Um, here for the February tenth meeting of the uh planning commission.

Um before we get started, um Planning Commissioner Del Negro um had something he wanted to say and do.

I just uh wanted to put forth uh maybe a moment of silence for the young man who passed away yesterday in our community and the tragic accident um happened over here off Highway One in Terrace.

Um just hope maybe the committee would like to have a moment of silence for him.

Can we take a minute, please?

And um thanks to Commissioner Delegro for bringing that up.

Um, could we start with the pledge?

Can you rise and join me, please?

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Um Bridget.

Yes.

Commissioner Reddick.

To undo this is a roll call.

Roll call.

Oh, sorry.

Oh, I'm here.

Sorry.

Yeah, sorry.

Commissioner Rems.

Here.

Commissioner's on the aggro.

Here.

Commissioner Hernandez is absent this evening.

And Chair Gorn.

I am here.

We have four commissioners present.

Okay.

Um sorry.

So our first item.

Oh, actually, we wanted to.

This is for 7 30 main.

Um our first item.

Before we get to our first item, I want to open it up to anyone who has any comment that is not on the agenda tonight.

I can open up the public comment.

Either remotely or here.

So I am not opening public comment.

We are um we're gonna start with our first agenda item.

Yes.

I'm gonna ask about minutes.

Oh, sorry.

It's okay.

Yeah.

Um motion.

Does anyone have any comment on the uh on the minutes?

I have to get this up.

Seeing none, do we get a motion?

I was present for that meeting.

I can make a motion to approve the minutes for the 27th of January meeting.

I'll second that.

And we have oh, we don't have to have a roll call because we're not um all in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Anyone opposed?

No.

No one is opposed.

I didn't mean that, yeah.

So first item.

Um I actually need to recuse myself for.

Um I am uh I don't know if you guys know, but I have a I have a podcast.

Um, and um uh it's a collaboration between the radio station in town and the newspaper.

Um Letty Mendonza Mendonza is on the board of the newspaper, and so don't really feel comfortable on this item.

So I'm gonna pass it off to uh Commissioner.

Sorry.

Um Commissioner Reddick, take over.

Cool.

If you would thanks.

I recommend Chair Gorn's podcast to people who haven't heard it.

It's always interesting.

Mr.

Scott Phillips, will you are you to give the staff report?

Yes, that's correct, Commissioner Ruddick and uh members of the planning commission.

I'm the project planner for this.

This is the uh use permit request for distilled spirits at 730 Main Street.

And uh before I uh present the item, uh just a reminder this would be a good time to disclose any ex parte communication you may have had with uh the applicant or uh you know any of the design team or anything, so seeing none, I'll move right along into background.

Now, um Hapoom Bay Baruco recently acquired the prop subject property at seven thirty main street, uh shown in green here on the aerial photograph.

This is an older aerial photograph uh during COVID times.

You can see the um in the parklets out front that were we allowed uh to to uh continue uh during the pandemic.

Scott, I'm sorry, you might give us a moment to get that on our displays, get your slides on our display.

I think it's not you, Scott.

Um we lost something here, so okay.

Sorry, yeah, if you don't mind, we're While we're uh figuring out the the screen situation, I can give some some background without the uh visuals.

Uh, I was going to say if you if you have no slides that are that are not different from the staff report, we could carry on.

Yes, this is this uh the aerial photograph is included in the staff report.

Yeah, I see that.

So uh let's see.

So just you know, a little bit of background.

The um prior to purchasing the property, the uh the several restaurant owners uh operated uh you know in in the space previously.

Uh the most recent was Sacrilege Brewery and Restaurant, and the new restaurant owner would like to uh basically do the same as the previous uh restaurant owner with the um with the added service of distilled spirits as accessory to the full meals that would be offered on site.

And um, you know, like I said, it would it would be roughly the same as the previous business, uh both beer and wine would still be offered uh as well as full meals.

Now a use permit uh is required per our zoning code uh in order for uh any business in the city to uh you know sell and uh allow for consumption on site of distilled spirits.

And uh, you know, so that's basically the reason why uh this item is in front of the planning commission this evening.

We're not gonna response.

Excellent.

Now no expansion of use or mm you know substantial modifications would take place uh to you know the restaurant itself.

Uh there is some uh minor minor remodeling that will take place as part of a tenant improvement.

Uh that uh the use permit isn't needed in order to move forward with the remodel.

So this is strictly for to allow for distilled spirits to be uh bought and consumed on site as accessory to the meals that would be uh provided.

Now the restaurant itself would be open from 11 a.m.

to uh late as 10 a 10 p.m.

And occasionally uh you know, some special events would take place uh during you know certain holidays and uh special occasions, you know, um and uh you know the the commission's normally we're bringing uh coastal development permits to you.

This is the rare case where it's just a use permit.

Uh no CDP is needed since there is no uh anticipated intensification of use.

Now uh with uh we use permits uh the pu uh noticing requirement is the same, you know, the uh 300 feet to all the surrounding property owners and posting of the site and legal notice.

Uh but the appeal period is slightly different.

It's calendar days as opposed to working days.

So 10 calendar days.

Okay, this is helpful to if you can see this on screen.

It's uh the surrounding site plan.

Uh like I mentioned exterior uh configuration would remain the same.

Uh outdoor dining would uh would be uh offered as on the existing porch and within the front of the building.

Uh similar to the previous restaurant, but uh not within the public right-of-way.

Now this slide uh shows you the uh I tried to highlight the area in which uh distilled spirits would be uh offered uh for for sale and consumption.

Uh uh highlighted in the red there.

And as conditioned, no distilled spirits would be uh sold within the public right-of-way.

So uh, you know, there were times when the previous business owner had some tables and chairs out on the sidewalk uh that uh distilled spirits would not be allowed to be sold in the public right-away.

Now a few things for the commission to consider uh, you know, our local coastal land use plan.

There are a few policies that uh you know that tried to highlight in the in the staff report and in the uh exhibit A.

Uh the findings uh were uh policy two-three two that encourage commercial uses within the heritage downtown.

This is within the heritage downtown on Main Street.

Uh also policy two-three three, which supports eating and drinking establishments, uh, you know, for a vibrant and pedestrian-oriented atmosphere downtown.

Uh, we feel you know, supporting the business owner to you know, uh open up and and you know, improve the existing building uh is a good thing, and uh certainly uh we have policy support for it.

Now, uh also land use compatibility.

Uh the property is within the commercial general land use designation, uh and it was initially it developed uh as a single-family house and uh converted to a um uh cooking school offering uh cooking classes and then open to the public on occasions.

Uh and then several restaurants have uh occupied the space since then.

