The people doing unethical things.

I saw some things that I'm planning commission uh meeting to order.

We welcome to the uh November 20th, 2025 Huntington Beach Planning Commission meeting while planning commission while the planning commission welcomes public improvement and free speech, it rejects comments from anyone that are discriminatory, defamatory, or otherwise not protected speech.

Those comments will not inform or be considered by the planning commission and may cause the chair to interrupt the speaker.

Such comments will not be uh consented or otherwise adopted by the planning commission in its discussions and findings for any matter tonight.

Thank you.

All right, I'd like to call on Commissioner Goldberg to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

Please rise if you're able.

And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God.

Please be seated.

Okay, may we have a roll call?

May we have a roll call, please?

Commissioner Pellman.

Vice Chair Bush.

Here, Chair Thenis.

Here.

Commissioner Babanell.

Present.

Commissioner McGee.

Present.

Commissioner Palmer.

Present.

Commissioner Goldberg.

Present.

Okay, we have a quorum.

Okay, now is the time for uh public comments for any items that are not on the agenda.

Do we have any uh public comments?

We have no comments for anything that is not on the agenda.

Sweet.

Okay, uh next on the agenda is a uh public hearing on uh general plan amendment number two zero hyphen zero zero one zoning text amendment twenty-zero zero two tentative parcel map 21-0103 uh conditional use permit uh 1902 one and environmental assessment number two one zero zero one uh golden west and uh Garfield Commercial Project.

All right, uh planning commissioners uh please state your uh disclosure regarding this item.

I'll start on my right.

I spoke a little bit about it with uh Commissioner Bush.

I spoke to some degree with um City Council Member McKeon, and other than that, um I know that there was a request to see if I had a conflict of interest, and I do not, and that was confirmed with council.

Thank you.

I spoke with Dominic McGee and Councilman Chad Williams, and I spoke with um Mayor Pro Tem uh McKeon, I had a short conversation with Mayor Pro Tem McKeon and also a meeting with Councilman Twining.

I had a conversation with Mayor Pro Tem McKeon and with Councilman Don Kennedy, and I spoke, I don't know if it needs disclosure.

I spoke to um four anonymous residents.

Okay, and very brief conversation with uh Mayor uh Pro Tim uh McKeon as well.

Okay, um may we please have a staff report.

All right, good evening, Chair Thenis and members of the planning commission.

Let's see.

The item before you is located at 19026 Golden West Street.

It is located at the southeast corner of Golden West Street and Garfield Avenue.

The general plan land use designation is I or Industrial SP specific plan overlay, and the zoning designation is SP9, specific plan number nine, commonly known as the Holly Seacliff Specific Plan.

The project is surrounded by industrial uses to the north, south, and east, and the commercial is located, and there's a commercial shopping center across Golden West Street, and Caddy Corner to the site is residential.

So there are multiple facets to this project, and I'll quickly go over each request.

The first one is a request to amend the general plan designation from industrial to commercial neighborhood to allow the proposed commercial uses similar to the commercial center or to commercial uses that are allowed across the street.

The next portion of the request is a zoning text amendment to modify the zoning map within the specific plan to allow the uses here to go from industrial to commercial.

You can see the existing map within the specific plan and the proposed one within the specific plan.

The next part of the request, in order to support the development, a tentative parcel map is requested to consolidate the eight lots and create a 1.32 net acre site comprised of two parcels for each parcel, one for the parcel for the fuel center, and the other one for the car wash.

And you can see right here, parcel one where the fuel center will be at, and parcel two for the car wash.

And then a conditional use permit is proposed for the actual development of the site to allow for the service station comprised of two canopies at approximately 19 feet in height with uh 14 pumps, a payment kiosk, a drive-through car wash at approximately 30 feet at its highest point, with six vacuum stalls on the property that has a grade differential of more than three feet.

And these are elevations of the Ralph's canopies and a side elevation of the car wash tunnel, the highest point being 30 feet.

