We're not going to have a forum again.

And so I just have a forum again.

And so I just want to mention to you.

I will use the remedy that's in the ordinance about notifying appointing authorities of people who don't show up for half of the meetings in a year.

It's time.

Lots to vote on.

But we can still talk.

The January meeting, I thought we had good conversations.

I enjoyed them a lot.

And I but we have to take action.

So I will use the remedy that's in the ordinance.

It doesn't mean that anything will occur in the way of appointing replacements, but we have made real progress in large part thanks to Daniel.

On identifying potential members of this committee.

Sorry.

Every square inch of it.

I think it's one of the gems that Indianapolis has.

And you go around this little loop and it's for identifying like spring flowers or for holidays, they will have things.

This is the place.

We're all the way back to November minutes, and we can't approve those.

We can't approve January minutes.

We can't elect officers.

Please run.

And once we can hold an election, and uh I just I'm happy to continue on.

Um as the vice chair, seems to me it's appropriate on a couple of levels.

Um the uh the burden of it today is that the ordinance says the vice chair presides in the absence of the chair, and also in the absence of the secretary.

So I don't want to call anybody out, but if anybody feels motivated to keep minutes, um, because we can meet.

Um, Adam is confirmed in the past we can meet, we don't have to have a quorum to meet, and it seems to me we need to have minutes.

Uh but the ordinance says I'm the acting secretary when there's no secretary present.

Unfortunately, so I'm supposed to be chair and secretary.

Um I can I can make the minutes, but I won't be as effective.

I like to talk and uh keep track of the conversation.

So any volunteers to take minutes for today or not, no?

I'm happy to.

I don't care.

Well, you've done it before, and I didn't want to so that that excuses me from doing it.

No.

You did such a fun job.

It's it's just you're following.

Yeah, happy to if that's okay.

Yeah.

And we're being reported, so you have some help.

Oh, perfect.

Yeah, that helps.

Um thank you, Trieman.

The uh next thing we want to talk about, Daniel has just done a lot in the interim since January.

And one of the things that he has done is uh work and many a few of us have made contributions to developing a forum, an interest form to recruit people.

Does everyone know about that?

We we had it, yeah.

Okay.

Uh Daniel, can you tell?

I mean, we met last week, and I just was amazed at what it has accomplished.

So why don't he be less emotional than I am about it?

I'm happy to give y'all an update on this.

Um I feel like first and foremost, what I do want to say is that like I know it's kind of a bummer when we get here and we don't have the quorum.

Um but what I do feel like is that there's a lot to be said about greenways.

I feel like what I'm about to kind of y'all an introduction in, it's like there's a lot of enthusiasm for them too.

So I mean I feel like I there is there is you know, there's some room to continue to grow and to continue to continue to you know build to that capacity, and that's something I'm super excited about.

Um but uh I truly think that we've got some super exciting stuff coming in the next couple of months, and uh looking forward to working with pre-most development committees meeting up.

So um following up on the conversation that we had in January this past year about kind of membership recruitment, and right now we have three open spots, and potentially a fourth where we've had someone who was appointed but has not been here in a year and a half.

Um and when you have that sort of those sort of vacancies, it becomes hard to hit corn.

You have to have everyone show up.

Um so like just to give you all note that there are multiple open spots in January.

We talked about the ways to get admiral members, and then so since that time DPW has developed an online interest form in social media graphics to assist in crew members.

And just to give y'all, I I think y'all had a chance to take a look at this, but just as uh TLDR is that we have an interest form, it should take less than 10 minutes, hopefully less than like five or six, but hopefully has questions and is able to like kind of make sure that people who want to join the committee have like an interest and a kind of passion for the nice question.

Yeah, I see that two of these vacancies are council appointments as have it has anybody approached the council members to tell them that that there are openings and do they know anybody in their constituency that would like to serve that they would like to nominate?

One of the next steps is what will often happen is that we'll be asked by the appointed authorities do we have recommendations?

Um and one of the goals of this is to be able to like take some of that information and provide recommendations, and so ultimately if the council want to recommend their own representative, they would be able to, and that would be uh kind of the right, but ultimately hopefully we would be able to filter down and be able to be like, hey, here's what we feel like are some key characteristics.

But ultimately, hopefully we would be able to filter down and be able to be like, hey, here's what we feel like are some key characteristics.

Here are a few people that we feel like would be great representatives, and to be able to kind of help them with that.

Sure.

I mean, it can come from either direction, but I I mean I know the council members are very, very busy and have a thousand things on their plate all the time.

This is probably the last thing that they're thinking about if they're thinking about it at all.

But they typically have supporters of their campaigns and such that are you know interested in serving in government and participating in government in some fashion, they may not even know what they want to serve on.

But if they're if the council members are made aware that they have vacancies and we need appointments, they will probably act on that.

Okay, I think there was a reluctance to do that that I didn't have, but now that I'm the IT chair, I have no reluctance.

And um, I'm meeting with John Barth a week from tomorrow, and this is one of the topics.

Yeah.

I mean, I would agree that it's better to have people who are passionate about the subject, but with a bunch of empty chairs.

Well, I'm not sure you can be that picky.

I think it's indispensable.

I think that you can't have somebody who says, Oh, that would be nice, sure, yeah, I'll do that.

Gotta have somebody who's just very serious about this stuff and who commits to show up.

Go on, Daniel, but that's the answer.

The council is being notified in person.

I was gonna say, um, did you send this out to uh to bike Indianapolis?

So okay.

Yeah.

Because we I mean there's a lot of I feel like we might be able to find some folks that are part of that network who have the capacity and know the importance of showing up.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And you know, real quick, I'm about to talk about we've got a lot of people put this out.

Oh, that's that's the spoiler.

Um but I just wanted to let you out.

But what I wanted to do is have the spoiler is we've got a lot of people say they're interested to figure out how do we go from like the relatively large number to potentially recommendations to these different government bodies.

That's that's what I want to talk about, keep those insight in today.

Uh but just to let y'all know on the key questions, what are your favorite things to do on greenways?

What are your favorite trails in greenways?

Sure, yeah, I think that is based off of what you said.

Uh what is something that you're good at or passionate about that you can bring into the GWEC, and we make attending in-person meetings a priority.

We actually put put the time of the meeting in just so that people know that that's something that we're interested in.

Uh, we also ask demographic information just to make sure that we understand who's applying to think that can also be in their minds.

And submission so far, it's been open for two weeks, and we've got 45 people who reached out and that's an interesting resolution.

Um, which I feel like is super exciting.

I mean, that would be a lot of people who are interested in being part of this group.

Um, and I just very briefly wanted to give you all an update on like who all has applied, so that I can also maybe be an idea of who else should we shoot.

