Um I don't know.

I understand that's what we have to do to be making the cloud file I did go on.

I didn't investigate that one first one there with the card.

Okay.

Please don't have temporary.

Oh, yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

Welcome to the October 15th, 2025 meeting of the Metropolitan Development Commission.

We'll now come to order.

Please rise and recite the pledge of allegiance with me if you would.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving forward, members of the commission, you have received last week copies of the minutes from the October first, twenty twenty-five meeting.

Do we have any additions or deletions to those minutes?

Please refresh my memory.

Was anyone not present for that October first meeting?

Bruce, were you here on that one?

Is everybody else here?

Great.

Uh Commissioner Murray, I'll accept the motion to approve the minutes of October first.

So moved.

Commissioner Murphy, I'll take a second.

Let me call the roll.

Hergett.

Lyle.

Lyle, yes.

More error.

Murphy.

Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dylan is a yes.

They pass eight to zero.

Moving forward.

Are there any continuances, withdrawals or special requests?

Please introduce yourself, sir, and your address.

Good afternoon, Commission.

My name is Andrew Merkley.

I'm the director of the Office of Public Health and Safety with offices at 200 East Washington Street, suite 2100.

I'm here before you on agenda item uh 14, 2025 ZON 106 dealing with the property at 2400 in 2406 North Tibbs Avenue.

We are requesting a one-day waiver of the mailed notice requirements while we made every attempt to get those notices in the mail on time, but the time we were able to get the batch prepared.

Um we were able to post the signs on time uh that with the 23 days.

DMD has been made aware of this issue and is supportive of the request.

Marlena, you have any comments on us.

Thank you, President Dylan, members of the commission.

Yes, staff does not object to the one-day waiver of the notice.

Is there anyone here today that would object to this request?

Walk us through it one more time succinctly.

Your request is we are requesting a one-day waiver of the mailed notice requirements.

While we made every attempt to get those notices in the mail on time, by the time we were able to get the batch of notices prepared, it was too late for us to get them postmarked on the same day.

Thank you.

Any questions from members of the commission?

Commissioner Schumacher, I will accept a motion to approve a one-day waiver of notices for 2025 ZON 106.

So moved.

Commissioner Robinson, can I get a second?

Second.

Let me call the roll.

Her good.

Yes.

Lyle.

Lyle, yes.

Morerity.

Moyerity, yes.

Murphy.

Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dylan is a yes.

You've got your one-day waiver by a vote of 820.

Thank you.

Any other requests, special requests, withdraws.

Counselor, good afternoon.

Good afternoon, President Dillon, members of the Commission, Joe Calder and 11 South Meridian, Indianapolis.

Call your attention to item 13, that is 2025 ZON 077, 6501 man.

Road.

We uh I represent the petitioner in this matter.

Uh we are requesting a continuance to November 19th for the following reasons.

We are the ones that did initiate the appeal for hearing today.

However, uh my client is engaged in uh some pretty significant discussions with Councillor Bain, the district counselor, regarding certain commitments that uh they are not finalized.

We are waiting to receive information from uh DPW, in fact.

So councillor Bain actually emailed our planner uh Deziracozi and Eddie Honea uh yesterday requesting a continuance to the 19th.

Um I contacted Pat Andrews with Decatur Township Civic Council with whom we've been working on City Councilman Bain asked for the 19th century.

He emailed, yes, okay, exactly.

Des you've got that from the city council.

Correct.

Okay, go ahead.

I contacted Pat Andrews from Decatur Township Civic Council with whom we've been working.

Uh we're not in agreement with them, mind you that, but we have been working with them, and I explained the continuance request to her.

She explained that the 19th was not a good date for her.

Um, and she requested that we consider December 3rd.

I contacted my client and called Pat back this morning due to IHCDA filing requirements uh and zoning requirements needing uh needing to be completed by the end of this calendar year, December 3rd does not work um from my client standpoint either.

So we are uh holding firm in our request for November 19th.

You're pursuing credits as well.

Got us that has to be complete with the zoning in place by the end of the year.

Thank you, Councillor.

Thank you, Pat.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

My name is Pat Andrews, live at 7631 Reynolds Road in Camby.

Um I'm here representing the Decatur Township Civic Council, and with me are trustee Holiday and Chief Hudson.

Um we have no objection to the idea of a continuance, but November is bad.

It doesn't work.

Either of your dates do not work for us.

We have requested the uh 3rd of December, which uh will work for us.

Um we've been through this process now.

It was filed back in in June.

Um we had the hearing examiner uh where we showed up and um she made a recommendation and now uh we are ready to go forward today.

Um but if it is to be continued uh for us to do um our civic duty in opposing this petition, then we need to have it moved into at least the the third of December Pat.

I'm a little confused.

Hang hang tight with me.

Um if you're ready to go today, then you should be ready to go on the 19th unless there's something wrong with that.

I have I'm leaving town, so I can't do the 19th, and and the uh 5th, I believe is your next meeting, and that doesn't work for either of the township office folks.

And you certainly understand their problem trying to get filings for tax credits for the credits on the project.

We we have uh an objection to the zoning, um, and that would be our position.

But uh, if the zoning were to go through the tax credits themselves is decision of the state.

Right.

But you got to file by a certain time frame.

I understand that, but I heard about that this morning.

We heard about the continuance yesterday afternoon, and I circled around with all of the remonstrators.

Um Dez thoughts?

Thank you, Pat.

Yeah, um, so staff is okay with the continuance.

Um I'd be ready to go either date would work for both of us.

Um if so today we'd be good to go as well.

The only thing is about the commitments in there that are in the works.

Um, but outside of that, we're good to go.

With either but there's still a discussion on commitments, right?

Correct.

Okay.

Anybody else in the audience would like to comment on this?

Yes, sir.

Please introduce.

I have my client representative say a couple words, President Dylan.

Thank you, Councilman.

Thank you.

Brian Posen, Kittle Property Group 310 East 96th Street.

Just confirming what's been presented thus far, the deadline that the deadline for the zoning letter with uh IHCDA.

It's a new process they've introduced this year that has the round opening and closing.

Um, and so that's the reason for our desire to uh continue.

It's what does it say exactly?

The new letter, the new process?

The new so it was a rolling round throughout the year, but they've closed the round on July 1st or July 31st, the first round and reopened the second round, November 1 to December 31st.

November 1.

Correct to December 31st.

Correct.

Um then they close it again so you don't have time to get accomplished what you need if we have the hearing on the 19th.

Correct.

We we would get the council approval in January, which would be beyond the December 31st deadline.

He's asking that December 19th.

Oh, we're okay with November 19th.

December 3rd.

I'm sorry, Joe.

