Good afternoon, everyone.

I would like to call the budget finance and audit committee meeting of Wednesday, July 15th to order.

Will the clerk please call the role?

Councilmember Denzel Anton McCampbell.

Present.

Councilmember Letitia Johnson.

Councilmember Mary Waters.

Present.

Mr.

Chair, you have a quantum present.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

That'll move us on to the approval of the minutes.

Members of the committee should have received the minutes from the July 18th.

2026 meeting.

And with that, is there a motion to approve?

Motion.

It's been a motion to approve the minutes from July 8th.

See no objections that action shall be taken.

That'll move us on to chair remarks.

I know there's uh cooling centers that have been activated once again.

Uh so please do check on your neighbors.

Um do stay cool and also um try to limit as much exposure to the heat as possible and including pets as well.

If you have any pets outside, um, it would be good to make sure that they're they are sheltered and have water and bring them inside if possible.

With that, um, that'll move us on to public comment.

But before we move to public comment, if Madam Clerk, if you can note that we've been joined by Vice Chair Johnson.

Clerk was so notes.

Thank you so much.

Move us on to public comment.

Um, request for public comment will close at uh 115.

Um, please limit your remarks to two minutes.

We'll start with folks in the room here and then move on to those who are joining us virtually.

If you are joining us virtually, please do use the read the raise hand um feature, and you will be called in order.

With that, seeing no folks currently in person.

How many folks do we have on Zoom so far?

Good afternoon, Mr.

Chair.

We currently have six hands raised.

All right, let's go to our first speaker.

All right, our first speaker is Owner Papa.

Ms.

Hughes, good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Good afternoon, and through the chair, may I be heard.

Yes, you may.

Thank you.

5.5 on your agenda is for a um a fees of a feasibility, a f a fiscal statement, of something that says the that these NEZs are helping our community, and I tell you unequivocally, they are not.

6.5 and 6.6 on your agenda should be tabled.

Anything calling for new NEZs should be tabled until we have the answer to if they are and how much are they robbing the general fund?

Um 5.2 would would be a no.

I don't think that we should move thousands of dollars from Detroit at work to move it over to help restaurant owners and rest and and train their employees.

We used to have a health department, Firm and Kiefer that used to house all of our and and now you have a uh you have a a memorandum asking the health department to ask some very crucial questions of um the infant mortality rate that is extremely high.

Black infant infant mortality rate is more than that in a national average.

It is um a shame to be called uh a society where we're not third world to to see these numbers.

And 6.4.

Um, it is a diversion of funds again.

Um I think it's a shame that we would even suggest we had HUD funds that could even be in danger of going back with all the problems that we have.

And Ms.

uh councilwoman Johnson, you have a lot of NAZs on your agenda tomorrow.

I would hope that after after yesterday's re revealing of what is really going on with these departments, especially uh um the HRD.

Please reconsider what Mr.

Todd and Mr.

Gulach are putting for you before you.

They have to do their research, and you do too.

Thank you, Ms.

Hughes.

Next speaker.

Our next speaker is Betty A.

Varner.

Ms.

Varner, good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Uh good afternoon, Chair, and to all within the sound of my voice.

I'm Betty A.

Browner, president of the Soda Elsewhere Black Association.

What I'm going to talk about uh at this time, I know the council has no control, but you might uh have a rapport with someone at DTE, and you might want to mention this.

There is an issue.

Uh, there's seniors and just uh residents who uh are blessed to have air conditioned in their homes, but they don't want to use the air between the hours of three and seven because DTE has this as peak hours, and they are charging much more for the air conditioning.

I'm not gonna quote, think it was 30 or 40 percent more uh for those peak hours.

That creates havoc for uh seniors who are on a fixed income.

They're putting out these alerts about the heat.

And DTE is doing certain things.

I've uh I've received um emails from DTE where they're passing out water and they're doing other things to try to accommodate and help residents be comfortable in their homes.

They need to waive that the costs that they are charging people during those peak hours when there is these heat alerts.

Uh people don't want to use the air because it reaps havoc and they cannot afford it when it's time to pay for it.

So if you have any connects with DTE, please mention that.

Uh the Soada Else World Black Association, we're still looking for volunteers for our event that's August 1st.

It's gonna be a family fun field day.

We need help with our tent set up.

Thank you, Miss Verner.

Uh next speaker.

Our next speaker is Black Bag.

Mr.

Carly, good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Hey, uh, Mrs.

McCampbell, can you hear me clearly?

Yes, we can.

Okay, I'm listening to this uh BOPC meeting on the other phone.

But uh, y'all, Mr.

McCamber, I'm you don't know me.

And I'm real.

I've been at I got that nickname at 17 years old.

And um back seat of a black limousine downtown Detroit.

But I'm also young blood from the Brewster Project.

Now I don't lie.

I got a 46 now year reputation in and around, in and around Detroit of being stand up 100.

They call me a Detroit legend, legendary Detroiter, because I'm young blood from the Brewster Projects in 1980.

Real from the backseat of that black limousine, and out of busted the Detroit Department of Elections cheating in Detroit elections, and Janice Winfrey who won six elections in a row, supposedly, is a cheat and a liar.

She said she sent you the Fernies on the not you, you weren't here.

The other Thomas person that was there in your position.

Um allegations of voter fraud for anonymous citizen report.

Now I know it didn't get said because I called every member of council, the mayor's office, Michael Edward Duggan was the mayor, and the law department, Comrade Malik Jr.

was the General Corporation counselor for the city.

And he was sitting right beside her when she lied at that Detroit election commission meeting on April 25th, 2024.

Go on Zoom.

It's on Zoom.

You can view it.

And I'll tell the truth in our black bag.

Thank you.

Um before we go to the next speaker, just to note the request for public comment has been cut off.

Uh who's our next speaker?

Uh we have four hands remaining, and our next caller is William M.

Davis.

Commissioner Davis, good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Uh good afternoon.

Can I be heard?

Yes, you can.

I was wondering, I know that the governor and the president approved some uh some funds to help with some of the storms we have, especially on July 3rd.

Do you know the process and do you know, like take my backyard?

I have big huge branches falling, you know, that's fallen, and I can't even use my backyard.

I mean, and the tree, you know, the branches are so heavy, I can't pick them up, or my son can't pick them up.

Uh, so they need to be cut up and removed.

So, do you have any information on the funds that might be available or assistance that we can get?

And just not just my house, which is you know bad, but up and down the streets, there are a lot of there's a lot of tree debris that don't seem to be being moved.

And you know, some streets over here are still drive down, and I still see fallen trees that's blocking sidewalks and stuff.

So I think we need to do a little bit more and see what funds is available.

Hopefully, the city can do it or the city could get federal funds, but you know, we need some assistance over here, and hopefully you could help to facilitate that.

