Good afternoon, everyone.

We have an agenda.

So we'll go ahead and get started.

So I'm calling the uh today's Marion County Community Corrections Advisory Board and Local Justice Reinvestment Advisory Council meeting to order and to begin.

If we would go around and just um do a role starting with Miss Sandra, Sandra Harden with Marion County probation.

Uh Paige Bova, Mary Superior Court.

Colonel Martin Mark County Rosalovs.

Bailey Renchie, Board Counsel.

Jeffrey Marshall, Marin Superior Court 31.

Melanie Kendrick, Marion Superior Court 22, Family Division.

Dan Chuckini, Marion County Prosecutor's Office.

Shizna Coman Miller, Mental Health Representative.

Excellent.

And I am Carlette Duffy, CFO to the Office of Public Health and Safety.

The first item on our agenda is consideration for our for approval for the February 2026 meeting minutes.

We receive them electronically and a hard copy.

Can I get a motion to approve?

So having a first and second.

See none.

All those in favor of approving the minutes.

Any opposed?

The minutes are approved.

Awesome.

Next on the agenda is Marion County Sheriff's Office.

Calendar Year 2027 budget presentation for the Indiana Department of Corrections grant application submission request.

Grant coordinator, Emily Groff, and Chief Financial Officer Callent Card will be presenting.

Just me today.

Hi, how's everyone doing?

Good.

So today I'm here for the sheriff's office.

We're requesting board approval to fund an enrollment specialist in the ADC to help eligible individuals enroll in benefits and connect with community providers after release.

This would improve the continuity of care and it supports successful re-entry.

On the collaboration plan, we have some more details as to exactly what they do, but generally they would work with 18-year-old inmates charged with or convicted of a felony with mental health substance use disorder or co-occurring disorders and incarcerated for 30 days or longer just to ensure that they have full care provided.

And then we would partner with Health Health and Hospital Corporation.

And then when applicable, covering kids and families to activate their Medicaid enrollment.

And then with this, we can continue to enhance our re-entry services in addition to our behavioral management program as well.

Are there any questions?

Excellent.

So moved.

Second.

Having a first and second.

All those are is there any discussion?

No discussion.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Any abstentions?

So we have which I didn't vote.

I I know this.

I don't want to make it clear to everybody else that he abstained.

Colonel Martin's stained.

So the motion passes.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Thank you so much.

Next on the agenda will be Marion County Alternative Courts.

So the veterans and mental health court for their calendar year 2026 performance measurements and their 20 year 2027 budget presentation and Indiana Department of Corrections grant application submission.

Hi, Judge.

Hi.

Okay, so I will start with uh the 2026 performance measures.

We're requesting permission to submit those to DOC.

Um for the mental health courts, we're gonna focus on um continuing to utilize therapeutic adjustments and interventions in 2026, um, continue to graduate participants from the program and continue to enroll and participate enroll participants.

Our goals really aren't different from 2025 because we're really in a maintenance phase right now.

We're actually on a wait list for both of the programs.

We're not looking to really expand right now due to funding.

Um, we're just looking to maintain what we're doing, and so that's where our performance measures come from.

So I'll stop there before we go on to the um grant application, see if there's any questions about the performance measures.

Anyone thank you?

Feel free to move forward.

Okay, so then um the second request we have is to submit our calendar year 27 uh grant application to DOC.

Um, we're asking for the same funding that we received uh this year in 2026.

The only difference is we're asking to move some of the funds from uh series 300 uh to series 100 to support a potential increase in the probation officer salary as well as um an anticipated increase in fringe that we think will come through, um, but nothing else has really changed from our requests that we had this year.

Excellent.

Thank you.

Any are there any questions?

Oh same, we move forward, please.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Do you want me to go ahead and do veterans court or did we okay?

So then for uh the veterans court, I'll talk about our performance measures again.

We're talking about enrolling participants using therapeutic adjustments and graduating participants.

I will say that um our goals for this year is to increase the number of graduates.

Last year we kind of had a slight decrease, um, and that was uh due to some issues with keeping a probation officer and having to go on a wait list again.

Um, but I think we're we're gonna be able to increase those numbers.

