Good morning.

Today is April 6th.

This is the local alcoholic beverage board of Marion County.

It's now in session.

My name is Tyler Graves, and I serve as the president of the board.

Today we will hear cases in Speedway, Beach Grove, Lawrence, and the rest of Marion County.

Um you see representing the town of Speedway, Mr.

Robert Staden.

Um representing the city of Lawrence, Mr.

Jim Hinnigan.

To my immediate right, uh appointed by uh the city of Indianapolis is Mr.

Peter Luster and serving as secretary of this board as exise officer Jeremiah Gillen.

This meeting is being broadcast live on Channel 16, it'll be rebroadcast several times in the coming weeks.

You're on television and the board request that you act accordingly.

At this time, please silence your cell phones so do not interrupt the hearing.

If you find it necessary to have a call or have a conversation with someone, please step out into the hallway and be respectful of others.

Here is the order in which we will conduct business this morning.

We will first ask individuals who have come to remonstrate to stand and come forward to the microphones hanging from the ceiling.

Give us your name and the name and address of the business you were here to remonstrate against.

We will then hear cases on today's docket pertaining to the town of Speedway, City of Beech Grove, and City of Lawrence.

And next we will hear all applicants for new or transfer applications on today's docket.

We will then call renewals on today's docket which have violations or remonstrators.

After we finish to today's published docket, we will consider cases that have been continued from a previous hearing.

All of those coming before the board today, whether you're an applicant representing the applicant, or are here to remonstrate, will testify under oath.

Officer Gilliam will now administer the oath.

Okay, so if you're planning to speak to the board on any matter, be it a transfer, a renewal of the violation, or anything in general.

So if you don't have your hand up, you're not planning to speak to the board, correct?

Make sure you got your right hand up.

Okay, do each of you solemnly swear or affirm under the penalties for perjury that the answers you've given on your application or any testimony you give to questions asked by this board be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

And one more quick announcement.

Um Officer Sunye, who usually sits this board as the exi uh representative.

Um wants you all to know that if you need an inspection for a permit transfer or new permit, you must contact her.

Um her business cards are up here.

You'll send her an email.

She will schedule that with you.

She will not come looking for you or contact you herself.

So any questions about that?

Okay.

Thank you.

If an applicant should have remonstrators, it has been the practice of this board to accept one request for continuance from both the applicant and the remonstrator.

Should the board deem it appropriate, additional continuances may be granted.

Are there any remonstrators in the hearing room?

Mr.

Stopp.

Chris Staub.

Uh opposing Indy Supermark 2040 East Washington Street.

Uh is there anybody here from uh Indy Supermark?

Yep.

Are you aware of any of this?

You want to step out in the hallway and talk about it?

Mr.

Staub, if you can step out of the hallway, maybe you guys can perfect take care of something yourself, and we won't have to.

Yes, sir.

Hello, Jose Monest.

Again, it's um doing business as uh BS Mexican restaurant.

Oh that was the one.

Well, he knows what you're talking about.

Okay, you're here to remonstrate against that.

Yeah.

Is there anybody in here from that establishment?

Could you say it again for me?

It's uh B yes, Pueblita, Mexican restaurant.

Well, B Less, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that was the gentleman that was just up here a second ago.

He thought he was here for a um continuance.

He did not realize he was here for representing as representing the applicant for remonstrance.

So he did not explain.

So he has left.

I think he's gone.

We're gonna have to he he's he's gone, so we're gonna have to push this to next month.

All right.

Okay, thank you.

Can you document that for any?

Yeah, thanks.

Good morning.

My name is Captain Bilkar representing Ellis Metro Province Police Department.

We're here on the point 2.0 R R 494, 3207, 3344 North Arrow and I believe it's set for today.

Patrons say 250 South Meridian, and we've asked for continuance on that.

Got it.

Continue, it's granted.

Yep.

All right, and if for the the point 2.0, we can request a contention on that one.

I'm not sure if the violation is settled on that yet, either.

So you would like to continue it's on the point.

Captain Carter.

If the if the violation is not settled, though, if you can have it.

It was mailed it, so we don't have record of when it was issued on February 20th.

I do not see any notes from Amy regarding it not being paid.

Um give me a second.

Every year comes quite over there.

I can't figure out how.

Yeah, I think this is the second request for continuance.

You think you can get everything settled up though so we can hear it next month?

Yeah, yeah, and we would recommend it as fine.

So as well.

Alright, we'll consider this uh continued.

Thank you.

Any other remonstrators?

Okay, hearing none.

Applicants appearing in Marion County are required to have four items before the board can hear your case.

We cannot, we will not hear your case if you do not have these four items.

The first, the affidavit of compliance of posting the permit advertising sign from the ATC for at least ten days prior to this meeting hearing.

The second, the advocate of compliance of or notice sent to the property owners and neighborhood organizations that you sent written notice to about today's hearing.

The third, the zoning affidavit obtained from the Department of Metropolitan Development, and fourth, the Marion County Tax Clearance Forum from the United Indiana Department of Revenue.

Okay.

You good?

All right.

Who wants to go first?

Um are we gonna cover the one for Mr.

Webb?

Uh you have one in Lawrence, right?

And then one transfer.

Yes.

So we'll go with Lawrence first, and then we'll do your transfer.

And we'll get uh we're gonna make uh special allowance here.

We've got the family emergency, so we're gonna uh we'll start with Lawrence today.

All right, we have a new one.

It's RR49437 House Girl LLC operating at 4741 North Post Road.

This one house House Grill.

Yes, sir, got it down.

Would you like to introduce your client?

Yes.

Uh divided for number completely.

I'm in the middle of the yeah, logo's and uh will be the first hand because he doesn't speak in.

Can I see the owner?

Yes, he's the owner.

All right, is this his first permit?

If it's a premium, but Nithen can get that one.

Okay, I'll ask the questions then and you can translate that'll help.

Yeah.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone prepare it for you?

He um he did the application.

Yep.

I just helped him with the other process.

Sure.

And he went to two pet last with me.

Good.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Yes.

No, hold on.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

And then they do who are the two people.

Nope.

What was the first one?

Okay, that one.

Yep.

And then you're Christian.

No, he is on Helena Yellows.

Okay.

And Christian's the other partner.

Okay, go ahead.

Yeah, I didn't get the application, so I don't.

Well, clearly you listed them because he's reading.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warranty?

Yes.

Are you applying for carry out privileges?

Okay.

No.

No.

All right.

Are you applying for limited separation?

No, no lo we utilizando.

No.

Okay.

No, he won't have that.

Okay.

All your chim.

Do you have does he have a policy and price for checking IDs?

Yes.

But what is it?

La politica es que todo lo que se ve en Daniel.

The waiters need to request the ID.

Of everyone.

For everyone, mostly if they are under 40 years of age.

Okay.

All right.

I can make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Which one is it that Mark needs?

Mark, the very last one.

VS Webb.

Yeah, all right.

All right, we have a renewal violation.

It's DL 4932456 operating as VP 51.

And this was remanded back?

Yes.

Okay.

This is a uh if it pleased the uh board uh Mark Webb for the uh uh permit holder.

This is a matter where we uh they received the notice of violation back uh in January of last year uh for um having an illegal product that they were selling and also there were issues regarding posting of signs um and it's uh all detailed in EX2404656.

Um they went before this board, I believe back in August of last year.

They were heard on that remote renewal.

Uh one of the other partners in that uh in this venture appeared and uh the local board expressed concerns about how the uh establishment was being run.

Um whether he was spread too thin to be running this establishment.

So during the the renewal was denied during the course of the appeal, um we put together a uh extensive corrective action plan that was discussed at uh the um commission hearing.

Um as this matter was being discussed for remand.

And as this matter was being discussed for remand, they got initially they got a letter of extension that expired on or about the end of July of last year.

Okay.

Of course, and then they go for renewal in August of last year.

Get denied.

So they were granted a letter of extension last Monday that took effect last Monday, seven days ago, that would get them through today, you know, just to have them appear before the local board and have the board weigh in on some of these uh changes.

So what we have done is um this establishment's owned by three individuals equally.

Although they all have the last name Singh, they're not related.

It's uh it's Smith.

Yeah, it's like Smith, yes, exactly.

So um I have with me here Kamel Jot Singh, who I don't believe has been in front of you all before.

Um after the problems that they had last year, uh the three of them made a determination, and because comeljot seems to be extremely spread thin with other permits that he's involved in that they are not involved in.

Um I'm sorry, it was Ballgender that was doing this.

Um has now taken over the store, and they've really been running a really tight shift.

They have they do understand um that they had a product that they couldn't sell, and although they did buy it from a wholesaler, that did not excuse them from having it.

Um in the interim, uh one of the more significant things that we've done is that uh we're now um going through the food and drug administration, their tobacco um uh enforcement section, and they have a um list of all permissible products, and so as they stock stuff on the shelf, they cross-reference to make sure that they're selling stuff that is legal.

Um they also have in place a um to protect against underage sales, they have in place a um POS system, a point of sale system that can't ring up a sale unless the um individual's birth date is entered into the system.

And you know, uh it's not to pick on people, some people get offended when you ask them for ID, but you know, this is a regulated industry and it needs to be done this way.

Now I'll ask you, do you will you go in there and check?

Because in that scenario, it's not really like a scanner.

A scanner can scan an ID and it logs it.

The system you have allows for an employee to punch in a birth date.

Correct.

Well, you go in and check those weekly, monthly to see if they're seeing the same date as one of your employees just putting in a fake date.

There the so what we did uh uh what I did actually, so any time you scan beer only, beer product or or any tobacco product.

You have to have enter the ID and date of birth order to proceed the sale.

Now, far as uh I don't believe they would enter any fake data of birth.

I mean, I don't I would assume they do not, but this is what we did given all the situations we've seen to this point.

I don't think it's safe to assume anything.

Well, I did what it needs to be done.

Um the data but must be entered uh before you proceeding any sales for tobacco or or beer.

And the ID must be presented about less beer it's so we I make that very clear and uh we also have the um you know that we've got everybody knows and um uh they know that they can't sell they or they've got to first off the law says you gotta ask for ID for anybody under that looks appear that appears under 40.

So that's the law, all right.

Um I think they're going farther by saying we can't do a sale.

We don't care if you're 60 or 70, we can't do a sale unless you give us a birthday, so give us an ID so we can enter the birth date.

And that's essentially what's happening, is it not?

That is correct.

A lot of people get offended, but there's too many mistakes we're making before here.

So instead of Godless now presenting ID.

So, Jim, I'd just say it this way, maybe you know, we denied we make recommendations to the state, they either support or or don't.

Uh in this case, uh they've kicked it back to us to kind of hear it a second time.

You know, view them as partners.

Um, and if they've got a corrective action plan at the state level that they feel comfortable with, you know, that's well, one of my biggest issues there's three owners, and how did this get past three owners?

That's my big well, not yeah, I have the same issue.

I mean, that means and this guy is being spread too thin, that's that's not our issue.

No, the other two partners.

He's not gone, but he's not day to day with this place, right?

So if I if I can share my point, so yeah, we do have three owners.

The two of the owners before, they're not there anyway.

I mean that they're still owner, but everything uh operation, everything's not happening under me now.

So you're taking the burden of correct, yes.

I have a question.

Sure.

Collectively, the three of you, how many different stores do you own or manage?

Me?

The three of you.

I uh they're my partners.

I have no idea how many they have.

Uh I manage about uh uh about four or five.

Yeah, and I know some of these names from other counties.

So you guys are all professional operators, correct?

Is that a fair correct?

Okay.

This permit was issued in September of 2021.

We've had three violations since then.

You've mentioned things like running a tight ship.

