keep looking and plugging away at it, and we'll get there.

But just what just want to bring some more thought to this conversation as well.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Benson.

Thank you, Director Stark.

Okay, thank you.

Yes, have a good day.

You too, ma'am.

Thank you.

We are now um uh at line item 7.4, status of council member Scott Benson's submitting a memorandum regarding city council media services division.

I'll defer to is there motion for discussion?

Motion, member Benson.

Thank you, madam chair.

Yes, sir.

And so this line item, I'm gonna uh say receive and file.

Um line item eight point eleven uh speaks directly to this and the report has been filed, and we can discuss it at that point.

Motion to receive and file.

Okay, so there's a motion to receive and file line item 7.4.

Should we be combining that with the 8.11?

We can.

Okay.

There's a motion to combine and move to four a motion to receive and file line item 7.4 along with 8.11.

Discussion.

Discussion.

Member Benson.

Um, if LPD, are you all prepared to uh give a brief overview of your recommendation here?

Uh through the chair, yes, we can do that.

Mr.

Keller.

So uh what we've laid out in in the report is sort of a historical um some data on what it looked like when council did manage its own media services staff.

Um we've sort of looked at now currently uh the media services department budget and sort of extrapolated from that um a few different avenues uh council could pursue depending on sort of the scope of of services that the council would like.

But there's there's sort of various considerations within that.

Um first is just the scope of the work, um, whether uh social media uh staff will be included in that, whether a dedicated dedicated uh graphic designer would be included in that.

Um additionally, whether um some portion of this work would be contracted or or how many full-time staff members.

So um ultimately this is sort of a uh jumping off point.

I think there needs to be more discussion between council members uh to sort of narrow down what the actual um framework or or what what the need is, and then we can sort of further um hone in on um the estimates and and how to proceed.

Member Benson.

Thank you.

And so, madam chair, this is something that we talked about during this past budget cycle.

And so I am now taking notes.

So we've talked about ambulance service and when they bring that in house.

There's a cost there.

We've talked about bringing media back in the house to city council.

There's a cost there.

So we now need to start thinking about what our ask is for the budget cycle for fiscal year 28.

So this would be number two that I know that we've discussed as a body that we want to see.

And so there are three different tiers.

I think it's 720, 1.2, and then 2.3 or something like that.

In this report, what do we want to see?

This could also be a working group or someone can take on the task force.

I'm not going to take it on the task force.

But since this is my question, I would be willing to work with my colleagues to see what do we want to do.

What actually do we see?

And this is a great foundation for us to start thinking about it.

So my suggestion will be to receive and file this today, and then we'll start reaching out to our colleagues that we actually have a number for next year.

I do want to have a number based on the feedback from our colleagues of what we want to do.

And I believe this is how we do it.

We start early, it's July.

The fiscal year just started, so that this time next year we can have in-house media service, and there's no more complaining.

There would be ours, it would be our responsibility to manage.

Uh, or we can just work with adding new people to the budget, and then we still stop complaining because we have enough coverage that we get what we need as a the legislative body.

So what we my suggestions of receive and file today, that's my motion, and then we will start the conversations to uh put this number into the budget for next year.

There's a motion to receive and file line item 7.4.

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

And then further discussion, madam chair.

Further discussion, Member Benson.

And then there will be a recommendation made to the administration for a line item number for that.

And if they don't put it in there, we can put it in ourselves.

Yep, FYI.

Thank you.

Yes.

Um the discussion came from 811.

Are we just receiving and filing 7.4?

Or are we receiving and filing both line items?

Receiving and filing both line items, if not mistaken.

I'm looking at LPD.

Is that correct?

Yes, madam clerk.

That is correct.

Thank you.

Thank you for the question.

We are now at line item under new business, the mayor's office 8.1 submitting a resolution authorizing appointment of Joven Glenn to the Detroit Land Bank effective immediately, ending on July the 1st, 2013.

Upon upon city council approval.

Is there a motion?

Motion to receive to remove that's already been completed.

Is there a motion through the chair?

Yes.

Um Miss Sullivan.

Good morning, Brianna Sullivan, City Government Affairs.

This is the accompanying resolution for the vote that you are already bid.

Okay.

So is this a motion to you said this is a resolution?

Updated.

And it's already been it's already been provided.

Correct.

