Progress progress.

Yes, exactly.

And uh of course, as you know, uh last month we celebrated, we had a wow award presentation here.

Uh thanks uh uh to you as the commissioners and we were able to celebrate that, and it's been one of the things that the the board does and is supposed to be doing is tasked with.

Um but one of the uh the issues uh is has been really the membership and more importantly, uh the qualified membership um that is actually required by the statute.

Um which this board has been uh in existence uh since uh I believe 19 uh 78.

Uh and so uh but we are we are lacking the the professional expertise uh for this board and we would love to see uh the mission of this board to continue.

And so uh this is the purpose of our communication.

So if according to your communication, the board should consist of 25 members, and you only have five.

So shame on us, Commission, that we need to pay more attention and see if we can recruit some people who would be.

I know this is could be a fun board, and it's um given the right mix of people.

So um I hear you, we all hear you.

So uh let us do a better job, hopefully by the uh the first part of the year we can start nominating some more people to the board.

I would appreciate that.

And just in bringing the uh again, just the the to the attention is also realizing that this may not be the only board that may be struggling, and so we would love to see continue to be citywide engagement and uh so that we can continue to support the efforts and support you uh as a commission and also the city is.

We appreciate all the good work that you do, dude.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Before you move from the mic, um, good afternoon, and thank you for what you're doing currently.

Thank you.

Um I'm gonna ask if you would um for the room and for the record.

Um we know what the requirements are, but if you could share um what you said um expertise or on what it is that we should be looking for, and maybe we can tickle some ears that's in the room and get some volunteers.

Yeah, I that'd be great.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Uh yeah, according to the ordinance, um uh there are a specific uh number of types of professions that is supposed to help staff this board.

Uh we are looking for uh licensed architects, uh people who are in the real team uh realtor business, um perhaps even uh those who are even arborists, as a matter of fact.

Uh anyone that would be within the profession of that would know anything about building codes and constructing an architect because it's all about attractiveness and sense of taste as well, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, and that the the board is currently uh is currently being uh uh ran by uh eager community members and those who who of course want to participate in the in the process, and we are grateful for our appointments and uh but we are here to support and stand with the city.

Thank you.

Chris, Ted, no?

Yeah, okay.

Tell your commissioner you want to be on uh you want to be on the community appearance board.

Mayor I I have a question for Sophia actually.

If is Sophia here?

Sophia, are you here?

She is the uh I think staff liaison.

So uh and I I know that we've been reading this in other boards and committees as well, where as Matthew said, we're struggling with some of these uh boards and committees reaching quorum.

Have we ever taken a look at all of our boards and committees and maybe done an exercise where we could consolidate maybe maybe there is an overlap in uh mission statements and enabling legislation.

Maybe there's a way uh that would obviously help alleviate you know the pressure of getting a quorum with a lot of them.

But I'm starting to read this more and more with at least three, four, five boards and committees that are struggling.

Just wondering if we have taken that uh step in doing an exercise like that.

Uh Sophia Alley from the Office of Strategic Communications, I'm the manager.

Um I have not personally done anything like that, but in speaking to the board and looking at what we communicate out to the public.

Um some of the boards that we could look at as maybe the arts and public places board and sustainability and joining those forces.

Um, but we have not done anything in looking at it as a whole.

Okay, I just thought maybe there was room for consolidation if there's an overlap in any of the missions.

That's the one.

There could be.

I I think there is room for that.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor.

Okay.

Thank you, Sophia.

All right.

Let us move on to the second communication.

This is from the audit advisory board.

Um is there anybody here from that board?

I noticed at the last meeting there were more staff people than there were board members.

Yeah, well, typically.

Are we having another uh crisis there?

No, not necessarily crisis.

Good afternoon, everyone, Mayor, Commissioners Linda Short, Director of Finance.

I'm here to speak on behalf of the chairman of the board.

Um we were bringing forth this action initially to seek um appointment of a new auditor because of the increased pricing and some um inflation factors.

They wanted to increase the contract price, and we could not due to the how the terms of the old contract was.

But they've decided to let the price stay as it is as contracted, so there's no need for this action anymore.

Oh never mind.

I'm happy, yes.

All right, thank you.

No problem.

But are we also missing people?

I see there's all there are only four people.

Yes.

Um we did have one person drop off the board.

Umone from the Vice Mayor Herb's district um dropped off the board at the end of last meeting.

So we are missing one person.

Just one person.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

You hear that, Vice Mayor?

Okay.

Tickle some ears.

All right.

Um we're on to business one.

Presentation of a proposed living seawall permit fee assistance program.

City manager.

We have Chief Waterway Officer Marco Aguilera presenting.

Marco.

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners.

As I wait for the presentation to load, um I am very excited to be bringing this before you guys today.

I think it's coming at the appropriate time.

Um as you'll see later on in the presentation, many of uh other cities in the region are also adopting similar programs.

All right.

Uh living seawalls.

Uh living seawalls are shoreline protection structures uh that mimic natural habitats and offer a sustainable and environmentally conscious approach to coastal management by providing more uh than just a tidal barrier.

Uh they're providing habitat enhancement, biodiversity support, an overall water quality improvement, as well as enhanced aesthetic value for communities.

Incentivizing living seawalls does a couple of things.

Um it advances to FY26 commission priorities, uh, being advancing infrastructure and resiliency uh as well as public enjoyment of waterways, and that would be through uh improving overall water quality.

The proposed initiative uh establishes an assistance program that would pay the base permit fees uh for residents or property owners uh when installing a qualifying living seawall.

Uh the established dedicated fund as proposed at $50,000 uh would support the program on a first come, first served basis.

Uh the program would also expedite the permitting process for the installation of the living seawalls and encourage installation of a living seawall by providing a financial incentive that also enhances the environment.

Uh as I mentioned earlier, some regional examples.

Uh as you can see on the chart, the city of Fort Lauderdale's base permit fees are 1.75% of the job cost value, while other cities in the area that are also looking at implementing this program have higher uh base permit fees.

Uh, North Bay Village at 2%, uh City of Miami Beach at 1.7 or 1.9, depending whether it's residential or commercial, and Coral Gables, same thing, too, or two and a half percent.

Um as you'll see, uh City of North Bay Village has uh adopted a 40% permit fee discount or rebate.

Uh and the City of Coral Gables has done 25%.

City of Miami Beach doesn't have a uh number in there because they're right now they are considering a 50%, but it has not been formally adopted yet.

So this assistance criteria, property owners that are wishing to utilize the assistance program would have to meet the following criteria.

They'd be planning to install a living seawall for over 50% of the linear length of the seawall.

The seawall must be brought to the latest NAVD elevation as required by the city code.

Uh and the living seawall must meet the definition that will be established as we move forward through the process.

So the program overview, both residential and commercial properties can apply for the program.

This is throughout the entire city, not just certain areas of the city.

Uh and we will uh cover 100% of the base permit fee up to the maximum for residential $3,500 and for commercial property $7,000.

Um like I said, this is throughout the entire city, uh, and it's on a first come, first serve basis.

So our next steps uh in this would be to hopefully implement this in the spring of 2026.

Uh what we're looking for today is feedback on the initial funding amount for the program of $50,000, as well as a maximum discount for residential at $3,500 and commercial at $7,000.

Uh and we will move forward with stakeholder outreach going before the Marine Advisory Board, Sustainability Advisory Board for feedback as well, and then coming back to commission for approval and a resolution to establish the program.

Great.

I think this is excellent.

Thank you for putting this program together.

Anyone have any questions with Marco?

Yeah, Mayor, if I could.

Um this is something I've been working real closely with uh with Marco and stakeholders uh around our waterways, invest in our waterways.

Um so living seawalls just as kind of Marco captured uh promote marine life, adherence to the seawalls, oysters, um fish.

It's fantastic.

They have a um uh very um positive outcome from a pH uh impact uh uh to the waterways, which is phenomenal.

And Marco, correct me if I'm wrong, but the city of Fort Lauderdale would be the first city in the state, I don't know, maybe even nationwide, to offer a hundred percent discount.

That is correct.

There is no one that's offering a 100%, and and again, just to clarify, it's just the base permit fee.

There's other fees that are included in the building permit process from the county, from the state, to different entities.

This is just the actual base permit fee that the city charges.

Thanks.

So, Mayor, this is I think especially recently with uh Marco on board from pump out boat, uh limiting uh overnight anchorage, living seawalls, planting mangroves, increasing the testing that we're doing with Miami uh water keepers.

It is, I think in many ways just a new day of waterway focus in our city.

This is an amazing innovative program.

I've gone down to see them be printed.

Um if you if encourage you all to do that.

Is Marco is um kind of is Maddie with Kind Designs here?

I believe she is.

Um Mayor, would you could could we have Maddie come up?

Would you do you mind uh just to share a little bit?

Maddie would you mind coming up just to say hi?

So Maddie uh Mayor's with Kind Designs, who um there are many you know um builders of the living seawalls.

This is amazing.

It's they 3D print it uh in Miami and and Maddie's uh helping lead that effort.

And Maddie, you just want to turn it over to you if there's anything you want to share in addition to the good afternoon, everyone.

Um thank you, Mayor, thank you, commission and vice mayor.

My name is Maddie Rieger.

I'm with one of the vendors for a living seawall products, so I could answer any technical information about it.

But what a living seawall provides is the same structural defense as a traditional concrete seawall, but with added additional wave reflection and dissipation.

So you're getting that reduction in flooding and overtopping, but then you also get it turned into an entire marine ecosystem.

The material is pH neutral for living seawalls, so it's not leaching chemicals that are harmful into the waterways, which is better for our waters.

And then additionally, you see oyster growth, fish, marine life flourishing around it because of the macro and micro habitat that a living seawall creates.

So compared to a flat wall, you wouldn't see the same habitat creation, same water filtering capacity, or same wave reflection that you get with a living seawall.

Yeah, thanks, Matty.

Appreciate it.

And Marco, I think we have a one seawall going in near Cox Landing.

Is that correct?

Um from October 23 to October of 25, there was 176 seawall permits issued in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

One was a living seawall, and it's the only one in the city currently.

There's uh a handful that are in the works, both either through the city or through private properties, residential properties.

Uh but increasing that number would be very significant in the overall water quality of our city.

Um FIU just recently uh published a study that they did where they studied a handful of living seawalls in Miami Dade County, as well as the only one here in Fort Lauderdale.

They were able to document an increase in the amount of overall fish species, algae, um, and even witnessed um the establishment of some colonies of octocoral, which is a soft coral, which uh is an indicator for future growth of hard corals.

Thanks.

And and Church by the Sea Mayor is also working on this and is going to be installing a living seawall at Church by the Sea for you know hundreds of linear feet, which is very exciting.

And lastly, and I'll turn it back over to you.

But um, you know, I view the the innovation, the entrepreneurial spirit we can have in the city is this is a great example of it.

And starting at 50,000 or something like that allows for us to to innovate and try.

And starting at 50,000 or something like that allows for us to to innovate and try, and my hope is the demand is much more than than that, but this is an amazing starting point.

Thanks.

Um I have a question.

Um understanding that suggested that we're um starting with the 50,000.

Um you look at the opportunity for residents versus um commercial, you're looking at if it's all uh residential, you're talking about seven, and if it's all um residential, we're looking at 14.

Is there a way to um um balance out a little bit more the first come first serve?

Because we have all if it's not balanced, I want to see more of a balance opportunity for those who are applying for this.

So it's not just maybe first serve first come serve is all commercial if you follow what I'm saying.

So the average seawall uh installation overall would be about a hundred thousand dollars, which but put the base permit fee at about seventeen fifty.

Okay, which if we did all residential, we'd be able to install twenty-eight with with some left over in the fund.

Um so going from one living seawall to twenty-eight would be I I will personally buy fireworks and provide them for the city.

Um but it it it all just depends.

Uh you know, it's it's a program that'll be citywide, so residents along the North Fork, residents along the South Fork, residents along Los Olas.

Um we have to make it available to everyone.

All of our waterways are connected.

If we improve the waterway quality in one section of the city, it will eventually leach over to other sections of the city as well.

So Commissioner Beasley Pittsman.

Just want to clarify, were you inquiring about whether we could identify a portion of the funds to be solely for residential applicants versus commercial applicants?

Um more of a balance because um when I hear first come, first serve, that means whoever comes in first, they're gonna utilize the funds.

So if there's an opportunity where we are um identifying or capping for residents, I think that would also be um a better opportunity.

That's that's my call on this.

So I I think that we could earmark a portion of the funding for each category, and then if we saw activity that led us to believe that maybe we were seeing more interest from one category over another over another, maybe we could pivot at that point and make funds available to the other category.

Okay.

All right.

Because um we we ball I'm I believe I'm speaking maybe out of term, but I believe all of us as commissioners have got the phone calls about seawalls and the cost of them, and this is a great opportunity to do um alternative option.

And I believe those who are really trying to move forward, they're gonna take advantage of this.

So, Marco, get ready for your fireworks, make that account available.

It's going to be a good one.

It's on the record.

So it's on the record.

Yeah, and I and I see this as a pilot program anyway, and I anticipate in years ahead we would want to increase the availability of funds because this should be a priority of the city anyway.

We've talked about this not just from a seawall perspective, but also from a dumping perspective.

Uh, you know, we have to capture pollution from as many places as we can.

So uh the waterways are the lifeblood of the city of Fort Lauderdale.

We have to do whatever we can to try to protect it.

Anyone else on the commission have any questions?

I do, Mayor.

So Marco, again, thank you for everything that you've done in a relatively short period of time.

You've really gotten your feet wet.

It's been my pleasure.

Uh-huh.

Uh no good?

Okay.

Okay.

Sorry, Marco.

Sorry.

It's okay.

But I am serious.

Thank you for everything you've done in a relatively short period of time.

I just want to make sure so that this is as transparent as possible when this program is announced to the community um that we actually have a definition of what a living seawall is so that you know all residents, all commercial properties, all companies that are doing this work are all playing on an even playing field.

Um, and we make sure that we understand exactly what needs to be in a living seawall.

Is there something in the industry that is a standard definition of that?

Um when we come back for the approval of the resolution, we can definitely have that prepared for you.

Uh that would be the plan is to have the entire program laid out so that people are are well understanding in advance of what the criteria is, what needs to be there to qualify.

Um so I I mean I would defer to Matty if there's a standard definition of seawall.

Um, but we will be defining it and we will make it publicly known as to what the criteria is to qualify for the program.

Excellent.

I think that would be really helpful, especially up front, so everyone knows right out, you know, right off the bat exactly what's expected.

Well, well, to that point, are there standardized designs?

You know, like you can the because Maddie's company manufactures them, are there certain basic designs from which one could choose?

There is other organizations besides kind designs that do manufacture seawalls.

Okay, okay.

Um my understanding of the 3D printing technology is that they can pretty much print anything, any shape, any design that you're interested in.

Uh the common one is the mangrove roots, uh just trying to mimic what naturally would be occurring at that area.

That's what we try that's what we'd want to do.

One that would be the most effective in what we're trying to accomplish.

Just some having something decorative is not going to be sufficient.

We want something that's going to be productive.

Right.

Okay.

Anyone else?

Yes, Mayor.

Yes.

Oh, please go ahead.

So thank you.

Um I think the concept of uh of what we're looking to do here uh makes a lot of sense.

I've I've been supportive of this ever since we first started talking about it.

What I'm not supportive of, though, is the funding for this.

So most of these seawalls represent probably the wealthiest folks that we have in the city of Fault Lauderdale.

These are the people that need financial assistance the least.

There's a lot of people who have come to the city commission through the years asking for fee waivers, permit assistance, and things like that, and we have consistently turned them all away.

Um I I don't think this is an appropriate uh appropriate use of of our dollars.

Um I I don't believe in subsidizing folks who have the financial ability.

If you were going to means test this, um I I could be more supportive of it, but we're not.

Um I think one of the numbers that was just thrown out is it's a hundred thousand dollars to do a seawall.

I don't think seventeen hundred dollars more or less for the permit is going to change anybody's mind as to whether they do the living seawall or not.

So again, I support the program.

I don't support the financial contribution.

These are not folks that need government welfare.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you so much, Marco.

Thank you.

So, Mayor Raquel, do you have what you need to move forward with this?

I think it sounds like we have consensus to come back to the commission with a resolution to establish the program and a budget amendment to fund it.

Yep.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, now moving on to business two.

This is regarding the holiday park parking uh update presentation of the unsolicited proposals and the evaluation findings.

Um we have a uh a number of people sign up to speak.

Uh uh the three uh the three entities that have uh submitted unsolicited proposals.

Um but before we do that, uh Michael Dennis, uh well, first Mr.

Rogers, of course, um, but then I believe Michael Dennis, our consultant, uh has asked to speak.

And uh I was thinking that we would give like 20 minutes to each uh proponent and uh let them give us the uh details of their proposals and then we can have conversations after that.

So Mr.

Rogers Good afternoon, Mayor Commission Ben Rogers, Assistant City Manager.

Uh as you indicated, we're gonna be going over the holiday park uh parking update, which is a review of the unsist proposal that we received.

We're gonna start off the uh the discussion with just some project history, which I'll I'll lead about uh holiday park and some of the developments that have occurred uh over the recent years.

We'll turn it over to PFM, who's our uh city's financial consultant who did an analysis of the unsolicited proposals.

Uh I'll return to the podium to do it.

A quick overview on some other considerations, the cost if we would move forward to the fire station, uh parking uh considerations uh if we would operate the garage.

Then we'll be turning over to the uh present uh the proposers to do their presentations.

Mayor indicated 20 minutes.

Uh we do have a secondary room secured uh if you want to do what we did for City Hall where we asked the other proposers to leave.

Uh we can facilitate that.

Um, and then we'll come back to the commission for public comment and discussion.

We did go ahead and prepare an evening item uh somewhere to City Hall where the City Commission could deliberate and rank the uh proposers if it so chooses okay.

Anyone have any questions of Mr.

Rogers?

I I do so I understand there's been some changes to the analysis.

Would you talk a little bit about that, please?

Yes, like last last minute updates, which by the way, I hate.

So I I'm I I just want you all to know, staff particularly emails on a Monday before a commission meeting are unacceptable.

