Welcome to the City Commission.

This first meeting for the year 2026.

Thank you all for being here tonight.

We have a lot to accomplish this year, and uh we're very excited to begin tonight with our first meeting.

And uh but before we begin, uh just to let you know, those of you who are here for the first time, we begin our meetings with the Pledge of Allegiance and then followed by a moment of silence, and then we have certain announcements, and we have one presentation tonight.

So something to look forward to.

So if I can uh invite Ashton Paul and Zoe Wilder, if you can please come up and join me at the podium.

Come on.

Nice.

Right over here.

I just want over here, over here, over here, over here.

I just want you to know they never stand up and applaud for me.

So come on over here.

So um uh uh Ashton and Zoe are going to uh lead us to the Pledge of Allegiance, so I invite you to do so now.

Get close to the microphone, put your hand on your heart.

Your other hand, your other hand?

All right, very good.

Go on.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with deliberately and justice for all.

Yay, very good.

For your services tonight, we have something for you in a bag with some great things that we've got.

All right, did you bring your parents or any of your family here tonight?

No.

No, just the two of you?

They drove me.

Did you drive here?

Why don't you step back a little bit against here?

We'll take your picture.

All right.

How are you?

Smile pretty.

Very good.

Thank you so much.

So Ashton and Zoe are from Northside Elementary, and we're very happy that they were able to join us here tonight.

So thank you.

So uh as we continue on, uh, we now invite you to join us in a moment of silence.

And as we do observe that moment of silence, I'd like you to recognize uh three people.

Uh Harry Stewart, who is our former city attorney who recently passed away, who's our city attorney for a number of years.

Uh Paul Aragonus, uh, a transportation mobility security guard who is with us for 12 years, uh, recently passed away.

And also I'd like to uh recognize um uh uh Bryant Perry, who uh Penny, excuse me, who uh who 30 years ago today um was killed in the line of duty.

He was only 27 years old.

So uh uh Mr.

Officer Penny, we uh miss you and uh uh we recognize you each year as we uh recognize all those who have fallen in the line of service here in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

So if we could just uh uh join one another and have a moment of silence in memory of those folks.

Okay, thank you.

Uh this is also a time when we recognize people who have uh served for in our city for a very long period of time and who have now retired.

So I'd like to uh announce uh there are six of them tonight.

We start with Dwight Lewis, who is a lead facilities worker in parks and recreation, who was with us for 38 years.

Congratulations, Dwight.

We also recognize Alan Diamond, who was the police officer with our police department for 26 years.

Congratulations.

Yeah.

We have uh Martin Hendrick and Donald Gauntner.

Uh Martin was with Parks and Recreation, and uh he was with us for 12 years, and Donald Gauntner, police officer for 26 years, Jesse Gossman, police officer for 18 years, and Steve Higgins, a police officer for 18 years.

Thank you all for being such a great great part of our community and your public service to the people of the community of Fort Lauderdale.

So having said all of that, I would now ask the clerk to please call the roll call.

Vice Mayor Herbst.

President.

Commissioner Glossman here.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman.

Here.

Commissioner Sorensen.

Here, Mayor Trentellus.

Here.

On the agenda, we just have one amended item uh in CR1, which is a consent agenda item.

Um item K was added to the CAM and the resolution regarding a $4,000 transfer.

If you have any questions, um we can bring it up at that time.

Uh so having said uh that one amendment to the to the agenda, can I have a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting and excuse you have tonight's meeting and the agenda as amended?

So move.

Second.

Do I have a move in seconds?

Move and second, please call the roll.

Vice Mayor Herbst.

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman.

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman.

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen.

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes.

And the agenda is amended and the minutes are now approved.

So we have one presentation tonight.

I'd like to invite Commissioner Beasley Pittman, who's going to make a presentation declaring or recognizing January 6, 2026 as Three Kings Day in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

And it is Jorge Feliz De Rosario of Fort Lauderdale Hispanic Police Association is here.

Is he here tonight?

Welcome.

If we have any other members of the Hispanic Police Association, please join us.

Hello, everybody.

Okay.

All right, I was making sure I'm in order here.

But first, I would like to say happy King's Day.

Okay.

Um, I have the honor to present the proclamation from the office of the mayor, the city of Fort Lauderdale.

Excuse me.

Proclamation in recognition of Three Kings Day.

This has been okay.

Let me put some glasses on you all.

Requested by Commissioner Pam Beasley Pittman.

Whereas Three Kings Day is celebrated each year on January 6th and honors the visit of the three kings.

Who followed a star to Bethlehem to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

And whereas this festival tradition is widely celebrated in Spain, Puerto Rico, Mexico, throughout and throughout Latin America.

And it holds deep religious and cultural significance for his I'm sorry, for Latino families in the United States.

And whereas, according to the Gospel of Matthew, the three kings travel great distance, bringing gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh, representing Jesus as King, God, and human, and teaching lessons of faith and generosity and devotion.

And whereas families celebrate Three Kings Day throughout through joyful traditions such as gift giving and children's parades, family gatherings, and sharing Rashon.

Is that correct?

ROS Rashawn.

Help me with this one.

Roskong.

One more time.

Roskong.

Okay.

Very much.

A special cake that symbolized unity and hope.

And whereas three kings are traditionally understood to have come from different regions of the world, including Mashar, who is often depleted as being African origin, reflecting a longstanding artistic and cultural traditions associated with this celebration.

And whereas Three Kings Day is both a religious and cultural celebration that strengthens families' bonds, honors heritage, and enriches our communities.

Now, therefore, we the city commissioners of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, do hereby proclaim January 6th, 2026, Three Kings Day in the City of Fort Lauderdale.

Stated this day, June 6th, January 26, 26th, signed by our Honorable Mayor Dean Trantellus.

Thank you very much.

Okay.

I was about to present this to you if you will come if you would like to say something.

Well good afternoon.

My name is Jorge Luis Feliz Rosario, but you guys can call me FDR.

I understand my name is Delong.

I am the president of the first Hispanic Police Officers Association, and throughout our foundation, we've been able to help many kids in the community.

This is our third year celebrating our three Kings Day, and we have been able to help more than a thousand kids with toys.

And we would like to thank Chief Schultz for his generous donations that he provides soils every year, and we're extremely grateful for your support leadership.

And without you, we wouldn't be here.

So thank you, sir.

And on behalf of the Hispanic community, much of okay, they're gonna take us up to the front over here.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you, Commissioner.

So now we move on to what's called the consent agenda items.

This is a part of our agenda tonight, where we the commission votes collectively on all the items unless a member of the commission wishes to pull such an item off the consent agenda, and we'll vote and discuss it separately.

So I'll ask the vice mayor do you have any items for the consent agenda that you would like to pull?

None.

You have none.

Umisher Beasley Pittman, were there any consent agenda items?

None.

Okay.

Commissioner Glassman.

CR1.

CR1 and Commissioner Sorens?

None.

Okay.

So we have uh someone who's asked to speak on CR three and CR4.

So that those items were not pulled, so I would invite you, uh Susie Bailey, if you'd like to come up and speak on those items before we consider the other items.

Good evening.

If you could push the button at the bottom of the speaker.

There you go.

Hi there.

Long time, see.

Um first, before I start, I just want to uh share something with everyone here.

And a big thank you to you all.

Um we're out there with a lot of the residents, not only here in Fort Lauderdale, but throughout Broward County and South Florida.

And I'm always so proud to say that um Fort Lauderdale has a water quality testing program.

We are the only ones that have the Miami Waterkeeper testing program in Broward County.

There's only a few in South Florida, which is down in Miami.

So I'm really proud, and I want to just thank you all for that because we couldn't do it without your support.

So thank you.

You're welcome.

Also, I just want to say happy new year to you all.

Um I want to thank the city staff and everyone involved for the time and effort that went into this master plan and the city's commitment to and effort, you know, to protecting and expanding our tree canopy.

I'm here today as the founder of residence for resilience and as a voice for the many residents I've heard from this past year who care deeply about the loss of green space across our city.

RFAR supports this plan, but respectfully but respectfully offers a few suggestions to help strengthen it, grounded in both the plan itself and residents lived experiences.

The plan recognizes that mature tree canopy is far more than just beautiful.

Tree canopy mitigates heat, improves air quality and public health, acts as a natural buffer during storms, and reduces stormwater runoff.

In fact, the plan documents that Fort Lauderdale's existing canopy has already helped avoid tens of millions of gallons of stormwater runoff, making trees critical, resilience infrastructure.

Our concerns that we hear from residents though is enforcement and prevention.

While penity penalties exist for illegal tree removal, fine levels are often minor and for high pro profit development projects where fines could be absorbed as a cost of just doing business.

So preservation is taken seriously.

Residents are also concerned about how the tree canopy trust fund is used.

While the fund is an important tool, payments into it don't guarantee that trees removed from a neighborhood are replanted back in that same neighborhood or watershed.

So because canopy benefits are both citywide and local, we urge prioritizing on site or neighborhood based placement wherever feasible, along with greater transparency around how fun dollars are spent.

As a longtime advocate for nature-based solutions, I really appreciate the inclusion of mangroves in this plan.

Mangroves are living infrastructure that store carbon, reduce flooding, mitigate wave energy, improve water quality, and protect shorelines.

We encourage the city to lead by example by investing city meaningful resources in a pilot mangrove planter project, such as along Los Olas Boulevard or other stretches of city owned seawalls, where mangroves can now be maintained like a hedge to pervert to preserve water views while delivering substantial benefits below the surface.

Finally, I want to briefly address artificial turf or what some people call plastic grass, which is not currently in the plan, but maybe a state level policy discussion that affects local authority.

But given the plan's emphasis on green spaces and heat mitigation for the health and safety of our waterways, our aquafere, and all those who recreate on these surfaces, we encourage the city to prioritize a phase transition back to natural grass on city-owned parks and public spaces.

In closing, mature tree canopy and living shorelines are frontline defense systems.

They defend against heat, flooding, and water pollution.

Replacement plantings matter, but preservation, enforcement, transparency, funding, and maintaining our the green spaces is what really matters a lot too.

Thank you again for this important plan and for the opportunity to share these comments.

R for R looks forward to a continued collaboration with the city to help residents stay informed, stay connected, and stay resilient.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming tonight.

Thank you.

Is Stephanie McMillan here?

Stephanie, she also wants to speak on CR3.

Hello.

I just decided to come tonight, and I don't have anything really well prepared, but I'm a third generation Fort Lauderdale resident and a local artist.

And I just wanted to support the increased plan, you know, the plan to increase the tree canopy.

I think that's great.

There's a development that's been approved in my neighborhood that is going to take down probably 50 or more mature trees, including Gumbo Limbos, mahoganies and sable palms over on 17th Street and uh Southeast 17th Street and 15th Avenue.

Um I wish that wasn't gonna happen.

And there's also the property along Davy Boulevard, uh, where all those slash pines are.

Um it's been beautiful ever since I was born here 60 years ago.

Um, and I hope that those trees are all preserved.

When those 30 houses are built there.

Um anyway, uh there's also that big old sea grape tree that's that was over by uh war memorial auditorium that's now gone.

And uh I think that's really sad.

Uh there are three raccoons who live in my backyard, and their habitats getting smaller and smaller.

They have nowhere to go.

Uh my neighborhood's all built up now.

And uh yeah, sorry, I'm kind of nervous.

Um didn't expect so many people to be here.

But uh anyway, I just you know want to speak for the trees.

Um thank you for considering preserving them.

Um I did bring some art prints for all you commissioners.

If you'd like to maybe have them in your office as an affirmation to about the importance of trees.

Um so thank you.

All right, thank you.

Uh Ted and Sarah also want to speak on CR3.

Thank you.

Hello, everybody.

My name is Ted and Sarah, president of the River Oak Republic.

Uh Stephanie McMillan is my favorite local artist.

I have a lot of her stuff in our neighborhood, and uh she's helped me on on many things.

I'm talking about the uh the uh the urban uh forestry master plan and uh come on, trees are an integral part of our city from um you know for living for the humans for the animal life.

I want to tell you all the different phases of the trees.

We have the very healthy black olive trees that line the median strip of uh Los Olas Boulevard, which are home to squirrels, parrots, birds, to the mangroves, which are home to the marine life, and we have them in River Oaks, Riverside, and in the George English Park.

Um all aspects that need to be protected, fought for, and cherished.

Uh I know this thing has a great aggressive need to plant trees.

I know it's it's an aggressive undertaking.

Uh I know for a fact uh in River Oaks, we're trying to do our part on Christmas Day.

We planted nine trees in River Oaks on that day, trying to do our part.

And when you come to uh our meeting on the 15th, uh mayor, that uh we are also coordinating with Laura Thule to have a uh plant a tree giveaway on that same night to try to do our part.

Um, I've been here most recently, losing a lot of things to trees about the uh on the wooden uh compound on right off of uh Davy Boulevard.

That was gonna be 90 trees coming down, most of them pine trees.

The thing that it came through here once as a uh a zoning change at the St.

Jerome uh church in Edgewood, a huge wooded area that's now going to be 72 town homes, and that was just a solid wooded area that uh when it came in front of uh the planning and zoning, Steve Gannon made a site visit, and he said at the planning and zoning meeting as I quote, this is like a piece of property that time forgot because it is just still all the woods, and and if it goes the way everything else, it will be something that will be forgot, unfortunately.

Um I have a question for the urban forestry people that that made that survey.

Um I have a question because I I looked at their graph on the percentage of tree canopy in the city of Fort Lauderdale.

I've been here all my life, 60 plus years, and uh they have on their graph that the percentage of tree canopy in 2024 is more than the tree canopy in 2018.

I don't see how that is possible.

I see us losing trees all the time.

I don't see how they I would like to understand how they manipulated and came up with these numbers that show that we are actually a higher percentage of tree canopy this year than we were five years ago with the development and all things.

I just don't see how that's possible that there is a growth.

I would like to understand how they came up with these numbers.

Well, at some point you're welcome to talk to our folks, but it's not a question-answer period here.

We invite you to come and speak.

We thank you for your participation.

We assume you you support the item.

Oh, yes, and and I want you to go about it as aggressive as we can.

Okay.

One more quick item when we're talking about the holiday park uh uh parking garage.

I like the parking garage.

I see that it's it's uh you know needed, but I think we should leave that piece of property, the land, the flatland that you also want to make a parking lot.

Leave that as green space, plant a forest in there, have the holiday park woods right in that area.

We got the parking garage.

I don't know if we need to extend more parking in that one vast area on the uh on the south side, turn that into a nice DNO green forestry space.

I think that would be a great thing to do.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you so much.

Anyone else wish to speak on this item?

All right.

Um someone would like to introduce a resolution.

Introduced.

This is CR three.

I just want folks to understand one thing though.

You know, this is uh this is an aspirational thing, it's not a guaranteed thing because we're talking in order to accomplish the level of forestry and canopy that uh is called for here is gonna take tens of millions of dollars.

So finding that money is going to be the challenge more than it would be planting the trees themselves.

So um while I of course uh certainly support it, and I know I'm sure the entire commission will support it.

It's more aspirational, and we're gonna do our best to try to achieve it.

So uh the resolution has been introduced.

Please call the role.

Do you want to take it separately from the consent agenda?

Because it wasn't pulled from consent CR three.

Do you want to just do the consent vote and that'll include CR three?

Just let's just vote on it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes.

A resolution of the city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, accepting the urban forestry master plan and authorizing a city manager or designated to execute any and all agreements and documents necessary or incidental to implement the UFMP subject to budget appropriation and availability of funds, providing for conflicts, providing for correction of scriveners.

There is providing for several on effective date.

Vice Mayor Herb.

Not present, Commissioner Glassman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, and CR three is now approved.

Commissioner Herbs.

Uh, Vice Mayor Herbs, how do you vote on CR3?

That's on the accepting the urban forestry master plan.

Yes.

Okay, very good.

Now with uh CR CR1.

Commissioner.

Yes.

Thank you, Mayor.

Happy New Year, everyone.

Okay, just two items in this one.

Uh this these both came up at my pre-agenda meeting last night with our district.

Uh first of all, letter E.

So, City Manager, just a couple of questions that came up from my constituents there.

Uh the first one, that 30 million seven hundred eighty-nine thousand nine hundred and thirteen dollars.

Is that the all-in number where we are right now with regards to um Carter Park?

Yes, that incorporates several different funding sources, so we're looking at that as the overall budget.

Okay, thank you.

And then um recently we did actually have a budget amendment for six million dollars uh for Carter Park that we approved.

Uh the question that I had last night was is this four million three hundred and sixty six two eight part of that, like a tranche of that six million dollars, or is this in addition to the six million dollars that we already approved?

This is a grant separate and apart from the six million dollars.

That was previously appropriated for Carter Park.

Okay, so this is in addition to the six million.

This four million in change.

So this is oh Laura, please provide a little background.

But this is a a grant.

I understand.

So um Vice Mayor, um I'm sorry, Commissioner Glassman.

So the all-in number as the city manager indicated is 30 million, seven eighty-nine nine thirteen after the grant.

So the four million dollars consists of moving money for that's already appropriated to the tune of two million, and then the other two million one eighty three fourteen is the grant, because we have to move the grant match in order to separately account for it.

So um the four million is actually two million in new money and two million in existing money for a total of four million dollars, which brings the new total of the project to that 30 million seven hundred thousand dollars.

So so it's it's all inclusive then.

It's not 34 million.

No.

The new number after the um I'm sorry, yeah, after the grant acceptance, if you approve this item, the number will be 30 million, seven hundred eighty-nine nine thirty.

For the total cost of the project.

For the that'll be the total appropriation.

Right.

Okay, okay, great.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Thank you so much.

And then the other portion of the CR one that uh we discussed last night, and I don't even know if this is possible because this also was a grant, but maybe City Manager can help.

But if we look at letter I, um, this is a grant from the Florida Inland Navigation District.

Um over $4 million for the seawall that we're gonna be doing on the Hall of Fame Peninsula.

Is there any possibility of looking into making that a living seawall?

I know that we've had that discussion at commission meetings before about how we want to encourage folks.

We've done some incentivizing and subsidies for permitting for living seawalls.

But is it too late or is that a discussion that might be had?

I know that the swimming hall of fame partners are responsible for matching that four million dollars, so it's a total of eight million dollars.

But is there any room for discussion about possibly at least at least the section closest to the aquarium, which might make sense?

Is there any way that we can possibly look at making at least a portion of that seawall, a living seawall?

Sure, we can look at that.

I I think the cost estimate uh that supports this item was based on a traditional seawall approach, but I think that we could have that discussion and see if we can uh have that portion be a living seawall or maybe even more, depending on what the cost that would be great, and hopefully the the partners will be amenable to something like that.

I I think it would really be a good way for the city to show that we're setting uh an example uh and encouraging people to follow through with that.

And I can't imagine a better place than right there on the intracoastal on the swimming hall of fame peninsula, right by a brand new aquarium.

It all just seems to really fit.

So I'm hoping that we can have those conversations.

I'm happy to join in those conversations if needed, but I would be so appreciative if we could at least explore that.

Okay.

We'll do that.

Thank you, Commissioner.

I really appreciate that.

Thank you.

And um, those are the questions that I had on the um CR1.

On CR1, and with that I'm uh I'm I'm able to uh move that forward.

So CR1 is being introduced by Commissioner Glassman.

That's as amended to include what was provided before the meeting.

The oh, letter K that was added, yes, fine.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, amending the City of Fort Lauderdale, Florida's fiscal year 2026, final law funds budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30th, 2026, as amended by appropriating and transferring funds as set forth in the Commission Agenda Memo 25-1157 amending the City of Fort Lauderdale.