The final portion of the request is an addendum to the specific plans environmental impact report, which was prepared to analyze the potential environmental impacts of the proposed project.

Right here before you is a site plan of the proposed project.

Um access to the site will be taken either from Golden West with a new uh driveway, and then or from Garfield Avenue.

The site has a 15-foot landscape buffer along the street frontages, along with landscaping within the interior site uh interior setbacks of the site.

The fuel center is oriented towards the northwest corner of the site.

So here are the fuel canopies.

There's two canopies, one right here is the which is the largest one, the smaller canopy here, parking, and then again the landscape buffer that surrounds the entire site along the street frontages.

The car wash and vacuums are oriented along the south and easterly sides of the property.

Here we have the car wash tunnel and the vacuum stalls, along with an additional parking.

Here is a colored site plan that might be a little bit easier to see.

Right here, we have again our new driveway, driveway entrance from Garfield, fuel center.

It's actually comprised of two.

This is just a general kind of showing the general location of the fuel center.

But you'll see that the entrance to the car wash, you would come in through here.

There's two lanes that eventually merge to one to enter the car wash tunnel.

The most of the building will be uh kind of hidden along this side property line.

And as you exit, you can either park or use one of the vacuum stalls that are located right here, and then you can exit the site.

The project here's a has a this is a color rendering that kind of provides like a viewpoint from Golden West Street.

Here, once again, we see our landscape buffer buffer, some concrete pavers that as you enter the site.

This is just one of the smaller portions of the drive-through lane that as you enter the tunnel of the car wash.

The buildings itself provide some visual interest through a variety of design elements, the different colors and materials.

The scale, the overall scale and design, and layout of the site complement the surrounding area as well as the gray difference on the site.

This project was presented and reviewed by the design review board and recommended with approval to the planning commission with some minor modifications related to colors, materials, and landscaping.

Those conditions can be found in attachment nine of your packet.

So in analyzing the project, it was determined that the general plan amendment would extend the existing commercial neighborhood designation and the zoning text amendment to implement the land use designation proposed, would extend, excuse me, the land use designation to kind of match what's already there.

So across Golden West, we already have a CN or commercial neighborhood land use designation.

Will enable the redevelopment of a vacant and industrial site into a more compatible commercial corner with the service station and drive-through car wash.

The map to consolidate eight lots into the 1.32 net acre site complies with minimum lot size and widths and will elevate the economic viability of the property and improve the streetscape of a major intersection.

Approval of the zoning text amendment will ensure that the project is consistent with the development standards for commercial uses as outlined in the specific plan, as well as the Huntington Beach zoning and subdivision ordinance.

And finally, the proposed structures are consistent with the natural grade and the proposed heights do not result in impacts to the surrounding area.

And therefore, the project as proposed will be consistent with the overall goals and needs of the community.

Provides goods and services to them to meet regional and local needs and develop a vacant site in a manner that's compatible with the surrounding land uses.

Therefore, staff is recommending that the planning commission approve the development portion of the project based on the following that addendum number two or the addendum to the environmental impact report of the specific plan was prepared in compliance with CEQA guidelines, that it's the project is consistent with the general plan and its goals and policies, as well as consistent with surrounding area.

The project meets the requirements of the subdivision map act, and that it'll improve an existing vacant site with the commercial development that's consistent with other uses in the vicinity, and the development of a commercial use on the property would result in less impacts to nearby residences than an industrial use should the property remain as is.

The recommendations for the city council is that the right, you know, staff is recommending that planning commission recommend to the city council approval of environmental assessment number 21-001, also known as addendum number two, as adequate and complete in accordance with CEQA and forward it to City Council for adoption.

Recommend approval of the general plan amendment for their consideration, and approval of the zoning tax amendment for their consideration, as well as the final tentative parcel map and CUP with suggested findings and conditions of approval.

Staff has only received one comment from the public, which we received late this afternoon and has been included as late communication regarding signage on the site to the south of the southern property of this site.

Staff will be working with the property owner to give them guidance as to how they can adjust their sign, should the uh code allow it to kind of help modify it should they, you know, if they want to make their site their uh signage a little bit bigger.