We we don't anticipate any um, like I said, intensification of use compared to the previous restaurant that uh occupied the space um as a result of uh you know selling of distilled spirits, primarily because the the focus of the the business is really on the full meals and uh the food and then the uh distilled spirits would be more of an accessory use.

Now, as far as the zoning code goes, this as I touched upon earlier, the uh a use permit is required in order to allow for distilled spirit uh sales and consumption, and there are certain findings that the planning commission would need to be comfortable with, and those are identified in uh you know section 1822 uh and the the main you know just you know sort of determination that the planning commission would need to make is uh whether or not this this would be compatible with the surrounding uses.

Uh, and and you know I touched upon that in this in the staff report.

Now uh as I mentioned, uh mailers went out to the neighbors and posting of the site and legal notice.

Uh we only received one uh correspondence from a surrounding neighbor, the um uh a little bit down towards IDS and across the street.

Uh the Stark Gallery did submit a um email in support of the proposal, and I did include a copy of that with a staff report.

Besides that, we didn't receive any correspondence on this project, so uh as mentioned in the staff report, we are recommending approval.

Uh the project is categorically exempt from CEQA.

Uh we do have the applicant here this evening.

Um both of us are happy to answer any questions that the commission may have.

Thank you, Scott.

Thank you.

Um I'll ask for commissioners clarifying questions in a moment, but we do have one green card from uh Joe Laster who'd like to uh comment on this agenda item.

So Joe, if you're here, please come to the podium.

Joe.

I'll open the public hearing.

Can you hear me?

Yeah, talk close to the mic, please.

Like this?

Go ahead.

Okay, I live in the area.

I walk past there every day.

Um several times a day, so I'm I'm used to the place.

And as far as I'm concerned, it's like a two-story place.

You've got the downstairs, which is a and six stairs going up to the main entrance, the main main restaurant.

Um I'm concerned that the downstairs below the six stairs, um, would become a place where people could sit and drink.

It's 12 by 9 in size.

So you could put a table down there, and you could set alcohol down there, which I don't think is a good idea.

Because I walk along the street there and I don't want to see a crowd of guys, well, all right, men and women drinking.

And that's that's the reason I'm here.

That's it.

I just don't want anything going on downstairs.

Thank you for your comment.

Do commissioners have clarifying questions for Mr.

Phillips or the applicant.

I do.

Please.

Um the owner of this um address 730 Main Street, I understand also owns 724 Main Street right next door, or did at some point.

Do you know that's correct?

Used to be the Velvet Hippo.

The previous owner of 730 Main Street uh also uh short for a short period of time, operated the business as a tenant at 724 Main Street, which had a liquor license for distilled spirits as well.

Yeah, and to my knowledge, it never opened though.

Oh, I drank there once, so I know that at one point they had an opening.

Um we tried it out just to support the local community.

Um I guess what I'm getting at is is obviously this area has had distilled spirits available locally in the past, and that's nothing new.

Um the second question I had was um about the downstairs.

Is there a plan to have any outdoor heating or anything else like near the street near the trees that's down on that area of the cement?

Not within the public right away at this point.

So that including the sidewalk and roadway.

Uh no improvements uh other than what you see out there right now would take place.

So uh in the future, if the owner uh was interested in maybe uh developing a parklet, that would be under a separate application.

Okay.

But on the property itself, not in the public right-of-way, is there's no plans out for like for space heaters or a furnace or the type of um outdoor heating flame, open flame that there are at other breweries in the area.

Probably what I would suggest is uh to ask the applicant what his thoughts are on that.

I don't I don't see any concern with having I guess I'm not too concerned about it necessarily being there as much as noting that it is or is not part of the plan, part of it gets to you know what type of spaces is going to be on the frontage of the building.

Um I know that to the um public comment, the worry about people drinking alcohol in that space.

Well, that has a historic place where people have drank beer since the prior owner, Sacrilidge has been there.

So that's nothing new that's changed.

I've sat on that patio down on the cement area and drank beer before as well.

That's correct.

So the uh, you know, meals and uh beer and wine uh historically been so uh sold and consumed on the outdoor seating area.

The idea is that also distilled spirits would be offered there as well.

Okay.

Is there any reason why we're not talking about this use permit and signage permit at the same time where we sort of split those two things up instead of putting the same meeting?

Yes, and there's a there's a reason for that.

The uh the the the new signs that have been proposed at this point uh are less than 20 square feet and meet the sign code.

Uh in those cases, uh the signs uh can be reviewed administratively.

Great.

Okay.

So it didn't make sense to bring it to the planning commission.

Fantastic.

That's all my questions.

Thank you very much.

This permit does require planning commission approval.

Thanks.

Um, I I apologize for uh not consulting with Bridget on whether we had any other speakers waiting online.

We have none.

All right.

In that case, I'll close the public hearing.

And uh Commissioner Rams, do you have a question for our applicant or for or for Scott?

Uh just for staff, but what's the distance between the right-away line of the street and uh the stair area or the porch area where they're gonna have uh some dining or libation area?

Do you know what that distance is?

The small, large, well, I know you can get it from the plans, but yes, it's it's roughly five feet from uh basically the curb to the edge of the the lower patio area.

So there's really not a large area where you're gonna have 50 people milling around there, or maybe even 20.

Well, what do you do you have an idea how many people it can accommodate?

Probably at the most 40 within the lower um that many patio area at most.

So, all right, thank you.

I'm sorry, I'm just looking at the plans.

There's four four-tops and one sixth top.

So that's 22.

22?

Yeah, okay.

And maybe that was an overstatement than the 40, so and uh as you all were discussing a moment ago, the uh the only change in the use of that area that's proposed is the addition of distilled spirits that beer and wine, as Commissioner Del Negro points out, have been uh consumed as far as I know, peaceably there for for many years.

Did our applicant did I forget if we if you had a question specifically for our applicant?

Yeah, I'm I may have a question.

Um I will if you don't mind uh picking the mic.

Sorry, I didn't interject.

Uh I will clarify on maybe when we're talking about the the apples, and I understand it's uh, uh the difference here is that this will be a full service restaurant.

So while at Sacrage you would order the bar and be unsupervised on the patio, there will be stomp on the patio.

And so the whole area will be supervised at all times.

Uh that is likely going to be a condition from the state ABC uh anyway, but regardless, it would be a full service restaurant.

Right now I know it's it's clear, because we took out all the the benches, but plonzes will be rebuilt, it will be have a clear boundary.

There will only be one out and one in.

So alcohol congo wandering away.

It will be a supervised area.

Any other questions for me?

Well, I was hoping that there'd be something to draw people in, something warm to audio.