I mean, we've received 45, but have we do we want to continue to reach out to different groups or different people?

Um I think that that's a question that's worth thinking about.

So I wanted to give you just like a brief introduction about what are we hearing in some of the submission forms.

So I have reviewed all of the applications and just try to summarize when people are asking, like, what are their favorite things to do?

Kind of walking lists, one of the walking and biking have been the two most popular activities, but we've also heard running, commuting, doing family activities like walking with our families, walking pets, enjoying nature and wildlife, uh doing like social and leisure experiences like meeting with friends, uh, health and well-being activities that had a tendency to focus on things like mutual resets and mental health, uh, and also equestrian uses.

Um these are the kind of things that people are interested in and uh the passions that they have.

Whoops.

Uh so what are people's favorite greenways?

Uh this is going to come up in some of the demographic and location information too, but like there's there's kind of a different, a definite like uh affinity for the mono.

It's one of our it is our most popular greenway, it's one of the most used greenway, and so the most people could pick two, lots of people pick the monon, but we did have a number of other greenways, and especially like greenways that had some some distance to them, over a mile of distance to them.

Um, we had kind of a number of different releases across the system.

Things that people are passionate about or things that they could bring to the committee.

And we have people who are like engineers, data professionals or urban planners that like kind of come from that sort of technical background.

There are also a number of people that come from that that talk about their background in the environment and sustainability.

And things like community engagement and equity, transportation and connectivity.

So they have a background in grants, but also, or probably a technical profession, too.

But also safety and etiquette, health, public health and awareness, communications, maintenance, and nature, arts, and equestrian activities.

So these give you all kind of an idea of the type of people who are interested in joining the committee.

Yeah, I bring up these as ideas too, just because I know historically one of the things that people have been interested in is bringing people in from different kind of thematic areas because they can bring kind of a rich conversation.

So we've asked about submissions.

Where are people from?

You have the largest number of people from Center Township.

Which I feel like is pretty consistent on across any sort of like survey data that we do.

And there have also been people kind of beyond center in Washington Township.

There are people from Lawrence Wayne, Warren Perry, a number of people that I don't know, and that's all it's also pretty common surveys.

So those are those are areas where we just we don't have a lot of responses yet.

And also just to give you an idea on age and gender identity from an age perspective.

Our applications had a tendency to skew younger.

We had a lot of passion and interest from people in that 21 to 30 range.

No invest nine to bad.

That's just the data.

When it comes to gender identity, it was the largest group are people who identify as men, the next largest group is people who identify as women, and then they're uh, although they're roughly the same size, which also like I feel like um is is something that uh we don't always see in our survey results, so because having having a rough uh kind of a broader spectrum of people, I think is helpful kind of thing that next steps.

Uh when it comes to race, this is something else that we've seen in a lot of our survey data.

A majority of our respondents identify as wider Caucasian.

We've had a number of people that are either two or more, or identify we've had uh uh or some who's identified as Asian.

Um but largely speaking, the people who have signed up so far identify as wider Caucasian, and also uh a majority of people who have uh submitted interest forms have also identified as not Hispanic or Latino.

Although there have been a number of people, especially on the West Side, that have identified this.

And so that's I'm happy to talk about any particular data points or kind of go into it further, but I do feel like what I would be interested in, maybe kind of opening up some group and hearing is there's 45 people when we're thinking about where people are located or what passions they might bring or what greenways they might be interested in.

Uh I think what we are thinking about is somewhat of a next step is thinking through like what are some key characteristics to be able to kind of like filter through.

Um and I would be interested from those perspective, what should be in that room rate and should potentially kind of help guide and be able to kind of like help make a more whole, more complete remote committee.

So yeah, no, quick question.

Great.

Um getting about 45 submissions, that's pretty big.

Um I don't know, we could probably it'll be all these rooms if it was all built up, all these seats, but uh I would say with these 45 submissions since it's coming from um the office, are these going to be department recommendations going up the pipeline to be selected, or are you still going to have them reach out to a counselor or through the mayor's office to be appointed initially?

I just want to know what would that pipeline look like since I know for this committee is there is a split or a mixture of like how many can be appointed, or is that flexible as well?

The uh governing body is set, uh, and like the number of record uh number of people in each governing body is set, although likely what a next step would be is being able to make a recommendation to the governing body itself.

I'd imagine the government the recommendation did you come from uh kind of like formally from me through the trails and green lease committee, uh although if the green list development committee wanted to make a formal recommendation, whether on my key characteristics or like whatever that might look like.

Um tell me, tell me what is the next step.

You got 45 people that want to want to be on the committee or show some interest.

Who and how is going to decide who to recommend to the council or some parks for.

Well, I think that uh we've talked about this.

I think it's not our role to make recommendations of individuals.

What I plan to do, and I'm interested in the views of all of you.

Uh what I plan to do is notify um the representatives who I think are the appropriate people who are the appointers, and say we have this pile of these responses, and they're available to you, and Daniel will provide them, and he's already done sorting of characteristics that may be useful.

Get us somebody as soon as possible, fill these vacancies.

Now, the only thing that has prevented me from doing that so far is a couple of things.

One, we I wanted to discuss it today to get up, you know, whatever views there are, but I feel like this is urgent.

I've gone to enough no forum meetings to be pretty fed up with it.

And and I want that to end, and I think the subject matter is um important to a lot of people, as Daniel is unearthed.

So I'm gonna get in touch, and then I'm also gonna screen current appointees to see who doesn't meet the 50% of meetings ordinance qualification, and I will notify the appointing authorities, whoever those people are, to say, please give us a substitute, and it'll we have the same pile of responses available for ideas.

Now, one of the things that's occurred to me about what we've developed here is that there are um holes as far as I'm concerned.

You know, the the um interest form is not the only source.

You mentioned people that have worked on campaigns that you know who are bid supporters.

They're not gonna show up here, you know.

And we have a racially non-diverse group of responders, and I don't think that's any good at all.

And and hopefully the appointing authorities will have candidates.

Uh we we uh I don't care what may be said in Washington at the moment, we've got to have diversity, and we especially need uh representatives of groups that need to be strongly encouraged to get out and use these green things.

So uh we got plenty of people with similar demographics to me, except not as ancient, but uh the uh we don't have enough diversity, and so I you know would say we have this great pile of responses, but we recognize that's we're not saying to you you're confined in any way.

This is just a service, this gathering of interests as a service.

So maybe as part of the question, Daniel, like does the committee want you to continue to try to bring in more responses, or to maybe tweak the questionnaire, is that kind of a little bit more.

Yeah, I mean, I do feel like kind of like that from the next step.