That that's just it's unprofessional, it's unacceptable.

I don't read all of my emails on a Monday.

I'm busy with meetings and other things like that.

So to expect me to be able to be monitoring a hundred emails that come in so that I can see last-minute updates, not gonna happen.

So I just want to get that clear.

So please explain what's changed.

Understood.

And an apologies that so after we published the materials, one of the proposers, parked place garages, reached out and identified uh two inaccuracies that they believe the city staff had in the presentation.

The first one was that in the executive summary slide, it it identified all the team members from each uh development team, and on that slide we omitted Garfield uh public private, who was one of their lead developers.

And on that slide, we omitted Garfield public private, who was one of their lead developers.

We did reference them in the appendix of the presentation, but they were not on the executive summary slide with the other team members.

The second thing that they brought to our attention was that when you look at the overall cost of the project and the cost per space, it uh the numbers that were in their proposal and the numbers that we reflected in the presentation were solely inclusive of the parking garage and not the surface lot.

And so they asked if we would uh reconsider the materials that we published uh and include the additional 300 spaces and the cost for the surface lot to get a uh to identify the lower cost per space.

Uh after we reviewed it, we felt that the numbers that we uh originally published were accurate based off of the proposal contents.

So we did not make any additional changes to our analysis or presentation, but we wanted to make the commission aware that they identified that their proposal did not have the surface lot number uh in it, which then skewed the overall cost per space.

Do any of the proposals have the cost of the additional uh surface lot uh uh included in their proposal?

Yes.

All right, so we'll hear from each of them today.

Yes.

So if we uh take a turn back in time, Holiday Park uh has changed significantly over the over the recent past to the development of uh the revitalization of the Parker Playhouse, uh the Iceplex and War Memorial Project, the upcoming YMCA, uh Jimmy Effort Tennis Center, all of these these items have uh have been the children's playground, let's not the children's playground uh coming soon.

Uh thank you have uh have created you know a spark and a demand, uh and with that we you know looked at uh constructing a parking garage or parking facilities to help support these venues.

Uh this has been in the in the conversation for a number of years.

Uh there was some funding originally in the parks bond uh process that had a very small garage as part of it.

Um but really there's a need to accommodate uh the vehicles that this park is uh is generating.

So in the history, the recent history, uh the city staff moved forward with doing a design criteria package for a garage and surface lot.

Uh this process uh did some stakeholder outreach, uh, some public meetings, some site analysis, and it came up with two concepts for city staff consider uh consideration.

Uh we presented that to the commission uh in January of this year.

Uh you can see the four options that were up there, two options, uh, one with office space, one without office space.

Uh and at that time we were asked to select one of them so that the design criteria package could move forward to completion.

The feedback the city commission gave us at that point was to uh hold off on the garage elements and really prioritize the surface parking lots uh given the condition of them and the utilization uh that the iceplex and the war memorial uh has.

Well, the other reason was because you had indicated it was gonna take four years to build the parking garage, and we wanted some sort of parking there.

In speaking with these folks directly, their timetable is a lot shorter, so we'll might impact what decision we make today.

Absolutely, and I think that would be one of the questions to hone in on to the development teams is to understand what their timelines look like and their approach to work.

Okay.

Uh so at that point uh earlier this year we shifted our approach from uh design criteria package to a design effort where uh we are gonna just focus on the surface lot.

In March, uh, we did receive an unsolicited proposal, which then uh sparked interest from another proposer, and we received two unsolicited proposals by the end of May.

Uh we brought that forth to the city commission, had a discussion at which time the city commission asked that we go have additional conversations with each of the proposers to make sure we fully understood what they were presenting.

We met with them in early June.

We came back to the commission at the end of June, uh, of which the city commission accepted uh a proposal the both proposals and created a 45-day competition period.

After the advertising requirements uh on July 8th, the competition period started and it concluded on August 22nd.

Uh during that period of time, we received a third unsolicited proposal, and we also received a revised proposal from one of the original proposers.

Uh during that period of time as well, we terminated our design criteria package agreement.

We issued initiated the design task order for the surface slot.

We're about 90% done right now, uh, and we expect to have the 100% design for the surface lot in early 2026.

Uh for your reference, this is what the layout of the uh surface slot looks like.

It's approximately 300 spaces.

Uh it centralizes the entry and exit points, uh, and it creates pedestrian safety improvements with raised crosswalks.

Uh we wanted to be uh considerate of the neighborhood and some of the feedback we heard.

So you can see there's extensive setbacks here, uh both to the east and uh east-west and to the north-south.

Uh, and we incorporated a walking trail, uh, some fitness equipment and other park like amenities that would go in that green space surrounding the the parking lot.

Uh this area has seen significant flooding in the past, so there's a drainage plan included in the design, lighting uh, and then landscaping to try to blend the lot into uh the park uh environment.

You can see here on some of the medians, they're almost 20 feet wide, and that's so we can increase the landscaping and the canopy of the parking lot and again try to blend this element into the park.

So, as I mentioned, we had uh all two of those proposals uh in June.

We did a preliminary overview, and this is kind of the the summary of where we're at at that point uh before the city commission identified and accepted the proposals.

Uh and I'm gonna ask Michael Dennis to come up from PFM at this time.

Uh PFM has been uh onboarded to do the full analysis uh uh and comparative models of the three proposals.

They're gonna share their findings with you on that, and then we'll come back up and conclude the staff presentation.

Okay, thank you so much.

Perfect, thank you.

Uh thank you, Ben.

Good afternoon, uh, mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, Michael Dennis with PFM.

So talk to us about the sexy issue of parking garage.

I would be happy to.

So we're gonna go over uh an overview of the uh unsolicited proposals that uh Mr.

Rogers had just mentioned, and then we have a summary recap proposals, and then we have the appendix that he uh referenced for uh for reference.

So, as all of you know, the uh the city of Fort Lauderdale in advancing its efforts for the long-term parking needs at Holiday Park, aiming to support recreational, residential, and community growth in the surrounding area, uh, went through a process and received two unsolicited proposals by June 30th, 2025.

And uh on July 24, 2025, a third proposal was received.

Uh, it's important to note it's our understanding that the city is responsible for providing 600 parking spaces for the parker.

And uh, with that, the city has asked PFM uh to provide proposal review services associated with the review and summary of the unsolicited proposals.

So here we just have a diagram for each of the development teams that have proposed uh G3 development holiday park parking partners and park place garages.

Uh and as Mr.

Rogers mentioned for park place garages omitted here is Garfield Public Private.

Uh so they're the developer or lead developer for uh park place garages, and their icons should be included here or their logo.

Okay.

This slide just provides some examples of uh relevant experience from each of the development teams.

Uh each of their proposals provide uh numerous examples uh showing that or showcasing their ability to deliver uh on this project for a parking garage.

So we just took a few um from each member of the development team here.

Jumping into the development options.

So each firm had provided multiple development options with varying degrees of size, sophistication, and cost, uh including a few optional design features, which we'll touch on below.

Uh also very important to note that all three firms have noted a strong willingness to work with the city.

Uh while they provided each of their options here, they did indicate a willingness to adjust that as needed.

So for G3 development, we have the standalone parking garage, which would be four stories and approximately 1,000 parking spaces, and then they have the option for an integrated fire station, which is approximately 10,000 square feet, and then the surface lot, which would provide 300 parking spaces.

Uh Holiday Park Parking partners, the standalone parking garage.

Their proposal indicates a five-story parking garage with 600 spaces with the option to uh increase that up to 1,000 spaces.

And then the how does that happen?

I think the uh financials and the cost that they provided in their proposal are based on the 600 parking spaces, and they indicated with the space that they have there, they can increase that to a thousand spaces as needed.

But how do you come up with 400 spaces in five in five stories that are designed for 600 spaces?

I think that'd be a tweak in the development of the garage, and we would ask the uh team to describe that when they give their presentation on the garage.

Okay, all right.

And then they also have the uh surface lot option, which would be the 300 spaces, and the optional design feature that they included in their proposal is a verte port on top of the parking garage.

For parkplace garages, their standalone parking garage, they proposed a five-story garage with 985 parking spaces and also an integrated fire station of 10,000 square feet.

The optional feature that they had proposed was a solar array on top of the parking garage to offset the energy needs of the parking garage in its entirety.

Here, jumping in a little bit to the financing structure.

Uh all firms proposed the issuance of tax exempt bonds over 30 to 35 years to finance the associated costs.

Uh holiday parking partners also included a taxable component to uh finance work and capital.

So we provided a table here just to uh look amongst the different options between the proposers.

Uh looking for the standalone parking garage uh as financed for G3 development would be roughly 25.9 million dollars.

Holiday park parking partners, approximately 33.5 million dollars, and park place garages 40 point five million dollars.

Then we have the cost to include the fire station for each G3 development and park place garages, which adds approximately $10 million to the uh the cost.

For Holiday Park parking partners, they included that vertiport on top of the parking garage, and they note that uh with the inclusion of the vertiport, they would actually pay uh a lease payment to the city in order to utilize that space on top of the garage.

Would there be a capital expense associated with that construction of the top?

There would be, yes.

And that's included in their in their price?

It is, yes.

Okay.

And the solar array for parking place garages be approximately 2.6 million dollars, and again, it's noted that that's expected to pay for itself through the cost savings over the lifetime.

And then we also included the surface lot.

I know you had asked a question about the uh cost specifically for the surface lot, and G3 development provided a cost associated with that of approximately 2.2 million dollars.

Holiday Park parking partners, they mentioned that the cost was combined with the standalone garage above, so it wasn't parsed out between the two.

And then uh parkplace garages, as Mr.

Rogers had mentioned in the um letter to commission ahead of this presentation that the 300 spaces associated with the surface lot would be included.

It's important to note that the city would reserve the right to operate and maintain the facility, or the lesser or development team may procure an operator for the duration of the project.

And the general structure here would be for the city to issue debt to finance the project, the respective development team would deliver the project, and then full ownership would transfer to the city at project completion or the maturity of the debt.

And now jumping into the design costs based on the uh total financing costs, and we did an apples to apples comparison just by taking the cost to finance the garage uh by the number of spaces that would be provided or square foot uh for the fire station.

So for G3 development, that cost per space would be approximately $25,900.

Holiday park parking partners, approximately $37,000 per space.

And it's important to note that that figure uh is inclusive of the 300 surface lots, and then park place garages uh $41,000 per space, and also mention that that's inclusive of the 300 surface lots or surface spaces, excuse me.

Uh for G3 development and park place garages, we have approximately $990 per square foot for the fire station and $970 per square foot.

And then down below we provide the surface lot cost per space for G3, which is approximately $7,300 per space, and for holiday park parking partners and parkplace garages, those costs are inclusive of the figures above.

And then just down at the bottom, we just provided the total cost and the of the standalone garage, and then also the total cost with the optional features plus the surface lot.

In uh G3 development, does the optional features include the fire station?

It does, yes.

So the $38 million includes the cost of the standalone fire station.

Correct, yes.

And I believe that uh the fire station would be integrated into the parking garage.

But yes, those costs are included there.

In G3.

Yes.

But how about it and and they don't seem to be included?

Excuse me, park place also identifies uh a fire station.

So there that's that's also included in their $52 million price.

That's correct.

Okay.

But uh but Holiday Park does not address the fire station.

That's correct.

Okay, thank you.

So I don't understand that because from all my conversations with Holiday Park, there's always been a fire station.

So where'd it go?

We in review of the three proposals we we had for uh G3 development and park place garages included the integrated fire station their proposal.

Right.

Uh we did not see one for Holiday Park parking partners.

I saw it in their drawings.

Yeah.

It's in the drawings.

It's been every conversation I have with them.

So how is it not?

We'll let them when they come up, they can't.

That if that's the case, that may be our oversight, then that wasn't.

Okay.

I'm just wondering why it's not in PFM's analysis.

Because again, I um my my concern is about the analysis and making sure the analysis is comprehensive.

And if the analysis doesn't include an evaluation of of the fire component, then I'm a little curious.

All right.

Well, I agree.

We'll get to that.

Okay.

Please continue.

Uh and then on this slide here, we just have uh to make reference in our conversations with each of the development teams.

We asked each firm to provide references or letters or of capitalization or their ability to deliver on the project.

Uh the important takeaway from this slide is that in our review, we do think that all firms have a proven ability to deliver on the project.

Then in summary, here for each of the development teams, we've just recapped everything from the following slides, just so it's in one place here.

Uh for G3 development, the four-level garage, which would be a thousand spaces and the 300 space surface lot, which would include an integrated fire station, holiday park parking partners, a five-level garage, 600 spaces with the option for up to a thousand, and a 300 space surface lot, and it includes that verteport on top of the parking garage.

And then park place garages, the five-level garage, 985 spaces, and that includes the fire station and the solar array that's on top of the garage.

So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions, and then we just have our appendix at the end for reference for all the information included in this presentation.

That's the fine print.

Yes.

Okay.

Anyone have any questions at this time or or should we wait till the presenters make their presentation?

Could you just go back one slide?

I'm sorry.

Sure.

Thank you.

And I and I will have more questions with each presenter that they come forward, and then hopefully you'll still be here and we'll be able to ask you some questions about that.

Sure.

Um on this recap of proposals, so I just want to make sure, because you have the 300-car lot included for G3 and Holiday Park, not for park place?

Correct.

And it's our understanding uh that the park place garages that they've indicated that the 300 space surface slot is included in their figures here.

But at the time when we presented this or prepared this, we did not include that.

Okay.

So it is though.

That's our understanding.

Okay.

And we'll hear that from the presenter also that question.

And only one other question at this time.

So when we went through this exercise with City Hall, it was strongly recommended in your in your report that we let the developer handle operations and maintenance.

Not so here.

Why?

Why the why the difference?

Why not that recommendation?

I think similar to City Hall and in discussion with uh Sergio Mosfidal who prevented presented on the City Hall project.

I think ultimately we feel the same as we do with City Hall, and that it would be up to the city and how they would like to move forward with either operating the garage or outsourcing that to another party.

But I think you you landed on actually going with the developer taking care of the operations and maintenance.

So that was not our risk or our responsibility for those 30 years.

Um I might be wrong, but I just I I seem to remember that that was the case.

That was the recommendation.

But again, I'm not seeing that as a recommendation here, and I was just wondering why the difference.

Yeah, I think here we're agnostic whether one way or the other, I think that's up to the city and their preference of what they prefer to do.

I don't know that we necessarily have a recommendation to go one way or another.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

All right, great, thank you.

Mr.

Rogers.

Thank you.

Commissioner Glassman, to respond to your last question.

I think the the two projects are substantially different uh on the long-term maintenance of the of the city hall, all the components, the mechanisms to keep that operating compared to an exterior garage structure.

And we have a parking uh department who maintains and uh other parking structures, so I think I feel like we're uh more well suited to operate and maintain the parking garage.

Also understanding that if there's gonna be revenues generated, if there's going to be a balance of uh demand uses in the park, also to have the flexibility to have rates or uh operation that mirrors what the park expectations are, the park schedules are.

I think it's in our best interest that we would retain the operating maintenance for the garage.

Okay.

Thank you for that.

So to conclude the presentation, we're going to go through a couple of considerations.

You know, this these proposals are not apples to apples.

Each of the proposers had different visions and different views of what this project could look and feel like.

Uh, we want to make sure the commission has some background information, not necessarily directly related to the proposal contents, but just uh the city overall uh approach.

So if the city commission would want to can include a fire station consideration as part of this project, there's operating cost behind it, there's staffing costs behind it, and there's outfitting cost behind it.

And so these charts here really just provide information city commission on if you go with a full fire station versus if you want an EMS station, what those cost differentials are, what the future year budgets uh may be impacted uh on, and how that would look or feel from a financial standpoint.

Um there's not a right or wrong answer at this point.

Just want to provide the city commission with information so they understand that if they would choose a full fire station that that might have more financial obligations long term on the operating maintenance than an EMS or not including a fire station at all.

I'd like to hear from the fire chief before we're gonna have that conversation.

I was gonna call him up.

Yeah.

Just give me a second.

I'm sorry.

I was gonna call him.

No, but I I wanted to is it okay to ask Ben a question now about that?

Yeah, sure, go ahead.

Thanks.

Ben, so I'm looking at page uh twelve on exhibit one, uh, the garage and fire stations delivery method recommendation.

Uh help me understand why the city's report, the presentation rather says does not include the full build out of the fire station.

Why why would it benefit the city and the fire department to not have the developer complete the entire uh construction of this fire station?

Uh I mean I'm concerned about delays, I'm concerned about uh potential warranty issues, who is responsible.

Help me understand why we think it's better to not include that and let one person just knock it out.

I think there's a couple different reasons.

I think timing is one of them.

I think when we approach this and when there was a lot of uh buzz around this project, uh there's a lot of density going on in the area.

There's a lot of projects that were full steam ahead.

Uh some of those have not been as quick to deliver.

I think that we have seen kind of some uh some I don't want to say stall, but some softness in the in the delivery of these projects.

Uh I think that the cost and understanding uh the operating impacts, uh the safer grant impacts that are coming in a couple years, it's uh it's a much larger picture than just the cost to build it.

And so I think our approach at this point is to get the structure in place, get the square footage requirements, get it it's dubbed up, and then make that determination uh as the city continues to grow and evolve and see how the service delivery and if there is a uh a need to deliver a full station, an EMS station, or to continue to operate until it needs there.

There's also um financial considerations uh with the fire fees and when those come on based off of delivery of projects.

And so there's a bunch of different elements.

So at this point, our our approach, knowing this is this is gonna be a long-term uh project to get delivered, was to start off and get the shell in place and get the project going.

Okay.

I I mean, with all due respect, I'm just gonna disagree on that.

I I think that it would cause delays, and I think it would just get messy.

I actually think that we should just complete the entire station.

We should assess what it is we need, and we know what the future is going to bring.

Um we know what the response times are in that area, they're not good.

Uh and we know uh what we're projecting to see in terms of increased population in that area.

I I just think that maybe we need to just reconsider that and look at let them knock the whole thing out.

Um I just think we could talk about that.

We can't.

I'm just I'm just all right.

I understand.

Thank you.

I I I would agree with Commissioner Glassman on this.