Uh also I think we need to do more to encourage more people to vote.

We need to have a major voter turnout because we are fighting against the forces of evil.

You know, so that was my comments.

Y'all have a good day.

Thank you, Commissioner Davis.

So on the um emergency declaration, that declaration was for the storms back in April, I believe, that the um that the president just approved.

Um, I did speak with the administration on any type of declaration on the storms that we experienced over the 4th of July weekend.

Um, and it appears that it didn't reach the threshold um to request that.

Uh, so still trying to see what can be done.

Um, but I do know that if there, as you mentioned, the right of waves and sidewalks have been blocked.

Um that is supposed to be and will be picked up by uh GSD and DPW.

Um If there are specific places, if you can just send us a note if you haven't already on where they are.

Um, but I know you we've been in contact of Ron, your backyard is still trying to figure out options there as well.

And but I do agree that um there should be more resources available when these storms do happen for folks.

Next speaker.

Um our next speaker is Jadante Smith.

Mr.

Smith, all right.

You have two minutes.

Good afternoon, Matt Bird.

Yes, you can.

I just want to start off by saying I apologize to you, uh, Councilman McCampbell.

Uh I was talking to you about Marvin Walker and Detroit Priority Detroit and about them getting a um a uh Detroit Land Bank uh community partnership.

Please do not give them anything.

They're guilty as charges, everything that they've been delayed.

I believe they've done.

I believe I've been bamboozled uh and using my good name to further yourself and you're doing improper things.

I don't believe in that.

So I'm gonna say publicly, very, very, very publicly, do not give them a community partnership.

And if you do, I want to look at you sideways, look at the administration sideways.

And so I know I did speak highly, not highly initially, but I did ask about them on their behalf, but I that's before I had all the information that I have currently.

And I I believe that I was a victim of uh a fraudulent individual and organization trying to uh rock themselves around good people in the community to try to further their uh I don't I don't even believe I don't even have a word to describe the amount of uh improper things that they've done.

So I want to speak on that.

Also, when it comes to real token, I don't know what the C V Trader doing with real token properties.

There are hundreds of residents all around the city for that for 18 months have had no uh type of property maintenance being done to their properties or their their rental units.

And so for the last year, there's been ongoing lawsuits and the building that I'm helping with on seven miles, not the first building, it's not the only building that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to these properties.

We just bent over to Moonot's Realty and gave them uh uh the sweet hard deal of a lifetime for 400 properties, and they're doing all types of improper things, charging people for water, even though the straight pipe of water and us regular residents are having issues.

We're having to deal with BC and blight and this and that.

I have a sinkhole in the corner of my block.

I'm gonna keep talking about it.

It's a giant hole, can't get it patched up.

Administration, I don't know what we got going on.

Uh, we got all of these different things that are happening, uh, and improper acting to be true.

I think we need a lot of uh reform.

Also, Conrad Mallie needs to be fired.

David Whitaker needs to be fired.

I don't know what CPC is doing, they're horrible.

Also, Chronos concrete needs to be shut down to be down on it.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And just for the record, our office has not endorsed any community partnership, just for folks to know.

Next speaker.

Our next speaker is Wisdom Institute.

Uh good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Are you there?

Are you there?

If you can hear us, you'll have to come off mute.

All right, let's put them in the queue and go back to them at the end.

Um, then our last speaker before going back to the queue and noting that one hand was raised after you cut off the public comment is Brenda Butler.

Ms.

Butler, good afternoon.

You have two minutes.

Good afternoon, Council Member Campbell.

On agenda item 6.4.

I would like to know as a community advisory council member elected for district four.

If I can get a written report on those programs that funding has not been spent on, and whatever reallocations that the council or HRD is planning to reallocate those funds, is that possible that I could get a report written report.

If you have additional comments, no, so just the additional comments would be um yes.

I just need to know what what the what where those funds are, what were the names of those programs for those funding for that funding and why it was not spent in the allotted time.

And that's it for today.

And I would like to meet with you.

I understand you guys had a discussion last week regarding the CACs.

So I'd like to get on your calendar so we could talk about the CACs.

And thank you so very much.

You guys have a great day.

Thank you.

Yes, and my office we did ask for um guidance on uh rules for CACs um because we had gotten questions from the district seven CAC.

So still uh having conversation on that, but happy to um discuss and for 6.4 on the re reprogramming.

We can certainly ask that uh folks when they come to the table on that agenda item.

And just for folks to know, um, Ms.

Butler, if you go on the website um and view the agenda, the HTML agenda, you are able to view the resolution that uh goes into the line items that will be reprogramming what those items are going into as well.

All right, that'll take us back to Wisdom Institute.

If you are on and can hear us, please uh you'll have to come off mute.

Uh and you have two minutes.

Wisdom Institute, are you there?

Okay.

We do have to move forward in the agenda.

Um, but if you already have any technical difficulties, you can always submit your uh comment to uh the clerk's office.

Thank you all so much.

Thank you all for joining us in giving public comment.

That'll move us on to the agenda under unfinished business 5.1 is a substitute regarding uh uh resolution concerning property tax rate reductions um from LPD.

Is there a motion to discuss uh motion to discuss?

Ms.

uh Mr.

Corley, good afternoon.

Um I just wanted to see if we had any updated language on this item.

Um yeah, then um council member Campbell and City Council members.

Um so we do have the language, the substitute language um from council member Callaway's office.

We made those changes and um but I know that the uh committee asked for a um fiscal impact on this, and so we're working on that currently with the OCFO's office.

And so we do ask to bring this back in two weeks.

Okay.

Uh Mr.

Mo just to make sure the two weeks.

That's it.

All right, so we can't all right.

Is there a motion to bring 5.1 back in two weeks?

Motion.

It's been a motion to bring back 5.1 at 20.

Which we will be on recess in two weeks.

Okay, so I'll bring it back after that.

Got you.

All right.

Is there a motion to bring this back on September 9th?

Motion.

It's been a motion to bring back 5.1 on September 9th.

Uh seeing no objections, that action shall be taken.

Thank you.

Um that'll move us on to uh 5.2.

Um memo relative to the budget modifications for dying with confidence program.

Um we've been asked to bring this back on September 9th as well.

Is there a motion?

Motion.

It's been motion to bring back 5.2 on September 9th.

Any objections?

Seeing none, that action shall be taken.

5.3.

We have received this budget uh follow-up memo from the health department.

Is there a motion to receive and file?

Motion.

It's been a motion to receive and file 5.3.

Uh seeing no objections, the action shall be taken.

Um 5.4.

This is um amendment to the city code regarding all the general awards.

Um we've been actually bringing this back on September 9th as well.

Is there a motion on 5.4?

Motion to bring line item 5.4 back on September 9th.