Um so that is our focus for 2026.

Let's see if there's any questions about those performance measures.

Excellent.

Any questions?

Okay, and then for the calendar year 27 Veterans Court grant application.

Um we are asking for 24,406 dollars more than we received this year.

Um that is because we received funding this year for two probation officers, but only one of those officers um we have funding for fringe benefits.

We did not get fringe for the second officer, and so moving forward we would need benefits for that individual.

So that's why our uh request is more in 2027.

Excellent.

Any questions?

Excellent.

Okay.

Um, so um, can I get a motion to actually can we do one motion to cover the entire presentation?

Perfect.

Okay, so this motion will be to approve um the performance measures measurements, um, the budget presentation for IDLC in both um or not, I'm sorry, so the grant applications for IDOC for both mental health court and veterans court.

So um, can I get a motion to move?

Second.

Having a person second, um, all those in favor?

Hi.

Any opposed?

Anyone need to abstain?

No, great.

The motion passes.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Next on the agenda will be the Marion County alternative courts.

So our diversion and re-entry courts for their 2026 performance measures and their 2027 budget presentations for the Indiana Department of Corrections application.

Joy Treatment Court, Jeffrian is hello, sir.

Welcome back.

Thank you.

Hello, everyone.

I'll do my performance measures first.

Uh for drug treatment court, we're basically looking at pretty much keeping things the same.

We uh we enrolling because we're at capacity and we have a wait list as well.

Oh uh, so we're just looking at enrolling 50 new clients graduating 27.

We did 25 last year, and then trying not to terminate no more than 20 clients.

We did terminate 21 last year.

So we'll try to hang on to summary a little bit longer.

So when you say terminate, they did not finish successfully.

Yes.

Okay.

Neither could have picked up a major felony case that we cannot take.

They could have taken off.

We have no idea where they're at.

Um, so yeah.

Okay.

Are there any additional questions?

Okay, you can feel free to move forward or three entry court.

Register court's basically the same thing.

We're gonna uh try to enroll 50 new clients.

We did 48 last year.

Uh graduate 30.

We did graduate 27 last year and terminate no more than 25.

We terminated 26 last year.

Oh well, that's not good that they terminate, but it's good that you graduated 30.

Excellent.

Any additional information or questions?

Okay.

So I'll so can I get a motion to pass for the both the performance measurements and the grant submissions for re-entry court and for um drug court.

Second.

Having a person second, all those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Any needing to abstain.

Motion passes.

Thank you, sir.

And then for our DOC grants, uh for drug court, we're basically asking for the same thing that we got last year, which is salary and fringe for our three case managers, and then additional money for subs or drug strengths.

Okay, so and then basically it's the exact same thing for rentry court for three case managers salary fringe and for drug screens.

So technically we already approved it.

Sorry.

So we would no, I thought you was all me.

So we will do it just one more time just for everyone knows that we did, in fact, approve this.

So all the so we're just gonna vote since everyone we already had the motion on the floor.

So everyone that is in favor.

Perfect.

It's approved.

Okay, thank you.

Again, maybe they'll give you twice the money.

That would be nice.

Yes.

Next on the agenda is the Marion County Community Corrections um 2027 budget presentation for the Department of Corrections grant application submission request.

And that is our chief financial officer, Justin Garcia, and our executive director, Scott Holt.

Thank you.

Uh good afternoon.

Uh so here to request um approval for our 2027 community corrections and and justice reinvestment grant submission.

Uh our total request comes out to 7,200, 315.13 cents.

That includes uh an increase for cost of living allowance, health insurance increases for staff, uh an eight percent increase for contracted vendors, and in total it makes up about 32 percent of uh the agency's overall budget.

Uh when we submit this grant, we have to do it in two parts.

So the first part is our community supervision, which is our electric electronic monitoring division, and then the second part is our our work release division.

So the first division, our community supervision division.

We are requesting, and these are on the sheets that look like this.

So the community supervision request is for $4,333,196.11.

Uh this totals about 60% of our total request.

It covers uh 46 of 150 positions in that in that department.

Personnel accounts for about 87% of the request.