This should still be voted on.

Um, you all have already voted on it.

This is just the accompanying resolution from the administration.

So is there a discussion?

This is the resolution from the mayor's office.

This is the mayor's appointment, but we have the handshake deal.

Yep.

Where we make the appointment, and so this is the mayor submitting the resolution from their office, so it's being initiated from the appropriate place, which is why I've indicated we'd like to see some language that actually gives us that appointment.

But that's not a here nor there right now.

Motion to recommend approvals in the formal.

There's a recommendation recommendation to move line item 8.1 to formal with a recommendation for approval.

Any objections?

Hearing on that action shall be taken.

Thank you, Miss Sullivan, and thank you, Member Benson.

We are now under Office of Contracting and Procurement Line Item 8.2, contract number 6007968, 100% city funding.

Ooh, to provide a digital evidence management solution for body worn and in-car cameras via my deal or me deal.

I think that's I guess it's my deal contract out of Chicago, Illinois.

I do see Mr.

Robert Millinder here.

I understand there's a Latrice Yelder who will be joining you, I guess, virtually.

Um is there a motion for discussion?

Motion.

Mr.

Millinger, we see you making your way to the microphone.

You know what to do when you get there.

This is a five-year contract.

12, I don't even know how to say it, 12, 215,000 dollars.

I don't even know how to say it, 889.

And going to Chicago.

Yes, sir.

Mr.

Millinger, you want to introduce yourself and um share your title.

If Latrice Yelder is on, if you can promote her, Miss JC, Mr.

Millinger.

Um, through the chair, Robert Millennium, director of public safety IT.

And I would also ask through the chair 8.2, line them 8.2 and 8.3 are both related to each other.

Okay.

So if we can discuss those together, I appreciate it.

We can please proceed, sir.

Through the chair, the contract that you have for you today, there are two.

The one contract is for the digital evidence management system.

This establishes a five-year agreement with Motor Well the Solutions, the city for the state's enterprise evidence management system.

These agreements continue and expand on the services currently provided under contract purchase agreement 600-4033.

For our restructuring the procurement to better support long-term operational and financial needs.

The system is a comprehensive enterprise solution that includes body worn cameras, NCAR video system, divided digital evidence and management system, secure cloud storage, software licensing, maintenance, technical support, replacement and computing and procurement of new hardware, professional and implementation services.

The reason why restructuring these in two separate agreements is today is one is for the actual services and the other one's for the actual procurement of software.

The four million dollar contract for procuring the software is not it's as needed.

So it's no it's not tying any city budget or anything like that.

It's just as needed and requested by departments.

We have to see a substantial increase, uh in not substantial, an increase in how body worn cameras were originally done today.

Originally it was just a DPD project.

Now it's expanded to our general service department, animal control as well as DDoT security is using them as well.

So that's what I have for you today through the chair.

Any questions, I'll be happy to answer.

Is there a motion for discussion?

Okay, so Mr.

Millender, I I just want to make sure I'm hearing you um correctly.

Are you saying that body worn cameras are now going to be extended to um GSD Animal Control and what was the other agency?

DOT service.

They're in there today.

Right now, our animal control divisions and general service security divisions are using body warrant cameras when they meet the public.

And as well as we D dot security is asking for them as well.

And this contract would cover those.

They already have, like I said, General Service Department and Animal Control have them today.

And DLOT security is going to be receiving them as well.

Um, this is this is a lot of um body cameras.

Um just trying to make sure I understand.

DPD, of course, GSD.

Does GSD currently have body worn cameras?

Yes, the security staff currently has them.

Okay.

Animal control.

Animal control currently.

And now D dot wants who who will be wearing the body cameras with the bus drivers?

Well, not the bus drivers.

It'd be the security team.

Security.

Yes.

If you want through the chair, I can break down the numbers precisely for the helpful.

That would be helpful.

DPD has 2800.

General Service and Animal Control has 24, and D dot will be getting 67.

So that's a total of 2,891 cameras.

What about animal control?

GSD and animal control underneath the same department.

We consider that 24 includes them as well.

Okay.

So 20, 2800 DPD, 24, and animal control, uh GSD and animal control 24, and then 67 for DDOT security.

That is correct to the chair.

Okay.

All right.

And then NCAR cameras?

NCAR cameras as of right now.