Um yeah, I would think after three violations and the denial that was upheld by the commission, um, you would be running a tight ship right now.

And some of these corrective action steps that you've taken, these should have been in place the day you opened, not not after you've gotten yourself in a hole.

And I'm I totally agree.

It shouldn't happen.

Uh so your responsibility is to try and convince us why we should not deny this again.

Well, like I said before, it shouldn't happen, and we're holding everyone accountable.

So what what those uh Bill Jinder who was looking everything over last a number of years, and that's why I took a possession of that position.

Uh there was too many violations happening.

Uh again, same thing over and over, it shouldn't happen.

But what I did uh is uh to me to the employees that uh uh there's no sack of chances.

If anyone uh ending up selling any product to minor, the uh the employee will be terminated right away.

And my message is very very clear.

And that maybe we we match your message, and I'm not sure how the board will vote, but uh if that's your message to your employees, that should be the message to you from this board.

If you are granted, uh that would be where I stand if we've been really lenient.

Um and if there was one more violation associated with your establishment, I would be done.

I'm only open to hearing this because the state has asked us to.

But those are my that's my two cents.

But see that you're in charge of you went through the whole store to make sure you don't have any other illegal stuff.

I mean, you you you went through all that.

Absolutely.

Because got because this nitrous this to me is just a major major problem for me.

Correct.

And if if we uh again, shouldn't happen, but well ever since uh the I mean when you got stopped there, we don't have them anymore after what's were you aware that they were there before uh I wasn't aware, I wasn't in charge of so you weren't visiting the store regularly?

No, I wasn't charge at that point.

I had the okay, but you were a partner, but you weren't okay.

Well, we have one person, one partner takes for everything, so that's why I kind of took a uh the too much too many violations.

Well, if I had a vested interest in something, I'd be there about I'd be checking it pretty close.

Well, right now we we are on it, and I'm on it.

That's why I'm looking at this.

And it's not there anymore.

Yeah.

And why is it?

Why is it not there?

Did XIS sees all of it?

Yeah, they took them.

That's why it's not there.

Correct.

And we find out it's it's illegal to sell.

We we we bought it from wholesaler with in OIS, and we're assuming if they're setting a product in Indiana, it's asked to be legal if they're selling to us.

Once we find out it's illegal, we don't have them anymore.

You just did you have it in did you have this in any of your other stores or are you just running it in this line?

No, no, no, absolutely not.

Well, why not?

We we don't sell them anymore.

I mean, we don't have no that wasn't a question.

Why wouldn't you sell them at any of the other stores if uh again at that point at that store I wasn't there?

And I wasn't taking care of the business at that person wasn't uh have to under my so to this point.

This was what denied by the local board, send to the commission.

Uh it's been remanded back at the request of the attorney to present additional information in hopes of changing the board's position.

Is that correct?

Uh yeah, yes, and also to well to to get a correct of that to correct the problem so it don't happen again.

Um professional operators should not have these problems.

I know they do sometimes, but yeah.

Well we understand uh deeply regrettable.

Um, look, it's not it's not regret any time you make a mistake, you don't want to you don't want to this is egregious.

This is a bad mistake.

This is illegal.

Yeah, I mean this this is not I mean this is I I I can't I'm assuming that the board knows this, but when we're dealing with the renewal of the existing permits, there's only three reasons we can deny it, and you would have to cite one of these in your motion.

Um whether the applicant is of good moral character, whether the permit premise has become a public nuisance, or whether any criminal offenses have taken place at the permit premise.

At least one of those.

With this gentleman at the helm, I would I would like to give him like like a year's one year.

One year with him see if you can clean it up.

With the acknowledgement.

With the acknowledgement that this is it.

I think you want to do it.

I just don't just yeah, that's my motion.

Motion to approve one year.

And I can support that.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

I'll just go with you guys on that one.

All right, pal.

That's a state of the case.

I'm gonna make a denial on that one, even though I'm outvoted.

I would deny the one year.

Thank you.

You want to change your vote?

Yeah, if we're gonna have a split vote, then I'm gonna vote to deny it.

Um which of the reasons?

Um criminal act.

Okay.

I'm gonna say moral character as well.

Um submit that to the state as a two to was two to two, so you'll go back to the state.

Your attorney will walk you through that process.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Okay.

You know what, Lawrence, do you mind if we could we even do that?

Bring the transfer up so he can get he's got a family immersion.

Uh yeah, that's fine with me.

I'm you take us one second, we're gonna hear your transfer.

Most definitely.

I want to get you to where you yeah, most definitely.

I've been there myself.

I know all about it.

Yeah.

All right.

Peter, do you know which one that was?

Which one is the two?

So it's all here right now.

Yeah, right on the tree.

Uh two.

Yes, good morning.

Calling R R 494-3315, Indian Haveli Restaurant LLC doing business as Indian Haveli Restaurant address 6566 West Washington Street.

Go and have a seat, sir.

Thank you all.

Um Mark Webb on behalf of Indian Hovily Restaurant.

Uh, I have with me Pancaj P A N K A J Beijaj B A J A J.

He goes by Peter.

Um, and this is a transfer of ownership.

This is a situation where um the prior owners, the prior owner had um settled on this location in uh on West Washington Street, not too far from the airport.

Um and he in his own mind um decided to there was a building there that was that they were going to renovate and be able to get this into use.

Uh he made a decision um after consulting with uh his architects, he didn't talk to me.

Uh they tore the building down.

So that exhausted um their ability to put this into use, and he just simply had to leave.

He had to sell out and move on.

And so um Mr.

Uh Bayaj has the wherewithal to get this done.

Um can you tell him what you're planning on doing, Peter?

Uh actually I got the uh uh uh the bank approvals and everything right now, and uh my loan is approved and everything.

The construction is going to be started in maybe in this week or next week sometime, and hopefully within about seven to eight months this would be done.

And I am planning to open the the restaurant by the by next month of means January uh next year.

January okay.

And what is this?

What do you have in mind?

This is gonna be a family restaurant, and it is going to be a family restaurant.

What are the hours of operation?

It's going to be between uh 11 plus 10.

Have you given any thought to a policy on checking IDs?

Yes, sir.

What is it?

We're going to uh use the electronic scanner scanners to a restaurant.

That's pretty good.

Yes.

Um so we've got your hour of hour of operation.

What uh how many people?

What's the capacity?

Uh sir, I guess not built, but yeah, approximately uh hundred to under 50 meaning a hundred on the uh on the restaurant side and about 100 to 150 in the even side.

We have an even though so even an event and a center on the little even center means just smaller parties and all that.

About how many employees is that?

Uh sir.

As of now, I cannot tell you what to right now means with the chef and all that I can tell you about eight to ten people or okay.

Yes.

All right.

Any further questions here?

Is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Yes, sir.

All right, let's do this real quick.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone prepare it for you?

Uh no.

Um did you have a chance to review the application when it was done?

Yes, sir.

Uh were all the answers contained in this application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes, sir.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No, sir.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Yes, sir.

Uh is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes, sir.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes, sir.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

No.

Uh, are you applying for limited separation?

No, no.

All right.

You're gonna have glob jama.

I went to an Indian restaurant yesterday for lunch, and they didn't have glob job.

I couldn't believe it.

All right.

Um, any further questions from the board?

Um, just with the event side, I know that you're still under construction, but how will you handle events?

Will you have staff that's there at the whole time?

Security, will they have to hire their own security?

Uh most probably these events are going to be on the weekends, and we're going to have the security at that point.

We've got to hire some people to do that.

Okay.

Okay.

And be there to make sure that the alcohol is served properly.

Yes, yes.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a minute.

I'm not gonna go there.

All right.

Uh well, no further questions.

Is there a motion?

Most to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, sir.

Mark, get out of here.

Thank you, sir.

All right, we're gonna go back to Lawrence there.

Good luck.

Okay.

We have a new one.

It's RR 4943671, twisted wings LLC operating as twisted wings at 11657 Fox Road.

Got it.

Thank you.

What's that?

Continuous?

May 4th, yeah.

Next meeting.

That was easy.

Okay, we have a renewal RR 4914065 Indy Restaurant Concept Inc.

operating as PT Show Club at 7916 Panton Pike.

Make a motion to renew.

Oh, I thought that had violations.

All right.

Not showing any.

Okay.

Well, motion to renew.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Okay, there's another renewal.

RR 4943234.

L Flexy Texum X Restaurant LLC.

Operating at 10625 Pendleton Pike.

Looks like sweet 12.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Renewal violation RR 4936592, 8501 Pendleton Pike Club Inc.

Operating is the Harem House at 8501 Pendleton Pike.

And they have a requested continuance on that one.

Let me have the head.

But I gotta ask is the continuance because the prosecutor is still working through the agreement?

It only shows that it was requested.

I'm with you.

I feel like it's been in the I I think we should be able to do that.

But I think it was based on the prosecutor, not the petitioner.

Well, let's see how many times they've been here.

Because we were told they're not coming back.

Huh?

We were told they're not coming back.

Oh, we were okay.

Well, I just want to be careful.

I mean, if you're right, if they don't show up three times, take it.

Um, but if it's because the prosecutor is still going through some legal process, then I think we need to respect that.

Let's see.

Oh wow.

So they were first scheduled before the Marion County Board on October 6th of 25.

Mm-hmm.

They've had several violations in this last one, it was pretty major.

And then we were we gave them a year and they come upon this one.

Okay.

So anybody in the room, any of the attorneys, uh prepares that just left for emergency.

Yeah, all right.

That was him.

Do you want a second?

But so they're looking for the most recent violation.

I think he's the one that told me that they won't be we won't be coming back.

Which is a very good thing.

Settlement offer was mailed on January 16th.

I don't see that it's been paid.

I mean, I can we can call Mark real quick and find out what's going on with it, but I think you should.

You want us to move on with the took care of AP1.

Did you give me a second?

No.

I believe that may be one of Mark's clients.

It is.

Okay.

He's trying to call it.

Okay.

What's going on with the harem house at this point?

See that there's a request to continue this.

Sold the problem.

I don't even see the violations and paid or anything.

The settlement officer was sent on January 16th.

Okay.

So the building is gone.

And we're just trying to redo the permit.

Building is sold.

So you're just trying to salvage the permit for so even though we see the summon offer, do you think it needs to be revised?

Is it we do the next month?

Is that something he agreed to?

Building still there.

Okay.

David.

With him filling in for Amy.

Amy's been on top all of this.

So I kind of interestingly.

I think we're gonna have to continue it, Mr.

Whitman.

I'll just send me an email, I guess now.

It's represented by you.

But that's about it.

So okay.

It's dead in the water anyway.

It's dead in the water.

We have penny violations there permanently, they're closed permanently represented by what?

That's it.

Okay.

I don't know.

There should be more information than that, but okay.

I think I think next month will be the last June's.

Okay.

Continue.

I don't think we have a choice.

I don't understand the point of the email here, but yeah, anyways.

Let's let's we'll kick it, we'll continue it till next month.

That'll be the final one.

They're not gonna be operational in the next 30 days anyway, so we'll deal with them in a uh May Okay.

That's continued.

You gym moving on to the town of Speedway.

Okay, R 4942 164, Elite Caribbean Bar Aristo, LLC 5836, Crawford's Hill Road.

Doing business as elite Caribbean restaurant bar.

This is a renewal without violations.

Motion for approval.

Uh motion for approval, well second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, R 4943 407.

Tutties chicken and fish LLC location pending.

They have requested a continuance.

Okay.

Mo do I need to make a motion or okay.

MD 490009.

PVFG Holdings LLC 1552 Main Street.

Suite 104 doing business, speedway city garage.

Is Alex your attorney?