We've been behind the curve with our fire station construction bond program going back to 2003.

Let's for once try and get in front of it, you know, and and build the station where we know the residents are going to be, because if it's not today, Sears Town may be on pause, but that doesn't mean it's not going to get built.

So it would behoove us to actually build the fire station where the residents are going to be and not wait till after the fact.

I I think Commissioner Glassman's on the right track there, and I think we just figure out what kind of a station we need, whether it's an EMS substation or whether it's a full station, but we move forward and get it done while we're mobilized, while we're under construction, while we have a team in the field, finish it.

Understood.

And that's the you know the feedback that we're looking for staff and if we move forward with this project, understanding what you want to see in this project and how we can deliver it on on your behalf.

I will also remind the commission that Fire Station 117, which is the Heron Garage that's just a few blocks off of Los Solas, uh, they've submitted their permitting documents, and so that process is still moving forward.

Um we're probably 24 to 30 months before that station opens, but it is moving through the process.

We had some conflicts with some underground utilities that have been resolved, and uh the construction docs are now uh submitted.

Just just to add with add to what ACM Rogers mentioned earlier.

I mean one of the considerations that we definitely have is for fiscal year 2027.

As you know, there are a lot of conversations right now in the legislature.

And our budget going forward may be impacted by certain decisions this cycle.

And so we want to make sure that whatever we implement, whether it is the full build out of a fire station or an EMS station, that we have eyes wide open on the operational costs that will come and when they might come.

And so I think as part of the conversation, it's not just the build-out, but it's how we plan to operate.

And in 2027, we're looking at $7 million if we go the full fire station route.

$7 million a year to operate a fire station?

$7.2 million in year one.

And that's what it costs now to operate each of our fire stations.

Based on what we're projecting to have at this site, or we have the potential to have, we've estimated about 7.2 million.

But I think that's the point about figuring out what we're going to have there, because if we're gonna have if we're gonna have a station downtown, we may not need another full fire station at this location.

We may simply need an EMS substation to handle you know the calls that we're gonna get from Flagler Village.

So again, that's why I kind of want to hear from the fire chief as to what he's projecting the need is going to be.

Yeah, I I think we're putting the cart before the horse right now.

Um I understand.

I just think it's timely.

We're in the middle of the conversation.

No, no, no.

I want to hear what what we're what we're talking about before we discuss with the we're putting the cart before the horse.

Let's before we start making decisions about the nature of the fire station or the EMS station or whatever should go there or not go there.

We obviously need to have the the fire chief come up here and talk.

But we're we're speculating now on all these different options when we should be just relying on the expertise of uh the fire chief.

But I think we should first let um Ben finish his presentation and then we can get to that one person at a time.

So instead of jumping ahead to that uh conversation, let's let Ben finish his uh his discussion regarding the actual parking garage, then we can get to the fire chief.

Understood.

Thank you.

And my last note on this slide is there could be a hybrid uh situation where you construct you know a larger footprint, but you only operate an EMS station on it, so we have room for future growth.

We'll get to that.

I've always dreamed of being a fire chief.

Okay, thank you.

Uh on the the parking fund side, uh, that is the uh majority uh funding source for this project is to implement this garage as part of the parking fund.

We wanted to make sure that the city commission had uh awareness of the parking funds, uh health and current status.

Uh there is about $28 million in annual revenues, $24 in operating expenses.

Uh we do uh not take general fund uh to the parking fund.

It is uh self-sustaining by the revenues that it generates.

And a couple of examples of of recent major projects that uh has been invested with this fund is the City Hall parking garage structural improvements.

Uh we're getting ready to bring back a uh potential award for the Federal Courthouse Garage Construction, um Los Solos garage facade lighting, and then there's been substantial investments in the parking technology that's out there.

Uh the snapshot here just shows the uh the trend or the Stantec uh sustainability model.

Uh there's one thing to note here that this was based off of the the plan or the projection, but at the end of 2025, uh that we we beat these numbers by two million dollars.

So if you uh extrapolate that across the lines, it it seems like a very healthy fund at this point.

Okay.

Uh so Ben, just interesting about that, because I know when we did the Los Solas Garage at that point, we were upside down on the parking fund.

There was not sufficient revenue in the parking fund or existing fund balance in order to be able to do that.

And part of the reason that we use CRA money, I think it was what, $13 million towards uh towards the Los Solos garage at the marina.

Yeah, there was CRA money and there was um a thought, I believe, to to do some financing for it.

But at the end, uh we did change the parking rates.

I want to say in 2019, that generated enough revenue that we actually uh made a lump sum payment of parking fund towards the Los Solas garage.

Right.

And so at this point, you believe that the that the parking enterprise fund is sufficiently stable and capitalized enough to be able to sustain the debt service on whatever it is this is going to cost us.

I think that's a perfect segue to the next slide, which is I think it is in a healthy position, and I think it can fund this garage.

But I do think that if we operate this garage and maintain this garage, we need to have some revenue sources coming in to help supplement those or offset those costs.

Uh it might not be uh a break a break-even uh in it, but I think that we do need to have some revenue generation from this garage.

And so I think that's one of the considerations that if we move forward with this project that the commission would have to give at some point on how we uh cover the debt service, if it's a parking system pledge uh or if there's some revenue generation coming from that specific garage.

Uh there are different uh opportunities between hourly rates.

Uh we could create custom rules for resident uh parking and the resident experience.

Uh we could create special event rates uh and then monthly permits uh for those who are frequently going to the iceplex or going to uh one of the venues.

For recommendations, uh the surface surface lot delivery.

I think the goal here was to expedite this and get this thing delivered as soon as possible.

So what we would look forward to doing is working with a selected uh developer to implement uh our current design as part of our June uh discussions with them, all of them were willing to take a plan set that we uh finalize and hand it over and they would construct it on our behalf.

So that would just be getting a cost for them to deliver it and then making uh a payment plan or a one-time payment for that delivery method to happen.

So let me interrupt you for a second.

It was suggested to me that you know we're looking at a 300 approximately 300 space parking uh uh site.

But right now it can accommodate a lot more than 300.

And if we start construction on a new parking garage, we're now eliminating a lot of surface parking.

And if we do the construction on the south side, we're eliminating more parking, so that now we're down to very little parking for a period of time during the process of getting these new structures built.

Would it make sense to not do the surface parking until we have the parking garage done because we we may be we may have as many as five to six hundred parking spaces now on the south side that we're now going to be eliminating several hundred during this process.

What is your what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, I think that's a good observation.

I mean, when you develop the parking lot, you gotta meet the standards which comes with you know certain minimum requirements uh and landscaping requirements, those type of things.

Um I think it's just a matter of order of operation.

We heard from the the commission uh a year ago that said let's get the surface lot done, the conditions out there are substandard.

Um we've we've dealt with it for a long period of time and we just want to resolve that issue.

Right.

But you are 100% correct, Mayor, that the the Parker Playhouse site when that goes under construction, that parking goes away.

It's also um the YMCA parking, which was the overflow area, will be in reconstruction as well.

So it might be something that we have to look outside the park and try to figure out uh a nearby lot that we can shuttle to.

It could be that we uh work with the War Memorial or the Panthers to see if they have some areas within their leasehold that we could free up.

I think there's opportunities out there, uh, but I would defer that back to the city commission on the preference of the delivery.

Okay, thank you.

Mayor, could I answer that?

Because I I've never understood the point of the surface lot.

When we first started talking about this when we did the park spond, the idea of going vertical was to return the green space for recreational use.

It was not to build surface parking lots out there on the grass.

And so I've never quite gotten the understanding as to why we would be building a surface lot when we're building a multi-level parking garage at the same time.

If we need another couple of spaces, isn't it just easier to go up one more floor?

I mean, what am I missing?

It seems fairly straightforward to me that we don't need surface lots.

And I know there was a conversation about a surface lot because there were some folks that were you know walking around in the mud, but candidly folks have been walking around in the mud to go to Parker for the better part of 20 years now.

I think they can probably wait another year or two till we got the garage done.

I think it had to do with the convenience of people wanting to go to the iceplex and being able to be able to park across the street.

It also was more convenient for the people in the tennis courts because um the uh the tennis the tennis courts do not have sufficient parking there.

So the idea of having additional parking in the traditional area that we're now speaking of, the south side of uh of the street, um, is I think was part of the incentive to want to continue to have surface parking there.

Um if you add another floor, another two floors, whatever to the uh to the to the actual structure, I'm not sure there's a I think there's a point of diminishing returns in terms of people accessing those extra floors because people do like the convenience of having it across the street.

Though that area that for the surface parking, John, has never been programmed for anything um other than parking.

We have we've never had a conversation.

I guess we could still have that conversation to see if we want to reprogram it for recreational use as opposed to parking.

But since we're not making any decisions right now, why don't we just continue with your presentation and we can we can have that conversation uh again at another time.

So please I'm just I'm just a big fan of open green space.

I think passive space is just as important as active space in parks.

You know, places where people can just run around and play, where children can throw frisbees, I think is just as valuable as fields and tennis courts and swimming pools and pickleball and everything else that we do.

Activated spaces are great, but I just think open fields for people to run around and play, I think are just as valuable uh as a recreational environment and experience.

Vice Mayor, I just want to make sure we're talking about the same location.

Are we are you talking about what's on the screen in front of us?

Which is right now is those gravelly parking lots.

Right.

Right.

I thought the whole idea was that that was going to be restored and returned to what when we first started talking about this back in the early days of the of the parks bond program.

The idea that I remember at the time is that we were going to restore that area and and basically return it back to the public use, get the cards off of it, and and make it green space again, make a grass and and and utilize unless unless my recollection of our conversations back in the day is is imperfect.

I just don't remember that.

I remember that conversation for the areas you know east of the park where we're talking about the grush.

But I never remember that conversation for this particular area, which is just those gravelly lots that are of a mess.

But I don't think I agree, yeah.

They need to be re-redone.

They they certainly need to be restored, but I always thought that was the plan.

I I don't recall that, I'm sorry.

All right, keep going.

Uh so uh back to this slide twelve.

Uh as uh Commissioner Glassman identified that we uh would do the fire station shell and the parking garage, the parking fund.

Uh thousand spaces, uh future build out of the fire fire station or EMS station uh based off of commission direction.

Uh and again, we would retain the operating maintaining uh maintenance responsibilities for the garage.

As I indicated earlier, we have a parking department that does this uh at numerous locations across the city.

We would be interested in rev uh revenue generating opportunities.

And should the commission move forward with uh uh developer who wants to put ancillary things in here, we could structure a deal where they would have uh a lease to do those uh certain improvements and maintain them, uh, or we could acquire the the responsibility of that.

I do want to make one correction.

I do believe that the verte port proposal has no direct cost to the city.

I believe that all the costs in the proposal is for what I would call the city share, the city part of the project, the verte port would be funded by the the private party and operated and maintained by the private party.

Yeah, I I just want to PFM just told us the opposite report.

That was one of my questions for you, but I'm glad you're clarifying that.

That's no cost to the city.

That's correct.

And it could be a revenue generating opportunity with a lease payment, all those things would have to be flushed out during a negotiation period if the city uh commission wanted to move forward with that type of uh entity.

Thank you.

I'm not sure.

Hold on a second.

We need to have a conversation as to whether or not that even makes sense anymore to have a to have uh a helicopter pad in the middle of the park.

Um we never really flesh that whole concept out and um uh it's not a helicopter number one.

Well, vertiport, there's hell they're electric helicopters, so they're helicopters.

But no matter what, I don't want to get caught up on on vocabulary here.

We're talking about a concept.

And and now that the county, from what I understand, is is interested in participating in creating landing sites for these vehicles.

Um I'm wondering whether Fort Lauderdale really uh, you know, the city really needs to be um creating an access for this type of transportation when the airport itself is uh making itself available for this and does it make sense to put uh vehicular traffic like this in the middle of a park.

I'm that I'm saying that rhetorically, I'm not asking for an answer, but I just think we need to have that conversation before we move forward with this particular concept design.

Please proceed.

So mayor, the last slide was just a summary slide, but given some of the nuances of if if certain dollars were incorporated or not incorporated or certain elements, I I think we bypass that.

I think we go to the preserv uh proposal presentations, let them share with you what their proposals include, what their vision is, their approach to the work, uh, and then we can come come back to the city commission for public comment and then deliberation.

Okay, great, thank you.

And so at this time, do you want to proceed with uh alphabetical order like City Hall, or is there a preference you have on the approach to the presentations?

I mean, I uh alphabetical order is fine with me.

Okay, and you want the other proposal or companies to to leave the room as well?

Perfect.

So we'll start off with G3.

Uh so if G3 can make their way over towards the podium for all other proposers.

Uh if you head towards the front door, Angela Salmon will be over there and she will ask.

We'll take a 10 minute break while this transition takes place.

So where's your where's your boss?

All right.

Okay, folks, let's resume our meeting.

Please take our seats.

So we're moving on to uh presentations.

And before we go to the first presentations, before we go to the first presentation, before we go to the first presentation, I'd like the fire chief to come up and to be able to answer a couple questions.

Mr.

Golden, could you please approach the uh the podium and press the button?

Okay, so there have been a number of questions during the conversation this this afternoon in which wherein we were discussing uh the scope, the nature, the necessity of fire presence at the parking garage.

I know when we first talked about the parking garage several years back, we thought it would be a a a great convenience to incorporate a um a uh fire presence there.

Talk to us a little bit if you can about what the community necessity is for fire presence uh in and around Holiday Park.

So good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioner Stephen Golan, your fire chief.

So thank you for calling me up this afternoon.

Um and uh and for your challenging question.

Um you know, I I think the the key here is making sure that our public safety or our fire services are keeping up with the growing demand uh of the city and taking an in-depth look of what that looks like, and then providing the levels uh for you all to pull as we navigate through that.

Um, you know, part of that is having facilities that uh we're seeing take uh a long time to build and having those ready to be activated when when potentially needed.

Um the key to all of it is a phased approach, is not overindulging and jumping in too much, but to taking uh a phased approach that allows you to pull levers as we see the growth continue in.

Um, you know, often I hear uh the communication in regards to an EMS substation, and uh and that's rather challenging because uh our our firefighters that are on the rescue are capable of also doing fire or EMS, and through funding, uh our fire assessment fee helps offset fire stations, but not EMS side of things.

So when we're looking at future growth, we like to make sure that we're looking for fire rescue stations, and then the difference of what's being activated in those stations is ramping up with the growth uh of the community as as needed.

So you so you it's your recommendation that we do have a fire a full fire station there, fire presence, and since fire personnel are also EMS trained, we're able to provide a full gamut of services, and since it's funded through the fire assessment fee, it's it provides a funding source for that facility.

Is that what you're saying?

So I I want to be cautious with the terminology of full fire station.

Uh I don't necessarily say think that a full fire station may be needed right out of the gate.

But we also want to make sure that we're forward-looking and when uh a building is being constructed that we're looking for the next 50 years down the road.

So, you know, my recommendation is always to build a station that has two bays instead of a single bay.

And uh we also have uh stations that are currently in the pipeline.

Uh we're looking at three stations that'll be coming down the pipeline here in the near future and providing some relief uh to the increased call volume that we're seeing.

So could you identify where those are?

Uh one is down off of uh South Federal Highway in 11th Court.

Uh the other one is located off Los Solas.

Uh just uh the parking there.

Um Heron Parking Garage will be on the first floor of that.

Um and then the other one is the replacement of fire station 13 on the beach on the Bear Island, which is Sunrise Boulevard.

All right, so there's there's soint city heights, what no what uh fire station number is that?

Point Seattle Heights would be 2029.

Okay.

So actually, just a couple of blocks away, there it already is a full fire station, correct?

Uh so that is just north of of uh Sunrise Boulevard and Federal Highway there?

Right.

Um and then the next end station uh is station two, which is located on the other side of the railroad tracks, and then station 16.

So the only station that is closest to Holiday Park that is east of the railroad tracks is station 29.

Right.

So is it redundant to have another station in Holiday Park?

I wouldn't say that it's redundant in any way, uh, as we're seeing growth uh in the area and uh in an emergency room going in uh or proposed to be going in in the very near future.

Uh that YMCA at the YMCA.

Correct.

Uh that emergency room will have full diagnostic availability.

Uh but should someone be diagnosed with a heart attack, they would have to then be emergently transported over to Brower General in order to go to the CAF Center.

Uh same as someone came in there with any traumatic injuries, they would need to be transferred immediately.

Uh and that all falls under fire rescue.

Um non-emergent transports would fall under uh uh uh non-emergent provider.

So then um the bottom line, are you recommending a two-bay uh facility be constructed here as part of the parking garage?

I I would say that it at this time that having a two-bay station there uh provides the opportunity to grow uh with the flagler village and holiday park area and provides the commission with opportunities and levers uh to ramp up as as we see growth in the city.

Okay.

Does that i is any does that answer everyone's question?

Or do you have additional questions?

I have an additional question and um just in a different direction as the question was um posed.

Um with the growth that we're um expecting without that station being there, what would the delay times or the response times look like moving forward?

Um because the question was about with it there, without it, what does it look like?

What would it impact be?

That's very difficult to say and would probably be more of a a DSD question with showing what that growth is.

I don't have in front of me what is currently in construction or what's proposed to be built.

Um but clearly as as we see more congestion in the roadways, we're going to see an increase uh in in delay in our response times.

Because currently, if I'm not incorrect, we do currently have delayed um response times in this area that we're referring to.

Is that correct?

Yes, ma'am.

That is uh, you know, our our our our time frame that national standard that we're trying to meet per NFPA is the six minutes, and we are not meeting that time frame currently in that area.

Okay.

Thank you.

Vice Mayor, did you have any questions?

Yeah, no, just some thoughts more than questions.

So thank you, Chief, for for articulating what you think is probably the best need for this.

Um, you know, these conversations started uh with uh Leaf Eldman and myself probably back in 2014, give or take, because there was a large outcry from the Rio Vista neighborhood as part of the fire station bond program for the station south of of the river.

And the problem that we had back then is we couldn't find enough dirt uh or affordable dirt.

We'd only put, I think it was about one to one and a half million dollars in the fire station bond program for land acquisition for that station.

And that's how we wound up doing the land swap.