All right.

There's been a motion to bring back 5.4 on September 9th.

Seeing no objections, the action shall be taken.

Um for 5.5.

Um we have received this memo.

This is relevant to the uh fiscal impact of the NEZ.

Um is there a motion to receive and file 5.5 motion.5.

See no objections, that action shall be taken.

And for 5.6, we have also received this.

Is there a motion to receive and follow 5.6?

Motion to receive and file 5.6.

Seeing no objections, the action shall be taken.

5.7 is a memo relative to the data center tax revenue impact analysis.

Uh is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

Motion to discuss 5.7, Mr.

Corley.

Um do you need any update on this item?

Yeah, please break it up be bring back in a week.

We should have this report out by Friday.

This Friday.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to bring back 5.7 in one week?

Motion.

Motion to bring back 5.7 in one week has been made.

Seeing no objections, that action shall be taken.

That move us on to new business from the Office of Contracting and Procurement.

Uh 6.1 is uh resolution authorizing contract number 601723.

Amendment five for 100% city funding to provide an extension of time and an increase of funds for program provider services and transportation services of the goal line program.

Contractor is community education commission located on Myers Road in Detroit.

Uh previous contract period September 11, 2018 through September 28, 2026.

Amendment contract period were extended through September 28th, 2027.

Contract increase amount is 2 million 200,000.

Um bringing the total contract amount to 8,200,000.

This is for the OCFO.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss?

Motion to approve.

There's been a motion to approve on 6.1.

Any objections?

Seeing none, that action shall be taken.

Movements on the 6.2.

This is contract number 600745.

100% CD funding to provide printing, mail, and then data processing for the Office of Assessors Notices, property tax statements, and applications.

Um located on Clay in Detroit.

The contract period is for one year.

Contract amount is 225,000.

This is for OCFO as well.

Um is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

It's been a motion to discuss.

I believe we have Assessor Horn and Leonard Jones Jones on with us, Mr.

Chair.

If Assessor Horn could raise his hand, I don't see him in the list, but Leonard Jones is joining us.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Well, we'll see if um, I know we have Mr.

Jones here, so we'll see if we could get those questions answered.

Um, if you could just state your name for the record, please.

Yes, Leonard Jones, supervisor in the office of contracting and procurement.

Good afternoon, sir.

Um, thank you for joining us.

I just have a couple of questions.

Um, just wanted to see on uh six on on this contract for just want to bring it up on here.

Um as I'm looking at the um the report on the contract.

I see that the the bid here was for 128,000, but the contract told us 225.

So if you could just explain that the 96k difference there, yes, from the that's the budget of that um the office of sensors have um planned for fiscal year 27.

Um as a budget.

Um it's not to exceed the contract not to exceed 2025,000.

Um although we did utilize equalization credits for Wolverine Solutions for the R Detroit based Detroit headquartered business, and um they were the lowest responsible responsible bidder, and their prices are captured in the contract for how much they're gonna charge for uh each item that the office assessors need to be printed.

So the contract is really based off of um the amount is based off of the budget, but then the pricing is based off of what they did bid, and they're locked into those prices for each item.

Okay, thank you for that.

I I'm not sure if for my recollection uh this first time usually we may see that a contract says up to uh that amount.

Um so is the contract written for 225,000 or is it written for 128?

Through the chair, it is written for 225,000 dollars.

Not to exceed 20 to 25,000.

Okay.

And that's based on the office of assessors' annual budget.

Okay.

For the printing.

So they're they're really look at it as like uh a menu um that they'll be ordering.

Um we captured all of their numbers, their amounts for each item, and as we utilize those items, they will basically pay that price that they bid it on their total amount for all of our quantities came up to the 128,000.

But we're really locked them in on the prices, so the prices won't go up for the next year um for the items.

Okay, got it.

Um, all right, and then also on the joined by the assessor.

If you would like to come forward as well.

Good afternoon.

If you just want to state your name for the record, please.

Uh thank you.

Good afternoon, Mr.

Chairman of the committee.

Alvin Horn, Deputy CFO and Assessor for the City of Detroit.

All right, thank you.

Um, I don't know if you heard the question that I posed before, but I know Mr.

Jones gave an answer, but um just so you know, I had asked about the contract being for 225 K, but the bid coming in at 128K, so it was just asking about the difference in 96 in the 96k there.

But the answer that I got was that it is up to 225K because that is the budget amount, but just wanted to see if you want to add anything to that.

Um that is correct, sir.

Um it is up to that amount.

Um, there are other issues, there are other items that the assessor's office adds to the to the assessment notice, and that's the bulk of what that contract is for the city's assessment notices.

Uh for example, they're actually printing three different languages.

There's some consideration to doing it in Bangalese this year as well.

Uh, there are some other other things that we've been asked to add to that assessment notice.

So we we prepare a sum that we put to the side to cover those other things.

So it usually is a little bit more than what is in.

We're certainly not spending money that hasn't been appropriate, so I want to make clear about that.

It's it's it's funding that we have in our office, but there are things that are added to the assessment notices that we take that other funding to cover.

Gotcha.

Thank you.

And and another question on that, just so for folks to know on the the reason why we I know there's a we add translations, so one that folks can understand what their government is communicating to, but is this also a part of our language access ordinance?

Uh does this is this part of that connected to that?

It is connected to it, yes, sir.

Um several years ago, this honorable body actually asked the assessor's office, would it be possible to start seeing some of those things notices out in Spanish?

And we investigated it in eight cents.

We work with Corey on some of our partners, and for the last several years, I believe five years, the assessment notices and almost every other mailing from the assessors office goes out in English, Arabic, and Spanish.

Gotcha.

Um and one thing I would add to that is that we have gotten feedback from community members that um quite a few folks speak French as well.

So if you are to look into that, I don't know if you gotten any feedback on that, but just wanted to lift that up.

Uh we've we've gotten feedback from both French and English.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Vice Chair Johnson.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair, and good afternoon.

I do have a brief question relative to the property tax statement.

So the property tax statements just recently went out.

Do you are you not required to translate any portion of the property tax statement or bill that actually goes out?

I know I've seen the assessment that is translated into other languages, but the property tax bill itself.

Through the chair.

Got it.

Thank you.

So we'll ask the treasurer's office.

Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Member Ward is any questions.

Okay.

Um all right.

I think that's all on my end.

Is there a motion to approve 6.2?

Motion.

The motion to approve 6.2 dissent to formal with a recommendation to approve.

Any objections?

Seeing none.

That actually shall be taken.

Thank you both.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

All right.

That'll move us on to 6.3.

This is uh resolution authorizing contract number 6007928, 100% C D B G DR funding to provide internal auditing services.

The contractor's title based in government consultant LLC, located in Utica, New York.

Contract period is for one year.