Uh the remainder covers a small portion for electronic monitoring or electronic monitoring contract and a small portion for supplies.

The second uh request, the work release request, is a total of 2 million 867, 119.2 cents.

Uh this is 40 percent of the total request.

It covers 27 of our 53 positions out at Duvall.

Uh personnel accounts for about 68 percent of the request.

Uh there's also the additional request uh includes contracts out at Devolve, which are our food services, medical services, substance use of drug testing, uh employment assistance, and a small portion for supplies.

Any questions about either uh request?

Yes, ma'am.

Good afternoon.

Um, what is the difference between um in dollar amount from 2026's request to 2027?

Our request or what we were actually given.

What you were actually asking for.

So what you so what you were given in 26 and the difference of what you were asked for.

This year's request is actually a little less than last year's request.

Okay.

Last year, I don't know if it knows if the board remembers.

Last year, I don't know if it knows if the board remembers last year we were requesting additional funds uh for correction officers based on a move the sheriff's department had made with uh their their salary structure basically that obviously was not that was not approved um but that was in our request last year so it is a little less uh just based on that that change.

Okay, and then what's the difference between what you actually did receive last year and what you're requested?

So uh pretty significant amount.

So we uh we received just over six million last year, and our request was I believe like seven point three million okay.

Um can I keep going?

Yes, Mayor, okay.

So given the this state that we know that there's gonna be some cuts for DLC, and you're asking for a little over a million more.

What would be your remedy if you don't receive that additional amount?

I mean our hope is to stay whole, obviously, to receive what we received last year.

Uh if not, we'll have to factor that in into our budget as we we start looking at the county's budget um and and what we're requesting there.

Let me chime in real quickly on this.

Um statewide uh for the DOC grant, we know there was another seven million dollar reduction.

Uh so what we do not know yet is what that impact will be on each county.

In the past, um the Department of Corrections has usually not let us know till June, which is obviously pushing up to the the date of our county budget submission.

As an association, we have been pushing them very hard to get that information much sooner.

Um last year's cut um already impacted a number of counties in a very negative way.

Obviously, we felt some of that.

Certainly our partners with the sheriff, the prosecutor, probation, and the courts all felt it more than than our agency specifically.

Um, but it there are other counties that that lost people and cut programming and and some pretty significant things.

Right now, not knowing what that cut is, it's you know, it's obviously hard to gauge.

We feel pretty comfortable though, unless it is a very significant number, and I don't know what the I can't tell you what that would have to be, probably in the neighborhood of over half a million.

But uh short of that, we feel like with our numbers the way they are, um we will be able to absorb any cut through we don't have quite as many meals being eaten out at Duvall, so our our food costs are a little bit lighter than they have been.

Drug testing has been a little bit lighter, um the electronic monitoring, we have some wiggle room on the the number we budgeted for uh a potential high number of devices, so we have some flexibility there where we would be able to absorb a bit of a cut.

Um beyond that, it then it's going to impact training and development dollars, um, which we as an agency obviously feel very strongly about.

Last month we talked a lot about the efforts we've put into developing staff, and and I feel like that investment has served this agency very well, but that's the first thing that would have to get cut.

Follow that.

Yes, ma'am.

Um so with the cuts that you received last year, was the county able to make it where you were able to fill your budget?

Okay, so those cuts were from the county side or the DOC grant state whole, so we didn't take any cuts on the state.

Right, yeah, the partners.

You just weren't able to do the increases that you wanted to do, is that correct?

With last year's okay.

And so how is your budget looking so far for this year?

I know you said you've had some less meals or what what have you?

Um so are are you looking to be um on task for this year, and would you with those cost of living increases, those type of things be able to be absorbed in the county budget if you're if you do get cut or you don't receive this seven million from DLC?

Uh potentially, I mean we have a lot of like mounting cost out at Deval, just stuff breaking, um stuff needing repaired, replaced.

Um those costs, especially this month have star started to hit us pretty hard.

Um that's our biggest uh weakness, I guess, is is DeVall and just the structure and the facility itself.

So this is the ongoing conversation that I've had with the controller's office.

Um it's a 20-plus year old building, and at this point, um it it's not just maintenance and upkeep on the building.