And we wound up with a station down on 17th Street west of the railroad tracks or by the railroad tracks.

And Rio Vista was always very disappointed in that because they felt it never met the need that they were looking at.

So one of the reasons we started talking about Holiday Park many years ago was feeling that uh that could be a uh another resource for serving the folks in Rio Vista just by going through the tunnel and being able to get there.

That was before we we developed uh station 88, the new 88.

Yes.

Um, I think that was always part of that part of that thought process was going back, and then we also recognize that you know 20,000 plus new residents coming into the downtown, the flagler village area were always going to be in need, particularly of EMS services because they're high-rise, they're sprinklered buildings, so you've got less structural fires there.

But the other idea was once we did Bright Line through there that station two was going to have a more difficult time getting east because of traffic and and being blocked by the trains and so forth.

So we always thought this was an ideal location for a fire station to provide redundancy to you know to station two, but also to get down south of the river, and then also to back up 29 over in Point Seta Heights.

So I think all that still kind of works, and if anything, I think the numbers and the growth in that area just continue to support it.

So I I like the idea.

I think having a a full stay station at that location makes a lot of sense to your point uh with the FER over there, being able to transport down to Broward General, because you still need to do that for strokes, heart attacks, anything that's trauma still needs to be transported down to Broward General, right?

Correct.

No, I think it makes a lot of sense.

Thank you, Chief.

Mayor, if I could ask Chief Golan to clarify something based on Commissioner Busy Pittman's question.

It's your turn.

So with the upcoming completion of the three fire stations you mentioned before, would there be any improvement to the response times in the area you mentioned six minutes?

Could we see any improvements once we have those three fire stations up and running?

We we should see some relief on the north side there.

Um once the station is activated down off Los Solas would be the primary one that would start to bring relief to that generalized area.

Um that station uh as designed right now is fire and then moving one of the rescues over into that station, uh, which will dramatically improve our response times to the Los Souls Isles in the southern part of Victoria Park.

Uh we should also see uh an improvement uh in the the times that we're currently seeing in the holiday park area so you're you're getting at it to a point.

Well what point are you trying to make?

Like, do we really need it if the Heron parking garage is completed and we have a station there?

Do we really need something here in Holiday Park?

I just want to give the full picture.

You know, that's a good question.

Do we need it?

If will the response times be at all influenced by yet another park, another uh fire station in Holiday Park if the one on Las Solas is is completed.

Um I don't know the answer to that, but uh common sense would suggest yes, it's going to be able to reach people and closer to that facility than than one mile away.

So um I personally believe that we should integrate uh a fire station in this parking garage.

It makes so much sense to me.

You know, public safety is number one, has often been pointed out, and if we can find a way to to build it, fund it, maintain it, and uh and activate it.

I think it makes a lot of sense.

So all right.

Mayor, could I go ahead?

Thanks.

Yeah, and I agree.

I've as Chief, as you know, I've been long advocating for a uh station there.

And and just I just want to be clear on terminology.

So what is the if you could share with all of us the uh um uh EMS vehicle is is termed what?

It would be uh most people will identify it as an ambulance.

Yep.

Uh but it's utilized for transporting people uh to the hospital on ours.

Uh we utilize them as response vehicles to both fire and EMS.

Yep.

Everyone that's on that vehicle is trained to mitigate a fire.

Uh they're all licensed certified.

Uh and they have some of the equipment.

Uh case in point, just a couple months ago, uh, one of our firefighters, the ambulance was the first arrival on a house fire, and they were able to make a successful rescue of an individual in the back bedroom prior to the engine or pumper truck ever arriving on scene.

Um having those resources available and giving them all the right tools is incredibly important so that we can get the first unit there and start to mitigate whatever's taking place.

Yeah, thanks.

And I I think that's an important distinction.

And the we've plused up the staffing levels to now having three, right?

Three firefighters on an ambulance, great.

Another vehicle is a rescue, right?

Is that right?

The the the smaller truck uh that's the same.

Same thing.

Uh the rescue would be identified as the same.

Great.

Then an engine is the next is that am I using the right term?

Yes, sir.

And that has water and hose on it uh and a staffing of three, a captain, a driver, and a firefighter.

Uh it does respond to medical calls, but does not transport.

Great.

Thanks.

And then so if I'm hearing you right, there um it it sounds like it's uh a healthy option to if a uh station is constructed to and maybe it's the same, but building it in a fashion so that you can house both a rescue and or an engine, or one of each.

Is that or at some point maybe we would want two engines there and no ambulances or two rescues and no engines?

Is it uh is building it in a way to allow for any swapping of those vehicles helpful?

Does it not?

Uh 100 percent.

So it it just uh provides the uh the ability for more options.

Uh having that space up front, you know, even when it comes to storm season and the potential to have to evacuate units off the barrier island, this would provide us a refuge place by having two bays.

Those two bays don't need to be activated immediately.

Those, you know, you can activate the station as needed.

Uh but having that availability from day one is vitally important.

For all those vehicles, right?

And and are we doing are we constructing the other two stations in a similar fashion so that the optionality is there?

Yes, sir.

All stations that are being built now are built with a minimum of two bays.

Right.

And the ability to house both engines and ambulance or so forth.

Correct, and the and the allotted beds uh that are needed, uh the space inside per per firefighter, all of that is going into all of the projects that are currently in the pipeline.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

That helps.

Thanks.

And Mayor I wanted to talk to Carl too at some point.

Um I just say to the chief while he's here before we so chief, have you had a chance to look at the three presentations?

Uh I did briefly review them.

Okay, because I noticed that they're a little bit different in terms of this substation.

Um what's your opinion of having the ability to just drive through as opposed to not drive through it matter at all?

Um you know, always when given the opportunity to drive through, we we prefer it.

Um but the key to this project is having that access to that northeast ninth street because that gives us uh north, south and west access uh on a main thoroughfare, federal highway.

So however we can accomplish that and and meet the requirements, the the cost meet all the parameters that are being set is is best for us.

We would never want the units to to deploy through the park uh simply because of the potential for traffic and limited access outside of the park.

And the ideology behind Northeast Ninth Street is that when you're having say theater or the hockey rinks or any programmed event exit the park, they're coming out Sandy Nininger Drive onto Federal Highway and dispersing from there.

This would provide an access one street north so that we wouldn't be creating more traffic but be able to navigate around that traffic.

Thank you.

And Chief, does that that's helpful?

And does that include so one proposal has the ability to go north?

I forget the street, but basically going north through the park to sunrise to exit sunrise.

Are you familiar with that design?

So is that do you also feel that's not as helpful because you're going through the park?

Our preferred uh uh approach would be Northeast Ninth Street.

Going west on Northeast Ninth, right?

Yes, to hit federal.

Correct.

Uh because that gives us access all the way over to Flagler.

Flagler would make us westbound on sunrise, or it gives us full access.

Okay, great.

Thanks.

Okay, any other questions with the chief?

There'd be none.

Thank you.

You've been very helpful.

Okay.

Mayor, could I have uh Carl come up?

Is that alright?

Oh, Carl, sure.

Is that some parks questions?

How's that Achilles doing?

Looking like new.

Almost, not quite, but almost.

You'll be dunking any time.

Um talk to us.

Um Vice Mayor brought up a good point about just kind of holiday park use.

So I'm out on the holiday park fields, you know, many nights a week.

Um talk to us about use of the fields.

Do we need more fields?

Um when you think about where the surface parking lot is to the just to the south of that, and uh and then if you go east, there's kind of passive green space.

A lot of times there's folks, I see folks there with dogs walking.

So just give me a little flavor of what you see in terms of field need, passive space need, any feedback.

Thanks.

Yes, sir.

So uh there's no question uh that uh holiday park is very very busy with onboarding of the various projects that we have at the facility uh on the park itself, um, it does yield uh a significant amount of use, specifically as it pertains to even our programmed activities as well as some of our leisure activities that we have taking place at the park.

Um as it relates to more fields, you know, it's it's it's tricky because if you you start adding more fields and and looking at holiday and how it's built out, I'm I'm not even sure where we'd even begin if we wanted to add more fields, but um there's quite a bit of a large footprint in that park for a variety of activities that we have to manage on a day-to-day basis, not even just the the different entities that are involved there as well.

Okay, thanks.

And and the the why I bring up the fields is you know, potentially you could put more fields if the commission wanted and is in that south passive area, and then again, part of this parking lot in theory could be a field if if wanted.

I mean, are we how are we doing in terms of uh field capacity at Holiday Park?

I mean, uh it's it seems full, but maybe that's exactly where we need to be and we really don't need more.

There certainly is a sweet spot.

Yeah.

Uh the the fields are two capacity.

Yeah.

So yes.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Thanks, Mayor.

Okay, any other questions?

Carl, thank you so much.

Looking forward to that playground.

Okay, G3 development, please.

Now, a number of you have signed up, so I assume you'll all introduce yourselves.

But I have uh Jake Gunther, uh Jerry Gunther, Stephanie Ruiz, and Jacob Lucky.

Those are the and uh Dan uh Helmick.

Those are the people I have signed up to speak.

Great.

Good afternoon.

Sorry to keep you waiting.

Oh, good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners.

We appreciate you having us here today.

My name is Jerry Gunther, and I'm the managing principal for G3 Development.

Uh here's a list of our team, and they'll introduce themselves as as we get to them.

Our team structure is two things.

It's city-centric and it's simple.

Um, the city is always our priority in meeting their needs.

It's simple, which decreases cost of the city and also decreases the delivery time of our projects.

G3 development, G3 development is a 25-year-old um commercial real estate development company in Florida, family-owned and operated.

Um, we take projects from inception through delivery and own the majority of the projects that we've developed over the last 25 years.

Thanks, Jerry.

I am Dan Helmick.

I'm our executive vice president at Fenfroc.

Uh, FENFROC is a vertically integrated design build construction company that specifically specializes in parking garages.

We've designed and built over 350 of them, most of which in the Florida market, and we self-perform the architecture record, structural engineer of record, design build contractor, as well as the structural precast manufacturing and erection.

Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioners, Tom Green with Keith.

Uh, happy to present this afternoon.

So we're assisting G3 and the ThinFrock team with the site development.

Keith is a locally based engineering firm uh going back to 1998, but roots going over 60 years deep.

We're a local to Broward County.

We're gonna say on the process and the programming aspects for this project.

Our main focus is building community through our service lines, and for this project, we're assisting with civil engineering, planning services, transportation engineering, landscape architecture, and civil engineering.

We know the city very well.

We successfully designed a permitted project of the city, most recently DC Alexander Park and the Aquatic Center.

Good afternoon.

I'm Yvonne Garth, I'm president of Gar Solutions.

Um we are a locally based full-service public engagement firm.

Very excited at the opportunity to be the dedicated resource um between this project and the community.

All of our work is public sector focused, and that's important for you because that means we understand the importance of transparency, accountability, and making sure that your constituents are engaged on important projects like this.

We've been in this community for 23 years and have worked on just about a lot of the marquee capital programs that you see in Brower County, including some of your very own, like the uh Las Olas parking garage.

So thank you for the opportunity.

So wanted to highlight a couple projects that this team collectively has built together.

The first of which was a project for the city of Wildwood, the rail yard and parking garage, which was a commercial mixed use with a parking structure that G3 was the developer for and Finnfrock was the design builder on.

I also wanted to highlight the Harris Pavado parking garage, an over 1,500 stall parking garage, and and with casinos, you know, they care a lot about high function and really um high level of finish so that the people parking in this garage are serviced really well.

Um so also this was an ongoing casino project, so could not disrupt operations and had to keep it very safe, all of which we plan to do with patrons to the park during the construction process.

So thank you, Dan.

And that uh casino parking garage is also part of the pump, which is a large mixed-use project, also in Pompidou Beach.

Keith assisted with this project from consensus through active construction now.

This is over a billion dollar project with multiple coordination with stakeholders, tenants, owners, and permitting agencies.

Keith's role in this one is supporting with uh stormwater, civil engineering utilities, roadway transportation, and planning services from entitlement all the way through site plan approval.

And again, uh local firm with the expertise in Broward County.

Thanks, Tom.

So I mean, clearly this team is very experienced with parking garages.

We could go through hundreds more of an example, but really want to transition at this point into our project approach and how we would deliver this project.

You know, so I mentioned garages for us are a repeat process because we're it's always the same design team working with the same construction firm, working with the same manufacturing group.

We actually also own a maintenance company as well.

So we don't only get the opportunity to monitor how a garage performs day one, but also 20, 10, 20, and 30 years down the line, so that we can make sure that we're giving you the long long-lasting asset that the city deserves.

And in addition to that, we've developed a standard set of details for parking that allows us to make sure that the long-lasting items of how the garage is waterproof and how the garage is lit is going to serve the patrons very well.

And then along with those standard set of details, it allows us to guarantee a price and guarantee a schedule at this point in the project and be very aggressive about it.

That's how we're so confident that we know we can deliver you all the lowest cost and the fastest schedule for this project.

And then we also have local Broward County offices, the South Florida manufacturing facility.

And out of those 350 garages that we built, about a third of them are in the Southeast Florida market.

So we're very plugged into this local community.

We'll utilize local subcontractors through the process and can minimize the disruption to the ongoing park operations with that local construction methodology.

And an important and critical part of our project approach is the community outreach.

Um, this is an investment in the community.

It is going to enhance the community's experience at this site, not just for holiday part, but for the surrounding amenities, including park playhouse.

So it's absolutely important that we start early on to engage the community, not to just to give them information, but to listen as well.

And as we listen to capture that, document that share that with you so that you can make informed decisions about any adjustments that need to be made.

We'll work in collaboration with your strategic communications team to use comprehensive toolkit, both digital and traditional.

But at the end of the day, we want to meet the community where they are, speak to them in a language that's understandable to them and using the appropriate means.

So our engagement framework starts early on in the design process.

Um from day one, we'll we'll make sure that we map out who those stakeholders are and the appropriate and best way to communicate with them.

Um again, really important to listen, capture that feedback, and make sure that it's reflective in the final solution, so that as we get to construction, we have set expectations, we can manage those expectations, and ultimately at the end of the day, um, have the community be part of the celebration of the success of this project.

It's also important to note that our outreach is not just to the stakeholders in terms of residents and the surrounding businesses and um partners, but also to the local business community.

This is an opportunity for an economic impact, and we will work closely as standard practice in making sure we do outreach and we engage as many local uh businesses as possible.

That turn over to Tom.

All right, thank you, Yvonne.

So you've heard community mentioned throughout our presentation, continue to be.

So community is a very important success of this project.

In the next few slides, we're going to run through designed elements of it.

But before you do, we'd be remiss if we just didn't highlight where this project is located, and that this is one of the crown jewels of the city of Fort Lauderdale is Holiday Park.

So making sure that the area highlighted in yellow to the north of the parking garage, making sure that it blends and fits the character of this park and helps to support the activation of all the partners there, such as a parker, the YMC YMCA to the left, war memorial, and the iceplex.

Thank you.

Thanks, Tom.

I'm Jacob Lucky.

I'm a senior project executive here at FINFROC.

So I'm going to just run you through a couple of the options that we proposed to hopefully clear up a little bit of the what PFM presented as well as um the staff.

So option one for us was a standalone garage concept.

So you're seeing a thousand spaces and just under um just at four levels.

So from a visibility perspective, we're talking roughly 35 feet up, which will be you know, you'll see on the renderings, hopefully covered by the canopy of the surrounding trees, not be extremely impactful to the surrounding development that's already there.

Here's just a blow-up of that option one floor uh first floor.

You can see we've you know isolated core locations on that southwest, that southeast to both service the parker playhouse as well as the the holiday park.

And then as far as the entrances off the garage, both at the southeast and southwest, as well as one off the north where that main um ramping structure ends up being.

Our second option is actually that integrated fire station concept.

So one thing to note on option one as well, did not have the fire station, has the capabilities for about a 10,000 square foot fire station outside of the footprint if desired on that northeast corner.

Did you price out that the fire station component yet?

Yes.

And what what did that come to approximately?

That was the um $990 per square foot that we were saying, so roughly 10 million dollars.

We're we're actually have a 10,000 square foot fire station here that's incorporated in our option two pricing.

So that's that's this one, and then you can kind of see the delta between option one and option two there.

So are you saying that the price that you are I'm just trying to compare apples to apples?

Sure, okay.

So uh the price that you've offered with the part with the fire station um is inclusive of the build out of that as well.

See P PFM says on page nine that uh the total cost is thirty-eight million dollars.

Yep.

And that includes the cost of the fire station.

That does the 10,000 square foot fire station.

Correct.

Integrated into the garage integrated within the garage footprint as you see here in that blue.

And it still provides the thousand spaces?

Correct.

And it's actually still providing the thousand spaces and only four levels.

So from an impact from a visual side of things, it's it's almost the exact same.

You'll see when Stephanie runs through the renderings, there's a slight ramp that ends up um happening in the center core, but from the exterior still impears as a four-level garage.

Okay, great.

Is that blue the fire station?

Correct.

Yep, right off that northeast corner.

It's connecting into that that um side street where you know I know the fire chief mentioned not wanting to impact the the path of travel in the park there.

Right.

And then we actually jumping to the next slide here.

You can see in the dark gray, we have 33 secured parking spaces for the fire station alone.

So those are separ separated completely for fire station.

It's included in that thousand stalls, but it is um, you know, currently fenced out.

And we've actually raised the ground floor here versus the other option being a standard garage.

In this one, we've got 14-foot ground floor, but then for the the truck bed that you can kind of see for the fire engine in that northeast, that's actually double height space, giving you about 22-foot clearance.

And so this so based on your design, this looks like a back-end fire station.

Okay.

All right.

Correct.

Thank you.

And then as far as the the alternative option that can go with either option A or B, or one or two is the surface lot.

So, you know, we've we've addressed this quite a bit on some of the other discussions, roughly 300 and 300 plus stalls.

The idea was you guys could build this either before, because it's a faster construction as well as design permitting standpoint, or you can build it, you know, later on down the road if you're just going to be utilizing that as a surface level.

How long of time how long once we give a permit, how long would it take you to do that?

The the construction?

To finish off the 300 stalls.

We I believe we were tracking and it's in the proposal, I believe it was around two months as far as construction only activities.