Final fiscal year 2026 through fiscal year 2030 community investment plan for the fiscal years beginning October 21, 2025 and ending September 30th, 2030, as amended by appropriating and transferring funds as set forth in the Commission Agenda Memo 25-1157 in providing for severality and an effective date.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, and that item is now approved.

Do I hear a motion to approve the balance of the consent agenda items?

Moved.

Do I hear a second?

Second.

Move and seconded.

Please call the roll.

Vice Mayor Herbst.

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman.

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman.

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes.

So those consent agenda items have now been approved.

If you're here on those items, you're certainly welcome to stay and enjoy the rest of the meeting.

Should be exciting.

Otherwise, uh, have a good evening.

Our next item is a neighborhood as a neighbor presentation.

Linda Taylor, are you here?

Yes.

Yes, she is.

Regarding private funding awarded to Homes Inc.

Good evening.

Good evening.

Happy New Year.

Mayor.

Oh sorry.

That's good.

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners.

I bring you good tidings.

Holmes Inc.

has been a partner with the city of Fort Lauderdale for nearly 20 years.

We've worked collaboratively to serve low to moderate income residents, and we're deeply grateful for this long-term relationship that we enjoy with the city.

This relationship allows us to support and assist some of the community's most vulnerable households.

We're pleased to share that Homes Inc.

has received $300,000 in funding.

Yay.

That's what we're seeing from the community foundation of Broward.

This funding is critical because it is so difficult to acquire funding from private donors to assist adults.

Currently we have 32 families that have been assisted.

And this funding is critical because the gap in services is with your funding, we're able to hire housing navigators and case managers that focus specifically on housing.

But we needed some folk who could come in here and work with these families on employability skills and budgeting.

So this money will allow us to hire two new staff that will focus specifically on employability skills and financial coaching.

We have a MOU with career source Broward.

So we're partnered with them and they will work diligently alongside us.

Because of the rental cost.

So when we get a household of say four, and they're paying $2,500 a month in rent, and they only earn $35,000 a year.

That's hard to maintain.

But we've had uh I'm sorry.

With me is Fabiola Duncan.

Uh and she is the chief operating officer at homes.

And Fab, how many families have graduated from our program thus far?

Twenty.

Okay.

So we couldn't have done this without the guidance and the support that we get from Rachel Williams and her department.

Uh they work diligently alongside us to make sure that we are adhering to all of the guidelines from HUD.

So we wanted you to know that we take your investment and us very seriously, and that we are always out there looking for additional funds to supplement the work that we're doing.

We also wanted to share that since 2009, the city has supported Homes Inc.

and our self-sufficiency program.

We own two acres right there at the intersection of Dixie Highway and 13th Street, Northeast, and we have 32 young people who've either aged out of foster and relative care or our community kids who live on our campus, and they pay three and four hundred dollars a month for rent, and we subsidize their rent because we have a mortgage with private donors, and we have a grant from the Children's Services Council, where we have had approximately 150 young people go through our paid internship program.

And that's critical because when you're 18 years old and you've been in foster care, you don't know how to act in the workplace.

And so we have a job coach that works side by side with them, and they are doing great things.

Many of these kids have gone on.

I saw Chris Smith come in the door.

Some of our kids have worked at SMITI's.

Just real quickly wanted to give you an idea of some of the job placements that have been made both on a temporary and a permanent basis.

Riverside Hotel, State Farm, Marriott Hotel, the Hard Rock, real estate offices such as Premier Realty, uh Children's Village Daycare, Total Pediatrics, Jiffy Lube, and those are just to name a few of the businesses that have hired these young people.

And again, I just want to say thank you.

You've made a great investment in Homes Inc.

and keep funding us.

Congratulations.

And thank you for the wonderful service you provide to our community.

We appreciate it.

Okay.

Um moving on to our motions.

M1, motion approving the First Amendment to the Sprite Point Client Subscription Agreement for SPRI CIS, which is a utility billing software.

Uh and SPRY Mobile, a mobile field service system, and SPRY Wallet, which is a utility payment processing software.

Um like to move the item.

Moved.

Move your second move to say.

Maybe is this neighborhood presentation before this not happening tonight?

I'm sorry.

I beg your pardon.

Is the neighborhood presentation not happening tonight?

She just gave it.

Oh, that was the I thought it was something else.

I'm so sorry.

I thought I'm so sorry.

I thought there was another one after you.

I apologize.

And thank you for being an incredible part of Middle River Terrace.

Thank you.

We love having you there.

Thank you.

I'll pay attention a little bit better.

I'm sorry.

Nice say.

Um seconded.

Yes.

Okay.

Any questions regarding M1?

There being none, please call the roll.

Vice Mayor Herbst.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Mr.

Beasley Pittman.

Yes.

Mr.

Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, M1's now approved.

M2, a motion approving and authorizing the execution of a revocable license agreement between related Fat Village LLC and the City of Fort Lauderdale for the installation and maintenance of improvements on the North Andrews Avenue in association with the gallery at Flagra Village.

We have one person signed up to speak, but just for questions, right?

Okay.

Um anyone have any questions with regard to M2?

No.

Would someone like to move the item?

Introduced.

Motion.

Motion has been made.

Do I hear a second?

Second.

It's been moved and seconded.

Please call the roll.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glassman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes.

And M2 is now approved.

R1.

R1 is appointment of boarding committee members.

Mr.

Clerk, please read the names into the record.

Thank you, Mayor.

For the January 20th resolution, Citizens Committee of Recognition, Patricia Ziler nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Risk Management Committee.

Uh Vice Mayor Herbst.

That's a consensus.

And for tonight's resolution.

Budget Advisory Board, Ronald Goff nominate nominated by Vice Mayor Herbst.

Citizens Committee of Recognition, Mary Pelliquin.

And she's consensus as the uh council of Fort Lauderdale Civic Association's president.

Code Enforcement Board, August Puyos, nominated by Vice Mayor Herbst.

Economic Development Advisor Board, Allison Myers, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Haley Dowling, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Education Advisor Board, Kristen LeFleur, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

And Brian Bender, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

General Employees Retirement System Board of Trustees.

Jill Prizley, that's the elected employee, and Paul Vandenberg, also an elected employee.

Insurance advisor board, Jonathan Perillo, nominated by uh Commissioner Sorensen.

Mark Schwartz nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Ted Hess Senior, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen, and Joseph Pachura Senior, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Parks Recreation and Beaches Board, Vadesa Apothecar, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

Police and Firefighters Retirement System, Board of Trustees, Susan Grant, nominated by Mayor Trentales.

Derek Joseph, elected employee police officer, Keith Costas, elected employee firefighter.

Public Art and Placement Advisor Board, Phoenix Lynn Marks, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

2026 Walk of Fame Induction Committee, Eugen Ellis, nominated by Mayor Trentales.

Ina Lee, nominated by Mayor Trentales.

Dr.

George Hanberry, nominated by Mayor Trentales, George Platt, nominated by Vice Mayor Herbst.

Patrick Shavlovsky, nominated by Commissioner Glassman.

Lillian Small, nominated by Commissioner Beasley Pittman, and Gail Butler, nominated by Commissioner Sorensen.

And that rounds it up.

Okay.

Are there any additions or modifications?

There being none.

Would someone like to introduce a resolution?

Introduced.

Resolution has been introduced.

Please call the roll.

A resolution of the city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, appointing or nominating, if applicable boarding committee members as set forth in the exhibit attached here to made a part hereof.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glassman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes.

And those uh individuals are now appointed to the border committee.

And we thank you for your commitment to the improvement of our of our city.

Thank you for your for your uh volunteer involvement.

Uh R2, resolution delegating the city manager the authority to execute a project agreement with the Florida Inland Navigation District for a grant of up to 250,000 for the design and permitting of the International Swimming Hall of Fame Peninsula Public Dark Dock Promenade.

No one is signed up to speak.

Would someone like to introduce the resolution?

Introduced.

The resolution has been introduced.

Does anyone have any questions?

There being none, please call the roll.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, approving a grant award of 250,000 for the Florida Inland Navigation District for design and permitting of the International Swimming Hall of Fame Peninsula Public Dock and Promenade Project, delegating authority of the city manager to execute the fine project agreement in any and all documents necessary or incidental to administration of the grant and providing for an effect of date.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glassman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen.

Yes.

Mayor Trentales.

Yes, and R2 is now approved.

R three, resolution delegating the city manager the authority to execute a project agreement with the Florida Inland Navigation District for a grant of up to $4,020 for the replacement and construction of the International Swimming Hall of Fame Peninsula Sea Wall.

Would someone like to introduce the resolution?

Introduced.

Introduced.

No one sign up to speak.

Anyone have any additional questions?

There being none, please call the roll.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, approving a grant award of $4,020 from the Florida Inland Navigation District for replacement and construction of the International Swimming Hall of Fame Peninsula Seawall Project, delegating authority of the city manager to execute the fine project agreement and any and all documents necessary or incidental to administration of the grant and providing for an effective date.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Mr.

Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, and R 3 is now approved.

Moving on to R 4 resolution approving the revisions to the City of Fort Lauderdale's Unified Flex policy to reallocate unused affordable flex residential units to the pool of unified flex residential units.

No one has signed up to speak.

Would someone like to introduce the resolution?

Introduced.

The resolution has been introduced.

Please call the roll.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida approving the revisioned City of Fort Lauderdale Unified Flex policy and strategy document and providing for an effective date.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Mr.

Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Mr.

Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, and R 4 is now approved.

Moving on to R5.

This is a quasi judicial resolution, amendment to a site plan level three development permit and alternative design solution.

Requests in Uptown Urban Village Pinnacle at Cyprus 6520 North Andrews Avenue.

Anyone who wishes to speak must uh be sworn in, and the commissioner will announce any site visits, communications or extra opinions or expertise opinions received and make them a part of the record.

Vice Mayor, do you have any um disclosures?

So yes, I've had site visits, I've had conversations.

You want to put your microphone on?

Sorry about that.

So yes, I've had a site visit, I've had conversations with Tim Wheat and Keith Polyakoff.

Okay.

Um Commissioner Beasley Pittman.

Um I'm gonna have to double check.

I don't recall speaking with anyone pertaining to this.

I'm gonna let you check right now.

I don't I don't either.

Um is there a representative of this project here?

You guys, okay.

Do we ever have a meeting?

No, I didn't think so.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh Commissioner Glassman?

No, me neither.

What are we?

Chop liver mare.

Your confish.

Okay.

Commissioner Sorensen.

No.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um no one has signed up to speak.

Someone like to move to close public hearing.

So moved.

It's been moved right here.

Second.

Second.

Been moved to seconded.

Please call the roll.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glassman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman.

Yes.

Mr.

Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes.

Uh public hearing on R5 is now closed.

Would someone like to introduce the resolution?

Introduced.

The resolution has been introduced.

Any questions?

Actually, yeah, uh, I'd like just if we could get uh Tim up for one second.

I just want to ask him a quick question about uh about the project.

Can you can you push the button?

Yep, yeah.

Good evening, Tim Wheat with Pinnacle.

Happy to answer any questions.

Don't know if I need to be sworn in first.

Uh no.

Okay, thank you.

Oh, does it have to be sworn in?

Okay.

Do you asswear or affirm the evidence you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

I do.

Thank you.

So, Tim, I just want to talk a little bit about the financing for this.

Um, you know, we've got a lot of conversations going on about Live Local Act here in Fort Lauderdale.

So, what kind of requirements do you have for this project?

You know, why are you doing it in two phases?

And you know, just kind of how this fits into the affordable housing strategy with uh Florida Housing Finance.

Uh Vice Mayor, Commissioners, thanks for your time.

Good question.

Um we divided the development into two phases, both of which will serve senior housing age 62 plus and be affordable at 60 percent of area meeting income or less, some units at even extremely low income levels.

As you heard in the neighborhood presentation, you know, affordable housing is in dire demand and people are struggling to make rent, and that's not getting any easier.

So uh with the Live Local Act, we could have developed it by right, uh following just the prescriptive local path, but in working with staff at the city, particularly Jim Hetzel, who is the principal urban planner on this, we opted to take advantage of the uptown urban village transit oriented development uh zoning, and what you're approving tonight is our effort to follow your existing rules rather than just you use the hammer of live local.

So uh we could have gone that way and we could have had unlimited density, but it was just easier to, and I think more an effective, dynamic working relationship with the members of DRC, the planning and zoning board, uh Mr.

Hetzel, who's been fantastic to work with on this.

So I think that's worth pointing out where live local can be a tool, but it doesn't mean we necessarily have to you know uh follow the the uh preemptions that Tallahassee allows.

Uh the first phase of a hundred units will break ground in June of this year, and it's been financed by a combination of Florida housing sale funds, low-income housing tax credits, and a gap loan from Broward County, and then phase two.

This the city commission here gave us six hundred and forty thousand in a commitment to then leverage the housing credits from Florida housing.

We expect next week to have a very good result with regard to that application that was filed in December.

I hope I answered your question.

That's great.

I I think you're one of the first projects I've heard of getting sale funds in a while.

Uh well, they come to Broward, but for the first one in Fort the City of Fort Lauderdale in a while, that's correct.

That's great.

Well, and and I appreciate that because like we said, we've had a lot of a lot of uh projects are flying under Live Local, so it's nice to know people can still do projects without live local.

Well, like I said, it's a it's a tool, but you know, the we were in our dynamic relationship with the city, as you know, this isn't our first development here in the city.

Right.

You know, we were gently persuaded by the staff.

Let's why don't you stick with the work under the current zoning and work work with you on some of the deviations that you would be approving tonight that travel along with the site plan approval?

I I've got to tell you, we're we're very excited about this project.

You know, one of the things that we really don't see enough of is the affordable senior product, you know, and we desperately need that within the universe of affordable products is the senior product, is really I think the one that's lacking the most.

So I'm I'm so happy that you're bringing us into the Fort Lauderdale, but the district one particularly.

So thank you.

And and to your team.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Okay, thank you.

Um being none, please call the roll.

And Vice Mayor, that's for approval, correct?

Emphatically.

Thank you.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida approving the amendment to site plan level three development permit and an alternate alternative design solution that meets the overall intent of the uptown master plan for a mixed-use development named Pinnacle at Cyprus, consisting of 196 senior affordable units and six thousand five hundred and twenty-five square feet of office use located at 6520 North Andrew Avenue, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in the Uptown Urban Village Northeast Zoning District.

Vice Mayor Herbst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentos.

Yes, and R5 is now approved.

R6 resolution approving the First Amendment to the comprehensive agreement with the Hall of Fame Partners LLC.

Um one has signed up to speak.

Uh would someone like to introduce the resolution?

Introduced.

This is a very exciting step forward.

Thank you to all involved.

Okay.

Anyone have any questions?

Okay.

Please call the roll.

A resolution city commission of the city of Fort Lauderdale, Florida approving the execution of a first amendment to the comprehensive agreement between the city of Fort Lauderdale Hall of Fame Partners LLC delegating authority of the city manager to execute the first amendment to the comprehensive agreement, repealing any and all resolutions in conflict here with providing for an effective date.

Vice Mayor Hearst?

Yes.

Commissioner Glossman?

Yes.

Commissioner Beasley Pittman?

Yes.

Commissioner Sorensen?

Yes.

Mayor Trentals.

Yes, and R6 is now approved.

Congratulations.

Can't wait for that project to get started.

Um R7.

Resolution providing notice to the of the decision to proceed with the unsolicited proposal submitted for the design, development, financing, construction, operation, and maintenance of a multi-use structure with parking, a surface level public parking lot, and a fire rescue EMS substation located within Holiday Park Fort Lauderdale and authorizing negotiations of a proposed interim and/or comprehensive agreement in accordance with section 255.065 of the Florida statutes.

We have a number of people who signed up to speak.

And what we're going to do tonight is, as you all of you may recall, there were three applicants who each submitted proposals.

And I thought what we'd do tonight is we would allow the presenters about 10 minutes to wrap up their point of view.

And uh and tonight hopefully we'll maybe be able to make a selection.

So the uh exhibits, exhibit one is G3 development, exhibit two is holiday park parking partners, and exhibit three is park place garages LLC.

So I thought I'd take them in that order.

Does anyone have any questions first before we begin?

Okay.

So city manager, did you have any uh introductory remarks that you would like to make?

Thank you, Mayor.

So we got the feedback from the commission during the last meeting, and we went back and uh prepared some documents for distribution to the three proposers that would allow the city once we will receive feedback from those proposers to provide you with an apples to apples comparison based on a 1,000 space parking garage structure, a 292 space surface parking lot, and an 8,000 square foot fire EMS facility.

Uh we did receive documentation from the three proposers.

We met with each one just to clarify and ensure that we were all on the same page with information being provided to us.

And so what you see before you is a summary of uh those efforts.

We also provided additional background information.

This go around on various funding sources and considerations, uh development trends and urban density uh characteristics within our city and in the area in particular.

We provided additional information on fire and EMS stations currently under development and response times impacting the area.

We've also discussed a little bit about our parking operations and capacity to perform parking enforcement activities as well as parking maintenance operations.

So with that, you know, we fully uh support the commission's direction.

Whichever way we go with this project, we know we have three firms before us that are qualified and capable.

I did provide a recommendation given uh the fact that all these firms are qualified and that the uh schedule for project delivery is relatively the same.

Uh I I did uh include in the memorandum before you a recommendation.

Uh however, it is for informative purposes only, uh, the commission is able to uh make a selection based on uh any requirements or evaluation criteria that the commission uh views as responsible and pertinent to this decision.

Uh but the recommendation is for the G3 project based on pricing.

Uh as compared to the others, uh the timeline for delivery was relatively the same as mentioned before.

And we felt that although they're being recommended, it's important to say on the record that any of the firms uh that are before us are qualified and capable.

So thank you so much for allowing us to go back and to get uh additional information.

Uh we did confer with the city auditor on this, and I know that he provided some information to you that mirrors exactly what is in the memorandum before you.

So we're very confident in the process, and we look forward to the presentations and your deliberations on this matter.

All right, great, thank you.

Just uh a question.

Uh it's my understanding that uh after the last meeting that we had, um the commission uh was had asked uh city staff to ensure that the each presenter presented us with an apples to apples comparison, and you you have since provided that to us.

Um I understand that part of the instruction that was given to the presenters, the applicants, that they couldn't change anything.

Everything had to be whatever design they came up with, they weren't allowed to value engineer it or do any changes, which by the way probably is still possible if we just after we choose somebody.

Um but but based on based on my understanding is the instruction to each of the presenters was everything had to remain status quo.

You just wanted them to give us um a more um uh understandable explanation as to their costs and uh the the pricing for each element that was connected to this project.

We're talking about the parking garage, talking about the surface uh parking space, and we're talking about the uh the fire station.

So um uh okay, so with that in mind, uh I would like to invite the folks from G3 Development.

Is there any particular order that you'd like?

I let's see.

And Mr.

Mayor, while they're getting ready to come, I I don't know if Ben Rogers had some additional uh information and background to provide based on what your comments were just now about how we instructed each proposer.

Yes, Mr.

Rogers.

Uh good evening, uh Mayor Commission Ben Rogers, Assistant City Manager.

So I just want to play provide clarity to what your comments were about what the proposers were asked.

So we we broke down our request into four parts.

The first one was general assumptions, and in that we asked them to make sure that their cost included any uh all in costs, so if that's profit, construction, overhead, any factors that deal with the cost of the project.

We also asked them to remove any financing elements out of there, as we don't know if we're gonna self-finance that or not.

So we didn't want to have different uh financing rates or considerations in that assumption.

Uh we asked them to remove any elective uh or optional considerations from the base package.

So the verteport, the solar array, anything that would be an add-on.

We asked them to remove that from this pricing so that way it would be close to apples to apples.