Yes.

He's right there he is.

You're right.

Come on.

Yeah, this one's kind of cool.

It's the first one.

Oh, it's a new one.

Got it.

I think it's a new wall or something.

Yeah, good paper for me, right?

Yeah.

All years, Alex.

Green light on.

Good morning, board.

Alex Intermill with Bozemak Kenny and Evans.

And I've got Jeff Matthews and Jason Watson.

Um P V is Pax Vereum.

That's Jason.

And FG is founders grounds, and that's Jeff.

I'll let them get into the details, but to set the table, not their first uh permit.

Jason's got a brewery tax program up in lapel and has been has had permits for a number of years, so well versed in Indian alcohol laws.

Um great compliance record.

That'll all translate down into speedway.

This will be on Main Street, right?

Kind of at the end, next to O'Reilly's closer to the track.

So as you might uh have guessed, coffee and beer.

Um but this is a three-way license, you know, so it'll be wine and liquor as well.

Um looking forward to joining the neighborhood and getting it open before May.

Um they've already had some non-alcoholsoft opening.

Jeff tell you that's going very well.

So with that, I'll turn it over to the guys.

This is a special district.

Yes.

Could you tell the board a little bit?

So this is what's called a motor sports development district permit.

It's a special type of permit, kind of like a riverfront development or some others that the legislatures created a number of years ago.

Um and if you're within the district, which this is, um, you qualify for one of these three-way permits.

And so the first step that the guys had to go through was address the town council and the redevelopment commission and say, here's what we'd like to do, and we'd like your endorsement for this type of permit, which the council gave without issue.

And so we had that letter of endorsement from the town council that we submitted with the application to the Alcohol Tobacco Commission before even getting here today.

So it's a special type of non-quota permit that is just for um areas and locations that are within a motor sports development district, which is the name suggests.

Got it.

A large track, it's the speedway.

There may be a couple of other spots in the state, but it's really for the motor speedway.

Got it.

Gentlemen, well, that's good.

It's your clock, I do think.

Well, yeah, if you could just tell us like the capacity and what your hours are planning to be.

And I'm happy to.

So uh our capacity is uh 117 people.

Uh our hours of operation, 6 30 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

during the week.

Uh Fridays and Saturdays will open till 10.

Um that may shift a little bit during special events, of course, race time might uh necessitate a an hour or so longer, but that's what we want to stick with.

What about checking IDs?

How do you guys gonna do that?

So we've in the since we've started with our brewery and our tap room, we've had a really good process of just well-trained staff, um seasoned bartenders.

We have written manuals based on how we check IDs.

Uh we do it.

I am actually very proud of the fact that we have done an amazing job of checking IDs, making sure that we're covering you know, you know, no miners, nothing like that ever being served.

We're gonna just basically take that same procedure and take it to this next location.

Um does the transaction take place at a table, at a bar top, so it'll take place at the uh sales counter.

So when you walk in the front door, you'll walk to the the front checkout area, if you will, and you'll see the POS system, and that's where the transaction happens.

All right, they're dealing with humans.

What happens if a human makes a mistake and serves a minor?

Well, I mean, that's a that's a that's a major violation in terms of our code and what we stand for.

Um I mean uh that's like a that's that's a one time year out deal.

I mean, can't we can't random year policy?

It is, yeah.

Uh tough policies, but it's tough business.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, good.

Any further questions?

Yeah, um, Mr.

Intermel.

So I'm not familiar with motor sports district.

Any need for separation for a little while, or is this like a civic center?

It they do have limited separation for for the bar.

Is this the floor plan that you gave me?

It is, and I think we need to do we do we is there limited separation in front of the bar?

I believe there is, I don't there is not.

Yeah, in this particular case, we we don't have like separation.

Are you intended to be 21 and over?

No.

We'll sort some of that out later.

Okay, yeah, we do.

It's kind of a restaurant like laid out area with seating and it may only be temporary until we get to July service bar.

It's not there's no like.

I just need a cell phone number to contact for one of you.

I have no idea how long I'll be here.

Well, that's interesting.

You don't know how long your vacation is?

No, I don't know how long this meeting will take.

Oh just called the text beforehand and I'll make sure I can't just come back.

All right.

Okay, I'd make a motion for approval.

I'll step in.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, fellas.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

R 4929.

Dawson's on Maine, LLC 1464 Main Street doing businesses.

Dawson's on Maine.

Yeah, on it This is what a renewal violation.

Well, is there is it with violation?

Yeah, it says uh serving to a minor on the report.

I didn't get that paperwork.

You didn't get the violation.

No.

Well, if they're not here, they're not here.

All right.

All right.

Thank you.

And that should take care of Lawrence.

Is that correct?

Or I mean speed.

Did we do elite Caribbean bar?

We called them first.

We did.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, that takes care of Lawrence.

There was nothing in Beach Road and then Speedway, so we will move on to the rest of Indianapolis.

Mr.

Lester, you can call the first case.

Calling RH 494037, Delta Hotel Indy LLC.

Doing business as home, two suites Indianapolis downtown.

One fifty one one five Pennsylvania Avenue.

Delta Hotel.

There we go.

Good morning.

Do you have your application?

Come forward.

You go ahead and give that to the excise officers.

No, you come around this sec.

There you go.

He'll take a look at that.

If you have everything in order, you can go ahead and sit down.

And if you have everything in order, we'll hear the case.

Yes.

What was your name?

Catherine Bautista.

County verification.

Did you fill this out or did someone else?

I don't look at this stuff very often, but this doesn't look I was thinking there should be a stamp or something with it, is there not?

Oh Mr.

By whom?

That's it.

So look, is she sign this or is that a stand?

He signed this?

That's the sort of year.

I just had that like a signal or something.

I'm only pretending to know what I'm doing.

That's completely different.

And you've had your public notification sign posted at the building.

Is it?

Could I see that real quick?

Is it visible and accessible to the public?

Yeah, I don't really know.

The reality is what happens if Amy looks at some of the stuff and sees that it's incorrect.

You'll just be job request or remand, which will just set us back a little while.

So this is different than any of the forms that I have, but you're saying this was signed by somebody with it.

So this for the night.

Okay.

Someone else signed it.

Yes.

So home two suites has multiple licenses in Marion County.

So we won't go through the questions here, but um could you share with us uh where will this transaction take place?

So by what's alcohol?

So it would be in our sweet shop.

Um obviously we would follow all the guidelines, so we would shut down uh based on the time frame that is like mandated.

Everyone's already uh permitted, so I've made them take all their liquor license, so everyone's selling is already paperwork.

Yes, and then our fridge is gonna have that's gonna sell it, we'll have a lock on it as well.

Good.

All right.

Um nothing to the rooms, everybody has to come down to the counter.

And then what happens?

Uh tell us about checking IDs.

So checking IDs is every if we're selling it, any beverage that's purchased will be checked.

What happens if one of your employees does not check but does serve a minor?

Um it's gonna termination.

Yeah.

Okay.

Are there hours of operation?

I mean, I know the hotel's open.

24 hours.

Uh, for the market is 24 hours, but obviously for the alcohol, it'll be a little bit different.

That's why it'll be locked.

Good.

Any further questions?

Hearing none, except the motion.

Motion to approve.

All right.

I'll second.

Uh all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

I need you to come up here.

Um the affidavit that you supplied is not a state form.

I don't looks like somebody just made it.

So what was this home to home to sweet?

I mean signs been up for at least 10 days.

Okay.

If you would you put the date that it was posted here, roughly, at least 10 days ago.

Sign here.

I will fill out the rest of this.

Good to go.

Yeah.

All right.

Calling R R 494 3344, can pie sushi?

Indy LLC doing businesses.

Canpai sushi address 5375 East Thompson Road Suite A through C.

It's all good, right?

Yes.

Morning, Nick Royal Craft and Riley with me.

I have um Shang Wong, owner for Compai Sushi.

Which one?

Oh, good morning.

You're the owner?

Yes, yes.

And so it's your name on the license.

Um, who who are you, sir?

This is my product.

Okay, just moral support.

Thank you.

Is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

I think it's second one.

So you have another license?

What county is that in?

Um Independence Pie is moving ponding.

All right.

Um I think it's a memory content.

How long have you had that?

About six almost six months.

Oh, six months.

How many violations in six months?

Nothing.

Good.

Yeah, it was hopeless.

Yeah.

All right.

Um could you tell us about your policy for checking IDs?

So we have a policy checking ID for all employees, so every day when they walking, so we have manager gotta be checking the ID first, then go through the looking.

And also we have uh before chain, so we have their ID, you know, I would have policy rule.

It's part of your policy rules.

Okay.

Um what is the capacity of your location?

Um should be about two 220.

220 in that restaurant?

Yes, yeah, it's a very very north side as well, and it's a similar concept of the um the uh conveyor belts um sushi restaurant, so very large space.

Is this beer and wine?

Yes.

Okay.

And your hours of operation?

Um, we days uh I know Friday and Saturday to 11.

Yeah.

And um what happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

I'm sorry.

Yeah, if one of your employees sells uh sells a beer to someone who's under 21, what would happen to that?

Oh, basically just community, yes.

Terminated?

Yes.

Do you have any questions about the license and the rules and regulations associated with the license?

Any questions?

No, I don't.

Do you have any questions about the license?

No.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

All right, I'll accept a motion.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Good luck, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Calling R R 4943470 L Catrachito Restaurant LLC doing businesses El Catrocito restaurant number two, address 3561 English Avenue.

Good morning.

You take your application to the officer.

Yes.

Everybody wants to go down the bath.

All right, let's see what we got.

You guys might notice.

Is that how that works?

Oh, I fell, I don't know.

Man just kind of looks at it and tells us go or no go.

Yep.

I got nothing.

Okay.

Well, we'll just ask them who filled this out and yeah.

Well, part of the process would be.

Who am I speaking to?

You or you?

And you are the translator?

Yes.

Is there a green, is the little green dot lit up?

It is.

Okay, so we can hear you.

Your name is ma'am.

Marlene Santos.

And what's your relationship to these two?

I employ for them.

I'm an employee.

Your employee, okay.

And then what is your names?

Uh Lilian Franco.

It is Franco.

And relatives?

Um familiaris?

Question.

Oh, okay.

Um, is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Um, you have other ones.

How many?

One.

Where?

Um 440 norms high school room?

Okay.

All right, so it's in Marion County.

How long have you had that?

One year.

One year?

How many violations?

Quanta violence tiene alguna?

No.

And this is a restaurant.

Yes, they're unresigned.

Okay.

Who filled out the application?

Uh, we did it with the help of Marlene Centers myself.

Okay, so the three of you filled out the application?

Okay.

And just to be clear, uh Marion County has paperwork that I'm not used to seeing, and sometimes there's variations of that.

Um, so far all the files I've gotten are a little bit different.

If there's anything missing or anything that's out of order, um it will be the permit will be remanded back, so that could be corrected.

So there could be a delay if there's anything wrong with the paperwork, just so you know.

In Maryong County.

Wonderful.

This is not his full, it's his full time job, but not for this county.

He's filling in, so it's a little different.

We understand.

Okay, let's get started.

Um do you have a policy for checking IDs?

Um they asked for the ID, check the ID and check the birth dates on the IDs.

For everybody who wants alcohol?

Okay.

Um what is the capacity of your restaurant?

What is the 85?

Uh how many employees do you have?

Um where does the alcohol transaction take place?

Um the pin standing.

She has if this including this uh payment check or if I walked in to to have lunch and I wanted a beer, who would I ask and where would that happen?

Okay, see El llega su restaurante y el PD Una bebida a King and Le Pregunta Purum Alamister on the waitress.

The waitress.

