All right.

Well, good morning, everyone, and welcome to the May 6th meeting of the Office of the Board of the Board of the Office of Public Health and Safety, excuse me.

Umrew Merkley, the director of the Office of Public Health and Safety.

Abby, can you please call the roll?

Yes, sir.

I at least present.

Ingram present.

Webster.

Present.

I have no point.

Thanks, Abby.

All right.

Has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes from last month?

Any questions or discussion?

All right, hearing none, I'll um entertain uh a motion to adopt the minutes from last month.

So moved.

All in favor?

Aye.

Alright.

Any opposed?

Hearing none, the motion passes.

Okay, we'll move on to the first item on the agenda, item 050626A.

We'll hear from Chief.

Thank you.

So it says uh Seth Farrell uh was going to be presenting.

I uh was I had a cancellation.

So I am Kevin Wedhington, I'm the deputy chief for administration for IMPD.

I'm here for two matters.

First one uh being item A, uh requesting permission to renew a contract with um Ray O'Haren.

Uh, this is the provider we use to buy our service pistols.

Uh we have an existing contract with them that went out to public bid the last time.

Um we there was a renewal clause in the contract.

We contacted the vendor and they were willing to renew the contract, uh, with a slight increase uh two dollars uh per pistol, um which is pretty phenomenal that they held pricing uh over two years and only gave us a two-dollar increase uh bringing the cost uh per pistol to five hundred and thirty two dollars and fifty cents, which is again two dollars over existing contract.

Uh again, this was uh publicly competed and they were uh lowest in responsive bidder the last time and the uh contract contained a renewal clause, and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Questions?

Yes, looking at trying to sort through this contract and looking at the agenda, and it says there's not a not to exceed amount for this contract.

Correct.

Can you explain why?

So, we don't know how many pistols we're gonna need.

Um, so the not to exceed um has been kind of a uh complicator uh of late that if we think we're gonna buy a hundred pistols, let's say, uh, and and we put a fifty thousand dollar NTE on there, then we have to come back to the board to ask, can we buy more pistols?

Um, but if we say can we have an NTE of a million dollars, the controller makes us obligate that money, and we can't use that for other things.

So that so the NTE, and and I might defer to legal counsel for how to answer this question.

It's it's become kind of a double-edged sword.

Um that if we declare an NTE, that's what this board approves, and then that's what we are obligating out of our current year budget.

So we have found that if we don't include the NTE on something like this for a goods or service, it's better for the overall process.

I would just add the contract deals with the relationship with the vendor internally.

There's controls through the people soft system for the requisition.

So the department has to fund it in order to expend the month.

And if it uh doesn't fund it, then the one that's spending the month.

So if you put a not to exceed amount on a widget, you don't know how many you're gonna order, and just this takes more time to either go back to the board, draft a new agreement.

Um should be prevented for that point.

Well, for the sake of consistency, though, we have consistently said in this group over the past at least two years that we were let me speak for Duane.

Dwayne has been uncomfortable with NTEs and the lack of consistency with that with contracts across the board with I of D, IMPD, uh, and any other group that's come across this board.

So again, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with NT with an NTE without a dollar amount, um, because it's kind of an open purse book.

Open open checkbook.

If I could, there's one other caveat that makes this one a little different.

We are also getting ready to or have already released a new public bid.

So Glock has come out with a new Gen 6 pistol, and that is we've bought four of them, we've tested them.

We're probably gonna move to that platform.

That is going out for public competition as well.

The only thing we're doing with this is renewing it just in case there are any issues with that contract.

So that's why it's this one is a little different.

Um we don't want the contract to expire.

We want to hold pricing for the model uh the Gen 5, model 45 and 17, but we anticipate buying off of the next contract, and then we can certainly put an NTE on that one.

I I again this is this is process versus OFM process, that if we say a hundred, a hundred thousand, let's say, let's let's say I need two hundred guns, I have to take that money out of my budget and lock it up to this.

Understood.