Sorry, that question.

Um we will probably do that to begin uh because I'm not trying to complicate my TI improvement plan.

We'll just probably do the wheeling uh ELAMS for now.

Yeah, right.

And I did appreciate hearing that the um seats and the tables that used to be underneath the tree up against the sidewalk curb are no longer gonna be utilized.

No, no interest in doing that.

Okay, that's great.

Yeah, including as well down the uh down the side towards the trash.

Any more clarifying questions from commissioners?

Well, I'm happy to begin deliberations.

I have no conflict, so I'm happy to move forward.

I'm gonna support this project.

I think it's I think it's uh a good thing, and I think we ought to just move forward with it.

But uh, can we make a motion?

Yeah, as I just wanted to say, as Mr.

Phillips pointed out, the city has explicit policies uh to encourage uh vibrant businesses like this, uh, especially on on Main Street.

So yeah, I look forward to voting for this.

So if we could have a motion regarding the resolution at hand, that'd be great.

I'm gonna make a motion uh to approve the project uh for the use permit allowing the sale of distilled spirits for the Hacking Bay Brew Company for sent to the findings in exhibit A and conditions to the approval in exhibit B.

I'll second.

Bridget, we have a roll call, please.

Yes, Commissioner Redick.

Yes.

Commissioner Rems.

Yes.

And Commissioner Ghanagro.

Yes.

Motion approved.

Thank you all.

Thank you for your time tonight.

And now back to commit to Chair Gorn.

Um, so we are moving on to our second item.

Um this is the approval of a CDP coastal development permit to replace a fence along a thousand-foot um area on the edge of Safeway and Pillar Cetos Creek.

So um, Scott, do you have this one?

Thank you, Chair Gorn.

Yeah, Scott's gonna run the presentation for me.

Okay.

Yeah, and sorry for the noise while you were speaking.

We're fine.

So, Scott, you are up.

So, this is the um strawflower shopping center fence project.

Um, and yeah, go ahead, Scott, that's fine.

And the purpose of the project is to replace an existing and very dilapidated fence between Pillar Sidos Creek and the Strawflower Shopping Center parking lot.

Um, also to inhibit movement and dumping of anthropogenic debris, and to protect the riparian area, which has been uh um pretty used and abused over the years there.

Um next slide.

So this slide shows the 1,000 feet of um chain link fence, the area that would be covered by that fence.

So the fence would run along the curb of the parking lot within five feet of that curb.

Um, and it would run from the fence that comes down off the uh Bellevue Road neighborhood all the way to the uh pedestrian bridge.

Um it would be a chain link fence and it would have a frame for the fencing to uh connect to, both vertical and horizontal members, and um the dilapidated fence would have to remain um due to the damage that would be caused by removing it.

Um so the picture on the right shows that old fence.

Um it's a little bit difficult to see, but you can see the the black horizontal um top piece in that photo.

Next slide.

Uh the other thing we're asking you to do tonight is to approve the initial study and categorical exemption for this project.

Um the initial study includes a number of avoidance and minimization measures, which are in the first section 1.4 of the study.

Um those are incorporated into the project so that um so that no mitigation is required.

It's they're minimizing impacts as they go along.

Um the biological resource evaluation is also incorporated into the initial study.

Um for the you know the riparian habitat that's there, uh the kinds of things that that are in those minimization measures are um to educate the crew on work methods that avoid disturbance.

Um they would do um a bird survey uh within 24 hours before starting.

They would also do frog and snake surveys.

Um they have uh work windows to avoid sensitive species.

They'll have an on-site biologist.

So they're taking um quite a few precautions to make sure that they don't impact the riparian area during the construction.

Next slide.

In terms of maintaining the fence, we've received this question a lot.

This we are aware that maintaining the fence is very key to this project.

They plan on contracting with a fence maintenance company, and they expect that they will be calling that person frequently and asking that person to be out there.

ASAP after there are breaks in the fence.

This is what Todd explained to me, that you know, we have some at the corp yard that is super expensive, almost impossible to cut through, and then there's a cheaper fence.

So we're going for the more secure fencing.

And then before the fences are installed, we'll also remove the encampments with some social services on hand before we install the fence.

So, next slide.

Chair Gorn was kind enough to send me some photos today.

He went out and took some photos.

These are some existing conditions out there.

People have started fires for warmth.

There's just a lot of debris and trash.

Next slide.

Some of the key findings for this project that are in the resolution are about the scenic corridor.

You will be able to see a portion of the fence from Highway One at Highway 92.

It might block some views of the riparian vegetation there, but it's also a very urban area and it is in keeping with the urban nature of the area.

Next slide.

Some of the other key findings from our LUP policies are regarding permitted uses in riparian corridors and buffers.

One of the permitted uses is to promote public safety, and in this case, the fence really addresses public safety concerns.

Those the encampments that are there are subject to flooding.

People are very much at risk.

They probably don't have the communications that you might have if you were set up in a regular home.

Next slide.

Next slide.

So our recommendation is first that we edit the resolution to remove the hold harmless agreement.

I put that in there because we have a co-applicant, the owner of the property.

And I talked to the attorneys and they said we don't need it.

So we should remove that from the resolution.

And then approve the coastal development permit to replace an existing fence by constructing an approximately 1,000 foot long chain link fence along the outer edges of the Pillar Sidos Creek Riparian Corridor and Strawflower Shopping Center parking lot.

And approve an initial study and categorical exemption per sequel guidelines.

Section 15301.

That concludes my presentation.

Thank you.

And tonight we have two people here who can answer many of your questions.

Todd Seely, our interim public works director, and uh Juliet.

Bolding, did I get that right?

And Juliette Bolding, who did um the initial study?

Okay, so I'm gonna open this up to clarifying questions first.

Um you want to just tell me what um for everyone to know what anthropogenic means.

Um so we're talking about human impacts on the area, poop.

What?

Poop.

And degree.

There's definitely poop out there if that's his question.

Uh, oh I'm sorry.

You said poop.

I thought you said boo, and I was like, you're trying to scare me.

No, I said.

Okay, yes.

Yes, and and the clear and a lot of trash.

And a lot of trash, right?

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Um, so uh Commissioner Reddick.

You're up.

Yeah, I had a couple of a couple of questions.

Um, I understand that the two to 200 to 300 feet of the existing fence will remain.

Does that mean there are stretches of the of the old fence that will be removed, or is that the entirety of the old fence?

I think uh the best way to answer that question is there's just some of it that's not there.

We don't know where it went or what the disposition is of it, it's just non-existent.

When we started this project looking at it three, four years ago, there was you know several hundred foot sections that were just not there.