So you you obviously will still have to permit it, but this is only about a two-month process.

Okay, so once you get the permit, we're you're in and out two months.

Correct.

Okay.

And the cost for the surface is not included in the 38th.

It's broken.

Yes, it that I believe that one was included in the 38.

We haven't broke it out of 25 point, and and Jake will get into this a little bit later where we go through each option, but you'll see it's 25.94 for option one.

I think roughly 35 for um option two, which is the integrated fire station, and then you'll see the surface loss costing about 2.2 million dollars.

So I believe that's where he's getting the 38.

Okay, I'll ask him.

Thanks.

Okay.

As far as the technology enabled within this garage, we're not just providing you a bare bones parking structure.

You can see that from the renderings, as well as you know, you just drive one of our garages.

We're building a we're we're providing a long-lasting structure.

We've got smart lighting, we've got parking guidance systems that are proven and tried and true.

Um, we're we've installed this for Disney Springs.

So this is a long-term facility, and as well as you know, EV charging, backup generators, fire protection, et cetera.

I'm gonna turn it over to Stephanie.

She's gonna run through some of the renderings.

Hi, I'm Stephanie Ruiz, project design architect with FinFrac.

As you can see here, our focus was really to celebrate holiday park for the park aspect and to not necessarily compete with the beautiful new structures happening within it, but complement those structures as well as the park.

So utilizing the area that we have, we're able to make our garage within the four levels to really serve um any patrons at visiting the garage.

Here we're also showing that if you don't take one of the um options of doing solar panels or photovoltaics on the rooftop, you know, we can even do some iconic branding to call out City of Fort Lauderdale Parks Iraq, or do something maybe a little more specific to Holiday Park.

Um understanding that within our renderings, we're bringing in uh metals that look like wood to soften up that base of the pre-cast garage, as well as bringing in artificial green screens along our towering elements that may just pop above the tree canopies while still maintaining the mature trees that are already in Holiday Park, as well as um invigorating the area with lush landscaping designs.

So where is it you said it was at 35 feet?

Those are the elevator columns.

I'm sure those aren't 35 feet.

Is the other elevation 35 feet?

Yes, correct.

Yes.

That's correct.

Okay.

Yeah.

So you'll see here we we're choosing our materialities based on durability, longevity, and as well bringing down the overall maintenance costs of not having to maintain such intense um design elements.

We're also including different uh metal screenings along the elevations of the garage to help uh highlight either more natural flora fauna species to South Florida, or even if we wanted to switch some of those out to be branding elements for holiday park of upcoming events highlighting activities at the ice plaques versus the park or playhouse.

Well, I think one of the most important reasons for having screening is to avoid the fluorescent lighting from you know distracting people from the park setting.

So we don't we don't want any of that, we don't want any of that harsh lighting to to permeate and uh into the into the park.

So that's gonna be an important consideration as you design that.

Um the cut the fact that it's green, you know, um just painting a green doesn't necessarily mean it it has a greening effect.

So um and I see those trees that are along the uh the street there, those are there already from uh as I recall.

So um uh so we will be working with the Keith team to add to the landscape design around it.

Exactly.

On on all four elevations.

Okay.

So we're not just we're gonna save what's there and then add to it as well.

Okay.

Um as you can see here with our fire station integrated option, we're showing the back end um truck base towards that northeast ninth street for ease of access as well.

And then um we'll go through and you'll be able to see for oh keeping our stair towers open for passive security as well as bright and user-friendly as people come to and from the parker and the war memorial.

And we'll go through these um more aerial views so you can get a sense of the volume of the structure, including that center bay ramping, but still being set back far enough that it's not visually obtrusive from ground level to the patrons.

Okay.

Can you just go back to that one of those um aerial yeah, that's fine.

So ingress, egress.

So there's one point on the north side, it looks like is that right?

And then one on the east side.

Yes, one on the north, and then there's one on the east and west on the south side.

So coming um in from the parker or near the war memorial auditorium, there's ingress for vehicles.

Three total.

Yeah, so three total west side, east side, and north side.

Yes.

Okay, great.

I just want to be clear on the.

Okay, thanks.

And then just running through a quick project timeline.

I know we've got a lot to work through as far as dealing with the city, working with the community here, but we're assuming a project award to design um permitting.

We're using utilizing those three months for public outreach, hearing what the neighbors in the community have to say, developing the schematic design.

From there, we're we're assuming a site level or site plan level four is going to be required for this.

So um DRC planning and zodiac city city commission while we're developing the architecture, engineering, and the mechanical electrical fire protection designs.

And then you can see here starting design till garage completion with us being vertically integrated.

We are very accustomed to being able to guarantee a schedule, and that's where we feel confident with that 11 months, and then we continue on for operations and maintenance just being if that is something the city wants, we are open to maintain or open to and um handling that as well.

And then, you know, public safety and MOT, we've already started working with our our transportation team to understand how to get best into the site without you know impacting the the current park operations.

We have a dedicated site superintendent that's just primarily focused on safety.

And then, you know, as Dan mentioned, we're pre-prefaging most of the structure off-site.

So what that allows us to do is, you know, from a construction side side of things, you know, the structure is going up extremely quickly with minimal impact to the surrounding environment.

And again, you're saying 11 months from award to completion?

No, eleven months.

Yeah, we'll go to the three months from project award to design and permitting.

Yep.

10 months from design and permitting to construction cost start.

Okay, then electricity.

Shovel in the ground to garage completion is eleven months.

So you're looking at two years.

Correct.

Two years.

Okay, great.

Nice.

So the financing overview.

Oh, I'm sorry?

Let's talk money.

Yeah, yes, it does.

Um G3 is uh is very experienced getting money.

And uh the approach that we used here was using our money for the project.

And when Jake goes through the numbers on the lease payments, that was the assumption, but obviously if the city wants to go through the tax bond with us, then that will drop the payments considerably.

The cost will be the same.

But just so you know, this was the city not having to put up any money for the construction or um sign on to any loans.

Is your cost of money less than our cost of money?

No, it's about two percent more.

Okay.

And so, yeah, uh if that if if that's what you would like to do, that's the way to go to the tax-free bonds for sure.

Okay.

Um the asset transfer agreement.

Um, we're able to do that whenever you guys want it.

Could be um a fee developer where you own it from day one, it could be when we get the CO for the garage, it could be after a 30-year term, or it could be any time in between, whatever we, whatever you guys determine more flexible, can make that happen.

Uh the structure finance plan, as I kind of briefly said, um, could be a mix or any of these three tax-free, is obviously the least expensive, but we can also have um private equity or um or senior debt.

The transaction structure is what you guys would own the land throughout the project, we would build a building and and form a special entity and then do a long-term payment plan where you would get the project at the end of that payment plan.

Good afternoon, Jake und there, G3 development.

Um wanted to discuss the cost options associated with our two different garage options.

Option number one, as we discussed, is the standalone garage option only, not inclusive not inclusive of that fire station.

The total cost for that project is roughly two point 25.94 million dollars, which translates to a 2.161 annual lease payment, and we have that lease structured over 30 years.

Uh moving on to option two.

It's the garage with the fire station included within the footprint, and the garage is fully built out.

Um the the total project cost for this is 35.8 million dollars, which translates to an annual lease payment of roughly 2.95 million dollars a year over 30 million.

Three million a year for 30 years.

Does the math doesn't make sense there?

That's 90 million dollars.

So the 60 million dollars in interest payments?

Yes, sir.

That's it with your financing.

Well that's yeah, that's using about the financing.

And again, we approached it from not using L's money.

If if you know you want us to, we can we can 100% take it.

Yeah, thank you.

Yep.

And then you know, to answer Commissioner Sorensen's question, that 38 million dollars number is inclusive of please complete years.

Yes, sir, of um that uh of including the surface slot.

So it's an additional 2.22 million dollars or an additional 185,000 dollars a year for option A or B.

So thank you.

And so do you get if if you surface lot, fire station, garage, you get the total of 38 million, right?

Yes, sir.

And then the per space when you include per space with the surface lot, is the 25,000 per space inclusive of surface lot or not inclusive of the surface lot?

It's not, it's 25 for the garage, and I think it's about 7,000 for the service lot, so it's a it would be less.

Yep.

Okay.

Great.

All right.

Um do you have any uh final uh statement you'd like to make?

Other than please use us.

Um what's the um what's uh like useful life of the garage in your estimation so through that standard detail process that I mentioned to you, part of that is we've gone through and studied garages that are 30, 40, and 50 years old, even cord samples to get chloride contents and you know, so it's hard to get to an exact number, but you know, everything we designed for is well over a 60-year useful life from um a long-term longevity and durability of the the concrete structure itself.

You know, there's obviously other things inside of it that require maintenance and you know, light fixtures aren't gonna last that long.

The elevators are gonna need maintenance before then and replacement.

So, but from a structural perspective, well over 60%.

Can you construct the garage in a way that uh story or two could be added?

You can from an economics perspective, it really starts to affect the cost per space.

Um we have gone back on previous projects and added a full solar array that wasn't necessarily designed for in the future.

Um really it's it's very impactful from the construction perspective when you come back to build those extra two floors because you have to completely empty the garage.

And so you're paying for to actually pay for the upgraded foundations and the lateral system to be able to handle it, is really not that big a deal.

But to expand those spaces in the future would cost you on order magnitude triple of what they would cost you today.

So if if you all wanted to phase this, the better way to phase this would be a horizontal expansion rather than a vertical expansion.

So we would shorten the garage footprint now, build it a little bit taller, and then leave our sales footprint to go horizontal in the future.

Those spaces tend to go in more at an average cost per space.

Going vertical is a is a far more expensive proposition.

Okay, great.

Have you for the surface lot have you used or thought of um semi-permeable material that allows for greater percolation?

Yeah, we certainly can.

That's not what we priced um in our base price, but that's would be no problem to utilize that methodology.

So great.

Thanks.

Okay, any other questions of these folks?

Okay, great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

All right, so let us begin.

Uh this is uh Holiday Park uh uh Holiday Park Parking Partners.

Um thank you for being here today, thank you for your patience.

Uh these are the people that have signed up to speak.

Um uh Cody Keis, uh Roger Baum, uh Teen Woon, Larry DeRose, Rolando De Panas, uh Jordan Samkoff.

Anyone in the office?

Vincent Gennetti, uh, Juan Justiamano, uh Ted Cava, and Gregory Kimmelman and Juan Alfonso, um Mr.

Green, and Mr.

Markham and Mr.

Anderson.

Okay.

You got three minutes.

Go, no.

Okay.

All right, good afternoon, everybody.

My name is Millish.

You didn't sign.

And I'm one of the teammates on the uh Holiday Park Parking Partners team for the Holiday Park Garage presentation.

Uh, John Miller's going to talk a little bit about what our team's doing here.

Thank you, Mayor John Mill, is the attorney for the team.

I just want to talk briefly about how we got here today.

This has really been a ten year effort to get to this point.

It really started after the renovation of this center, which Styles was the general contractor for part of our team, and really did an outstanding job.

The focus was then on the parker, and we all participated in that, the renovation of that.

And that was a several year process to convince really the folks, the foundation to fund that.

The one main issue was the what I call the dirt lot next to Parker.

And without getting into the whole history of that, it was decided that uh there would be a line item in the Parks Bond referendum, which passed.

Uh, many in the room supported that.

And me, me personally, I thought, hey, that's done, we can just move off of it.

It was a mistake because there's a lot of other competing interests, important things, and that money was, you know, utilized for those purposes.

So we had to go back to square one.

So, what I want you to understand is this was the team that came uh to the table three years ago to come with a twenty-first century multimodal approach with a new revenue stream.

And they spent two years on this.

Um and and they came up with a thoughtful uh P3.

And that's what the other uh teams responded to, which was nothing wrong with that.

But I just want you to understand the takeaway is you know, this team is really demonstrated the dedication to the city, the commitment, the problem solving.

So you know if you select them, uh you're gonna get a world world-class facility.

Uh thank you.

Thanks, John.

Uh so we're gonna go run through our introductions.

Uh we're a little short on time, so I'm not gonna be able to hit every single person, but you've got a team comprised here today of the design build team of the financing team of parking advisors, who's the number one uh parking asset advisor in the nation, um, and all of our team that's local here to this project.

This team has a very uh integrated approach, and all of our teammates will be involved from the development through design construction to the operations and maintenance of the project.

Uh Clarence Capital, their financing partner based out of Del Rey.

We've got parking advisor, like I mentioned, the number one parking facilities operator in the nation.

Should the city choose to go that route of the OM.

Justin Architects being the architect for the project who's been in the city of Fort Lauderdale for 46 years designing parking garages and fire stations just like this, uh winning awards here from the AIA in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

Uh we listened to our neighbors when we went to the different HOA meetings at Victoria Park in Flagler Village, and um their main concern uh from Victoria Park was the stormwater uh issues that were in Holiday Park.

So we asked CES consultants to be on the team as a civil engineer uh who's very experienced in stormwater in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

Uh Verteports by Atlantic is the optional design feature uh partner who we'd be talking about the verteport decks a little bit further on.

But when we're talking about the verteport decks, we're talking about air taxis that you may have seen recently in the news on Facebook, on Instagram.

Uh but these EV tolls are very quiet.

As you're gonna see in here, the helicopter noise pattern heat map is very high.

But uh my my recommendation is don't use up your time much on that, focus on the parking garage because the commission isn't really settled on what we want to do as far as that's concerned.

Okay.

Okay, I'm gonna skip the next video, so let me get right through this.

Okay, and then you have Styles Construction, who's part of the design build team.

Styles has been in the city of Fort Lauderdale for 70 plus years.

The buildings on here in red are projects that Styles has worked on, but they've also done 74 parking garages in South Florida.

It's over 43,000 total parking spaces, and that's 17 million uh total square feet of parking garages in South Florida.

Core, we're lucky to be the number one public safety builder in the nation.

We've completed over 200 fire stations and 31 uh parking garages for that other potential component.

Uh we have the EMR safety ratings.

The industry averages 1.0.

As you can see, Core and Styles EMRs are well below, uh meaning that our teams are extremely safe and some of the safest teams that you'll see present here today.

Uh as we're talking about building projects, we're not just talking about the buildings themselves, but we building people and committing to local participation.

And as you can see in the projects that we've done here in South Florida, not only have we met our local participation goals, but we've also exceeded those goals, and we'd be happy to commit to an amount should uh that uh be a desire of the city.

Um this is just more of work that Corinne Styles has done together in the city uh in the community.

Do you have the sound?

Not from you.

Can we pause the time while they get the sound back?

Or can we pause the time while they get the sound on?

Yeah.

Because we're we're losing time.

Okay, I won't I'd like to at some point I want to hear like to hear from Chief again about parking uh fire station incorporated into the building versus separate.

So pros, cons, Chiefs, if that any feedback.

Thanks.

Are we making progress on the sound?

I think we've we need to get going.

Well, speaker just fell off the table.

It's it's dead now.

I say just go ahead without the video.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Let's just keep going.

Keep rolling.

We can come back to it.

Sure.

Okay.

Can we have the PowerPoint back up?

I guess that's me.

We need the slide deck.

I hope your technology is better than ours.

Someone needs to push a button.

Or waiting, maybe could I would you like Chief Golden?

Yeah, is that right, Mayor?

Answer that question.

Chief, can you come up?

Thanks, Chief.

So again, just any pros, cons fire station in the structure versus separate?

Not really, no.

Uh for our collective bargaining agreement.

The only thing that is outlined in the collective bargaining agreement is that we have to provide secured parking.

If we look at the project like we have at Station 117, the Heron Parking Garage, uh, we we recognize that the valuable parking is at the lower levels.

And so in that particular situation, we've put a fence thin area on the roof of the building of the parking garage, and that's where the parking for the firefighters would be.

Okay.

Um but as far as inside, just making sure that we're meeting the building requirements for any you know, fire ratings and and sound dampening so that they're not hearing the vehicle traffic within the structure.

Okay.

So you think that'd be fine.

Uh yes, the dampening can work.

Um last presenter, I think had 33 spots allocated for is that kind of the number we need?

No, sure.

That's excessive.

Yeah, what what number is?

Probably about half of that.

Okay.

Uh you know, at any given uh you would just need two spots per seat.

So if we started out with just uh an ambulance there, a rescue truck there, you're looking at only six.

So that would be you know, three people on a truck, so six spots uh with the potential to grow to a secondary unit in the future, which would be another somewhere around that 12 to 15 would be ample parking.

Okay, great.

That makes sense.

And then you you I don't know if you've seen the design layout of of this um presentation, but it's the drive-through.

And so my question is just if you can track me, you don't have to do it right now, but just how you would see going in and out, because I also heard you say you don't want to go through the park, so I'd just like a little feedback on that.

Uh you know, I I think that uh in a perfect world, we would want to be separated from the traffic of the activated sites within the park.

Uh I think if you keep the main thoroughfares of the park open for the traffic that is visiting, whether it's a tennis or or the Panthers arena or parker, uh and utilizing the two main orderways.

Uh that would allow them to exit east and go up north to Sunrise Boulevard and exit if they were going eastbound on sunrise or coming out Sandy Nineger Drive to either go north or south or directly west.

We would then have Northeast Ninth Street.

Yep.

Uh that would not have the same amount of traffic, hopefully, okay as the other two activated roads.

So even if you could go Martin or could go Nininger, you just stay ninth going in and out.

If this was uh if this I see on the on the drawing here is a drive-thru bay, what we would do is we would enter from the east when returning.

So we were coming out to 9th uh street.

We would come in.

So you come to the is north, north and south with the fire station on the north end of the building up by the CD uh equestrian area.

This one's on the east side of the building, oriented north-south, I think.

Right.

So it'd be something you see here.

Juan, you want to walk them through the uh sorry, yeah, you're right.

Okay.

Here's here on the north side.

This is Martin.

Yep.

This is Martin right here, so there would be the ingress.

Got it.

Right?

So you'd be west facing the US.

Got it.

Okay, now I'm good.

Right.

Perfect.

Thanks.

Are we back on?

We're still not back to wherever we're doing some.

Trying to get back to where we just trying to get back to where we were.

Okay, so the video is not working, Roger.