Contract amount is $80,000 thirty dollars.

This is for the OCFO.

Um is there a motion to discuss motion?

It's been a motion to discuss 6.3.

Um I believe we have well, let me just make sure what who do we have on for 6.3.

We have Terry Daniels on.

Thank you, Miss Sullivan.

Um good afternoon.

If you just state your name for the record.

Good afternoon.

Terry Daniels, Deputy CFO, Director of Office of Devil Element and Grants.

Thank you, Deputy CFO.

Thank you for joining us.

Um, I just have a question here.

Um I'm looking at this.

Did we we did not receive any Michigan-based or Detroit-based firms for this or bids for this?

I will defer to OCP for that.

Um Title Basin is a um an auditing agency that uh specifically specializes in disaster recovery type uh contracts.

Um that is their specialty.

Um, but I will have to defer to OCP on um any of the other applicants if they were locally based.

The chair, we also have Elizabeth Johnson on.

All right, Mr.

Chair, they're being promoted now.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Elizabeth Ayana Johnson, Office of Contracting and Procurement.

Good afternoon.

Uh Ms.

Johnson, I'm not sure if you heard the question, um, but just wanted to know if there were any Detroit or Michigan-based firms considered for this uh contract.

Uh of the seven firms that submitted uh proposals for this opportunity, uh, there were no Detroit-based firms.

Um there was a firm uh that is from Michigan and had CRO certification.

Uh but as Ms.

Daniels indicated, we were looking for expertise in disaster recovery audits.

And of the firms that we reviewed title based and governmental consulting uh met all of the criteria that we were looking for.

Okay.

Thank you.

And a question on I know this is for to provide internal auditing services.

Can you go into how or either one of you go into how this contractor audit functions partner with the city's own auditor general given that the internal auditor title is being applied here?

Uh to the chair.

Yes.

As you know, we received a grant um from HUD last year for 346 million dollars.

So we're required to have this internal independent internal auditor.

Um specifically work on the DR project auditing, not only programmatic, but also W CFO, you cut out at the end there.

I'm sorry, my internet is a little shaky.

Um I don't know where I've stopped, but um, you know, we're required to have these audits um from an independent internal auditor, uh, independent from the city.

Okay.

So um our our internal auditor, um, auditor general um is still a part of the city, so this contract would be independent of the city.

Thank you.

Uh any further questions?

Vice Chair Johnson.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

You did ask the question that I was going to ask as it relates to any local firms.

Um Ms.

Daniels, can you speak to the work that they will actually do?

Will it essentially be them asking for information based on programs that have been set up utilizing CDBGDR and they're evaluating that?

Uh through the chair to council member Johnson.

So, yes, they will be auditing our um standard operating procedures.

They will be selecting um samples of payments that we make to contractors.

So they want to they are going to make sure that um we are meeting all the criteria um as outlined in HUD regulations so that you know there are no you know findings, um no waste, fraud, and abuse that have been identified, so it's um it's it's really for our own protection and the the grant pays for it.

Thank you for that.

And do they also work to ensure that how the uh city identified they were going to utilize the funds that they're actually utilized for that they won't so much as look at um how we came about our projects?

That's something that the HUP field office would monitor us on and how we selected our projects.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Member Warders.

Um good afternoon.

Just um a quick question.

What other um cities or or local municipalities have they work with?

Uh through the chair uh to council member waters.

Um this would be our second time around with them, but they work with state of Michigan.

Um they also work with all of the they work with FEMA headquarters.

Um they've worked with many other states and localities um in the country.

Right now they're doing a project in Hawaii.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you, Member Waters.

Any further questions?

All right, is there a motion on 6.3 motion to approve?

Motion to approve 6.3 and sent to formal with recommendation to approve.

Uh any objections?

Seeing none that actually shall be taken.

Thank you, both.

Thank you.

And I've deputy CFO, you would be on with us for the next one as well.

Uh 6.4 is a resolution authorizing reprogramming amendment to the community development block grant CDBG and your action plan for fiscal years 2019 for 2020 and 2025 through 2026.

Is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

There's been a motion to discuss.

And I know we have the deputy CFO and also Nicole Weiss.

And do we also have Tamar Harder Hardy?

Yes.

Hello, Mr.

Chair.

Nicole Weiss, uh Deputy Director for Office of Development and Grants.

Thank you.

And um the chair, this is Tamara Fontaine Hardy.

I am the director of the neighborhood services and economic development divisions in HHSS.

Thank you, Director.

Anyone else?

Warren Duncan.

Yeah.

Thank you, Chair Warren Duncan.

I am the grants manager for Office of Development and Grants.

Thank you, Mr.

Duncan.

All right.

Um for folks, I know we we got a few questions during public comment, but if someone can just give a general overview on the reprogram and what is being reprogrammed and where is it going?

Sure.

Um, Mr.

Chair, I can start and then uh if Director Duncan can assist me uh if I miss anything, but uh right now you're looking at funds from uh the community development block grant program that are uh need to be spent by September 30th of this year.

Um there are six items uh where funds were not spent and they need to be reprogrammed into activities that may be able to spend.

Uh to give a little bit of background, I know there was a question, um public comment about where those items were coming from.

Um as you can imagine, 2019 um we uh our 2019 program year, 2020 fiscal year is when we uh were faced with the pandemic.

And so at that time, uh this was prior to the city receiving any CARES funding um in response to COVID activities.

Uh we worked with HUD to reprogram a substantial amount, I think around six million to help fund uh some public service activities and some other activities to help serve our residents through the initial part of the pandemic.

Um so pandemic started in March, and June is when we actually received our CARES funding, and at that time a lot of the uh COVID uh activities that we just we began funding uh changed over to those uh C D BG C V funding uh sources, and so you see some balances here remaining from uh items that were identified during that reprogramming in an attempt to um serve our residents in response to um to COVID.

Um, and then you also have two items.

There's the summer jobs public service program, um, and we have the uh section 108 loans.

You know, we have uh we have paid off our section 108 loans and uh have no longer uh need the the budget for the defeasance, uh and then the summer jobs program that we uh we fund a part a portion with our CDBG dollars.

Um there is some additional requirements in order for us to fund the youth summer jobs, the GDYT program with CDBG because it is a public service, um, and that includes that DESC works with um at that time staff and HRD, but now staff in HHFS to identify uh local nonprofits in the NRSA areas so that they are eligible expenses.

Um and back in 2019, um the DESC uh and HRD uh started ramping up to try to identify CDOs to help uh CBDOs to help spend the funding, um but in 2019 they did struggle to set to spend it all.

It was uh they received 1.5 and there was 45,000 um that we were unable to tie back to the NRSA area specifically.

Um, and so that's like a high-level um uh summary of where the funds are coming from.