So, and we didn't want to do too much exploring.

Obviously, it's it's a riparian area.

We don't want to be trampling around down there, so we didn't do too much exploring, but just visually it does not appear that there's a lot of it remaining.

And we don't know the real scope of the original project, like what the exact delineation line was of the original project, so we're kind of just guessing as to what their intent was with that.

I see that's interesting.

Mysterious and interesting.

I'm I'm happy to see that uh the investment in the fence comes with a maintenance budget.

That's important.

I it's making me wonder will there be any one person at the city or the sheriff's office who's responsible for inspecting it on a regular basis?

So I don't think it'll be one person in particular.

The most realistic path forward for that.

Uh Commissioner Ruddick would be myself and um whoever is in the public work superintendent role or even maybe like one of the lead workers, one of the senior maintenance workers.

I personally go drive behind Safeway three three times a week, sometimes four, just to get visuals.

Uh the last time um uh one of the residents uh asked me if I was hiring with the fifth of vodka in his hand, so I didn't uh offer him a job, but um, so to get back to the question, I will be the one primarily taking a look at it.

I have the relationship with the fence contractor as well.

So if there are issues that need to be fixed, I will be the one contracting with uh Lopez fence to get the work done.

So, I guess the fact that the new fence will be much closer to the road will make it easier to inspect than the old one was.

Easier to inspect, easier to replace.

Um, once we get it in, we're we're fairly confident that we're gonna be avoiding most if not all of the riparian area.

I mean, just that alone, right?

They're not having to break brush and go down and uh tear through the riparian area to get to the fence is huge and enormous, and we're grateful for the partnership with Strawflower to allow us to put the fence where it's actually gonna go.

Thank you.

Uh Commissioner Del Negro.

Um, I know there's a fire hydrant along that line.

Obviously, you're gonna have to work around it, give enough space to the fire hydrant.

That is correct.

Okay.

There's also a couple bulb outs where kind of the cement kind of goes away from it.

I went by and drove by and took a look at it today.

Um I will say that the old fence is so far back there, I didn't even see it.

I couldn't find it whether I wanted to or not.

That leads me to believe that at some point when it was installed, maybe there was less vegetation between the parking lot and the old fence, and maybe it was that growth is new.

Is there any evidence that's younger growth and I think anecdotally the evidence would be um would support that conclusion?

Just um recently we did a bit of clearing kind of along the Burger King Trail, it kind of parallels highway one.

It was significantly overgrown, and we actually were able to find some some photos of when that project was originally done when uh council member Nagingas was the public works director, so not terribly long ago, and it was night and day.

We're talking 15-20 feet, you know, that was cleared at that point when that project was installed, you know, 20 years ago.

So we're we're we're we think that the depth of that fence is probably about 20 or 30 years worth of growth, Juliet.

Do you think that's about right?

That's a good guess.

And willows grow very quickly.

Yeah.

And the other part of that is I'm assuming at some point people used to be able to walk on that side a little easier than they can now with the growth that's come all the way up to the curb.

Um obviously it's very difficult to walk to and from Safeway from that area because you are really walking mostly in the public right away.

Yeah.

Um so the goal is not to enable at least a section of public passageway off of the street while building the fence.

No, we don't want any access to that area at all.

That is the point of this fence.

Is we want to limit access completely.

But even for pedestrians to walk from highway one to Safeway along the street line, you don't want people having access.

Oh no, no, no, no.

They'll still be able to come across the footbridge and you know follow the sidewalk.

So we're not gonna we're we're not gonna limit that at all.

So that whole four-foot wide stretch of sidewalk will still be passable.

Yeah, it's still be passable.

So and all the way to the crosswalk that takes you kind of over by where like they keep the water bottles and stuff outside of the safe way.

So it'll definitely be passable commissioner.

Great.

Glad to hear that.

Um I'd like maybe a little understanding of the benefits of the chain link versus a solid fence in this situation.

I mean, I I say that because I've had been asked from the public already.

A couple people reached out and asked me, hey, you know, why are they not proposing doing a solid fence?

Like at least get on paper some of the benefits of the two of the two from public works.

And negatives from our price standpoint.

Um I assume when you're saying solid fence, you mean like uh wood fence, like a good neighbor type fence, something like that.

It would probably be cheaper initially to put like a wood, uh like an eight-foot tall redwood fence up.

Um I'm not gonna argue that point.

Um, maintenance-wise, it would be a logistical nightmare.

Uh, it's much easier to kick boards off of a of an eight-foot redwood fence than it is to go through you know anti-climb chain link fence.

Um, there's still, depending on what fence we actually land on.

Um, Leslie kind of touched on it earlier in his presentation in our presentation.

Your typical chain link fence is like a two and a quarter inch diamond.

At the corporate courtyard where we did, you know, security fencing, that's like an eighth inch or a quarter-inch diamond.

So significantly tighter, um, obviously heavier, obviously more expensive, and it's it's a pain to navigate.

We probably won't go to that extreme.

We'll probably end up somewhere like three quarter of an inch or an inch diamond.

So there's still visual that you'll be able to see the riparian area through the fence, not obviously as ideal as it is right now, but you'll still be able to visually see it.

Whereas if you put a wood fence up, you're not gonna see anything.

It's just gonna be exactly what it looks like-a barrier in place to it's it'll kind of send the same message.

And I guess the final point to that would be galvanized, hot dip galvanized fencing just lasts longer out here on the coast.

I mean, we deal with the coast air, and it is brutal and it destroys everything.

And we can expect realistically with proper maintenance of probably 25 to 30 year life on the fence if if everything's perfect.

I don't mean to lead the witness, but one of the things I was thinking possibly is that also the solid fence, homeless encampments behind the solid fence may exist a little easier up against the fence than having a see-through fence.

We'll still have that visual corridor to be able to see, or the sheriffs or the public works department will still be able to see what's going on behind the fence.

Um galvanized is hot tip galvanized would probably be our preferred method.

Instead of a black covered, I mean black is less obtuse to the eye.

It is galvanized makes you think it's a construction site more often and doesn't look as nice.

Is there any possibility of a it it there's different uh galvanized fences that don't necessarily again if we're gonna get into a tighter weave most likely, and we're not proposing like we're not proposing barbed wire or concertina wire.

I asked, they said no.

Um, but we're it'll still look somewhat appealing.

I know it's not gonna be an ideal visual, but as opposed to the black, which is basically just a powder coating.

I'm not aware of a tighter weave on that black type fence.

And part of the problem with like say the two and a quarter inch diamond is it's real easy to take a running start at it, jam your foot in there, and then you can jump right over.