So we'll work with them and give them guidance as to how to process that permit.

This um concludes staff's presentations.

Staff is present along with the applicant for any questions.

Thank you.

Okay, this is a point where we uh commissioners are gonna ask questions of the staff, but I would like to make a clarification before we do.

Because I saw everybody looking at the building.

And um, I want you to know that um I I think our design review um board or committee does a great job.

Um I think they are responsible for um putting together um, you know, really good-looking buildings.

I think they're they're very strong in um making sure that we have architecturally pleasing buildings, and the one you just saw on that um rendering was certainly not that, and it was it it it really it was recommended.

We we recommended to go forward to the planning commission because there were no fatal flaws with the site plan, um, and and I believe that's what we're here to talk about.

Um, the staff added a condition that prior to building permits um in order to keep the project moving along, that we they have to go back to uh the design review committee for um to to enhance and improve the elevations of the building.

We like the way the structures design.

We asked them to come back and get rid of the stucco, use use you know, really nice brick fascia, and then have the fuel station match that as well.

And the the uh applicant agreed uh to to make those changes, and so we didn't we didn't uh as a design review committee, we didn't approve the project.

We just recommended it move forward with uh the conditions that we added to the conditions of approval that they have to go through uh the design review committee um you know before they get permits, and we will make sure that that bright color is taken away that we that we make it match more of what we're seeing being built in Huntington Beach, which I think is a really good looking buildings, and I think as a city we should be very proud of what we're we're building, and this will definitely be uh something we'll be proud of.

And so I'd like to commissioners, do we have any questions?

And I'd like to start tonight on my left.

Uh thank you, Chair.

Um, no, I I went and looked at the actual site um and the on your what you're just mentioning with the uh the colors and the way the center right the commercial center right across the way is gorgeous, and the homes right on that kitty corner, you know, kind of it all kind of blends in.

So hopefully you'll be able to get the uh the uh design to kind of because that's beautiful on the other side.

So I uh anyway, so um I I the only question I saw that um I saw that late uh uh communication that came in, and and uh obviously I think that's for another day uh after they uh meet with the city and figure out what they can and can't do.

But I did seem like on a looking at the setback, you have 15 feet just as a border, and then it looks like there's even further setback of that car wash entrance.

How many feet would you say from from the sidewalk to the actual entrance where that tall 30 foot high building is?

Could you tell me approximately?

I would say it's about um more than 70 feet.

Okay, like the actual tunnel entrance.

Right, I got you.

The reason why I asked that is because I I'm thinking about the signage just to again not not necessarily about the project, but it seems as though the the signage may not be as impact as that they're concerned about knowing that it's that far back.

But anyway, no, the the project looks looks great.

It it any time you can take an industrial zoning down to commercial is a is a great step forward.

So, anyways, that that's all I have to say.

Commissioner Palmer?

Okay, um, I actually had two comments and one was about the colors of so uh otherwise I think the project looks great.

My other, and I think I've answered my own question, but I want to confirm when I looked at the um site plan, and when I looked at the renderings, it looked like there was a really generous amount of parking space.

And my concern was as much as we love to have some uh available parking um in some areas where there is available parking um on private commercial businesses, we've had problems with um basically car dwellers um there.

But when I looked again, and if you can confirm for me, it looks like the uh generous parking is only in the corridor um that you navigate after the car wash.

That's what that's what it looks like to me, but I I couldn't uh that's correct.

Okay, it's most of the parking is to service the car wash and the employees.

There will be the while the car wash has limited hours, there will be people there until about 10 p.m.

that can hopefully help avoid having um anybody use the um those parking spaces, and we can, you know, we do have the applicants here, they can probably provide a little bit more information as to how they can you know mitigate that.

Yeah, it looks like you'd have to go through the car wash to get to those spaces, it's not easily accessible and visible, so hopefully that'll deter that.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Bevman.

So just to be clear, the parking that we're talking about would be um, I guess that would be the eastern portion of the lot, right?

