Good evening.

We will begin our meeting with the prayer and pledge of allegiance led by Councillor Bain.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

I'd like to welcome uh Pastor Juan Lopez.

Uh he's actually my pastor from Calvary Tabernacle here in Indianapolis to lead us in prayer.

Lord, I thank you for every member of this city county council.

And God, I pray that you would grant great wisdom as they're working through topics and making decisions tonight.

There is no one more concerned about the well-being and the safety of the people and the communities that they represent here.

And so I'm asking God that you would lead, that you would guide, that you would bring unity around the things that matter most.

And we ask this in Jesus' name.

Amen.

If you can all join me in the pledge, pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God and indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, sir.

Councilors, please collect your green button to indicate your attendance.

All right, we have 25 uh counselors present.

I don't believe we have guests with us this evening who are not already on the agenda.

So the next item on agenda is official communications.

Madam Clerk.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Ladies and gentlemen, you are hereby notified that regular meetings of the City County Council, police, fire, and solid waste collection special service district councils will be held in the City County Building in the public assembly room on Monday, September 8th, 2025 at 7 o'clock p.m.

The purposes of such meetings being to conduct any and all business that may properly come before regular meetings of the councils.

Sincerely, Bob Oselie, President City County Council.

Ladies and gentlemen, pursuant to the laws of the state of Indiana, I have call I calls to be published published in the Court and Commercial Record and in the Indianapolis Star on Friday, August 29th, 2025, a copy of notice of public hearing on proposal 274, 2025, said hearing to be held Monday, September 8, 2025 at 7 o'clock p.m.

in the public assembly room of the City County Building.

Ladies and gentlemen, I have approved of my signature and delivered this day to the clerk of the City County Council, Yolanda Winfield, the following ordinances.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

The next item on our agenda is the adoption of the agenda.

Do I consent?

Consent.

The next item on our agenda is approval of journals for August 11th, 2025.

Do I have consent?

Consent.

Let us proceed now to presentation of petitions and morals special resolutions.

Actually, this next item on our agenda is proposal number two thirty three.

Referred to administration and finance committee.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal 233 reappoints Ebony Chapel to the Alcoholic Beverage Board, Marion County.

Pass out of committee 100.

I so move.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Are there comments from counselors?

Motion carries 25 to 0.

The next item on our agenda is proposal number 234, referred to um administration and finance.

Committee, Chairman Mascarry.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal 234 appoints Laura Lorimer to the information technology board, pass out of committee 100.

I so move.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Other comments from counselors.

Seeing none, let us proceed to the board for our vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

The next item on our agenda is proposal number 237.

Referred to Metropolitan Economic Development Committee.

Chairwoman Lewis.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

With consent, I would like to take proposals 237 and 238 together.

Thank you.

Proposal number 237 appoints Brad Kay to the Citizen Advisory Committee for the Lawrence Township Comprehensive Plan.

Proposal number 238 appoints lawyer miser to the City Market Corporation Board of Directors.

Both proposals pass out of committee by a vote of 11 to 0.

Mr.

President, I so move.

Comments from Counselors.

Chairman Coots.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

With Counselor Roberts' permission, I'd like to be added as a co-sponsor to proposal 237.

Very good.

Thank you.

All right.

Any additional comments from counselors.

Seeing none, let us proceed to the board for a vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

The next item on our agenda is introduction of proposals.

Madam Clerk.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

The following proposals were referred to the Administration and Finance Committee.

Proposal number 275, 2025, introduced by Councillor Muscary, proposes an ordinance of the Marion County Marion County Local Income Tax to 1, modify the local income tax rate, two to modify the allocation of the previously imposed expenditure rate, and three to cast the vote of the City County Council on such ordinance.

Proposal number 287, 2025, introduced by Councillors Hart and Bain.

Urges the Indianapolis Power and Light Company doing business as AES Indiana and the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission to protect ratepayers by withdrawing or rejecting AES Indiana's print pending rate increased petition.

The following proposals were referred to the Metropolitan and Economic Development Committee.

Proposal number 277 2025 introduced by Counselor Lewis appoints Courtney Howe Risman to the City Market Corporation aboard board of directors.

Proposal number 278-2025 introduced by Councillor Lewis appoints David Heron to the City Count City Market Corporation Board of Directors.

The following proposals were referred to the Municipal Corporations Committee.