And then we also asked them to confirm their timelines.

We went through each of those three elements you talked about, the parking garage.

Uh we asked for a thousand spaces again to remove the optional features.

We did uh ask them to confirm that they have an enhanced landscaping or exterior facade that blend in with the environment.

Uh and with that, we got a um a range of 22.3 million to 31.3 million dollars just for the garage.

If you remember back earlier in 2025, the city uh was working on that design criteria package.

We had a cost estimate uh somewhere around 37 and a half million for the garage with an office.

Uh as for the surface lot, what we did on there.

Sorry, Ben, say that again, that last sentence.

Uh in January of 2025, when I came to the commission to do the design criteria package, the initial cost estimate that we had was 37.5 million.

That was for 1,050 parking spaces as well as 16,000 square feet of office space.

Okay, so not necessarily apples to apples, but it does show you that the cost of these proposals are less than what we initially anticipated.

Okay, that's a good thing.

Uh on the on the surface parking lot, again, in an uh attempt to go apples to apples.

We had that the 66 or 60 percent design criteria package for the surface lot, and so we provided each of the proposers with the opinion of probable cost that is associated with the 60s 60 percent design.

That included the elements of roadway pavement, signage, striping, uh landscaping, irrigation, utilities, drainage, maintenance of traffic, and miscellaneous.

Um, and that provided line item breakdowns of every item that the uh our design has in it, as well as the quantities.

So that will adjust as we hit 100% for design, but at least it gave us apples to apples based on the 60 percent.

Our uh opinion of probable cost by our consultant for the design team was 3.8 million, and the bids came back uh ranging from 3.4 million to 3.6 million.

And then lastly was the fire station.

Uh we took some of the specifications from some of the other recently done uh or planned fire stations where we said we want the proposers to assume 8,000 square feet, which would include two bays, uh seven bunks, two administrative offices, all the support spaces which were listed out in the in the spec sheet.

Um, and we asked them not to include any unique or specialized equipment such as the alerting system uh that we we have our own requirements that need to be uh implemented.

So that's just an overview of what we asked the proposers to do.

Again, we stripped out all of the optional uh elements and in an attempt to get apples to apples.

We also did ask them to apply a five percent contingency to all of their pricings that way again they all have the same contingency factor uh on their pricing.

So, mayor, that's the confirmation of what we asked for.

Okay.

Um, any questions?

Go ahead.

No, thank you, Mayor.

Uh Ben, so help me with one thing.

I'm in the attachment that we would provide for the project confirmation sheet.

I see that you had all three proposers signed.

I guess it's like a disclaimer on the bottom.

Um basically that quote above pricing information is accurate to the best of the understanding's knowledge is derived from the proposers' holiday park submission as previously submitted to the city and reflects the city identified baseline assumptions for the standalone parking garage, surface parking lot, and fire EMS station components, um, etc.

etc.

etc.

So I just need you to help me understand.

Um I I do see that FinFroc and Holiday Park Partners basically came in the same as what we saw when we met at the last meeting.

Um park place has gone down 11 million dollars and change.

So it's just explain to me because I don't understand I'm missing something here.

If it says that the above pricing information is accurate and is derived from the proposed submission as previously submitted to the city.

What happened?

Why is that possible?

Okay.

Well, yeah.

So I want to know about the disclaimer that staff had them all signed.

But I I'll ask anyone, I don't care, I'm good.

Yeah, I think if we can defer that to the actual proposal during their presentation, the one thing I will say is on on some of the attachments you see that there are updated information or strike throughs.

That is as a result of after we received the information back.

We asked them uh during a one-on-one conversation to verify all the information.

We again reiterated our expectations and what our intentions were, and so some of the uh information was modified aft as we did that, but again, all of that was in real time at the time of the submission.

Okay, I'll I'll I'll deal in you know a little bit further with this with the developer proposer.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else from staff that wishes to say anything preliminarily?

Okay, great.

Okay, so uh G3 development.

Now, let me tell you who signed up to speak.

Um Scott, Jacob, Jake, the three of you.

If anyone else is going to speak, I just need to have you sworn in.

That's all.

Are you speaking?

Yeah, yeah.

All right, so when your turn comes up, we'll we'll uh swear you in.

Okay, perfect.

Thank you.

Okay, please proceed.

Good evening.

Good evening, Commission Mayor.

Thank you for your time this evening.

Happy New Year.

It's good to see you all again.

Our group is in front of you again discussing the holiday park garage.

Over the last two weeks, we've had the pleasure of sitting down with your staff.

I'm coming up with some clarifying information and questions that we will go through this evening.

One thing that hasn't changed is our team.

Our team structure is the same.

And it's a flat city-centric team focused on the city of Fort Lauderdale.

We would be acting G3 development as the developer.

We have Keith, our civil engineer on board.

We have FinFrock, the design builder for the parking garage, and then Garth Solutions for our community outreach.

Yeah.

Thanks, Jake.

Scott Zroik here with FinFrock.

Just a brief overview again of FinFroc.

We are the nation's largest design builder of structured parking.

We've designed and built over 350 parking garages, about 300 of those here in Florida.

Our team is the only team really in the state that can sit here that we perform those with architecture, structural engineering, construction or concrete manufacturing, and general contracting in-house, all with our own employees.

And why that's important is that allows us to perform that with our employees, guarantee that schedule and guarantee that price to you, the city, right up front.

So that gives us a uh really high quality product and a high quality process that we are able to give to you, the city, as we uh as we look through uh holiday park here.

Uh as I said, this is uh garages are a repeat process for us with having done so many.

We've been able to develop a litany of processes and and that feeds basically off our continual loop feedback.

So every project that we do, we're constantly taking all of our details that we've seen perform through our 80 years in business and really watch those to our maintenance company who's maintained these garages for 50 years.

So we are continuously looking at garages, making them better, and what that allows us to do is deliver to you the lowest over uh lowest cost up front, and then the overall cost of the garage as well.

So Jacob's gonna talk to you a little bit about the garage.

Thanks, Scott.

Jacob Lucky at FinFroc.

Um so just wanted to highlight a couple of different things.

We're gonna go through the the pricing as you guys had in front of you, but then also just kind of highlight again on the local experience.

So with ourselves at FinFroc, Keith, um, Garth Solutions, we're all Broward-based offices as well.

Um we have that South Florida manufacturing facility that's just right up the road in uh Palm Beach County as well.

That is a FinFroc um manufacturing facility.

And then we've completed you know multiple parking garage projects.

You can see all the dots on the screen, all in that southeast, what we call Southeast Florida environment.

So, you know, Broward County is is you know, obviously a huge um area that we've performed in, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, but um in general, uh just right up the road.

Our our most recent garage is for the Arcadian on seventh Ave.

So that's you know, within the past six months, six months, that's been actually CO'd from for the city of Fort Lauderdale.

Um, and then just have you know decades of experience working in that Broward County, um, understanding the the city's um process with Keith.

Um they're as I mentioned, local and and really understand what's going to have to happen from a site planning perspective for not only the parking structure but the surface lot as well, just get this through and get the construction started as soon as possible.

And then um we have Garth Solutions with us here today as well.

They they highlighted on you know engaging the community and the neighbors immediately once um if we are selected to move forward with the holiday park um parking garage, that's gonna be our first step.

Really sitting down with the stakeholders, sitting down with the community and the neighbors, you know, having this be their project as much as it is um our team.

So we are we are super excited to start moving forward and start developing that relationship with um some of the neighbors around the community and and work through you know what they want to see and how they're able to utilize this this garage as well.

So just going through a couple of the design options that um you we've been asked to kind of reform um revise a little bit.

So the a thousand stall parking garage is something we always had proposed.

Um you can see the numbers as I they were broken down here, that 22.3 million dollars with that 5% contingency.

So looking at just a standalone parking garage, that's what that's what that would get you.

We um we were asked to revise the the fire station from 10,000 square feet down to 8,000 square feet, and this is where you're really starting to see some of the variation.

Um Ben mentioned that yes, they did provide us some specs as far as what they want to see in that fire station, but as you guys know, you can gold plate a fire station to make it you know 20 million dollars versus two million dollars.

So that's really where we've made some assumptions um as far as you know what we think is going to be best for the fire department, but we're gonna be working through that with the team as far as what they're looking to see in the um in that that final space as well.

So that's what we have kind of included there, and you can see the cost per square foot.

Um has kind of it's it's gonna be a little bit higher than what you see for others, but that doesn't mean we can't you know start to bring that down as well.

Um as far as part project completion, or we're standing behind the 11 months that we provided previously for the garage, and then one additional month if that fire station is incorporated within the structure.

So those aren't added together by any means.

That's it's a 12 month process if the fire station is incorporated within the parking structure.

Yep.

I'll stop the clock.

Um I noticed that your structure is uh four four levels, four stories.

Correct.

And the other two applicants are five stories with the same amount of parking.

Not only that, but you incorporate the fires the fire station within the garage.

How are you able to accomplish that?

So I I've I've looked through the others' proposals as well, just to kind of understand.

I mean, you're looking through what the differences between the two options are, obviously, since it's all you know public record at this time.

What I'm seeing the difference is some of the proposals actually had that kind of outboard fire station, which shortens the garage down.

Um we were you know had that garage that fire station within the structure here, which allows us to um you know extended footprint a larger footprint while still keeping the the um the road to the north for So you're saying the upper floors allow you to extend the correction okay.

Exactly.

So you're not stopping it short by any means, you're you're continuing it all the way out.

The fire station is going to look incorporated within the parking structure, and that allows to get parking stalls above that as well.

So our ground floor is actually raised up in that that northeast corner we're leaving double height space.

I think I mentioned that last time we presented that double height space that allows still for that truck dock um to give that 23, 24 foot clearance in there, but the the rest of the fire station still has you know sufficient clearance, it's just closer to 12 to 14.

And is uh and is your fire station I it's hard for me to understand to see this, but sure.

Your the fire station design, does that uh allow for drive-through um passage of the trucks or is it back in?

That's a that currently as it's framed right now is back in.

That does not mean it can't be revised to to fight um to accommodate that, but as as it's shown here without us being able to modify based off of the chiefs kind of um responses after our last meeting, that is how we have kept it as this time.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yep.

And then the surface lot um we uh as Ben mentioned as well, we were able to get the updated um surface lot, 66% drawings.

What that allowed us to do is kind of take a look at what they're including, the the estimate that was put together, and really put our numbers to it, including that 5% contingency, and and you can kind of see there where that number shakes out very close to what the original um budget was.

I think they were at like 3.8 million, so we're coming in still a little bit below that based off of um some of our unit rates and and subcontract numbers that we've gotten.

But the overall completion for that structure um for that surface lot we have as two months.

And then just running through the renderings.

I know you guys have seen these, we don't have to spend a ton of time on it.

You know, as you mentioned, it is a it's a lower rise structure.

So that was intentional to not be so impactful next to the Parker Playhouse, not have this massive structure right there in Holiday Park.

So that was the intention.

All of the exterior screening is still included in that number is as we mentioned, the fire station there, you can see the double bay um on the northeast corner, and then the fire station continues inside the structure.

Um, just running or just flying through.

This is from the southwest, looking from the Parker Playhouse, it's gonna be just right off the screen to the left.

And then just an overall aerial shot, um, seeing where the garage starts to, you know, dead end essentially up at the the center bay there, but still, you know, from the exterior still remains as a four-level structure.

So I'm gonna turn it back over to Jake just to kind of finalize our our proposal here.

Perfect.

I won't take too much of yellow's time.

I know we have a long meeting this evening, and we've said this all before.

Uh our team is capable.

Uh, we have the track record.

Um we look forward to hopefully working on this project with your city staff.

Um, and again, just hope for your blessing.

Um, you know, we've delivered these projects all over uh the Southeast, Southeast Florida.

Um, and at this point, we'll just open it up for any questions.

All right.

Anyone you are you gonna speak?

I'm happy to answer any questions.

I'm here for questions.

Okay, yeah.

All right.

Does that conclude your your presentation?

Okay, great.

Anyone from the commission have any questions?

Uh Commissioner Glassman, you have questions.

Yes.

Thank you, Mayor.

And thank you for your work.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you for being here and thank you for being part of this process.

Um please just talk to me a little bit about your experience with regards to fire EMS stations.

Um do you have experience in that in that realm?

Yes, sir.

We have we have experience in delivering those for some Central Florida municipalities.

Um as Jacob mentioned, it w it was awesome to have some some updated scope to be able to provide some some more real numbers.

But um until we can really dive into those finishes and and what the actual interior of that fire station looks like, it's really hard to dial into the cost numbers.

And so that's kind of where you see that variation.

If we were you know able to work with the staff and dial that scope in more, we're confident that number can come down and still provide you know what the fire the fire um the firemen need firemen.

Thank you.

Because at the at our last meeting, we did, I believe, sort of have a consensus that we like the idea of an actual build out instead of just a shell and then going back later, and we it makes sense at least to me that this really gets done from start to finish.

Um and how do you see that affecting um your pricing or your work product?

Yeah, I mean, with with the price we provided, um, you know, we are confident that the numbers not going up.

Um, and it is for a turnkey, you know, fully built-out fire station.

Um again, we do have some experience with this.

We've seen you know, some municipalities bond out, you know, a certain amount of money for three fire stations, and they only ended up with one.

Um, and so obviously we're gonna work as hard as we can to uh minimize any of those surprises.

Again, the scope is is pretty clear.

It's just dialing in the finishes and and the final cost.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yes, sir.

Thank you, Mayor.

Anyone else have any questions?

Yeah, Mayor.

Yes.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

Appreciate it.

Um have you met individually with the mayor or any commissioners?

We have met with uh the mayor, we met with Commissioner Glassman.

Um, and I believe that's also met with you.

We met a few once you've met with all of us.

Uh three of the five.

Not easily Pittman or the Vice Mayor, yes, sir.

Great.

How about neighborhoods?

Have you met with neighborhood associations?

No, we haven't met with any neighborhood associations yet.

We uh we are you know huge proponents as far as we want to work through and make sure the programs right before getting people excited about the project.

So I mean that's going to be as I mentioned, gonna be our one of our first calls.

So, you know, we don't want to present something.

I mean, we've even been kind of talking through in these meetings what what the fire station is it included, is it not included?

So don't want to get something out there on the street that people are going to comment on, rumors get started without you know being able to solidify that that program, but that's exactly why we have Von and her team signed up with us to um to start those discussions as soon as we're um selected.

Okay, great.

Thanks.

Um talk to me about stormwater retention.

What are creative stormwater retention ideas you have?

Yeah, I mean, so the stormwater retention that it's already been kind of picked up a lot of that being in that that surface lot.

I mean, for us, um yeah, always it's gonna be something where we're we're going to need to start running calculations to really throw finally understand what that ends up being on the northern lot as well.

I mean, we we have traditionally been able to put storm vaults underneath the garage, we've done you know, chambers within the garage footprint.

So that is something that we are very accustomed to.

I'd say probably 50 to 50 percent of the garages I personally have um led have some sort of stormwater chambers underneath them.

So that's something that we install whether it's through a precast kind of box with a lid um underneath the slab on grade, we've done you know, perforated holes, we've done drainage wells, so that is not something that's foreign to us by any means.

Thanks.

Uh sidewalk.

Um, if I'm tracking right what your project includes, at least right now, is kind of the sidewalk.

Yeah, thanks.

If you can let's see.

I guess you're just looking at this one or the the surface lot to the south.

Uh no, that one.

Yeah.

So you have the sidewalk in front that goes uh to the leading to the Parker Playhouse, right?

Correct.

So I think one of the other proposals has a sidewalk included in theirs that goes all the way to federal highway.

Did you I don't know if you saw that?

So I I did not see that when I was reviewing them.

That doesn't mean I mean that's easily something that could be picked up for us.

It's just you know, with us not having that property, you know, it starts to you know working on other people's land and things like that.

But that is something that we can work through with those, you know, individual property owners if that is a desire.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Thanks, Mr.

Okay.

Any other questions for the commission?

Uh a question for the fire chief, not necessarily for the team.

I just want to know, Chief Golden, what's your feeling about the station being included in the structure of the garage itself?

So this is your house.

How do you feel about it?

Uh good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners.

Uh thank you for the question.

So uh at the end of it, it is just making sure that the integrity of the station is there.

You know, clearly we would have some concerns in regards to the the road noise inside in the parking of vehicles.

Uh we don't want clearly uh the vehicles right on top of the fire or right in the vicinity of the fire station.

Um but as long as it's meeting the requirements, the state requirements for a fire station with redundancy and uh and uh utilities such as the power and things like that.

Ceiling heights and all that don't is that a problem?

So with with your current configuration of trucks, because I'm also thinking about future use and things like that, right?

So obviously truck sizes change over time and so forth.

So correct, sir.

Uh the dimensions that we gave them are the current footprint that we're looking at with the other stations.

Okay, no, uh, so long as they've met those requirements, then they'll be large enough to accommodate the trucks of today as well as moving forward as well.

That's what you anticipate for at least the the foreseeable future, right?

So 20 to 30 years out given a life expectancy of of the building.

That's correct, sir.

Uh this building, the specs on the building were two bays.

Uh we anticipate only one bay being utilized in the very beginning.

It's also seven bunks.

We only anticipate utilizing three of those bunks in the very beginning.

Uh so it has the ability to grow with the city in that area.

Right.

You you raised uh another interesting point.

So because it's incorporated in the structure of the building, there will be traffic over the top of the building where your uh where your firefighters will be sleeping.

Um I I know typically that's going to generate a fair amount of noise through the structure.

Um your guys do sleep during the day as well, right?

So they sleep uh whenever they can.

Yeah.

Not much, but when possible.

When possible, kind of like the military.

Whenever you can, you sleep, right?

So uh do you see that being problematic because you do have the vibration and the noise kind of comes through the concrete structure?

This the engineers that I've spoken with have given me great confidence that they're able to mitigate that noise by putting barriers in there.

Myself not in construction, I don't know exactly what that entails, uh, but they've given me a great amount of confidence that they'll be able to achieve that.

Okay.

Um the only other thing that was also brought up was in regards to our collective bargaining agreement, requires secure parking for the firefighters.

They've also addressed that concern.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yes, sir.

Um one question.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Just briefly on the fire station.

Yeah, I was just gonna speak to the concern with the vibration.

So inside that number, I know I have we did not specifically mention this.

We actually have what we call a box within a box.

Okay.

So I've I've done this for medical office buildings, obviously, it's got to have some separation.

Okay, then the actual structure above, because that is a legitimate concern.

So, you know, although there's not a ton of traffic that's going to be in that area specifically, we have a box within a box that is going to be structurally isolated.

That is, you know, we'll have acoustical you know considerations as well.

Okay, so acoustical vibration shaking of the structure or all that.

Exactly.

Those, yeah, from a from a structural side of things completely disconnected from the structure above from an acoustical side of things, there's going to be you know layers of drywall, other types of insulation material to to mitigate that.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Beasley Pitt.

Yes, thank you.

Um asked the question about um the stormwater, how that would be addressed.

Is that um the process that you're gonna use?

Is those funds already baked into this five?

First for stormwater management, yes.

Okay.

Yes, I mean the the design of that is still forthcoming, obviously, but yes, we have we have stormwater funds to be able to mitigate that included within the proposal, correct?

Within within the proposal now, yes.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Mayor I had one other question.

Go ahead.

Well, you finish, Commissioner.

Yes, I am done.

Okay.

Um talk to me about life cycle costs of a garage like this.

How do you evaluate life cycle costs?

How do you estimate them?

Does certain garages or material have an increased life cycle cost or lower?

Does your design um how does it play into that?

Right.

Yeah, that that's a great question.