So parallel with Golden West.

Okay, but at kind of the far end, so not on the street.

Can you put that picture back up?

Yeah.

Right here.

It's a little shaded.

This might give you a better view.

Okay, perfect.

So it's opposite, complete opposite of Golden West.

So it's not necessarily easily accessible or visible from like the street.

And then in the color photo, I think it was maybe one at the rendering.

No, the yeah, that one.

So that one.

So the parking that we see on the far right, that's for the existing business next door, the big space.

That's correct.

That's on a separate property.

Okay, perfect.

Thank you.

Nothing further, Chair.

Okay.

Commissioner Bush.

Um I had a couple questions.

Can we, in regards to the parking, can we put a condition to place toeway signage for after hours?

No parking.

Could we set that as a condition so that if we run into that issue, we we've already mitigated it here?

That's one question.

Um and the other one was more in regards to um just out of curiosity reading into the weeds in this, how they're gonna deal with the contamination.

I know it's uh not up for our approval.

I'm just curious.

Are they removing the soil or are they remediating it some other way?

I I can handle that.

Uh Jake Worthy with the fire department.

Um so back in 2020, actually originally in 2019 they underwent rigorous soil testing for our city standard, and in about 2022, that is when they met and demonstrated compliance with our city spec.

So they did not have to physically remove any soil, um, but they went through rigorous testing, sampling and investigation on that.

So it's already complied with our city spec.

And you don't anticipate any further disturbance to that when they start grading.

So we do have language in there that says at any time during that process of further contamination is identified, they have to come to us for next steps.

Thank you.

Commissioner Pillman.

I have no questions.

It was a very thorough presentation.

Thank you.

Oh wait, I do have one question.

Just one.

Um with regards to the DRB, um, does that mean that it's gonna I was a little confused.

Is it gonna go back to them after our meeting?

And then does it come back to the planning commission?

No, ma'am.

So what would happen is prior to them submitting for building plan check, they will redesign, re- you know, update some other colors and materials, it'll go before DRB for their final uh review, and then it would go to plan check.

Okay, so the overall design site, size of the buildings, none of that would change, just some of the materials and colors would change.

So I'm just curious why that wasn't done before it came to the planning commission, so that we could see as complete a project as we could.

What was the explanation for that?

Because the overall design was not changing in terms of height, layout, it was more cosmetic.

It was thought that it could still move forward, and it would still maintain that extra review prior to um going into building plan check.

However, if there's something that you want to add more specific, you know, before this item moves forward, in order to address some of those concerns, we can do that too.

It's no, I'm just I'm just curious why it doesn't hit the planning commission before it goes to the council.

So it sounds like it's going to DRB, um planning commission back to DRB, then to the council.

Not necessarily.

So it could go to council for approval.

However, part of its conditions of approval will require it to still go to DRB prior to submitting for a building plan check for building permits, and so be like as I mentioned, it's because the changes were pretty minor in an effort to keep it moving because nothing was changing in terms of the layout high intensity, it was thought that it could still move forward with those minor changes.

Okay.

Thank you.

And Commissioner McGee.

I actually really like this plan.

Um, there was one thing I didn't do due diligence on.

Well, it's probably many things I didn't do due diligence on, but uh one particularly was the uh well abandonment plan.

Um has that been independently independently verified by the city, or we're relying on the applicant's consultants.

So hi again.

Um so our city spec for well abandonment um has options and essentially the way they've configured the layout of their structures, they don't need to touch or reabandon their wells because of setbacks.

So on a couple of the uh plans that Joanna had up on the screen, um, there's actually like a rig footprint diagram that's put on there, and that's just to show that we have future access if there is issues with that well in the future, uh, or if the state came in and said, hey, there's an issue, we got to get a rig out there and fix it.

We don't have to demo structures to get to it.

So they've designed this site to meet our option of what we call unobstructed access.

So wow, I that's great.

That's a great idea.