Proposal number 279, introduced by Councillor Evans, reappoints Richard Wilson Jr.

to the Indianapolis Public Transportation Corporation Board of Directors.

Proposal number 280, introduced by Counselor Ali Brown, approves the issuance of the Indianapolis Marion County Public Library General Obligation Bonds 2025 through 2026 multi-facility long-term capital maintenance and equipment update project and original aggregate principal amount not to exceed $15 million.

Proposal number 281 2025 introduced by Councillor Alley Brown.

Approves the appropriation of the proceeds and investment earnings of the Indianapolis Marion County Public Library General Obligation Bonds in an original aggregate principal amount not to exceed $15 million for the purposes of financing all or any portion of the 2025 through 26 multifacility long-term capital maintenance and equipment update project.

Proposal number 282, 2025, introduced by Councillor Evans, adopts the operating and maintenance budgets and tax levies of the Indianapolis Airport Authority and establishes appropriations for said municipal corporation for 2026.

Proposal number 283, 2025, introduced by Councillor Evans, adopts the operating and maintenance budgets and tax levies of the Capital Improvement Board of Managers and establishes appropriations for said municipal corporation for 2026.

Proposal number 284, 2025, introduced by Counselor Evans, adopts the operating and maintenance budgets and tax levies of the Health and Hospital Corporation and establishes appropriations for said municipal corporation for 2026.

Proposal number 285, introduced by Counselor Evans, adopts the operating and maintenance budgets and tax levies of the Indianapolis Public Transportation Corporation and establishes appropriations for said municipal corporation for 2026.

Proposal number 286 referred introduced by Councillor Evans, adopts the operating and maintenance budgets and tax levies of the Indianapolis Marion County Public Library and establishes appropriations for said municipal corporation for 2026.

The following proposal was referred to the public safety and criminal justice committee.

Proposal number 276, 2025, introduced by Councillor Robinson.

Directs the Office of Public Health and Safety to provide a report to the City County Council regarding appropriations of the round three elevation grant program to the Indianapolis Foundation.

Mr.

President, that it concludes the introductions.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

The next item on our agenda is special orders priority business.

Proposal numbers 288 through 307 2025 are all rezonings that were certified to the council for approval by the Metropolitan Development Commission.

If anyone wishes to call down any of these proposals for a public hearing, no one wishes to call down any of these proposals for a public hearing.

They will pass into law.

Does anyone wish to call down any of the proposals for reconsideration?

Mr.

President.

Yes, Councilor Hart.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

I'd like to move that proposal number 306-2025, rezoning case 2025.

CZN 814, which is property located at 3043-3451-3511, and 3801 South Post Road, 9405, 9609, 9611, and 9931 East Troy Avenue, 3430, 3440, and 3610 Davis Road, and 950 Vandergriff Road be scheduled for a hearing before this council at its next regular meeting on September 22nd, 2025 at 7 p.m.

And that the clerk read the amendment or the announcement of such hearing and enter the same in the minutes of this meeting.

Mr.

President, ISO move.

Second.

All right, probably moved and seconded.

General Council Pierce, if you can now read the announcement for public hearing of proposal number 306 2025 before this body.

Thank you.

Mr.

President, this council will hold a public hearing on rezoning petition number 2025, CZN 841, 814, excuse me.

Council proposal number 306 2025, which property is located at 3043 3451, 3511, and 3801 South Post Road, 9405, 9609, 9611, and 9931 East Troy Avenue, 3430, 3440, and 3610 Davis Road and 9500 Vandergriff Road at its next regular meeting on Monday, September 22nd, 2025.

Such meeting is to convene at 7 p.m.

in the in these council chambers in the City County Building in Indianapolis.

This petition proposes to rezone 467.66 acres from a DA FFFW C4 FFFW and SU 43 FFW districts to the CS FFFW district for a data center campus development for a data center campus development and uses including light manufacturing, all research and development, utilities, agricultural uses, buildings and structures as permitted in I-1 and office uses as permitted in C1.

Written objections that are filed with the clerk of the council shall be heard at such time, or the hearing may be continued from time to time as may be found necessary by the council.

That is the announcement, Mr.

President.

Thank you, Council Pierce.

Proposal number 306-2025 has been scheduled for public hearing at the next meeting of the council on September of the 22nd, uh, 2025.