But then if I don't spend it, I lose it, and that's that's where the NTE in this case, because it's been publicly competed, it's yes, it's an open checkbook, but it's been fully vetted, competed, and and public and transparent that if we need a hundred guns or we need a thousand guns, we didn't think the NTE mattered on this one, not not sitting in your chair, but that's that's where it was.

So, a couple questions, Sargon, for one second.

Um you initially stated that you put an you did not include an NTE because you didn't want to put an amount in and then have to come back before the board for approval for another contract after that or uh increase or whatever.

However, then later you stated that you didn't put an NTE in, and then you're not even planning on using this contract potentially, you're gonna use another one that would that's uh that's going out to bid.

It seems like the the the request is kind of inconsistent with what you're saying as far as what the what you're willing to do as far as the uh new contracts or what have or whatever seems a little inconsistent.

If if you're not planning on using the con using this contract, put a small NTE on it, and then move forward with your other contract, and then use that one.

So I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

So when we put something out to bid, we never know what's gonna happen.

And there are uh on the next one that I'm gonna present, I'll give you the example.

People are people bid alternatives, don't tell us we get to the contracting phase and find out that they didn't give us what they said they were gonna give us, and then if we have to start over, and during that, this is our backup plan.

This this is that's really what we did.

We we held pricing for this model as our backup plan that if something falls apart in the next contract that delays it and we get into a position where we need pistols, then we can use this.

I'm clear on that.

I'm clear on that.

Well, what I'm saying is for me, I would be a little bit more comfortable if you would have presented that scenario with we're gonna put 25,000 hours on this contract just to kind of as a placeholder, and if we need it, we need it.

If not, there's a process to move funds from one contract to a different one within purchasing.

Um, and then we're gonna move forward with this other public bid on a new vendor with the newer gun.

That's possible.

So, absolutely.

I'm I'm not looking at a message, I'm looking at a calculator.

Um, if I do five 3250, times three uh so I would absolutely be open to or if the chair would entertain if I amend our resolution or request for an NTE of a hundred and sixty thousand, um that would allow me if we needed it during the pendency of this contract to buy 300 pistols over two years, if that's acceptable to you or the chair.

Works for me.

Of course, the math makes the math makes sense.

It's a it's it's thought out well loosely thought out, I'll say um it gets you a certain amount of pistols over two years, uh, and if changes are needed in six months, we can come back and have a different conversation.

And then that's fine by me.

Okay.

Um so I apologize in advance because I I couldn't open the um packet on my phone.

I don't know.

Um so uh the original contract, I I know that we're essentially um you said a you had a renewal clause in the in the original contract, so but in this instance the original contract has already lapsed, right?

Or is it was that or is that a different one that lapsed in February of 2026?

Uh I I apologize.

This is a new contract because it's it we did miss the renewal.

Ray O'Haren uh was slow to respond, uh that there was confusion on the uh holding of pricing, and um yes.

So it is a new contract, but it was renewable and it was competed under the last one.

Under the first the first time.

So first time around you did the bid process, etc.

You did the vendor.

However, you had a renewal clause.

I don't know, I don't think I I don't have the packet.

I don't know if we have the original contract in there that gives you the terms of the renewal uh term, like I don't know, I'm assuming it's six months before the expiration or something.

The language in our contract says it can be renewed by the payment of the parties, just to uh it doesn't go into detail of like when or because that would have to be negotiated, like during COVID, for instance, prices were absolutely much different than pre-COVID or post-COVID, so uh if you can't lock yourself into something you may want later and expect because I guess the second question was I know although it's small, the two dollar change is the two dollar change as a result of not renewing within the original renewal, or was there a price like a in like an inflation or price cost increase can uh included in the original contract?

Um so what they uh they justified to purchasing that they held the pricing on the pistol itself, the increase cost is uh for the three magazines, uh the manufacturing costs on the magazines had increased, and we get three magazines with every pistol, and that increase was two dollars for the increased manufacturing cost on the magazines, and they notified that us of that October 1st of 25.

So before the contract expired, they said if you renew it's gonna be a two dollar increase.

And then the final I have two other questions.

Um the first one is talking about the different guns.