We we actually can get approved in LA County for leave the well uh unabandoned and you just make it clear the building, and nobody ever thinks about the rigging that they would have to erect and and uh and the anchor pads they would need to actually pull the well.

That's very very clever requirement.

Thank you.

Okay, uh, there's no further questions.

Um then um we will uh open the uh public hearing.

Do we have any speakers?

We have three of you signed up to speak.

Please come down to the microphones and line up behind each one of them.

We have Vance Shannon, Eric Fitzer, and Kernid Pickens.

Go ahead.

Hi, uh Eric Fitzer of 5240 uh North 16th Street, Phoenix, Arizona.

Um so um I represent uh sustainability engineering group.

We are the engineers and uh handling a lot of the entitlement on this project.

I just want to thank the the chair and the commission for uh hearing this.

I think staff did a great job uh presenting the overall uh project.

Um happy to if there's any other further questions and so forth.

I think the the commission had some great questions that staff was able to answer.

Um but overall we're really excited about moving this project forward and developing the site.

Um, with that, you know, that that contains uh my my comments at this point.

Thank you very much.

Anyone have any questions for the applicant?

You got a comment, just like just like to make a comment on the uh project considering what it looks like.

It's it's beautiful, it's very well well done.

City of Huntington Beach is only going to be um at an advantage having that project there.

It's really really well done.

I just wanted to thank you.

And thank you to the commission and staff.

Um, we're very very closely, and we're looking forward to bringing back the the elevations.

Um again, I'm more on the Ralph side of the the development.

So we will definitely be coordinating, and me and me and um the next speaker have been talking about how we can make sure those elevations correspond with each other.

Thank you very much.

All right, I have a comment, question.

Um I too really really like this project, so thank you.

But I did want you to uh speak, and you you said Ralph's, but could you uh give us a sentence or two about um the tenant on this?

Um so I I represent more or less Ralph's and then Quick Quack is represented by Vance, who uh is speaking uh next.

Um but overall um you know Ralph's is very excited to uh do this project.

You know, we're across the street, um, and we're looking at bringing in this fuel center to help bolster um the the project there as well.

Thank you.

All right.

Oh, we got another question.

Just just a quick question.

I I did a little research on the Ralph's gas stations.

How many are there in Southern California?

Do you know?

I'm sorry.

So I apologize.

I couldn't tell you off of hand.

Um, so my my company handles Ralph's, we also handle a lot of the fuel centers in uh Arizona as well.

Um I could definitely get back to you on that.

I'm happy to do so.

I understand.

Uh probably not a question that you expected to be asked.

So no, but um I I definitely can get that to its staff, and I'm happy to answer that.

I'm sure I could figure it out on my own, so thank you though.

Thank you, sir.

Any more questions for uh fuel applicant?

Okay, uh next speaker, please.

Good evening, commissioners.

My name is Vance Shannon.

I represent Quick Quack Car Wash.

Um, I have a short three minute video that I would love for you to see.

It really describes who we are and how we operate.

Since 2004, Quick Quack Car Wash has been one of the largest and fastest growing car wash platforms in the United States.

Quick Quack is a founder led 100% express exterior car wash model, disrupting the car wash industry with a vision to be fast, clean, and loved everywhere.

Quick service.

Our team members are not only friendly, but skilled at getting customers through quickly, with average transaction times under 30 seconds from checking the customer in, evaluating their need for a membership, and completing the membership enrollment or transaction.

We are fast.

With each location designed for both high quality and high volume, the lines move quickly.

When a customer enters our showroom, the car will be cleaned, shined, and dried in under three minutes.

Clean.

When your car shines on the outside, we smile on the inside.

Clean car guarantee.

If you're not 100% satisfied, we'll rewash your car on the spot.

Inside and out, free vacuums at most locations, and dash wipes help give luster to your cars inside too.

Tidy team members and locations.

Not only are our locations a source of pride, ensuring a bright, clean and comfortable environment.

Our team members present themselves in a clean and tidy way.

Each customer is greeted with a smile, clean white shirt and tie, allowing everyone to feel welcomed, clean and green.