Um we've had another air unit go out.

We've got to replace a significant part on a boiler.

Um we've got a generator that has to be replaced.

That those three things just happened in the last 10 days.

Yeah.

Um, and and we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars.

So that is going to have a budget impact.

We were able to secure some dollars at the end of 2025, um, working with the controller and purchasing to be able to put towards some building fixes out there.

So those dollars have been encumbered and are in place to be able to do that.

But if this continues, I mean it it's going to eat into the budget, and and it it may mean uh it may mean for the first time us having to go in front of council at the end of the year and ask for an additional appropriation to cover those expenses.

This is my argument for a new facility.

I mean, at this point, we're putting good money after bad.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Seeing none, um, can I get a motion to approve the uh grant application for um community corrections for both work release and for um the community supervision?

So moved.

Having the first and a second, um is there any discussion on the motion?

Hearing none.

Um all those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Any needing to abstain?

The motion passes.

Thank you.

Next on the agenda will be um the grant collaboration plan presentation for um 2027 for um kind of giving corrections.

I think everyone received a copy of this, if not elect at least electronically.

Um Marion County receives a total grant award from DOC.

Each agency then receives an individual individual amount based on their request.

Um there was some changes to this year's county collaboration plan.

Uh probably the main change being um Marion County Prosecutor's Office and Marion Superior Court Probation Department uh did not submit applications, so they were removed uh from the from the collaboration plan.

The collaboration plan basically describes how all the listed agency will will work together with the use of those grant funds in each agency uh is to include a copy of the board's approval of letter with their request.

Any questions about the uh collaboration plan?

Are there any questions?

Excellent.

Can I get a motion um to pass or to approve, I'm sorry, the collaboration plan set by community corrections, community corrections team.

Um first and second, is there any discussion on the motion?

Um all those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed any needing to abstain?

And the motion passes you.

That bad we don't have to worry about anybody trying to uh copy our handwriting.

My son is studying forensics, and he actually had to that was part of his class he's going on right now is how to uh forge signatures, and yes, he said that I'm safe.

Okay, so our next on our agenda is um community correction updates by Director Scott Hole.

Good good afternoon, everyone.

Uh a few quick things.

One, I I believe at the last meeting we discussed that we as an agency are looking at reviewing our contact standards and the ability to expand the use of virtual visits.

Um we are uh working on a Bureau of Justice Assistance Grant at this time and hopefully submitting that in the near future uh in order to help us do some of the research.

Um what we want to be able to do is is obviously not just randomly decide we're going to do this, but use the data based on alerts uh generated from the monitoring devices to say right now our contact standards are based on the risk assessment.

What we want to be able to do is is obviously not just randomly decide we're going to do this but use the data based on alerts generated from the monitoring devices to say right now our contact standards are based on the risk assessment and the reality is that someone could be uh high risk but if they're doing everything that they need to do we aren't getting a lot of alerts and and they're doing well they don't maybe need to come in as as often as prescribed by the the risk assessment so really moving to behavior based so looking at those alerts and that's telling us whether they are in compliance and doing the things that they need to do.

So trying to uh pull some dollar grant dollars to help us really dig into that and and do kind of data analysis that it's very difficult for us to do individually in-house so working on that and and hopefully by this time next month we'll be able to to say whether we got that grant or not to be able to move forward any questions on that second thing this has been a topic for this board probably three different times now and we we move forward with it and then it falls off when I say it falls off it's really on me that I mean we I just have not gotten this across the finish line but we are going to move forward again with the empower app which is the survivor phone based app for domestic violence cases I will be presenting this to Krim term next week to make them aware of this I will be reaching out to the prosecutor's office specifically Linda Major after this meeting the the app hasn't changed where where we've had the breakdowns is everyone is stretched thin from a resource standpoint and how do we how do we meet with the survivors that that are interested in participating and and want that app put onto their phone and and sign up for the program I know the prosecutor's office is stretched thin we don't really have contact with the with you know the survivors so that's not a role that we have ever played however track group our our vendor who actually provides this app as well made me aware that when they started this program in in the state of Washington specifically in uh King County in Seattle they started off by doing the the hookups themselves as an as a as a company and so we will be presenting that to Krim Term as the option to at least get this up and running I am kind of treating this a little bit as kind of a field of dreams if we build it they will come I think if we can get this up and running and show the value of of this application that we would be able to move that away from from track group having to to do those hookups and find a better way maybe through one of our domestic violence partners in the community but I think we need to show that value first so this is the path we're going to start with it would we still need to work through all the logistics but the the short the the Cliffdotes version is that the Vic survivors would be able to go to track group's office walk through the entire application process just downloading the app onto their phone explain how the the process works you know what the protocols would be as far as setting the you know they would set the the radius you know of the kind of the protection zone and and go forward from there we would be doing just the monitoring piece and and to be clear we would not be monitoring and for those I know several members of the board are newer or some are since we've talked about this the Empower app for the the easy explanation is a mobile exclusion zone.

