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City Council Finance Committee Meeting on November 13, 2025

Common CouncilThursday, November 13, 2025
BodyGreen Bay, Wisconsin
SessionCommon Council
DateThursday, November 13, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:13

Recording in progress.

0:15

Yes.

1:40

Oops, sorry.

1:41

Entertain a motion to approve the agenda.

1:44

So moved.

1:46

Any discussion?

1:47

All those in favor say aye.

1:48

Aye.

1:49

Opposed.

1:50

Motion carries and attain a motion approval of the minutes from the I'm sorry.

1:54

November 4th, 2025 Finance Committee, and November 4th, 2024 personnel committee.

2:00

So moved.

2:01

Second.

2:02

All those in favor say aye.

2:04

Opposed.

2:05

Motion carries on to regular business.

2:13

Do you want me to go first or okay?

2:17

Um, so this year we tried something new.

2:21

We held an east side and a west side Alder listening session with the community.

2:25

Um I was attended the east side and Alder Hinkfist attended the west side one, so we're just gonna give a quick recap.

2:32

Um some things that were brought up um feedback were there was just some questions about the go big green bay.

2:41

Um some people felt that there was possibly some wasteful spending with pencils and notebooks or the prints, a lot of it, and as I inquired today if that was covered by the consulting firm themselves or um by us, and the response that I did receive today is we did um designate ARPA funds towards the consultant, and it did also include purchasing swag items and meeting supplies like water and cookies.

3:10

So that did come from ARPA funding to specify that.

3:15

Uh it was brought up asking about contracting garbage pickup, and when I inquired with uh Director Jussen on that, she said that it has been thought about, but typically other municipalities that have looked into it.

3:30

It the cost may have started out low, but over time those contracts continue to go up, and then it was out of our hands as far as um controlling what that price was.

3:42

So uh at this time it's recommended, and if you want to jump in at all, let me know.

3:47

But ultimately that keeping it in-house was probably most beneficial and more under our control with budget-wise.

3:55

So we did not see any benefit with that.

3:57

Um there was an inquiry about spring and fall cleanup, and we did mention on that night that um you know, with a lot of first of all, a lot of those vehicles are used for multiple things like snowplows, things like that.

4:13

So even if we were to reduce one thing, we still need the vehicles.

4:17

We still need the staff for other things.

4:18

So again, trying to cut costs with that did not seem like it would benefit the budget much.

4:25

Um another thing that was brought up was the bulk pickup.

4:31

We offer the large bulk pickup twice a year and then the four extra bags um throughout the year.

4:39

And I was actually I personally found this very interesting and very neat that the two times that we do it, it costs the city approximately 78,000.

4:50

But with the with offering that we do allow for people to put out extra added cost, and actually with that cost, we were bringing in 114,635 dollars in the year of 2024.

5:03

So we actually exceed uh revenue by offering that than what it costs us.

5:07

So I thought that was actually very neat.

5:09

And I don't know if we the idea was to offer it on demand and charge that person for that.

5:15

But again, there's still personal, there's still vehicles and I think having it readily available people are more likely to use the excess for a fee than if they had to call and pay for all of it for that trip.

5:30

And then lastly just an idea that was brought up nothing we have to take action on but an idea of a good neighbor business donation option to ultimately adopt a street or a sidewalk pay for the donate pay for it and then offer the city to market and advertise that business.

5:49

So instead of like adopt a highway with cleanup be able to specifically invest in that chunk and that they possibly benefit from so kind of like the good neighbor just the idea of a business being able to donate and get in on that.

6:03

So that was the feedback that we had we had a a good turnout and I was very excited to do it.

6:08

So Aldering Fisher oops sorry I'm going to thanks Albert the Westside one was held on October 30th right after the short term rental um was introduced.

6:25

So we spent a lot of time in there on short-term rentals, answering questions, listening um to what they had to say.

6:33

But what was really there was a husband and wife there that lived in the Lambeau area for 50 years.

6:39

And they talked about how the um how it has changed and how much they enjoy it.

6:44

Because they sit outside now and they see kids running around people having fun.

6:49

So just you know that's just a little tidbit and all of the stuff that we've heard on short-term rentals um that made made us smile.