We take pride in being environmentally friendly by conserving and recycling the water we use to wash our car.

Loved.

You love your car.

We love helping you look good and making our communities better.

Customer love.

Everyone loves our adorable mascot, Quackles.

Our customers also love our unlimited car wash memberships and free vacuums.

Team member love.

We invest in the dreams of our team members and teach them life and leadership skills to help them learn and grow surrounded by a strong culture of smart, kind, and driven people and values.

Community love.

We partner with schools, community groups, and charitable organizations with creative sponsorships and fundraisers, including more than 330 special fundraisers over the past five years.

Everywhere.

Thank you for letting me play that.

Um there's a couple things I wanted to address, and then I'll answer any questions that you might have.

Um, as far as the parking that you mentioned and putting signs up that would prevent people from parking there or being towed away if they were, we're happy to um accept that condition if that's something we can do.

And then uh with regard to the design, we are very proud of our brand.

We have 34 10 stores now, I think.

It grows every day, it seems.

Um, we're working very hard and are close to coming up with a new design that is more congruent and fits in more with your city.

Um, so that that will be done shortly, and we'll have that back to the design committee.

Yeah, go ahead.

How many how many people approximately will you employ in this uh cow wash?

Typically, we have about 18, 15 to 18 people employed at any one of our stores.

Usually there's two to three on staff at any one time, sometimes four, depending on how busy the store is.

Good job.

Any other questions?

Is the mascot there all the time?

Not all the time.

Sometimes they're at the King's Games in Sacramento, um, but the mascots are big.

We are kind of a whimsical fun.

It's uh, you know, I think kids bring their parents to the car wash more than the parents go just for themselves.

Um, I know I did with my daughter for many years.

Um, but we will come up with a design that's more sophisticated and it fits better with the with the community and and uh Huntington Beach.

Yeah, well, regardless, it's more um it's more aesthetically pleasing than what's there right now.

So good job.

It's gonna be a great project.

And the reason I say that is because usually a fuel stations associated with a less quality car wash.

Um they really don't do a good job.

We focus solely on washing cars.

Um we're the fourth largest car wash in the nation.

And so when you couple that together with the gas station, I think it really provides a really good service for folks.

Commissioner Gold.

Yeah, I just was gonna make a comment that after seeing the duck, I now understand why the ugly colors were involved in the original design.

But if you're gonna go ahead and redesign, I'll just throw it out there that you know, maybe have the duck carry a surfboard might be more appropriate for hind to beach.

It's just suggestion, very good.

Such a home.

Anybody uh we're making that a condition.

Yes, I would make one more comment, and I appreciate the comments that you made uh um Commissioner Bush and and Mr.

McGee.

That we really do appreciate that.

We really do love our brand.

You talked about employment.

Our chief development officer for the company started working in a store.

He was the manager of a store, and now he's the chief development officer.

So we definitely promote within.

Um it's a great company to work for.

Um they really take care of their people.

All right, any other questions?

Okay, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Uh next speaker.

Last call for Credit Pickens.

All right.

Nope.

No more speakers.

Oh, yes, we do.

Go ahead.

Salutations, CPC, Municipal, Crinted Pickens, Northwest Huntington Beach, California.

On an administrative note regarding this meeting, I am requesting that doors and windows be opened for plentiful oxygen into this meeting structure.

It is difficult to breathe and stuffy and this in this building.

Therefore, there is not enough oxygen in this meeting building, and I denounce this.

I am in opposition and request a denial of item 25.

Golden West and Garfield.

I reject building on dirt lots.

In addition, the city has made it clear that they don't want single story development.

It is a waste of space, and this project is a significant environmental impact.

This project is a part of the plan of the destruction of the wetlands and agricultural reclamation.

The site company is known to have a wasteful racist club card, racially supremacist employees, food poisoning, dangerous and fraudulent products, a dangerous scanning system, and a year-long food, year-long food shortages.

I am requesting that the number of lights be reduced on this project, the amount of light pollution on this project is nonsense.