You're worried about getting approval from the council.

Correct.

On the timing.

Yes.

What is the timing on the council?

What is it?

For the approval of the of the zone.

If it's approved on the third the next council meeting, which is when?

When's the next council meeting, Joe?

January 5th.

Okay.

The cutoff is January.

December 19th at noon.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

Did you cut off for the December 19th?

Is December 19th at noon for the January 5th?

We have a hearing at December 19th.

We could probably get that waived though.

But they have to have a filed before they got to go to the council to get approval by just January.

By January by January.

That's right.

They've got to have it in 1231.

Yes.

Okay.

Exactly.

All right.

I think we got it.

Does everybody understand where we're at here?

I have a question.

Questions from members of commission.

So Pat Um regarding the Decatur Township specifically, since it is a body, uh, are there not other representatives available?

I'm the one is it just you?

Excuse me, I'm the one who um has obtained certain information that I can testify to, and that I have uh put into a succinct format.

Could you I am the one who needs to present this information?

So you couldn't put it in writing and let one of the other league representatives present it as entered into the record.

I understand what you're asking, and and uh actually no.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

I I think we understand where we're at.

Um City Councilman Bain is pushing for November 19th.

The township organizations are pushing for December 3.

Any other questions?

Thoughts.

All right.

I'm gonna make a motion that we honor the sitting city councilman's request for 2025 ZON 07 to be moved to the November 19th meeting.

Commissioner Morerity, can I get a second?

Second.

Thank you.

Let me call the roll.

Hergut.

Hergitt, yes.

Lyle.

Lyle, yes.

Moreity.

Moreity, yes.

Murphy.

Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dillon is a yes.

It passes 8 to 0.

Uh Council, you put us in a tough spot on this, but we're gonna go ahead and honor the councillors or city county council's request for November 19th.

Understood and appreciated.

Passes eight iterations.

Thank you.

Any other continuances request?

Withdrawals.

Seeing none.

Nancy, can you read the resolutions into the minutes?

Yes, thank you, President Dillon and Commissioners.

2025 R032 authorizes DMD to enter into a professional services agreement with Browning Day Incorporated with a not to exceed amount of 165,700.

2025 R043 authorizes DMD to expend 96,745 dollars for stabilization services on the Drake building.

2025 A041, preliminary economic revitalization area resolution for Hurf Jones LLC, located at 4501 West 62nd Street, Council District 6.

Township recommend approval of five years personal property tax abatement.

2025 E028 authorizes the reimbursement of TIFF funds from various TIFFs, totaling $16 million $69,043 to the DPW for eligible projects in the annual capital improvement plan.

2025 E029 reauthorizes TIFF funds from the consolidated redevelopment allocation area totaling $650,675 and 30 cents to the DPW to reimburse expenditures associated with the 2025 WNBA All-Star event.

2025 E030 authorizes the reimbursement of FCID funds from the Wright River North and State Ditch Mars Hill FCID CIDs totaling $2,250,000 for eligible flood control activities in 2025.

This ends the reading of the resolution.

Thank you, Nancy.

Show 2025 E029 and 2025 E30 with Commissioner Hergett recusing himself from both those votes.

I will take the full six resolutions together as a group.

Commissioner West, can I get a motion to approve?

So moved.

Thank you.

Commissioner Lyle, can I get a second?

Second, yes.

Let me call the roll.

Hergett.

Point of clarification, President Dillon.

Yes.

Items 2025 E028 and 20025E029.

Ah, I apologize.

Nancy, did you get that?

Yes.

O E028E29.

Hergett is recused.

All right.

We have before us and we have a motion on the the six policy resolutions, which I will take as a whole with the exception of Hergett's recusals.

Hergitt.

Hergitt, yes.

Lyle.

Lyle, yes.

More erity.

Morrearity, yes.

Murphy.

Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dillon is a yes.

They pass 8 to 0 with the exception of 2025 E026, 2025 E029, which passed 6 to 0 with two recused.

Did I do it again?

Yeah.

E028 E029.

I apologize.

Okay.

Nancy, please read in the petitions and no appeal.

Yes, thank you again.

Uh President Dylan and Commissioners.

Petitions of no appeal recommended for approval by the hearing examiner.

2025 MOD 020.

1011 East 22nd Street Center Township Council District 13.

2025 ZON 054.

126 and 130 Keeney Street, Center Township, Council District 18.

2025 ZON 086 5255 Winthrop Avenue Washington Township, Council District 7.

2025 ZON 093, 1849, Broad Ripple Avenue, Washington Township, Council District 7.

2025 CZN 837 amended at 1409 South Glen Arm Road, Wayne Township, Council District 17.

And lastly, 2025 REG 061 at 201 East Washington Street, Center Township, Council District 18.

This ends the reading of the no appeals docket.

Thank you, Nancy.

We have six.

No appeals that have been read into the minutes.

I will take those as a whole.

Commissioner Lyle, can I get a motion to approve?

So moved.

Thank you.

Commissioner Schumacher, can I get a second?

Second.

Let me call the roll.

Hergut.

Hergitt, yes.

Lyle.

Lyle, yes.

More erity.

Moyerity, yes.

Murphy.

Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dillon is a yes.

The petitions of no appeals pass.

8 to 0.

That takes us to our first hearing.

We obviously have a continuance on agenda item 13 that leaves us with agenda item 14.

Nancy, can you read that into the record?

Yes.

Thank you, President Dillon and Commissioners.

First petition for public hearing is a rezoning petition scheduled for initial hearing.

2025 ZON 106 at 242406 North Tibbs Avenue.

Wayne Township, Council District 11.

City of Indianapolis by Aaron Schounce.

Requesting rezoning of 14.7 acres from the DP District to the DP District to provide for a family overflow shelter and or a single men's overflow shelter and or an emergency shelter during severe weather events and or a storage and distribution site to support individuals and families transitioning from homelessness into permanent supportive housing and the uses permitted under 24-ZON-079.

Will all those intending to testify on this petition this afternoon, either for or against?

Please stand now to be identified and to be sworn in at this time.

Anybody else speaking in or for or against the petition?

Okay.

Please raise your right hand.

Do you swear or affirm of the penalties of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth?

Say I do.

I do.

Thank you.

Sir, can you identify yourself, please?

Andrew Merkley, I'm the director of the Office of Public Health and Safety.

Welcome.

Let me walk through the rules of engagement.

This is a petition that has been brought forth by the city of Indianapolis.

We will give you 15 minutes to present.

Are there any remonstrators here?

Seeing none, I would give the remonstrators 15 minutes and then I'll go to staff.

Marlena, you've got this one.

We'll ask questions all the way through.