Um and we have identified uh the Piety Hill project as a project that may will close in time for us to spend our funds.

Um we need to be able to draw those funds in the beginning of September so that we can uh have them into the HUD system by the end of September for the deadline.

And I'll turn it over to Warren or Tamara if you guys have anything else that you'd like to add.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Okay.

Uh any questions from members of the committee?

Vice Chair Johnson.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair, and good afternoon.

Can you all help us understand the timing of this?

This is fiscal year 2019-2020.

So we still have the funds to be able to reprogram.

Help us to understand that.

Yes.

So actually, Mr.

Duncan, do you want to talk a little bit about the reprogramming process?

Yes.

Through the chair to uh member Johnson.

Yes, the reprogramming process is how we based on HUD regulations, we have to uh rec reprogram funds through its process as have a 30-day comment period and any county amendments we have to advertise and get approval for council.

And so these funds are sitting in our line of credit in our 2019.

So their funds, the funds are available, and that we identify and so um to get these funds spent so we won't send any funds back to HUD.

We uh perform this process as a uh reprogramming amendment.

Okay, so the community engagement process has already taken place.

Um is it can you help me to understand why these dollars have not been used prior to now uh through the chair to member Johnson?

Umce we a lot of times what we do every year, since we have seven years to spend it, we do an internal audit on items balances that's uh left and like uh um Nicole uh explained to like things do happen where these funds um have residual balances, and so uh every year we kind of look in our our our uh internal um uh balances in our line of credit and and a lot of the activities we determine um what's funds are available, and so through this process we try to uh reprogram items that have uh minimal balances left.

Okay, thank you.

And um, Ms.

Wise did mention Section 108, which I understand those dollars have already been repaid, so there are dollars left.

Um I understand the summer jobs program.

So the other four agencies, so I don't know that they're agencies, but focus hope, um Warren County Development Coalition, which is in District 4, and neighborhood legal services, Wayne County.

Um would is there a reason that these entities would not be able to utilize the dollars for um the continued work that they do?

Yes, uh, through the chair to councilwoman councilwoman Johnson.

So at this time, at this time, all of these contracts have expired and their purchase orders have been closed.

Um, so these entities are no longer asking or invoicing against the projects that they originally contracted for.

And did they have an opportunity to presumably apply for um those dollars to be reallocated to programs that they currently do?

So my understanding, I'm sorry, through the chair uh to councilwoman Johnson.

Uh of course, this is uh uh it's been a while since we went through the COVID process, but um again, my understanding is that a lot of these agencies were awarded in an attempt to assist with uh COVID-related activities, and so when they when we did receive the CDBG CARES funding, I think we received about 20 million dollars that following June.

Um it we the concentration of serving residents through CDBG was switched to C V, and a lot of these organizations saw CV contracts at that time.

Um so if they didn't have uh most of them are you know they have I think 90 days from the end of their contract to uh to spend any incurred funds during their contract period, uh, and then for the public service uh NOF process if there are reprogram funds um going into that process uh council would see them every year.

The problem is is that we are at suck at the cap every year, so it doesn't continue forward like we we don't have 15 percent this year or this year, it's in one year, and so we have to be mindful when we're reprogramming uh dollars back into public services that we're not exceeding that cap.

Okay, and I believe my last question is still just trying to go back to um how the Piety Hill project was selected to benefit from um these remaining funds.

Was there an NOF that was provided that folks any of these entities may have applied for?

So the uh Piety Hill project is a uh development project.

It goes through the housing and revitalization department's um NOFA, their uh notice of funding availability.

Um, and so that would not have been a public service, that would have been for affordable housing.

Um, and what we're looking at for is in terms of uh spend timeline is identifying projects that we know can spend in time um by September 30th, and Piety Hill is the project that will close uh we're estimating in August, and they'll be able to immediately draw down the 419 for pre-development costs.

Okay, got that.

So I think I'm having a bit of a challenge with the fact that they were public service dollars.

Um, at some point in time they were shifted to um affordable housing or whatever category you just mentioned.

How is it that um Piety Hill was awarded?

Were there were other folks that bid on trying to access these dollars through the process?

So through the chair, it's a member Johnson.

Um I think uh I understand your question.

So we wouldn't have been able to add additional public service dollars into our budget this year because we're already at the max.

So what we did was um review projects that could potentially spend within the timeline that we had as far as the selection of Piety Hill versus other affordable development how uh housing projects.

I know I see uh Rebecca Labov on, and she can answer some more specifics about Piety Hill.

Good afternoon.

I'm Rebecca Labove, Housing and Revitalization.

The Piety Hill project had applied through a competitive NOFA um for affordable housing a couple of years back and is now ready to close.

So there was already a CDBG award for that project.

Um so the swap is essentially just using a different uh funding year given the expiration of those funds.

So it was not um sort of newly selected to receive CDBG for the affordable housing development.

So thank you for that.

So that means that um they have been awarded funding for a subsequent year, but they will not receive funding for a subsequent year, and instead they're going to utilize the remaining funds from this 2019-2020 fiscal year.

Yes, that is correct through the chair, that is correct.

And in future reprogrammings, council will see um will make decisions on where those funds will be used.

The original allocation for Piety Hill.

Yes, correct.

Okay.

Can can someone help me to understand the shift though from public services to affordable housing.

How is that determination made?

Uh through the chair to councilwoman Johnson.

So the determination is made off of because of the expiration date on these funds and the public service cap.

So those are the two critical things here.

We can't add additional dollars into public services because we're already at our 15% cap, and we have to look at projects that will spend in Piety Hill is already scheduled to close in August, which will help us meet our deadline for expenditures.

So within that, I understand the public service cap, but there are other categories that where dollars could have been shifted, right?

Yes, but they would have to have spent in by the September date.

So any other projects that would need that would be able to use the funds would have to be able to demonstrate that they could um spend those funds by the um September 30th date.

Okay, and I I assume HRD um made that the decision to shift it to affordable housing because they're aware of the project, the Piety Hill project, and they knew that they could spend the dollars by that deadline.

Yes, so this was a coordination, excuse me, I'm sorry, through the chair to councilwoman Johnson.

Yes, this was decision was made looking at projects that are currently funded and which projects across uh HHFS and HRD that could spend CDBG C D BG dollars the quickest, and Piety Hill is the project that was able to spend within our timeline um just based upon need and uh like Miss LeBeau stated earlier, it's not uh adding funds to the project, we're just reducing their 20, I believe it's 2021 funds, and those will come in a future reprogramming to go to other projects.

Understood, and I'm not picking on Piety Hill.

I know the work that they that um Central Detroit Christian does and um everything the the relationship that they have with the city.

I'm just really trying to understand this, which is something that um I think I've talked about on other projects.