And all of your waitresses have the correct uh permits.

And you're clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with having an alcoholic privilege license.

Okay.

You have uh the waitresses, do they uh you have waitresses speak English and can read IDs?

Then English can layer los ID.

Okay.

It is okay that they don't know everything, but they need to reach out to someone who can help them understand it.

There are businesses that can help with that.

See those negotiates.

Okay.

All right.

Well with that I'll accept the motion.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Thank you.

Calling RR494 3477, Ty Bliss LLC doing business as time bliss.

Address 5335 East Southport Road.

No, hold on.

Tide Bliss.

Moving on.

Moving on to transfer applications.

Calling RR 494 0377, R Lee Valdez doing business as V Vila Publita Mexican restaurant 3815 West Washington Street.

That was the one that's going to be continued because they had remonstrance that we accidentally sent.

Yeah, oh yeah.

Calling RR49443207, the point 2.0 LLC doing business as the point, address 3344 North Harlington Avenue.

And that was continued.

IMPD's request.

Yeah.

We've already done this one.

So it'd be the calling RR494 3422.

RIY construction LLC address location pending.

III construction.

Calling RR 494 3499, 3 Agave's Mexican Rust Mexican Grill in Cantina LLC doing business as three agave Mexican grill in Cantina, address 1280 West Southport Road.

Good morning, S.

Good morning.

Before we get started, uh Officer Sunny made a note that there is no orange public notification sign posted.

Yeah, that uh is this is what happened.

This is Mr.

Francisco Garcia.

Um days after we uh put in place the uh the application the uh the base must catch on fire.

Hold on a second.

There's no sign.

I'm trying to if there's no public sign posted.

We can't hear it.

We can't hear there is no posting sign because the building was on fire.

It doesn't so the rule would have to still say Esther, uh, because we gotta have those four pieces, one of them being that documentation.

So if that documentation was it was on there, but then it caught fire, but then still the people around wouldn't be able to see it.

So it'll have to be continued for a month.

Okay are they going to rebuild here or uh they might be, but we don't know how long it's gonna take to rebuild it.

Currently, this is advertised and gonna be set to this specific address.

If you end up needing to move, then you're gonna want to amend the application anyway to find some place that it's operational.

So at this point, even if they there is no place to put the sign, we can put it on on the street.

Yeah, get on get some sort of metal frame from Lowe's or Linard's, or build your own wooden frame and make sure it's laminated and make sure it's accessible and visible and okay, or you could amend the application to show location pending.

I don't it just depends on your plan.

Okay, so we we want to do the thank you.

So I just want to be consistent.

Yes, so we'll have it we'll at least have you back next month.

Yes, if that changes, let Officer Sunny know.

Yes, maybe by then we have a new location, but I I think it's gonna take a little wee to rebuild the building.

Oh, I'm sure thank you very much, and we'll either see you next month or whatever you figure out what you're gonna do.

Calling RR 494 3509 Indy Punjabi Daba Inc.

Address 1551 West Thompson Road.

Hello?

Okay, doesn't seem like a lot of motors.

I'm not sure.

It's not all there.

We'll see.

It's not all here?

No, no, no.

No, she doesn't.

That was my statement.

Don't look like it, but I don't know.

Maybe.

Did you send letters to all the neighbors?

Yes.

I think that's what we're missing.

We don't have a list of do you have that list available?

I mean, maybe not on you, but is it an email or something?

Yes, I can check.

Okay, because what you can do is after the hearing, you can send that to the officer.

Can I do that?

Yeah, as long as you're now here.

I'll tell you this.

If he doesn't receive that, then none of this matters.

But if he does receive that, we'll accept it after the meeting.

Of course, yeah.

We've seen that happen.

Where the paperwork here is as fast.

Oh, you can add this.

Do you want to get my email address?

If you can find it, I'll type it in for you.

I'm gonna actually ask my husband to yes, I'm ready for your email.

Here, I'll just type it in for you.

Okay, I was gonna text him if you can.

Yeah, yeah, good Easter.

I think it was very very reflexing.

Yeah, it needs to change.

Which trip do you go to?

Best I can tell.

Sunday.

Maybe it's gonna change.

We went to an Indian restaurant for lunch.

Don't have the last time.

Not my wife's in, but we've done that for the last few years.

Um was mail sent out to all the local neighbors letting them know?

Yes.

And a sign is posted at the business?

Yes.

Okay.

Is this your first alcoholic beverage license in the state of Indiana?

Yes.

All right, we're gonna run through some questions.

Please answer loud enough we can hear you on the the microphones.

Did you prepare prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

I prepared it with the help of uh my accountant.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in this application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything that you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Yes.

Uh is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carry-out privileges?

No.

Are you applying for limited separation?

No.

All right.

Okay.

Do you have uh well?

Let's start with this.

Is a restaurant.

Um where will the alcohol transaction take place?

Um at the tables.

At the table, all of your employees will be permitted and trained.

Yes, it's a family-owned restaurant, it's a very small, so my myself will be um dealing with data operations or my husband, so we'll be there.

Yes.

Um, are you clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with having an alcoholic privilege license?

Yes.

Um, what happens if one of your employees does serve a minor, especially since they're family?

Right.

Well, we're gonna be there, so it's my husband or I.

I don't think that will happen, but if an employee does do that, termination.

Okay, is that part of a written policy?

Um, yes.

Good.

All right.

Um has so do you own the building?

Are you renting it?

Renting.

Who's on the lease?

Uh myself.

Just you.

Yeah.

Okay.

And who's on the corporate entity that holds the permit?

Myself.

Okay.

Does anybody else have financial interest in the business?

No.

Okay.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Most motion to approve.

I can second that.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

I will be sending that.

Yeah, that's fine.

And then you understand that if you need an inspection, you're gonna have to get a hold of Officer Sanyi.

Yes.

Her card is right here.

You can grab a card or take a photo of it and make sure.

Okay, thank you.

Calling R R 494 3567.

So Soke Entertainment LLC doing business banquet.

Address 4435 North Keystone Avenue Suite 14.

Yeah.

Could you help my friend pronounce it?

What is it?

Okay.

All right.

So Jeff McKean, I have um Anna Denverville and Yves Denverville.

They're two owners of Sukay.

Um they've actually had a permit at this location.

It was a catering hall permit.

It's on North North Keystone, 44th in Keystone, basically.

They've had a permit since 2018.

Um they had an issue last year where uh they had an event and the people for the event were allowing outside folks to come that weren't on a list.

So they did have a violation.

Uh Officer Swallow indicated to them that if they were to get a regular uh type um 210 permit, if that were to happen, it wouldn't be a violation, yeah.

So um they do uh all the events themselves, they're always there.

Um their staff works the events, they have an IMPD officer for working security as well as other security staff.

Um the venue does seat 250 people.

Um be happy to answer any questions you have.

What was the what permit that they have originally?

A catering hall permit at the same location.

In fact, it's still there and active.

If this permit is issued, that permit doesn't have any value, it'll go away, and they would just have the 210 permit.

So the catering hall is not subject to quota, but they do have to meet the seating requirements of 250 and not be open to the public.

Okay.

So help me through this.

Officer soon, you sent me some notes about this one.

So they also have a renewal violation on their current catering hall permit.

Correct.

That's not up today, that's coming up.

It is up today.

Okay, but it it's on the renewal list.

The violation had been settled, and it's the one that we talked about because they because there were outside people not on a list.

That was this effectively the citation.

That permit, while it would be renewed today, they don't need it anymore, and it'll go back.

Um we we submitted a letter along with this application that if this permit is granted, that one would revert to the state.

So what was that violation?

Um open to the public.

I see disregarding cease and desist order from the commission.

So they had um in prior years, there had been some similar events.

IMPD notified them, uh, had issued cease and desist orders, uh, notified them about the events, they canceled those events, they had never occurred.

Um there was one that occurred last year where um officer and his team came in after the event, it had been held, and there were people that had come to the event that weren't necessarily on a list.

It was a sexy Sunday, uh it was a Haitian group on Sunday evenings, they did several events.

Am I correct on that?

And there were people that were not technically not guests, they'd put it out on social media and and people had been able to come to the event that weren't listed.

So I understand correctly they had a cease and desist from IMPD to stop doing those sorts of events.

They canceled some of them.

One of them still happened sometime later, which is this sexy Sundays evening.

No, it didn't happen.

I thought the sexy Sunday had occurred.

No, it did not occur.

Was it didn't I got a uh I got a cease and decease for that?

It did not occur.

So you did not hold that evening.

No, no, no.

You canceled those events, but hadn't hadn't the um the uh team come in with Officer Swallow, and there had been an event that had been held prior, and they believed that that had been on social media, so they were cited for the event.

There are no problems with it, no difficulties, but they admitted that somebody the the person that was hosting the event had gone out on social media, invited people, and that had previously happened, correct?

It happened to be.

That's why they were cited then.

Sort of publicly promoting it.

What's that publicly promoting it?

Yes.

Yeah, so what I'm trying to understand is this event happened, the one that got out on social media that we're talking about.

This happened after the cease and desist from IMPD.

Or prior to the cease and desist from IMPD.

They had had cease and desists, I think the prior year, and they canceled those events.

There was then another event that had been publicized on social media by the host of the event, unbeknownst to them, and when the uh officer swall and his team came in, they acknowledged the event had occurred.

He had evidence that it had been promoted on social media, so that's they were cited for that.

They didn't know until that time uh until after he came in after the event had occurred.

Okay, then it had been promoted online.

Right.

And his solution was well, if you get a type 210 permit, you gotta go out and buy it.

But if you get this type of permit and anything like that were to happen, it wouldn't be a violation.

So that's why their appointments.

This is a little loop polish, but okay.

So operationally, this is a essentially catering hall facility not open to the public.

Generally, generally, generally events, yes.

And are you two operating this business?

Yes, or is your sole responsibility to lease out the facility to other businesses to come in?

Um no business come in.

We we let's say you want to have a uh a wedding, then we will be there and and and cater uh whatever it is that you would need and do and you know the decoration and things like that for you.

They are always there for everything.

And we are always there, we've never missed one.

If the only time he missed one, his mom was in the hospital, and so we are always there.

So what of your what are your new hours of operation?

What do you propose?

Uh we could applied so with this, you've applied for a restaurant license, and there are requirements for a restaurant license that different from a catering hall.

So there's gonna be some sort of operational change to the business.

So what sort of hours of operation?

Uh we they uh uh during the weekend, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, up to 11, and sometime if it's a special event, we might go a little longer.

And you're opening what sort of events would you have on those days?

Uh what do you what do you mean?

What types of events would would be hosted?

What sorts of events?

We uh that's my that's my wife and that.

And uh what we really do beside that we could provide like like jazz a blue special event.

Who's gonna be hosting these?

That would be us.

So tell us about your menu.

What sort of food options are you going to have?

We're gonna have like a milk and milk uh coffee sandwiches and also uh Caribbean.

We have a Caribbean meal that we we provide.

So Officer Sony has some concerns about your ability to meet the qualifications of a restaurant, habitually open to the public.

Um, and do you have adequate kitchen space to run a restaurant?

Or are we just getting a restaurant license so that you can have open to public events as a catering hall operation?

Are we changing to being a restaurant?

They're not gonna be open on a Tuesday night.

They will be open, you know, often on weekends and special events.

They meet the minimum requirements for food.

They also through the Marionette County Health Department, they have a commissary uh license to provide for larger events as well.

And they're not requesting a catering hall designation, no.

So they're going to have to meet the qualifications of a restaurant, right?

Not just minimally, but operationally as well.

Yep.