Whereas you get the tighter weave, it's literally designed to be an anti-climb fence.

So and it's definitely because of the weave of it, it's so much harder to cut through that fence.

We did have a penetration at the courtyard after we put the fence in, and it was not from cutting, it was because they were able to put something up against it and jump over, but they were not able to cut through it.

So we're hopefully we're hopeful that that would be the case, especially since we're gonna be right up to the curb.

The likelihood of anyone being able to take a running stock.

I mean, if someone has a ladder, they're gonna get a ladder.

There's nothing we can do about that, but jumping over it would be almost impossible.

I would imagine they'd probably go around from another side, go around, yeah.

From the oak park side would probably be in the in the warmer months, they would just go from that side.

Okay.

Well good.

Thanks for the feedback and you're very welcome.

Kind of answers the majority of my questions.

Thank you.

Any other clarifying questions?

Commissioner Rems.

I have a few questions, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh, who owns that property?

Is that city or trust property?

The city does not own the property, lessly.

It's owned by the straw flower um shopping center owners, and I forget the name of their company.

It's a holding, it's a property management company or a holding group that that owns that property.

Okay, I know.

I know uh throughout that area that there's some trust property that's what is it, the Pacific Land Trust or something like that.

That's yeah, coast side.

I don't believe any of that land is coastside land trust.

I was just wondering if that's part of it.

Um you plan on evicting the residents within that area.

Will you be just concentrating right where the fence is or taking that all the way down to uh where the creek and the bridge is and that area too?

I don't have a good answer for that question.

I can kind of take a stab at it, but that's honestly a better question for the city manager because his team leads the the outreach on that stuff, and they lead that push on dealing with the with the homeless with homeless services and stuff like that.

I would think though, because of what we're doing here and coming to you to approve this project and CEQA and BREs and everything.

I think they would probably want to clear everything out all the way down to the creek on that side of the creek.

That would just be my guess, though.

It's just an educated guess.

Okay, I have it on good authority that there's probably one or two encampments, right?

Right there by the creek and the bridge.

There's into the I think it's trust property at at that location, but I'm not I'm not 100% sure.

Now one last question.

I noticed that you mentioned the area paralleling the trail paralleling uh coast highway.

And I noticed recently that somebody's taken down a lot of trees, but they're not cleaning that up and just kind of like hanging out.

Sawed off trees and limbs and other things all along that trail.

You can see it right from Coast Highway when I drive by it every day, and I said, you know, they haven't cleaned it up.

What's going on?

So is somebody just going out there and cutting the trees down, or are the uh is it something planned by the city or someone else?

I would have to go take a look at it, Commissioner Rems.

We did a pretty substantial project three weeks ago, four weeks ago, some something like that, where there was just some minor vegetation clearing.

Just kind of um my nephew said it looked like Mr.

Toad's Wild Ride.

If anyone remembers that we had brush overgrown on the trail, so we just focused on that.

As far as and but when that contractor demobilized, everything that they touched that day was off site.

So if there's limbs that are cut down right now, that it could either be from the Caltrans project, which they got out of there three months ago, or it could be someone down there doing the fairest stuff.

I would have to go take a look at it.

I didn't walk next to it.

I just I just see it from the coast highway, and it just looks like they're they were cut and then not moved, but they're they're actually big limbs that are above them.

Well, you could you could see that the we will definitely look into it.

There's also been a lot of PGE worked and they're exempt from our permits.

So we'll we'll take a look.

That may be an optical allusion too.

Thank you.

I don't know.

Thank you very much, Mr.

Chairman.

Um I had a couple of quick questions.

So um a thousand feet of fence.

Yes, sir.

That's a lot of feet.

It is.

And I want to ask, why isn't it more?

Because if you go down to the end there, it's you know, there's a pathway that goes to the other neighborhood, but there's also a pathway that goes to the creek.

So if you wanted to get in there, you don't have to jump over the fence.

You can just go down to the end of the fence and walk around.

And that's where most of the damage that I saw was.

What are you talking about, Chairboard?

At the um I think it's is it the Bellevue uh neighborhood?

Belleville, yeah, Belleville.

So right at that.

So it's at the at the end of this long not where the bridge is, but the other end um of this long fence, you could just walk around that fence when it gets to the end.

So this is um so the intent with that side, and I think we've actually received some questions from neighbors in that in that area.

The intent with that fence is to come up as close as humanly possible to the good neighbor fence that is exist on Belleville while still allowing access to the neighborhood, because there is that convenient breezeway.

A lot of the neighbors in that neighborhood enjoy using it.

It's quick and convenient.

They don't have to go all the way out to the highway.

So that is the intent is to butt our fence up as close to that fence as humanly possible so that no one can get through there while still allowing access to the neighborhood.

Right.

So I guess um, you know, the the house that's right at the edge there has spent a lot of time and work on that um on that little area.

It looks really nice.

It does, but but then there's the giant hedge of of what is the the Pilarcitos Creek vegetation.

So what I was wondering is why doesn't that fence continue along that vegetation?

It it actually it still would you'd still be able to get through at Belleville Boulevard and cut through and I know it's a lot safer for the residents and everything else too, so it would still keep that entryway, but it would not uh if your fence went longer, it wouldn't allow you to go around.

So I don't know if that's possible.

Well, I think I understand the question you're asking, and that would beg a different question as to who actually owns that section of dirt over there.

Cause I don't believe it's the city.

I'll I'll look it up right now.

Um I have a proposal though, which is um because we got the comment from the person in the neighborhood too who wants to maintain access.

Oh, yeah, to the shopping center, that um maybe we condition this project to do an uh additional assessment of running the fence all the way to Bellevue.

That's one idea.

Okay.

I think that I'd like you to look into it if you could.

And that'd be great.

I understand it's like a different project.

But you know, all the there was so much damage to this repairing corridor.

Um, not just the garbage and not just the the poop everywhere and not just the you know the encampments, but you know, they're cutting down trees and burning trees.

And like that's um, so the fence to me is environmental protection.

And so if you can just walk down to the end of the fence and go around and make your way back to that spot, and now you have a fence to protect you from people.

Um I don't really see what's going to stop them from doing that.

And so that was that was a that was a big concern of mine.

Um and then the other question I had was um the fixing fixing the damage that's been done.

I don't know if the city has talked about that as part of this project or as part of another project or whatever, but um I don't know um sort of, I mean, the first step would be to keep people out.

I think that is the first step.

And as far as for this project, we looked at only mitigating any potential damages that would be done by this work, and I think they're fairly minimal.

Um, so that was our main focus with this project.

We can certainly look in the future and mitigating areas.