So I heard you talked about you want the Gin or the Glock six or Gen 6, I'm sorry.

What was the Gen 6 is the newest gun that was just released at the beginning of this year?

But it's still the Glock 17 in the Glock for just the Gen 6 version of those guns.

Correct.

What's changing in the generations of the gun?

So every time they come out with uh they do testing, they change the um form of the pistol grip where the backstrap is.

They are constantly adjusting to market conditions of the size of officers' hands.

Um it has happened across the country where um there are um it's uh uh I'm trying to phrase this the proper way.

Um I am very large for a police officer.

Uh 6'4 and and way too much.

Um of our officers have smaller hands, they're smaller of stature, and the the gun grip was too large for their hands so they couldn't get a good grip on the hand on the gun.

Um so Glock is constantly changing the ergonomics of the gun.

They're constantly uh working with engineers and and police officers for the trigger pull and the recoil.

They adjust the spring and the and the internal components of the gun.

So it's just it's just a new model year of the gun, essentially, as it develops.

And I just out of curiosity, because you said it's the Black 17 and the Black 45, are those just standard police models or so they're a little different, um, and this is to account for um the pistols will now accept uh what's called uh an optic, uh, which is a different sighting system uh for better accuracy and dynamic situations.

Uh so it's um it it has a different platform that will accommodate an optic um on the pistol.

So that's the that's the difference of one is is in an MOS, which is I'm not even sure what that stands for, uh, but that's the designation of the pistol to accept an optic.

And then my final question, thank you.

My final question is for both of these pistols, they're both being sold at the same cost.

So the 53250 is for both, which whatever you order is the same, regardless of the 17 or the 45.

Correct.

Um can we go back to the uh yes.

If the motion is made to amend the resolution to put a cap of 160 on it, that could be done.

So moved.

Second.

Motion has been moved and seconded.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Hearing none, motion passes.

So I think is that on the amendment or the overall?

That's okay.

Okay.

So now if there is there any other discussion on the item, any question?

All right, so now I'll entertain a motion to adopt the amended item number 050626A.

So move.

Second.

Motion has been moved and seconded.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Hearing none, item passes.

All right, we'll move on to item 050 626b.

I think we're hearing from Chief Wellington again.

It is.

And on this one, I'm also gonna have an amendment, but we'll get to that shortly.

Um so what this is is our body armor and protective equipment.

Um this is um we put out a bid, uh, public bid, um, under RFB, uh 12 MPD 404, and we published this bid beginning of the year.

This went out nationwide, uh, local and national.

And it was for seven specific items which were in your packet.

Uh, this is the uh soft body armor that we wear daily uh under our uniforms, and the replacement carriers for that.

Then there is a newer carrier that uh you see police officers wearing now that are external vest carriers.

They say Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, they've got a plasticky or cloth type badge, and it says it across the back as well.

Um that is what's called a load-bearing vest that allows officers to wear it, uh wear different equipment to carry the weight on their shoulders as opposed to their hips, uh, which has a significant savings on back issues.

Um so that's that's item number three, which is the uh endeavor uh carrier.

Currently, police officers buy those themselves uh using their uniform allowance.

Uh we receive a uniform allowance twice a year, and some officers choose to buy that.

We're exploring the possibility of providing these to our recruits.

We're not there yet.

Uh we're exploring it.

Uh so we needed that to be on the contract, not only for the officers to be able to buy at a competed price, but also if we start buying them for uh recruits once they complete their training.

Um, so that is items three and four.

Uh five and six, um, I wrote an application recently for a it was in your packet.

It's all the yeah, I'm sorry.

Um, item five and six.

I recently wrote a grant application to provide for all officers on the police department to receive outer vest carriers for uh rifle right rifle rated plates.

We did this ten years ago, but those are all now expired.

Uh so we have been notified so long as Congress doesn't shut down and the budget is approved, that we have um been approved for funding for buying a new round of protective vests for higher rated rifle rounds for active shooter type incidents.

Uh so that's five and six, it's um the same same item um depending on the size of the officer size smaller or larger, and then lastly, uh our protective helmets for the same thing, uh ballistically rated helmets.