I'm not yeah, I'm probably gonna agree that I'm not sure that they're gonna be able to do that, but I I think I think what I'm seeing is that it's a they're just trying to get around the open to the public requirements or limitations of the catering hall permit by going to a 210, which isn't I mean completely uncommon, but yeah, I mean they're not trying to get around it.

They were, you know, essentially they didn't want to get in trouble, and they said, Look, here's the best solution you have to this problem, as long as we make operational changes to meet the requirements of the restaurant.

Right.

And are you clear on what those changes will be?

What you're gonna you're gonna have to do some things differently to have this new permit.

Are you are you clear on that?

Yes.

We just don't want you to walk out and be surprised by maybe some added expense and um I I too agree.

I feel like we're trying to get around the catering.

Well, as long as you meet the requirements, then you've done so.

And um, you know, one thing about catering to any time they come in front of us, it's always weddings, bar mitzvahs, things like that, but then when they come in front of us trying violations, it's always sexy Sundays, and always strange things nobody ever brings up when they're applying for one of these.

It's always after they get in trouble.

So what would you do differently?

Um let them answer they they have had the permit since 2018.

No problems, no police runs, you know, none of those issues other than the sort of the administrative piece of this, but but you know, no and and the way the way we are set up, um we set up we we we make sure that there's no um no problem.

We have we have metal detectors, we have uh we have two metal detectors for people when they come in.

We have uh uh put uh IMPD is always there, whatever, even if it's a birthday party for uh whatever it is, we always have security there, not only in the parking lot, but also inside.

We have it, we have it everywhere.

I assume you have a contract that the people who rent um is there any language in there to either limit or yes, I don't know how you say it, but to take the social media component out of there?

Uh I can see a piece of language in there that says you can have a party here, but if we find out you're promoting it all over social media, it won't really matter with this permit though, because they are allowed to be open to the public.

Yeah, you're right.

Allowed to be open to the public.

Yeah, that we have that with the with the uh with the permit that we currently have.

But he brings up a good point.

You do have good track record.

Yeah, but I'm Peter.

Sounds to you've gone above and beyond what a lot of the catering halls have.

Yeah, they complain, they say, why do we need my mother's 90?

Why do I need to have uh metal detector?

I said, well, if you don't want that, then maybe we're not the right place for you.

And also sorry, and sorry, I'm not trying to touch your shop, right?

And uh Suke, what is mean is not about like the county, it's more like a quality, it's for the whole community, get together, where they could have a place for them.

It could be anybody, but we will need to care about what's coming in and how we receive them, and that's why we'd be here for that problem.

So that's where we we match up.

You have concerns that you're focused on, and the board wants to make sure it's fine that it's for the community.

We want to make sure it's done legally and safely.

Fair?

Yes.

The uh the public facing part of this, whereas uh you have an event, and do you essentially have a promoter promoting it on social media?

I think that's the well, this is the example that was given.

So you're shaking your head, but that was the example that was given.

Um I think that uh that is where with this new license where you should be uh most careful and aware about uh what's coming in because obviously if it's a uh bar mitzvah or birthday or wedding, those things.

I mean, you know what I'm saying?

That's in your control, but if you give it to a promoter and they just like hey, come and if you and I'm just making this up, but if you give them the door and all of a sudden they're not washing IDs and stuff like that, that's where things can be a problem.

Yeah, absolutely.

They don't they don't do that, and the thing I we we um I had a conversation with um I am pd Tiffany just earlier this week and discussing, you know, they acknowledge that that any time they've showed up, they've been very cooperative, and we said to them if you have concerns because I am PD sometimes monitors social media and knows in advance in the events that were canceled were events that IMPD had come to them and said, Hey, this isn't what you think it is.

So we had indicated to IMPD as well.

We're glad to continue to have that you know, partnership or collaboration as well.

You know, yeah.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Most motion to approve you want it.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR 494 3581 Viva Group Inc.

doing business of Marita Mexican Kitchen.

Address 5051 South Keystone Avenue.

North Kentucky Avenue.

Oh, yeah.

5051 South Kentucky Avenue.

Sorry.

What do you think?

Keystone.

Good morning again.

I have Gerardo Gonzalez Vivar, who he is the owner of um Viva Group operating as Marita Mexican Kitchen.

Uh to tell you a little bit about Jaro.

He has currently before we began the Merida Mexican kitchen concept.

Uh three locations, Brownsburg, Fisher's, Pendleton.

They've been operating the longest one, about 15 years.

They've had no violations in the last 10 years.

They are opening four Marita Mexican kitchens in Mooresville, Plainfield, Danville, and then this one in Indianapolis.

So they've been in the business a long time.

So this is some traditional license.

We're transferring into his name.

This is this license had this facility had a Mexican restaurant before, but it's not that one.

I think they got into some tax issues.

It was a Los Patios.

So this is a different permit they purchased and are open opening their own new restaurant.

Family family restaurant.

It's on Kentucky Avenue outside of 465, sort of at the edge of Marion County, out toward the airport, but but west of uh 465.

Yeah.

And they did acquire a number of the previous, not the permits, but the businesses for us.

They went in and took over the locations.

Yeah.

All right, sir.

So you've had a license for a while in the state.

How many violations do you have on your license?

Um none.

None.

So I'm familiar with their operation going all the way back to when they opened in Brownsburg and then the one in Fisher's and they do have an excellent track record and run a very nice operation.

They they had one violation more than 10 years ago in Brownsburg.

Yeah, but I don't think uh it wasn't undermining it yet, though.

So it's not correct.

Okay.

Um what's the capacity of this place?

This one is about 90, 95, including employees.

How many employees will you have?

Rhina we have uh about uh about seven.

About seven?

Yeah.

They're currently operating without alcohol and have been for a few months.

Yes, yes.

What happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

Uh we'll probably terminate it.

Probably well, terminating completely is that in your policy?

Yes, we do.

We do have a uh what is your policy?

Uh well we have a booklet that uh with all the uh policies and guidelines for our employees that they have to sign uh before they are hired.

Uh so our uh policy I said that uh if uh employee uh serves alcohol to a minor, we will terminate it.

How do you track the employee permits to make sure that they're current?

Uh we have uh a file of all our employees uh and we do check it regularly.

Uh since we have probably close to 50 employees all over all restaurants, so we do have a file of all of them.

Okay.

Any further questions?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

We'll start with a motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling RR494-3617 PWW ND downtown LLC doing business as Hooters of Indy Downtown, 3110, address 25 25 West Georgia Street.

They have requested a continuance of the attorney.

Closed calling RR 494-3622, Psalms Hospitality Group Inc.

doing business as Big Love Building Station address 2310 Shelby Street.

Isn't there a big lug?

Isn't there a big lug right?

I mean, is this the same thing?

It is.

It is good morning again.

Alex Intermill for the record, Leah Williamson with Psalms.

Um I think as you were just noting, this is the Garfield Brewery, and on the South side, maybe you weren't just noting that.

I just I know the name.

Oh, big lug.

Oh, sorry.

Well, yes, and we'll get to the big lug as well.

So this is um the former Garfield Brewery on the South Side.

Um's which is also Big Lug Brewery is their brewery concept, is um transferring the license and take over operations there.

You're familiar with Soms, they've got locations in Marion County, all of the policies, training, etc.

will be um moved into this location as well, so that'll be consistent.

They've got a great compliance record and reputation in the state.

Um so we're excited about coming in.

We field any questions that that you may have, but it is simply a transfer of ownership to go in and and get started and take over.

He mentions that you have a good track record, or at least in my opinion, some if rarely if ever been in here for violations.

Anything change with this location?

No.

Same policies, same attention to detail.

Same attention to what happens if an employee does serve a minor.

If an employee serves a minor, we will retrain.

We believe in second chances.

It's your business.

Okay, good.

Is this a restaurant, brewery?

Uh I missed that part.

It is not a brewery.

Uh it was a previous brewery.

We uh where we have a kitchen, we'll serve food and beer and wine.

Okay.

So will you guys get rid of the brewery equipment that's already there?

Or it's gone already.

It left the previous owner.

All right.

Okay.

Any further questions?

No.

Hearing now, do we have a motion?

Most to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Calling R R 494 3672.

Tricks LLC doing business is above us barring grill address 10030 East Washington Street.

East wow, okay.

May 4th?

Yeah.

Yeah, we had no sir.

I was gonna say that confused me.

I thought he was walking up.

All right.

Um I'll tell you what.

I'm gonna take a five-minute comfort break.

Sounds great.

Uh uh, we're gonna take a five-minute comfort bread before we move into violations.

My apologies.

So at the end of this uh no one else in here with that at all.

So what now?

Listen, uh, I normally on these meetings, I don't look anything until after one, just in case everybody shows up.

And we have a lot of really tough ones.

But I've been pleasantly surprised.

The past couple months is just keep getting pushed.

So many of the big ones just keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's like, are they gonna actually show up?

Who knows?

Yeah, it's interesting meeting to say the least.

Okay.

Calling the meeting back to order, all of the same rules that applied are still in place.

All right.

Calling RR 4905850.

My I mean ink bloom.

This is a Silk Show Club address 3512 Madison Avenue.

IMPD has requested a continuance.

Calling RR4904646, Buckeye Beverage Corp.

Doing business as Connors Pub address 6331 North Ferguson Street.

Pending violation, continued until next month.

Calling R R 491-2302, Core of Indiana Enterprise doing business as Rock Lobster address 820 Broad Ripple Avenue.

Um we have a violation report here.

Oh, you have your attorney do you know why you're here?

Yes, sir.

Why?

Uh we got a violation uh two of them.

We had one for uh high-end fine, and then we also had the uh uh we had a employee that didn't have a permit uh ballot.

What is your name?

Steve Wentland.

Are you the current owner?

Yes.

Okay.

So here's my last name?

W-E-N-T-L-A-N-D.

Gotta think, sir.

What was your first violation?

You said um we had to I met with Amy, she came out and did our butt we had a high-end fine uh from back before I took possession of it.

The former owner had been charged with several don't need accounts, uh huh.

But has not been prosecuted, it's just had an indictments.

Okay.

Why is that your problem?

I'm not sure.

I had to go in and meet with uh prosecutor and Amy at your office.

And you're that's why they postponed this last time until we had our meeting together and uh had a discussion at that time.

Did you guys get the notes that Amy we got it right here?

You mean the violation report?

No.

We don't get the notes.

Okay, this is probably stuff she just sent for me, so I understood.

So were both of you on the ownership before?

No.

Or was he just a manager?

He was just employed by me.

Okay.

Charismatic, well-liked gentleman, was that?

Yeah.

I mean, he owned that bar for close to 30 years uh when I bought it from him.

And you kept him on.

Correct.

And then the violations were really tied to him and his issues.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

He went from an owner to a manager.

Um, not a manager.

He was just employed by me.

Um when I bought those bars, I also owned the one across the street.

Yeah.

Uh, and I had another location.

Um, kind of respected guy, been in business for 30 years.

I kind of want him to go out on his own.

I offered him to stay on.

He was there basically in the day to receive some of the orders because we didn't open until in the evening.

Um cleaned, did you know, stocks and stuff, did whatever I had for him to do on the list.

Um and the deal was I was gonna let him do it for a year and a half, two years until he wanted to retire and be done.

Um paid him twenty bucks an hour.

He just didn't want to sit at home and not do nothing.

He'd been doing that job for 30 years in that same location, lived down the street, been around Broaderville very long time.

So it was kind of I don't know, kind of as a favor, I guess.

I just felt like he deserved to go out on a he's kind of ingrained in the bar in the community and all that.

Yeah.

So my bag go ahead.

Um so as I understand it, after some of those discussions with the ATC staff and his connection to the alcohol permit in the business operation.