I am confident though, based on our discussions about how fast this vegetation actually grows, that in 10 years it probably isn't gonna be an issue as long as we can keep people out there and uh people out of there and keep them from coming back in and I I don't think, I mean, I think it's a lot of work to put in a thousand feet of fence, it's gonna help a lot, particularly up by the bridge, but down at the end where all that other damage was, I don't really see that it's gonna keep people out.

So I have a that's I think if the fence went just a little bit longer, it probably would because there's a lot of trails right at that spot.

There's a there's so many.

We can definitely look at that and just so if we just go take a step back about the history of this project.

The original project that we had designed wanted to take this end of the project even further and like kind of fence all along down the BK trail that we were just talking about where we did trimming to keep people out of that riparian area too, kind of on the other side of Pillar Citos.

Um so this project has been in development for so long that the floods of 2023 showed us that that area floods, and we can't put a chain link fence up there because it can block debris, it could cause more issues.

Geomorphology, I mean, now we're talking a million-dollar fencing project, right?

Just the cost escalation on on that part alone is kind of what shrunk our scope to just focus on this area.

In all likelihood, they will probably move down to the B to the lower BK trail once this is done.

And if it becomes an issue, then we're gonna have to develop another project, and we'll be back to you guys in five years to ask for for another CDP for another project.

But we we feel strongly that we have to do this now, and we'll definitely look at extending that fence towards Belleville, but we've we feel strongly, and I know that the city manager does well as well, that we just have to get something going here.

Yeah, I would I would bet just about anything I have that the Belleville residents would appreciate that as well.

Understood, and we will definitely resource research that remains, yeah.

Okay, I have an update on my search here.

So um the fence would have to cross um private property, so we'd have to have some kind of agreement with a private property owner, um, and then would be the rest of it would be in the public right of way.

So um that's how that would happen.

I also thought that regarding your question about um uh mitigating for damage that's already been done, uh, that Juliet might be able to speak a little bit to how how quickly or not quickly we would expect that area to rehabilitate itself.

Juliet, um, okay, you have to speak into the mic.

Is it on?

Yes.

There you go.

Um, first of all, I just want to say that Hack Moon Bay does have a Pillar Citos Creek Restoration uh plan that was done by H.

D.

Harvey in 2018.

It exists.

I don't know if anything has been done with the plan, but but there is one that you could work from.

Willows regrow really quickly.

If you were to mitigate and remove the debris, it would regrow it would regrow very quickly.

Anybody else clarifying questions?

Commissioner Rems.

Mr.

Chairman, yeah.

Um question that is near and dear to me, and I'll just ask it because I have the opportunity.

When will we be concentrating on the creek itself and removing all the heavy metals?

We're talking about these are clarifying questions and about this project.

So we're going to stick to this project.

Well, I'm clarifying whether or not they're gonna go to the creek when they clean up the rest of the area before they put the fence up.

I think that was mentioned that they're gonna clean up encampments and other debris that's that's in there.

Are they gonna go to the creek or are they just gonna avoid that?

Well, I don't think we're gonna use the creek per se as the target.

What I am what I envision, and again I'm speaking a little out of school here because this is not my lane, but I'm thinking that they would target the actual debris from the encampments.

That would be the final line that they go to because these crews that are going in there, we we understand that we don't want to disturb any more riparian area, then we have to.

So find the debris, the encampments that are visible and identified, work up to that point and then work your way back out to the paved areas and try and avoid going near the creek as much as possible.

That would be how I would approach it, and I'm sure that that's how the city manager feels about it as well.

Thank you.

Um I would like to open it up.

Can I ask the Commissioner Commissioner Row?

Um on that subject, Todd.

Um is the cleanup of that debris uh something that requires special budgeting or or is that is the city already equipped with the budget to make that happen as part of this?

I don't think they would use project funds for this based on what we expect the fencing to come back in.

I know that they do have some wiggle room in the city manager's discretionary spending to typically something like this would be a two-pronged approach like using abundant grace to do some of the work and maybe a third-party disposal company to come in if there's like any hazardous stuff identified or anything like that.

But typically I think the city manager's budget could have could have could absorb those costs.

Um I would like to open this up to public comment.

Anyone in the audience or online if you have anything that you want to say?

Yeah, someone both online and then in person.

Great.

Um coming up, tell me your name.

Hi, my name is Paul Yoshida.

And uh we're the landowners that you're probably referencing here for Belleville.

Um, right on the corner there at the end of the street.

And uh we came here to see again what the scope of the project was tonight, so thank you very much.

Uh, we appreciate that something's going on with this.

Um I completely agree with the comments about the fence not being long enough, and that you know it continued to be an issue for us, particularly adjacent to our our property there where it could be easily gone in and out.

There's also the right of way we have a lot of traffic through there as well that people go to the safe way.

Um so yeah, we would we would wholeheartedly look at and agree that uh an extension of the fence would be uh great interest to the Bellville area there, that street.

So, well that's great to hear because I think I don't know how many um private residences the city is gonna have to contact, but um you're you're one of the prime spots, so great.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Um we have uh Michelle Dragoni online.

Go ahead, Michelle.

It's my first time with this interface.

Uh thanks.

Um I walk or ride a bike, I don't own a car.

So that four foot sidewalk is not enough for you know two groups of people going either way.

If there's two or three kids, there's usually a shopping cart, uh, sometimes there's a stroller as well.

And if you're just one person, you know, you kind of have to step off into the road, or as it is right now, you can step off onto the creek side of the path.

So I scott might remember this, and and Maz certainly will because it was a big problem when they put the fence in right up against the sidewalk.

It meant people only had one way to go, and that was into the street.

Uh you also have bikes that are on that sidewalk all of the time.

I usually get off my bike if I see somebody and I walk my bike, but then I have my bike and myself, it's still about two and a half feet wide.

Um there is no bike lane on that road, and most of the people in that neighborhood do not ride their bikes because if you're on that road and you want to get on the bridge, there's no ramp to get on the bridge.

You have to stop in the traffic right by Burger King, where there's a lot of people that don't know what they're doing because there's tourists on the weekend, and it's incredibly dangerous.

So my ask is allow two or three feet in the dirt, put some gray rock down, just so people can bail and walk a little bit off to the side because you really need more than four feet.

Thank you.

Thank you, Michelle.

Is there anyone else uh in the audience or online?

Now is the time to raise your hand.

Um make yourself known.

I am seeing none.

I am going to close public comment.

And we will take it back for discussion.

Uh Commissioner Reddick.

Well, I uh I appreciate the field work that you did recently, Chair Gorn, to shed light on that.