Go ahead and jump to the development period.

Okay.

So yeah, as we get into our project approach, um, this is a uh kind of a basic look at the development timeline that you could expect, and it you know, basically starts with an interim agreement being executed.

Some prices.

Excuse me, we're not seeing it on the screens down here.

Oh, we can see it here.

Yeah, okay, thank you.

You can you can see it?

Okay.

Um, and then uh concluding with a uh comprehensive agreement and commercial close.

And so most importantly, we want to go to this slide.

So, you know, basically what happens next once you execute an insert uh interim agreement with our team.

And um, it's basically we're gonna jump right into four uh key working groups, uh community outreach and education, which is you know, kind of your town hall meetings and uh working with the community to refine program, the design build working group, um where we're really looking to align aesthetics and affordability.

Um and then as if you choose to engage us for the financing and uh ONM, the additional two work groups financing where we'd be working with your staff and uh PFM and uh and then the ONM working group, refining the revenue stream uh with verteports, hopefully, and um the garage itself.

Uh and so um sorry, can you just go back to that timeline?

Yeah, please thanks.

Oh, that's true.

Yeah, it's okay.

This haven't gotten there yet.

Okay.

Yeah, we're that that was more high level.

Yeah.

And that's what happens if we are selected.

But we've already done is started the community outreach uh for the two closest HOAs that are there, the Victoria Park Civic Association and the Flagler Village uh Civic Association.

And we met with them prior to submission of the proposals, and when we were working through the design, and we took the comments that they had into consideration.

Uh one of the comments being storm water and drainage, and like I said, we brought on CES uh civil engineering to do the uh design on that portion, as well as the main concern for Flagler Village was not having a uh safe clear walkway across from once they get across federal, being able to make their way all the way to the Parker to the war memorial, and uh we proposed adding a sidewalk that continues that entire length of the grass that's there.

Juan thank you, Cody.

So our our design design um concept and vision starts for for us identifying and noting that the this structure is not only a parking garage, but it's a main main element in the park.

So what we have uh looked at is that this structure can unified all the things that are happening at the park, it's gonna be part of the park in the environment.

So in order to do that, how are we gonna get there?

In order to do that, we identified a number of goals.

That's what you have on the screen.

And the design that we're putting in front of you has all those get this goals embedded into the design.

For example, efficiency, sustainability, resilience, cost effectiveness are part of what presenting to you today.

So connectivity was one big item that we would that we looked at.

We went beyond the property line and we looked at what this this is going to do to Sunrise Boulevard, what is it gonna do to US one?

And just what the commissioner was asking a minute ago, how are we we're going to accept the access the fire station from Martin to North East North Street?

So that has been a study have been looked at.

The next item that was critical and important on the design side, it was the functionality of the building.

How we're gonna make it efficient, it's a three-bay, ramp in the in the middle, 90 degree parking, uh dual traffic.

So we looked at this in detail.

And Juan Alfonso is gonna give us how do we plan to solve drainage.

Thank you, Juan.

So we understand the the criticality and the importance of drainage in this particular project, and we have a three-step process that is proven and that it caters back to the work that we've done through our experience with For Lauderdal, which is model the work beforehand, not wait for the design to start for the design to start to provide detailed information to start making decisions, move forward with the design.

Obviously, at that time we can start looking at collection system, conveyance systems, and then go through the permitting process, which we're planning on doing, a pre-application meeting that allows us to understand the details up front and then plan accordingly to not let the permitting be a hindrance.

Next is the impact.

We understand the impacts of a three to six-acre site, and you know what that means in terms of running the water in and out.

Uh and we have some solutions, which is you know, uh improve the existing drive retention rails uh areas, and also last resort.

If we need to look at drainage wells, uh if that's part of the design and the solutions that we need to bring forth.

And lastly, are some materials that we're thinking of putting forth.

And the first one you've seen some of these concrete papers before have a great lifespan, 25 to 40 years, the same with the previous concrete.

We have some samples here, which we can pass on later on, and then the permeable asphalt, shorter lifespan, uh and slightly lower costs, but still some of the options that we can employ and that we're gonna work together with the team to make sure we address the issues.

Thank you, on so we understand that the city how important it is to the city the planting and trees and potential.

We have looked at that, and what we have done.

Can we go to the next slide, Courtney?

And we have done if we identified the areas within the site that we can protect the mature native trees and also areas where we can have new trees when the during the site.

Next slide, please.

So looking this is a thoughtful design that that as I stated in the beginning, incorporates in every one of those items that we identified as goal, wayfinding, vehicle queuing, rice airing, paid transperience.

It's important to us and how we protect the design make the design.

Next slide, please.

So let's go back to the fire station for one second again.

We certainly we're a flexible team that we work with the fire marshal and the chief to make sure that it the fire station is designed for safety.

That's critical to us.

We could pardon me.

Do you have any preliminary details on the cost of a fire station, or is that just uh an artist rendering?

No, I think that we have preliminary correct.

We do Greg, do you want to cover that with Christoph?

Yeah.

Yes, our our fire station costs are in line really with the others.

Actually, ours are about $15 a square foot less, but they're they're all relatively close in that I think it was a $970 a square foot range.

So yes, our we have contemplated what uh Juan and his team have uh proposed for the project.

So is the same square footage?

At $15,000 feet.

Um, not at $15,000.

Theirs was 10,000.

Yeah, ours was at $15,000 is what we do.

Now we're we're $11,500 square feet, which we can eleven thousand five hundred square feet, which we can adjust during the design should you want to, but that cost per square footage number is what's important, and it's at $970 a square foot.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Mayor, I wanted to address also a specific item that you asked uh previously.

Uh concerning now, the number of parking spaces, the footprint that we have right now holds 200, 200 parking spaces.

So in three levels, we reach the 600.

If you so desire, then we can go to a thousand with two additional levels.

That's one one option.

So what what would the total height of the garage?

What you're seeing right now in this volume says exactly the full full five five stories of parking in the well in the 30 part on top.

So you have five stories of parking and and that's a thousand spaces?

That is correct.

And that that that includes the rooftop, correct?

That is correct.

Okay.

And um, how is it that the other people can do four stories and get a thousand?

Maybe the footprint is larger.

That's that's the other thing that we think if the footprint increases, then you can get more parking spaces.

Okay.

And we also have a couple of different design aspects that we thought were important to consider in that footprint being the ride share pickup and drop off, uh, event parking, uh, valet.

If the city wanted to do that, we can widen our footprint, but we increased the space for the parking and green area in the front, as well as the ride share pickup and drop off to not hurt the queuing inside of the garage because we don't want to cause traffic congestion inside the parking garage.

We prefer to have that on the exterior in that dedicated ride share lane.

But if you want it to be four stories, we can widen that footprint and meet that.

Okay, thank you.

One more additional item that I wanted to mention here on this image right here.

Do you see that we have looked at the aesthetics of the building?

And is we're we're trying to complement what you have, what we have right now at the Ward Memorial and the Park and Playhouse on the other side.

Uh and now I think that uh we go to the Not only do we have an innovative approach, but we also have an innovative approach to the construction process as well.

We understand the South Lot is very critical to the city, and we have a proposed plan to deliver that during the interim agreement, and we'll have four years video showing that.

We have an overall construction duration of 11 months.

This is gonna be about nine months to build the parking garage with an additional two months to build the uh uh fire station.

On the 4D schedule that you see here on the left-hand side of the screen is the south lot.

So we're doing most of the planning preparation right in the interim agreement.

So we're gonna have a two month construction schedule starting.

At the same time, we're doing the foundations not only for the parking garage, we see the foundations going in for the fire facility.

You see, the fire shell is already built, and we're gonna be building the shell of the parking garage on the opposite side, so we're building both shells concurrently.

At around month six and seven, the shells are complete.

We're working on the interiors of both the parking garage and the fire station.

Um the last three months we'll be doing all the finishes on the inside as well as the outside.

And we're turning the project over in month uh 11.

And at month 11, we're not only in the life saving business and the parking business, but we also have the option for the third ports.

What would be, Cody, what would be the total cost for fire station plus thousand um parking spot garage.

Our total cost for the thousand spaces for parking, uh you you don't want the the uh surface lot?

Yeah, you can you can include it or okay.

So that total cost across the board is 34120 uh without the fire station and with the fire station is 42 million three hundred and seventy-five thousand five hundred dollars.

Forty-two million for fire station uh one thousand spaces and surface lot.

Great.

And is that surface lot using a semi-permeable?

Correct.

We factored in being able to use a semi-permeable, there would be a cost savings issue if you went with traditional asphalt, but we wanted to make sure that the sustainability goal was already addressed in there.

Okay, great.

So mayor just saw I'm tracking.

So that's 42 million total for what I'm hearing on this project.

The previous project again, if Raquel, maybe you're it was 38 million plus 2.2 million for the surface lot, or was I don't think the surface level is the same.

38 million, okay.

And I just I just want to clarify because it was mentioned earlier, but the information and the specificities on the inclusion of the fire station, the uh cost, the schedule, the square footage.

Staff did not have that information available to us, nor did PFM, so it wasn't included in the package that you have.

So we are uh learning today a little bit more about those details.

Thank you.

Okay, thanks.

And so we'd also just talked about how we have parking advisors.

If the city had choose to do the OM, um you wouldn't need parking advisors if you wanted an operations and maintenance partner, parking advisors is the number one uh parking asset manager in the nation, which allowed us to provide a one-year parking pro forma with different abilities to generate revenue in the garage.

So that's one of the values that you'll get from having a partner like parking advisors of being able to capitalize on that space if you so choose to to help offset your cost that's in there.

But ultimately it's our job and our finances team's job to give you the best information that we can with real-time market data so that you can make the best decisions that fit best for the city that staff is able to uh work with us as well to be able to come up with those options so that you guys can make the best decisions.

All right, since we're running a little short on time, I'll just go quickly with respect to uh our financial structure and capacity of and then we'll go into a few more details, but I just want to call your attention to the bar charts.

Um what that represents is essentially the payment structure that goes along with the P3.

And one of the beauties of a P3 model is the predictability, the fixed nature, right?

Uh the traditional model at the bottom.

Can you can you borrow money for less uh less cost than the city?

We can borrow money very uh very close to what you do.

It's typically about uh one notch, one to two notches off, which is maybe a half a basis point.

What is it what is a notch?

About a half a basis point.

So but in the end it would still be cheaper for the city to borrow its own money.

It's always cheaper to put general obligation behind that then in because if it's gonna be cheaper for us to do it, it's well we're very close.

And uh but but even if it's ten cents, it's still better for the taxpayer.

It depends on if you do general obligation or not.

Uh if you don't put general obligation behind it, then we're pretty we we could be the same actually.

Okay.

We borrowed the same before.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So we've only we've only got a minute left, and I we didn't really talk about the verte port much, but the value that that brings is the potential revenue generation.

The cost of actually constructing the verteport would be bared by our team.

We would be the ones spending that money at the end of the 35 year period of the loans, the city would own that asset.

They would own the verteport that they never had to pay the 10 plus million dollars that will go into building that top deck, as well as every year the vertiport by Atlantic will be making a lease payment to the city, helping to offset the cost that you would be making to pay on that uh loan that was taken out.

You would be generating that revenue and not having to charge for parking, or it could be an option that's in there, but ultimately you're gaining a ten plus million dollar asset at the end of the lifetime of that loan.

But aren't we losing parking spaces by putting a verte port up there?

No, you're not.

So the top that top deck is completely separate.

You still have the thousand spaces below.

So if we were to eliminate the verte port, we could add another two hundred and fifty spaces.

Yes, but we can ultimately add six floors of parking if you wanted additional spaces.

But I'm saying at the at the structure that you've priced out right now, if we put parking on the on the roof, that would that would add another couple hundred spaces to the total amount of uh capacity.

Yes, it could.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, interesting.

Well, the thing it would also add income to the city, too.

For the for the vertiport or for the No, for the for the extra parking.

If if you're charging for parking, yes.

So whether we get the income from the vertiport or the income for the parking is still more income to the city.

As long as the parking garage is full and fully utilized.

Correct.

So you would have to be to that top deck of twelve hundred spaces being full all the time to gain the same thing.

You see that the reason why I I mean uh just me speaking, but it's the reason why I didn't want you to really get into that part of it because we haven't really discussed you know the the viability of having a verte port there.

So we've we've had we've we've talked about it, we've thought about it, but we haven't really had a policy conclusion on that.

So I didn't want you to feel like you had to dwell on that just yet.

Sure.

Well mayor with all the respect.

I want to see the video.

I I want to, it's part of the proposal.

And I I know that in attending the neighborhood association meetings um uh Flagwood Village and and Victoria Park, there was uh uh a real level of excitement from the neighbors about that concept.

I I think it is part of the proposal.

I I know it's part of the proposal.

I want to see the video.

I don't know if we can see the video, they were having problems with this.

So could watch the video, unfortunately, the piece of audio hardware as it started, went out and it is not coming back.

So I'm saying we can watch the video, it's not gonna have the sound to it.

Well, I'm fine with seeing the video without the sound.

I mean what's the sound gonna be?

Is it is it narrated or maybe someone could narrate it as we're watching.

Or I'll yeah, or I'll try to remember what I saw when I went to the neighborhood association meetings and I'll narrate it.

Why don't you why don't you go hmm?

The boring engine.

Yeah.

Actually, they don't make noise.

Let's uh let's go to the video.

They don't make any noise.

Uh let's go to the video.

Mayor, uh while we're doing that, it's you might as well fill be filler.

While we're while we're doing that, one of the things I I really do want to talk about, and I and you you mentioned it, uh at some point I want to get into this conversation.

So I just want to be on the record as saying I don't believe we should ever be charging to park at a park.

This is one of the few things that our residents can do that's no cost.

You can bring a family to the park, they can engage in recreation.

Almost everything we do down here has uh a cost to it.

And this is one of the few things that I think families can bring children to, let them get out there, let them run around in the fresh air.

We're always talking in this country about how our our kids are suffering from an epidemic of obesity.

We want them to be outsort outdoors.

We want them uh running, playing, doing things.

And I I think charging to park at a park just sends the wrong message.

So I I would personally encourage us to back away from any revenue generating aspect that involves folks paying to come to a park for recreation.

It's one thing when we're talking about charging for people going to the performing arts center, the other the parker uh experiences, that's great.

If people are paying to go to war memorial, that's great, have at it.

But I think if people want to come and utilize a park, if they want to go walk, if they want to just go play pickleball or do any of the other things at the park, I don't think we should be making it more costly for them to be able to do that.

And I I think this is a good time for us to be talking about that.

If revenue generating is a component of how we're paying for this.

Well, I don't even know if any of these proposals talk about that.

I think that's that's a policy decision that we ultimately need will have to make it.

No, I know you just you mentioned taking the top floor instead of the verteport and charging for parking up there.

That's why I thought it was timely to introduce the concept that I'm opposed to paying for that, okay.

But to the extent that we would we might charge for people who are attending a performance that or either at the war memorial or at Parker.

So Parker keeps the revenue under their lease.

So when when we've got parking at that because we've got to provide them with six hundred and fifty, I think roughly spaces.

So um and under under the terms of that lease, if I remember correctly, from when I used to attend all those meetings, they keep the revenue.

It's part of how they're paying for the thirty million plus dollars that they invested in the renovation uh Parker Playhouse.

So I don't think we get to keep any of that.

I don't know the answer to that.

And Vice Mayor, I believe that we provide access to the spaces, but I don't know that we are required to provide the revenue to the parker for those spaces.

I think that's I think that's part of the agreement.

All right, well, let's go back and look at it.

Instead of instead of speculating, at some point, let's just bring that back and you can and we can make an educated decision.

Um Do you have any conclusion to your remarks?

Since we can't see or hear anything, no, we can see.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay, so as you're going to see here, uh, these are the air taxis, uh, EV tolls, electrical electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles.

Uh that we're referring to when we talk about vertiports on the top deck.

Uh these are two and through cities and we are developing critical infrastructure for advanced air mobility.

Imagine avoiding rush hour traffic by taking a short flight across town, or a quick trip between nearby cities on a safe whisper quiet and emission-free aircraft.

That imagined future is becoming a reality.

It's due to the combination of two advancements.

EV tolls or electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft and vertiports.

The infrastructure where these innovative aircraft will operate into and out of.

Okay, very good.

Mayor, if I could just make one closing remark because I didn't have a chance to do that.

Ultimately, whether you choose to go with the verteport, you choose to opt out of the verteport, you choose to go with a fire station without a fire station.

Our team's proposing to have the quickest schedule of being able to deliver that fire station in 12 months.

If you would like to do the so the South Surface Lot, we're able to do that during once we get into the interim agreement, not the comprehensive, which is going to take some time to get to a general uh uh GMP, but being able to deliver that south surface lot as fast as possible so that the people that are going to be attending park uh the Parker, the holiday park will have that south surface lot and turn that over prior to getting to the actual construction of the garage.

So that that logistics issue that um Ben Rogers was talking about, we'll be able to get that south lot open before we've even started construction on the new garage, which will allow for the uh park to have a 300 space lot so that they're not hurt during that transition period of both lots being under construction.

Okay, very good.

Anyone have any questions?

All right, very good.

Thank you so much, folks.

We'll take a five-minute break so we can transition.

Mayor, okay, never mind.

A lot more time on this.

Do we need a motion or no?

We don't need a motion.

We'll need a motion tonight.

Yes, but not now.

Okay.

20 minutes.

Uh Commissioner Glass.

Folks, can we kind of keep it down a little bit?

Okay.

Um Commissioner Glassman.

Is he here?

And when we come back at the end and have final questions and stuff.

We can let's keep moving.

Okay.

Thank you though, Mayor.

Thank you.

But I did want to ask him some questions after.

Thank you.

Okay.

Park place.

Uh good afternoon.

Agenda, some introduction.

For team members today.

We're not going to go through the come up and talk.

Thank you.

Ray Garfield with Garfield Public Private.

We're really pleased to be working with this great team to be invited to join it.

We've been uh doing public-private developments now since 1997, about two and a half billion.

Every one of those is involved parking garages for the infrastructure that we develop, whether it's a standalone parking garage like this, perhaps with a fire station, or whether it's garages to support convention centers, uh performing arts centers, etc.