Very rare would that ever come out of the trunk, but if we need them, we our helmets now are ten years old, they're expired, and uh the the grant that I we have tentative acceptance on uh will buy all of those.

So the NTE also gets complicated here, um, because if we buy all of those, it's a big spend.

If we don't get that grant money, that money is not in our budget, and we're not gonna buy it.

So the NTE becomes a conversation piece here again for the same reason.

Um, but that's the variety of things uh that we are asking for in the two-year contract that we know we buy on average four to five hundred vests a year.

Uh so our estimated spend is nine hundred vests.

However, depends on how many people retire, how many people we hire.

It's a very fluid number.

Um, and then again, if we buy the outer vest carriers, then that's going to increase the spend, but if we don't, it won't.

And then all those other things that that are we hope to buy, but we may not have the money to buy.

So that's where the NTE, if we put one on, it it limits us.

If we don't put one on, I understand you say it's a blank check, but I don't I don't know the risk of that hurting.

This isn't like a professional service that we could essentially funnel money to insiders or something uh like that.

This is a a goods or or it's it's a it's a widget uh as uh council identified.

Um so I I guess I would have to ask the board's comp uh for conversation about how to handle the NTE on this one as well.

What's the difference between one and two?

So the two is if we have to buy replacement carriers.

So if someone uh is sliced, um payment carrying correct.

It's so underneath my uniform is a is a carrier that the body armor is contained within.

So if it gets torn, damaged, that's the replacement carrier itself.

It's in and up like that.

You have 900 for the ballistics, and then 10 for the carrier, I didn't understand.

That's over the course of two years, we might have to replace 10.

They last pretty long.

They last five years.

That's why that 10.

So again, just right there.

Three and four are also the same.

That's that's the endeavor.

Correct.

So that is the outer vest carrier.

And again, no commitment to vendors that we're gonna buy those.

That was an estimated quantity for the course duration of the contract, we might buy a hundred.

We might not buy any, but that's there if we decide to start issuing those to recruits.

So one and two go together, that's the under carrier under my under my uniform.

Three and four are the outer carrier, where you put the same panels from number one in number three or four, and then five, six and five and six are the outer altogether that you put on in the case of an active shooter incident.

Those are those are not daily wares.

They're heavy and cumbersome.

Uh and then seven is the actual helmet that you're not gonna wear unless it's a bad day, okay.

Go ahead.

No, I I don't have it um as far as jumping ahead to coming up with the NTE to apply for today.

I assume we want to get this contract accepted, so coming back next month, not ideal.

Um for purposes of the math, what if we put it at what the grant amount was?

Would that would that give you the flexibility to well if we if we put it at the grant amount of grant correct um I know that that might cause you some headache with another city government?

I'm doing napkin math here.

Um while we do that.

Um have you thought about going with those John Wick uh clothes that are bulletproof?

I think it's this haircut.

And that that was just what popped into my head is a way to kind of meet in the middle on this.

Yes.

If we were to buy those quantities of that item, it that's the number, but it's actually more than that because if we get the grant, um, there are sixteen hundred times those two numbers uh for the delta plates.

Uh so we end up at uh um ish.

Um so what what I think what I think to meet in the middle is for the grant and what we know we're gonna spend.

If I put the NT at two million, that gets me far enough down the road to then if we get the grant, then I can come back and do the cleanup for the difference.

So if I mean if you don't get the grant, you're gonna spend it too.

I'll spend close to it.

So yes.

And then secondly, the bigger part that I noticed this morning, the way the resolution is written, is a little incorrect.

So if we look at the request of the board, it says to provide carriers and level 3A ballistic helmets.

Well, I didn't see this before it went to you all, and I saw it on the agenda this morning.

That is a little weak on the description based on the seven items that were in your packet that I'm actually asking for.

So the cleanup proposal, where it says below on the program description, it says vendor will provide highlight carriers, endeavor carriers, and ballistic helmets.