You've decided to cut ties with him.

Yeah, I was I kind of just felt like there maybe wasn't a comfort level with them with me keeping him on, and it was kind of recommended that for me to proceed on it.

I probably should cut ties.

So we had that discussion the day after I met with Amy.

Uh, and then uh he parted ways.

And you are technically the the new owner?

Yes.

Okay.

Um says she has no no issues with you at all.

This I think was the was a real issue with I think was that Rob.

Rob, yes, sir.

Yeah.

What about the uh permits?

Um we at that time we uh have a couple of staff members that we really only use for like the big bar calls for CCA.

Don't work a lot.

She came in, unfortunately.

I didn't pay attention to see that her license had expired just prior to that.

Um we have them in a folder, they're set up front.

I mean, we have them in our Google Doc uh calendar, so it like gives us 30-day notice on the time that one's gonna expire.

And we check a little check it better.

Okay.

So who gets the notification?

Uh the third I do myself.

Okay.

And you're the owner.

Turn your name on the license.

It's my license.

I'm the one that has to come to these meetings.

The gentleman with the issues, he's gone.

Absolutely.

No relationship with your business.

No.

And then the permits, we've got the Google Dots, we're or docs.

We're uh we're tracking that to make sure that those don't happen again.

More of uh, I guess comfort feeling for me to understand this.

Uh I kind of felt like it was kind of you know push for me to make him leave.

Um he's not even been found guilty yet.

So I it was kind of weird to me that it was such a big, you know, deal for me.

I paid him 20 bucks an hour, he didn't sign checks, he didn't do anything managerial.

Literally was I mean, in there to receive orders so I didn't have to sit there through the day when you know I'm doing stuff till three in the morning.

And ultimately the commission didn't force you to get rid of him.

That was a decision made on your own.

I was feeling like this this meeting would have gone a lot different if if I hadn't.

I mean, it was my feeling, my personal feeling could just have been me over reading it, but I just felt like they were really not appreciative of him being there.

I mean I think to the point that Tyler was gonna make when there are a lot of responsibilities that come with these licenses, including whose name is on paperwork or who's affiliated with a business, so there are rules around that.

So I mean, you understand that you've owned other things before, so it's like it just comes along with the territory.

So we as a business owner, you it's a personal Isaac have to be careful and thoughtful about how you engage.

Like you made the decision to kind of keep him around a little while longer, understanding all of the situations that were going on.

So it's like, you know, those are that just comes along with it, like it is gonna be scrutinized if there's somebody involved who has issues.

Add understand the separation between they work at excise full-time, 40 hours a week or more.

We're uh we live in Marion County.

Sure.

We've been picked out to serve on this board.

So we weren't in that conversation.

I couldn't tell you who to hire and fire and wouldn't.

But I can understand where law enforcement may say, hey, this, you know, this whether smoke there's fire sometimes.

Sure.

Uh but that's a decision you can only make this board as no.

I did make the decision on my own.

I was just uh just more of a question.

I get it.

So you know me once his case isn't settled that you couldn't bring them back, so I think that door's closed.

Yeah, well, I know.

Well, I'm just thinking.

Okay.

So we have what, two different violations.

Is that correct?

So the first one had charges for retailer dealer permittee management representative duties and responsibilities.

I'm assuming that's related to Rob.

Okay, the minimum menu requirements.

What was that specifically?

Do we remember?

They had, I mean, we had the microwave on the rock lobster part, uh, because it was more of a nightclub.

Uh that's one of the things they made came out for that we've changed now.

We've made all three of those locations as one.

So we have the kitchen from average dozer.

Um, and now it's underneath just one liquor license.

Yeah.

Um, all operates as one location.

So you're not meeting the food requirements?

Yeah, that that issue is resolved now because we have a full kitchen.

Okay, and then I think you mentioned this one earlier.

The examination of permit by employer.

So you had somebody without a permit.

Okay.

How expired was it?

Um, I want to say like 35, 40 days.

I mean, it wasn't very long if I read this was a temporary employee that you just put in.

She just she actually works for Marion County, but she just helps us sometimes when we have the big bar cross when we kind of do special events.

Okay, so the second violation.

Determination of reputation and character and then high and fine reputation.

Correct.

I got a settlement offer for that.

I paid both of those.

Sell my officer offer off of the offer from the state or from the state.

Department of Revenue, because it looks like there's some tax issues, right?

Uh there were the other guy, though, in it.

Yeah, the tax stuff was all prior.

There's indictments for the gentleman we're talking about.

His house has been raided.

Okay.

So the and when does was cited, Rob was still an owner listed on the license.

Was the stock transaction, so we did document the change of the stock so that took Rob off and put on uh Steve and his partner as the two new owners.

So to be clear.

The business through one of the owners, with the does he what 27 counts of failure to keep records open for examination level six felony?

Is that all tax stuff?

Well that has to do with basically their alleging that he was underreported uh total taxable sales and the amount of just under four million dollars.

That's what yes, what they're saying.

Okay.

So one of the owners was involved in this, but this is all related specifically to the business, right?

Well, I's a batini to own the bar for 30 years.

That's who I bought it from.

That's who all those charges are involved with.

Okay.

Are you guys at all four familiar with this?

Yeah.

Okay.

So did he lose the license or no?

So just part of that you decided to buy it and move him out but keep him on.

Okay.

He has no financial interest in the business whatsoever?

Not at all.

He's not a part of the business at this point.

It was just an hourly employee, but he was part of the business and helped create this problem.

And then we remove him.

How in so the part of revenue went after him as an individual or after the business, or right now it's the Marion County prosecutor has indicated to make the indictments.

Against Against the Company and Rob Sapatini.

The company which you were you know.

Rob Robert Tini is the one that's been indicted, yes, on the connection to this gym, no.

No.

Okay.

So even though you were an owner at the time, you're not wrapped up in this?

I was not an owner until after the indictment stuff came down.

We bought it after we had uh it been in talks prior that that happened.

They raided the house.

We'd already been in discussions of it.

We continued through.

I was assured by my attorneys that there was no way it would recourse back to us.

Okay.

And uh I've owned it since.

I heard some of this on the news, but because this wasn't my area of coverage, it just wasn't as important.

So you guys know more about this.

I'll rely on you with all this stuff.

So yeah, I mean the violations as they pertain to you are permit out of order.

And then the high and fine is in regards to this gentleman who was an employee of yours.

He's no longer an employee of yours, he's gone.

He's got to fight his own battles with the prosecutor and all that, but he's not here, and that's none of this board's business.

So you've answered for me why we won't have expired permits moving forward.

And then in regards to the other fellow, he's gone.

Yes, sir.

So I'm if you tell this board he's gone, he's not coming back.

I'm not coming back.

All right.

Um further questions?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

And you have the option for a one year if you want to do that as well.

Yeah, but I can't, I just I can't pen it on you.

I have multiple liquor licenses.

I've never been in trouble for anything.

Yeah, you bought a bar because the guy got himself in trouble.

I see it.

Um motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Yep.

Thank you very much.

Uh all right.

Now the other guy, he might got hammered.

Calling RR 492 5829, David Busters of Indiana, LLC doing business as David and Busters.

Address 8350 Castledon Corner Drive.

Nobody's moving.

David and Busters.

All right.

Calling RR490 4389 RCI Dining Services Indiana doing business as the pony.

Any violation continued.

Calling DL 4930983.

Yeah.

Car Kerpa and LLC doing business as the liquor barn.

Address 1801 South Emerson Avenue.

Does anybody hear from them?

Uh no, actually, Mark Webb, or Mark Polombero is an attorney he requested or the representative requested a continuance for both.

Okay.

I'll call it this for the record.

DL4930984, Carkerpa LLC, doing business as a liquor bar, address 6002, Southeastern Avenue.

Continued.

Calling RR 493 4931, BSL Entertainment LLC doing business as Patron Saint.

Address 250 South Meridian Street.

IMPD requested a continuance.

Um they are planning to remonstrate.

Yep.

Calling DL 493 1591, Village Liquors LLC doing business as Village Liquors, address 3612 West 30th Street.

Okay.

I believe there is Roman.

Oh, say that again.

On 30th Street.

Yes.

Philly.

Yeah.

That's a tomate four.

Sure.

Calling RH 493 0150.

IN DSP Traviti Hospitality LLC doing business as courtyard by Marriott, Indianapolis South.

All right.

Calling CH493 0097.

Uh Suki Entertainment LLC doing business at Suki Banquet.

Address 4435 North Keystone Avenue Sweet 14.

Yeah, that shouldn't take two file.

This is the renewal of the catering hall.

And we we went out and talked, and it here's we'll do whatever you want to do here.

The thought was that that permit was going to go away if the other one is issued.

They have one event that is a graduation party.

So the new permit will be only an over 21 establishment, okay, with the the new 210.

The one we just did.

The one you just did, right?

They have one event in May that's a graduation party where no alcohol will be served, but it's a graduation party, both high school, they have two children, one in high school, one in college.

Okay, so they wanted to have that event with no alcohol.

Um so the question, it's an interesting question under the new limited separation requirements.

If they had no alcohol and the kids were just there eating, could they be there under the new permit?

Because typically, if you're if you're limited separation, because they won't have limited separation.

Yes, other stuff that'll take effect possibly later.

With parent guardian.

They have to be in the facility with the parent guardian for the purposes of eating a meal.

Not birthday party.

I think there's a disconnect in those.

Okay.

So I my advice would be to if these people paid a deposit or something to go ahead and give that back to them immediately that they can find another venue because we've moved on.

Like this is changed from a catering per year request.

This is changed from a catering license to a restaurant license for a venue that is 21 and over, correct?

That's what we just agreed to.

Right.

That was the only that was the only thing.

Whether we could go ahead and renew the catering hall, let them because they won't have any other events until after this one.

So they go ahead and operate the graduation party on a catering hall with the miners, and then at that point, the new permit is activated.

If we that's why yes, I mean that's all it all hinges on that party.

Could they do something after that party?

Could they go ah change my mind?

It's been voted on, it's approved, and I've changed my mind.

I'm gonna keep a catering hall.

They could surrender the other license, the new one.

Yeah, I don't know why they would they paid a lot of money.

Right.

That's not the purpose.

So that's why I thought we probably should come and at least go through.

Why don't we go through the hearing and then we can we can talk to the state about which way they want us to go?

And your points are taken if it comes right down to it, they'd like to not have to cancel somebody's graduation party, but if they if that was the only option, they could do that as well.

Yeah, because I mean we've already talked about the kind of business that you intend to run.

So this just steps it back.

Yeah, it does.

It doesn't for me.

I think if I think you have to make the main thing the main thing, either you're gonna run this restaurant thing so that you can have all the gatherings you want that are promoted to the public, or you're going to run a catering hall.

So, and we've we've already kind of went through what it is that they intend to do.

So for me, it just makes sense to move forward with that because there was no mention of this birthday party or anything when we talked earlier.

My experience as an officer has been sometimes these things happen and come up when people are jumping back and forth between permits, so I can see overlooking it.

I mean if we go ahead and vote on it, and then we can you know figure out they they won't have any events open to the public until June, so that it's potentially could do this last event.

You can schedule the final, I mean it that they're that's really.

I mean, if if they were gonna surrender, they get their money back.

If they decide to use it, they're not gonna get their 750 back, but it's not a big deal.

They've already used it for half a year, you know.

I mean, it's it's on an extension, so they won't really get money back.

So, however, you want to proceed.

We just wanted to wanted to bring that to your attention, I guess.

What is the so again?

This is renewing the existing carrying hall license with violation one count of failing.

So would so would we in fact if we'd heard these in the opposite direction, would we have renewed this in the beginning?