That's just only one department, and that's um that is DPD.

And I think they have six hundred and thirty-one.

I'll get that exact number for you.

You give me one second.

Okay.

But we can go through the chair.

You can bring more questions to me, but I believe it's 631 N-CAR cameras.

Okay.

Okay.

And um, and and then I'm gonna um see if my colleagues have any questions.

Um, with the 631 N-CAR cameras, does that include installation, or that's just the actual equipment?

That's the actual that's a service.

The hard is the service that you see right now.

What we have to do for body worn cameras and in-car video to function correctly, it has to be uploaded to a cloud storage location and then actually tagged for evidence.

So we're paying for that service to that right now through the chair.

So that is for the service fee for those N-CAR videos that we're seeing today.

So the N-CAR videos are already in the vehicles now.

Yeah, they're already in the V.

So this is service.

Service.

And what we have just so you understand how the body camera works for DPD.

The actual body camera is a system.

So the body camera, when you get in there, is tethered to the N-CAR service.

So when the lights come on, it has different triggers that come on that actually activate the N-CAR system as well as the body camera system that's being worn by the officers.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Um, any other discussion from my chair.

Yes.

This Anthony Johnson, LPD staff.

Um, just want to make this body aware, Madam Chair, that a correction letter for uh line item 8.2 was sent this morning, um, right before you all began discussing this contract.

Um the correction letter is increasing the total contract amount by about 300,000 dollars from 12 million 215,889 dollars is being amended to 12,523,254 and 11 cent.

Um the LPD team has not received the reasoning why for the increase, but I do see we have uh OCP online that may speak to that change.

Uh just wanted the body to be aware um before the vote.

I'm gonna definitely make a motion to bring this back in a week so I can understand what's happening here this morning.

Uh just wanted the body to be aware um before the vote I'm gonna definitely make a motion to bring this back in a week so I can understand what's happening here this morning um so there is a motion to bring this back before we I mean we can listen to um contracts and procurement but three hundred thousand dollar um change change let me finish change is not going to be um handled here this morning because I have to see what the increase is for and why it was changed this morning maybe um it was changed prior to this morning but this body is just getting it this morning and that's a lot for me to um I'm sure a lot for all three of us to digest right now so I will hear from the person who I see I think that's director stall if I'm not mistaken I it's kind of blurry if it's not director stall I don't know if you can introduce yourself I can barely see your face because of the screen but um is there a motion for discussion then we're gonna hear from the individual um ma'am you want to introduce yourself I I can't see oh yes my name is Latrice Yelder and I'm the contract and procurement specialist with OCP.

Ms.

Yelder 300,000 dollar increase yes what happened was is that when the information was submitted there were animal control and actually DDOT their pricing information wasn't included.

So we had to include theirs on top of Detroit polices and through the chair I actually have the amounts for each one of those increases the animal control for five years is $90,642 and 49 cents.

The D dot for five years is 2162 dollars and sixty two cent that includes the services as well as the body cameras for each one of those each one of those departments and they won't be receiving any in-car services at this time.

And one more thing I would like to add through the chair is is that the list price for the services that we receiving is $1,508.

The city received a three million nine hundred and eighty five thousand five hundred and forty eighty two cent discount on what we're receiving today that got us to the actual total the total of twelve million four hundred and twenty three thousand two hundred and fifty four dollars and eleven cents.

So that's how we got to that amount I know we had um a motion to bring this back I um I is that motion is still on the floor um we have D dot one in 67 D D doc causes us a lot um and um lawsuits I'd like to see what their budget is um and then DPD the same thing and I know that these are critical um agencies in this city but my goodness um I uh the motion still stands and we're gonna bring this back in a week I just have a lot of um questions and then we got a three million dollar um discount okay that's great um I'd like to know if there's another discount we can get because this is a five year contract and some of us will be here on this council and some of us won't and I just don't like I I know what you're gonna say Mr.

um millender when we enter these multi-year contracts we are at an advantage because we get discounts but I am going to um ask my colleagues if there's no other further discussion that motion still stands bringing it back in a week mr um mr millender to the chair just I'm gonna remind through the chair I'm sorry to cut you off if I didn't cut me off through the chair one thing is is that the actual budget for body cameras has been moved to do it so that's why it's before you today do it handles all the technical requests from DPD and I can tell you now that has been but this amount was budgeted and do his FY27 budget for that amount that we see the day before you okay great thank you so much Mr.