Um something similar that came to us, I think we voted on last Tuesday, um, was how uh these opportunities are made available for other entities, right?

So um it sounds like there there was a pre-existing relationship.

I'm sure there are other relationships with um service providers or um organizations doing affordable housing.

I just always come to the question of how anyone is selected um to receive funds, or if there is another entity that perhaps is working on a project um trying to complete their project and could have utilized the funds.

I get that you know they were awarded for a future year, and we're trying to ensure that we're not sending any dollars back to the federal government.

I'm just wondering how many other entities may be in progress with a project that may be looking to um conclude that project but may need those resources sooner than later so the project can close and be done, um, and how we go through the selection process or to identify which entity receives these reallocated dollars.

Yeah, um through the chair.

A project that was not already in our pipeline, having gone through an application and been scored and selected by the committee, and um, you know, in this case, that this project has even been previously approved by council for for that funding.

Any other project would it would not have had the time to come in through our application process because we we don't want any kind of selection of funding for projects to be um discretionary, it it still comes through the competitive process for affordable housing, and so you know we don't we don't have an open NOFA right now.

Um it they're open in January and July, and so any project that we recommend to city council for affordable housing funding has already been through that process, and it's not fast.

You know, we we we're not a good last-minute funding source for anybody working on a development project, given that after they receive our award, they'll have to go through environmental review and assemble all of their other funding sources, you know, get all of their permits and um and approvals.

So um typically, you know, we're not able to come in at the last minute to kind of help a project get over the finish line.

Um, but you know, we would certainly encourage anyone um who you know is listening to this and has a development project to consider our our next NOFA, which is gonna be open at the end of July, and we'll be you know doing a new round of scoring um for anybody looking to develop and preserve affordable housing.

Thank you for that, and I apologize if I didn't um clearly articulate understanding what you just stated.

Um my question is more along the lines of so we've had NOFAs that have uh been awarded since 2020, fiscal year 2019-2020, right?

So we have folks that uh maybe lined up that are in progress doing projects who um I guess we could have determined in communication with them that they could have utilized the funding to complete a project sooner than an award year where they've received funding.

I again am just trying to understand if whether it's a an affordable housing project or any other category that CDBG funds, if there were other entities that could have benefited from utilizing these dollars and how the selection process was.

But anyway, all right, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Okay.

Thank you, Victor Johnson.

Appreciate that uh member waters.

Yeah, I hear you, Member Johnson.

You kept trying to pull it out.

I just said so.

Thank you for for all of your detailed uh questions because I was thinking the same thing perhaps that could have been more due diligence done in order to determine whether other organizations um would qualify for this project to receive those dollars.

So um given uh that member Johnson has gone way down that line, there's no need for me to go back down there.

I just want to ask you how do you plan to track uh this to ensure that Pidey Hill spends it and spends it in a timely manner?

I mean, you know, I know you have a lot of projects going on at the same time, so how are we gonna make sure even and we're giving it to them now?

So how are we gonna track it?

How are we gonna document it?

Um, through the chair to council member waters.

We have weekly closing triage meetings for projects that have received awards from the city and are moving towards closing.

We work with the law department um to check up on the project status and address any issues that might arise during the last week, and then there are also closing calls that are going on with the developer and their other funders.

So our underwriting team is tracking this project very closely and moving them towards their closing date, which right now is projected uh for August 15th.

And following that, we'll you know, certainly work in coordination with OCFO to um get those dollars out timely.

I am curious, have you missed any deadlines in the past?

Uh through the chair, so member waters.

My understanding is no, we have not returned money in the past to HUD uh related to time uh timely expenditures.

Okay, all right.

Well, I like that.

I appreciate that.

Um just just one last question.

Is it standard that those deadlines for HUD is generally when you receive those CDBG dollars?

I get tongue tag when I say it.

Um is it basically always seven years or sometimes longer, sometimes shorter?

What's the standard?

Time for spending.

Um, but there are different timelines for other HUD funding.

So um, for instance, CDBGDR is a six-year uh program, uh, depending on this the date of the grant agreement.

Um, but our regular CDBG has uh a program year that aligns with our fiscal years, and so it is uh seven years from the beginning of that that program year.

And how how soon do you have to encumber those dollars once you receive them?

Um I get that you're reprogramming these, but is what's the timeline for when they first when the dollars first come in?

Can you just kind of walk us through that uh through the chair to member waters?

Uh yes, so there's not a particular encumbrance deadline for each program year.

Um what CD, what the driver is behind spend for CDBG is the timeliness test that we see every May 2nd.

Um and this council uh often sees uh in the past they've seen reprogramming generally twice a year from HRD to move funds to programs that will likely spend faster to meet that timeliness test.

What the timeliness test is that the city cannot have more than one and a half times its annual allocation in its line of credit every May 2nd.

So if you look at our annual allocation for this year, we cannot have more than one and a half times that amount sitting in our line of credit.

So there's always a need to um when we're identifying projects um and working with project managers, understanding when they'll be able to encumber how quickly they can spend um because uh as a team, everybody you know is working responsibly to spend to meet that timeliness goal.

Okay, all right.

Well, thanks for explaining that.

Thank you, Ms.

Chairman.

Thank you, Member Waters.

And um just one last question for me, and you probably have covered it in um somewhat, but just so I'm clear.

Um thinking about you know, thinking about the need when we do reprogram when we get to I'm just thinking about when we get to 2020 and 2021 um and the need to reprogram those dollars.

I would assume that we have a view of what those dollars are currently.

Is there a way that we could out like reprogram earlier in the year so that we could find more um projects that may be able to spend uh by the end of September for 2027?

Yes, Mr.

Chair, um our team right now, our operations team.

Uh we just uh transfer transitioned from HRD into OCFO, and that team is actually already looking at the 2020 numbers.

Um, and this council will likely see a rope reprogramming in the fall to help with uh some of those adjustments for and especially for timeliness.

Gotcha.

Okay, thank you.

Um any further questions?

Is there a motion on 6.4 motion to approve?

It's been a motion to approve 6.4 and sent to formal with a recommendation to approve.

Uh any objections.

Seeing none that actually shall be taken.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

Thank you.

That will move us on to the agenda.

Um from the office of City Clerk and Sydney Planning Commission.

Um before we go to 6.5, is there a motion to remove 6.6?

This is a duplicate.

So a motion to remove 6.6 from the agenda.

See no objections that actually shall be taken.

So for 6.5.

This is a resolution authorizing the neighborhood enterprise zone certificate application for the construction of a new single family house at 4128 4th Street in the mid-town neighborhood enterprise zone area.

Uh is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

All right.

Uh thank you.

There's been a motion to discuss 6.5, and I believe we have Mr.

Gulag on with us.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair Chris Gulak, CPC staff.