Well, and to answer's question, like each governing body will usually have a point person who will kind of like need uh kind of the process of a vetting and nominating uh nominat members, and so I feel like kind of the next step would be uh providing kind of recommendation.

And the recommendation could be uh I think there's a couple different directions.

One, it could just be like, hey, here's all the people, please pick someone.

I think the recommendation would be that here's all the people, pick someone and here are things that we think are important and essential to like being you know, five members of the committee.

Uh and I would be interested in sort of like uh and whether it's here or maybe sending out survey layers to be like, hey, take all these things and just like tell us what do you think are the key things, and then put that.

Um I feel like I would be somewhat comfortable providing uh a list of like hey, here's three to five people who meet you know, here's here's a list, here's the uh here are the characteristics that have been identified, and here's like three to five people that we feel like could be great representatives of that.

Um but I do want to be sensitive if that is not the direction of the agreements about three months ago.

Like I think there's a couple different options, so I'd be interested in like how comfortable would y'all feel in this.

Well, I I feel strongly it's not our place to make specific recommendations or short lists.

Uh furthermore, none of these people have been interviewed.

Okay, so somebody who might look read on paper might not be so great when interviewed, and we're not going to do 45 interviews here of potential candidates.

So as far as I'm concerned, we should stop with the analyzes Daniel is done.

Say here they are, and if you want to dig in, um what we ask of you is get uh somebody who meets these criteria if you can.

Uh and secondly, what we ask is do it right away.

I think it I uh Craig, can I say something?

I totally agree with you that it is better to have diversity racially in every other way on the committee.

However, I don't think we have the luxury of that at this point.

I think we need bodies on this committee, given that you haven't had a quorum in the last couple meetings.

That's crazy.

So it is crazy, and a lot of people aren't showing up, and you're so you're gonna have more vacancies after you get done with that process than we have right now, and we have three vacancies.

I think you need to take the list, and I think staff to the extent that you can should winnow it down to your preferred recommendations.

I think if you give the council 45 names, they're just gonna wallow through, or they're just gonna pick the first name off the list.

They got a thousand things to do over there.

I'm sorry, let me turn this off.

Um so to me, it would make sense if you go down to this list and based on the parameters you think are important as the as the staff representative to the board to the committee, winnow it down to the 10 preferred nominees to say, and say, here's our list of 45.

We think the top ten potential are these, we need you guys to appoint somebody, pick one, or talk to a few of them if you'd like.

Or, you know, or if you pick you winnow it down to 10 or 5, and you want to interview them individually, get a sense for their commitment to it and their interest.

When I was appointed, nobody really asked me anything about my interest.

They just said, you know, I just put my name in the hopper, and somebody in the mayor's office said, okay, you can have the greenways committee.

And what that worked out for us.

Well, yeah, so you know and I and I don't know nothing about Greenways before I got out of the committee.

So but I think it's important to move this process along.

I mean, we don't have the luxury of waiting around for the ideal candidate.

I don't know which um appointing authorities seats are open.

Council has two of them and the parks board has one.

Yeah, and there's there's a number and the other ones, obviously the the PERG procedure probably gives us others.

Yeah, um, I was just gonna also advise that um the Greenways Committee ordinance does put um duty on the executive subcommittee to get back to it, um to provide for the continuity between meetings of the committee and can take any appropriate action that's necessary.

The executive subcommittee is right now.

And you would see chair and vice chair and secretary, so um those uh think anything that the sub that subcommittee does is has to be ratified by the main body at the next meeting that the quorum takes place.

It says the next meeting, but since we don't quorum, we can't really do anything until it's quorum.

Um so I I suppose that there could be uh the potential for the executive subcommittee to make recommendations to the appointing authorities of who they may want specifically.

Obviously, it's up to the according authority themselves to make the choice whether to or not or who it is, but I think that there's a little bit of duty or power to be able to do that.

Thanks, but it's helpful.

It's helpful.

So, how many currently on this committee?

12 people who have been appointed in the free vacancies.

Okay, so we have not.

So we have nine total.

So then we need how many to get quorum?

We need eight people.

Okay.

Um, whatever we do, we need to make sure that whoever is appointed understands the importance of being at the meeting since we only have every other month.

And what we might do once we do have quorum with the new appointed uh members, is kind of do a level set so we kind of you know, we start from the beginning, say this is where we've been, this is where we're going.

Um, can we at least have a commitment from the the overall um membership this is if you have a schedule conflict on one of these dates?

Do we have enough people to cover so we know in advance?

Um, and then we can get the meeting locations in advance so that just because they are on different sides of town, that could um that's this one.

Yeah, so that could, you know, so that helps.

Um so just maybe I don't know who who would lead that discussion.

Um, but I think those are things that we definitely want to do once we get everybody.

Exactly.

I would add on too.

I agree with what you said.

Um, I forgot what was on the interest form, but I would prioritize the civic engagement piece um for folks that are interested to serve in this capacity, and also to provide that disclaimer, act of disclaimer that this is a working like city um board that requires you to attend these meetings on a quarterly basis.

Um that's why I also think it would also be helpful if there was a standing meeting place, um, and that way we could just work on the dates to hold them as or even if we have them now and include that as a follow-up uh to these applicants to be like, hey, like just a heads up, this is what we expect your participation to be.

Can you make those dates all the time?

Um, like at 100%, and that 45 is gonna go down.

Um enforcement from the committee on members actually come out.

Yeah, well, I think that to me the the passion component is the critical one because that's what gives people absolutely in the door.

And I think picking a meeting site and staying with one site is important.

So people can expect where they're gonna be.

I understand the ability desirability of showing people the parts, different parks and everything.

But people need to be able to plan their their calendars.

So here in the room, what where would you vote for it?

Where would you make the home base?

I honestly like moving around with that.

I I think it's a cool, I think it's cool to move around just because it gives you access to, but I understand the the consistency of one location.

So I I have not been to this discovery center.

I haven't even gotten it.

You've never been here before.

I've been to Eagle Creek, I've been outside, but I haven't been to this particular location.

So I do I think that to your point, people who may not have had any access with the with the trails before moving around, especially since we don't have people from like Pike and Decatur, like moving around is good, but I understand for consistency purposes.

We're sitting in Pike.

We are okay.

Yeah, interesting.

Okay.

I would say, especially because there's not racial diversity on here.

Let's also look at professional or the interest they may think there's pretty good distribution.

But do we want to do we can afford a few more weeks, right?

It's urgent but not emergent.

Um do one more push out to like Indy out to other groups where we think we can cast a broad net, give it a deadline, right?

Creates emergency for recipients, and then in the meantime, uh, I would say reach out to these 45, think then kind of keep them on the hook.

That here is the timeline when you could expect to come back.

Um try to keep their excitement.