And some years ago when I used to volunteer with Coastside Land Trust to do their annual monitoring of uh properties they owned right at the creek, and and we recorded tons of of trash and garbage and and a fair amount of toxic stuff like paint.

Now the the city has undertaken pretty major cleanups since then, I'm happy to say, but but yeah, this is uh as you point out, this is probably not the solution, uh the the a solution that will solve uh every case of people uh doing illegal activities by the creek, but it sure seems like a good way to start, and uh I like I'm happy to see us having the the energy and the focus on this, and I think it'll be a big step forward to to get this done, and I I do applaud the the idea of staff and uh the the local uh property owners exploring how that fence can be effectively extended even further.

Um I'm wondering if you could also address uh Michelle Dragony's comment because I know that um going two feet farther in could be a little problematic, but maybe you could explain.

I definitely can appreciate her concerns.

Um I mean the first problem is that we don't own any of this land.

Uh like the sidewalks are are not the cities as far as I know, and um while we could theoretically look at putting uh two to three foot buffer, um that would probably not be covered by this environmental report that we have done because it would involve significant amounts of vegetation removal that we just didn't account for when we designed this project.

Um, although the project is designed to be within five feet of the of the sidewalk, so maybe you could go out a few extra feet.

And that would be a lot of that would be dependent.

I'm envisioning in my mind the stretch that Michelle is talking about, and that is the stretch kind of in between the Oak Park Bridge and the crosswalk by Safeway.

So like a a little half moon, if you will, um, of concrete, and that's where most you get a lot of families coming in from the Pillar CEDOS neighborhood going to Safeway, and you get a lot of traffic coming go going out.

Um, that area just trying to envision it in my mind.

It's conceivable.

Um, I don't think that we would be able to put like crush rock or base rock down or anything like that, but we could try and move that fence as far back as possible.

It would all be condition dependent, as we you guys mentioned earlier.

There's utilities that we have to plan around.

There's a force main, uh sewer force main out there, there's a major water main that goes underneath Pillar Cedos Creek 2 in that area.

So there's tons of infrastructure that we have to work around, and a lot of it is kind of at that high point of the half moon.

There's some some sewer infrastructure there.

Uh, the water's more in the back, so that's not a huge lift there, but we would have to assess the those site conditions when we're out there putting the fence in.

But it's it's honestly something that we can probably try and uh field engineer in when we're doing the work.

Well, and we're not talking about the whole thousand feet.

Oh no, we're talking about a very short space.

It's about a third of it if I had to guess.

Yeah, and it could really help.

I mean, I've been on that myself, and um her experience is not unusual, so thank you.

Commissioner Duneg, Chair.

Um, the benefit of also pushing that back is visibility down towards Safeway.

It is a narrow stretch, and you come around that corner from the parking lot, it is hard to see if there's somebody around the corner.

Around the corner.

I see many benefits.

Um, there is not a handicap access point at the bridge for a curb cut um that allows for entry and exit onto the street for people with a bicycle.

That is a very good point from Michelle.

Um, that I do appreciate is something we should be considering um for people with bicycles because you're not allowed to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk.

Um getting people off of the sidewalk should be the goal with a bicycle if they come across the bridge with a bike.

Um I would love to see that being an element in the future plan for trying to help people with bicycles.

And that's totally doable.

It is important to remember though that that driveway is not city-owned, and so Caltrans has a chunk kind of at the at the intersection right there.

I think they're about 20 feet off the crosswalk, and then after that it is all privately owned.

So that would be the discussion that we would need to have with straw flower to see about implementing something like that.

Yeah.

Um to the point is yeah, you're not allowed to have a bicycle and not ride on a sidewalk that is illegal.

Um, but enabling people to have pedestrian access, I do like hearing that.

I think my last piece is still about obviously the quality of what chain link looks like, and of course the galvanized.

I just wish there was some way that you could make this thing look better than just a galvanized steel fence.

Um that much of it around this business to me is still gonna look like a construction site to a degree or an industrial commercial area when you have this beautiful riparian corridor behind it.

Um is there any way that the poles can be, you know, help to make it look a little bit prettier than just galvanized steel poles, even if you can't change the link of the fence?

The poles would probably be the one non-negotiable, just because, but the poles will be behind the fence, right?

So we'll string the fence in front of the poles so you really won't see the poles.

You'll see the little finial caps on top, and that's about it.

But I mean, the good news is is that the entitlement documents just say six or eight foot fence.

So we're gonna be exploring all options when we bid this out.

Obviously, there's a finite amount of funding that we have for this project, but I want to see a bunch of adults to see like what we can get away with.

Like, what's the best bang for our buck?

How do we maximize the benefit and and per year?

You know, the beauty of this fence as well.

It'll be here for 50 to 60 years.

It'd be nice if it looks good for the community.

Yeah, absolutely.

And of course, I did hear that this is gonna have cross beams, not just vertical poles.

Is that correct?

There'll be cross beams on some of the sections.

You don't need to cross beam every the heavier the fence that you put up, if you start getting into the quarter-inch anti-climb, you you kind of have to cross beam like every other section just because of the sheer weight of the fence.

If if you don't, if you go with the smaller uh diamond mesh, then you can get away with significantly less of the.

I love hearing the smaller diamond mesh.

Obviously, I agree with you on the climb.

I remember as a kid jumping over those fences fairly easily.

Easily, right?

Yeah.

Um, same time, you know, just anything you can do to make this look prettier than just a chain link galvanized steel fence is gonna go a long way for this community.

Um you're gonna see it every day.

It is going to be very visible, yes, especially when visitors are coming into that shopping center and we're aware that I I will do my best to get something pretty up there.

So that's being said, pushing it that extra couple feet back in is gonna help let it be a little less visible.

So I do like that aspect as well.

I definitely would love to see you guys do that if you could do it.

Okay, absolutely.

Yeah, and I just I also just want to set expectations that um if we go back two feet and we have to remove a willow, that's a whole new permitting process as well.

It requires going to the regional board.

And um CDFW as well.

Yeah, so um, so that's a major consideration.

And I'll just add that the cross pieces at the bottom are raised above the soil, and it's really for letting critters through.

And also blocking people from able to push underneath, I assume.

Well, it has that benefit too.

But um, this was in response to uh early coastal commission comment.

Okay.

So I have a naive question.

Yes, sir.

Um can't you just paint it?

You could.

Um there's a few issues with that, and it probably wouldn't necessarily be a big of an issue on the install as it would be on the long-term maintenance of it.

I understand.

Because then we would have to be painting or either rattle canning in place, and um I I I would have I would get run out of town if we were out there in the riparian area with with spray paint.