I'll come back to you if you need rebuttal.

And then I would ask remonstrators if they need rebuttal.

So you're on the clock.

Go.

Thank you, President Dillon, and members of the commission.

Thank you for considering this rezoning request of the property located at 2400 and 2406 North Tibbs Avenue.

For clarity, this rezoning merely adds uses that were approved for this property under 2024 ZON 079, which was a rezone from the SU7 district, which allows for charitable and not for profit uses to the DP district that allowed for reuse for a fire station, multifamily development, a community center, community garden, recreational facilities, and professional offices, including medical and dental clinics.

None of these previously approved uses are being eliminated.

The request before you is merely to allow for the Noble of Indiana building at 2406 North Tibbs Avenue for emergency shelter services contingent upon the winter season or in the event of severe weather events.

The request would also allow for use of this space for the storage of furniture to be used for individuals experiencing homelessness who are transitioning into permanent supportive housing.

We are respectfully request asking for the commission's approval of this request as it is vital to addressing a critical threat to the city's homeless population during the winter seasons and inclement weather events.

Approval of this request would ensure adequate shelter capacity during the time that this is most critical.

Questions for the petitioner.

I have a few President Dillon.

Commissioner Murphy.

Can you give me a brief summary of your organization and then what their role is in the operation of this facility?

Absolutely.

The Office of Public Health and Safety was created by Mayor Hogsett to address the root causes of crime in the city of Indianapolis.

We are composed of five divisions: homelessness and eviction prevention, behavioral health re-entry, the violence reduction team, and our food team.

So we uh as part of this winter contingency uh operation, we are uh working to set up these overflow shelter sites in coordination with the broader continuum of care to support Wheeler Mission and other shelters this winter.

Historically, winter contingency has been operated solely by Wheeler Mission.

And it wasn't until the pandemic that the city of Indianapolis began assisting with non-congregate sheltering of our unsheltered population.

Um previously we've operated a local school building or or hotels to shelter individuals and families experiencing homelessness during the winter.

Um this season we uh looked for a couple of different opportunities to shelter these families, and Noble of Indiana has been a great partner in uh uh to use their facility at this location to house families this winter.

So we will be partnering with Aspire Indiana Health to provide services for these families.

They'll be on site all the time and uh and ensuring that they're they remain safe, fed, they have access to shower facilities, hygiene facilities, and then um hopefully get them housed into permanent housing.

And who's responsible for transportation of the families to this overflow shelter?

So there is a bus route that runs to this location, um, and we are working to get that bus route expanded to um go to that location more often.

So right now it goes twice a day.

Uh we're already working with Indigo to increase the frequency of that transportation.

And does there exist currently a similar overflow shelter or is this unique?

This is unique.

So that we are we are filling a gap that exists.

Wheeler mission can no longer um carry the entire burden of operating winter contingency with the number of families and individuals who are uh unsheltered.

Thank you.

Further questions?

Yes, sir, President Dillon.

Commissioner Lau.

Um, can you share a little bit more about the development aspect itself?

Is there going to be any new facility constructed?

Is there a renovation to a facility?

What does this look like in terms of it becoming a sheltering place?

Sure.

So this is a warehouse facility that Noble will vacate.

Uh, I believe they've begun vacating yesterday.

And it's just a blank floor space that we plan to use furniture furniture furniture that we have used in previous iterations of this program to set up uh what are called pods in in the facility for families to sleep, and then we'll also bring in shower trailers for hygiene and and we'll create a kitchen um out of existing space that's already there.

Thank you very much.

Any further questions?

Yes, Commissioner Hergett.

Thank you, President Dylan.

I would just say uh Director Merkley, congratulations on moving this forward.

I know that when you stepped into this role last year, this was a very um significant unsolved for challenge.

And so I just wanted to take a moment and publicly say kudos for uh wrapping your arms around this, you and I'm sure your team and others in the mayor's office uh because this is sorely needed, and I think um you've done a great job.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Once again, are any remonstrators here?

Seeing uh Marlena I got a question.

Oh, I'm sorry, Bruce.

Go ahead.

You the way I understand it, you have options to use it different ways as a men's shelter as an overflow shelter.

Is that depending on circumstance at different times, or are you gonna go commit to one specific direction at some point?

Uh it will be circumstantial.

So the the goal is to have a weather contingent model in the future.

Historically, it's only we've only uh offered overflow shelter during the winter months, but as the as the climate continues to change and we have really hot days during the summer, we've identified a need for there, there may be a need for this type of sheltering at that time as well.

Uh, and then uh with uh flooding and things like that, there may be a need to shelter folks like this earlier this spring.

We had a flood on the White River.

A lot of our neighbors who are living unsheltered live on the White River and on um uh what's the other there's another stream that comes through downtown regardless.

Um those individuals had to vacate and there was nowhere for them to go, there was no capacity.

So, you know, we're planning to use it for families this winter, um, but at any time it could be used for different populations.

We're also going to use it for some storage for um for moving kits and furniture for individuals who we are moving in to permanent housing.

So just to be clear, it could be a a men's shelter and a a overflow family shelter at the same time.

No, we would never have those two populations in the same space.

Final questions.

Thank you.

We'll come back to you.

Thank you.

We're going to the remonstrators, and you're a remonstrator on this or supportive.

Okay.

Thank you, President Dylan.

Members of the commission.

David Kingan, residing at 355 East Ohio Street.

Um you may remember many of you that were members of the commission at that time that I appeared a couple years ago in support of um there we go.

The city's administration's request to have the unsheltered or the low barrier facility at 1029 East Georgia.

I'm here equally today to support this location.

I think as an urban planner, they that this is an excellent location.

It would have very little uh impact on the surrounding neighborhoods and the the surrounding commercial area.

So for those reasons, I do share some of the comments by the commissioners about concerns about how persons will get there and also about physical improvements to the site, but uh the location is excellent, and I would support that location.

Thank you for your comments.

Seeing no remonstrators, Marlena, comments?

Thank you, President Dylan, members of the commission.

The rezoning request would add additional uses to the existing DP.

And because the intent is to use the existing building on site, staff did not have concerns with the addition of the proposed uses.

The uses intended would be offered that will be offered or needed to ensure that individuals are provided with adequate shelter when there are limited options in the city, and staff is supportive of the additional usage to the site since it would provide the necessary services to meet community needs and recommended approval of the request.

I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Questions for staff seeing none.

Do you need a rebuttal?

You're in good shape.

Thank you.

All right, we have before us 2025 ZON 106 been brought forward by the city of Indianapolis without remonstrators and staff's approval.

I'm gonna go ahead and make the motion for 2025 Z O N 106 to be approved.