Yeah, I'm wondering is there a way for us, you know.

Yeah, I'm wondering, is there a way for us, you know, we talked about providing the um I guess we're talking about the council, not just the council, right?

There's other but we're kind of like we're trying to be strategic about what likely they will do with the information.

Is there a way for us to say, well, here is the information.

Maybe somebody is passionate and wants to like do what we're you know, that further uh research.

But if not, then we could say, well, you know, we can help you with that, right?

Like the committee can help or so.

Is there a way to have that interaction instead of you know more or less?

Because I think what we're afraid of is to gather all this information and hand it off and then it doesn't go anywhere, right?

So I think in the in the in the process of giving uh people that appear to be interested, we could also say if you need more information or you want us to try to help in the process, we could offer that.

I don't know if that's possible.

Let me speak to a couple of things real quick, a lot of things in my mouth.

First, I do feel like so far we said kind of like a a closed date is April A.

Okay.

And what I would also say is that if there's if we're looking at our data, we don't feel like it's reflective of uh where we're gonna go.

Like we still have two weeks, like as you said, to kind of do an additional push.

And if there are people that y'all would like for me to reach out to or kinda in a lot of ways better yet, if you all want to reach out, like I can after this meeting send kind of our graphic in the information to the group.

And I think that that that makes sense.

Uh I would say to this conversation about kind of like speed.

I feel like speed is definitely like a necessity.

Uh I also feel like we can be intentional with the street.

Like I do feel like hopefully, even kind of like with this approach by taking this list and kind of moving forward, that we can hopefully still move pretty quickly through April to winnow it down and then provide recommendations to kind of the government authorities with the hope of maybe, you know, if things work out, maybe having more people by April.

Um or by by by the next meeting in May.

Um so I mean I do feel like if that's at least on the back on that too.

Um I do feel like kind of speaking to what what a couple of people have said here is I am a little nervous that if that one without kind of like a further talking without talking to people or maybe even like a 10 minute phone calling a game, like how serious your people like that that maybe needs a gap and understanding like is the passion there.

Uh and what I think I could see a lot of benefits in just like narrowing it down to like 10 people based on the characteristics that we feel is like is important.

I could set up like 10 minute phone calls to call people and be like, hey, does it line up?

Do people make sense?

And then kind of like use that as the well the first filter will be if you send out an email and say let's schedule something, you know, hear back from them.

Yeah, okay, they're all that you just cut out about a third of it right there.

So I feel like there's just a benefit in sending out an email like that.

Does someone respond?

Do they respond on the timing matter?

When I call his or when I or someone schedule a meeting and say, hey, you guys could show up at this such and such a date, this uh location.

Anybody that's interested in serving on this board, we'd just like to give you a little presentation.

Very fine idea.

We use our main meeting for that.

And if they don't show up, then you know they're not interested.

Yeah, that's a very fine idea.

Um I uh have a further idea, and that is this.

There is absolutely nothing in the ordinance that says when we're we're supposed to schedule meetings.

I am personally opposed to scheduling another meeting until we have vacancies filled, because I feel like we're doing Lucy in the football, if you know what I'm talking about, right?

And football keeps getting put down and then we it's ridiculous.

In the last year, uh we've had maybe three meetings with a but the next meeting's not till three for three months.

Sure.

I don't want to assume anything.

Um you talked about how busy the council is.

I don't want to assume anybody's gonna think our urgent call for appointees is going to be respected.

Which is why I'm talking to John Barth, who I consider to be a guy who really cares about this stuff.

Right.

And and he'll say I can talk to Boots.

Yeah.

Dan Boots.

Um he cares about it too.

He he uh I was appointed the fatal crash review team, and he was one of the endorsers of that appointment, and he understood the reason why I was interested in it in doing it.

The uh I wonder if it'd be helpful if if he were to you were to forward this list of 45 people to us and then we could give this list to counselors would be in conversation.

You know, uh's not gonna want that right right away.

He's gonna want to think about what to do first.

He's he's he is adverse to board stuff until he really needs it.

I can't speak to Dan Booth's foot.

The the uh why schedule a meeting when the football is gonna get pulled up again.

You know, we need numbers, we're missing three.

We also have others who haven't showed up at all, and they need to be replaced.

I want to schedule something when the appointing authorities say, okay, we're gonna do something instead of shooting perhaps again.

But to be clear, the ordinance does require that this board meet at least quarterly.

Yeah.

So I would say that you have to attend to meet at least once every quarter.

Yeah.

When and where you schedule it, you are correct.

There's no monthly or on a specific day.

Just one quarter, which is for it.

I think we've already had two meetings, though, so we only need two more.

Once per quarter.

Yeah, for county.

But the scheduling we've done historically, Adam has been every couple of months based on the idea of having a surplus of meetings so that we could maybe comply with the ordinance.

That's been so you're saying if these two meetings only count for the first quarter, they'd be paying.

Is that what you're saying?

Um in my reading of it, um, and this is just right off the top.

Um quarterly to me means once per calendar quarter.

So if you have two meetings in the first quarter, it doesn't count for the other three.

So the next quarter starts with two uh next week.

April 1st.

Okay.

Um June.

Yeah, you wouldn't necessarily have to meet again until June, but I do agree with with Craig, like continuing to have meetings without having to disagree with you guys at all.

I'm just telling you the ordinance requires you to meet at least once per quarter.

Okay, I just wanted to make sure I understood that um so it's not four meetings a year, it's once per quarter, is what it was.

Yes, which would work up to four a year if you did it only one meeting every quarter.

Just have to space it.

We would have to space it all day.

You can meet as frequently as you want as long as it's worried that it because we have enough appointed folks to have quorum, we just need to get them to show up.

I'm worried that if we don't set something, we can't drive our members to that meeting, and we're just going to kind of kick the can down the road, we're gonna miss a meeting, we're gonna be okay with that, we're gonna miss another.

You could even have those potential candidates show up to the next meeting.

Yeah, right.

Uh I just want to add to I agree.

I think that I think in the next three or so months, that's already ample time, I think, to get some qualified applicants in to the committee as well.

And I'm just thinking on a on a council basis, right?

Um, was it the parks and is it the parks and rec committee on and and on the council side they meet monthly um as well, and on that monthly basis, that's also where they handle appointments um too at the same time.

And correct me if I'm not wrong, there's also nothing that also stops us from yes, on paper, um, each of those three um bodies have to provide recommendations, right?

But also nothing stops us as the department providing recommendations to the council for a council to then recommend um to be put into uh into this body um as well.

That way it's easier for the council to appoint those that are already recommended by parson, you know, by the by the agency um as well, and the same thing goes for the mayor's office too.