With one violation and a long track record, yeah.

I believe so.

Okay.

I mean I say you can go ahead with it, but go ahead with it.

Yeah.

So we've already heard, in a sense, the violation.

I mean, yeah.

So do you need to hear the violation again?

Oh, good.

You know, and I'll here's where I'm I'm she's not wrong, but where I stand, your history matters, and I trust you.

And if I thought I didn't, if I thought your violation report was really bad and all kinds of you have one violation and a long track record.

I think to the same point, I do have an area of discomfort because I didn't feel like if it felt like we took a while to get clear on you got a cease and desist.

So I'm like how many things have to happen before you get a cease and decision.

You get a cease and desist.

And then there was a lot of back and forth on did this event occur after they had already received a cease and desist or before, like that part was still unclear to me.

So that's where for me there is a pause where I feel like there's something there that there's a little maybe omission or dishonesty in some other kind of way.

That to me, and even our conversation about people deciding to take this license versus the other one so that they can you know conduct business a certain way.

That's where my discomfort comes from.

But if the rest of the board feels good about moving forward with it, then I'll be outvoted anyway.

But so looking at the report, I mean they were issued cease and assist orders for events being advertised open to the public on uh February 9th of 24 and August 23rd of 24.

And then this violation took place um April of 25.

So they'd already been given cease and desist orders.

They were should have already understood the whole open to the public thing.

And then we end up coming back to it, looks like so.

That's where my concern comes from.

So maybe we just we'll just refund.

We'll just refund it.

I think regardless of what happens, you better be really careful with your new license and how you're shooting it.

I'm still not convinced that you're gonna be operating as a restaurant.

I think we're just gonna be operating a catering hall, especially now that we're we have seating for 250 and we're gonna be 21 and over.

No, they they intend to have regular regular events open to the public.

Well, yeah, events, catering hall type stuff versus restaurant operation.

So no, time will tell.

No, I think they intend to have.

No, I think they intend to have what's the name of the restaurant gonna be?

Okay.

Okay.

And there will be like reviews and a menu and all that stuff.

Okay.

Last thing I'll say says team 509 production.

They did you know favors.

I mean they're all over this.

Yeah.

But that's what happens when you work with promoters.

You guys are talented, you can promote your own business.

Yeah.

Um with that, and we may go to two.

I'm gonna go ahead and call for a vote.

Uh do we have a motion?

Uh I'll make a motion that we approve it.

All right, I'll second that.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

That's three.

So you got your majority, but she's you know, she shared her piece, and then I don't take away from that at all.

Uh eyes wide open, best of luck.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And you're are you gonna talk to the commission, kind of sort out how she does it with.

And and this just gives us options to to sort out, you know, what what works or whatever, and and they may go back and may cancel the event, who knows?

But at least at least you guys are aware of what's going on when you know there's options, I guess.

And just don't schedule the final for the two tenants till after that.

Right, right.

Okay, great.

Thank you so much.

Calling RR4937840, JK Mill LLC doing business as culture barland beat bar and bistro, address 7038 Shores Harris.

Culture.

Really?

Calling RR 4938051.

Um sir or OHSR Enterprise LLC doing business as stero.

Um address 6378 East 82nd Street.

And technically, just so we all understand this was previously not denied then overturned on appeal.

So this is really really a renewal without violation.

Renewable that yeah, because the violation we take care of it at the end of the meeting, or just go take care of it now.

Uh say take care of it now.

That's or we'll lose it in the list.

All right.

Well, then I'll make a motion to approve.

Second.

There's a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

I will deny this way.

Okay.

Reason.

Um good moral character.

Okay.

Good to go.

Yep.

Calling RR493 8140, Sunshine Breakfast House and Grill, LLC, doing business as Sunshine Breakfast House and Grill, address 51 16 West 38th Street.

Sunshine.

Calling RR493 8160 in zone bar and grill LLC doing business as in zone bar and grill.

Address 8311 Michigan Road.

They have requested a continuance.

Calling RR4939293.

Um three in one restaurant inc doing business as three in one restaurant, address 1413 West 86th Street.

Will you request you continue at that?

Killing me.

Jimmy.

Oh, Jimmy.

Address 2040 East Washington Street.

The nails.

Oh yeah, that's classic.

That's classic.

Okay.

We've got a remonstrator.

Um here's how we handle these.

You'll speak, and then you'll speak to the board.

You don't have to answer anybody's questions except for the board.

We'll give him a chance to speak as to why he's here to remonstrate, and then at the end we'll come back to you for final.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

All right, Alex.

All right.

I will say this.

I have 30 minutes, guys.

Then you're going to wrap up the last short of the meeting, but with what we have left, I think we'll sound like we'll just jump right into it.

You may recall this was denied on renewal.

I apologize.

There was a violation that we had an appeal for the violation.

The violation was whether they were operating as a restaurant or as a package like a store.

That started last summer.

Um we went to the commission on a revocation hearing, had two, maybe three separate hearings about that.

Ultimately, um last month we arrived at a settlement to resolve that and all the violations, which the terms of that are this permit would be put into escrow, and they would not open a restaurant at this space.

They are looking at either marketing and selling the permit, or if they do pursue a restaurant, it would not be at that location, would not be in that neighborhood.

And so we have worked out the violations with that.

I mean building up to that in the supermarket, did extensive remodeling and investment to try to get the space to a restaurant so it looked like red added seating, um, took away carry out and whatnot, but ultimately just could not get that over the finish line with the ATC to open there.

And so what we're here today asking for is to renew the permit so that it can be in good standing in escrow again to either be sold or uh find a different restaurant location, but again, not in that space, not in that neighborhood.

So were you here earlier when we went under oath?

Everybody swore in under oath.

He came in late.

I came in.

Thank you.

That adds a lot of weight to this.

State your name, please.

Uh first name armor G last name Bar.

So not Jimmy Jesse.

It was Jim and Jesse.

It was my previous name.

You have that legally changed?

Yes.

Okay.

Do you saw me swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury that the answers you've given on your application or any testimony you give to questions asked by the board to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes, sir.

So, sir, here's the question.

If we do approve this, if this will never go into that spot, this license would never go back into that spot.

No, not until I mean we went through ATC, like Alex 8.

If there's a uh whatever, if they didn't approve it, it won't be at that spot.

You applied for a restaurant at this location, but based on the violation in the photos, you did not open a restaurant.

You open up what appears to be a functional package store.

It it looked like that there was food, minimum food requirements were there.

Um, I'm with you, and we made an I talked with the clients about that, Mr.

Barr and Raj.

They removed a lot of the carry-out display.

I mean, we saw what Officer Sunier's concerns were with the space, and that's where the remodeling and taking out a lot of the you know, whole section that I suspect you're looking at with the the original violation photos.

Um the alcohol advertisements were taken down, the carry-out was taken out, more food was added to the menu.

But again, we could even with all those changes, we still could not um get past that issue with the commission, and so as the settlement was okay, we won't have a restaurant and alcohol in that space.

We'd like the opportunity to either sell the the permit or possibly pursue a restaurant in some other location in the city.

So, what kind of restaurant would it be?

If you were allowed to keep your license and open a restaurant somewhere else in a city.

The idea was to have uh like mixed food, fusion food, so you can have some Indian American Mexican couple like a little Chinese dishes like all pretty much it's just like a street food.

It wasn't trying to introduce like an elephant here, nobody sells it.

Nobody sells it.

It just misunderstanding a bunch of them, and then at the end, we couldn't justify it, and we just decided you know what, just close it.

Not a big issue.

Their gas stations already operating, selling food, and it was just she made the decision it's not worth it going through that trouble.

Let's find a different location for NASCO, go through it, be done with it.

Not not give by anyone a hassle problem.

So you and Raj operate how many different convenience stores or package stores?

There's a bunch, right?

At one point she did a bunch, but now she's gone to two.

Which two?

Uh the gas station and the liquor store in Clayton.

Okay.

I I know the gas station or the liquor store in Clayton.

Where's the gas station?

Were we referring to the same place we're talking 2040 East Washington?

Just East Washington.

Okay, a couple, maybe a mile and a half or so from here.

You ever opened a restaurant?

There's a restaurant there.

Have you ever opened up a restaurant?

Have I?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I don't think this is a restaurant.

You may put some stuff in there, but it doesn't restaurant networks.

Sell me food.

Well, we're selling food at the gas station.

No, no, no, no.

I mean at this particular location.

We never reopened after all the remodeling, adding seats, um, getting rid of half of the display area, it was glassed in, half of that was gone, added a uh food service, you know, seating area, but because we couldn't get that as part of the settlement with the ATC, it you they never reopened to sell additional food and to add on to the menu that we were talking about.

Uh and you've all seen the photos, right?

Not the photos, I just read the report.

Yeah, I saw the photo at the liquor displaying.

The original from the violations seven or eight.

Mr.

Staub, would you like to uh jump in here and share your concerns while you're here to remonstrate?

I would uh my name is Chris Staub.

I am the elected president of the near Eastide Community Organization, an umbrella organization of 20 near Eastide neighborhoods.

Uh Willard Park of Holy Cross Westminster Civic Alliance is one of those at 2040 East Washington is located at.

Uh this is the letter that was submitted to our September Board of Directors.

We can then give to you.

We've seen the violations that have happened with this, and we do not feel that uh their license should actually be renewed.

Uh we had met with the applicant in December 14th of 2022.

We heard lots of commitments given to us.

NESCO is very familiar with this location.

Uh we met with them in 2007 for a zoning variance, in which NESCO got several commitments as well.

Uh none of those commit some of those commitments have never been fulfilled since 2020.

What were some of those commitments?

Those commitments were landscaping and signage, uh, two different ones on signage, and they were never met.

And then they're when they came to us uh in 2022 giving us uh commitments, and we understand that those commitments that were given to the community and to the city are not applicable to the state and this board.

Uh they were told that you have you have to buy food to get alcohol service.

Uh 60% of their sales were going to be food.

Uh they said they currently had a beer license, which we weren't sure they were supposed to be completely separated from the store.

We know that the building had an addition to the back that needed to be remodeled.

It was all done without an improvement location permit, it was all done without any other structural permits.

Uh they now currently have five zoning citations that are open from 319 of 2025 from illegal signage to the property of not having an improvement location permit, outdoor storage of junk and debris, uh the dumpster that was located in our front now has been moved, but all of these are still open violations uh with the city.

So we do not trust their word, and we would think that uh if they have not made uh their word to the community or to the city worthy, then we feel that they would not be the uh worthy with the state and their license to carry forward.

So just to jump in, I would object one hearsay nature talking about a lot of statements that were made.

He doesn't have any evidence to back that up.

It'd be hearsayed anyway.

I understand that's admissible before here, but I want to object to that.

Can't be the sole basis of your decision.

With respect to the zoning violation, there's no evidence other than what Mr.

Staub's saying.

Um we're not aware of any violations that are opening or these commitments that he's talking about with landscaping.

But as he said, the zoning issue isn't really what this board is about.

If there are zoning issues, then um you know the playing department can come out and they can address those.

But we're not aware of any, and this permitted also issued about a year ago initially, and as you all are aware, you have to get a zoning clearance.

Um, and part of that is if there are any outstanding zoning violations, those would have to be addressed.

So as of when this permit was initially presented to you roughly a year ago, that wouldn't have been, but again, that's I think irrelevant.

Um to the extent you know, this letter and about the restaurant, those are the exact same issues that we addressed before the ATC and committed that all right, we will not open a restaurant in this space, understood the issues, simply just want to put the permit into escrow and either sell it or perhaps find a different location, but not there to open a restaurant.

Well, um, me and Raj never met the neighborhood association in 2007.