I denounce all of this.

One can see too much that there's too much lighting on this on these structures.

I request this to stop.

This is a corrupt project.

In conclusion, I request that light shields be placed over the parking lot lights to prevent the light from disintegrating the night celestial object atmosphere.

And I request a denial.

I thank the CPC for any consideration.

Thank you.

We have no further speakers.

Okay.

Okay, we'll start again on my left tonight.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, well, yeah, it sounds like they're willing to put the signs up for the no-parking towing.

That's the only thing I think we that's the only thing I need to see added.

Uh everything else looks great.

I appreciate that it's gonna go back to design.

I'm sure the colors will be great when it's all said and done.

Let's let them move the project forward.

So I'm whenever you the rest of the commission's ready, we'll just call the question.

Thank you.

All right.

Commissioner uh Palmer.

Um, regarding the recent comments, I think that the um EIR and the CEQA will cover any concerns we have about the environment.

Everything else on the project looks good.

Good luck on the design board, uh, re-review.

Yep.

Um I think it's gonna significantly uh enhance that corner, in my opinion.

Um, you know, I I like the project and I don't really have any concerns at all with it.

So, yeah, the only thing we in regards to the lighting issue that the gentleman talked about, those are dealt with through the zoning anyhow, so those issues will be mitigated, even if the celestial gods see it.

Yeah, all right, Commissioner Pellman.

I like the project.

I think it's going to enhance that area of Huntington Beach, and it's it's very well designed, and thank you.

Thank you very much.

Commissioner McGee.

I love the project.

Um I don't care if it's stucco or if there's uh stone cladding on it.

I think it's uh I think it's far better than it is right now.

And um I just like it.

I like the fact that we're investing in fossil fuels also, and um good job.

Yeah, I um I am proud of the design review committee.

They are actually doing a good job in this city.

Um I I I see branded type buildings in the city all the time, and they do look better here.

Um I think um we're doing a great job elevating the uh you know the appearance.

Uh Commissioner Pellman, we I am here.

One of my goals is to try to help move things along to help improve businesses in Huntington Beach, and I felt that I could uh trust the uh design review committee to uh in fact they gave the uh applicant an example of uh a recently constructed structure that they would like to them to emulate, so um I I believe at the end of the day before construction um we will uh you know we will um have a really good looking building that that'll fit what we're trying to do here in the city.

Okay, are there uh any more comments?

Do we have a motion?

Um, do we have four motions or one motion?

I would like to make one motion.

Do we need to make four separate ones or just one?

No, it can be one motion.

Yeah, we'll make one motion to approve all one item, yeah.

One item, so all right.

I'll second then.

The motion.

With the modification.

With the modification of the signage for the parking, the parking, the toll uh can be towed if they're overnight and what have you.

Second.

Okay.

May we please have a vote?

We have all eyes.

Motion carries.

Wow, a clean sweep.

Haven't had one of those in a while.

The planning commissions action.

The planning commissions action on the general plan amendment, zoning text amendment, and environmental assessment is a recommendation, and will be submitted to the city council for final action.

The planning commission's action on the tentative parcel map and conditional use permit is final unless an appeal is filed to the city council within 10 calendar days.

An appeal must include the reasons for the appeal and the fee or shall be filed with the city clerk's office within 10 days.

Okay, next on the agenda is the consent calendar.

Um we have to approve some minutes.

Is there a motion to approve the minutes as submitted?

Yes, motion approved as submitted.

Okay.

Second.

May we have a vote, please?

Are we motioning for both minutes both sets?

Well, if we can.

Yeah, if we can.

Actually, I wasn't present.

Uh I was adding to the world's largest second and third place trophy cabinet.

So yeah, if one of you wasn't present, then I would vote on them separate.

Okay, well, we bet we better do the August motion.

Oh, sorry, it was Goldberg and who seconded?

No, Goldberg made the motion, and we had Bush second.

Thank you.

So the first is for the August minutes, right?

Yes, August 5th.