So pleased to be here.

Along with along with Ray, we have Morgan Stanley who is here, who's probably the number one uh financial expert that uh comes and does P3s with us, Walker Consultants, who's our uh parking garage expert, Stratus uh who's our design team as well as Craven and Thompson who assisted us with the landscaping, the landscape architects and the civil engineering.

Um here's some of our team members, you're gonna hear from a lot of them today.

But we are community.

What does that mean?

Well, I can tell you what that means to me is that born and raised in Fort Lauderdale.

I'm gonna be at Holiday Park at 6 30 tonight, uh, maybe for soccer practice.

I was there Saturday for soccer games.

Um you're gonna see a lot of the experience that we have is specifically in Holiday Park for whatever reason.

Um we have a lot of experience in the last five years, and we know this site.

We're gonna talk a little bit about that as well.

Um the delivery methodology that we're talking about is the P3, which is a great uh methodology for the city to determine.

It speeds up your process.

I think I heard by maybe two or three years today, which is great.

Uh Ray is gonna talk a little bit about the uh single source of responsibility and being the developer.

Yes, and we as I said have been in this now for a number of years and are pleased to serve as a single source of responsibility with this team with golf and with the other great partners that we've got.

Uh certainly when you look at the schedule, the uh the cost and guarantees you're looking at a super general construction firm.

But um, you know, we've helped bring in Morgan Stein Morgan Stanley.

We uh certainly can uh help address the operational issues if the city decides it wants a third party, and if not, it can operate it very well itself.

Merrill is gonna come up and talk a little bit about the design and and what her thoughts are.

Hi, I'm Merrill Romanic from what used to be Sinolovsky Romantic Sci, which has now been rebranded as uh Stratus.

Um we're local, we've been here 36, 37 years.

Um when we looked at the garage, we know that there has been a tremendous amount of growth and uh building initiatives here on the campus between uh the parker, which the folks at golf did, war memorial and the investments made there with the Panthers, and now the YMCA, which is also uh developed by Siskovich, which is now also a Stratus uh brand partner.

So we're delighted to be here.

The garage not to um have it outshine the neighboring facilities to the contrary, we wanted to keep it simple and elegant and really engaged with nature.

The idea was that it would be blend right into the park and not stick out too and too uh evidently and make it a really casual stroll from the garage.

We really looked at it as a place that you could stroll from the war memorial into the garage, the parker and out, and really feel like you were still in a park.

Um we enhance the landscaping around the perimeter and we added uh buffers using the existing trees, and we added mounds so that there's safety and security for the folks to traverse and layers of landscaping.

We also added landscape treatments and textures to the garage to help break up the massing.

We have breeze block at the base, which allows for the breezes to continue that we all enjoy here in South Florida to continue to flow through the garage and keep it as cool as we possibly can.

Adds texture to the facade.

We also introduced aluminum fins that help uh bake break up the massing and the planters.

The planters are filled with artificial material, but it also we decided to use those there because you won't be able to necessarily touch them in their position, but they add more greenery and allowed for the garage to fade into the scenery.

Um next slide.

You can see the berm on the right, and I'm gonna let Mark talk about kind of the access and the egress.

We didn't look at it like we were just placing our garage.

We wanted to make sure the garage placement made a lot of sense for the traffic flow, and he's gonna fill you in on that.

Great.

Thanks.

Uh good afternoon.

Thanks for having me.

Uh Mark Santos with Walker Consultants, uh, also based here in Fort Lauderdale.

Um, so uh for my 25-year career dedicated to parking, there's a few things that we look at with parking structures.

Uh the first being, you know, we understand as Meryl mentioned, uh, this project is integrated into this community.

That is not, you know, something that is going to be a site impact.

Uh so what we ended up doing was actually looking at the whole campus in its entirety, uh, including the parker and the YMCA, of course.

We also are looking at flexibility, looking at the difference between demand parking, event parking, and public parking, and we have some options we'd like to share with you.

Additionally, we have uh want to make sure we have adequate access.

Uh as you know, we've probably been in parking facilities where it's a grid lock or it's a bottleneck.

Uh the flow and functionality that we've designed here really helps alleviate a lot of that congestion.

A few things when we design parking structures, we do want to be user-friendly.

Um we want to make sure it's safe and secure.

Uh, and we also want to make sure it has an efficient layout.

I will say, being with Walker consultants, uh, we may be one thing that sets us apart, is we have a full knowledge of the parking lifecycle.

We plan garages, we design garages, and maybe most importantly, we also restore garages so we understand the operational impacts and long-term uh durability effects.

So a few things about uh the program itself.

This is a great shot.

Uh, we are looking north, and a few things that we've incorporated with flexibility uh with regards to the parker here specifically.

So at the bottom left, uh you were looking at um a curb cut for ride share for pickup and drop off.

Uh the valet pickup and drop off is to the left underneath the portica share, which is existing.

Um what is hard to see is the valet will actually create a clockwise loop around the parker.

Uh and in the far image uh down that straight drive lane will be where the vehicles enter into the parking garage for valet.

Nice and quick turnarounds, a lot of right-hand turns.

Uh, in another image you'll see uh down the line, but on the right.

Yes.

So the valet so right now the valet is in front of the park.

Are you saying you would valet inside the garage itself?

So the uh the valet, the the people getting picked up and dropped off would still occur right under the portica share.

Okay.

But the storage of the vehicles, and sorry for not being clear, would happen inside the ground floor of the parking garage.

Okay, thank you.

So kind of quick in and out.

Thank you for the clarification.

Uh and then it's kind of hard to see, and then there's a better image, but on the right hand side, kind of behind those trees, we have a separate entry-exit for vehicles.

Uh for also for those not using valet, but would go to the upper levels for parking uh for the parker.

Uh, one of the critical things we want to mention here is this is a great shot looking east, and when we talked about that integration, you can see that significant setback.

You can see the connectivity.

Um, one of the things that we looked at as as a design firm was having the garage be visible but not overwhelming, and we think that's one of the key components here that we're looking at.

Uh and this is another shot that's uh it's a little bit hard to see as well.

Uh, but where this is the south elevation where that gray car is.

Uh if I'm going to the parker and I decide not to use valet, I would use this dedicated entrance and immediately go up a ramp uh to dedicated parking spaces for the parker within the middle bay and the western bay, um, which is obviously close to the parker.

Uh so in summary, uh, we are looking at a thousand space garage on five levels.

As I mentioned from uh our background of the parking and structural side, we're very familiar with the pre-cast system of different manufacturers, and again, really, really understanding that durability component.

Uh the flexibility we'll talk about a little bit more because I think this parking structure has great um design considerations to account for both the event side of things and the daily side of things.

And if you look at the site plan then the handout, the fire station is actually placed on the north end of the garage.

It is a two-bay fire station with seven bunk rooms identified, and we even included a floor plan so you could get a sense of the space.

They will egress out the northwest corner of the garage, loop around the back of the parker, and end up on ninth.

There's a traffic signal on ninth, so the firefighters can easily go north or south and not have to traverse the park if there isn't a call in the park.

Right?

So that makes it more convenient for folks.

You don't have the sirens, you don't have the safety concerns of people blaring through.

They hit the signal, they do their thing, and then they can go where they need to go very quickly.

So it's a very clean plan.

Solar option, we've added that layer into it.

We're the goal is to use that for the power for the facility, and then we also have the 300 surface parking lots.

And this is just a brief summary of the uh schedule itself.

So we're looking uh just in totality, uh, eight months for uh comprehensive design and entitlements, uh concurrent with uh 12 month construction uh for a total of 20 months.

Um and but the concurrencies you can see right we're anticipating an overlap of uh permit activities for about four months and just our cost drivers and our decision makers really is our goal was to make it very park centric.

We didn't want to lose it as an amenity to the public.

There's a lot of development going on around us.

We want the park to remain that oasis where people can go see greenery, can walk and stroll casually.

And we also wanted to have enhancements to the facades that felt natural, subtle, and and solved the problem so it didn't look like a massive garage.

We broke up the massing very nicely, so that it would do that for you.

And just to wrap up here, just to help reinforce the what we look at as a parking designer and a structural engineer.

Uh so at the bottom left, uh, what we ultimately have are two ramps within the parking facility.

Wait, wait, you want to change your slide?

There's no bottom left here.

Uh um, I'm sorry, uh, the bottom left uh box.

Oh, okay.

Yes, yes, I'm so sorry.

Yep, still the same slide.

So when we look at parking structures, we want to make sure it's enough flow and capacity.

So we are recommending two ramps for this facility.

Uh that will definitely help alleviate with any kind of bottleneck with flow, but at the same time in the future for operations and maintenance, god forbid a car would break down, and we know maintaining is a key item for the structure and for the city, uh, gives a lot of flexibility within the facility itself.

The second thing at the bottom right is we do have multiple entrances to this facility for valet for the parker for the public, again, helping alleviate and allowing a great functional design.

So people have a great experience um coming to this to uh Holly Park.

A couple things uh just a clarification on page three of your handout is the full site plan if you would like to look at it.

Um of the main things that I think is so important on this project is that the city is obligated to provide 600 spaces to the parker two hours before, two hours after.

How are you going to do that if you don't have segregated entrances for the parker for valet and for the public?

Someone's gonna come in through the nutcracker next week and they're gonna say the whole garage is full and I can't park anywhere because there's no dedicated entrances.

This is a thoughtful design that Walker did because they knew about the city and they know about the requirements from the leasehold entrance.

Uh quickly, we're gonna talk to JW.

Come on and talk about the financing.

Thanks.

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, City Manager, thank you all.

We uh appreciate being here.

It's JW Howard with Morgan Stanley.

Um, you know, when we've been involved with the city over the years, and we clearly understand what the mission is on the financing.

It's really gonna be a city controlled financing.

And what I want you to come away with is that Morgan Stanley wanted to be part of this process to express our commitment to the city.

We've had the pleasure of working with you in the past, and what we're gonna offer you today is fully consistent with the city's control, full transparency, as well as you know, our commitment to purchase the debt directly that you will issue.

We'll work with your city, your staff, because we have a mandate at Morgan Stanley.

We need to invest in the communities we serve.

And so what we're offering, and not sure you've heard this from any of the proposers, but we're offering to buy the direct purchase of the bonds onto our portfolio for our investment.

And we think that saves time, effort with your staff who it's gonna be very busy with many of the projects that you're looking at.

And so this is a matter of expediency, convenience, and full transparency as it comes to cost.

Um couple things, just looking at the slide.

Since 2020, we've invested over 9.7 billion in the communities we serve.

And that represents you know our lending effort, which is mirrors a traditional bond issue, has full pricing transparency for you.

You could go back to the other slide if that's okay.

And structuring flexibility.

So we cover all that, and we work with your staff and your city financial advisor to get to an acceptable financing.

And we've done this in South Florida, and we've done this with uh issuers throughout the country.

So we're able to purchase the entire transaction.

Whatever you decide to end up financing, we're prepared to make an offer and bring that onto our portfolio.

So we think this gives you significant uh flexibility.

A couple of the efficiencies when you do a public offering, you have to develop a disclosure statement.

You have to do a marketing period with bond investors.

You don't have to do that.

You don't have to prepare a disclosure statement.

We buy it directly.

So moving on to the next slide.

We put together an illustrative example of what the financing could look like.

And again, we'll work with your staff.

We looked at a couple different credits that are available to you.

We figured it was the parking credit at the end of the day.

And so this is a representative bond structure that is again fully working with your staff to fine-tune it, optimize it, you control it.

But we size it to an A level credit.

Um we put, for example, you if you want to look at some of the line items, um, you know, we put capitalized interest in there to give you budget time to take you from period of construction before you have to start paying debt service.

But it's whatever you all want to end up doing.

Again, you have a great credit in terms of your covenant to budget and appropriate, but looks like you're going to be using that for the city hall.

We modeled this.

Uh, you know, there will be uh based on a market index, based on a credit spread, based on our cost of capital.

It's an attractive tax exempt yield of 5.23 based on today that we write a check for.

And we've had this experience with you in the past.

We did a little bit different deal with uh Prospect Lake and your P3 there.

We led that.

But we've made investments throughout South Florida that we've listed in here for your review.

I thank you for your time.

And if you have any questions, we're just glad to be here and part of your team.

Thank you, Rob.

Thank you.

Just so I get back.

I'm sorry, J JW.

What was the what was the anticipated interest rate on that?

Five point.

All in five and a five point two three percent.

Okay.

If um if we did a a backup security pledge, will we be able to reduce that down?

Yeah, because that's based on a look, it's based on revenue.

All right.

I'm not your financial advisor, but I could tell you what I think that I might do, but don't take this as advice.

Put it on your parking credit and then wrap it with something as you say, a backup pledge.

That's what I was thinking of.

Yeah, we could, you know, and then you'll get a better rating, and you probably eliminate the death service reserve fund, and next thing you know, you're really d-leveraging.

But I wonder it's easier to go down than up.

Right, you know, in terms of numbers, right?

So I gave you kind of the top number here.

Sure.

But to the extent you enhance the credit, the optimization, and you probably get it below uh you know a five percent at that point.

Right.

So we're basically talking uh single issue, private placement.

You're gonna you're gonna hold the paper basically for your own portfolio.

Yeah, we sign an investor letter, we're sophisticated.

So no official statement, so we have no registration on it.

We basically skip all that.

We go you gotta give me a QCIP number.

You're still issuing bonds, right?

You have to go through your deliberations, you know, tell me you're gonna pay me back, you know, resolution all.

Of course we are, we're nice guys.

Yeah.

But yes, you've got it correct.

Okay.

All right.

No.

That's great.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner, City Manager, Rob Gillette with Gulf Building.

Just wanted to give a little information on the companies.

You've heard from the individuals, you've seen us.

So this is an example of what Garfield Public Project has done.

You spoke, you heard from Ray Garfield.

He's got 29 years, 25.5 billion dollars worth of P3s, 2.5 billion.

Gulf Building, 35 years, headquartered right down the road, South Florida.

You can see the representative projects we've got, the Parker, the YMCA, fire stations, parking garages, solar arrays.

Walker parking consultants is preeminent in the parking field.

Very fortunate to have them on our team.

Nobody's comparable to them.

And Stratus, you heard from Merrill with SRS.

Look at the the projects they've been able to accomplish, but more importantly, let's talk about their history with fire stations.

They've got over 55 successfully delivered fire stations.

So as we talk about the incorporation of a fire station within this facility, they are the right team to help design and incorporate that.

Craven Thompson is going to be doing our landscape and civil engineering.

They're well known throughout South Florida, representative projects here, bring that expertise to Holiday Park for us.

Operations management, we've heard the discussion with respect to do you want to hire a third party manager or do you want to keep that yourselves?

We've brought the opportunity or brought brought Metropolis, which was SP plus with us as an option.

They are currently operating the concession as the parker for the parking concession.

Finally, local small business community.

This is an example of what we did at the LA Lee MySell YMCA that we completed just a few years ago.

What do we do?

We do outreach.

We have gold, we have the sledgehammer events, we do groundbreakings, job fairs, grand openings, and most importantly, let's look at the small business utilization.

32 percent small local businesses.

That wasn't a contract mandate.

That was something that Golf pledges to do as part of a local business.

We've done the parker, we're building on YMCA, we're building the Brow Broward Health Freestanding Emergency Department, and we want to add this parking garage into it.

This is an example of what parking looks today or used to look like with all of the cars.

282 on the west side, 185 on the east side, but the eight east side is no longer available to us.

So we've got to come up with a solution.

All right.

That was a lot.

Um hopefully you have some questions for us because there's a lot to talk about, um, which we haven't really gotten to, but here's an overall shot of the parking garage.

Um, you know, it it talks about everything that we've done.

We think that we've hit every we've checked every box that the commission has asked for.

We think we've integrated it.

Um I know that there was a lot of questions early on about the um the reviews of the numbers and how many spaces in this.

Um, but we're here to talk about whatever you would like to ask us.

At the same time, the only way you can properly evaluate, and by the way, Mayor, I'm done.

So is to really do an apple apples apples comparison, which is what you're gonna see in front of you here.

So uh all right, so you you you just gave us this new chart.

It shows the blended cost per space is 31,000.

Um that's including the surface space, right?

That's correct.

Okay.

So what you have in front of you, Mayor and Commissioners and Vice Mayor, is what we do every day.

We have thousands and thousands of sub bids that come in on a weekly basis.

We have to level them.

If you don't level them, you are you're looking at a vacuum of a bunch of numbers that are really difficult to understand because everybody proposed something different.

This was our attempt to level every proposal.

So as you can see, you required a thousand spaces and three hundred surface garage surface parking garages, surface spaces.

How much does each one of those cost?

Well, two of the proposals were pretty close and what their costs were.

All right, we can we can figure that out.

All right.

I just want is have you completed your presentation with the process?

Yes, we're completely presentation.

So any questions you have them here.

All right.

Does anyone have any questions?

Yeah, thanks, Mayor.

Go right ahead.

Thanks, John.

The leveled cost, so you're at 41 million, and that includes the fire station.

Is that correct?

The 41 million is inclusive of the just the garage, just the garage and the spaces.

So you have not you have 985 parking spaces.

However, what we did is in order to level it, everybody has a thousand spaces now.

Because if we have 985 and someone else has 600, how do you know how much that cost is their total all-in cost?

That's what we did.

So everybody on this bottom box has a thousand in the garage and 300 surface.

No fire station, no solar.

Okay.

So what's your total cost for fire station plus a thousand plus three hundred?

The fire stations at $8.8 million.

So $8.8.

Okay.

So $49 million total.

Thank you.

Thank you.

While you're doing that, uh, Commissioner Sorensen.

So, you know, when we were building fire stations, freestanding ones, and I'm going back a few years.

We were originally at like five million dollars a station, and obviously construction costs have gone up substantially.

But I would have thought that being part of a larger structure would have offset that to some extent.

So I'm surprised that we're looking at $8 million on a on a fire station.

I would have thought by incorporating it into an existing structure that we'd be able to get down towards that five million, which was our freestanding number from say ten years ago.

So it's helped me understand.

It's a good question because you would think you got to use the same roof and the same walls.