Uh Commissioner Lyle, can I get a second?

Second, yes.

Let me call the roll for efficiency of time.

Hergitt.

Hergitt, yes.

Lyle Lyle, yes.

Moreity.

Moreity, yes.

Murphy, Murphy, yes.

Robinson.

Robinson, yes.

Schumacher.

Schumacher, yes.

West.

West, yes.

Dylan is a yes.

2025 ZON 106 passes 8 to 0.

Moving forward.

Nancy, can you read into the record the next scheduled petition?

The next petition for public hearing is also a rezoning petition scheduled for initial hearing.

2025 ZON 113 at 1318 South Lynnhurst Drive.

Wayne Township Council District 17.

Lynnhurst Baptist Church by Kevin Lawrence requesting rezoning of 1.65 acre from the DP District to the DP District to provide for a development consisting of six small dwellings, five two family dwellings, and a community center.

For all those intended to testify for or against this petition, please stand now to be identified.

Hopefully everybody has signed in.

Please raise your right hands.

Do you swear or affirm of the pennies of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth?

Say I do.

Thank you.

Petitioner, please come forward.

Let me uh walk through the rules of engagement.

Petitioner will have 15 minutes.

I will then come to the remonstrators who will have 15 minutes.

I will then go to staff.

Kathleen, I think this is yours.

Staff will give their presentation.

I'll then come back to the petitioner for a rebuttal of five minutes, and then I'll come back to the remonstrators for a rebuttal of five minutes, and then we will vote by ballot on the matter.

Please introduce yourself, address.

You're on the clock.

Go.

Thank you, President Dillon.

Members of the commission.

My name is Kevin Lawrence with Lewis Wagner and Trimble.

Offices at 11 1411 Roosevelt Avenue, Indianapolis, Indiana.

I'm here on behalf of Lynnhurst Baptist Church, the owner of the property at 1318 South Lynnhurst Drive in Indianapolis, as well as uh Sanctuary Indy, a local not-for-profit dedicated to addressing chronic homelessness.

We are requesting that the property at 1318 Lynnhurst be rezoned from the currently approved DP to an alternate DP with a modified site plan.

Again, as you similarly to the last petition, by way of background, this parcel is already zoned DP for a uh a microcommunity to address chronic homelessness.

We are simply here today because Sanctuary Indy has taken over that project and hopes to modify that plan from what was previously approved.

18 small homes for chronically uh homeless individuals to six small homes in phase one and then two multi-level duplexes and three larger duplexes in a later uh to be done in a later phase.

Sanctuary Indy does plan to maintain the approved community setting by retaining the plan for the 2000 plus square foot community center.

Um as with the goal of the prior approval, this project will to will work to address an urgent need in Indianapolis.

I feel like it's a broken wheel after the last petition, but um it's no secret that there is a need for additional permanent, safe and supportive housing for the chronically homeless in Indianapolis.

It's a problem that already exists in that community where this parcel is located, and this is an opportunity to address that concern in a forward-thinking, well-designed, well-prepared way.

Um let me delve a little bit into more about Sanctuary Indy and their partnership with the church where this uh right next to where this parcel is located.

Uh, this is not just a place for homeless individuals to congregate.

This is a community.

This will allow Sanctuary Indy to communicate continue the work that they already do out in the community, out in the streets, while addressing a major hurdle that they've run into, addressing long-term success for these individuals, which is permanent housing, sense of community, and a sense of self-worth.

This will be a gated community of residents who are vetted and individually selected by highly qualified team with on-site intensive services, both in the homes as well as at the adjacent church.

Uh and then what's unique, a little bit unique about this microcommunity is that it will contain a mission a missional residence, which is a full-time on-site service provider for residents.

Initial phase one willing will be six small homes.

One of those will be an employee of Sanctuary Indy to provide full-time uh services and care and and address the needs of the members of of that community.

Uh there's a little bit more information on the screen and the information that I've provided uh as I discussed.

The mentors live on-site, help to maintain safety, help residents adjust their new lives, missionals walk along the side to help them.

If you could go to the next slide, please.

As far as case management, Sanctuary Indy's team is already in place, is already experienced, and already has it uh has worked with individuals in these types of programs, uh, at just a number of individualized options that are available provided by Sanctuary Indy, it's very individualized, assess the needs of each tenant, develop a plan to work with that tenant, work hand in hand with them to coordinate with their providers.

Again, very intensive, very hands-on, very regular and frequent uh work with those people who are selected to be part of this community.

If you go to the next slide, please.

Uh community resources, these are partnerships with uh that Sanctuary Indy has with mental health providers, with life skill providers, financial coaches.

Uh these are just a number of them.

These are organizations that have committed to the Sanctuary Indy project and are willing and ready to give their services on a regular basis for the members of this community.

Next slide, please.

Here is, I believe you have this in your petition packet, but uh as I'll just address it shortly here.

Again, these six homes, these six small homes here, um, are part of a previously approved plan for this site.

Again, what will be changing and what we're requesting approval of is for a new site plan that will call for the duplexes to allow homeless families, chronic chronically homeless families to live uh in those duplexes as they're built in phase two.

If you go to the next slide.

Um, quality of the homes uh wants you to, of course, feel comfortable that uh they will be well that they will be quality homes and well taken care of here.

On the picture is this floor plan of the smaller duplex.

The the two-story duplex uh will be provided or built on volume odd standards, bit of an industry standard for these types of homes, and then on the next slide is will be a picture of the larger homes so that you can get a feel for the quality of the home that's going to be built, the homes that will be built in this community.

Um again, as I previously mentioned, there's also an integration with Lynnhurst Baptist Church.

Um there are services provided there, they're already provided and will be available to the members of this small community.

Um the project is in a great situation to have an immediately positive impact on the homeless population uh with services already available.

Phase one of construction is already funded and ready to go as soon as we get through the zoning process as well as the permitting process.

Umctuary Indy's commitment to holistic, high-quality supportive housing solution that is address is committed to high-quality supportive housing solution that addresses a vital community need.

So we would ask that you approve the modification, well, not the modification, the approval of the new BP DP, which simply looks to uh modify the types of homes that will be added in the second phase of the project questions for the petitioner.

I have some questions.

Mr.

Murphy.

Um what is the plan or the um program for ongoing maintenance repairs, capital improvements when they're needed?

Sure.

So maintenance and capital improvements will be all managed by uh Sanctuary Indy is the property manager, and then we've also uh agreed to enter into a commitment with the city that will be recorded that will ensure that it stays free of debris, that all of the landscaping is managed and taken care of.

And what's the source of funds for that ongoing maintenance and capital improvements?