Um that leaves the ball on dirt court, whether they already have someone in mind um or not.

But I would just say going back to the 45 is like for me, it's prioritizing the civic engagement piece, the active participation piece, and then second would be the technical um experience piece, but from what I've seen through the data, is there's already enough technical experience within that pool of the initial 45 as well.

And then if we set that meeting a few months from now, I think through the council appointments, through department recommendations, I'm pretty confident if that's handled internally through that process, we should be able to get the appointments that we need.

I agree with everything you said.

I think if we don't set a meeting, Craig, I think it just encourages the whole thing to get kicked down the road more that we need to keep on a schedule so that there is some pressure on everybody and get some membership.

Healthy pressure.

The pressure isn't very intense.

That's still available.

I also do want to say that like I feel like I I I send a lot of emails out to correspond and kind of like help uh facilitate the committee, like if the committee also want if y'all want to even like buddy up or like send additional email, maybe this is happening.

Um but if not, like if y'all if if people just want to like send each other an extreme email, or like uh I sometimes I I feel like especially being part of the city and being official role, like is it's my email received in the same way as opposed to like if it's if one of y'all pressure of the peer pressure.

Uh that like that's that's something that that can also be uh I think something to keep in mind this potential way to be able to draw enough uh that number.

I I think also one piece that's missing from this group is that we don't really know each other.

Yeah.

So I I think it's difficult to hold people accountable if we don't really have our have a connection.

The only time I I know E from our previous work.

Correct he knows that he doesn't know a stranger, so we're gonna communicate regardless, but I mean I think that that has to happen as well.

There has to be a little bit of like relationship building, so that you can't build it.

Yeah, focus accountable.

That's why we need to have a party.

So we get to know each other.

A party on the trail.

Well, I think it's all it's all part of onboarding, right?

Like there's I've seen other committees and other town, other cities I've worked in that, you know.

It's that's probably everybody's experience thus far.

It's like you kind of just get a notification that you're and you're still not quite sure what it is and what you're expected to do.

I think all that speaks to onboarding, right?

It's like it shouldn't just be like a side note.

It's like, hey, this is the new person, you have committed to these things, it's clear what you're committing to, right?

Yeah, and we've talked about that before too.

I think there was a committee person that was gonna look into creating that, right?

So it's almost like a job description or something to that effect.

But I just I agree, I think onboarding is super important to this future success of the committee.

Two things you gotta be careful about how you guys meet to open or the way um and uh second, there's you're you're correct.

There is nothing that prevents this board from making recommendations to an important authority of who they should um uh uh uh appoint to an open seat.

Um you can't really do that right now because you're not quorum, right?

Um to that point.

Okay, so you can do it individually to your counselors or to you can write a letter to the city council role, but right they control who is on this community.

Well, just let's try to summarize and then Daniel's got a lot of great stuff to talk about.

Um is there uh a sense we need a home home base, yeah.

Are there any strong feelings about what it ought to be?

Yes, but here you're worried about compatibility with other just folks that may not be able to get to we're not central here, right?

So well uh I mean centrality hasn't done any good so far.

Um but the city county building I consider to be uh difficult because of the parking circumstances, security screening too.

The whole thing is I would say you want to make sure people know that they're not being charged to come into the park if they want to participate in the right in the committee.

Hopefully, everybody here knows that, right?

This is great place, yeah.

Uh okay.

Uh secondly, what is want to summarize is there uh any kind of consensus on the screening function and making of recommendations.

Those of you who are members have any feelings.

I think the staff um should uh screen these as best we can and come up with its top ten.

Well, who's the staff?

This children.

Well, Daniel's self-appointed, he's DPW, but that's only part of the constituency of this group.

Okay.

And they are the parents of the Greenways.

DPW is now the parents of the Greenways.

Okay.

But the but the nominating bodies are not them.

Well, maybe the acting chairman should do this.

Well, I'm glad to do stuff.

I have no lack of time to deal with the uh the question is what to do.

Yeah, I was gonna say here's the stack of stuff because I'm respectful of these various appointing authorities having their own ideas.

I think the critical I'm hoping is uh this is uh poly having me.

I'm hoping that when we get the right person notified of the urgent need and the opening that they'll be motivated.

I'm hoping I don't know that that'll be the case, but I'm that's what I'm hoping.

Does the council have a contact person for appointments?

They do, yeah.

One person.

Yes.

And I mean, like when my recommendation to staff would be like the kind of how these process go often play out is I I would be okay with your approach about just like if I knew what people are passionate about what they care about, and and I could have I could help set up those those quick phone calls, like the screen phone calls, and to be able to kind of like carry that forward.

I think we need to be in touch then with this council contact person as soon as possible, give them the names and tell them we need we need two appointments.

Yeah, right.

Take them from these names or the council members have people in mind, you know.

And I think that any sort of uh communication would definitely be respectful of uh if if any of the appointing bodies have a strong preference, or they already have some.

Right, they may already have people.

Then that's fine, but I also feel like kind of in the spirit of providing us more guidance.

I think that that that could be something that would be true received and appreciated.

And there's probably, yeah, I mean, imagine there's a lot of competition out there for the Greenways Committee.

People really want to be on this committee.

As I said, I'm gonna be talking to John Barthes about the week from tomorrow.

So he's counseling.

It doesn't bother me that I'm not talking to the point person for appointments, I'm talking to a person who cares.

Which is far better.

The person who's responsible for appointments has got about the parts.

More than us.

Is the parks board have a contact person?

Yes as well.

You should be scrubbing by us as a contact person.

Okay.

Um and is there the reason there's some benefit in us providing recommendations that like they different people will know different ways to be able to express interest, but like someone who's maybe passionate about the Greenways Development Committee or Greenlee's in general won't know the right way to be able to be like, hey, I'm interested.

Right in some of the services gives us a chance to provide, like show that people are right, raising their hands and being able to kind of help them with that connection.

I think it's absolutely better if you can provide recommendations because they're gonna have both the parks board, the council has many other things under plate, many other things to do.

Give it to them and make it as easy as possible for them to get this done.

I think you know, Daniel or whoever screening these making recommendations a few more than what we need.

Um can also look at uh diversity of that group that we're not getting all engineers, for example.

Yeah, and that's a for you that you'll have the yeah.

Are you an engineer?

I'm not government affairs.

I make words.

I do not make ridges.

Maybe we could use a few engines.

Wow.

Again, did the director appoint you to this board?

No one appointed me to the board.

Saturn.

Daniel, you invited me to this meeting.

I've never been to one of these meetings.

Well, maybe believe on Andre, when he was principal planner, he uh was what do you call this asking?

Sorry.

Director designated director has a seat on this board of non-voting.