I mean, it's something we get, you know, all of the time as owners always hear, like, okay, a precast garage, what about the leaking, things like that.

So I mean, Scott kind of hammered on it a little bit, but we build over 350 parking garages in the state of Florida.

We use that feedback loop to be able to say what details do we need to improve upon so that that doesn't happen because the worst rep that precast gets it internally affects us.

We're not just a precaster, but we are a full design builder that we manufacture our own pre-cast.

So, you know, all of our what we've done in to to really mitigate anything like that would be you know, utilizing steel forms, reducing our joint sizes, using a higher level of silicone sealant everywhere, which is a little bit more expensive now, but we don't get a call from you guys in five years saying, hey, I've got my route, my entire roof leaking, I need to have that recocked.

So that is something that we put into every single project um from the get-go, because you know, we're not looking for we we obviously want to be the lowest first cost, but we also don't want to be the the most expensive lifecycle cost, right?

So how we look at the maintenance for a garage is very similar to your car.

If you don't do any maintenance on it for five years and then you come in, you're gonna be paying a high bill.

But if you're looking at it and doing routine maintenance on it, you know, you're gonna be spending a fraction of the cost yearly than once you're 10 years down the road, you've got spalling, you have to recognize the entire thing, you don't pressure wash it.

So I can provide you an entire list that our maintenance team has put together of this is what you should do every you know, six months, every year, every five years, every ten years, and every 25 years.

So that's something that's literature that we put together.

We put a white paper together on that that I can send you guys after this so you can kind of better understand what that is, but I could speak for 30 minutes just on you know how to maintain a parking structure.

Great.

All right, yeah, that's good.

Thank you.

He's getting excited.

You got it.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Um just uh uh another thought.

Uh I honest I I honestly don't remember our meeting.

I do know that we did have a meeting.

I don't remember if it was all of you or some of you.

Um, but um uh I would know that at our meeting, uh, one of the concerns that I had was trying to integrate a structure like this into a park.

And I would have said to you, you know, we need to put a face on this garage that is not going to be offensive to the other activities in the park, especially since we're trying to keep as much of a park setting as possible.

Um so far the only thing I think you've done is paint the building green.

Um seems to have not included a significant program of creating a um an exterior that I think would is appropriately integrating itself into holiday park.

You want to speak to that?

Yeah, sure.

So our our elevations, and I'll kind of just jump back to them.

So it's we've utilized some different materials.

Maybe we could go a little bit more forward with you guys as far as how we want to mask this, but it's somewhat beauties in the higher eye of the beholder here as far as what you want the garage to look like.

We can we've done garages that blend in completely to an apartment environment versus look like it's a piece of art with metals all over it.

But here we I mean we tried to utilize you know natural elements being uh a green wall on the stair towers, wood paneling on the base of the the stairs there.

We we utilize you know fabric art panels that you know are hidden by landscaping here, but surrounding the parking structure.

So there's other elements that we could utilize, whether it's planters um the throughout the the structure, we could utilize you know full green walls everywhere, we could utilize um wall panels.

So that's really just something that we'd want to work with you guys in the community as far as what this wants to look like.

Well, I I understand that.

I'm sure you could do a lot of things, but I'm just wondering why.

I mean, the reason why I bring this up is because yeah, you can embellish the exterior, yep, um, but but then it would increase the price, and now you're no longer competitive.

Sure.

Well, well, the others have have spent a lot of made a lot of effort to incorporate um uh the kinds of designs we were looking for that help to um you know fit the fit the parking garage and integrate it into these surroundings, and uh and that's why their costs are a little bit higher.

So um so to come in with a bare bones kind of parking garage and and come in at you know the cheapest of all of them, it it's understandable why you were less expensive because you didn't include some of the design elements that the others did.

So how do you how do you respond to that?

Yeah, I mean what I'd say is we've we've utilized more of a heavy landscaping budget is what we have currently included within the parking structure.

So we were trying to do it more so on the landscaping front rather than just straight up on the exterior of the parking structure, but that doesn't mean that that that those funds can't be removed, or I think that the difference between the two, you know, the closest proposal, I guess, is roughly one point two, one point six two million dollars.

So that's something that I mean that's a that's a considerable amount of dollars where we could utilize that to um you know work with you guys as far as what this ultimately wants to look like from a facade perspective.

The only landscaping I see, and I know these are just you know renderings, sure.

They don't make it.

Yeah, we obviously didn't want to provide the full landscape renderings here of you know, with concern you wouldn't be able to see the garage.

Um another important consideration is is the height.

Um we are a whole you know story uh you are a whole story less, I guess.

Yes, than the other.

I and um again, you know, as Jacob mentioned, we are open to reallocating maybe some of those landscape heavy funds to look at some more architectural treatments for for the garage.

Um, and then also in the community discussions, I'm sure you know, some some different ideas and uh design criteria might come out of that.

Okay.

All righty.

Uh anyone else have any questions?

Okay, thank you, folks.

Thank you so much.

Um, next uh applicant is uh holiday park parking partners.

Who's gonna come up and speak?

We have uh Cody and Greg who are signed up to speak.

Is there anybody else?

Just the two of you.

If there are more, uh the floor is yours.

All right, good evening, everybody.

Uh my name is Cody Keys from uh Holiday Park Parking Partners.

Um recap some of the items that we touched on in the previous presentation and then drill down on some of the uh design items and some of the optional items that we've talked about.

Uh covering our team, uh, we've gone over clearance capital being the developer, uh parking advisors is the optional um operations partner core being involved uh throughout the entire process, as well as just an architects a local for Lauderdale uh architect who has completed many garages in South Florida.

CES consultants will talk a little bit more about being the uh stormwater civil engineer expert in South Florida, Vertiports by Atlantic as our optional uh design feature.

Should you choose to work with uh that item, as well as core construction and styles construction for the design build team, and then if the city chooses to move forward on operations and maintenance, um you've got uh styles core parking advisors and clearance capital.

Touching a little bit on some of the qualifications of the team and some of the bandwidth on projects and being able to complete these uh type of projects.

Currently, we've got over 150 projects active, over 1300 employees.

We've completed over 250 design build projects similar to this project, um, but what's important is that we've completed over 25 so social infrastructure P3 projects under this very similar delivery method.

So it's very important that this is a P3 project that we're proposing on, and having experience in that is something that uh we feel is important um as a part of our team, and uh we complete about four billion dollars worth of work annually.

Um jumping into the EVTOL optional item and some of the viability of this, uh December 17th, the day after the last per uh presentations, the Department of Transportation issued their advanced air mobility national strategy, and as you can see through the entire report, uh there is a heavy focus on these EV tolls being real, being able to be approved in the very near future, and not just for transportation and Uber like services, but for defense, for uh military, for local law enforcement emergency responses, for logistics and cargo.

Um the federal government making a statement in that report saying that they will lead a nationwide effort to accelerate the development and the deployment of advanced air mobility technologies throughout the United States.

Um we've also included a letter from Archer.

Um Archer is one of the manufacturers of the VTOLs.

Um, Vertiports by Atlantic is our partner that is proposing to cover all of the costs for the Vertiport decks, should the city choose to utilize that option.

Um so they're choosing to invest, build, and lead the way in the city of Fort Lauderdale should the city choose to exercise this optional design feature.

When we're touching on schedule, we're our schedule that was proposed.

Uh, while they are all similar, our schedule is the fastest uh schedule between nine months for the parking uh garage, night six months on the surface lot, eleven months on the fire station.

All of those would be done around the same time.

But what I think is unique to the plan that we've laid out is because of the advanced level of design that you have on your surface lot, we would be able to provide to you uh a number in the interim agreement and/or comprehensive agreement stage so that we could immediately begin construction on the surface lot so that the patrons that are attending and the neighbors that are attending Holiday Park would actually be able to park on that south surface lot while we construct the garage.

The garage is gonna take some time on design, on permitting, so being able to have that south lot active, open and ready for use as quickly as possible, so there's very little lag time in between uh when we start the construction on the parking garage.

We feel is important to be able to give the park access to uh parking garage or uh parking spaces quickly.

The optional vertiport asset, it's approximately a sixteen million dollar value that the city is not paying a dollar for.

This would be something that at the end of the loan term, the city would own, but all the upfront cost to build it and to operate it will be coming as a part of our consortium.

So that's a sixteen dollar or sixteen million dollar value that the city would ultimately retain once the loan period is done.

Uh, over a proposed 35-year annual lease uh annual lease revenue, approximately 200,000 again that can be negotiated to be more, to be less, but just using a round number that could turn into seven million dollars of revenue over that entire 35-year period.

So between a $16 million value on the infrastructure for the Vertiport itself, which the city would own and be able to retain and use through and past the loan period, you're also going to generate revenue.

And that lease payment, we can talk about escalators for overtime inflation.

You know, we're not saying 200,000 per year for 35 years.

We can negotiate where that goes and if uh how high that goes up over time.

But ultimately, the city will own the verte port at the end of the day, and the city may continue leasing and collecting revenue on that verte port, which the city will not have to front any cost for up front.

The numbers that we submitted, the overall number being 41 million, which you know, but there can be a little sticker shock there.

But the thousand space parking garage being 31 million, the 292 space surface lot being 3.4 million, and the fire station around 7 million.

If you look at the overall value that this proposal is proposing to offer to the city with that $16 million value on the Vertiport and another $7 million of revenue over time that the city would potentially be able to collect on that, you're really looking at more of an $18 million cost, and you're getting a parking garage, a surface lot, a fire station, and a verte port that the city would be able to use in the long term.

So when we look at those numbers side by side, if the city chooses to use that optional design feature, we're more looking at on our proposal around $18 million $18.9 million.

Um while the other ones are they don't have a revenue generation source that will help the city pay for this so that the city doesn't uh have to come out of pocket on such a high upfront cost.

So this is a true P3 that is going to generate revenue for the city to help pay for this project over time.

Uh just touching back on the qualifications of this team.

Our team, as you can see by BD and C back up how much you how much did you uh oh seven million for the fire station?

Is that what you is that what you uh is that what you allocated?

I'm trying to I'm trying to go back.

Sorry.

Oh back to the fire station right there.

7 million 96,000.

Correct.

Okay, and 3.4 for the part for the service service lot and 31 million for the thousand paid.

Okay, just want to make sure my numbers correct.

Okay, good.

Yep.

Please proceed.

And for uh again, touching on the team qualifications, we built over 200 fire stations.

We've also completed over 74 parking garages right here in South Florida.

45,000 total parking spaces built in or uh 45,000 total parking spaces built in Florida, that's 17.2 million square feet of parking garages that this team has completed.

So we're no stranger to fire stations.

Um we complete more than just about anybody in the United States, as well as we've completed the 74 parking garages in South Florida.

Um those are things that the city should ultimately put some weight on.

We've completed, you know, and successfully completed a P3 in Broward County, where the only true P3 offering a revenue generation source.

If you look at the overall value, and that should the city choose to exercise the uh Verdeport option, it turns into the lowest true cost for the city, counting the value and the revenue that could be provided, and we have the fastest and most efficient schedule.

Um touching on the design, our design is very thoughtful in the overall use and connectivity of the park.

We have included a design that complements the other existing structures that are in the park while still maintaining the park.

We do have a sidewalk that uh Commissioner Swordson mentioned that would potentially connect all the way up to federal highway.

We only added that because we met with the Flaggerville Civic Association, and that was their question was hey, every time we try to get the holiday park, we have to walk down grass or a street with oncoming traffic, you know, in both directions.

How can you address that?

So we proposed something in there that the city will ultimately have to make the decision if that's what they want to do, but we've incorporated it into our renderings.

We have a large park nature walkway at the front of our parking garage that you can see in some of the renderings that again continue to keep that natural aesthetic.

Um it's right here at the bottom uh towards uh the opening, but you've got that nature walkway that's there and accessible.

We've explored options for uh permeable pavers or different types of asphalt.

Should you choose to utilize those, we've already done the research, we've provided you with samples, and that's the city's decision.

But we can do all those things.

Um we've provided for an Uber ride share pickup, drop off, and valet area that is not you know just lost space, it's well thought out so that the circulation of the garage continues.

We have a pull-through fire station that allows for the firefighters to not have to get out and back up fire trucks.

Now they can do it, but if you talk to different firefighters, majority of them are going to tell you that they prefer being able to drive through instead of having to back in.

Um but being able to have a partner that's gonna work on those designs for you that we've already incorporated uh is something that we put a lot of time and effort into meeting with the Victoria Park Civic Association, their biggest concern was stormwater.

So we added CES consultants to the team who are one of South Florida's experts on stormwater and civil engineering, and they've already run calculations on the potential savings of or water storage on the site.

Um so I'm running out of time, but those were some of the main points that we wanted to uh kind of reiterate.

All right.

All right, great, thank you.

Um just just to back up now.

Uh you spoke a lot about the verteport, and you're saying that um if we decided to add uh the verte port to the top floor of the parking garage, that's going to drop the the amount of money we have to contribute towards the construction of this job uh by sixteen million.

The verteport is not included in that 41 million as far as what the city is paying for.

The true value of this garage and package together is upwards of 55 million, but the city is only paying 41.

So trying to explain the sixteen million dollar value of the asset while the seven million dollar potential value of the revenue coming in.

So your cost is fifty-something million.

The contractual cost to the city would only be 41 million.

The value that we're providing is upwards of 50 million.

Okay.

Um, according to the summary we were just given, um, with the parking garage at 31 31 million, the parking lot at 3.4 million, and the fire EMS station at 7 million, your cost comes to almost 42 million dollars.

Correct.

And that's that's not taking into consideration the Verdeport uh deck.

It is not taking consideration that's completely separate and apart.

Completely separate that the city would never pay for if you elected to use it, we would be paying for that.

Okay, so in your calculation, you somehow drop the cost to 18 million.

Where did that number come from?

That number comes from the value that would be created from the city owning that verteport.

The city will own that verteport and the value of that verteport is roughly 16 million.

Is that because of rent?

I mean, what is the where is the value?

The rent is the seven million, that's the revenue over the 35-year period.

The value of the verteport is you now own a verteport in your city, the city owns it.

It's not our asset, we're not keeping it from you.

It's nice you just own the garage.

So it doesn't, it doesn't reduce the cost of the parking garage.

It just is value added should we decide.

Okay, I guess I understand now.

All right, I'm sorry.

All right, great.

Uh anyone have any questions?

I do, Mayor.

All right.

Thank you very much.

And again, as I mentioned to the first presenter, thank you so much for your time and also for your uh work on this.

I will tell you, um, obviously this is located in district two, and I've had conversations with the presidents of both Flagler Village and uh also Victoria Park, the two closest neighborhoods, and they're very appreciative that their suggestions were included in this, um, both from the stormwater perspective of Victoria Park, because that's an issue in this park, and as it spills over to the neighborhood, uh, and as you mentioned, Flagler Village with the connectivity from across the street, Florida federal, and and making their way.

So I will tell you thank you for that.

Um I want to know, and the mayor just touched upon this, but um if you could help just explain, so forgetting the verteport, so why is your proposal higher for the garage, the surface lot, and the um EMS station uh as opposed to uh the other two.

So for the the EMS station and the surface lot were relatively in line with the other uh proposers.

Um I'm not sure if the summary covers that, but the uh parking garage itself, we do have some design elements that are there to incorporate the park atmosphere to complement the parker and the war memorial and making sure that you do have a design uh similar to what the mayor mentioned during the last presentation that is something respective of the city of Fort Lauderale and the type of structures that you all are looking forward to building in the city and not just giving a bare bones uh project here and without we didn't modify our design on this submission because that's what how we understood the instructions, but once we are able to move past this phase, if you guys are to select our team, we are happy to design to any budget that the city provides.

But once we are able to move past this phase, if you guys are to select our team, we are happy to design to any budget that the city provides.

We are happy to design any elements that the city would like or would like to take out.

There's definitely architectural items that we could take out that would help to lower some of that cost if the city chooses to do that.

Ultimately, it's your decision of how you want this garage to look.

So basically, the five million dollar difference between you and park place garage, and then the nine million dollar difference between you and G3 for just the parking garage, you're saying is attributable to the architecture, uh, the design and the elements that go into those.

Yes, basically that's correct.

And something else that it's important to point out, um our the competitor who just presented um has a larger footprint garage.

We purposely went with a smaller footprint garage to create a bigger buffer zone at the pedestrian level so that the perception and the feel is more like park.

Um so that's one of the things.

And we also added the expense of a skin, a more decorative, more complimentary skin to uh blend in with the war memorial and with parker playhouse.

That's that's the mainly added cost.

The rest of it is you know, our parking garage is as competitive as almost anybody else's.

It's how you dress it up and make it look and appear to the public that that's important.

Okay, no, understood.

Thank you.

So again, just to reiterate, the city is not paying for the verteport if we decide that this is an element that we want.

Correct.

The city is not paying for the verteport.

Um, and ultimately, if the city uh chose to no longer want it to be a verteport, it can be converted into uh parking.

Okay.

That was something I was gonna add is that.

Go ahead.

We we we conceive the the verteport to be you know flexible if for some reason in the future the city wants that to be parking, that's been taken into account as well, and it wouldn't be difficult to make that conversion if if at some point in the future that fifth level or sixth level wanted to be a uh a parked area, would add another 200 to 225 spaces.

If we if we did decide to go with the verteport, and then just touching upon what you said, if the vertiport is not successful, and we decided we did want to see that extra floor as parking, would that be something that you would do at no cost to the city?

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

Um next question.

Uh how do you come upon the figure of 200,000 per year in lease revenue for the Vertiport?

So that was the number that was discussed uh between the uh financing partner and Vertiports by Atlantic.

Um, but that number is a rough number.

Should the city choose to want to charge more, charge less?

That is something that we'll be able to sit down and talk about in the uh comprehensive agreement phase, and however the city wants to program that space, we can accommodate that cost.

Obviously, the um Verdeport by Atlantic would need to agree to that final number, but they would essentially be a tenant leasing out the verteport deck.

So that's all negotiable.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Um when you account for that value of the vertical, which I know we've spent some time on, um how do you see yourself comparing to the other two proposals?

Being that there is such a difference in the garage, and we've gone over the architectural reasons, the design reasons, uh, what other reasons in terms of comparison to the other two proposals?

Um, for the most part, uh that that covers it, but again, the the thoughtfulness of the design and including things like the Uber ride share pickup area, um, as you can see from the renderings, we've gone above and beyond not only to add mature trees and heavy lush landscaping, um, but it protecting the existing trees that are there that are already our native trees.

And in our first presentation, we showed you our our tree protection plan for all of the trees that are existing that and how we'd be able to protect those and uh keep those uh trees in good health during the construction of the project.

Thank you.

Is the value that you're discussing here with regards to not just the lease payments but also over the time of the a lease, uh are those numbers uh a guarantee value or are they just speculative?

So the verteport deck itself that uh I'm saying the is a sixteen million dollar value.

There's no speculation there.

That is the estimate that we've provided to Vertiports by Atlantic for the cost of that deck.

Um the lease revenue would be subject to whatever rate uh the city agrees to as well as Vertiports by Atlantic, and then we would be able to update the revenue projections and the performer from there.

Um risk with regards to this verteport to the city?

The risk for the verteport is through verteports by Atlantic.

Ultimately, they are leasing that space, and they are the ones that would be programming it and being you know taking the risk of making sure that they're making money on their end.

If there was any issue and say you guys wanted to terminate their lease and they wanted to get out, we do have it covered in their cost to change that top deck back to parking, should the city want that.

And last question, why why wouldn't we as a commission choose the lowest sticker price?

Ultimately, in this parking uh garage, you're putting it in the middle of a park.