Hearing no further motions for public hearing, proposal numbers 288 through 305 and 307 will now pass into law.

The next item on our agenda.

I think you have to vote to call it down.

I think I was a little too late.

A little faster.

All right.

Um all those in favor.

I would be in favor of calling it down.

Forgive me.

It's on the board.

It's up on the board, Mr.

President.

Thank you.

So proposal 25.

Uh, all those in favor?

Um, I think we just uh hit our uh hit our green or red buttons.

All right, now we've done this.

How about that?

Okay, all right.

Now the next item on our agenda is uh special orders public hearing.

And before we open the floor to public comments, I would like to call on General Council Pierce to review the ground rules for public testimony as adopted by this body.

Ms.

Pierce.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

As we move to the public comment portion of debate for these proposals, we would like to remind council members and the public of a few ground rules.

In order to for everyone to have a fair chance to speak and to be heard, it is important that we observe the following rules.

First, each speaker will be limited to two minutes.

Second, any public comments must be reasonably related to the agenda item under consideration.

Third, speakers who stray from the item under consideration or become unduly repetitious may be asked to move on to their next point or conclude their comments.

Finally, attendees who cause disruptions that prevent the council from proceeding through today's agenda in a reasonably efficient manner will be removed.

Please remember that some types of threatening speech or incitement to violence are not protected by the First Amendment.

We will deal with those issues if they come up, but we don't think they will.

If you ask for consent, Mr.

President, we can adopt these rules.

Do I have consent to adopt the rules for public testimony?

All right, so let us move now to the items under special orders public hearing.

And this uh next item on our agenda is proposal number two forty-two refer to administration and finance committee.

Chairman Muscari.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal two forty-two authorized the insurance of sale at general obligation bonds, consolidated city, and aggregated principle of not to exceed eight million five hundred thousand dollars to proceed with acquisition design, enabling work, site work, construction work, installation of equipment, and financing of the apportion of cost of a new fire station ladder 33, together with the necessary apertures related to the improvement of the equipment, including the incidental expenses incurred in the connection with the insurance bonds.

I it passed out of committee 110.

I so move.

Motion is then promptly moved and seconded.

Are there comments from counselors?

All right, seeing none.

Is there anyone in the room with an interest in um proposal 242?

Seeing none.

Um let us proceed to the board for our vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

This next item on our agenda is proposal number 274.

Also referred to administration and finance committee.

Chairman Muscari.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal two 274 proposals of resolution of Marion County Local Income Tax to request the approval of the Department of Local Government and Finance to lower the levy tax rate and to cast a vote from the city county councilor as such a resolution pass it to the committee 10 0.

I so move.

Motion is in properly moved and seconded.

Other comments from counselors.

Seeing none, is there anyone in the room with an interest in proposal number 274?

All right, seeing none, let us proceed to the board for our vote.

Motion carries 22 to 3.

There is no business under special orders unfinished business, so let us proceed to special orders final adoption.

And this next item this next item on our agenda is proposal number 184.

Referred to Metropolitan Economic Development Committee.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal number 184 approves a payment in lieu of taxes, a pilot as provided by IC 36-3-2-12 for Canal Village 3 LP for affordable housing project being financed in part with low-income housing tax credits and pursuant and to Section 42 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, known as Canal Vell Canal Village 3, consisting of 33 affordable housing units for low-income residents on scattered parcels off of Annette Street, Raider Street, Roach Street, West 25th Street, and West 28th Street in District 12.

The proposal pass out of committee by a vote of 11 and zero.

Mr.

President, I still move.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Comments from counselors.

All right.

I see none.

Let us proceed to the board for a vote.

Motion carries 25 to zero.

This next item on our agenda is proposal number 235.

Refer to administration and finance committee.

Chairman Muscari.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Uh proposal 235, amend section 291-602 to of the revised code to modify definition of confidential employees.

Pass out of committee.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Other comments from counselors.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

All right.

Um next item on our agenda is proposal number 236.

Refer to administration and finance committee.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Uh proposal 236 reintroduced by Councillor Hart, Bain, and SOLT to repeal the city's resident residency required by the Council Maori, made the motion to proposal of the full council.

We do pass the recommended recommendations.

Councilor on A seconded it the motion.

The committee do pass recommendation, failed in the vote of five in favor of a due pass recommendation.