But the director of parks can also appoint a person to this board.

And I don't know if that person is their appointment.

He was right now.

Parks representative, non-voting member.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're the parks representative, not voting member.

I think that's what I would you're here on behalf of the director.

What's that?

You're here on behalf of the director.

Yes.

Okay.

I mean, I feel like I have information.

I just want to touch on that.

So you're not going to be able to do that.

I will say if people have have strong costs, I'll leave the limited time for principal players.

A couple of other updates.

But I think I have some ideas of potential next steps.

And kind of the biggest things I'm hearing today is like there's a there's an impetus to try and move forward and move forward as quickly as possible to be able to fill these seats.

I am hearing kind of like mixed approaches, one kind of like providing a window-down sort of recommendation, providing recommendations versus providing the whole list, and I've kind of heard the pros and cons of both sides.

I do feel like I'm hearing not as strong direct, like there isn't a definitive direction one way or another, although I do I do feel like I'm that I have effort pros and cons of each approach.

I think the group at least has heard that like hey, we're gonna keep this open until April 8th, and that there's there's merit in having another push on letting everyone know that this is an opportunity.

Um what is next is the terrific map that you've got, Daniel's gonna talk about that.

He's uh the author.

Right.

Yeah, I just want to fetch on that.

This is a map that stims out of some of the conversations that I've heard out over the previous year, uh, that includes some of the trail frames that we've seen with the IT, and also trying to bring this planning process of providing this like fair, equitable experience for everyone.

One of the things that people have talked about, particularly here, is where is there access to things like restaurants and water?

Uh and so I know that was one of the benefits for company to do a trail frame and listening program.

And what I wanted to do is do kind of like a little bit of a data analysis to be able to understand where are there places along trails where there might be access to whether water or restrooms and kind of like uh use the term walk shed as a planner, but like where you know how close are they across the greenway?

What's the coverage look like?

Um so I've done two analyses, and ultimately what I would like is a little bit of yellow's assistance, uh kind of confirming some of that and making sure we have all the data points correctly and they're fair.

Um but what I've done is an analysis that uh first for restrooms and comfort stations.

Um where are there publicly available restrooms and conference stations within a quarter mile of a greenway, which is roughly a five-minute walk of a ringway, meaning of which are closer.

Uh but that was kind of uh the cutoff.

And this first map shows everywhere that has a publicly available restroom, including conference stations and e-parks, restrooms and places like libraries, and also restrooms and publicly available facilities, so like a 16 tank.

Um I also there are two colored lines in the map.

There are the blue lines and then there's the green lines.

Uh and anywhere that isn't blue is a part of a greenway that is within five miles of a restroom or a conversation.

And five miles is a standard that I've heard here to bring this development community as something to at least keep in mind as kind of like a minimum to shoot for.

Um so what this map shows is it's just like you know, what does that look like?

Um I've also included you know, just uh a graph at the bottom that shows what percentage, you know, how many there's over 100 miles of greenways and roughly within five miles.

Uh there's 12 miles and around that five mile radius.

Um I do want to say that like five, that there's lots of different variables.

Like, is there restrooms sufficiently close?

Is it only during certain times of the year?

Is it uh, you know, this is kind of a rough and dirty attempt to be able to speak to this idea, but hopefully, especially uh the green zone community continues to think through things like trail friendly businesses.

This can also be kind of a some data to be able to do like where are there any key spots or missing these sort of resources to be able to build off the sort of data.

Um before like and just uh kind of see how we are the next map.

I've done a similar thing with uh water fountains or yeah, water fountains.

Um except with this one, I look at a two-mile walk shed, kind of like understanding that like uh the importance of water, um, not that restaurants are not, but just like thinking thinking through a slightly shorter sort of like area.

Um and the orange is a the orange dots are the places where there are publicly available water stations, the orange lines are areas within two miles, and that's a two-mile walk, not like a two-mile buffer.

So, like if it curves around to take that into account.

Uh, and then green are also the parts of the uh greenways that are not within two miles that are publicly won't water lines.

Um so there are roughly 77 miles greenways that are in two miles on water round, uh, and then there are uh 36 miles to run.

So uh big picture.

This is this is just part of an issue to better understand kind of this is something that I've heard that the groups are very passionate about, and this is information that wanted all uh just so that I can kind of help as I mean people can say off in the businesses, and also just like uh at least in Chinese staff who can kind of look at things like contracts for Corelets and like you feed that sort of conversation, that sort of thinking to be able to kind of use data as an initial starting point about like hey, if we were to be able to find access uh in resources, like there might there be like areas where it would have the largest impact.

So that is that's not analysis.

I'm not happy to answer any questions or uh I have comments.

Yeah, I have talked about this issue.

I brought it to this uh group two years ago.

I've been talking about it ever since I'm a trail consumer, and these are big problems.

Um the five miles that Daniel is using here uh came from Mr.

Flick, who's a world-recognized uh authority in a casual conversation two years ago that I had with him at the Greenways Foundation annual trail celebration in April, so it's two full years ago, and I said, you know, we don't have any restrooms in water, and he said, Well, you gotta have restrooms every five miles, and what he was talking about was linear along the facility, not five mile radius of the of the piece of trail, and um that was the origin of the five miles, and he said that was a minimum.

Um my comments about responding to calling our greenways world class has been no, not yet.

We gotta have this kind of stuff minimums.

Uh the next thing is that uh the master plan, which is yet to be replaced, which is Daniel's going to talk about next, ran from 2014 to 2024.

It expired.

It called for restrooms and water and every trailhead.

And there are no trail heads, and there are no restrooms and water and trailheads.

So that plan was utterly disregarded.

And I have advocated that the new plan, which Daniel has been the interface, as far as my knowledge on this subject, and he's gonna talk to us more.

Have something that's not going to be dishonored.

I mean, it's great to have aspirational stuff, but uh I want to get past aspiring to have these things, and so whatever is coming uh in this plan, um, hopefully someday we'll get the comment on because I think we're we're the body that's supposed to comment on it.

Um this subject is now taking it a little more seriously because Daniel's efforts to begin the map.

Um be wonderful to have a map.

Uh Damon started geotag map, and that didn't go anywhere.

Um the metropolitan planning organization has a bike map right now, and we could hook into that in theory.

Daniel's aware of that.

Um, but what we need is in addition to uh graphics indicating that there is something we need ID.

What is this dock?

Where is it, and what's the name of the place that houses the facility?

Uh a map is needed, and it seems to me some way needs to be found to find a home for it that we're you know, we're happy with, and then populate it with data so that people can find stuff.

Uh my example has always been that I was in my first meeting.

One of them was connected with the art center, and I was told that the art center makes this available.

It's facilities available to people using the Monon Trail.