If you wanted the bare bones garage, you can absolutely go with that and find that lowest cost, but I still believe the uh additional items that we are proposing to add to the garage being the Uber ride share and lift, the design aesthetic, it gives it the overall value is better to the city and the patrons of the park and the neighbors that will be attending the park from the covered walkways to the parker to the optional sidewalks that we talked about to federal for Flagler Village, and it really gives you like our first slide says a turnkey P3 service to the city.

This is a a partnership between us and between the city and ultimately the neighbors and residents that are gonna utilize Holiday Park, and we are taking all those things into account.

Thank you.

That's it for me, Mayor.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

Um else have any questions or comments?

Ben, did you have any questions or comments?

Yeah, thanks.

Go ahead.

Thanks, Mayor.

Thank you.

Thanks for the presentation.

Who would operate and maintain the vertiport?

That would all be done by Verteports by Atlantic.

Um that is their responsibility.

The city would not have to bear any uh responsibility or cost to that.

They would the city's responsibility would just be to lease that to their tenant who would then have to take care of that portion.

How many similar structures to this or a question for you from Vertiport standpoint?

Do you do you uh operate and maintain?

Well, this is a nascent industry, so actually this would be the first of its kind in the United States.

Lots of these are being built in the Middle East, but this would be the first one in our country.

So definitely for Lauderdale would be at the pinnacle of technology for transportation in our nation.

Thanks.

Um Cody, I if I heard you right, I don't I don't know if I did, but um if at some point the city wanted to convert from a vertiport to just a parking deck on the top, did I hear you say that core would pay for that conversion?

Not core, but uh holiday park parking partners, and it's already agreed upon that we would be able to convert that deck.

We already have the ramps that are are already considered in the verteport number, that's not the city's cost, and then we would just have to convert that deck to parking, and um that would be our responsibility.

Great.

Um life cycle annual, so the rest of the garage where cars are parked would be those lifecycle costs would be borne by the city, right?

Uh yes, if the city chooses to opt out of the operations and maintenance component of our proposal, then the city would be responsible for uh the operations and maintenance outside of uh typical warranty and warranty eager to um uh participate in the operations component where we have parking advisors, the largest parking infrastructure operator uh in the country.

Um, but if the city doesn't need that uh service, that is again optional, and then the uh maintenance portion of it, we can absolutely do that part and remove that risk from the city and have that be something that we are fully responsible for.

Uh it's whatever the best option is for the city, but we would be happy to maintain it so that at the end of that 35-year period, you are truly going to receive an asset.

It's going to be well maintained, it's going to be in good working condition, and it's been turnkey at no risk to the city.

If anything happens to the garage, it's something that we have to be responsible for as this consortium.

Um, similar to uh any other issue that would happen in it uh like a weather event or something gets damaged, it's something that we're going to take care of while the city just maintains that even predictable uh payment that they're gonna be making for the uh overall loan.

Great.

Um the that if the city opted into the maintenance um possibility, any sense of what that's obviously not included in the 41 million?

The operations and maintenance components are not included.

Uh we only provided the costs for the construction of the garage, and uh we were asked to remove any of the financing or options like that.

But we could we can provide that uh if you choose.

Okay.

Uh thank you.

That's it, Mayor.

Okay.

Uh Commissioner Beasley put yes, yes.

I have a couple of questions.

Thank you.

Um, in regards to the verteport, we're on this conversation.

Um, understanding that we would be the first in the country if we um took upon this this um this option.

Um being the first anyone near us in the state of Florida in the Tri-County area, um, because I'm thinking if we do this, is there a connector?

I'm thinking about um how we connect it with the bright line, that usage.

Is this something that is gonna pop and go and it's gonna it's gonna take off and not be stagnant for a moment?

If you could address that.

Absolutely, and uh Rolly can jump in and answer uh most of that.

But I think a lot of us have seen all of the recent publicity between uh people like Stephen Ross and Palm Beach County with the different uh investments that he's making personally between Palm Beach County and Dade County, but Broward County is not at the forefront of that.

The city of Fort Lauderdale has the opportunity to be uh but as well as uh FXC Roley talk a little bit more.

Thank you.

Um Commissioner, so to your question, our business model does contemplate having several locations that we already have a leasehold in West Palm Beach, a leasehold in Boca, and a leasehold in Miami Dade County.

So this location would be connected to those in addition, and Cody just mentioned that, and I believe uh Director James is here.

We have a leasehold uh or an FBO that uh is operated by uh uh Atlantic Aviation, our our parent company at FXC, and we contemplate also having a vertiport at FXC, which could connect in Broward County to uh this location as well as to points north and points south, uh, as well as at our FBO in Opalaka and connecting to our other locations.

And then additionally, because of all the buzz that has come about um by the federal government pushing forward with this technology, as Cody correctly stated, the likes of Stephen Ross.

I I don't want to mention a name because it's not been disclosed, but our company has spoken to another very large local developer that wants to build this into his commercial spaces and his residential spaces.

So, yes, this will become a network of locations that people will be able to fly to and from avoiding congestion and traffic.

So, yes, it will be uh a full network.

Okay.

Also, um next question state of Florida.

What are we is the state of Florida connecting to this technology?

And then also what is the FAA?

What I haven't um really dive into this part of this opportunity.

Definitely I just you know we don't want to be the light, and there's no plug to get into it.

Well, well, uh first of all, let me start with the last point that you touched upon.

Anything and everything that we're discussing about developing uh would have to uh meet the requirements of all those levels of government.

The FAA, of course, controls everything in our national airspace.

Right.

So they would do an evaluation of the proposed routes in and out.

They would make an assessment as to whether there's obstructions, whether it's safe, whether there's any uh nuisance to the community before they approve the operation of the facility.

So that that would be paramount and first and foremost in our task as we seek to get this approved.

But to your first question about the uh the depart the state of Florida, um the charge in the state of Florida is being led by the Florida Department of Transportation, and we really are very lucky in our state that that agency has really been at the forefront.

I've been in this industry, uh, it'll be five years in a couple of months, and the state of Florida has been leading the charge that whole time.

They've put out a guidebook as as it relates to how these things could be integrated into our community, and um they just submitted uh a proposal to the federal government so that the state of Florida will be basically a testing ground for um how these operations will happen even before certification of the aircraft comes to be.

So we likely will see these aircraft from some of the locations that I mentioned, like at FXE uh or Opalaka flying sometime later this year to get people used to seeing them and for the industry themselves to see how they will integrate with other um aircraft in the year, whether it's commercial or or drones.

So very exciting.

And my last question in regards to the fire station, um the noise pollution.

We talked about how the other presenters what they're doing to um guess in I guess where it's aligned with the project itself.

So if you could explain again about the fire station, where it is location and if it's attached, detached.

Sure.

I can look for the there we go.

Um that's just a quick overhead view.

Uh does this have a laser?

So right on this top portion, I'm not sure if you could see it.

I can hit this screen.

It's on the top portion where you have a drive through fire station, a pull-through fire station uh that has it immediately adjacent to the parking garage while still on the same footprint uh uh area that we're talking about.

It's going to be inherently uh quieter, um, but this is just our proposal.

If the city wanted it inside the garage, we could absolutely incorporate it inside the garage.

But there's I think is some uh real benefits for the overall health and wellness of the firefighters that would be living in this station uh regularly and being able to make sure that they have the best quality and best um safe, clean environment uh to be able to spend their careers in as they serve the city of Fort Lardo.

Thank you, Mayor.

I have no other questions.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh Vice Mayor, do you have any questions?

Yep.

Couple of questions, so thank you.

Um appreciate it.

Uh couple of questions, mostly um around the verteport as well, because I think that's probably really the most interesting aspect of the you know garage as a garage to a great extent.

But uh you know, to to your point, really, this is the only true P3 out of all the submittals.

The other one really more resemble an RFP as far as I'm concerned.

So this one having a revenue component really strikes me as being more of a of a true P3.

But I do have some questions uh about it.

Um I'll also make one comment too, just uh from uh from a math perspective.

So your seven million revenue, not really net present value of that of uh 35 year uh revenue stream is about three point two million.

So just as we're looking at that for math, I kind of like to get my numbers right.

Um but other than that, not not not not a bad thing.

Um let's talk about some of these things, though.

So um you talked about if we were at some point to decide that we no longer wanted to operate a verteport.

Uh and let me let me even back up before that.

You said that that your team would be constructing and paying for the vertiport facility.

In other words, you will finance that in its entirety up front.

So that will not be baked into whatever cost of construction is associated with the rest of the garage.

So you know, if we issue a bond for $30 million to pay for it, your piece of it is separately financed at the time that we you let this entire contract.

So it's a fifty million dollar contract, we pay 30, you're paying your whatever it is, 15 or 16 million dollars, and all that's funded up front.

Correct.

Completely separate transaction got it, no uh to the city.

Presumably, if two or three years down the road we decide we don't want to be in the vertiport business anymore, I I can't envision a scenario in which we cancel that and you guys just eat sixteen million dollars.

I mean, from a financial perspective, that seems highly unrealistic to me, so let's talk about that for a minute.

Sure.

Uh I'm presuming that there's some sort of a uh a walkaway fee if we decide to cancel the contract, you're gonna want to get reimbursed for that.

I mean, I can't again I can't envision any financial scenario where you don't expect to get repaid if we walk away voluntarily and we just cancel the contract.

So help hell hel help me understand.

Sure.

So in the comprehensive agreement, um we can work out terms of you know two to three years is very quickly, you know, for something like that to go away.

So um there would be terms that would be uh need to be agreed upon by uh the city if they choose or if the city was to choose to move forward with that option.

Um and yes, it would be similar to like a termination for convenience uh type clause, and the city would have to be willing to agree to those terms as well as the verteports by Atlantic, willing to accept those terms um for that portion of it uh to work.

Okay, but there yes, there is uh there is an investment and there would be an expected duration to be able to uh recover some of that.

Right.

And and I would only expect that.

I mean, that's only reasonable.

I just want I want to make sure that we're all clear that you know, if we cancel this, we don't get a uh sixteen million dollars.

Sixty million dollar facility for free.

And you know, Christmas just came and it's not coming again anytime soon.

So all right.

I just want to make sure we're all on the same page with that.

Um great.

Uh next question.

Um, you know, we just ran into a project uh where they weren't able to get the project viable within a period of time.

So uh as Commissioner Beasley Pittman put in, we got a lamp that you might not be able to plug in for a while.

Now I I know I shared uh with some folks an article I believe was in the New York Times just recently about how they're looking to start uh running vertiport operations, air taxis out of Miami and Palm Beach, and you know, we're sort of that uh middle child in the middle that kind of makes it you know maybe viable.

Um so I know this is a technology that I think probably has legs.

I know there's a number of companies that are looking at it, and I think the thing that's advantageous for you guys is you're you're not the manufacturers, you know, you're you're basically providing the infrastructure, if you will.

You know, you're providing the razor, not the razor blade, you know.

So you uh and that's a good thing.

Um but you know uh sort of like with uh the autonomous taxis, you know, it may take a while to get this to a point where it becomes a uh uh a viable business model.

You know, that could be three years, it could be five years, it could be longer.

Um what happens if this doesn't really take off in the time frame that is anticipated and hoped for?

Sure.

Um so I can touch on a little bit and then I'll have uh Rolly jump back in.

But just as far as construction durations go, that is going to give us a little bit of time for this to get approved.

If uh you read the air advanced air mobility plan from the federal government, we know that that's not going to be perfect and the timelines aren't going to be dead on, but but around the time it's going to take to get this approved, design permitted constructed, it's going to put us much closer to that time of where these would be ready to get off the ground.

And then I'll let Roley talk a little bit more about the actual approval.

And I see it getting built.

I'm just I'm just afraid it's going to sit there underutilized.

It'll be sitting there, it'll sit there empty is is more my concern.

I I'm I have no doubt you'll build it in a timely manner.

I'm just afraid it'll be uh an unused asset just sitting up there empty and you know, is it providing any devices?

Well, we we could if we if we could take it back, but then it's gonna cost us sixteen million dollars.

So you can just restrict it.

We'll rent it back.

But yeah, so I just want to understand.

So if if you know, if uh if the rapidity of adoption of the new technology is not as rapid as is hoped for, what does that mean for the you know for for the project overall?

I I think I maybe did a poor job of explaining my point of it's gonna take us at least uh you know a year to get it built, which will put us that much closer to the approval of the uh actual VTOLs being in action and moving.

But Rolly In addition to that, our business model does contemplate, and and our CEO hates to say this, but a basically a crawl walk run.

We realize that the first three to five years of this, there aren't going to be that many aircraft, people have to get used to it.

So we've built that into our business model.

We really see this taking off once autonomy gets added, which is not for another five to six years.

So around the 10-year mark is when we really see pardon the pundits really taking off and it being uh much more woven into the fabric of our communities and people being used to it.

I mean it's no different than if you think back, arguing back to when Uber first was presented.

You know, people were like, I'm getting into somebody's car and I'm driving around, what is that?

But now it's become second nature for everybody.

So sure.

Yeah.

And then my other question, I and I I I posed this to you guys, I asked you to kind of think about this, and so I just kind of get it out for everybody's you know, edification.

Um if again the optimistic scenario doesn't work out, uh, and at some point the entire operation shuts down and we lose that revenue stream, um, you know, what happens to us?

So at that point you abandon the facility, we take it over.

So if you walk away from it, we get the facility back at no charge.

Um we lose our revenue stream.

Tell tell me how you envision all that sort of working out.

There's no guarantee of the revenue stream, obviously.

Sure.

So if we were if that was to happen and being able to turn that top deck back over to the city, we would be responsible for converting that to parking, and that cost would be covered if Vertiports by Atlantic were to walk away, that top deck would be converted at no cost to parking.

Now my concern about that though is at the time you would opt to do that, the company would probably be in a less than advantageous condition.

That's why you'd be walking away from it.

Um where's the financial guarantee behind that?

I'm assuming you don't want to post a bond because that's expensive.

Um you're not gonna want to put uh put something in escrow because that's expensive.

So where's the you know, where sort of the guarantee that you know if if the business model doesn't work, if it doesn't perform, and you do wind up uh closing the doors and walking away, that we're not left with a facility that we then have to go in and spend whatever that might take to restore back to garage use.

You know, what am I what are my guarantees?

I guess is the question at that point.

Sure.

What's my comfort?

At this point, the guarantee that I'm able to give you is that we would convert it to parking on the top deck.

Right.

Um we can negotiate in some terms that you and the city would feel comfortable with agreeing to.

Um but what we're prepared at this moment is that we would convert that back to uh parking.

And yes, unfortunately that revenue stream would not be a part of it.

Uh, but it would be able to be used as parking.

And what did you say we get 200 and would you say 85?

Did I hear two fifty, two eighty five, two thirty five?

Between two hundred and two hundred twenty-five years, come on, Greg.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, let me switch gears a little bit now.

Just uh a question that somebody had raised to me.

So um for for for those of you who utilize Holiday Park, you know some of you may, some of you may not.

I don't know.

We got horses over there.

So what's the impact on our horse barn over there of uh of uh and I don't know how many flights you're planning on uh on a daily basis when you're up and running at focal tests?

I'm sorry.

The the bird the the uh they're not that quiet.

The flying devices, the f I don't know what you call them.

The air taxis.

Air taxis.

They don't supposedly don't make any noise.

Have you ever heard a drone?

Yes.

All drones make noise.

I know.

These are very, very big drones.

They're going to make noise.

They're they're not they're not they're not silent.

So there's going to be noise associated with it.

I assume it'd be a high pitch noise.

Um obviously our horses are trained to deal with traffic noise and things like that.

They're not that skittish, but still uh it is a concern that was raised to me.

I mean, we spent a lot of money.

We had uh petitions years ago when we were opting to try and eliminate our horse patrol.

People came out and droves and donated money to save the horses.

By the way, they only did that once.

They never donated money again.

So that was one year they donated money, but we'll leave that aside.

So that's actually 21 years ago.

I know.

One sixty-five thousand dollars once twenty years ago, never gave a dime cents.

But okay.

So that's actually one of the first concerns that was brought up to me uh just by chance I was talking to uh somebody at the police department uh eight, nine months ago, and when they brought that up, uh, you know, and said, hey, what are what are we gonna do about the horses?

You know, you've got this going on.

Um, our garage is a little bit further back from the horses, having the fire station be the closest aspect to the horses.

We'd also talked about building um whether it's uh a block wall, uh like a privacy type wall, because there's also you know, they already have issues with people reaching over the fence and feeding the horses and things like that.

And I said, well, you know, some kind of privacy sound wall, block wall that we'd be able to build there for at least that initial car traffic, as far as the V tolls themselves, uh 70 decibels at around a hundred feet.

The garage is already around sixty feet.

So you're gonna be sixty or seventy decibels is not very high.

Um it's it's relatively like a vacuum cleaner is uh Roley's comparison to what 70 decibels is at that hundred feet.

Um so it'll be slightly louder than that vacuum cleaner.

It's actually not as much of a high pitch wine as you would think um because the blades are going slower, there's no exhaust that's on these because they're electric.

So it doesn't have that typical drone zing and uh the it's not nearly as loud of more of a like a hum noise to it.

Um but we we have considered it, you know.

I can't make the whole thing go away, but it is something that we've already talked about and talked about issues uh with the architect to see if there's some little things that we can do to help make it that much better.

And I think with the garage being already further offset on the site and then having you know the the fire trucks are not coming out of the gates with the lights and sirens on.

No, they'll they'll be going out in the park running quiet until they get out onto federal highway or if you look at the image that's on the screen now, you do see that there's a good distance between the garage and the uh where the horses are located, and if there was that wall, it would significantly reduce it overall.

Um but yes, there still would be the 70, 80, 90 decibel uh noise that would be heard.

Okay.

And and how many flights do you factor into your business plan in order for this to be viable for you?

What do you anticipate when you reach you know stabilization, if you will?

At a facility like this where we have uh what are called two Fatos, where you would eventually be able to have uh six aircraft.

Um we would be looking at, I believe, don't quote me on this.

I think it's uh ten turns per stand uh in an hour.

So I mean it could be twenty, thirty flights in it, either whether it's in or out uh in a given hour.

Um initially again, these operations will only be uh visual uh uh rights, so it would only be uh during the day, so it won't be at night.

It would be let's say from like eight in the morning till about or seven in the morning until about seven o'clock at night.

Um so over the course of that many hours, about fifteen operations at peak, not at the beginning.

At the beginning, it'll probably be you know one flight every couple of hours.

Um, you know, but that won't be till beyond five year five.

And then uh last question uh it was raised to me by someone.

Um what's your flight path of these?

So are these flying over the park?

Are they flying over kids?

Are you flying over the tennis courts when they when they take off?

How do you exit the perimeter?

So all of that will be uh addressed by the FAA and the and and the uh commissioner asked about that.

Um as we've looked at it preliminarily, we would use the benefit of Sunrise Boulevard, which is just north.

So it'd be exiting and going north and then going on top of sunrise out to the ocean, because our best benefit is how close we are to to the water, and then that's how we would move up and down the coast as it relates to going to other places.

Right past the gallery.

Possibly.

Uh but I'm not guaranteeing it's gonna be that.

That's what we've looked at is taking the benefit of federal highway and sunrise as access points either to come in or to go out.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Commissioner Herbst.

Commissioner Herbst, I just uh remembered uh a point on the financing, or you talked about you know the company potentially not being in a good position if the verteport portion was to fail, and one option that our uh development finance team had already considered in that, and that um again as a separate transaction between um the finance team and verteports by Atlantic having that cost of conversion in their initial financing as an option so that that cost is already you know, like a gap coverage.

If something goes sour, that's okay, cost is already there, and it can be used to take care of that um that deck conversion.