Uh, we're also joined by the petitioner Ted Witten, who is on the screen as well.

All right.

Mr Witton, if you can just uh introduce yourself for the record.

Yeah, good afternoon, Mr.

Chair, fellow council members.

Uh my name is Ted Witten, and my wife and I purchased the lot at 4128 Fourth Street last October, and we are in the process of designing and hope to have completed a new primary residence for us uh at that location by next June.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Witten.

Thank you for joining us.

Um and I will turn it back over to Mr.

Gulat.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh permission to show a brief uh slideshow regarding the request.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Uh yes, this is uh uh city clerk forward to our office a certain NEZ certificate request, and we we submitted a report with a resolution for your consideration.

The property shown as the red dot on the screen, it's in the midtown area on the east side of 4th Street between Alexandria and Willis, just east of the lodge.

Zooming in closer.

Um this block has a lot of vacancy, but there's uh been quite a few requests to build new housing on this block.

This shows the current block.

I believe there's uh three other houses separate requests being built on this block as well.

This is in the Midtown NEZ created by council back in 1999.

That original quote requested 86 acres, and it's shown as this green box on the uh screen.

This was to encourage the rehab and new construction of housing in midtown.

Well the property is stated was is vacant, it's owned two family residential.

The petitioner is here today.

Is he and his wife are proposing to uh build a new single family house for as their future primary primary residence?

I believe the petitioner is relocating for California, but he could clarify that later.

They selected a general contractor, Robert Orf, I believe is a Detroit-based contractor and owner of Wicklow Windows and Weatherization.

Um the developer, the petitioner submitted some information.

They they plan to they want to construct a new two-family house with two stories, four bedrooms, and three bathrooms.

And in our report, we give this table that they provided.

It would be about 3100 square feet.

There'd be no basement, four bedrooms, and they indicate the cost to build is a little less than 700,000.

Regarding parking, they would have a rear attached garage and a parking pad in the in the back access by the alley.

And then lastly, regarding accessibility, they indicated it although it's a single family house, the petitioner does um indicates the proposed house, is ADA compliant.

The first floor is a bedroom and full bath that are wheelchair accessible.

The petitioner's not installing an outdoor ramp.

They indicate one could easily be added.

And they did submit some plans.

This shows the um the uh site plan for the project.

It's a long rectangular box.

Um it shows the front of it.

The architect is three squared, I believe.

Um they're also proposing some energy saving features as well.

You can see there is one step up here the front um at the front of the house.

Uh, this shows the side with the windows.

And then there's a deck on the back, I believe.

Yeah.

So the staff has confirmed it is in an NEZ zone.

Staff was recommended approval and a resolution submitted for your consideration.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

And Mr.

Witten, would you like to add anything further?

Um, yeah, just maybe perhaps the reason why we're we're moving and purchase a lot.

We live currently in California, but our son and daughter-in-law are residents of city of Detroit, and they just had uh their first child, our first grandchild, and we are moving as we're getting ready to retire to the city to be close to family.

Oh, great.

Well, congratulations on your first grandchild.

All right, thank you.

Absolutely.

Any questions from the committee?

No questions.

Uh oh.

Well, all right.

So thank you.

What about um energy efficient um features?

Uh yes, council member.

We are uh using three squared, and we selected them as the architect because that's uh their specialization.

So the construction of the house has got passive solar heat.

Um it's designed to maximize um light and and and solar benefits during the winter and shade during the the summer months.

The walls are highly insulated as well as the windows, so um it'll be very energy efficient uh construction.

That's nice.

I like that.

Uh I could probably use that in mind.

So, how long you plan to reside in the home?

We plan to move in uh if it's ready by June 1st of 2027, and that will be our only residence, and we'll be living there full time.

Okay, for a long period of time or short time.

Like I said, this is our retirement home.

Or retirement.

Okay, I got you.

Yeah, and we are uh yeah, our family's not looking to leave Detroit, so we want to be there close.

Well, thank you.

I'm I'm I'm glad you're here.

Yeah, thank you.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you, uh, Member Waters.

And I just wanted to uh don't have any further questions.

I would just say thank you for um considering ADA um being ADA compliant and also considering first floor uh bear rooms and bow goes there as well.

Um I think I oh Vice Chair Johnson.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Um and congratulations on your grandchild, Mr.

Witten.

Um I am curious to know does your family live in this community that you'll be where you'll be building the house.

They currently rent in Woodbridge.

Um their intentions, they're still saving money, they're young, but they uh they intend to either buy a home or buy a lot to build at some point uh when they've got the you know the the wherewithal to do so.

Got it.

Um and I am curious about the one step.

Uh is there a reason that you didn't have it just be a ramp that you could just walk into where you can just walk right into the house, especially since there is no basement Yeah, it's it's really for um considering drainage and everything, you know, we do get some severe storms.

Um so sorry, I'm I'm a civil engineer by background, so I I can't help go there.

So it's pretty common to have a few inches um between ground surface and the the first floor for that reason.

Um, but that is not a challenge that can't be um easily overmounted by installing a ramp uh at some future point, and that would apply to not only the front step but from the garage into the main floor of the house.

There's a step.

Yeah.

In the back.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Um I'm just actually no, I'm I'm sorry, in it would be from getting into the garage, but you could actually take a wheelchair directly from the garage into the house without a step.

Got it.

Okay.

All right, thank you for that.

And um I totally understand about the uh drainage and and making sure that everything is um sloped away from the house and nothing going towards the house.

Um I also injured my knee earlier this year and um had difficulties walking up and down the stairs in my house, and so um we have a resident who calls in frequently who talks about any of us could become um disabled at any time.

And it's something once I injured my knee, it's something that um I've started to think about even in my own home.

And so I the the mayor has a vision to build a thousand homes in um the next within the next four years, and and I really truly am advocating that they be ranches with zero step.

Um just because you never know when you may become disabled.

And it's a lot easier to add components inside of the house than it is for the structure of the house.

And so I was just curious to know um why you had even considered the one step instead of uh just a a ramp that would slightly you know raise to get you inside of the house without having to step up.

I thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you, Vice Chair Johnson.

Uh any further questions you know, uh Mr.

Chairman.

Member Waters.

I just want to say to uh Member Johnson, she is not the only one that's been advocating for ranch styles.

We we cannot, we must not put our seniors specifically in any more high rises.

I just don't want to see any more bill, period.

So we are certainly on the same page that there's two of us.

What about you, Mr.

Chairman?

I'm there with you too.

I can't I'm there too.

No, I think I I um I would say that as we are even with thinking about the pre-approved concepts or the pre-approved plans.

Um I I definitely hope the administration is working on ranch styles for that as well.

Um for that.

Mr.

Chair, if I may chair Johnson.

Um, thank you for that.