So there are uh grants, Sanctuary India is a recipient of a number of grants, homeless initiative and outreach grants, as well as privately funded through fundraising efforts.

Is there on-site security beyond the missional member?

No.

And then with the approval in 2020, and it now being 2025.

Why wasn't it developed?

Uh Michelle uh Shelburne is the executive director of Indy Sanctuary Indy.

She maybe will address it sooner, but my understanding is that they couldn't secure the necessary funding, which we have.

Okay.

I have no other questions.

Other questions for the petitioner?

Yes, our president.

Commissioner Lyle.

Uh is Sanctuary Indy officed at this location.

I'm sorry.

Is there an office for Sanctuary Indy at this particular location?

Not at that location.

They they do have an office.

Ultimately, there is a goal to have a number of these communities, one in each quadrant to help address homelessness in each section of the city.

So they are centrally located in Indianapolis, but this is not just a one-off as part of a larger uh plan and greater aspirations.

Understood.

So just for my understanding of the phasing.

So phase one is the six tiny homes.

And phase two would be the community center and the duplexes.

Correct.

Yeah.

The six homes are part of the plan.

It's already zoned for 18 small homes.

Sure.

So we could build six now.

Um, but ultimately we wanted to come with a commitment to the whole community and deal with the alteration to the future homes at this at this initial phase.

What's the anticipated timeline for full project completion?

2027.

2027 is what I'm being told.

So we're doing uh initial concept, proof of concept with this community, and then moving into additional fundraising.

So at the end of 2027, phase one and two complete, or is that what is that what you're saying?

Correct.

Thank you very much.

Phase one is ready to be built now.

We have uh construction prepared.

We've we've we've December 4th is when we could move forward with construction in hopes of getting six and or up to 10 individuals in these homes by by winter.

And what about utilities at these tiny homes for homeless populations?

Are they what's the expectation on utility payments and that kind of thing for the homeless folks and that are actually housed in them?

That's all covered by Sanctuary Indy.

Um we're working through the permitting process now, obviously, for getting the utilities there, but they'll be individually, they'll have individual water electricity and all those things, and it's managed and handled by Sanctuary Indy through their funds.

Thank you.

Additional questions?

Question, please.

Yes.

What do you say to the neighbors whose concern seems to be centered around safety of all the safety of the neighbors and the safety of the people in your community?

Sure.

I would say I don't know that there's anything inherent in these individuals that will be in these homes that's any different of any other members of the community.

They're chronically homeless, and to be quite honest, they're they have more individual, immediate continual support than you know.

There are there's a mobile home to the south, there's a church to the north that's constantly addressing homeless issues on their properties to the back part.

I mean, this is a community that's ready built for it and prepared to deal with it, and I recognize that there are concerns about safety.

This isn't just, as I mentioned, a congregation spot for the homeless.

This is a intensive service provider who is vetting individuals and setting them up for success within this program.

I mean, these will be people who will live in their homes and and have and become part of a community and feel a sense of belonging and self-worth.

Um that certainly I think will is much better than the situation that that they're in now.

I mean, they're they're many homeless people wandering around the streets now, chronically homeless people wandering in the streets now, to who aren't given the opportunity and don't have the the resources that are being provided by Sanctuary Indy.

Sounds like you might say you're creating a more safe space overall.

That's the goal.

The Sanctuary Indy has been amazing.

They they go out into the streets every day, they understand the situation.

They're not just setting up a plan to get people in homes so they can uh uh toot their own horn.

They understand what it takes to prevent recidivism and get people moving and improve their lives, and that's what this community is meant to do.

Very good.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Remonstrators, please come forward.

And let me be clear as a group, you've got 15 minutes, so use your time to pass the baton if you're gonna have several speakers.

Please introduce yourself and your address.

My name is Kimberly Stewart.

I live at 1311 South Linders Drive.

I live directly across the street from the proposed one one more time in your name.

1311 South Lindhurst Drive.

In your name?

Kimberly Stewart.

Kimberly, got it.

Okay, Kimberly, go.

Like I said, I live directly across the street from the proposed tiny home community center development.

Um first I'd like to acknowledge and understand that that I respect the purpose behind this project to help individuals experiencing homelessness, find safety, stability, and hope.

Compassion and rehabilitation, I support.

However, I'm here this this afternoon expressing serious concerns about the location of this project and the impact it will have on a community that's already working hard to rebuild and revitalize itself.

I'm sorry.

This part of Lynnhurst is not a quiet suburb.

It's a working class area filled with auto shops, older homes that are fighting to stay afloat.

It's a neighborhood full of good hardworking people who take pride in what they have and who want to see their community turn around, thrive, and attract positive investment.

But the truth is it needs a facelift.

It needs revitalization, stronger infrastructure, and an economic boost to encourage growth.

We already face more and more than our share of challenges from higher crime rates, property vandalism to large transient population that often struggle without adequate services or oversight.

Instead of placing another high need housing development here, we need projects that beautify, strengthen, and uplift this neighborhood.

It's a high traffic corridor filled with business activity, and adding a transitional housing project and community center will only increase traffic noise and foot congestion, placing more strain on the area that is trying to establish a modern norm.

If this proposal moves forward, I respectfully ask what the city and the church will do to protect those of us living directly across from it.

How will you ensure the residents like me have privacy, security, and that our property values aren't pushed down even further?

Will there be fencing, adequate lighting, and 24-hour on-site supervision?

Because without those commitments and real accountability, the people who live here will bear the risks and the consequences.

For many of us, our homes are our single largest investment.

And even though it isn't high-income area, it is a community of people trying hard to make things better.

Poorly placed projects can drive down property values, discourage buyers, and send the message that our neighborhood is being used as a catch-all for problems the rest of the city doesn't want to face head on.

Would you want this to be right across the street from you?

Would you be concerned about your safety and the value of your home?

That's all I have.

Thanks, Kimberly.

Who's up next?

Please introduce yourself and your address.

Good afternoon.

My name is Christy Hayes.

I live at 5228 Chelsea Road.

I am basically 528 feet away from this place.

I do not want this.

The neighborhood does not want this.

Lyndhurst Baptist Church has kicked four homeless people off the property.

And I have a case right here that he put them in jail as a homeless.

Where are we getting the money for these homeless buildings?

What are we doing with the uh people like sickness?

Um they get help.

Are they gonna go to the hospitals?

We don't have hospitals around here.

Why don't they put them downtown where they can get the help?

Downtown, not where we are.

Because like people in our neighborhood, how many people are in our neighborhood wants this?

Can you guys please stand up?

Who's all opposed to it?

You can see I brought some friends.

I got more friends at home.

They cannot be here because they have to work or they're out of town.