Millender um for the discussion with the chair um yes member on the motion just what's what is the uh the sense of urgency here um the urgency is is that we can't pay our next billing cycle is due that's why we brought this to you our next billing cycle is due I think it's the end of July our next building cycle is due by the end of July so that's why this contract's before you today so we continue with ongoing services and pay two motor roads that's why we would like to give it completed and done by the end of this calendar year before council goes on recess through the chair so the day being the eighth comes back in a week you still have two bites at the apple at formal through the chair we understand that's fine we would be ready to answer any questions provided by this honorable body yeah thank you member Benson that's reasonable um and um so the motion will bring it back next week without objection but Mr.

The one thing that's important to remember is the integration piece with our with our teams do from an integration standpoint for the in-car service is when we when our vehicles get in accidents or anything of those type of things, we're replacing those and put them into different curves, and that integration patients will be lost.

We tried to move to a new service, as well as we would have to a large amount of our data is stored up there in order for me to migrate to a different system.

We would have to actually have dual contracts and handle the migration piece.

So that's why we chose to go in this direction for this one.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, Mr.

Millinger, and we'll see you next week.

Oh, no problem.

Have a good day.

You too, sir.

And thank you, Ms.

Yelder.

All right.

Um, now we are on line item um eight point four under the law department.

The chair.

Yes, madam clerk.

For a point of clarity, eight point two and eight point three will be brought back in a week.

Yes, that is correct.

8.2 and 8.3 um will be brought back in a week.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Additionally, madam.

Yes, madam parliamentary.

Member Benson did.

He made a motion.

Oh, okay.

He made a motion.

He made a motion because we discussed them both combined.

We didn't discuss them separately.

We discussed 8.2 and 8.3 together, and that is what he made a motion to move them both to formal.

Okay.

Okay.

And with that was without objection.

Thank you so much, Madam Parliamentarian and Madam Clerk.

Um, we are at the law department line item 8.4 settlement in the lawsuit of Aaron Salter versus Donald Olson.

This is the police department.

This is a in the amount of 5.8 million dollars.

Um, is there a motion for discussion or a motion for approval?

Motion.

Um, there's a motion to approve a $5.8 million settlement.

Um in the lawsuit of Aaron Salter versus Donald Olson.

This is a reverse conviction case, if I'm not mistaken.

This gentleman spent 15 years in jail, if I'm not mistaken.

And um 5.8 is not even enough to um restore him or to repay him for being in jail 15 years of his life.

But without objection, this action will this action will um be taken.

Move to formal with um recommendation for approval.

Thank you, Member Miller.

Okay, line item 8.5, settlement and lawsuit of Mr.

Miller versus the City of Detroit.

D dot in the amount of $32,000.

Is there a motion?

Motion motion to move line item 8.5 to formal with a recommendation to approve without objection that action shall be taken.

Um and then line item 8.6 in the matter of D Day Daoud versus the officer Lorenzo Palmer, police department in the amount of five thousand dollars.

Is there a motion?

Motion motion to move line item 8.6 to formal with the recommendation for approval.

Hearing no objections, the action shall be taken.

Line item 8.7 settlement in the lawsuit of Robert McKenzie versus the City of Detroit.

D dot in the amount of $32,500.

Is there a motion?

Motion motion to move line item 8.7 without objections, that action shall be taken.

Line item 8.8 settlement in the lawsuit of Shakita, Danielle Mac Lewis versus Brent Michael Sohoor and the City of Detroit Police Department, and the amount of 140,000 is there a motion?

Motion motion to move line item 8.8 to formal with the recommendation for approval hearing no objections that action shall be taken.

Line item 8.9 under human resources classification and compensation division request to amend the 2026-2027 official compensation schedule for the deputy clerk.

Is there someone on from human resources?

Um I think is there a Brenda Van Toll on standby to Madam Chair.

Um she has been promoted to panelists.

Okay, Ms.

Van Toll.

Ms.

Van Toll.

Hello.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Um, we are on line item 8.9 regarding the compensation schedule for the deputy city clerk.

Yes.

Um, what is it?

What is the pay range now?

Is being current.

I can let you know.

The current pay rank is 88,226 to 105913.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Um, are there any other questions?