Six opposed to do pass recommendation.

As a result, the move failed to the council passing the law.

I so move.

All right, the motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Comments from counselors.

I believe that counselor Hart has a motion.

Mr.

President, thank you, Mr.

President.

Uh yeah, I've got a motion this evening where you know I'm just taking and I've got an amendment for this uh where uh just taking a lot of feedback that we had in committee.

Uh essentially uh what this amendment does, um, it it removes the original language of uh alleviating the residency requirement completely.

And really, you know, we heard from uh the chief public defender that evening, and he made a very compelling case that it is hard for him to be uh in parity with the uh prosecutor's office.

Uh and then in subsequent weeks, we actually heard from the sheriff's department about making sure that we're fulfilling our constitutional duty, which got me thinking about this proposal.

And it it doesn't come up very often where we have to uh uh to make sure we're fulfilling our constitutional duty with the city is uh but in this case we actually do with the public defender.

And if he's having a hard time hiring folks to uh provide the right to representation because we are prohibiting that through our municipal code, um then we are we are in the way.

And so what this proposal does is or this amendment does to the proposal is it only creates an exception for the public defender's office, so they don't have to put in uh any exception requests and that that they can be in parity with the prosecutor's office and hire from outside Marion County.

So, Mr.

President, ISO move um that we uh strike uh any of the the language that was in it and add the underlying language uh language in section A, that uh occupancy laws and this provision does not apply to the Marion County Public Defender's Office.

ISO move.

Second.

All right.

It's improving moved and seconded.

Are there comments from counselors?

Counselor Bain.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Um, just want to briefly thank Councilor Hart for his work on this, and um obviously as a co-sponsor, I fully supported the proposal in its original form and thought it would be a really good thing for the citizens of Marion County.

Um, but I do think the amendment will put us in a strong place uh to allow the public defender's office to recruit from outside Marion County, just like the prosecutor's office can, and we are fulfilling our duty because the thing is there is a state law around how many cases a public defender can have.

And you know, we we get pretty close to that number, and the thing is we get a reimbursement back from the state.

That's a little over 11 million dollars a year, because we stay below that threshold, that number that the state sets.

So I think it's very important that we do everything we can to make sure we stay below that.

Um heaven forbid we would ever go above that threshold and lose out on the tens of millions of dollars a year in reimbursements that we get from the state.

So we're gonna encourage everybody to support this amendment and then the proposal afterwards.

Thank you.

Councilor Brown.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

And thank you to Counselors Bannon and Hart for bringing this.

Comments on the specific amendment first.

I I do think it's important that the public defenders agency gets parity with the prosecutor's office.

However, in this case, to the best of my uh knowledge, the chief public defender has still not provided the opportunity for uh the public defenders who are working to unionize to actually sit and have their demands met.

Uh they're just waiting for a fair arbitration agreement when the employees are directly telling the chief public defender what they need most, and the chief public defender is refusing to meet them in the middle.

To me, we can play around with code all we want, but we're dodging the central issue there.

So I'll be voting on this.

Thank you.

Additional comments from counselors.

Well, then let us proceed to the board for a vote on the amendment.

The motion fails seven to eighteen.

Are there any additional comments from counselors?

All right, seeing none.

Uh is there a motion to vote on uh proposal uh two thirty six.

There's already a motion on the table.

The motion and second on the table.

Very good.

Then let us proceed uh to the board for our vote.

Sorry, Mr.

President.

I I did have a comment on this.

Oh, please.

Thank you.

I again wanted to thank Counselors Hart and Bain and my other colleagues who voted for this uh for taking seriously the severe staffing issues that do exist within this administration.

And it is true that we heard you know Ray Casanova, the chief public defender, and several other department heads and agency heads stating they would like to remove the residency requirements.

So I'm not saying that they're making up this issue.

We're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

But I did mention this privately as well.

I think my colleagues are failing to address the elephant in the room here, which is Joe Hogsett's abusive behavior that makes it clear the city is not a welcoming place for people to work.

We've been talking about this issue for 13 months as a council.

This within the last week, the mere Indy article came out just showing that the abuse was not limited to Thomas Cook, was not limited to sexual abuse.

Point of order, Mr.

President.

Uh I'm I would like to end this conversation that has nothing to do with this uh uh item on the agenda.

I think it is.