She bought that site in 2010.

So we have no idea what it's he talking about.

Well, I'll tell you this much.

He comes in front of the board and he's usually spot off.

So I'd be real careful with taking shots.

Watching alley every sideway, you can.

We don't let people stand.

We've removed so much.

The neighborhood association, none of them, they don't do anything.

There's people out there sleeping in alleys.

We have report them, so they won't die with cold.

And you got a thoughts.

Yeah.

I mean, that's not a restaurant.

It is not.

It is not.

And I do not feel I don't feel that a strong enough case has been presented that would make me want to say, sure, go into another neighborhood and attempt this restaurant content.

Um that's where I've landed with it.

Um to be clear though, if I may, I mean it's it I mean this the design of that you're looking at, and we again changed all those, but it's irrelevant.

They're not opening there.

Um part of the reason, I mean it's a it's an odd you know, space, it's small, pretty limited.

And so you're not gonna see a regular restaurant in that space because it's just not gonna look those.

Correct.

And so to the extent they find tons.

Agreed.

And we talked about that.

That look appearance is you know, and perception is everything, right?

And so when Officer Sunier and others, when you guys are looking at that, it doesn't look like a restaurant.

And that's why they've made significant changes to address all of that.

We've that's all part of the record in front of the ATC.

Not in front of you because it we're not opening there.

Um but if there were a restaurant space somewhere else in the city, it wouldn't be it wouldn't look like that.

They'd have different space, presumably.

They I don't think you would want to have the same challenges that you faced there.

So you would look for some place where they could have restaurant offerings, then it would look like a restaurant and not have the same challenges because we would have to again be back in front of you all for a transfer of location and present that so you would see the plan and see the floor plan.

Any further questions from the board?

So I just in the report it notes that I guess an officer was in there to order food to test out if it was a restaurant.

A male subject, I guess that'd be an employee, came to the sales counter and spoke to me through the window.

I asked the male subject if I could get a get some food, specifically a hamburger.

The male subject informed me that I could not order food.

I told the male subject that I thought the restaurant, the business was a restaurant.

Um it told the male that we just wanted some food.

The male subject told us that there was no food and that maybe we could get some food next week.

So we can get a cold beer.

Yeah, so I mean you couldn't even get food.

Yeah.

Which backs up what's in this letter as far as no one being served a meal after being told that they could.

I've covered 16 counties of local boards for uh most of my 20-year career, and I've never seen anything stretched this far to be called a restaurant.

So any further questions from the board?

No.

Hearing none.

Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion to deny.

I'll second your motion to deny.

Motion to deny and a second, all those in favor of the denial say I.

I'm gonna have two ballots.

And then what reasons too far?

Um mine.

So good moral character, whether the permit premise has become a public nuisance, or whether any criminal offenses have taken place at the permit premise.

I am going to say public nuisance and good moral character.

It appears to me that there were um things that were said to the community as far as this being a public service that they could utilize that wouldn't just be another liquor store, and that was not um acted upon.

So that is where my good moral character um stance comes from, and the other one public nuisance.

I'll support that.

It feels like a Satan switch.

Same thing.

Okay, okay.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you for time.

Thank you.

Uh, with that to the board and the members here, I wish you the best of luck with the rest of your meeting.

I apologize if I have to go to you next time.

Calling uh see what's going on.

R R 493 420, Upland Brewing Company, Inc.

doing business as Upland Brewing Company address 4939 East 82nd.

They requested a continuance.

Yep.

Calling DL493-3087 U.S.

Liquor Corp Group LLC doing business as 21st Amendment Package Store 1154 West 86 Street.

The uh owner's rep couldn't be here with you today, so if we could continue to made for us, please.

Got it.

Thank you.

Calling RR4939618 Iguana's Takaria Restaurant Corp doing business as Iguana's Takeria Restaurant 2912 Maywood Road.

Good morning.

Esther River and this is Mr.

Sergio Hernandez, the owner of the Aqua License.

What was your name one more time?

Sergio Hernandez.

Got it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Hernandez owns three license.

They own this one for me being over 11 years.

And this is the first violation that he got.

What's the four?

Um I see floor plan alterations, server training requirements, and then a manager's questionnaire.

So um regards to the manual questionary is already fixed that is already managed questionnaire in place.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

And uh, but uh Missunier already went uh they submit the new four plan.

And she went and approved.

You know, when it comes to the So they add a tap wall.

Do they add a tap wall?

What is that?

Uh it's a wall with taps on it.

It's a muro que tiene como para como vendemos muchas aguas.

It's para mola nada más.

Okay, so it shows that the tap cooler was not on the approved floor plan.

Yeah, that is where they prepare the uh you know in Mexica they use a fresh water with fruit.

Agua frescos.

Oh fresco, yeah.

Yeah, so that is that what we're seeing is the issue.

Because those I've seen those come out of like the uh it's it's like a uh it's like a dispenser, so not a tap law.

Because when I think of a tap wall, I'm thinking of what you pull down for here.

But the cooler, yeah, with the little spout dispenser on the front.

That's what I've typically seen agua frescos be served out of.

I don't think that's listed in the charging studies as package alcohol, package alcoholic beverages, change of floor plan violation.

Were they selling alcohol to go?

Okay speaking, but no seven, yes pura cerveza.

So the unico que vende?

See, no porque no se vended at all.

Okay, he says that he already applied for the carry out, and the only thing they he is selling is beer.

Yeah, but I mean they they they hardly sell even carry out.

It got a beer and rhine, but the only thing they sell is beer.

I am sorry, this report's kind of not really following it.

So I mean just the basic charge.

We have a manager who did not file a manager's questionnaire.

Yeah, which is already.

So that's a form that the business owners would complete for somebody who's gonna be managing, giving them the legal authority to operate on their behalf.

Right.

So that's easy fix.

Um retailer dealer permitted management representative duties and responsibilities.

I'm assuming someone didn't have an employee permit.

This is what happened according with Mr.

Umandez, he was sick that day, and there was somebody who owned has a lack of a license there, but apparently the person who the person who has the certificates for the class, she was not there in that moment, so the person that was talking to the exercise was the person in the kitchen.

He was sick that day and there was somebody who has a lack of a license there but apparently the person who the person who has the certificates for the class she was not there in that moment so the person that was talking to the exercise wife the person in the kitchen he didn't know where they had certificates but supposedly it was only in that moment yeah has it happened before no no that's what I've said he got three three license yeah in different locations and the chances of being caught every one the chances of being caught in that one moment is kind of you know what I'm saying yeah it's like what is what are the chances that that would all happen at the same moment that that sounds odd it it it it should happen but like if it he owns three license this is the first violation the oldest ones is over the eleven years.

Is that the one in plain field?

Yes yeah yes okay so none of these are significant I mean so the the last one was actually not having taken the server training program right yes now the they have sort of training and everything I know somebody who teaches those classes she helped you and the floor plan that we updated the floor plan with the ATC.

Yeah okay this is easy yeah any other violations in the past no and how long have you had the license?

Over the 11 years okay the original one but this you're talking about this okay this license in particular how long have you had it uh almost two years almost two years okay yes yes yeah thanks okay okay um all right I'm I'm good uh was there a motion I'll make a motion we approve it all right the second well I'll second that second for approval yeah uh all those in favor say aye aye aye motion carries thanks thank you very much uh okay thank you calling DL493157 VD Holdings L L C doing business as A1 liquors address 7621 US 31 South all right you want to introduce your clients and tell us in the barra who are here to dis address the violation at the store yeah who are they I'm sorry um uh my name is Braj uh that's my dad uh Jay Gutender Kumar yeah well while we kind of refresh ourselves with this can you go ahead and describe what you think happened here yeah I think uh one of our employees she had uh served a minor uh I think it was around like last April or so last March perhaps okay so I'm looking at a February 12th 2025 okay yeah there's an alcohol compliance check charges for furnishing alcohol to a minor allowing a minor in a tavern um failure to check ID of somebody under yes what happened uh I believe uh it was in the morning time um personally I think I was in India at that time and um our employee she's been working there for approximately seven years so this was our this was her first uh violation and um uh I think it was in the morning she sold a single beer cans to someone under 21 yeah uh she uh did not check the ID uh after that however um across all of our locations we added a um like our POS system has a software where we can scan their IDs and it shows green if the ID is like a valid and it it shows red like it strings an error uh if it's like you know under 21 or whatever so we added that measure it was always optional but we never really used it uh I think last year uh at that store we had received this was our first violation at that location and um do you have uh other violations at other locations uh yes so uh in the so we've owned uh liquor stores for about ten years or so and um before that we even we even have a gas station I think since 2010 or something uh this was our second violation in all these years yes so what was optional before with this POS system as far as the scanning is that mandatory now yeah so we made a thing uh I believe uh two weeks ago uh someone from the ATC had also uh came in to do a surprise visit and uh we had checked their ID and it it strained in here and you know we refused to sell it was like two weeks ago in the evening time.

Does it do they identify themselves that they pass on the book?

After they had left, I had checked the cameras, and um the the gentleman was out in the car, and um she sat in the passenger seat.

So I mean process.

So if it had been a compliance check, an officer would have been in the building with her.

Okay, then perhaps it was someone else, then I guess.

So I always tell people like you're gonna get a compliance check from our officers.

Yeah, possibly once a year.

Okay, okay.

It could be two years.

But the public is gonna try this on a regular basis.

Yeah, okay.

So we really shouldn't be your standard.

Yeah.

I mean, regardless, we had checked her ID and you know it strumming errors.

So did she what did she get retrained, fired, or what?

I mean, she's been with the case.

We did not fire her, she was working for us for seven years, but we um we m made there's uh you know when you take the permit, there's like an exam or something, like some sort of course.

Yeah, so I think we had we mentioned to her that you should take it again, and she that's the question.

If she had worked for you for six months and that happened, would you have fired or probably retrained?

We probably would have fired her, but I mean uh in all these years throughout our locations, we barely have that much like you know, turnover in terms of employees.

So I mean she's quite well qualified, and I would say seven years it was her first mistake.

Okay, should not have happened in the first place, but I mean yeah, yeah.

All right.

Uh I'm good.

Is there a uh motion?

I'll make a motion to approve.

Second, all right, cool.

Um all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh um last one uh renewals calling R R 494 1568 famous Dave's ribs, doing business as famous Dave's address 3645 Vincent's road.

That'll be continued.

Um Ty quit voting, what was his last one?

His last one was super it was June.

Supermart.

Yeah.

Yep.

Okay.

Um, so all right.

So what are you here for?

I was just listening for some uh so calling uh oh, you just listening.

And how about you guys back there?

Or the Wyoming Animal Wonders Protective Association?

Oh, okay.

And we're just up for uh no violations, current no vote on automatics.

Um I guess so just so you understand the future, you get you received a notice to appear before the board.

It's just or not a notice to appear.

Just to notice that your alcohol permit was up for renewal today.

Um if you read down on that, it basically specifies that if you've had violations or have otherwise been called in, that's when you would need to appear.

Um otherwise, without violations or unless we've requested you to do a show up, you don't have to spend three hours waiting to find that out.

We're the newly elected officers of the club, so we're really familiar with the process, but thanks for commenting.

Yeah, yeah, I hate to see uh if you have questions afterwards.

I'm uh an excise officer, I can talk to you.

Thanks.

Perfectly.

Uh so I'll make a motion to approve the automatic renewals.

I'll second.

Yeah.

All right.

All those in favor say hi.

Aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

And then uh I'll make a motion to dismiss.

We make a motion to dismiss.

So adjourn the meeting, yeah.

Yeah, I'll second that motion.

All right, that all the all those in favor say aye.

Aye.