Well that's still weak because we also have the Delta, the Delta IC hard armor plates, and then we have the endeavor Molly carriers.

So they're providing the ballistic vests, the highlight carriers, the endeavor carrier, the Delta IC hard armor plate, and the ballistic 3A helmet.

So it's the seven things that were in your packet, it just didn't spell it out in the resolution.

That's what was publicly bid, that was what was competed.

We had seven or eight vendors who responded.

So everybody knew what they were bidding on, but the resolution is a little weak.

So I would I would like to amend that as we fly basically a two-part amendment of what we're asking for and the NTE, and then ask approval, I think.

If I look at counselor Richard, do we need to amend the the items, the list of items?

Yes, as explained by Mr.

Whittington, maybe the best we're on video here, so that provides a record of it.

Um the resolution, and then as to I guess the contact kind of goes hand in hand with that.

Yeah.

So we could just do one amendment that includes both the NTE.

Um, not in the past, do you only buy all these products from one vendor?

Um so in this, it's like a loaded question teed up on as a softball.

Um, so what happened in this particular bid?

The answer is no, we don't.

Um, however, in this particular bid, it was very unique.

Uh I've been doing this for 14 years, and this one was one of the strangest.

We published that list of items that you saw those seven items.

We very clearly said no exceptions, no alternatives will be considered.

We set it in the published bid.

Then during the competition process, there's a period of questions, and we had two vendors ask, will you accept alternates?

And we said no, we won't.

And that was also posted and and distributed to all vendors plus put on the website.

When you submit a bid packet, you have to declare if you are deviating from the specs that we've asked for.

We had three vendors who one declared, yes, I'm proposing alternates, even though we've told them twice not to.

So one declared, but then two actually submitted pricing that didn't make sense, and they were well lower than everybody else, so we had to call them.

We were going to split the bid with three different people.

Unfortunately, we called one of them and they said we made a mistake, that number was wrong.

And another one said, Yeah, we bid a non-American non-spec vest, and uh we thought you'd be okay with that.

So uh pause on that note, a few years ago we bought a non-American vest that we ended up with litigation, and we still have them sitting out in the closet because they were fakes.

Uh, they were uh knockoffs, they were uh pirated, all kinds of stuff.

The DOJ got involved, uh the owner of the company went to prison, the company went bankrupt.

Uh so that's why we don't mess around with alternates, and we go with point blank, who is the tried and true uh two we've used for decades, and we're not worried about getting knockoffs that are not gonna be safe.

So, yes, when this started, I was gonna split between three vendors, but when it was all said and done, we ended up with one vendor, which we're happy happens to be a local vendor, they're a local Marion County vendor, which is actually unusual, like when we do the the Ray O'Haren, that's a national company.

That's no money coming back to the local economy, whereas Star uniform is a local business that keeps the money here in Marion County, so the vendor is next to correct, doing business as star uniform, and they are out at 10th and shade land here on the east side, yeah.

The last vest contract.

I know I'm giving you more than you asked for, the last best contract was also a local vendor.

Unfortunately, that vendor went out of business, and then the manufacturer um backed the contract pricing.

So we were buying direct from the manufacturer through the expiration of the contract.

But now that this is a new contract, we're back with a local vendor.

Okay.

So where do we need it?

We need a motion to we need a motion to amend to include all seven items that were part of the bid, and create an NTE of two million dollars.

Okay.

I motion that if there's no further questions, I'm motion that we amend the contract.

I'm in the item 050626b to include the seven items that were bid and that were all included in the bid.

Um to add a not to exceed amount of two million dollars.

Okay, motion has been moved and seconded.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Hearing none.

The motion to amend passes.

Um, and now if there's no further discussion on that on the motion that or the the item itself, I'll entertain a motion to uh.

I just wanted to make a comment.

I was just so you all know, I was asking Mr.

McDermott uh a quick question because on the agreement he was explaining to me there was a previous contractor.

So because it says the contractor Stephen R.

Jenkins company.

So I was asking about why that was on the so that's the company I talked about went out of business.