I feel strongly this does have to do with the exact thing under discussion here, which is staffing within the organization.

Do you want to call it a question?

We want to hear it.

I can conclude my statement in one sentence, which is we could end these problems if all 25 counselors would simply call for Mayor Hogs that to resign.

Thank you.

Robert.

All right.

All right, so let us proceed to the board for our vote.

Understand that because the recommendation was not to pass, that the green is to follow the recommendation of the committee.

Green is to not pass it.

Red would be to pass it.

It's convoluted.

Cool.

But green is to not pass.

Is the board ready?

I think if you've all went deaf.

And that motion passes 18 to 7 to not pass.

I didn't make this up.

All right.

The next item on agenda is proposal number two forty.

Refer to administration and finance committee.

Chairman Muscary.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal 240 approves the insurance insurance special taxing district of Metropolitan Thoroughfare District pursuant.

Indiana Code 36-9-6-5.

An aggregate principle of the not exceeding $4 million for the purposes of pursuing funds to be applied for the acquisition and construction of installation of equipment, certain as uh snowplows, paving, line striping equipment together with necessary apertures related to the improvements, including the incidental expenses incurred in the connection of the insurance bonds.

Pass out of committee 110.

ISO move.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Comments from counselors.

All right, seeing none, let's proceed to the board for a vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

This next item on our agenda is proposal number 241.

Referred to administration and finance committee.

Chairman Muscari.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

241 approves the insurance of special taxing district bonds for public safety communication systems and computer computer facilities in pursuant of Indiana Code 36-8-15 in an aggregated principal amount not to exceed $88,500,000 for the purpose of procuring funds for the acquisition of weather sir tornado sirens together with apertures relating to the improvements in equipment of the incidental expenses incurred in the connection with the insurance bonds.

Passed on the committee 11-0.

ISO move.

Second.

The motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Comments from counselors.

Chairman Boots.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Just as a little background, I think it's helpful for the public to know when they read a dry dry abstract like this what we're talking about.

This will replace over the next two years the entire storm weather siren system for Marion County for the safety of the citizens, as we know the horror that happened in tech in Texas with the floods and the river.

None of their sirens worked.

None of the kids were warned before they were washed away to their deaths.

That's a drastic situation, unlikely to happen here, but we are in Tornado Alley, and we would not want anything of that sort to ever happen here.

So hence that's the purpose of this to replace your tight tornado sirens to make all of us more safe.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Thank you very much.

Additional comments from counselors.

And it's going to start on the south side.

Any other comments from counselors?

All right.

Um seeing none, let us proceed to the board for our vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

Next item on our agenda is proposal number 243, referred to public safety and criminal justice committee.

Chairman Robinson.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal 243-2025.

Call for the committee to review and accept the jail commentary report submitted by the sheriff.

State law requires that the sheriff establish and maintain non-reverted fund containing the funds from the merchandise sold to inmates.

State law also requires that the sheriff maintain a record of the funds receipts and disbursements and further requires that the sheriff provide a copy of this record to the city county council on a quarterly basis.

The committee reviewed and accepted this report, a copy which has been submitted to the clerk for inclusion in the council's journal of proceedings.

No further action is required at this time.

Mr.

President.

Thank you very much, Chairman.

Uh as you stated, the report is accepted as submitted, and no further action is required.

So the next item on our agenda is proposal number two for four, referred to public safety and criminal justice committee.

Chairman Robinson.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Proposal 244 2025, introduced by Councillors Hard and Bain, sought to chase the general orders board into an advisory board.

Council Carlino made a motion for a due pass recommendation.

And Council Boots seconded the motion.

The committee's due pass recommendation failed in a vote of three in favor of a due pass recommendation and an opposed of eight to the due pass recommendation.

As a result, Mr.

President, I move that this council not pass the proposal into law by Council Hard and Bain.

That was a motion.

Thank you.

All right, it's been moved and seconded that the council not pass this proposal into law.

Comments from counselors.

All right.

Hearing none, we will um it will go to the uh board for a vote.

Please remember that a yes vote will mean that we will not pass the proposal into law as recommended by committee.

And a no vote means that the proposal will become law as drafted.

Motion carries 19 to 6.

This next item on our agenda is proposal number 245.

Referred to public safety and criminal justice committee.

Chairman Robinson.

Thank you again, Mr.

President.