Okay.

Thank you so much, Ms.

Van Toll.

All righty.

Um, there's a is there a motion to uh move to um formal motion.

There's a motion to move 8.9 to formal with a recommendation for approval.

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

Line item 8.10 under human resources and labor relations, changes to police and fire retirement system, section 12.3, subsection three, addition of section 12.3, subsection 7, and changes to section 18.8 of component one, article 12 of the police and fire retirement system covers the provisions of the deferred retirement option plan program, which is available to members who are covered by collective bargaining agreements with the city that permit such members to participate in the deferred retirement option plan program and those non-union executives of the police department and the fire department.

Do the chair, madam clerk.

I just want I was informed through the from earlier today that this is a resolution attached and not submitting a report.

Okay, so line item 8.10.

Yes.

So the resolution is attached.

Yes, it is.

So that would be is there a motion to receive and file the resolution from line item 8.10.

I believe the I would defer to LPD.

Okay, thank you, Madam Clerk.

Um moving to formal.

Madam Clerk, thank you.

Um LPD, Mr.

King.

I don't see the resolution as of yet, but if it is a resolution.

I can't hear you, Mr.

King.

I don't see the resolution as of yet, but if there is a resolution attached, there should be action taken on that item.

So it could be moved to formal with the recommendation, which is the will of this body.

Okay, I don't see thank you, Mr.

King.

I don't see the resolution, so I would need to see it, and I would hope that LPD would have a copy of it since we do not.

Is there a motion to bring line item back?

Um 8.10 in a week pinning the receipt of the resolution.

Motion.

There's a motion to bring line item 810 8.10 back in one week pending the receipt of the resolution without objection.

That action shall be taken.

Line item 8.11, legislative policy division submitting a report relative to city council media service.

That we've already done that.

Thank you, madam clerk.

And now we're on miscellaneous um 8.

Um 8.11.

We've already done that.

Now we're on 8.12 miscellaneous.

Council member Denzel and Tom McCampbell submitting a memoranda relative to requests for legal legal opinion regarding sharing of administrative responses.

This is connected to this is connected to what line member Miller, you're saying because I don't see anything.

You said a 714 7.4.

7.4 is media services and um 8.12 is a legal opinion regarding the sharing of administrative responses.

Um Mr.

King 8.12.

Yes, 8.12.

Uh we ask that this item be referred to LPD in the law department.

Sorry, sir.

We ask that this item be referred to LPD in the law department for an opinion.

Okay.

Is there a motion to refer line item 8.12 to law and to LPD?

Motion.

There's a motion to refer line item 8.12 to LPD and the law department.

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

And I do understand that Mr.

John Naglik is here regarding line item uh regarding line item 8.10 changes to police and fire retirement system.

If Mr John Naglik is available we will hear from you sir but we're already going to bring this back in a week.

Madam Chair I'm sorry.

I I have located the resolution for 8.10 okay so there would have to be a motion for reconsideration of the vote to bring it back in a week knowing now that Mr.

King has received the resolution um relative to 8.10 we'll still hear from Mr John Naglet but is there a motion to reconsider our vote on line 8.10 knowing now that Mr King from LPD has received the resolution there's a most motion to reconsider the vote 8.10 without objection that action shall be taken and miss JC if you could promote Mr John Naglett who will be speaking on line madam chair john neglight was on earlier but he's dropped um from the call since okay he's no longer maybe he'll join us next Tuesday all right thank you miss jaycy now we are at members reports madam clerk to the chair you've uh reconsidered 8.10 so um we would need a motion thank you so there's a motion to reconsider our vote which we just did and now we know that 8.10 is going to go to formal with a recommendation for approval is there a motion for that motion motion to move line item 8.10 to formal with a recommendation for approval hearing no objections that action shall be taken thank you madam clerk also 8.12 you referred to lpd and law there wasn't a motion to move any anywhere is it coming back in a week or I'm going to um defer to mr king since he asked that we do that mr king two weeks madam chair okay is there a motion to bring line item 812 back in two weeks motion there's a line there's a motion to bring line item 8.12 back in two weeks without objections that action shall be taken and thank you madam clerk you're amazing we appreciate you all right we are now at members report member miller negative report for me negative report for me as well without objection if no other business to come before this body is there motion to adjourn motion thank you