6:57

The other thing was leak pickup um and I know Val you're you're new in this and we we have a roving or something online that tells us where everything is supposed to be so we there's a few of us that just like to have a dialogue um with you talking about leaves on the terrace not on the terrace how can we make it more efficient with how can the residents help and how can we help you with it still maintaining it.

7:25

So we'll we're definitely going to want to set up some time probably right after Christmas to talk about that.

7:30

And then um I'll talk to you more about snow plowing and um of the roads that we want to make sure that all the snow goes to the side that there's no houses on so that was some of the big things and then we there was tack talk of taxes um kind of where our assessed rate versus um actual and what that means Brian did a great job um of explaining that and that was those were the three big things anything I forgot.

8:02

I would just add you know and I think this is just the recurring theme that we've noticed the question around taxes most notably was centered around revaluation, right?

8:12

So the assumption that uh because their taxes went up everybody's went up by that amount and so I think it was a good opportunity to really sit down and explain how revaluation works and that uh that's not an equitable impact.

8:24

Um I think once we explain it I think they were much more understanding about what was happening.

8:36

Nope.

8:38

And just receive and place on file or do we need to take any action move on?

8:46

Okay.

8:47

Number two consideration of possible action on the request for the 2026 new positions and reclassifications recommendation to discuss during the individual departments and the 2026 budget approval do I have a second second okay any discussion all those in favor say aye.

9:09

Aye.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Budget Equity Analysis█████████████████████████25%
Engineering And Infrastructure███████████████15%
Personnel Matters█████████████13%
Parks and Recreation█████████████13%
Public Safety██████████10%
Procedural█████████9%
Public Engagement████4%
Technology and Innovation██2%
Miscellaneous██2%
Summary of Proceedings

City Council Finance Committee Meeting on November 13, 2025

The City Council Finance Committee convened to review the Mayor's recommended 2026 budget, departmental funding requests, and the 2030 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP). Mayor Hinkfist presented the budget overview, highlighting a 3.4% levy increase driven by shared revenue from the state, increased debt service from infrastructure investments, and a 2.5% COLA for employees. Key discussions focused on staffing vacancies in public safety, equipment replacement needs in Public Works, and funding challenges for Parks and Recreation. The committee heard extensive testimony regarding the impact of state funding reductions, leading to a consensus on increasing borrowing capacity to address critical equipment and staffing gaps.

Consent Calendar

  • Agenda Approval: The committee approved the agenda for the November 13, 2025 meeting.
  • Minutes Approval: The committee unanimously approved the minutes from the November 4, 2025 Finance Committee meeting.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Post-Meeting Comments: Alder Johnson, serving as the committee chair, emphasized that while the budget process has become more efficient, the community faces a "turning point" due to insufficient state funding. He expressed frustration with the current fiscal constraints, noting that cities must now "cut bone and muscle" rather than just cutting fat. He urged the council to continue advocating for state-level tax sharing.
  • Alder Galvin's Position: Alder Galvin expressed that the community's needs outweigh state restrictions, arguing that the city is "in a corner" regarding safety and infrastructure. He stated that the state "belittles" the city for not spending money wisely while begrudgingly providing funds, and emphasized the urgent need for a half-cent sales tax to fund essential services and equipment replacements that have been delayed for years.

Discussion Items

  • 2026 Budget Overview (Mayor's Office):

    • Mayor Hinkfist proposed a 3.4% levy increase, equating to approximately $60 on an average $250,000 home.
    • The Mayor noted a 5.4% reduction in the equalized tax rate due to significant property value increases, though assessed rates are rising.
    • To offset a $2.8 million increase in salaries, the Mayor proposed utilizing a "turnover number" assumption, acknowledging the potential pain of keeping positions open longer to realize savings.
    • The Mayor reiterated the need for a local sales tax, noting the County generates roughly $40 million annually from a half-cent tax, with the City potentially capturing $16 million.
    • New positions proposed include one Data Analyst for the Fire Department, three full-time Community Service Officers (CSOs) for the Police Department to in-source City Hall security, and the reclassification of the Deputy City Attorney to a Paralegal position.
  • Departmental Budget Reviews:

    • Administrative Services: Staff clarified a $50,000+ increase in contractual services is due to the city's revaluation costs being split over three years (2025, 2026, 2027).
    • Law Department: Discussion confirmed the reclassification of the Deputy City Attorney to a Paralegal to align positions, resulting in a slight decrease in regular salaries for the department. Legal expenses are projected to decrease as expected litigation costs for certain matters did not materialize.
    • Human Resources: Training and travel costs increased slightly for standard conferences. Recruiting expenses were higher due to three director-level vacancies but efficiency gains were noted from automated reference checking.
    • Community and Economic Development: The department will not renew the "Plugger" subscription due to cost increases, seeking affordable alternatives. Vehicle leasing for inspections and police DPW/Parks increased slightly as funds were moved from capital to the operating budget. A $10,000 line item was restored for neighborhood association mini-grants, historically funded after exhausting ARPA funds.
    • Police Department: The budget includes three new civilian CSO positions. Overtime remains a critical issue; Chief Knott explained that hiring up to 190 officers (currently 13 vacancies) is essential to address downtown safety issues without relying on excessive overtime. The department noted a 31% drop in workers' compensation costs. Leased vehicles and axle agreements (Axon) contributed to increased lease payments. State grant revenues were discussed, with the department clarifying timing differences between budgeted projections and actual receipts.
    • Fire Department: Chief Knott explained that overtime is driven by staffing factors (current staffing is below the industry norm of 1.4 people per riding position) and seasonal absences. A proposal is in development to add firefighters to offset overtime costs. A significant increase in one line item was attributed to a Line of Duty Death sustained the previous year.
    • Public Works: Director Jussen clarified that a 10.4% increase in regular salaries is an accounting shift rather than a true salary hike. A 463% increase in car allowances is a reclassification of expenses previously in the capital fund. Contractual services increased for engineering needs related to new facilities and bridges divisions. A clothing allowance was added for field employees who previously purchased their own high-visibility gear.
    • Parks, Recreation, and Forestry: Director Ditchette highlighted recurring challenges with staffing shortfalls at Bay Beach, specifically a shortage of mechanics and ride operators, exacerbated by the train project and old equipment. A new program to train younger individuals in lifeguarding is launching this winter at no cost. Leased vehicles have increased as the city moves from bonding to leasing. Future staffing needs for new facilities (Shipyard, Light Park, JBS) will be proposed for the 2027 budget.
  • Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) and Bonding:

    • Alder Johnson's Amendment: Alder Johnson moved to amend the borrowing request to include a used motor grader for $370,000. He argued that this is the highest priority for Public Works, as current plow trucks are years past their replacement date. He stated that having a machine with a deeper cutting bed will improve snow removal efficiency and safety for first responders by allowing the grader to get closer to the street rather than relying on surface plowing which leaves snow piles.
    • Alder Galvin's Amendment: Alder Galvin moved to add a $55,000 vehicle for transporting animals for the Wildlife Sanctuary and proposed adding funding for four park restrooms with electronic locks (totaling $30,000 in bonding, though staff noted locks are typically operational budget items or funded via ARPA interest). Galvin argued that the community deserves access to functional bathrooms and that the sanctuary vehicle's current rusted state provides a poor impression.
    • Debate on Borrowing: Discussion ensued regarding the city's borrowing capacity. Director Ellenbecker clarified that the city is currently borrowing above the rate of repayment, utilizing fund balance to reduce the bonded amount. Alders emphasized that the "excess capacity" for bonding is not free money and will increase the mill rate in future years.
  • Urban Design Amendment:

    • Alder Johnson's Amendment: Alder Johnson moved to amend the 2026-2030 CIP to add a future project for streetscape improvements on Adams and Washington Streets ($2.4 million estimated cost) for Year 3. He emphasized this is a planning slate, not a funding commitment, to ensure the project is not forgotten. Funding is anticipated to come from an Urban Design Tax Incremental District (TID).