Proposal 245 2025 introduced by Councillors Hart and Bain and Boots sought to have parental fees for a violation of the curfew ordinance.

Council Hart made a motion for a due pass recommendation, and Councillor Graves seconded the motion.

The committees do pass recommendation failed in a vote of four in favor of a do pass recommendation and seven to the to the do pass recommendation.

As a result, Mr.

President, I move that the council do not pass this proposal into law.

Second.

Motion is improperly moved and seconded.

Comments from counselors.

Mr.

President.

Councilor Hart.

I've got an amendment on this one too.

I you know took some feedback from council members on on varying degree items.

One was the the amount of the fine.

So what this uh amendment does, I'd like to move is reduce the fine on the uh uh subsection BB uh from 500 to 300 and then BC from 1500 to 700.

Um that also adds the language up to on both of those uh and Mr.

President with that ISO move.

Second all right, she probably moved and seconded other comments from counselors.

Chairman Robinson.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

And again, we do appreciate Councilor Hart uh and his interest in this proposal.

Um but I, as the chair will just allow for more time to have a discussion uh with more community members, more stakeholders, more of those involved in this work as a profession uh before we have any other amendments to this proposal, Mr.

President.

Very good.

So uh I believe it has been moved and seconded that section 381 105 B be amended by lowering fees associated with a curfew violation.

Then uh counselors let us move to the board for a vote on this amendment.

Once again, a yes vote will modify the proposal uh lowering the fees and a no vote.

We'll keep the proposal as introduced.

I'm moving so fast, don't I?

Yes, yes.

Um forgive me.

Can we speak?

So uh Mr.

Mr.

President, yes, this is on this is on the most recent amendment that was second just today by Council Hart.

That that that that I think a vote comes first.

Yes, I think.

Which I just spoke about.

Again, Mr.

President, we we believe in accountability.

The parents there needs to be more accountability to the parents, but I think that we need more information uh and more discussion with the outside stakeholder before we add a district countability to the parents.

Very good.

Thank you.

Yes.

All right.

So um green is a yes, and red is a no on the amendment.

Thank you.

That fails uh 15 uh to 10.

Uh councillor Delaney.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

I would like to make a motion to move to table um proposal number two forty-five as we have here today.

Um the reason being I think as our chairman said earlier, we really need to open our discussion to a broader discussion to allow for more non-monetary penalties.

Um we want to make sure that our children are having positive engagement with government and that we're not just trying to penalize our parents.

And so with that, I move to table the um proposal two forty-five um so that we can allow further discussion of of additional um possible penalties and consequences.

All right.

Motions have moved and seconded.

Chairman Robinson.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Again, um, I I do support this this uh motion to table uh to allow for more discussion, and again, we all believe uh the parents should be held more accountable.

Uh those, of course, that are having children come downtown and do uh unlawful things, but again, more discussion is is the priority, get more stakeholders involved in the discussion.

So I do support um Chairwoman's Delaney's motion to table at this point to allow for more discussion.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Very good.

Additional comments.

Uh uh Counselor Brown.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Uh yeah, I wanted to make similar comments to Chairman Robinson, and thank you uh for Councillor Delaney.

I did vote yes on the amendment because I think it does get us closer, but I think I would still be forced to vote no on this were we to take the vote up and down right now.

I think we could move in a direction I worry about criminalizing parents who you know have have economic problems.

I did receive an email from a uh nonprofit executive who works with homeless youth, for example, who don't have parents available.

So I don't think we've thought through all of the permutations here.

I do want us to keep working on this because I think that uh the community is asking for more parental involvement.

Thank you.

Very good.

Chairman Barth.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Um, I would like to speak in support of Counselor Stelaney's motion to table and the comments that um Chairman Robinson said.

I I do also appreciate Councilor Hart's um work on this and his introduction of it.

I think directionally there is some opportunity to think about accountability, um, how we do it and uh what it should look like.

I think needs more time.

I think this proposal is well intentioned, but for me it's not fully baked yet.

It needs some more time, especially engaging with the community.

I think potentially we come up, we could come up with something that's much more um bipartisan and thoughtful at the end of the day.

So I think tabling it for now and setting uh course on a process to think it through more carefully makes sense.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Chairman Evans.

Thank you, President.

Um part of this discussion has been wrapped around the incidents that took place in downtown.