Great.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Oh, I'm sorry, I did have one last question.

I apologize.

Um how's your how's your management team?

I I think you got uh another big project on your plate.

We do so how how are you staffed up for this?

Uh just sure, you know, are are you are you able to uh you know I'm I'm thinking, you know, this is kind of the snake with the you know sure, so I can definitely cover that.

Um like when I broke down the uh it's gonna get lost if I try to go back.

The team that we have here, there's only two carries of the team that you're referring to.

Uh corn styles being that common denominator.

However, I'm just thinking Greg.

I uh he was here with uh City Hall and he's here again and like so uh Greg being the vice president of pre-con.

Um ultimately you know that we're a very large construction firm.

Sure.

Um we've already have a hundred and fifty plus active projects around the country right now with you know an annual revenue of about four billion dollars uh that we've got running through it.

So as far as project management, the team that was here, I think you might have remembered I had like 15 people standing here.

It was a completely different project management team.

It was a completely different uh project executive, you had uh different superintendent, you had I mean, these are different structures completely.

So the teams that work on this from a pre-construction standpoint like Greg uh to the actual construction teams are completely different teams.

We have the staff uh that are there, we've already proposed them and have shown them to you here, but uh the bandwidth on that is not something that is a concern or would by any means stretch us to a point that we wouldn't be able to handle it or we'd only be able to focus on one or the other.

It's something that we're very used to doing.

Um we have uh people, staff, project management teams across the state, and right here in Fort Lauderdale that the Fort Lauderdale office will be handling both of these projects, and they we have more than enough staff to be able to take care of those projects.

Okay, thank you.

Very much appreciated.

Commissioner Rowan, I'll just add to that real quick.

Something a project like this in City Hall and the any any other number of other projects our companies work on.

Um we're very careful in how we uh uh plan our pre-construction workloads, and these have you know, these have a little bit of a ramp up time, City Hall.

And this one is obviously a lot shorter, but as long as we have the time to properly prepare the workload is gonna be planned for and handled um more than adequately between our our companies.

Okay, great.

Thank you so much.

Any other questions of these gentlemen?

Uh there are none.

Thank you so much, gentlemen.

Yeah, I was gonna say, why don't we take uh before the third group comes up?

Let's take a five to eight minute break.

And and Mayor, we just wanted to clarify something.

Um we do have a project planned that will or could impact this project.

Just Ben Rogers is gonna share a little bit about our lauder trail, if if you don't mind for 10 seconds.

After the break.

Thank you.

We'll resume our meeting.

I'd now like to invite Park Place Garages LLC to begin your presentation.

Oh, did you have something more that you want to say?

Oh, that's right.

Um moment.

Yes, Ben, you want to talk about water trail?

Yes, if I dare.

Um just want to give a brief update because I I heard the conversation about the sidewalk down the roadway.

I just want to let the commission know that as part of the Lauder Trail project, we have completely designed that sidewalk.

It's a hundred percent design.

We haven't moved to the construction yet based off of the YMCA parcel being under development, the garage, and then the surface lot.

So the entryway for Holiday Park going from Federal Highway to War Memorial, we'll have a sidewalk on both the north and the south side of the roadway all the way up.

In addition, we've worked with the U YMCA, so they have a setback going along uh federal highway.

So from 8th to 9th, we'll also have that same that trail.

So uh as Commissioner Storenson pointed out that one had a trail, one didn't.

Uh we've again 100% designed it and we're ready to move forward with construction uh as as part of either this project or a separate project.

Is that is that excuse me?

Is that section of Lauder Trail funded?

We have um funds in the Lauder Trail project that could move that forward if we would decide to use that for that reason.

Uh we could also leverage it as part of one of these projects and add it as a scope uh to to have them develop it at the same time.

But I just want to let the commission know that we do have 100% design plans for the water trail going from tomorrow up to 9th.

Excellent.

Great, thank you.

Ben does that also include on the west side of federal up ninth where the old Sears Town project was going to go, because that was part of that also.

So that was segment A.

Uh, and I believe that that portions that was designed, I think we created the uh specifications that we want, but we were working with the Search Town developer to uh actually implement it.

So as if that project moves forward, then we'll uh implement that section.

But right now we're uh ready to move forward with uh down federal highway into war memorial.

That's a big if, but okay.

Yep.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um please introduce yourself.

My name is John Sharon.

I am with uh Park Place Garages and uh Gulf Building.

Uh we're here with our team today to talk a little bit about the questions and answers and and obviously answer any questions that uh you may have.

Uh mayor, vice mayor, commissioners and city staff.

Um again, thank you for the opportunity.

We're gonna have a quick recap.

We're not going through our presentation.

You have our presentations.

If you have a question about it, please ask.

Um, how did you get how did you price drop 11 million dollars?

Well, this is a great starting.

So it didn't.

It didn't.

Okay, did not talk to us.

So the day that we received the responses from the city, we sent the response back saying this is the correct uh costs allocations.

Uh the city reviewed it, they submitted it to you, they gave you what our proposals were.

Um I think the city commission at that point says, you know what, we need to get an apples to apples comparisons, which is exactly what we responded to.

In addition, we had a 10,000 square foot uh fire station, which was reduced to 8,000 square feet.

But overall, the pricing has stayed the same.

The the fire station has been reduced in price.

But when we were finalizing the the uh the proposals a month ago here, I was almost jumping out of my seat saying, hey, everything has been added into our proposal, which is why I think the commissioner said, Hey, let's go back and let's do a complete apples to apples comparison, which is exactly what you have today.

Well, I'm going back to the PFM summary, it showed that you were you were with the parking garage, with the fire station, with the surface lot, it all came to 52 million eight hundred thousand.

It had and today you're proposing the same at 36 million.

Because it had our developer fees included in there, it had solar in there, it had a larger garage, um, and it that's what that's exactly what we responded to.

We said that's not the correct, it's all you cumulated all of our cost and put it at the bottom.

This was the and our if you look at our response the same night that we received that, that's what we responded to.

And this is a clarification of exactly that.

Okay, so you pulled out elements then that uh were the city wanted us to pull out for apples to apples.

Exactly.

Okay, I get it.

So at the end of the meeting, I I passed out a big sheet saying, here's our true costs.

Okay, and then we kind of stopped at that point.

So that's why we needed a breather exactly while we're back here today.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um you've heard a lot of numbers.

Let's just keep it simple.

We have a thousand car garage, we have two hundred and ninety-two spaces, and we have an eight thousand square foot parking garage located within the the park eight thousand square foot fire station located within the parking garage, which is a requirement also from the city when they is that a drive-thru it is not a drive-thru because it's located within the garage itself.

Okay, which was a request from the latest apples to apples comparison.

So, you know, when projects like this are evaluated, there are again, please stop me at any time.

Um, you have to look at what are the total costs which you guys are really doing and diving in.

Thank you for city staff for doing this.

Um, our proposal sits in the middle.

So some people would say throw out the low, throw out the high, and go with the middle.

However, we're not gonna do that tonight.

We're gonna go through and we're gonna talk about everything that you have a question on.

Um, but we don't like being in the middle of the road, but it's the real construction costs, the real schedules, and that's where real accountability lives for this to this type of project.

We've priced this project the way it will it will be built with realistic labor assumptions, careful phasing, and a very clear understanding of many years of fire station and garage experience.

Our job is to make sure that the city gets exactly what they expect, and what a fantastic day to be here talking about our garage about the tree canopies, and we're gonna help you with this project because it's not aspirational.

That's part of our project, which I think the mayor pointed out.

Um I believe competition is healthy, it sharpens ideas.

This project has brought people from all over the country, all over the state, to talk to you about this garage and propose to it.

We're local, we are here.

That said, we live here, we work here.

In fact, my son Jacob is over there right now playing soccer at Holiday Park.

Um we'll be here long after tonight's vote.

Uh this project won't be managed from an airport, won't be managed from a hotel.

It's going to be managed from Broward Boulevard, which is where my office is.

Our headquarters was built there three years ago.

I don't have a board to report to out of state, out of the city.

I am the board, I am the CEO, I am the decision maker for this type of project for this project right now.

So anything you have a question on, I'm happy to ask, answer you.

Uh we're offering the city what we think is the best solution for this project.

Again, very simply put, a thousand cars at 26.6 million dollars, 292 parking spaces surface, 3.5 million, which actually went up from our original proposal because we received drawings, and an 8,000 square foot fire station for third for 6.5 million, total of 36.6 million dollars.

As you can see, here's the layout of the project.

Um a lot of questions are about the sidewalks.

I can tell you about the size of sidewalks because we built them and we're building them.

Uh we're on the on the YMCA, obviously, a lot of you know that.

Everyone knows that.

That's up here because we've talked about it.

But you can see the traffic flow, how we're getting cars in and out of our garage.

We're going from the the Parker, which actually how already has a valet around uh to the north and having direct access into the back of the garage.

We have pedestrian access on the south side of the garage.

And one of the questions I think was well, why is your five stories versus four stories?

Well, it depends on the footprint.

We wanted to pull the footprint in because we wanted to keep all of the mature oaks and trees, which you see on the top right there.

So the top right there, those are existing trees that we've maintained, in addition to all of the planters and things that you saw on the side is that what side is that on?

This is on the south side.

So that's the pedestrian traffic that connects War Memorial to the front of our garage, going all the way south.

That sidewalk will run all the way to Federal Highway.

Which is what uh Ben just talked about.

Well, I'm looking at um, I'm looking at um G3.

I don't see them cutting down any trees.

Well, you could see our trees is are actually on the where the location is on the on the plan.

Okay.

So we we've made sure that we had to pull back all of in addition to this.

We've also burned the the whole parking garage.

So, in other words, to to make that first floor kind of disappear, uh which we thought was important to elevate the the landscaping around the garage, which we've already talked about.

Fire stations, 60 plus fire stations.

We are not the biggest fire station builder in the country.

We build a lot of fire stations locally.

We have 60 plus delivery with our team.

Recent uh experience on fire stations, um completed within as as little as actually the last month.

Uh we just completed one.

So, but let's get back to the 300 surface parking lots.

That actually went up by about $300,000.

400,000 because we received drawings from the city to show, hey, this is what we want you to give us a proposal on.

Um you can see it's a back end fire station on the bottom left.

Uh, in order to do a drive-thru fire station, we didn't want to exit the vehicles into the park onto the park road.

We wanted them to be able to exit onto the west side after come after consulting with the fire chief and the fire department.

Uh it's a one-way out.

You can only go east when you get to sunrise.

So that's why we said we can't go out that way.

Um, and again, we wanted to keep the fire station within the parking garage itself.

All the way on the left, you can see the YMCA and the connectivity between all three.

Um, again, we could talk about a lot of the questions that you've asked already.

I know Commissioner Sorenson talked specifically about water drainage.

I can tell you a lot about the water drainage because we've been dealing with it at Parker, a 55-year-old building for a long time.

But um with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Just back for a second.

Thank you.

So go back to the previous one.

I think you know, we've talked a lot about the exterior of the building and how it looks and how, but we really haven't spoken a lot about the interior of the building, how it works.

So here is a really good footprint to show you.

You can see at the top left next to where the fire station is.

That's where the valet parkers actually come into the garage.

And then you can see where the valet exits towards the south side of it, lining up right with the Parker's drop-off pickup area.

You can see on the far northeast side where the normal park patrons can enter the garage.

And then on the south side, you've got the the in and out for the parker self-parking patrons.

There's two ramps in here, so there's a very thoughtful design in all of this that's not just apparent, so that that all that traffic flow is separate when the entire garage is activated.

And I think that's really important to understand when you're when you're evaluating the design on it.

And I think uh Merrill, you may want to speak at just a second more about that.

Yeah, we were very, very thoughtful about placing the building, and I was a big proponent of how it connects with everything else that's going on on the campus, how it connects both uh from a pedestrian-friendly standpoint, so that you can physically walk from the war memorial all the way over to the holiday park and everything in between in between, and also how it integrates into the infrastructure of all these kind of iconic buildings, right?

The parkers got a legacy for many many years, as well as the war memorial and uh the holiday um YMCA is going to be really unique and really extreme, and we're really proud to be part of that team as well.

Um we wanted to make sure that the parking garage served its function, that the transitions in and out, whether you were using a valet, whether you were walking out, whether you were coming with your car or walking by it, was nice and clean and smooth.

We've all been trapped in a parking garage because of play let out and everybody's leaving at the same time.

We we did the double ramps and have multiple modes of in and out out of that parking garage for that specific reason to make sure that that flows beautifully from one to the other.

The architecture itself is helping to really make sure that it's very park-like setting, very natural elements.

We have breeze block, we have wood-like treatments as far as the screening, we have artificial plant or tur planters on it that really enhance the quite lovely uh landscape buffers that we provided in the enhanced landscaping.

We're keeping the existing and we're adding more to make sure that that experience is top-notch as people kind of traverse through it.

We want the garage to be noticed as an amenity, but not noticed as an extreme architectural statement.

It is going to blend into the landscape, and it's going to be a lovely place for you to come to park and do your do your event, do your thing, do your park.

Are you gonna would you be able to incorporate a covered pathway between the garage and the parker?

Yeah.

I mean, basically it doesn't show it here, but I mean that's we we had repositioned purposely um the elevator core and the stair core so that they came down kind of at the juncture.

Um go ahead, J Mark.

So there's our actually already a uh covered entry to the parker on the east side of the parker which we built five years ago.

So if you look, there's a pedestrian access between the handicapped parking spaces.

That would probably be the best location to do a covered walkway from there and connect them to right there.

I see.

I mean, there's always this road we're gonna have to deal with.

There's I mean that's the well you're gonna have to cross the road that runs north-south on the west side of but that's probably gonna be less traffic because that's mainly used for valet.

I see.

Well, people exiting well, yeah, people exiting after sure.

Then certainly there's traffic control and whatever okay.

All right, thank you.

Um is that conclude your remarks?

Yes.

Do you want to um there was a lot of questions with respect to maintenance, right?

Maintenance, whether how do you evaluate that?

Mark Santos with Walker Consultants, pre-eminent parking designer throughout the United States.

They do remediation, they go out and fix garages.

And and I asked Mark to come and be able to talk a little bit about what they see on uh operating costs for garages.

Hi, good evening.

Mark Santos with Walker Consultants.

Um, as Rob has mentioned, we do a lot of parking design, uh, but we also do a lot of parking restoration.

Um, and I feel like that gives us a wealth of knowledge on how to actually have uh durable parking structure.

So uh with what Rob was mentioning, uh we get involved with a lot of clients to help them provide estimate asset management plans where they have multiple facilities, and how much do I budget?

How much do I need to save of this parking garage?

Um in our experience, we've come into a range of between 200 a space a year to 400 of space a year as an annual budget for parking structure, um, you know, almost like a savings for parking structure.

Really, that depends on the type of structure, the life of structure, and as you know, as things get older and uh wear and tear, that value you know raises from the 200 to the 400.

Um, but ultimately, you know, that's very responsive and not proactive in the sense of being a parking designer for 25 years, we design parking structures uh to have limited maintenance.

Um so it really comes into proper drainage, um, you know, a lot of pedestrian safety and security.

So instead of dealing with things after the fact, we try to implement that um in the model on paper through design.

Okay.

Does that complete your presentation?

Yes.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Um questions.

Um anyone have a question of these folks.

I do, Mayor.

Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Uh, again, as I mentioned to the other proposers, thank you so much for your time and your expertise.

It's really greatly appreciated.

Just talk to me about the uh ingress.

Is it just one on a proposal into the garage?

And is that an issue?

How many are there?

Mark you or so on the south elevation, there's an ingress and an egress.

On the uh east elevation, there's also an ingress and egress, and that's how you access the two different ramps.

On the northwest corner, there is an ingress into uh the parking garage for the valets.

The idea is that the valets will park, pull up at the front, portacochet of parker.

They'll drop off their folks, the valets will jump in, they're gonna move around the building towards the west, towards the north, and wrap around and into the parking garage at the northwest corner.

They'll park on that first level for the valets, and then they'll exit out at the south uh west corner and then straight into the portacochet, right?

So that they can kind of keep that loop going as far as the valets nice and super clean, so it's very convenient for folks waiting for their car to arrive.

So there's actually two in and outs and one two one ways for the lack of a better term, right?

Because of the valet loop.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Go ahead, Commissioner.

Just to add one more thing.

So as Rob mentioned, so we do have two ramps.

Um they are opposing.

Um so the whole idea is that you have two separate tracks to get in and out of the parking facility, limiting the amount of cross traffic, speeding the flow.

I mean, it two ramps versus one, you essentially have double the capacity.

Um, but in addition, those are also the things we look to in the future.

So when you do maintain the garage, when you do have to close it down, we still have one ramp to maintain that facility from going all the way from the ground to the top floor for the future desire.

Um just wanted to point that out.

Again, that's really comes in from design all the way through restoration.

Um can I ask you a question about the um uh you had a solar component in here, right?

Yes.

And uh you took it out, but I see that as part of your design, you have covered parking on the top floor for part of it.

Um do you know offhand how much the solar component would cost if we kept the solar component?

Do you remember 2.7?

How much 2.7 million?

2.7 million, correct?

All right.

All right.

Um, anyone else have any questions?

Yeah, mayor.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Thank you for the presentation.

You all are building the YMCA Broad Health project, right?

What advantages does would this present if you're selected for the garage?

So we talked given the fact that you're doing the YMCA.

So not only the YMCA but also Parker.

So there's a lot of information that we understand about the site and how we're going to drain the site.

I know that's near and dear to us because um it does flood over there.

When you have a king tide, you have heavy rains, you have problems all out that all throughout that area.

Um the YMCA has actually we brought in all the civil engineering firms when we were building when we were designing the both the the YMCA as well as the this particular project because they know the issues relating to it.

So in lieu of doing underground retention, we can't do that.

Because what happens is that you may or may not know this, you probably do the basement areas of the parker are below grade.

So when you have a king tide, you have heavy rain, you have the the base flood is coming up.

Well, those walls never leaked before.

Okay.

After all of the infrastructure was installed underneath, you know, all around the parker, we diverted all the water on that surface underground.

So what happens is all of the water that is now underground has nowhere to go.

So it's just finding its way everywhere.

So what the Y is doing and what uh the garage is doing are wells, which is what you have to do.

You cannot do underwater just retention areas as you would normally.

So that's a huge factor because you don't know that unless you've done the two jobs that we're doing currently.

Um in addition, all of the the neighborhood associations that we met with.

I can't tell you how many meetings I went to to discuss and talk about the YMCA and and what they need to do, what we need to change, what they like, what they don't like, um, specifically rated pedestrians, pool access, how they're gonna get in and out, what's it gonna be like for noise for the area?

Um so all of those learning curves that we've learned over the past five years, there's no learning curve here for this.

Thanks.

Okay, anybody else have any questions?

Vice Mayor, Commissioner Pam, Beasley Pittman.

No.

Okay.

Great, thank you so much.

Okay, we have a couple people who've signed up to speak.

Um Roland Tapanis and uh Merrill Romanic.

Are you both both still here?

Yes.

Oh, that was you.

Okay, all right.

And then Mayor, will we have a chance to ask staff questions before we get into deliberately?

Absolutely.

Thank you.

All right is anyone wish anyone from the public wish to speak on this who's not connected with one of the um applicants?

Okay, very good.

All right, yes, um staff.

Um, don't get so comfortable, Mr.

Rogers.

You have to come back up here.

Can you come back up here?

Please push the button at the bottom of the speaker.

Thank you.

Yes, Commissioner.

Yes, thank you, Mayor.

Uh Ben, so help me understand something, because I in reading the cam, um, there's a lot of mention of of revenue.