Key Outcomes

  • Budget Approval: The committee approved the Mayor's 2026 budget recommendations for all departments (Common Council, Mayor's Office, Admin, IT, Law, Municipal Court, HR, CED, Police, Fire, Public Works, Parks/Frontage) with no motions to reduce funds.
  • Bonding Request Approved (as Amended): The committee approved the 2026 borrowing request as amended by Alder Johnson and Alder Galvin. The total borrowing capacity was increased to accommodate the following additions:
    • Used Motor Grader for Public Works ($370,000).
    • Wildlife Sanctuary Animal Transport Vehicle ($55,000).
  • CIP Amendment Approved: The 2026-2030 Capital Improvement Plan was approved as amended to include the $2.4 million streetscape project for Adams and Washington Streets in Year 3.
  • State Revenue Advocacy: The committee reaffirmed the Mayor and Alders' stance that the city requires increased state shared revenue or local sales tax authority to manage the rising costs of inflation, benefits, and infrastructure without placing undue burden on property taxpayers.
  • Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned after all items were processed, with members expressing appreciation for the staff's hard work and the committee's deep dive into city operations.

Meeting Transcript

Recording in progress. Yes. Oops, sorry. Entertain a motion to approve the agenda. So moved. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carries and attain a motion approval of the minutes from the I'm sorry. November 4th, 2025 Finance Committee, and November 4th, 2024 personnel committee. So moved. Second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed. Motion carries on to regular business. Do you want me to go first or okay? Um, so this year we tried something new. We held an east side and a west side Alder listening session with the community. Um I was attended the east side and Alder Hinkfist attended the west side one, so we're just gonna give a quick recap. Um some things that were brought up um feedback were there was just some questions about the go big green bay. Um some people felt that there was possibly some wasteful spending with pencils and notebooks or the prints, a lot of it, and as I inquired today if that was covered by the consulting firm themselves or um by us, and the response that I did receive today is we did um designate ARPA funds towards the consultant, and it did also include purchasing swag items and meeting supplies like water and cookies. So that did come from ARPA funding to specify that. Uh it was brought up asking about contracting garbage pickup, and when I inquired with uh Director Jussen on that, she said that it has been thought about, but typically other municipalities that have looked into it. It the cost may have started out low, but over time those contracts continue to go up, and then it was out of our hands as far as um controlling what that price was. So uh at this time it's recommended, and if you want to jump in at all, let me know. But ultimately that keeping it in-house was probably most beneficial and more under our control with budget-wise. So we did not see any benefit with that. Um there was an inquiry about spring and fall cleanup, and we did mention on that night that um you know, with a lot of first of all, a lot of those vehicles are used for multiple things like snowplows, things like that. So even if we were to reduce one thing, we still need the vehicles. We still need the staff for other things. So again, trying to cut costs with that did not seem like it would benefit the budget much. Um another thing that was brought up was the bulk pickup. We offer the large bulk pickup twice a year and then the four extra bags um throughout the year. And I was actually I personally found this very interesting and very neat that the two times that we do it, it costs the city approximately 78,000. But with the with offering that we do allow for people to put out extra added cost, and actually with that cost, we were bringing in 114,635 dollars in the year of 2024. So we actually exceed uh revenue by offering that than what it costs us. So I thought that was actually very neat. And I don't know if we the idea was to offer it on demand and charge that person for that. But again, there's still personal, there's still vehicles and I think having it readily available people are more likely to use the excess for a fee than if they had to call and pay for all of it for that trip. And then lastly just an idea that was brought up nothing we have to take action on but an idea of a good neighbor business donation option to ultimately adopt a street or a sidewalk pay for the donate pay for it and then offer the city to market and advertise that business. So instead of like adopt a highway with cleanup be able to specifically invest in that chunk and that they possibly benefit from so kind of like the good neighbor just the idea of a business being able to donate and get in on that. So that was the feedback that we had we had a a good turnout and I was very excited to do it. So Aldering Fisher oops sorry I'm going to thanks Albert the Westside one was held on October 30th right after the short term rental um was introduced. So we spent a lot of time in there on short-term rentals, answering questions, listening um to what they had to say. But what was really there was a husband and wife there that lived in the Lambeau area for 50 years. And they talked about how the um how it has changed and how much they enjoy it. Because they sit outside now and they see kids running around people having fun. So just you know that's just a little tidbit and all of the stuff that we've heard on short-term rentals um that made made us smile. The other thing was leak pickup um and I know Val you're you're new in this and we we have a roving or something online that tells us where everything is supposed to be so we there's a few of us that just like to have a dialogue um with you talking about leaves on the terrace not on the terrace how can we make it more efficient with how can the residents help and how can we help you with it still maintaining it.

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