But realistically, this is an issue that we're trying to address throughout the entire city.

It's not just a downtown issue, it's a it's an issue across the board.

Um, and then for some folks who are frustrated, I think that we're not moving quick enough.

I would remind residents that I and PD has not enforced the uh teen curfew law, in part because they also officers have felt that there need to be better options for these kids.

Very good.

Council Allen.

Thank you, Mr.

Uh Chairman Evans, for bringing that um statement up and saying it's just not a downtown issue, that it's a citywide issue.

Um I also think uh, and I am in full support of Councillor Delaney's uh wanting to table this because I don't think that parents should be fine because every parent, you know, not all parents are bad parents, but I do believe in accountability, and that's where we have to start at is everybody has to take accountability.

And I do think this is a collaboration.

Um and as Mr.

Chairman Robinson said that we do need more information before we begin to put anything in place.

And so thank you for wanting to table this, and but also I would like to reiterate as counselor um Evans said that this is just not a downtown issue.

This is a citywide issue because I've spoken at too many funerals over the last couple years where the mother and fathers are burying in their children, and children are not burying their mothers, and we have to take a look at who is holding the guns because guns just don't just pad just come out.

We are we're making it accessible for these kids to get these guns, and so we make sure we have to make sure that we we all take accountability.

This is not an IMPD, just an IMPD issue.

This is not an elected official issue.

This is not just a parent issue.

I look at it, it's all of our issue that we need to take the stand on Councilor Hart.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

I just like to take an opportunity to say, you know, it's is one of those things, you know.

I like I said in committee.

Uh I wasn't sitting around in my office and just said, you know, I'm gonna throw these out there.

These were were things that I had talked to the members of the community about.

Um last committee I I I offered bringing community experts to the the city uh council committee meeting and public safety and was denied that request.

Um you know, I'm I'm happy to work forward with everybody and I will always do that.

I'll never turn down an opportunity to work uh on proposals with y'all in the future.

I do think though it's you know uh a time to act and that time to act is now where I've had plenty of phone calls.

I'm sure y'all have had plenty of phone calls about doing something.

Um if you're gonna continue to work on something, what concerns me is the time frame of accountability that we're gonna miss on that, where you can always adjust these in the future, and in any future amendment or any future proposal that you would put forward, uh moving this forward today would get us something in the municipal code that holds parents accountable.

Um, and it's a reminder to everybody that the first offense is a letter and it's a reminder that these things are possible at the four uh after that, and then even further beyond that, there is judicial discretion on on what the judge is actually gonna find them.

So these are in essence up two amounts, even in the original proposal.

Um so it's not like the antennas just go out there and throw out fines, but it's to uh to make sure that there's something known that we we deeply care about the the safety um of our children in our city, and we need to hold the parents accountable to do so.

That's right.

Thank you, Chairman Boots.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Just briefly excuse me, as a co-sponsor of the bill.

I'm comfortable with it being tabled.

Um this is a very important topic, and I don't think we've crossed all our T's and dotted our I's yet on this.

Um we I think it's a collaborative bipartisan issue that we all want more accountability.

But there are other additional that really needed to be explored here, I think.

Uh, and it's really got to do with more of the uh non-monetary penalties that we can put to bring accountability, and it's not just to be punitive, but also to be collaborative and supportive, and I think we need to put some more supportive measures in that.

So I'm willing as a co-sponsor to go back to the drawing board with it.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Uh Councilor Baiden.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Um, you know, I think it's really important to note that a law without a violation or a crime without a punishment is nothing more than a suggestion.

And so this accountability is sorely needed in Indianapolis, and I I guess we just need to call balls and strikes.

I mean, I've I've never seen uh proposal get tabled and then brought back up again later for consideration.

This is just nothing more than a cheap way of trying to dodge a no vote, even though if you do table this, it is a no vote.

Uh counselor Gibson.

Uh thank you, Mr.

President.

Uh uh we have a sincere uh thought process that we that we really want to make sure we got the right penalties here.

So, Mr.

Bain, I assure you our caucuses talk very directly about imposing some type of penalties.

But we want to make sure we're direct, we're gonna make sure that we if effective very uh that the experts considerations involved in this, so we do it the right way, and that is very effective.

Um monetary may be good, but there might be other options on the table as well.

But I believe uh we really want to do it this right way, so it's tabling is the right way to go this evening.