Um, and I don't know how that would work because I've been told different things, and maybe you can help explain this.

When people purchase tickets to the Parker Playhouse or to events at War Memorial, um, are they anticipating that that is including parking?

Because right now they park in the field, they park in the surface lot.

Is there any kind of agreement with the with the performing arts center uh or the Panthers that restricts us from charging for parking?

So my understanding, and I might need some assistance from uh deputy uh city attorney Spence.

Uh I think he's knowledgeable of this.

Uh but my understanding is that the part the agreement with the Parker Playhouse uh identifies that the city will provide 600 parking spaces for their use during events, but it's silence on the fee collection and revenue generation portion.

So for what events?

So 600 spaces for all of their for the Parker events, they they uh are have uh the use of 600 parking spaces.

So there would be no charge for those folks.

It's uh it's silent in the agreement.

It does not refer if there is or is not revenue generation associated with the 600.

So we just say here 600 spaces, but then at some point in time we would have to determine if we're even able to charge, correct?

That's correct.

And we've had conversations with both the the Panthers and uh the Parker over the years about different scenarios on how we could generate revenue if it is a uh surcharge on the ticket uh for events or the ice time or for concerts.

Um we've talked about different ways that we could maybe mitigate the operational ongoing costs, but the revenue generation that we've talked about would not fulfill the debt service obligation from the capital service side.

Okay.

Um who's paying for this?

Well, the mayor just said, well, who's paying for this?

So right now our uh we're contemplating that the parking fund would be the source of revenue for this.

Uh and as such, that's why we're also recommending that we do have hourly parking or some kind of revenue uh generation from the facility to help offset the the cost.

But I know that at the last meeting we did have a discussion about that.

I I think I heard from the vice mayor and I do agree I I don't like the idea of charging fees, uh parking fees for folks that are just gonna use the park.

But then again, how would you differentiate users of the park versus people that are there?

I guess because it's at nighttime, but maybe you could use the park at night.

I don't know.

I'm just a little concerned about that aspect because I am concerned about the revenue piece here.

Um so I I guess we would have to figure all that out, correct?

Yes, I think the first thing we would do is a full parking study based off of the events, and now that the war memorial is open and the park has been going on for a few years, I think we have a more established understanding of what their event schedules would look like.

Uh we could do that to calculate what revenue generation could come solely from events.

Uh as for alley parking, I think there's a lot of tools in the toolbox.

I've seen things where the first two hours is free, the first three hours is free.

Uh we could do a resident permit, uh so you register one time and you park for X number of hours at no charge.

Uh we could do the resident rate, which is 50 percent of what the public rate is.

I've seen scenarios where the rooftop might be free, uh a little less convenient, but uh as no charge there.

So I think there's all different tools and toolbox that we could come up with uh and ways to create some revenue for this uh in in hopes to mitigate uh the capital cost.

Thank you.

I also know that at the last meeting we discussed operations and uh maintenance of of the garage, and we thought that we could handle that.

But I've heard some rumblings, and maybe you can help educate me with regards to the parking garage across from this facility right here.

Do we operate that and maintain that?

We do.

There's a triparty agreement for the for the parking garage across the street.

In addition to that, we operate the Los Oulas Garage uh and the River Walk Center Garage, and then we also manage the Bridgeside Square Garage.

So we have experience in managing the garages.

This garage across the street is a little unique uh with the uh event generation and the expectations uh that the facility has here.

And so it we're evaluating circumstances right now determine if our operating the facility is the best long term based off of what their uh their roadmap looks like.

Right.

And if you were to predict, because I have been hearing things both from this facility and elsewhere that we might actually stop operations uh and maintenance of the garage across the street from here.

We are in conversations about that right now, uh, looking at the pros and cons of that and if it uh is more advantageous for this facility and the future of the garage to be operated uh by someone else.

Okay.

So if we do give that up, you still feel confident that we would be able to operate and maintain this garage and holiday park?

I do.

I think that the triparty agreement makes it a little bit challenging for the city to operate the facility as the way we would operate.

Um we don't have total control.

Uh the DDA and both uh the Broward Center have rights and and they have their expectations of what they do.

And I have full confidence that we could operate the Holiday Park Garage just like we do the Los Holos Garage or the Riverwalk Center Garage.

Okay, thank you.

Mayor, unless people have questions for Ben.

Who?

Rufus.

He is here.

Rufus Shames.

Yes.

Good evening, Mayor.

Vice Mayor Commissioners, Rufus James, director at the FXC Airport.

Good evening, Rufus.

How are you?

Very well.

Excellent.

So we had a lot of discussion tonight about the Verdeport and these vehicles.

So you're our guy when it comes to our airport.

So I need to hear from you in terms of your opinion of the viability of what we're contemplating.

What you're thinking.

I mean, I've been reading a lot of articles, Florida Politics 2026 talking about this is the thing the governor and others in the state saying this is what we need to see in 2026.

I've been reading articles in South Florida Business Journal about everyone that's getting involved in this uh endeavor.

I want to hear from you in terms of what you see as the role that we might play as a city uh and what that would encompass, uh what that would mean for the city.

How do you see this fitting in as another piece to when folks are landing in our airport?

We know who's coming here, we know the kind of jets that are coming here.

So tell me what your thought is on this and how you actually see this working uh for our city.

Sure.

Um I'll go back historically.

Um let's see, probably back uh mid-90s, late 90s, uh we had a uh surface level uh helicopter landing area across the street from um the uh bus station, bus depot.

And so um realizing that it wasn't convenient, and it was used by uh BSO helicopters as well as um uh Wayne Heizinger and FPL occasionally and it became inconvenient because of the power lines, the trees, and then obviously the amount of activity uh that was going on with the uh bus station.

So the airport took the initiative of constructing the helistop, uh which is elevated above the uh uh parking, was it called now the uh parking garage.

Parking garage or the I know the name has changed, but Riverwalk something to the east from here.

Near the library.

Yes.

Um that came along in 2002.

Uh we were able to get that constructed.

And today we average about uh three to four operations a day.

Um and that is strictly helicopters that's using it.

Uh we've had no issues with the operation of it and so forth.

Um here we are 20 plus years later, and EVATOL, electrical vertical takeoff lift aircraft uh coming into the picture.

And as you do look across the country as well as internationally, um it is gaining traction of having more of these facilities to do the short hops or transportation of passengers to and from not just an airport, but to get into smaller cities.

Um obviously the push lately has been has come from the federal government, and I know that uh the governor, uh Florida Governor uh DeSantis uh wants Florida to be the first state that has really made an effort in growing this uh possibility of um having Eagol Verde ports at several locations in the state.

Um one of the things that come to mind as we talk about getting passengers to and from smaller towns into larger towns, um essential service uh is something that has occurred over the years.

And I guess the reason why the governor is looking to push this, especially is there are smaller towns that probably an hour, two hours away from major airports, and having a verte port will get these individuals to major airports and so forth.

Um as we look at the uh different Ebotol manufacturers that are out there in the market.

Um, you know, a few names that come to mind, Joby, Archer, um Lillium at one point, uh they're no longer in the picture.

Uh but there are some other technology companies that are at the forefront.

The investment that has been made by some of the uh um operators, if you will, um, it's not just aviation operators, but there's actually Toyota, Honda, um, even GM is uh making efforts to invest in some of these manufacturers that are creating these aircraft.

So having the Verdeport located um in an urban area is very worthwhile.

I mean, it is essential to actually grow the Ivatol program that the federal government as well as the state is looking to push.

Uh as I mentioned, we do have the Helistop, but that's just what it is a Helistop, drop-off and pickup.

With the Verdeport, you actually have a terminal, they'll provide services, you'll have parking, and so forth.

Um we look at how Flor South Florida has grown, matured, if you will, and some of the events that we're having, this will greatly benefit those type of events, such as World Cup that's coming this year.

Um Joby, I do believe is expecting to get certification this year.

Um Archer may follow shortly thereafter, and this will really be the test case, if you will, uh, if they're able to get that certification and start transporting passengers to and from uh some of these locations.

We know also with F1 uh coming to South Florida now, uh the first year, I believe there were about seven of the ten drivers are actually staying on Fort Lauderdale Beach, and there were a few of them who were interested in taking a helicopter to get to the race.

However, at the time uh the owner of the facility was not interested in having helicopters land at the facility.

They landed at North Ferry Airport and then drove to the uh um event.

But I think someone mentioned that the owner of the Panthers uh or not the Panthers, the uh uh Dolphins is actually uh joined with Archer, who's a manufacturer of uh the Evatol aircraft, and sees the potential of how that can benefit and work not just for F1 but even Dolphin Games or any other activities that they they will have at the stadium.

So, all in all, having the verte port at this location, uh from what I saw with the rendering, uh you've got six spaces that um would accommodate those aircraft, and whereas with the Helestop, we have one landing position, one parking position, and so um we came up with this concept 20 plus years ago, and here we are now looking to that next advancement where it's not motorized aircraft that generate noise, but electric aircraft that you know doesn't generate as much noise as uh the helicopters do.

So I I see it as a benefit to the city, and um uh based on what um I heard in the presentation uh to be the first in the state to have this would be uh feather in the cap.

Thank you for that.

Um has FXE contemplated any type of verteport like this as our airport?

I mean, tell me why that hasn't happened yet, or is it contemplated?

So one of the things that we have going on at FXC is the uh limited amount of or actually no land, vacant land available for uh Verteport.

However, with um Atlantic, who is uh based at FXE, uh they're an FBO tenant.

Um they are in the process of investing um almost 40 million dollars in new development, and so they've torn down older hangars to build uh larger hangars, and so they have real estate to accommodate um a uh Verdeport if it came down to that.

Now, what the airport would really be used for as it relates to these Evatol aircraft, if it is at the end of the day, um go to the airport, plug in, charge up, and get ready for the next day.

Um I would believe, and the discussion has been at locations like Verteports, it would be to have battery packs that they could change out quickly and so forth.

Um, but obviously, yeah, maintenance and those types of things would be done at FXE, not at the Verteport itself.

So that's how the airport would be tied to the whole Evatol program.

And have you spoken with folks in your industry in terms of around the country uh gauging the kind of interest in something like this, or do you see it happening in other places that you're aware of, or have you had those kinds of conversations?

Yes.

So I know that Joby, for instance, uh, they're based out of California.

Um they have gone to places like New York City, uh Manhattan Heliport, and actually demonstrated how the aircraft could uh operate, uh, not carrying paying passengers at the time, but uh officials who got a feel for what it would be like to have this in the city.

Um in speaking with uh uh some of the other manufacturers or having conversations because they did have interest in setting up at the helistop, um they are adamant that uh they want to make this work.

Um and they do believe that it will work.

Um and mainly because of the amount of congestion that is going on with roadway traffic.

Um I do believe the three US markets that typically come up in discussion is LA, New York, and Miami.

Um, but the advantage that we have probably over all of them is that we do have a helistop as a template that could be used.

Um obviously with the vertical port, as I mentioned, it does more than what the helistop does.

So that would be uh very worthwhile having that verteport.

So my original question then, in terms of the viability, you see the viability of this.

Yes, um, and uh it again from the presentation the fact that um there's uh annual rent that can be generated by the city, I believe the number was 200,000.

Um that's beneficial as well.

Um we would anticipate that um over time um that there's more that could be generated, and of course, the the the cherry on top of all of it is at the end of the lease term it belongs to the city um outright and uh they can set their rates and and so forth, um, which by then again now we're looking well into the future of um automation.

Um it it wouldn't probably require having actual pilots in the cockpit, but um they'll be self-automated.

Well, I'll let you try that first and you let me know how that goes.

Um and my last question, I really do appreciate your time and your expertise on this.

Um so I've read again, I want your opinion on this.

I've read that um, and I guess this counters the argument for some people that are making that this is something that for elite, you know, this is an elite, you know, just fun thing.

But I'm reading that the prediction is that this will cost maybe what uh Uber Black costs, like the top level uh of an Uber or a Lyft.

Do you think that's a realistic assessment?

Do you see that as reality?

That's the ultimate goal.

Um I I do believe, you know, similar to the Uber and Lyfts of the world when those came online, um, it was the case of oh, that's gonna be more expensive than your typical taxi cab.

And actually we see now that it's very popular, right?

Um so the affordability, um, perhaps not for the average person who uh would catch the train to go to Miami, but for that person where time is money um using the Uber would or Uber of disguise, if you will, uh using uh the Evetol aircraft uh as a means of getting around town, um, it would be worthwhile for them.

So you'd think it would meet a demand, there would be a demand there, and this just wouldn't be uh you know a white elephant sitting on top of a garage.

Yes, it certainly will be uh at that point where you know someone like myself and you would definitely uh consider it for moving from if it's county to county or municipality to municipality.

All right, thank you, Rufus.

I really appreciate your time and your expertise.

Thank you.

Not a problem.

Rufus, isn't it a lot more comparable to you know the helicopter on the east side of Manhattan going to JFK or the Guardia?

I mean, that was that's pretty much typically an executive class.

Yeah, well, here's one of the things that uh the this um with the Evatol aircraft, uh four to five passengers.

Um actually I should let me take that back.

Five four passengers, you pilot, right?

And what I've learned about our generation, younger generation today, it's all about the experience.

And so um most individuals who don't own an airplane, and these are young individuals, uh, but collectively you'll put money together and charter an airplane to go from here to the Bahamas, right?

And I think that's where this is going is that um you know the the average individual won't just upon themselves decide to do this, but collectively as a group, um they would.

So the the leisure of it as you refer to what my uh uh New York has with the helicopter service.

Um this will be definitely a greater um benefit as we look to transition from the uh motorized type of um uh aircraft to electric aircraft.

All right, thank thank you, Rufus.

Um, we spent a half an hour talking about verteports and not one minute talking about parking garages.

So I'm I'm hoping we can talk about parking garages tonight.

Um Commissioner, do you have any more questions?

No, I'm good, thank you, Mayor.

Okay.

Anyone else have any comments or with regard to the um the presenters tonight?

Vice Mayor.

No, my only thought is this uh I struggle with this because you know I look at Bright Line as struggling trying to be successful.

It's on the verge of bankruptcy right now, and they're a lot cheaper than what this is going to be.

So I I do have some concerns about the business model.

I like the concept.

I I like the forward-looking technology.

I like the fact that you know uh the federal and state governments are getting behind it.

But like I said, Bright Line is on the verge of defaulting on its debt.

Right, I understand that, but let's talk about parking garages.

No, uh, Verdeport is was it just respectful.

I think it's important.

That's all.

Let's talk about the you know, we have three parking garages, we have three uh presenters.

Each one has uh uh put forward uh their design uh and uh and their cost.

And so tonight we have to make a decision as to which one we want to go with.

So I'd like to entertain a conversation regarding the parking garages per se, and uh and you know how how we're gonna move forward on this because right now on the uh agenda just one moment.

Well, the the reason I bring that up, Mayor, is you know, the the thing that uh the thing that makes that particular garage as appealing as it is uh is the inclusion of the verteport.

Without the vertiport in the garage, it's not as attractive of a facility.

It's the most expensive one on there.

So the reason that for me it's appealing is it has a unique feature to it that the the other ones don't have.

So if that unique feature is not a viable one, then the garage as a whole is not an appealing prospect.

So I I do think we we can't just say we have three garages.

We don't.

We have we have a completely different aspect when we look at the holiday park parking partner structure because of the inclusion of something that the other two don't have in it.

So I I don't think we can separate that out.

That that's my only comment about that.

Mayor, I'm willing to talk about the garage if you like.

Well, that's that's what we're here to talk about.

Okay, I'm happy to talk about this.

Let's talk about the garage.

Okay, well, first of all, so let's talk about the garage.

Um this is a very significant site, not just in District 2, but for the entire city.

Holiday Park is almost like our central park in the city.

And we're building a structure that's going to be between two very historic structures, Parker Playhouse on one side, warm memorial on the other.

So actually, the structure is very important to me.

Design is very important to me.

So that's a big factor for me.

Um, and I I just think that we should consider that.

Um I understand why the holiday park parking partners garages is more expensive.

Um we heard the answers to that.

When when you use more expensive materials, when you design something that's going to be a little bit above and beyond, it's going to cost you a little bit more.

So that's the decision we need to make.

We need to decide um what kind of structure we want in this site, sandwiched between two very historic structures.

Um, do we want something a bit more generic and save some money?

Uh do we want something just a little bit boxier, save some money?

Um, or are we looking to something else?

And I think that's that's a very important factor when we look at at this garage.

Um it's been said already this evening, a garage is a garage.

We're getting a thousand spaces.

We haven't really seen a lot of interior uses or I haven't seen any renderings of the interiors.

I can't imagine that there's going to be anything, you know, so incredibly different from one to the other.

Um, but we have to decide.

We have to decide if we want an AMS station that's gonna go, you know, all the way through or back in.

These are the discussions that we should be having about the actual structure.

But for me, um design does matter.

I know that it was not part of the cam in terms of things that we should consider or part of the P3 that we should consider.

Um but then again, with regards to the structure itself, I am concerned about revenue.

I I'm having concerns about how we're going to separate who's paying, who's not paying.

Um, and um that to me is also another reason why I see only one of these as a as a true public-private partnership because of the revenue that's being generated.

The others are more of just a design build, and um those are the kinds of discussions I'm happy to have in the case.

All right, so that's what we're here for tonight, is to have that discussion and to make a decision.

So is um my question to all of you is um uh if you if you have certain things that you're looking for, whether it be cost, whether it be um design, whether it be uh potential for income, uh you know, sort those those components in your mind and let's speak to or let's make make a choice, you know.

Uh because according to R 7, there's a blank spot here, and we have to fill it in.

And so in order to be for that resolution to pass, we have to fill in w one of the one of the three presenters tonight, uh, or none for that matter.

If we decide that maybe, you know, we don't want a big hulking garage in the middle of holiday park.

That uh can we afford it?

This is thirty plus million dollars.

You know, where's the money coming from?

Um that too is a is a big question.

So you know, so look tonight we have to make a decision.

And uh you started talking about design.

Is there one one of the three that you feel has the the better design of the other two?

I I do.

Um I actually believe that the holiday park parking partners has a the best design of the three.

Um I will also tell you that I've had discussions with the presidents of Victoria Park Civic Association and the Flagler Village Civic Association.

Um they have both told me that they actually support this particular project.

Um they were very happy that this one team came to them in advance uh to gather input and then incorporate that input into the presentations that we heard this evening uh in terms of the needs in terms of their their area.

And I I will also tell you that even though this isn't the the main thrust of it, um they were both very excited about the the verteport.

They they said that their neighborhoods uh were very first intrigued by it, uh, but then excited by it, uh and they think that it would have a lot of use.

They also think that that will set Fort Lauderdale apart from almost any other place in the country right now, uh, will gather a lot of uh attention to the city.

Um and they think that again that revenue source is vital because that means that they will not have to pay every time they enter that garage uh to park.

So um I will I will share that with you that um they both told me that and they both knew uh I asked them for permission to basically relay that information.

Um and um they said yes.

Well the the the only thing the thing about that revenue source is probably years away because even as uh as the presenter was making their presentation, they didn't indicate that on day one they're going to have an activated you know rooftop.

It's gonna take several years for this to happen.

So um, well, I would like to negotiate that.

I think that city manager staff should negotiate that.

I think we should start seeing revenue almost immediately.

But there's not there's but there's but the revenue is gonna come from the use of the verteport.

And it's not gonna be used yet.

I understand that.

However, I think once we have a comprehensive agreement and once construction starts, we I think that even before they start making their own money on that site, maybe we can ask them.

I'd like to see revenue begin ASAP for the city.

Is that even doable?

But where but where would the money come from?

Well, may I ask the question?

Is that doable?