So as opposed to putting that zone around an individual's house where certainly they may live but are not there 247 this puts that protection zone around the individual regardless of where they go throughout the community and through their phone and it is voluntary so the the individual has to choose to want to do that and in it has been very successful in a number of other jurisdictions but in no jurisdiction do they have a hundred percent cooperation on this there are a number of survivors who choose not to participate and that is completely up to them but it is downloaded on their phone you know we set the parameters for for how wide that zone is around them and then again we're not monitoring the the survivor but if the individual the um you know the defendant on that case gets close to that that individual to that zone we're alerted we are able to make contact with the survivor then alert them to to the situation and should the individual the defendant not move away from from that individual we're able to contact law enforcement just like we would if they were going into any uh exclusion zone around a house so we are going to move forward with that I at the end of the meeting I'm going to give you each just it's a little one pager uh it's a very you know short description of of how the program works and again um we will not start I will reach out to Linda with with the prosecutor's office to get her additional information

And should the individual the defendant not move away from that individual, we're able to contact law enforcement just like we would if they were going into any uh exclusion zone around a house.

So we are going to move forward with that.

I at the end of the meeting, I'm going to give you each just it's a little one-pager, uh, it's a very you know short description of of how the program works.

And again, um we will not start, I will reach out to Linda with with the prosecutor's office to get her additional information.

Um we will certainly not move forward before um speaking with crimter, um, but then my intention is to start working out the logistics with track group on how to set up the the space uh to allow survivors to go and get that set up and and we'll keep everyone informed on uh a go live date after we have the abil everything lined up and and everyone is made aware.

So we're still looking at probably a month or two out just to be able to reach out to everyone and get any feedback from from partners that may have questions or concerns.

Um but I know that in speaking with Domestic Violence Network, uh the Indiana Coalition Against Domestic Violence, those two groups in particular, they are very eager for us to move forward with this.

Um so we will uh try to get this done this time.

Excellent.

Any questions on that?

Is this something that potentially like one of the victim advocates for either say the prosecutor's office or IMPD could work with you guys on behalf of the victim to get things set up so that the victim doesn't have to be maybe involved in that initial piece of it?

Yeah, that we have we've had that kind of initial conversation.

I I think uh I don't want to speak for for Linda with with the prosecutor's office, but I think there's a little bit of trying to figure out how this actually works.

So again, getting this up and running, they'll be able to see how that process works, and then I just know that their staffing is stretched.

And and so uh again, I think they need to see how this looks in reality as opposed to on paper to know how they would be able to potentially ramp that up.

And and it may not be IMPD of the prosecutor's office, it could be um the other our other partners, you know, in this field, you know, domestic violence network, Indiana Coalition, Julian House, um, where they're able to you know take over that role.

So I think there are different options.

I think it's it's a little bit too conceptual at this point.

I think everyone needs to see what this actually looks like in reality, and then I think we can, like I said, I think at that point we'll be able to figure out a long-term solution.

Excellent.

Any questions?

Um last thing before I I bring up a JRAC issue is um I I just want to I guess this is kind of a little bit of a follow-up to our board meeting last month where we kind of talked about 2025 and some of our numbers and and our accomplishments.

Um so I wasn't I wasn't necessarily going to bring this issue up and until um I thought about this a little bit more.