Good.

Chairman Biscarry.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

You know, we still have the curfew laws in effect.

You get a kid that's uh taken in, parents have to pick them up.

Um back when I was a kid.

If you were picked up to the police and by a curfew law, um your parents come and pick you up, they were pretty upset, and you really could uh create your wrath of hell when you got home.

But um, I do believe we need to do some more, but the curfew law is still in fact, so thank you.

Chairman McCormick.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Um echo my colleagues.

I think this is an important conversation.

Account accountability is essential.

Um what I want to see is best practices from other communities and what they are doing.

I think there's stuff we could we can learn there, and then also data and information.

Since we've just now started enforcing our curfew law, we don't have data and numbers on how many well how many people are we looking at, how many uh juveniles will be going into to court for this.

So I think there's some information that we need that we're lacking, um, and so I support tabling.

Very good.

Any additional comments?

Um Council Perkins.

Uh thank you, uh Mr.

President.

I want to just add my voice to to this.

I I do appreciate my colleagues and I do support us tabling the motion.

Uh, one of the great things about the way this this um uh council work is that there are rules to table, and there's also rules to pull uh at a proposal from off the table, and so uh we know those rules, and so we'll make sure that we engage in the conversation and discussion in uh in committee.

Um, I do want to point out to my colleagues.

I appreciate the spirit of this discussion um and the energy that we have built not only in this um council but also in community as we think about uh consequences for both the actions of our young people but also the inactions of their parents.

Um and I want to encourage us to think that uh that it goes um even beyond that.

Uh that I would love to see this level of conversation and excitement when we think about education and how we prepare our young people uh and what services that we offer to them.

And so that let this not be one-sided that we are thinking just to be punitive, but we are affording other opportunities to encourage uh our young people and our families across uh Marin County.

Thank you.

Very good.

If there are no if there are no uh further comments, uh let us go to the board for our vote uh to table proposal two four five motion carries 18 to 7.

The next item on our agenda is proposal number 246.

Uh refer to public works committee, Chairwoman Jones.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

With consent, I would like to take proposals number 246 through 255 together.

Thank you.

Proposal number 246 authorizes intersection controls at 56th Street and Haverford Avenue.

Proposal number 247 authorizes intersection controls at Lynnhurst Drive and Mooresville Road.

Proposal number 248 authorizes intersection controls at Acton Road and Southeastern Avenue.

Proposal number 249 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in Canterbury in the Canterbury neighborhood.

Proposal number 250 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in the Forest Hills neighborhood.

Proposal number 251 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in the Buck Creek Village and Cedar Park subdivisions.

Proposal number 252 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in the Diamond Place subdivision.

Proposal number 253 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in the Boulevard Maynard subdivision.

Proposal number 254 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour in the Kessler Park neighborhood.

Proposal number 255 authorizes a speed limit reduction to 25 miles per hour from State Street to Emerson Avenue.

All proposals pass out of committee by votes of 12 to 0.

And Mr.

President, I so move.

Motion's been properly moved and seconded.

Other comments from counselors.

Seeing none, let's proceed to the board for a vote.

Motion carries 25 to 0.

There is no business under special service district councils.

There is no business under new business.

And so the next item on our agenda is announcements and adjournment.

The docketed agenda for this meeting of council having been completed.

The chair will now entertain motions for adjournment.

Mr.

President.

Mr.

President, I've been asked to offer the following motion for adjournment by Councillor Roberts in memory of Don Flamino, Forrest Brown, Arlene Norman, and Becky Bennett by Councillor Hart in memory of Marilyn Riggs and Charles Trowbridge.

By Councillor Nielsen in memory of David Edy.

By Councillor Barth in memory of Edward L.

Sellers, by Councillor Lewis in memory of Bill Long, by Councillor Osley in memory of Jay Johnson.

Mr.

President, I would like to move the adjournment of the of this meeting of the Indianapolis City County Council in recognition of and respect for the life and contributions of those persons I have here specifically named.

I respectfully ask the fellow ask the support of fellow counselors.

I further request that the motion be made part of the permanent records of this body and that a letter bearing the council seal and the signature of the president be sent to the family of each person advising of this action.

Thank you, Councilor Maury.

Hearing no objections, the motion is received.

Requests are ordered.

Hearing no further motions, we're adjourned.

Thank you.