I went out with some friends, petition, and you guys should have that in your guys' emails.

That I went and got petitions for this.

Christy, we've got the petitions.

Okay.

But you know, the skin, we don't want it.

Like my friend said, Do you want it in front of your house?

Where's our safety?

Where's my safety at?

And we had a homeless broken to one of my friends' house, and I think she was scared, and then he left.

Where's our safety?

Again, where's our safety?

That's all I have.

Thank you, Christy.

Who's next from the remonstrators?

Please introduce yourself and your address.

My name is Christy Poff.

I currently live at 8103 Grove Berry Way, Indianapolis.

I now live in Franklin Township.

As you know, Franklin Township had the um issue of having the data center for Google potentially moving into our area.

As you also know that there was a potential of AES having to hike our electricity rates, and we have also fought that and knocked that down.

As a homeowner, we don't want that either.

Now I know for this community, which I used to live in and used to work at the Lynnhurst Baptist Church as a preschool teacher.

I know for a fact that would not be wanted there either.

The electricity rates to run any type of a new compound, which is what this is being called, would hike up any community's electrical rates.

It would also raise the water rates, sewage rates, everything like that.

It takes a lot to run a new community.

Every homeowner in the area is going to suffer from that.

They don't want it.

I also had a former homeless person.

Um everybody in Indianapolis knows her.

She was in the news.

Um she was homeless for at least 17 years.

You all may remember her, her name was Bridget Brewer.

She was homeless due to identity theft.

She stayed on Fountain Square.

She has recently passed away, actually about a year or two years ago.

Um I know what she dealt with as being a homeless person.

She was beaten, she was raped.

She was robbed, even though she sat downtown selling crocheted items out in front of Starbucks just to hopefully be able to scrounge up money to buy a cup of coffee.

That's how homeless she was.

I see both sides of this homeless issue.

The premise of having uh homeless facility, homeless homes, is a wonderful idea.

And I commend the church and the sanctuary for wanting to build these homes.

I commend them for the idea behind this.

Necessarily the idea to put these homes, not such a great idea.

The crime rate in that area is already extremely high.

If you go back and pull crime watch reports, which I am also head of crime watch in my area, I can pull any kind of crime watch reports.

There are meth houses in that area.

Exploded, caught fire.

It is not a safe area.

The frog, the trailer park that the previous gentleman was speaking about, is known for having meth dealers in that trailer park.

There is a preschool that's inside of this church I used to work at.

That playground is going to be right on the other side of this compound.

This is not going to be a safe area for homeless individuals, regardless of what the status is that's bringing them into this homeless phase that they're in.

I know it's medical issues.

I heard from the um secretive informational meeting that they just had Monday night that these six individuals that are going to be in this pilot program for these new six homes, one has cancer, one has seizures, there's mental case, mental health issues that are in there.

Regardless of what these issues are, yes, these people need serious help, but they don't need to be in this area.

You don't need to bring additional issues that are gonna be in there.

You don't need these people looking over their shoulders going, oh my God, am I gonna have to worry about a meth health explosion exploding in the middle of the night?

I don't want to have to be in fear of that all night long.

Okay, so now are they gonna have to have security lights posted around this compound in fear of the criminals around them hopping over fences or whatever and breaking into their homes?

Are you actually gonna bring these people in here and really be in fear of their own lives that they're already having trauma issues over themselves?

This is not right.

And also, where's the funding coming from?

And if there's no additional on-site security 24 hours a day to help secure them, that's a problem.

Huge problem.

So what happens if the compound has a power outage?

What are their plans for it?

Are they gonna provide cell phones for these homeless people so they can call for help, especially if phase two is not built for their community center?

Um, what happens with the maintenance?

The gentleman said that the maintenance is going to be maintained by who the sanctuary for the grants, okay, but who's gonna be providing maintenance if they have a roof leak in the middle of the night?

Who's gonna be able to take take care of that?

The compound is going to be an issue for the community for property taxes.

What's it gonna do for their property taxes?

Indigo doesn't even have full plans on where their bus stop is going to be once they actually pull a bus stop down onto Lynnhurst Drive.

Otherwise, these homeless people are going to have to go out onto Washington in front of the Krogers to be able to get transportation to their medical appointments.

These are things that really have to be planned out and actually taken care of first.

Get all the ducts in the row before you start building.

And also, why are things so secretive?

You know, all of these informational meetings that are supposed to be going on at the church are supposed to be so open.

Where's all the flyers been at?

The church and/or the sanctuary are supposed to be going door to door handing out informational flyers, inviting the open community to these informational meetings.

I haven't been to that church since 2019 when I actually worked there.

Guess what?

I got an email on this.

An email.

And also, speaking of which, the individual who sent out the email.

They haven't spoken to them in a very, very long time.

And I've also been informed by an outside source that there's been individuals who work for the church that are against this project being done, but they've been told you're not allowed to sign this petition.

Otherwise, your job's in jeopardy.

What does that say about the church?

Godly church.

The one who's supposed to be helping the homeless.

What does that say?

They're not in it for them.

They're not in it for the God.

What does that say?

Whose pockets are being lined and why?

That's all I have to say.

Thank you.

Thank you, Christy.

Any other remonstrators?

Yes, ma'am.

Please introduce yourself and your address.

Good afternoon.

My name is Virginia Morphine.

I am I am the owner of 1305 South Bilmour Avenue.

The houses will be built right behind my backyard.

So I'm my concern is directly impact this project will be my own privacy and safety.

Allowing directly visibility into my backyard windows, which will interfere with the resonive resonable and enjoy my home.

All of which may negative affect safety and the payful environment of the area.

For this reason, I respectfully request that the board consider this project.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Questions for the remonstrators.

Thank you, President Dillon, members of the commission.

When a sign is zone DP, as has been stated, you specifically talk about what's permitted on there.

When this was rezoned back in 2020, it allowed for the 18 tiny homes, a community center, a storm shelter underneath the community center, a laundry facility within that community center, a parking lot, and a community garden.

When anything changes with a DP, you come back and you either rezone it or modify it.

In this case, it is being rezoned.

I know it sounds a little crazy from a DP to a DP.

But what's happening here is they're changing the typology of the housing.

There, as has been explained, rather than have 18 tiny homes throughout the community, there will now be six tiny homes, and then the rest will be duplexes for families.

Ultimately, there's going to be a reduction in the number of units from 18 down to 16.

And then also this will be in a two-phase development.

First will just be those six tiny homes, and then the second phase to follow as been explained, will be the community center, a parking and some additional parking, and the um the parking lot, and then uh the garden that they're also providing.

Staff understands there will be services provided, uh, supportive services provided uh as part of this.