Well, we're actually building a fire station with a roof and walls inside the garage.

It's not just like putting up interior walls.

Unfortunately, no.

You got a floor, you got a ceiling, you got engineering uh, you know, foundations and no, because Chief Golan would be calling me on day one saying, I hear every car going over my head if he didn't get it.

He doesn't mind that, they don't sleep anyway.

We want to make sure that the fire department can sleep in their beds.

Have you ever slept in a fire station?

I have not.

You can't sleep.

I I have.

The alarm goes off like every 20 minutes.

I'll take your word for it.

Um but but no, we have to build it a box within a box.

Okay.

Thank you.

I have no questions.

No questions?

All right.

Thank you so much.

Thank you very much.

Pat, I have a question for you.

So could you come up to the you don't you don't need to tell us what you um so you handed us something uh during the break.

Right.

And uh you have it in front of you.

Yeah, I do.

Okay.

Mayor, can we let the other proposers in at this point?

Absolutely.

Okay, thank you.

Let me wait till they come in here.

Okay.

Let me wait till they come in.

Well, they're coming in.

John, one of the things I've asked the other uh folks is so I'm interested in something that's semi-permeable for the surface lot, a material that allows water to percolate.

Sure.

From stuff like that.

Sure, right.

What would be the added cost for that material?

For permeable asphalt or for permeable concrete.

Whichever is cheaper.

Permeable asphalt, and we probably wouldn't do that because it raves up.

Okay.

And it's not a long time.

Yeah, it's not it's not very durable long-term durability.

So concrete would be a substantial increase.

Okay, but it's permeable.

Are you familiar with these like kind of we have in the city hall garage?

We have like pavers that paper blocks, yes, paper blocks that allow for percolation.

Yes.

We would not recommend that either.

For that, we'll just put new grass down and use a different type of system for that.

Okay.

Okay.

So no cost estimate right now.

No.

No, I mean I could certainly give you one, but we don't have one right now.

Okay.

Um are they coming in or did we interrupt happy hour?

I'm not sure.

They're trickling in there.

Okay.

Hi, Rita.

Yeah, okay.

We're going to get started.

Okay.

So, Pat, um, I'm going to put aside everyone else's uh summations of costs and and so forth that I'm just going to rely on you.

Okay.

Okay.

I feel you're more objective.

Okay.

So for G3, uh, you have the cost of the standalone garage, and that you come up with a total of $38 million.

And that $38 million, I assume does not include the fire station, correct?

It does.

It does.

It includes the fire station.

And the surface lot.

And the garage.

All the pieces.

So each one includes the fire station and the south parking lot, correct?

For G3.

For G3, yeah.

That's 38 million total.

All in.

Right.

Okay.

Moving over to Holiday Park.

Um, does that include the fire station and the uh South Parking lot?

It does not include the fire station, but it includes the surface lot in the garage.

And the garage, correct.

So the fire station uh would be additional.

So we're saying uh we we're talking $10 million.

They mayor, yes.

They said holiday parks at 42 million total.

They are 42 million.

42 million total.

So let me put that down.

Yep.

I'll agree.

Okay.

And park place garages you have at 52.8 million, correct?

But the yeah, the original um proposal that I reviewed, yes.

Okay.

But their adjustment there is 49 million total.

And Pat, you don't have the surface lot included for park place.

Correct.

So it's 49 million without the surface.

49 million with the surface.

And the fire station.

And the fire station and the garage.

Correct.

Well, it was originally $52,800.

Right.

But now it's down to $49 million.

Right.

Now it's brought it down through the right.

I think the fire station brought it down.

What?

The solar is taken off.

They included the solar in the calculation.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

So comparing apples to apples, all right.

We're looking at the standalone garage of a thousand spaces, and I'm just using round numbers.

Okay.

Um, the surface lot of around 300 spaces, the fire station of about 10,000 square feet.

Um, and each one of those components are included in your summary here.

Is that correct?

Right.

Yeah.

And G3 came in at 38 million.

Holiday Park came in at 42 million, and uh park place came in at 49 million.

Am I understanding these numbers correctly?

Well, on on the on the holiday park parking, um, are you looking at the grand total for the standalone in the surface lot information that they gave us without the fire?

And and and plus the fire.

Well, you so we're adding in the fire now.

That that wasn't the same.

I want to add apples to apples.

Okay.

So you're right.

So it was 335, and Commissioner Sorensen said if you add the fire station, it came to 42 million.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm with you.

Mayor, could I just clarify something?

If you're doing apples to apples on patch sheet, are we looking at 600 garage spaces?

As opposed to the thousand that you mentioned?

Yes.

Yes, you are.

Because it it originally it's uh G3 is a thousand spaces, holiday park is six hundred, and then park place garage was nine eighty-five.

Right, but I believe Holiday I believe Holiday Park said they were they were able to provide a thousand spaces.

Right.

For that same price.

Yes.

Uh no, no.

Right, Corey?

I don't know.

Please clarify this.

I don't think we have the thousand for the same prices.

I just need to know what we're dealing with.

Oh go.

Sure, I'm pulling up the cost.

Give me one second.

Can you repeat the question just to make sure I get your answer?

Your your cost of uh for the standalone, I want to know what how many spaces you're providing in the standalone parking garage, and uh at what cost is that come to?

Sure, to clarify that number, uh per the I have the per space of I don't need the per space, I want the total amount of spaces you're providing and the total cost.

Two seconds.

And Pat, while he's adding it up, the num I'm looking at what you have for surface lot, like for G3, you have 300 times 7333 for 2,199 and change.

Right for Holiday Park, you have 300 you're there.

Why how could their surface lot be over 11 million when the surface lot for the others are two million?

Well they they use the surf um the purse base uh as the same as the garage at 37,222.

It doesn't make this doesn't make sense.

Cody, what's your total for everything all in?

Everything everything all in including the fire space?

No, it's answer my question.

Sure.

31 million uh five hundred thousand for just the garage by itself or a thousand spaces.

Okay.

So it's thirty-one million, and then for the surface lot, it's another eleven million?

Can't be.

No.

That doesn't make sense.

No, that's why I say ask Pat.

Okay.

This numbers doesn't make sense.

Well uh on the schedule it's six it was originally six hundred parking spaces for the garage at three thirty-seven thousand two hundred and twenty-two dollars.

And then the surface lot was three hundred quantity of spaces at the same thirty-seven two hundred and twenty-two dollars.

Which that's a that's an inaccurate statement.

Can I make a suggestion?

Well, no, well, wait, what's it let's do that?

What's your total for the surface lot?

1.7 million.

1.5 million for the 300 space.

300 spaces, correct.

Okay.

And fire station?

Hold on.

So $31,500.

$31 million,500,000.

31 million 500,000 for the parking garage, a thousand spaces.

And then 1,700,000 for the surface lot.

Right.

For 300 spaces, right?

So that comes to 33 million two hundred thousand.

Correct.

Now here it says 33 million 500,000.

So we're close.

All right.

Well, Mayor, you didn't add in the fire station.

I'm not there yet.

Okay, good.

Well, you gave the total, so I thought you were there.

Read along what you're I'm reading ahead of you.

Go ahead.

Okay.

So for the standalone and the surface uh surface lot, we're at 33 million four hundred ninety-nine thousand.

True.

Then you would add, then you would add the um fire station, which came to approximately 42 million according to Ben Sorensen.

So those that's how those numbers add up.

So you're at 42 million with a thousand spaces.

G3 is at 38 million with a thousand spaces.

And park place is at 49 million with a thousand spaces.

And that includes the 300 spaces for the surface lot and the fire station.

Everyone on the same page?

Uh-huh.

Page one.

Okay.

Now do you have questions?

You're good?

Okay.

All good.

Thank you.

I just wanted to clarify the the surface lot for the holiday park.

What is it not the same unit price for the garage?

That's why I said that.

No, no.

The unit price for the service lot would be a lot less because you're not building anything.

You just but that's the price that is in the proposal.

Well, and we're clarifying.

Okay.

This is we're clarifying it now, which is there was confusion.

Okay.

And that's why I asked Cody to come up here and clarify that.

Okay.

Because for the for most of them, the surface lot was like 7,000 a spot.

Right.

As opposed to the 30s.

Right.

So we're seeing a we're seeing uh a delta here between G3 and park place of about 11 million dollars.

And then we see Holiday Park somewhere in between.

And that I just want to make sure that we're all looking at the same numbers as we start to make our decision.

Okay?

All right.

Um, any members of the commission, do you have any questions of Ben Rogers?

Who's sitting there patiently and quietly?

As always.

Poker face.

Yes.

I have a thought not as much a question for Ben, but um so I think gotten good information.

The numbers, some of these numbers have changed.

We've had some corrections.

Uh so I think to make an an ultimate decision, I think we need more time.

I think PFM should analyze the updated numbers.

I think our city auditor should uh provide you know updated analysis.

So I'd suggest that we vote on this in in January, um, given all of the changes we're seeing, so that we can fully look through the numbers, make sure they're accurate, spend time with neighbors to educate them so that we're all fully informed and have time for feedback and discussion.

Um, I hope hoping we're gonna make a decision tonight, but uh I I'm ready to go tonight, actually.

I this is started in March, it's already now December, so I'm okay with uh moving forward like we told the public.

What do you think?

Pam, what do you think what are your thoughts?

Um I am um leaning in the direction of um Ben because there is a it's a lot of changes that we're looking at tonight, and then be able to um bring that back before our neighbors and let them understand and get clarity, just the transparency of it.

I you know that's my my goal is always to make sure as many as our neighbors um are aware of what we're looking at.

To me, this is like um what we talk about often.

We um we post the agenda and then we come in with changes at the last minute.

So this new information, I believe that our neighbors should have the opportunity to also digest it.

So I prefer to defer it.

Vice Mayor, what are your thoughts?

I would agree with that.

I I think we've got too many numbers being bandied about on the fly, back of envelope kind of stuff, and I would like to have one solid concrete set of numbers that all say the same thing that incorporate the same aspects that we can look at and evaluate and that our residents can also look at.

So I don't mind waiting a little bit longer.

You know, I think to to the point uh, you know, we put seven million dollars in the parks bond, what back in 2018.

So we we've been at this for a long time.

I don't mind waiting until the next meeting to wrap it up.

But I I hate when we are asking folks to stand at the podium and start adding up numbers for us and committing to something and run the potential of, you know, maybe I did it wrong because I was doing it on the fly, and then we've got to walk it back.

I I would rather just have one comprehensive set of numbers that are normalized so that we're looking at the same things across the board.

Okay.

Well, I will say this.

Um what you're all saying makes a lot of sense.

Um I think that the numbers will again change uh now that everybody knows what everybody else is proposing and all the details.

Um that might be for the better of the city.

So maybe it's the best and final then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I will but we're not going to take any more public comment.

There's one person who signed up to speak, Gary Olson.

Gary, are you here?

Gary.

Okay.

So he was the only person that signed up to speak.

And uh so we're not gonna we will it will not be a conference item next time.

It'll be an agenda item on the evening.

So that we'll just we'll just vote based on a backup that we'll receive from uh from uh staff, and then we'll go forward with that.

Please.

So if I could just ask, are we re-engaging PFM then to again go through all of this information for us, what we've heard today, uh new information, handouts that we've received.

I I just am asking because I I have noticed and I brought this up today that I've noticed some inconsistencies that Ben had to clarify for PFM from the city side.

I just want everyone to be on the same page.

I I'm just a little disappointed that we didn't seem to be on the same page today, that we were getting different reports and and different presentations and what would you like to see?

Well, I want to I'm asking if PFM is going to be re-engaged, and if they are, I just want to make sure that somehow we're working with them to make sure that everyone is working from the same numbers, the same page, the same data, uh, because I didn't feel that today.

I understand.

If not, I think we can I apologize.

If not, I could I also think we could have the auditor's office do this.

I mean, this is I think the auditor's office might be sufficient.

You I think Pat put this together.

I'd put a lot of reliance into Pat.

Pat, is there something you feel comfortable going through all these numbers and standardizing them?

And yeah, we we we can definitely do that.

Uh I just again what I was trying to do here was quickly kind of get as close to what all the pieces are because some of them didn't have the fire side.

No, we have that.

Now you know what we're doing.

I don't want you.

But I don't want you quickly doing anything.

I want you to take your time and put together a comprehensive analysis.

I mean, I what I could do is is um you know, go through the numbers again.

I don't know if you still would want PFM to do more in depth into some other areas like um, you know, we we we had the um the uh reference letters, but we really didn't get the uh the financials on this at all.

So I don't I don't know how deep you want to go into that.

Uh right now I think the commission is just looking for uh some clarity and some uh finality on actual numbers.

Okay, right.

And I think look, all three of these uh applicants uh are very well qualified.

They all have a good history, they're all experienced, they're local, um they all come in with something uh that each one has um something that the other one doesn't.

Um so I just think that you know we are blessed to know that there are three very qualified people, uh entities who have come forward and looking to to build this parking garage for us.

Um as the vice mayor said, we've been working on this for how many decades?

Yeah, yeah.

But I don't want to be I don't want to be you know uh delaying this any more than we have to, but it but because we've been um you know there's been a lot of um uh uh difficulty in trying to arrive at at concrete numbers, I think one more meeting since it's not a this is not a time certain kind of thing, but we do want to get this going.

I will say this.

When we were first told it was going to take four years to build a parking garage, it it kind of startled us, and now we're hearing it's gonna take less than a year.

So I mean, once we give the permit, so um I'm very very uh happy to know that.

So why don't we just uh defer it to the uh first meeting in January?

And then uh and then Pat if you can get back to us with um the brief.

Uh okay.

I I just have one question about that with a schedule, because now we're also deferring Las O'S Mobility, right?

Yeah.

I was expecting to.

That's the conference agenda item.

This is an evening item.

I understand.

I just want to make sure because there were also two items that I was expecting from my district at this commission meeting that are not happening, the New River Trading Post and also ISHOF International Swimming Hall of Fame project.

So are they also coming on January 6th?

In other words, are we gonna have a repeat on January 6th of this backlog?

I'm I'm just a little concerned.

Is Isha and New River Trading Post coming evening of January 6th?

That's the intent.

So evening meeting, not conference.

So we're gonna have those two.

Plus, we're going to have Las Olas Mobility, plus Well, Las Oulas Mobility is going to be an afternoon item.

And then night.

Yeah, but then all the discussion will have taken place already.

So that would not interfere with the longevity of the evening meeting.

Okay.

I'm glad you're confident.

And then we're going to have to leave it to me.

I'm so comfortable now.

Okay.

And then we're going to have to also do uh Las Olas.

What was the other one we deferred today?

Oh, this.

And New River Trading Post.

New River.

Lasolas.

I think I'm still leaving one out.

No?

All of that is going to be at night.

Yeah, but I show if we've I show if we've we've discussed ad nauseum.

I think we kind of know where we want to go with that.

So I thought we discussed this at nauseum as well.

No, no, this is the first.

I'm just clearing the deck and making sure everyone knows the deck is cleared.

January.

That's all I'm saying.

Okay.

So that when we find ourselves in the same situation on January 6th, saying, why is there so much on the agenda?

At least we've had this discussion.

Okay.

And if if I could clear the deck on what was referenced earlier in terms of PFM and its analysis, uh we provided the information that was provided to us.

Some of that information has been clarified just today, and some of the information was clarified prior to the meeting, which is why we provided that letter to the commission, and why there may have seemed to be a discrepancy.

So as we've seen, various proposers have modified their proposals, whether verbally or in writing.

And so I just want to be clear that we've tried to provide as much accurate information as possible in advance.

Okay.

Let's let's move on.

Let's move on.

Mayor, can I just one last thing to kind of put a final point on this?

So can we agree that just to make it easier for everybody?

Can we agree that we'll price this out based on a thousand space garage, 300 spaces, surface lot, fire station at I don't care, talk to the chief, whatever square footage of he wants the fire station to be.

Let's have a consistent set of criteria that you're pricing out.

Totally agree with you.

So it's always apples to apples.

Right.

That way.

Look, it's like building a McDonald's.

They all look alike, okay?

Okay.

Dan, did you want to say something?

I just wanted to clarify, and I think Vice Mayor beat me to it.

I just want to make sure that the Commission wants us to re-engage.

We're not utilizing the numbers that were summarized tonight, but you want us to re-engage with each one of the proposers with a defined four or five criteria and have them give a breakdown for each of those criteria with a total number.

And that's what we would be bringing back to a night meeting in January.

Correct.

So you will be meeting with all three.

Yes.

I think that's really important to discuss and confirm everything so that when you give us some sort of excuse me, mayor.

I'm good.

But we're running out of time.

But I don't tell you when you need to stop talking.

So I think that seriously, I really I because I want to make sure that this happens and it happens correctly.

So indulge me.

Thank you.

You must have been a teacher.

I'm good.

I was.

So I want to make sure that we're confirming with everyone, making sure that when we get some sort of Excel spreadsheet, it's apples to apples.

And we don't have this, you know, this questioning and that we're just uncertain.

So I'm just happy to hear that you're going to meet with all three to discuss and confirm.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor.

Is there anything else that the Commission would like to ask of Mr.

Rogers or the City Manager?

Okay.

So we're going to um we're going to continue this meeting after the evening meeting with Commission reports and the city manager's report.

But right now the city manager has requested an executive session uh to be held immediately following the 4 30 p.m.

executive closed door session.

The session will serve as a preliminary or kick-off discussion regarding collective bargaining negotiations with the fraternal order of police and the International Association of Firefighters.

In the meantime, the City Commission will now privately meet to conduct discussions between the city manager, the city attorney, and the city commission relative to pending litigation pursuant to Section 286.001 parentheses eight of the Florida statutes in connection with the following matters.

Present at the Attorney Client Session will be myself, Vice Mayor Commission, Commissioner John Herbst, Commissioner Stephen Glassman, Commissioner Pamela Beasley Pittman, Commissioner Ben Sorensen, City Manager Raquel Williams, City Attorney Sherry McCartney, Deputy City Attorney Dwayne Spence, Assistant City Attorney Robert Aldershaw, and Certified Court Reporter from Bailey Enton Court Reporting.

The estimated length of the session will be about 15 minutes.

Yeah.

Let's retire to the green room.