But uh a couple weeks ago I was at the American Probation Parole Association.

Uh their their winter conference uh down at Atlanta.

Um, and and typically, you know, the first session, uh the opening session, they have a keynote speaker that comes and speak.

Um I was actually humbled to be asked to be part of a eight-person panel that presented to that opening session.

Um the reason I bring this up is there were um well over 200 years of experience on on that stage.

Um the chief probation officers from Cook County, from San Francisco, from the state of Massachusetts and South Carolina, the chief of pardons and paroles for Texas and Georgia, and a district court judge from from Texas as well.

So by no means was I on that panel because of my years of experience.

Uh in fact, we I as a group we all kind of joked about the fact that I added about a nickel to that that um that total number.

Um, but I'm absolutely convinced that the reason I was asked to be on that panel and participate is because of the good work that this agency has done and and those numbers and and the accomplishments that we highlighted at that last meeting.

So I I think I I bring that up just to say, you know, I think the work we've been doing is being recognized not just around here with partners that we work with, but but nationally as well.

So I was very humbled to to be able to represent Marion County Community Corrections and participate in that conversation.

The other big accomplishment at APA APPA was uh Kyle Michler, who's not able to be here, but we mentioned that last month, but he did finish his uh graduation last uh the there and so is a now the most recent graduate of their leadership institute, and that gives us three now uh as an agency.

So um the other thing that um is gonna be kind of a focus of mine that came out of that that panel discussion and conversations with uh those uh those leaders is um and it's something that I intend to to talk about with crimter as well, is really moving from cooperation to collaboration.

I absolutely believe we have a tremendous amount of cooperation um between all of our partners here in Marion County.

Um collaboration's kind of that that next step though, and and our moderator used the example the the difference from bad to good is a mile, but the difference between good to great is five miles uphill, and and I think we and Marion County we're doing a good job with this, um, but I think there is room for improvement and um I want to do what I can to try to to move that forward and and take those conversations that we had there and and see where we can go with it.

So any questions on that, although that was really more of a soliloquy than a anything else.

Um the last thing I have is just an FYI.

It is time for our annual JRAC report, which I compile.

So what I will be doing is sending everyone a after this meeting a document that's just the report survey.

Um we'll get that out to everyone.

I will have kind of filled out all the parts that I am able to on my own.

I will highlight any sections from particular agencies that I may need um particular feedback or highlight sections that this body can provide their own thoughts, concerns um on those particular questions, but I will get that out and so expect to see that and um we'll try to get it done.

Um the idea would be to compile compile everyone's feedback between now and the next meeting and then have that in order to just vote on it and submit it to uh the state supreme court.

Excellent.

So for um everyone's update um House Bill 1033.

Is that right?

Yes, 1033.

Um was signed into law, and that um House Bill restructures JRAC.

Um so uh we're still trying to figure out and navigate what that looks like in the sense that um now the chair of JRAC will be the chief just chief judge.

Presiding chief yes used to be presiding judge, now it's chief judge.

Well, yeah, the chair.

So um so Scott, myself, um we've been in communication via email with Judge Rottenberg to figure out what that it looks like and how this that moves forward in the future.

So with that information may have to go to the judge to um I'll I'll need to read the instructions a little bit more closely.

I mean we would be obviously the report is on on 2025, so it would be speaking to everything, but I do think there may be some questions related to moving forward into 2026.

So certainly um I will add Judge Rothenberg to um all of this.

Um we've kind of already added him to the list.

So we'll we'll get that to him as well if nothing else for his awareness.

Excellent.

Yeah.

Excellent.

Any questions?

Awesome.

Thank you, sir.

Yep.

Yes.

This may be too early.

Can you turn your mind on please?

Of course, this may be too early, but it's if Judge Rottenberg chairs J RAC, is J Rack still staying here?

Is it going back to the That's the question?

Is it going back back up?

I mean, it it couldn't I I don't know originally the question was does JRAC combine with CJPC?

Which is the criminal justice planning council, or does it combine with the community question advisory board?

In either instance, there's gonna he the whoever is chief judge is going can't be chair of the other two committees.