That was at 2000 in 2020, that was going to occur within the community center, but apparently the Sanctuary India is going to be providing those services in the meantime until they get the community center built.

Again, uh staff supported the 2020 DP for the homelessness, and staff is supporting this change.

Again, it's just basically supporting a change from the tiny homes, 18 down to a combination of tiny homes as well as duplexes that would allow families.

With that, staff would be glad to answer any questions you might have.

Questions for staff.

Yes, sir, President Dillon.

Commissioner Lyle.

Thank you, Ms.

Kathleen, for that historical perspective.

Was there any reflection of remonstration from the previous um rezoning petition a couple years back?

That was done during COVID, and so I don't recall that there was.

I know there had been some remonstration letters that have been sent in, but I as part of because at that time it was all virtual, so it's difficult to compare and it's difficult to um gauge opposition from when we were dealing with COVID as opposed to right now.

Sure, thank you.

I'm just looking at that from a reduction in the unit count.

Yes.

Um, as well as is a change in the typology.

So that it sounds like with the larger units, there is a more of an emphasis on the long-term supportive housing for families.

Yes, instead of it being uh geared towards 18 individual units for likely single individuals.

Yes.

So that sounds like it does come with some sort of a family component to it.

Yes, it does.

Additional questions for Kathleen.

Hearing none petitioner, Mr.

Lawrence, you have five minutes on rebuttal.

I will then come back to remonstrators for five minutes.

Thank you, President Dillon.

Um, I would note that I apologize I didn't reach any additional materials that were provided yesterday.

Uh Sanctuary Indy has committed to place an indie go uh bus stop right in front of this parcel and had discussions with them at our meeting at at DMD Indigo was uh a member of that meeting, and we've committed to putting a bus stop once they bring their service down into that uh that part of the community.

Um I would note I would also like to note that uh Wayne County, Wayne Township trustee, Jeb Bardin has joined us in his sanctuary indie uh shirt to show support.

Uh with that, I would invite members of Sanctuary Indy up to address the concerns of the remonstrators as it relates to their concerns about homelessness.

Have you all been duly sworn?

I know.

Yes.

Great.

Please introduce yourself and the address.

Hi, I'm Michelle Shallber and I'm the founder and executive director of Sanctuary Indy.

My office address is 9031 East 16th Street.

Thank you.

Okay.

I am a seven-year individual member of the Continuum of Care for the City of Indianapolis.

I'm also a five organization Sanctuary Indy is a five-year member of the Continuum of Care for the City of Indianapolis.

We Sanctuary Indy, we're building a site over on the Far East side.

We would like to do one permanent supportive housing project in each quadrant of the city of Indianapolis when we were approached by Circle City Village saying that they were not able to acquire the financial needs that they had for doing the 18 tiny homes that they were doing at 1318 South Lynnhurst.

Following them for several years, I've always looked at that neighborhood as being a neighborhood for families.

Lynnhurst Baptist Church has a wonderful preschool program there.

They also have a community dinner that they do weekly, clothing and and food pantry, and they do they host AANNA meetings there weekly.

There's a playground right in between their church and our property that we are going towards.

What I hope to do was to take one of the approved microcommunities of six homes and build a model to be able to show Indianapolis what a great type of housing program this can be.

But I always saw the back of that property as being more for families.

As a member of the Continuum of Care, I know that as of last week, we had over 140 homeless families in Indianapolis alone.

We have 43 accounted chronically homeless families that are outside without their children right now.

We are providing duplexes that are two-bedroom and three-bedroom duplexes.

As far as the storm shelter needs our concerns go for both of our individual homes and our duplex homes, our our homes are stick built with concrete foundations.

So I'm not sure what the concern about that is.

Maybe they thought that they were going to be more trailers when the 18 tiny homes were there, but that's not what we're we are providing.

We've never considered ourselves or called ourselves a compound.

We are a community.

I guess I could see how those two words might get confused, but we are building a community for transportation, Indianapolis in Indianapolis.

We are a part of the professional blended street outreach program, and we are the only individuals that have a wheelchair accessible bus to assist with street outreach.

It is a sanctuary indie owned vehicle, and that will be the vehicle we will be providing for our tenants to get back and forth to needs.

For property management, our property manager will be in-house, making this much affordable, more affordable for us, and better for supportive housing needs for Indianapolis.

That property manager has been working in affordable housing for several years.

So I'm very sensitive to the environment that we are putting these homes in and the families that we're going to be providing safety for.

Safety and sustainability is at the highest priority for me.

As far as security, we will have security, and we'll talk about that a little bit more.

Thank you.

I have some questions.

So the remonstrators had some questions, concerns regarding uh fencing.

Can you please address that?

Yeah.

Fencing, lighting, and security.

So please introduce yourself.

Erica Schneider, I'm the Sanctuary Indy Advancement Director.

The address for our office is 9031 East 16th Street.

The master plan includes fencing around the whole project, also lighting.

We also have funding for video security, and there will also be on-site staff 24-7.

And then they also asked about funding, and I guess my question is in the current political environment of reduction in fund federal funding and grants for social services.

You had mentioned, or one of your uh representatives mentioned that the funding source is partly grants.

Do you have concerns about the continuity of those moving forward?

Because those I guess would be used for maintenance repairs, upkeep.

So right now we are mostly privately funded.

We have several major donors who have provided a significant percentage of our funding, who are very invested in this project and very invested in alleviating homelessness.

We are going out for grants, including the home grant and AHP loans for or grants for the second phase of funding.

The first phase is already fully funded.

Um the second phase, if we do not receive those grants, um we do have individuals and uh foundations that we have relationships with who have signaled that they would be open to um contributing more to see phase two completed.

So, in addition to the construction completion, I'm talking about funding for ongoing maintenance repairs and whatnot.

Yeah, we have that built into our budget as a part of private fundraising.

And what your primary source for that is private fundraising?

Correct.

I have no other questions.

Any additional questions for the petitioner, Commissioner Lyle?

Yes, sir.

Go ahead.

Uh, just a quick question about and it's program related, but is there any um turnover in the clients that you serve?

Is are what's the time frame that the house will be occupied by a particular individual and or family?

Is it meant to be permanent so that they would live there ongoing?

Is there uh what's the mechanism to turn that property over should something happen with that individual or family where they would move, or is there a force to be exit, like those types of program questions?

So this is permanent supportive housing, and the individuals that we house can live in these homes for as long as they desire.

Um we are for the second phase going to be asking for rent.

The rents for the first phase are covered by Wayne Township.

They have offered to cover those rents for the second phase of the duplexes.

Um we are likely gonna be using HUD vouchers, which require 30% of the person's income to be paid for rent.