So in the bid packet, there's now a process that it's just a transparency thing that anyone who's interested in bidding on a new opportunity, they can go to the city's contract website and search for the terms and the current contract of the expiring.

So that's why that's that's publicly notifying everybody what happened in the last contract.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

Any further discussion?

Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to adopt item zero two zero five zero six two six b so moved, second.

Motion has been moved and seconded.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Hearing none.

Motion passes.

Thank you all very much.

Thanks, Chief.

Thank you.

All right.

Item zero five zero six two six C I believe we're we'll hear from Dustin Jones with Shrewsbury and anybody from SHIELD do you want to come up here?

Good morning.

Good morning.

Morning to the chair.

We'll be able to hear you.

If you're needed you can stand and we'll be able to hear you there.

Can you state your name for us?

Sure.

Dustin Jones, Shrewsbury and Associates, owners rep for OPHS, the city of Indianapolis.

Good morning everyone, Aaron Shounce, Senior Policy Advisor to Mayor Hogsett.

Do you have any introducing remarks before I yeah, yeah, so thank you for having us again.

I know that we said we would be back in May and we would not move your board meeting.

So here we are at the regularly scheduled time and place.

So thank you for having us.

We're here to just provide um some general updates about the housing hub project but specifically to ask um for your uh consent and approval to enter into our uh contracts for vertical construction so um and Dustin feel free to weigh in here as well but site work is underway um at the site on the thousand block of Georgia Street um so they are they are moving things around they are doing things with utilities kind of that horizontal construction that's necessary before we start um laying foundation and and building the frame of the building um so that work continues and then this is our next step uh to move forward with uh the vertical construction aspect of the facility design is essentially complete um which enabled us to put out a bid package in February 18th I think is when you guys approve yeah uh bid it went out in March.

Yep and the bid went out in March.

Um so that's kind of where we are so things are continuing to move along we are hoping to be open in probably late summer of uh 27 and obviously we'll invite you all out there when that time comes but just continuing to move things forward with the project with the housing hub exactly anything to add uh yeah just again this is our third time here uh so just to recap uh we came in uh August of last year I believe um and completed demolition in October uh our started demolition october was completed uh before the end of the year um and then uh it's the bid package for site work that was approved in February uh Shield uh awarded that and uh GTEC construction mobilized uh earlier not this month now I guess uh earlier in uh April and uh has done site clearing surveying staking um and is currently working on utilities as Aaron mentioned uh so they uh will be uh on site through probably July um as we get ready for uh vertical construction and so uh this package was bid uh the building package uh the went out of March bids were received on April 14th uh there were 17 bid packages um and there were um responses to 16 of those and so the GMP package that we're presenting today uh it has one allowance for windows and glazing uh and so we are going to take an allowance so that we don't have to come back for an individual contract um she'll feel pretty comfortable that the pricing in our estimate um is more than enough um for for that package so I think we're holding 700 thousand uh for glazing uh SHIEL is uh actively engaging um several firms I think two of which are XBE uh firms to bid on that package so we're hoping to get uh some good responses and um so with that we will have a GMP guaranteed maximum price on all of the components of the project uh at this point going forward that includes uh we're carrying a four per four per 4% owner contingency, uh three percent um contractor contingency.

So that's about a I think that comes out to about 1.5 million dollars in contingency dollars uh on the project.

Um a few items that we do want to note uh that are in the memo.

SHEL will be self-performing uh two of the packages, and so uh Shield Saxton company bid and was the lowest uh responsive and responsible bidder for concrete and four doors and hardware.

Uh both of those bids were submitted by their uh company with sealed bids uh at the public opening and were the lowest.

Uh we do have one bid that is not the lowest bid, but the lowest was uh missing a number of uh documents in their uh bid package and was disqualified, and so I think that was uh paint and that was about 19,000 dollars over uh the lowest.

And other than that, all the rest are lowest responsive responsible bidders.

Um so we did have two packages that came in a little bit higher than expected, um, and over the past uh couple weeks have been working with our design team and SHIELL and those subcontractors to identify some cost savings, and so those were primarily in our general trades package, which included the elevator, which we have some cost savings in, um, and then our uh electrical package as well.