To answer the mayor's concern, I'd like to know about revenue.

Can that start almost immediately?

As soon as the parking garage is open and has a certificate of occupancy, we can lease out that top deck to verteports by Atlantic, and they can immediately begin their lease payments and uh start the use of the verteport.

How how quickly would that be?

And maybe and what if the verteport does what if that though all those approvals FAA, et cetera, et cetera take a little time.

Help me understand the timeline that we're looking at for you to actually construct this.

Uh 11 months was it?

It's 11 months.

It's 11 months.

So you're telling me in 11 months we would be able to start collecting uh revenue from the verteport?

Once what yes, once it's completed, they would be able to lease out that top deck, so there'll be some time to get the industry ready for it.

You indicated that it it's it's not it hasn't ripened yet.

But regardless of that, as I also mentioned our business plan does contemplate that although there will be lower turn of flights, we are gonna be absorbing for years uh probably some losses.

So to the question that you have, any arrangement that we would enter into, and we've done in other locations.

I said we have a leasehold in West Palm, we have a leasehold in Pocahontone, we have a leasehold in Miami.

Um with the exception of due diligence and making sure that the FAA is going to approve it and the state's gonna approve it.

Once we've cleared those and we have a deal, we start paying rent on it.

So we would be paying like any other tenant on that leasehold, regardless of the number of turns.

Do you have FAA approval on any of those other leaseholds?

We're working on those.

No, I'm not no, of course not, because we're not building them to Commissioner uh Herb's point.

We're not building them before certification, because then we will have something setting not being used.

But as we've heard today, not only by Mr.

James, but by other information we've presented, these are going to be certified by the end of this year.

So now we're playing catch-up, trying to get these ready to go, whether it's at an FBO or at our leasehold locations north and south of here to have something for them to fly from a year from now.

So do you have any uh any uh approved sites for any of the leaseholds?

No.

No.

Okay.

Do you know of anybody that does?

No, because nobody has any of this, and we're just assuming it's gonna happen.

Well, I mean it is gonna happen, but nobody's built them to let them just be there without certification.

Like I said, the first movement of that will be probably in about three to six months when this test program that the federal government has issued allows these companies, Joby and Archer, to start flying their aircraft before commercialization and before certification.

So we'll have that happening in our area because I'm I'm pretty confident that the state of Florida is going to be selected prior to any of these other sites being.

Because of the because of the eagerness of the administration in in Tallahassee, is what you're saying.

Along with the federal government, but yes, we have a very strong uh submittal to the federal government.

Okay.

Yes.

And so to answer your question, Mayor, that's it could be in 11 months that we would be starting to collect revenue.

I don't see revenue sources from the other proposers.

And so that's revenue that I don't see elsewhere.

Um and 11 months is you know, we're talking the end of this year or maybe January the latest of 2027.

Well, my big concern is being able to afford this.

That's that's the thing.

So if you're saying that you're willing to pay more money for the garage, but you see the possibility of closing that gap uh with a revenue stream that would come from the Verdeport.

I'm I'm just I'm trying to distill your thoughts into something I understand.

Well, I'm saying that yes, the five million dollar uh differential between um holiday park parking partners and park place, or the I mean I'm just talking about the garage now, or the nine million dollar differential between G3 and Holiday Park parking partners, I see us making that up because of obviously the revenue stream here and the only source of revenue.

I don't see I mean it it it will be made up in time um easily, and and I don't see the other revenue sources uh that can make up for that.

And also then again, we have the possibility of not having to charge folks uh to park to use the um the park.

So I do see us making that up.

Five million dollars, I don't see a problem making that up.

Well, let me let me ask you something else.

I mean, uh the reason why I'm asking you all these questions, because it's your district, so I'm deferring to you.

So um, so just common sense.

Is this really the best place to put a verteport and not some place uh where it's a little bit you know, less park-like and less um where kids are playing?

You know, there's the playground is right up the street, uh, right up the road over there.

Um, you know, what what is the thinking is the best place to put something like this?

Uh putting aside the technology and the novelty of it and the and the and the futuristic aspect of it.

You know, is this the best place to put this?

Well, I will tell you um when I I actually did attend the Victoria Park Civic Association when this presentation was made to them, so I was there for that entire evening.

Uh and I will tell you that that is a neighborhood that is a very young neighborhood right now.

Lots of families, lots of children.

You know it because they're complaining about not seeing the playground yet in holiday park.

So I hear it all the time, and not once did that concern ever get raised.

Well, I'm not sure.

And these are parents of many children, and again, they were all actually very excited about the prospect.

They I did not hear once anyone say maybe this is not the best place uh for this.

Well, but just just using all right, put that aside for a moment, just thinking, you know, objectively, you know, um, you know, there are there are there are townhouses right on the other side of this roadway, and you know, they're going to be subject to this uh traffic.

They're talking 30 up to 30 uh flights an hour.

I mean, this is gonna be a busy place.

So um is this the is this the kind of environment that we want to subject people who are going to the Parker, going to the Iceplex, going to the Y, um, well, I I think they all work together.

In fact, I think that that gets people to these venues.

I think it gets people from other places to this venue.

Um, and also they can leave from the venue.

Uh so it works as a round trip uh bonus.

Uh again, um all of those folks that heard the presentation and discussed it and just last night I had the discussion with the president of Victoria Park, just to be sure, and they they they really want to see that happen.

They they have not expressed that concern, and I will tell you honestly, Victoria Park and Flagler Village have gotten very used to a very busy holiday park.

We all know what's happened in Holiday Park.

Um and and right now I'm hearing just that people are really enjoying the options.

They're here, they're enjoying the choices.

Um, you know, the Panthers War Memorial has really taken off as a venue.

Folks are loving going to the Iceplex, they're loving going to the federal, they're loving going to play pickleball.

We're building more pickleball there in the next phase.

So I I just see this as a place that's already beyond your concerns.

Um your concerns might have been a little bit more, I think, valid maybe a few years ago, but well, I think we're past that point now.

I think that people have accepted it.

Uh Flagla Village is the densest part of our city uh and continuing to grow.

Um and then that growth is heading west uh along Sistron Corridor.

Um I just see again a lot of upside to this.

As I said earlier today, I am not here just to do things for today.

I think that as a commission, we owe future generations the ability to say, hey, look, this commission is forward thinking.

We're thinking about the future.

We're thinking about what's coming next, and we want to be on the cutting edge of that.

We don't want to always be reactionary, we don't always want to be behind the curve.

We want to be ahead of the curve, and we want to show folks that Fort Lauderdale is progressive, and we see what's coming, and I certainly believe that this is coming, and we're taking advantage of it, and people I think will understand that, and I think they will be supportive.

At least that's what I'm hearing from the two closest neighborhoods to this site.

So if you were being asked to introduce a resolution, would you be introducing the resolution suggesting that holiday park uh parking partners would be the selected uh choice tonight?

Yes, I would.

Are you introducing that?

If you'd like me to.

Oh, I'm sorry, Sharon.

Good evening, Mayor.

Yes.

Um in selecting this uh percentage of the case.

Do you think we have to rank them?

Yes, please.

And I think the clerk has prepared a document for you to do that.

You need to rank them.

Okay, all right.

Well, we're getting there.

It's like pulling teeth, but we're getting there.

Um does so how would you uh then rank them?

What I rank them.

Okay.

And by the way, just as the discussion we had the last time when we discussed City Hall, I think some of these items are still negotiable if we're so concerned with the cost differential.

Um maybe there is something architecturally that we can change, or maybe there is something that would be similar, but maybe a little bit less expensive.

If we are concerned about closing the gap, I think that's up to staff to negotiate um with the team and and figure that out if if indeed we want to see that price come down.

Well, there's a seven million dollar gap between between between G three and holiday park is a seven million dollar gap.

Right.

I'm just talking, I was just talking about the garage, but I see Yeah, I'm talking about the garage.

Oh, just the garage, yes, but then park places is right in between.

Okay, I understand what you're saying.

But I'm just saying that I think that's open to negotiation uh that we could do that.

So if if I if I had to rank, if that's what you're asking me, yeah, I would I would recommend Holiday Park Parking Partners number one, I would say park place garage number two and G3 development number three.

All right.

So um so how would the resolution uh uh Sherry be constructed now?

Because the the parentheses just has it for for one, right?

Correct, Mayor.

If if that is the selection, if that was the ranking that is chosen, then the number one choice becomes that.

Becomes goes in there.

Okay.

So there's a resolution now that's been introduced, uh selecting holiday park partn parking partners, say that three times, uh as number one, and that's part of the resolution with park place garages number two and G3 development number three.

Does uh someone else on the commission wish to comment on that uh ranking?

We got a vote on it, so you know I'd like to hear what other people have to say.

No comments?

Okay.

Um ranking um holiday park partners.

Um I have um G3 and park places three.

Okay.

But your holiday park parking partners is one?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Um the comments, Vice Mayor.

How are you going on this?

So I I had uh parkplaces one, holiday park is two, and G3 is three.

All right, so you and uh you and Commissioner Glassman agree on uh G3 as being three.

But you you switch Holiday Park and Park Place around with the and the reason and and just so I can explain my rationale, I I like the idea of the vertiport.

I I really do.

I think it's a very interesting concept.

Um I'm just not quite sure it's ready for prime time.

The one thing I do like about parkplace is I like the separate entrances and exits.

Um, you know, I've I've had the experience that they've talked about about trying to go to some of these events where I find it very difficult when everybody is trying to exit at the same time.

Uh I do think in terms of the fact that we have to look at this as we've got to provide 600 spaces for parker playhouse when they're having events, and we need to be mindful of that.

You know, when they have their when they have their events, they charge the ticket price is included, uh the parking is included in the ticket price that they're charging.

You know, so that's an expectation of the patrons.

They keep.

I'm sorry, which they keep.

Which they keep, right?

Yes, and and that's that's part of the that's part of the lease agreement.

You know, again, we need to be mindful of the fact that I think they paid 30 million dollars to renovate Parker Playhouse.

They made 26 million and we gave six and a half of that.

Right.

And and what do we get for it?

We didn't get part of the parking.

No, we don't get part of the parking, but we've always had this lease agreement with with uh with them that we provide them with the parking spaces.

They paid the bulk of renovating that facility, which is our facility.

Right.

So, you know, for them to charge for the parking and include that in their ticket price, I I think but the the larger issue again though, I think it's it's the it's the ingress and egress out of the parking facility.

It is the way that the fire trucks are going to circulate around the park, um, and how they get in and out of the park.

Uh I I think those things to me make the design of the garage, I think a better design in that respect.

I like the vertiport, but I think I like the design of their garage.

I think it functions better, and I think it'll work better for the patrons.

Well, you're talking about park place.

Park place, yeah.

Okay.

So all right, uh, Commissioner Sorensen, where's where are your thoughts?

Yeah, thanks, Mayor.

Um just as uh kind of corollary to City Hall.

So with City Hall, um, in terms of the cost, we heard several proposals and um selected a partner and now Raquel and the city team is engaged in negotiations with that partner.

My understanding of what is gonna happen, part of what's gonna happen in the negotiation is Raquel with city staff and you know our input is gonna identify what's the budget that we're comfortable with for city hall, and then that is gonna be communicated to the partner, and then they're gonna work to fit within those parameters.

Fit within a budget without compromising the integrity of the of the design and the components that we agree to, right?

Exactly.

So similarly, I view this um uh in in a like mind is that um Raquel is gonna identify a budget that makes the most sense from a um parking revenue standpoint, and that whoever we select is gonna work to uh to work within that budget.

So Raquel, from that standpoint, do you have in your mind a dollar amount that you're thinking of for the garage?

Thank you, Commissioner Sorensen.

So based on the proposals received, we believe that we would be able to accommodate any of these projects as proposed.

However, the G3 and Park Place Garage projects would be more in line with being more fiscally responsible in terms of how we want to approach the debt on this project or financing this project.

Great.

Thanks.

So I mean it's not entirely fair statement because there's there's an income stream, potential income stream, right?

Um and so I guess that's part of the thinking of the folks that chose holiday park as number one.

When when the commission asked us to take a look at an apples to apples comparison, we did not incorporate a vertiport in what we requested from the proposers so that we could actually have that apples to apples comparison.

Okay.

And so in looking at potential revenue streams, we're not looking at or we have not been looking at the vertiport as a revenue stream as it's a potentiality.

Uh the technology as we heard today, um, it is pretty new, and we're probably a few years out from being able to realize uh the vertiport being in operation as intended.

So we're looking at net operating income in our parking fund to determine hey, what can we afford to do in terms of um maintenance, and we're also looking at our debt capacity, uh, how much might we need to borrow in order to accommodate this project?

So we're always being mindful of the financial obligation that would come from any of the projects proposed uh whether through a P3 or otherwise, and so that is that is why the recommendation was stated as as it was.

Okay.

Um quick question, um Ben Rogers.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, Ben.

Yeah, but that's just a quick question.

Um, when you came up with the $37 million anticipated cost for this project, what components did that include?

Is that the garage, the parking lot, and the fire station?

I think it depends on the great question.

Um that was from the design criteria package back in January.

Uh give me a second, let me pull it up.

I believe it was just the parking garage, but let me confirm that.

Okay.

All right, Ben, while you're well, Ben is looking that up.

You can continue with your your thanks.

So couple questions here.

So Cody, question for you.

So if we explore the verteport option, here's this would be my interest, is I would not want the lease payment to be based on revenue from the vertiport.

Okay, correct.

Furthermore, it is not.

I would not want it based on when the FAA and other agencies permit and approve.

It's not okay.

So what I would want to basically when does the lease begin then?

I would want it based on when the certificate of occupancy is approved, the lease payments begin.

Yes, then we would just have to negotiate that with the tenant.

So I I don't want to tell you yes and not be 100% true.

We have to get the tenant to sign the agreement and doing it, and we will do that, but I have to get them to sign.

But yes, we can negotiate that to get them to be able to occupy that as soon as it's ready for them to use.

It would just be like a house.

We can't have them move in before it's completed.

Okay.

Well, that's that's a variable we can't we don't know tonight then.

That we we don't know tonight, and and in just as with the city hall, I think that we're these whether we choose lowest cost, mid-cost, or highest cost, one, these numbers are going to change.

Two, part of the movement towards a comprehensive agreement is going to allow for city staff and us to provide input as to what we would like design, not design, whatever the case may be, revenue operating models and so forth.

And during that time period, and Sherry, please correct me if I'm wrong.

During that time period, if for example, an entity comes to us and says, Hey, um, you know, what we thought we could do from a revenue standpoint we can't do, or the cost of the um pre-cast is higher than we thought it is.

At any point, Sherry, we can say, thanks for working with us, we're going in a different direction.

That's correct, Commissioner.

At any point you could um not be satisfied with the negotiations and move to the next uh next ranked uh proposer.

Great, great.

So, Mayor, I think that's and so I guess Raquel, as you think about whoever we're negotiating with, I think part of that analysis and and your budgetary comfort wouldn't would include what revenue or non revenue might be generated from that facility as you start planning for the comprehensive agreement, which would then inform the budget amount you're comfortable with.

Yes, is that fair?

That's fair and correct, and that's why we wanted to have some uh opportunity to discuss a fee structure and an opportunity to generate revenue based on utilization of the parking facilities.

So all of that would be incorporated into the considerations as we would negotiate.

Okay.

So I see the verte port option as very early stages, it's a unknown, unproven largely technology.

So because of that, what matters uh significantly to me in this consideration is the surrounding neighborhoods.

How do they feel about this possibility and the impact this could have on them?

Uh my mom lives in Victoria Park, you know.

Um so that this matters um uh call me up to me personally.

Um I'm texting her, I'm getting good feedback from mom.

Okay.

Um so Commissioner Glassman, when I hear your what Gregory Moran, what I'm hearing you saying is flag it's your district, Flagler Village, Victoria Park.

If they're ranking as a neighborhood, they're saying Holiday Park Verdeport.

That's what they both told me as recently as last evening, and I did attend those meetings, so uh at Victoria Park, but yes, I I spoke to the president of both neighborhoods as recently as last night.

Okay.

So uh that to me, my ranking would would then be uh number one holiday park parking partners, two uh park place garage, and three G3.

Okay.

So um uh Mr.

Rogers, what did you come back with?

So the presentation we did about a year ago for the design criteria package had multiple options.

The one I alluded to earlier was option one A.

It was a five-story structure with sixteen thousand square feet of office space, one thousand fifty parking spaces at a cost of thirty-seven million five hundred.

So we don't have any office space there anymore, do we?

We don't.

One of the other options from that that presentation was a four-story structure with 875 parking spaces, no office space, and that was estimated cost at 26.5 million.

But in lieu of the office space, we have a fire station now.

So if we s swap that out, it kind of comes back up to the 37.

I don't know if they're swappable, but yes.

But well, how many square feet is the uh fire station?

Uh 8,000.

Oh, just 8,000, correct.

But it's much more more dollars per square foot for a fire station than it would be for office.

So okay.

All right, you said 20 something thousand, would you say 27 million?

It was 26.5 million for the 875 parking spaces.

Okay, for small, so it would be about 30 million for a thousand.

Okay.

All right.

Gives me an idea as to what you're you were very close then.

You were very close in estimating this.

I tried my best.

Good job.

All right, so we have so right now we have three for holiday park parking partners, so that kind of that's the majority then.

Uh and two for park place as number two.

Excuse me.

You said you said you wanted park places number three?

All right.

Yes, um.

All right, so the number the number one holiday park is got the majority.

Now the question is who comes in too.

I think it's uh Mayor, you haven't weighed in yet, have you?

No, I haven't yet.

Okay, just check.

But I mean the majority is already weighed in.

So uh so it's holiday park parking partners is as the winner here, but now the question is who comes in as number two and is a tie between park place uh garages and G3 development.

Is that am I correct, Vice Mayor?

You you chose G3 development as number two?

G three is number three.

Number three.

Okay, and what did you say uh Pam is number two?

I did G2 reversal.

G three is two, yeah.

So there's a so there's a tie there.

Um I think we need to clarify the Vice Mayor's ranking.

Yeah, yeah, I Vice Mayor, I had it.

No, I'm sorry.

So so my ranking was no, I uh let me so to be clear, park place was number one, holiday park is number two, G3 was number three.

Thank you.

Right.

So what what he's saying though, as I understand it, is if Holiday Park is already number one, then Park Place is now fighting for number two, right?

So park place I think has the majority as for number two.

Because it has you.

No, you you gave it number one, right?

Yes.

You you gave number one parking.

Mayor to it.

John May I park place number two was ranked by Commissioner Sarnson and myself.

We both had them as two.

And he gave and and the the Vice Mayor, that was his number one.

That was his number one.

Correct.

So now is Commissioner Beasley Pittman's number three.

So before we go any further, mayor, uh motion to extend the meeting.

Second.

I was about to do that.

Um do I hear a second?

Second.

Okay, let's vote on that.

All in favor, say aye.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mayor, I think to 11 o'clock.

Mayor, I just I I think if sorry.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Um I think if Vice Mayor's first choice was park place.

And and that was not selected, I think then it gives weight to park place being a second rank.

Because uh the vice mayor gave it as uh as number one.

Right.

Right.

So that I would so if the vice mayor concurs with that.

That was my interpretation of it.

Yes, okay.

May I I just have a question.

Wouldn't this be easier ranking if you just told us what your ranking was?

Well, I'm just adding up May I'm just trying to figure out that strategy here.

No, the strategy is a question.

Let me make this simple.

Can you get one, two, three, and then we will have the actual numbers?

I have I have the numbers.

Okay.

I have the numbers.

Okay, well, which behind which door?

So I I will concur with Holiday Park being number one and park place number two and G three development number three.