So there will be evictions if folks are unable to supply 30% of their income.

And again, that's adjusted based on what their income is, it's not a set level.

Um so we are hoping for zero evictions based on the accessibility of that rental rate.

Um, if folks are able to secure permanent um job placements, if folks are able to find affordable housing, they are welcome to leave the premises.

Um we are not holding them, it is not an institution.

Um, but that slot is not intended for regular turnover.

So tell me a tell us a little bit about how the tenure of a resident contributes to the idea of safety for the neighborhood and the surrounding neighbors over here on the remote side.

I will say I appreciate the concern that these folks have shared.

Um, my daughter's five months old and she goes to daycare at Lynnhurst Baptist Church.

And so I am personally invested in the safety and security of that plot of land and the surrounding community.

Um I will say that in terms of what we are the model that we are based off of, we look at organizations like community first village, which is in Austin, Texas.

They have about 500 individuals who are formerly homeless in a similar model, and they have had zero crimes perpetrated by their community on the outside community.

There have been attempts at violence by the outside community on that inside community, but they are also gated and have 24-7 out uh staff and video security, and so we are following that model to ensure the safety of our residents and our staff, but also as um as you indicated, the idea that these folks are going to be permanently housed here increases their investment in the community.

Um we have uh talked with the church about doing weekly dinners, uh partnering with other churches to have weekly community dinners on other days, vocational training, um, just socializing to be able to get to know neighbors.

So these folks living here are intended to become members of this neighborhood, and based on the fact that they are homeless and they may already be residents of this neighborhood but living unhoused.

Yeah, okay, thank you very much.

These sound great.

Are these enshrined into any sort of written commitment from the organization to the neighbors?

That's a great question.

This is something that um you know, Pastor Ben, who's here who's uh the pastor for Lynnhurst Baptist Church has been a great partner in doing community outreach and having these regular public meetings.

Um and we can take that under advisement to think about having some sort of community um guidelines and community agreements to make sure that everyone is living harmoniously.

Thank you.

Final questions, Commissioner Schumacher.

You talk about excuse me, you talk about a HUD requirement that kicks in at some point where they would have to pay 30% of their rent.

Am I right about that?

So um for the six tiny homes, um, we are personally selecting these residents, which means they're not eligible for HUD vouchers because we are not taking the top priority on the list for the city for the continuum of care.

Um for the duplexes, we are intending to work with the city to identify those folk, those families who are most in need and use that prioritization list, which means they would be eligible for that HUD funding.

Um, but for the duplexes, we are gonna pursue those vouchers in our current plan.

And so from day one, um, they would be aware that 30% of their income is slated for rent.

Bruce, I can give you a little more detail on that.

So the way that program works is they would never pay more than 30% of their income, but the voucher could cover 100% of their rent if they have no income.

Well, what I was gonna ask is if they're going to have income, they'd have to have a job, and do you guys help them with that piece?

Okay, so the folks that we're talking about are chronically homeless, meaning they have a diagnosed disability and have been unhoused for 12 plus months.

So many of these folks may not be able to pursue full-time labor.

Um many of them are elderly seniors, uh, many of them have significant mental or physical deficits where um finding steady work may not be in their future.

Um, for those folks, they receive some of them disability income, VA income, SSI, things like that.

And so the 30% also counts towards their fixed income that they might receive from benefits.

Um, but in terms of your your vocational training question, we are um some of those service providers that were listed on that screen, do help support folks who are able-bodied and able to seek employment to find those opportunities.

Thank you.

Final questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Kimberly, Christie, Christie, who wants to give the clothes for the remonstrators.

Thank you so much for your guys' for time.

I I do appreciate that.

Um, just to let you know, I am actually a mother of four.

And as I said earlier, I'm head of Crime Watch in my area, where I live actually in Wanamaker, behind the Wanamaker Post Office is an extremely high crime area.

And I do know about fences and where they do not keep individuals out.

If crime is in the area, they're gonna do it.

I have teenagers who crime our HOA swimming pool just to get in to do whatever they want to the pool, demolish it.

So I do know that just because it's a fence, it's not gonna keep people out.

Where they want to go, they're gonna go.

So don't think that any fence is gonna keep somebody out or a security camera.

Doesn't matter.

In my neighborhood, I had in August over 50 um car break-ins, and it was all done by teenagers.

So I absolutely know what crime does, who the individuals will be doing it.

So I know that bringing in new people, eyes are open.

Everybody knows, hey, there's new meat in the area.

We know what's going on.

We know there's gonna be TVs, there's gonna be valuables in that home.

I don't care if it's gated community, I don't care if it's a compound.

I don't care if there is a mound, which is if you look at one of those slide pictures, it shows and what we were told at the Monday meeting.

There's a mound, a raised mound on one side, and a gate on the other side.

That's what a compound is.

Granted, they can come and go as they please.

So really think long and hard about this, folks.

This is not a good thing.

Not a good thing at all.

And really look at the petitions that you have signed and really think how many homeowners are in that area that have been there for 10, 15, 20 plus years, and seriously think about what that home property value is gonna be doing.

It's gonna drop that.

Think about what the utility rates are gonna be doing.

Think about that data center out there in Franklin Township, and you know what it was on on the news.

Really think about this.

It doesn't work.

I know you can look at all of the models out of Texas, out of Florida, out of Michigan, and high crime areas.

Looks good on paper, looks great on paper, looks good on a computer simulation.

Look at what IMP, IMPD actually is willing to do in this subdivision in this neighborhood, which is not a lot.

Trust me.

IMPD doesn't want to respond to hardly anything anymore.

Now you're going to bring more sick people into this area.

They're not going to respond to calls.

They're not going to help people out, especially knowing they're homeless.

I and PD is not going to help anybody out.

Nope.

I am not going to do a call out there.

This is not a good idea.

The location is not a good idea.

The idea behind it, yes, is a good idea.

Move the location someplace else, not in this neighborhood.

Yes, I do.

Just not the location.

Thank you.

Christy, can you give me the little slips before you leave?

Yes, ma'am.

The three of them.

Okay, thank you.

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you.

Kathleen, final position from staff.

Again, staff is recommending approval of this uh rezoning to allow that change in housing typology.

Thank you, everybody, for participating in this hearing.

Members of the commission, please go to your ballots.

A yes passes the petition, a no defeats the petition.

Petition 2025 ZON 113, Vinhurst Baptist Church.

There were eight ballots cast.

There are eight yes votes, no no votes.

This petition has been approved.

Your petition has been approved.

Thank you, everyone, for participating.

That brings us to the end of our hearing.

Can I get a motion to adjourn?

Thank you.