So all right, yeah, we might be shifting again during the media, I don't think I told you maybe too early.

I was just curious.

No, that is something that we have been discussing um in terms of what this looks like.

Um I asked um Judge Rockenberg that and he also is like he's not really sure how we're going to maneuver.

So we're taking it one step at a time.

Um because this is um something that went into effect immediately.

So it is in effect right now.

So um yeah, yeah, it's uh interesting situation.

And um, for anybody that might be watching it at home, you might want to read up on it.

So just saying, um Amy, is there anything else anyone wants to provide?

Then we are a jerk.

Well, wait, oh I'm sorry, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Um I was reading this, but I had one question is if the victim's phone is it does the phone have to be active in terms of battery.

So if the battery dies, does this monitoring die with the battery?

Actually, I'll have to I'll have to ask the vendor about that because they they have similar to the the uh actual electronic monitoring devices when it when it says the battery is dead, there's kind of a shadow signal that we still get off of those.

I'm probably sharing a little too much, but um so there may be that possibility as well.

I will I'll have to ask and find out for sure.

Does it does it store different location data?

It doesn't well, I mean they would be a good able to track it on the back end, yes, and and pull that information.

We don't have access to to like just easily track where again we're not tracking uh that individual.

We're able to we're only seeing them when the defendant gets within a certain proximity, then it will ping up as well, showing oh, this is where you know Scott is uh as opposed to to the defendant.

So um, so we're not track actively tracking them.

No.

And it's the zone, right?

So if a victim went to Florida for spring break and the heat followed her there, it wouldn't pop up in her phone because that's not the zone, unless she added it.

No, it yeah, if she adds it, yes, we we would be able to see her regardless, just like we can see the the defendants, you know, if they they keep their device charged and all that and they cross state lines for whatever reason, we would still be able to monitor them.

So if everyone kind of has their device on them and and you know working appropriately, they could be in Florida, they could be in Hawaii.

We we would still be able to see that clear clarification on that we can.

So this is not just the zone that's already in like around their house, right?

If they decide to go to Kroger, right?

That that's a that's a mobile zone that's yeah, okay.

And and the intention right now is to not do away with it um exclusion zones, so we would still put those around the individual's home or workplace or wherever it's already currently designated.

Um I do think when we we would want to you know run this for some period of time, I see in the future us not needing to do that because the the zone is always going to be around that person uh if they electric if they elect to be on there and then be redundant.

How how does the person wearing the ankle bracelet know that the protected person's at Kroger they well so they wouldn't know they wouldn't necessarily know if but they wouldn't if they come with them getting too close though?

Yeah, if they get within that proximity, just like we don't give them we don't give them the specific address of the survivor now for that exclusion zone.

We give them a vague perimeter that they can't they need to avoid.

It would be the same concept here.

Once they get within kind of that buffer zone, we get alerted, we would reach out to him and um him or her immediately and say so it doesn't immediately announce on the bracelet you're getting too close.

No, no, but we we reach out to them, and again, we would call their phone, just all the protocols we do with an exclusion zone now.

We would call their phone, if they don't answer, we call on the device.

Um if they get too close, we have the ability to set the siren off as well to let everyone in a pretty near distance know he's there.

Um so and again, if if they are not moving out, if they continue moving towards um that victim in the case, then uh we're calling law enforcement as well.

Okay.

Sounds sound great idea.

And I think it will be a um an amazing tool for actually both the victim and the perpetrator, simply because of the fact that I know with the current static zones, um, even if they're say on the bus, the bus can travel through those those zones, and they can um you guys would get alerts to say that you're in you're going through that zone and we wouldn't be.

Yeah, and we work through, I mean if we know they're on bus six and it's gonna go through, we're able to build that into the software and into the system so that we're not like dinging that individual every time they go through.

But we're also able to track speed.

So I mean, like if they got off the bus, if they started walking instead of clearly driving, I mean, we're able to see those things and then we can address it if we need to, but we're also able to um kind of build in that so we're not constantly blowing that guy up and saying, What are you doing?

Well, I'm on the bus again because it's Monday through Friday.

So any additional questions?

Awesome.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

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