Well, that's true, but it has two caveats.

Number one, there's nothing that tells people on the Monon that it's available or what its hours are, and I guarantee it's hours are not all the hours people are on the trail.

And two, finding it when you get inside the building is no easy thing.

So you've got to have signage within that structure to let people know where the restroom is.

Uh what you get in is uh once you open the doors, you see some nice art.

Uh but the facilities are in a labyrinth.

So we've got to have a map that has real information that people can use someday.

Daniel's made a superb start.

Those are my comments.

Speaking to that, behind each data point is information.

Like I have a data set that's like, hey, what is the location?

What is it?

Uh don't have the hours specifically, other than something that I think can be built.

Um potentially with maybe assistance from some people here.

Uh but what I would also be interested in speaking, speaking to what Craig talked about is at some points getting feedback from the group on like there may be some there may be barriers to people knowing that there are retrovising some of these places.

Um and so, like helping kind of get that sort of human experience to be like, hey, uh Space Park, I didn't even totally realize there's Base Park Library right next to the to the poach run, and maybe we need to have some sort of binding science to be able to point that out, and like without that sort of IT connection, um whether it is fine.

People that there's this gap between what the knowledge gaps preventing people from feeling comfortable in that sort of way.

And so I feel like uh potentially, and maybe even like something that the Greenway Development Committee could do is like if y'all see uh places on here that that uh that they're maybe additional barriers, sort of like, hey, specifically there are the restrooms within the location, uh potentially providing guidance, or even like a sign or something that someone can put in their in their business to be like, hey, restroom here this way, or something like that, or even just raising this idea to the organization, you know, that could be something like a next step, uh, especially as things like trial friendly business come along.

I guess maybe it's the a way to build capacity and be able to break through those gaps.

I don't have any else to say about it.

But I would I would at some point be interested in sending out the data and just give me some thoughts on like is it fair?

Does it make sense?

Are there places that we're missing?

Uh just to tie in the trail-friendly business plans in writing, but it is its whole reason for being is to populate a map like this with places where people are welcome to stop.

That's the only reason for it.

And uh you can now list businesses that people regularly stop at, but it's far better to have those businesses say, yeah, we agree, we're we're in, we'll participate, and that's the purpose of the of the plan uh which was set out again.

Uh I don't want to keep you guys late.

Daniel, why don't you talk about the strategic plan?

Uh which is you know uh two years overdue by my calendar, but it's going somewhere.

That it is so big picture.

I just want to give you all an update on kind of like where we are and some exciting stuff coming up.

Absolutely.

So that I think is will hopefully be coming out direction.

Um talk a little about the plan within the plan.

First of all, about the greenways for all plan and what we're doing is is we're working on this goal to maintain and expand any status as a world-class greenway city by implementing greenways faster than before, serve a broader coalition of people, and maintaining that sort of like greenway, that that world class status to be able to give people the experiences that are gonna feed into that.

Uh and so creating greenways that connect people in everyday life, ways for free health, equity, health, safety in the environment, and also greenways for growth and developments, kind of these different in the past we talked about values, uh, and those are hopefully very present about the plan.

Kind of these different in the past we talked about values.

And those are hopefully very present about the plan.

And so some exciting news is we are we're getting towards the edge of having a plan to be able to share with people and be able to kind of put up for the public to be able to get public comment on.

And we are hoping to be able to have this plan out into the world within the next four to six weeks to be able to kind of get that public comment, be able to get thoughts from people about some of the work that we're doing.

And wanted to give y'all an just a the big picture kind of like overview about like what is the plan look like.

And what we're doing is ultimately we feel like we in the past we talked about all the different work that we're doing, whether it's from updates of the zoning code to like updating the science standards.

We feel like all that is very technical.

So what we've tried to do is like rethinking like how can we talk about it in a way that will make sense to people.

And so we have divided a lot of our work into kind of these big things.

Vision it, which is going to be the network what it is, uh with an updated map and report cards on each greenway so that people can kind of understand, you know, what is the system look like.

We have a section called design, which actually has some of the technical information about the design standards of our framework, like how it's being built.

A section called uh build it, where we talk about uh what is what is the build out order look like and what are the steps that need to be taken to get there.

Enhance it.

This is kind of this like greenway places sort of idea about how do you create places around greenways that people want to be feel safe and people feel excited, these sort of like trail friendly places, and then ultimately sustain it.

Uh kind of like tying together, kind of like maintenance of our greenways and thinking through like how do we make sure we we maintain that those greenways.

And I'm not gonna go through each of these sections right now, but just to give you all an idea, is like each section is going to be kind of broken into smaller subsections.

And I'm just gonna call out one section today.

This is not the entirety of the plan, but just to give you an idea of like what it would look like is for this vision section, is there's gonna be like the network today, a summary of like where are we now, and what are some of the guiding pillars about like kind of like continue to grow the system?

Uh there's the proposed Greenway, Indy Greenways Network.

So, actually, I talked a little bit about like what does the updated map look like, and also kind of a greenway report cards, which is an in-depth breakdown of all 30 existing proposed greenways in the network.

Um just to give you all an idea of what some of that look like.

It's like the gaps analysis.

Like, what is what's some of the data we use and some of the thinking about like how do we understand our system?

Then it also talks about things like engagement and outreach.

And so we like took that data, we took some of the values to be able to understand the data, and we've gone out to people to talk about talk with people about what matters to them.

And we talk about like what does that mean, and then like how do we use that information to be able to kind of like guide this sort of help craft and a vision for the county.

Uh there's also uh a section that talks about like the an updated network and what does it look like with the goal of trying to reach as many people as possible.

Uh and and then kind of like how does this map tie to some of these core values about places that connect where people live, work and play, that provide access to historically uninsured communities, places that improve health and the environment, and also places that promote growth and development.

And then also kind of like there are these greenway report cards where like you can get a breakdown of what is important about each greenway, or like what is this bring.

So, like how many people would gain access?

Like this is uh the little Eagle Creek Greenway, which would be needing the system.

And so, how many additional people, 60,000 people, would then be within uh walking distance or a quick drive from a greenway.

Uh 21,000 jobs would be within close proximity.

Uh, and also like for each greenway, I feel like sometimes uh when you kind of look at a map itself, it's hard to know like what makes it shine.

Uh, but what we're trying to do is like each greenway giving like what are some key features that really make this a special place.

Uh so this is just one section.

Uh but ultimately, like big picture, what can you do?

Is like ultimately when the plan is out in the world, review the plan, give us your thoughts.

And we want, you know, we hope there'll be thoughts that we're like, hey, this is exciting.

We also want to know thoughts about like, hey, this is an area where we need to continue to grow or continue to uh live up to that world class standard.