And the reason I have suggested that, and I know we've had the accessibility conversation.

Um and I know many times when projects projects come before this committee, we ask about accessibility.

Yeah.

Um, when I started to think about it and thinking about and looking at our infrastructure throughout the city, we have beautiful homes without a doubt.

But when you think about how many ranches we have in the city, when you think about um how you retrofit accessibility into houses, it's very expensive.

It's very expensive.

And so just even trying to provide for um folks that have needs for accessibility today because we're always trying to encourage um developers or landlords who are rehabbing houses to do it now.

I get that it's costly.

Um, so I think we need to just consider our entire population and make sure that we start with that.

Absolutely.

For these 1,000 houses.

You can you and and I mean it doesn't have to be a ranch, right?

You could do a second story, but there certainly should be a bedroom and a bathroom on the main floor.

Absolutely.

Um so it was just thinking about what we currently have in the city, and it's it's difficult to find.

It is there.

Yes, yes, for sure.

Thank you, Vice Chair Johnson.

Thank you, Member Waters.

Um, I have no further questions on 6.5.

Is there a motion?

Motion to approve.

There's been a motion to approve 6.5 and sent to formal or recommendation to approve.

Any objections?

Seeing none, that actually shall be taken.

Thank you, Mr.

Gulart.

Thank you, Mr.

Witten.

Um best of luck on your move to Michigan, and please do enjoy your grandchild.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Take care.

All right.

Um that will move us on to we have removed 6.6 from the agenda.

Um that'll move us on to items under miss miscellaneous.

This is 6.7, a memorandum from member miller's office relative to the taxes owed on the Gastomunas property.

Is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

It's been a motion to discuss 6.7.

Mr.

Corley, any uh update on anything that you need on 6.7.

Um, looking at the memo from Consumer Miller, she's referring us to um corporation counsel.

Gotcha.

All right, attorney Hill.

Good afternoon to this honorable body and to the chair.

I am under I'm I believe that this was dated July 9th.

If that is accurate, then it has been presented to the law department for review, and I'm waiting to see what updates they are gonna provide in regards to that.

Okay.

Um is there a motion to bring about 6.7 in one week?

Motion.

The motion to bring back 6.7 in one week.

Any objections?

Seeing none, that action shall be taken.

And for 6.8 is from Member Waters, a memo uh relative to the request for a list of grant opportunities for Detroit community organizations.

Thank you for that.

Um is there a motion to this or we've been I've deferred to you, Member Waters, but we've been asked to bring this back after recess on September 9th, but I'll defer to you.

Okay, motion the motion to bring back 6.8 uh on September 9th.

See no objections that action shall be taken.

6.9.

Um it's also from member waters a memo relative to the request for analysis of Speaker Hall's proposed property tax legislation.

Um and is there a motion to discuss?

Motion.

Uh member waters, I would defer to you and LPD on this one.

Okay, LPD, Mr.

Chairman to you.

Mr.

Corley.

Thank you.

Um, Mr.

Chair.

So um the request was was for LPD to provide an analysis on how Speaker Matt Hall's proposed property tax legislation.

And um, as council may know, that legislation uh did not go through from the prior um state of state of Michigan budget that was passed um around July 3rd or so.

Um and so that legislation has filled through.

However, there's new legislation that's very similar.

So um speakers hall's um property tax legislation was to eliminate the six mil state education tax on all properties and repeal the state real estate uh transfer tax and eliminate the personal property tax on business business equipment together, these would have created a hole in the school aid fund budget of around four billion dollars.

Um that bill was to uh hopefully realize a $900 annual saving to the average Michigan homeowner.

So that fell through.

However, in June, um House House Bill 5873 was introduced, and this would again look to eliminate the six mil state education tax and the state real estate transfer tax.

It did not include repealing of the personal property tax.

This would create about a three billion dollar um hole in this um school day fund.

And so this bill, House Bill 5873 is tie-barred to House Bill 5880, and that would create a six percent, a new six percent sales tax on targeted luxury, um, non-essential and AI related services.

So it would be a service um type um situation where the six percent six percent tax would be uh assessed to.

Um and so Mr.

Chair, we can analyze you know those bills since they just came out.

And so if council wishes, uh if if council member um waters could kindly um give us a new memo asking us to analyze, if you wish, analyze House Bill 5873 and House Bill 5880, which again are very similar to uh Speaker Hall's proposed property tax legislation that did not go through from the budget process.

Do you show the name of the person who introduced this, please?

Yes.

Um representative uh Steve Frisby.

See who?

Yeah, okay.

Yep, okay on what side.

All right, yeah.

Okay.

We'll do that, Mr.

Corley.

Okay, Mr.

Chairman.

Do we need to make a motion from the table or just uh yeah?

I'll make the motion, then I follow up with a memo.

All right, there's been a there's been a motion made to add uh uh analysis for House Bill 5873 and 5880 um to this line item for 6.9.

Any objections to to amend it, I guess to amend it to add a considerable analysis for 5873 and 5880.

All right.

Okay.

See no objections that action shall be taken.

And member waters will follow up and written memo.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

That'll say the chair.

Yes.

Being that this will be added.

It hasn't moved anywhere.

So are we going to bring this back in a week or two?

Okay.

Is there uh Mr.

Crowley?

How long do you think you need for with that being amended?

Well, certainly after recess.

Yes, uh, that's that's that's two for September 9th.

All right.

Is there a motion to bring back 6.9 on September 9th?

Motion.

All right, it's been a motion made to bring back 6.9 on September 9th.

Seeing no objections, that action shall be taken.

Thank you.

All right.

Now move us on to member reports.

Uh member waters.

No report.

No report.

Vice Chair Johnson.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Just want to share with District 4 residents that we do have a wellness expo coming up on Saturday, July 25th, from 10 10 a.m.

until 2 p.m.

at the Samaritan Center, the Wellness Center at 5555 Connor Street.

We are collaborating with two organizations within the district to make sure that we're bringing health and wellness to our residents, meeting them where they are.

We're going to have a fun time, a good time, and also make sure we're on top of our wellness.

So we will be collaborating with Destin Destined for Greatness as well as Redeem Detroit.

So looking forward to having everyone come out Saturday, July 25th, between 10 a.m.

and 2 p.m.

at the Samaritan Center's Wellness Center at 5555 Connor.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you, Vice Chair Johnson.

And for myself, just a reminder for D7 residents that we would be having our monthly meeting next Thursday, July 23rd at 6 p.m.

It will be virtual.

We'll have folks joining us from the planning department to talk about the next steps in the master plan.

We've sent it out in our e-newsletter, but you can call our office at 313-224-2151, and we'll get you that information.

All right.

That's it for me.

Seeing no further business before this committee is there a motion to adjourn.

This committee stays adjourned.

Thank you all.