Um it's conceivable.

I think that this you'd spray paint them before you put them in.

I think this definitely warrants a conversation with the fence contractor, and I think when we go to city council to present for award of this contract, we'll have a few options for them to look at based on the feedback that I'm receiving from you guys now because it's obviously an important thing, and uh I'm I'm I accept that, and let's see what we can do to make this look better for all of us.

Anyone else?

Yes, it's right in front of the pumpkin festivals weigh-in and stuff like that.

I mean, right there in that area.

I have to see some at least something that's gonna help make it look pretty.

Um, I also did have um one other issue, which is um I'm really glad that you're out there all the time and that you can monitor it.

That's great.

Um, it seems like there should be like, I don't know, what if you're sick or whatever?

Like, it seems like um like the fence contractor, the person you contract with to make the fence, um, should go out there periodically, and that should be part of the contract that once a month or once every two months, or maybe like once a week for the first you know, six months or something like that.

Um, that would make me feel a little more comfortable about um like having some um not having to just report it when it's broken.

Um I think that'd be uh ideal.

Okay, so I think it's important to when we say fence contractor, we have an amazing fence vendor that lives on the coast side, has ties to the coast side and does incredible work.

The the structure that we would envision would be like a TNM contract with them.

So we when we're done with the fencing installation, I'm gonna request that they leave me two rolls of it, right?

And when we see a break, I just call up Mr.

Lopez and say, Hey Carlos, I need you to come fix eight foot of this, go by the yard, grab the materials, and get one of your guys out there to fix it right away.

So it wouldn't necessarily be a contract where we have like a maintenance contract with them.

It would just strictly just be a TNM thing.

As far as someone looking at it, I I hear you.

I don't have time to get sick though, so but uh again, the the duties will be shared amongst all of the public work staff.

Once the fence goes in, it'll be known like hey, when you guys are grabbing a sandwich, just go take a look, make sure that everything's fine, right?

And we'll definitely be out there at least four days a week just doing a visual drive-by of the area.

Thank you very much.

Anyone want to make a motion on this one?

I'd be prepared to make a motion with the with the condition that uh that staff proactively explore opportunities to lengthen the fence as we've discussed.

The whole harmless uh agreement has to be I'm sorry, the hold harmless uh language in the has to be taken out.

Yes, okay.

So if if that if uh if you all are amenable to that, I can make that motion.

That comes with the caveat that you're committing to a smaller diamond, then like we're committing to that here for the project.

I don't see any realistic way that we go two and a quarter, so like your traditional chain link fence.

I don't see any way that that works.

So it'll be smaller than that, just for security purposes.

It just makes all the sense in the world by one's cry once, right?

I feel like staff is giving me a commitment to that, even if it's a hundred percent, the actual hundred percent.

Yeah, I just want to be clear.

So we're committing to a fence with high security, but also attractive.

Attractive as possible.

So okay.

Just want to put that in, I want to make sure that before I vote that that is an element staff is committing to, um, even if it's not in the actual motion itself.

Okay, my daughter will paint flowers on it, maybe a pumpkin.

Well, I move that we uh approve the resolution at hand to uh approving the coastal development permit and the uh categorical categorical exemption pursuant to CEQA guidelines with the conditions that the we remove the uh hold harmless language from the resolution, and that staff proactively uh explore opportunities to lengthen the the fence as much as possible on its west side, do we have a second?

Uh excuse me, Mr.

Chairman.

Would you accept uh a modification to your um motion and adjustment to include extending the fence in both directions to explore that?

I think they've made it pretty clear they can't do that for a variety of reasons to extend the fence toward um past the bridge, past the bridge, yeah, yeah.

They can't do that to clarify it goes all the way to the bridge, it's touching the bridge by the landmark there.

There's a landmark.

Yes, by the landmark.

So it probably won't touch the bridge, but again, we're gonna follow the same thing on the Belville side and get it as close butted up there as possible.

So that yeah, you the landmark is where the the termination point is.

People are going to slide between it and the bridge itself.

We're gonna try and uh secure that, and even if we have to put as like a separate pedestrian gate or just a little section of fence, we don't want people going down that way.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

I'll make a second.

Bridget, roll call, please.

Commissioner Reddick, yes, Commissioner Rems.

Yes, Commissioner Del Nagro?

Yes, Chair Gorn.

Yes, please.

Motion approved.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Right.

Thank you, folks.

Uh Leslie Lako, that brings us to you and the director's report.

All right, thank you.

I don't have a lot to report.

Um I did want to make sure that you know that the housing element has been conditionally certified.

That is my terminology.

So yes.

So HCD found it consistent with state law.

But because we are behind the proper timeline for getting our housing element certified, they immediately found us out of compliance.

Because we need to do the the uh map the zoning, the rezoning that we um committed to in the housing element that came from the LUP.

So um so we have actually that was part of the implementation plan update project.

We just sort of pulled that from the implementation plan.

We started working on it right away.

So we're already beginning to work on those on the mapping for the zoning.

Um, so uh so that's where we're at with the housing element, and I expect that we're probably about four months out at the earliest to completing the zoning mapping.

Um, I have no permits to report since the last meeting.

And um, on the 27th of February, uh we may be canceling the meeting.

We don't have any projects ready to bring before you.

So um we will keep you informed and we'll let you know if that needs to happen.

And that's it for my report.

Thank you very much.

I will turn to planning commissioners for any kind of planning commissioner communications.

Commissioner Rems.

I just like to ask a question of the director.

Uh regarding uh that new committee, has there been any plans for a meeting on that special committee?

That's a good question.

Um so we're talking about the ad hoc committee for the implementation plan update.

Um we have an RFP circulating right now.

Uh we are in the middle of that process, so actually tomorrow I have uh I host a webinar where consultants can ask me questions, and then they have until February 23rd to submit their proposals.

Um then we have um a number of weeks to interview those who we choose to interview based on their proposals and select a consultant and then execute a contract, which has to be done by council.

So we will probably start working with the consultant in April, and then we'll probably start those meetings.

Okay, thank you.

And Commissioner Redick.

I shared this with Bridget already, but I just wanted a reminder that I'm gonna be absent from the March 10 meeting.

Me too.

Okay, you are out on the 10th of March.

Well, somebody sent me to Anaheim.

Okay.

Well, that's um good to know.

We'll make well, I have note of Commissioner Reddick, so I will make note of that.

Thank you.

Commissioner Rems is gonna be at the Planning Commissioner Academy.

Um is there anyone else?

Uh do we have a motion to adjourn?

So moved, seconded.

All in favor?

Aye, and opposed.

Thank you.

We're adjourned.