Uh I want you to share your thoughts and also share information about the plan.

Uh I mean, these, I mean, what I what I find is that like people are more likely to take a look at a plan or to engage and talk about it if it comes from like a friend or a colleague as opposed to just like the city itself.

So the more people that are there looking at it and sharing it, I think more likely we are at uh heal people.

So I'm happy to answer any questions that y'all might have.

Uh but that's just like a big picture, you know.

Hopefully, by the next time we meet hopefully, um, we will have a plan that will go out beyond the world and hopefully something, you know, that will be uh up for some discussion and guidance.

So that's that's that's what I got happy to answer any questions that you have.

You put a ton of work into that.

It's funny acknowledge.

Yeah, no, I love I love it, especially if you proposed uh Greenways network, like on the previously you identified the gaps, but then you already addressed it with a plan um to address those gaps, which is pretty nice, and being able to see all these um specific trails that could address those gaps within the current network, um, is really like it's optimistic.

I I like it.

I'm an optimistic person, um, so I wish it goes through like the full vision from vision to implementation.

Um I also like the the in the intention, um the consumer and also like the resident feedback as well.

Um, like this is a living greenways network that we're gonna sustain, but also dependent on the feedback of folks.

I think that's great, promotes buy-in even at a community and neighborhood level where you know, be proud of like what the assets and what um you have within it.

I think that ties in pretty well with with at least on the greenway side of things.

Um it's pretty good.

I like it.

And I'll just add that I'm seeing in real time.

So on the bar and side, the Grassy Creek Trail was just completed, and it is connecting folks from all the way from Carroll Road to uh job opportunities that are on bid offer.

So there is the East Park, uh like business.

So there's like uh JD finish line is over there, health um United Healthcare, like a ton of business indigo is over there, so um, and I've seen people walking on it.

So uh I don't know if there is a way for us as a body to just kind of like be a be the whole you know, be the personal churle just for the trail, just to highlight like look the new trail here, or this is how I'm using this trail, or this is the reason why I take this particular trail to be able to access this thing.

Um I I think that in the interim until we get quorum on in our on our personal networks, at least doing that, um get others excited about uh the possibility of serving um on this on this body as well.

On that subject, I've said to Daniel, um to what I think we need is funded position, or maybe more than one funded position with the sole job of activating communities, and that person spends their working week reaching out to organizations talking about the planning of events, kitty walks or whatever they might be, and and community groups that will uh put on an event with encouragement.

We gotta get people out.

That's the whole reason I'm involved with this stuff is that the health of this community needs to be improved and it gets improved by people moving.

And and that's what I would love to see.

I don't know if this plan is going to talk about it, but it seems to me there ought to be people in charge of activation, staff people.

Well, folks, how about ideas of new new stuff to talk about, even though we don't have a quorum, we still have brains.

I do I would like to suggest that the agenda for next time include a discussion about speed limits on the green waste trails.

I think it is a public hazard out there right now with electric bikes, and that we need to think about this or at least have a discussion about it.

Agree, there are people riding the ATVs on the trails now, so it's getting kind of dangerous.

And I think it's a signage issue and it's an enforcement issue.

And we need to address I think we should have a discussion about it with whatever information we need to be able to make a constructive recommendation to the powers that be about how to address it.

Probably need your own jobs.

So for next agenda, can we put that on?

If that's something I'll interest in, we need it, at least in our staff perspective, keep y'all.

Hey, what do you what do you think say?

What are we saying right now?

Um just to be able to kind of uh like a one-pager or something on that would be really helpful.

Yeah, it's I mean, like what the city hears right now is kind of like you know, in the heat of the moment, like for specific issues where I observe this, you know, it's kind of anecdotal.

I think somebody's gonna get killed out there.

There's there's not great opportunities to take the pulse of the community, which is again exactly kind of what the purpose of this group is to be the voice of the community to us and about us, right?

Um so yeah, if that's something that you feel that is, and there's other voices that agree with that, absolutely.

I think that you know, one of the challenges, and spoiler alert is that you know we need more rangers, right?

To be able to go out and and patrol and um, you know, we're even talking about with the this plan is like how do we roll out an etiquette uh campaign, right?

So etiquette even goes beyond what's legal to like what should you do to be a nice person.

First of all, don't put up too many signs.

Yeah, unlike like I have this beef with Morat Nature Preserve now.

Okay, they've done a wonderful job, the foundation over there cleaning up the Marat Nature Preserve in Broader Pole and North Broad Rabble, you know, getting rid of the invasive putting up signage.

But they put up a sign, okay, and it literally has 20 things that you should read.

And the one, the most important one about keep your dog on a leash is like three quarters, two-thirds of the way down the pole.

Nobody gets to that one.

I think no like anybody with any kind of basic information about warning labels will tell you that if you have too many of them, you might as well have none.

Yeah, there's there's many ways to convey, because ultimately what we're trying to do is to like hope that people choose behavior that is respectful of everybody.

Absolutely.

So the way you convey that what's the best way?

I don't know.

I'm not like sometimes it's signage, sometimes it can be a who knows, a different kind of campaign, but yeah, that's well, something that would be productive to work.

I'll say the majority of the people who are who are on these fast motorized devices are younger phones of teens and they're not going to run the signs.

So if there's nothing not necessarily where I am, there's it's a lot of teenagers that are all using TVs.

I would say users on these things who are just too lazy to bite.

Okay.

Well, they're changing behaviors that we need.

That's a challenge, right?

Yeah.

How do you get to that to that teenager to get into their own?

How do you get to it to everybody who's riding on the bikes?

Uh so what I want to so if there are not enough park rangers, but is there a conversation then to see if you can have IPD about it?

Just to be out because I'm IBD's always on the loan off.

But I haven't really seen them on other trails.

I'm guessing because there's not incidents of like crime and stuff like that.

I don't know, but maybe just this as it gets warned to kind of enforce because I've already seen it on the Puncy Trail and on the SP trail riding really fast.

And again, what what the committee can do is say hey, we've used the trails, and we are users of the trails, and this is what we're experiencing, and it's it's unfortunate, and it's not what we want to continue.

I well, I I think our role is to identify the problem, and then make a rec a have a board vote that makes a recommendation to whatever agencies are in charge of enforcing the speed limits and posting the speed limits on the trails.

That's our rule, right?

Recommend things.

We don't have that rule power.

All we can do is recommend things.

So we'd identify the problem, make the recommendations, and we've done our duty.

Right?

Well, because yes, right, except that I believe the ability to advocate is power.

Okay.

And I didn't have control of any of the decisions.

I was in front of judges that made the decisions.

I was just an advocate.

I think is powerful.

Thank you.

Thank you.