Um, and so uh between the two of those we identified and included about six hundred and sixty thousand dollars in savings to be in line with our current project budget, and so um coming to you today, our budget uh is about three hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the positive uh with our contingencies, uh and we most of the outstanding items that we don't have known costs on our FFE.

Uh so we'll be working uh with purchasing on furniture to take that out to bid.

Yes, yeah, furniture fixtures equipment.

So that's um laundry, commercial kitchen, and furniture are the primary items that we'll be working with purchasing an OFM to take out to bid uh in the coming months, and uh we're working with our operators to get pricing on their network and IT equipment.

And so other than those uh items that we're still managing almost all of our fixed our our hard costs are known at this point from this with this GMP in place.

Yeah, and I just want to add a little bit just one um give a lot of kudos to uh the Shrewsbury and Shield Sexton team for sharpening their pencils and making sure that we were well within um our margin of error, so to speak.

Um we're continuing to try to be extremely um fiscally shrewd um in terms of how we approach this project because we know construction projects tend to always have things that are unexpected, and so we want to make sure that we are in a good position should the unexpected occur, and we need to address those within our um project budget.

The thing that is um probably as Dustin mentioned most unknown is some of that, the furniture fixtures, because we're gonna have to have some customized things that are unique to this facility, and we want to make sure that we're building it out in a way that is durable and you know will withstand a lot of wear and tear um and use.

So those are I mean, those are kind of our biggest question marks, but something that we're working on diligently to the extent that we're like we're even you know looking at putting out bids very very soon for that so that we have more clarity both about the cost but also about the time frame in which we're gonna need to have those items ordered so that we can open um as quickly as possible.

Great, thank you both.

Any questions or comments, discussion from the board?

Other than I assume the builders' contingency is is solely at their discretion, right?

And so is this uh is this pricing tariff proof for lack of a better word where if these terrafree change, correct?

There's terrifyed changes.

We don't have any subcontracts that have pricing at time of delivery or any of those wacky things that used to be going on, right?

Okay, thank you, Aaron and Dustin.

I will say I'm a little disappointed because I had a list of questions and you answered them.

I'll be asking them.

So uh thank you for a thorough presentation and uh for presenting a uh proposal that's to the positive.

Um the attention to detail and uh you know you gave up the updates on timing, you just did everything I wanted to know.

So kudos to you for listening.

We've been here a few times, we know.

Kudos to you for listening.

Any other comments, discussion?

Hearing none, uh I will oh I'm sorry.

Could you appreciate that your finalizing project?

Oh, yes, thank you.

Um, uh so uh there was an amendment to your memo uh that you would have received uh the project schedule that's included in your original package.

Um we are still in the process of finalizing that with Shield Sexton.

Um I actually talked to them in the hallway this morning, and um I think we are where we need to be, but I have not presented that to Aaron and Andrew yet.

So Aaron or Andrew's execution, the director's execution of the agreement will be dependent on us uh agreeing on the final schedule.

And we we are being bullish about the timeline as well.

Um so we want to get this facility open, we want to get it operating, and we want to make sure that we're ready for um winter of 27 and 28 and leveraging this asset in our community.

So is the goal to shoot for a fall 27 open?

Uh so we've moved for completion.

Right.

So an original time is our substantial completion date was August uh 27th.

Um and I understand our the updated schedule moves that to the 9th.

Um so we save about two and a half weeks there, and then the tail end of that is primarily um testing and inspections.

So you know our our intention is that trades will be complete earlier, and we're gonna be coordinating with SHIELL on operator installation of FF and E in those final months.

So it won't be hand over the keys in August, and then the operators start coming in.

So we'll be working collaboratively in that time to make a good transition.

Thank you.

Okay.

Any further questions, discussion?

Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to adopt zero item zero five zero six two sixc.

So moved.

Second, item has been moved and seconded.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Hearing none.

Item 050 626C passes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, and that concludes our agenda for today.

So uh with that, I believe we are adjourned.

Thank you.

Thank you.