Yeah, and I can vote on that one.

Okay.

So long ago, I can't remember if I was here.

I'm getting old.

And then we need a motion and a second for the October uh we need um Commissioner Babanau to vote, and then we can okay.

We have six ayes, and Commissioner Pellman, uh voting no.

Correct.

Okay.

Uh motion carries.

Okay, now we need a motion for the October minutes and a second.

Make a motion to approve it.

Second.

We have a vote, please.

But that's okay.

We have six ayes.

Chair Thenis abstaining.

Motion carries.

Okay.

Um next on the agenda is uh planning items.

Um can we have uh staff?

Can we please have a report?

Yes, so we will be sending a a notice of cancellation for the November 25th planning commission meeting that's next week, and then we currently have one item tentatively scheduled for the December 9th planning commission meeting, and it's an appeal of a three-story home in the harbor.

Well, I'm going to comment on that.

Okay, uh, before uh we close for the evening planning commissioners.

I'm sorry, just I don't know if the right time to say it, but I I will not be at that meeting on the ninth, and I don't know if that matters, but I just I'm mentioning it.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh before we close for the evening, planning commissioners.

Do you have any comments to provide?

A little start again on my left.

Any any comments?

Or open comment, open mic.

Yeah, I'll be in Hawaii uh during the meeting, so I won't feel badly that I'm missing, but I will be in Hawaii.

Yeah, but this is for any statements.

I know that no, I appreciate it.

Oh, I did.

I will say one quick statement because it's been a while, but I did attend that uh the uh concert, the 80s flashback concert at our at our sports center, and I gotta tell you it was it was a blast.

I mean, it was cool.

I mean, uh it was I mean, of course, for my era of music, so it was uh we I knew every word every song, but it was uh our era, our era, our music.

That's right, not all about you, Ben.

Well, no, some of you guys a little older than I am, but that's right.

I guess you could fall in that category.

But no, it's easy.

No, it's right.

Anyways.

I'm and and I'm I'm it's good to see live music in uh in Hyuntington Beach.

So anyway, Commissioner Palmer.

Well, I'm looking forward to the drone the drone.

Uh no, I have no other comments, Commissioner Babino.

None for me.

Commissioner Bush.

Just like to wish everybody a great Thanksgiving.

Commissioner Pellman.

Wish everybody a great Thanksgiving.

Okay.

Commissioner McGee.

No, I'm good.

Okay.

The only thing I had to add was um there uh we um we had uh two homes in Huntington Harbor in our August meeting that got appealed up to city council.

Um I believe that this group was for the most part, well, the majority of us were in favor of um you know developed by rights, and um, and what I saw was a uh kind of a design flaw in the um in the um in the rules on how you can build a house.

One of the homes had a three-story, but they used a flat roof for three stories, and I feel like that's something that we need to change.

I'm trying to work with staff to to present a change.

Um the home that's gonna come up uh on appeal was they were told to shrink the house down to 30 feet when if you have a five and twelve pitch, that just means you're gonna have a steep roof, and I I think that's the way the home should be built with a nice so is that a mansard style roof that you're talking about.

Um, I just want to stop us before we get too far.

It wasn't agenda, so we can uh care you're free to say your plan isn't as a comment, but I I want to avoid getting too deep in discussion.

That's not the nice item.

So that's the right.

So I'm just uh I think we should consider maybe I don't know, as a as a group, um consider having our own um yeah, adopting a a new standard that it would prevent this straight up box is I think what was the problem.

So anyway, that's all I have.

Well, if we're gonna do that, I'd like to maybe discuss, and I don't know if we're allowed to do this, but um, I would like to include in that discussion the um the mass and footprint on third story uh rooftop patios.

I think that's a that was a zoning kind of uh slip up.

So I'm making our attorney nervous.

Yeah, okay.

Okay.

Okay, um, so that's the that's our last item on the agenda.

We hereby are adjourned to our next planning commission meeting, which will now yes, which will be Tuesday uh December 9th.

Uh thank you.