Good morning.

Today is Monday, June 1st.

This hearing of the local alcoholic beverage board of Marion County is now in session.

My name is Tyler Graves, and I serve as the president of the board.

Today we will hear cases in Speedway, Beach Grove, Lawrence, and then the rest of Marion County, Indianapolis, representing the town of Speedway is Mr.

Robert Staten, representing the city of Beach Grove is Miss Angie Johnson.

Representing the city of Lawrence is Mr.

Jim Hennigan, representing the city.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Appointed by the Indianapolis City County Council is Miss Ebony Chappelle.

And serving as our secretary of this board is Excise Officer Amy Sunier.

This meeting is being broadcast live on Channel 16.

It will be rebroadcast several times in the coming weeks.

You are on television and the board request that you act accordingly.

At this time, please silence your cell phone so you do not interrupt the hearing.

If you do need to have a conversation, step out into the hallway and please be respectful of the meeting in progress.

Here's the order in which we will conduct business this morning.

We will first ask individuals who have come to remonstrate to stand and come forward to the microphones hanging from the ceiling.

Uh give us the name and the name and address of the business you're here to remonstra remonstrate against.

We will then hear cases on today's topic pertaining to the town of Speedway, City of Beach Grove, and the City of Lawrence.

Next, we will call all applicants for new or transfer applications on today's docket.

We will then call renewals on today's docket which have violations or remonstrators.

After we finish today's published docket, we will consider cases that have been continued from a previous hearing.

All of those coming before the board today, whether you're an applicant representing the applicant, or are here to remonstrate, will testify under oath.

Officer Sunier will now administer the oath.

If you're going to testify before this board this morning, please raise your right hand.

Do each of you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or any answers you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

Thank you.

If an applicant should have remonstrators, it has been the practice of this board to accept one request for continuance from both the applicant and the remonstrator.

Should the board deem it appropriate, additional continuances may be granted.

Are there any remonstrators in the hearing room?

Yes, ma'am.

Detective techniques, with IMPD remonstrating against Patron Saint, 250 South Morgan Street.

Thank you.

Any other remonstrators?

Really?

Okay.

Applicants appearing in Marion County are required to have four items before the board can hear your case.

We cannot, we will not hear your case.

If you do not have these four items, so listen carefully.

The first the affidavit of compliance of posting the permit advertising sign from the ATC for at least 10 days prior to this meeting hearing.

The second, the affidavit of compliance or notice sent to the property owners and neighborhood organizations that you sent written notice to about today's hearing.

Third, the zoning affidavit obtained from the Department of Metropolitan Development.

And the fourth, the Marion County Tax Clearance form from the Indiana Department of Revenue.

If you do not have all of these items, please let us know when you come forward.

All right.

In addition to the required documents, if you are a new or transfer application, you are required to have a final inspection approved prior to your permit being made active.

I will give you my contact information when we call you forward and hear your application.

It is your responsibility to call me to schedule that appointment.

I will not contact you.

All right, we're going to start with Speedway today.

Okay, this is a new permit.

Calling RR 494 3407.

Titsy's chicken and fish.

Location pending.

Anyone here for Tootsie?

Okay.

I'll shall continue.

Okay.

RR 49398.

I'm sorry, R.

R.

493 9987.

Speedway post 500, American Legion 1926, Georgetown Road.

This is renewal without violation.

Motion for approval.

Second, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

R.R.

492 69.

Dawson's on main, 1464 Main Street.

Renewal with violation.

Anyone here for Dawson's?

All right.

This will be their third continuance.

So she'll continue to next month.

Or next month.

Wow.

That's it.

I'm surprised about that one.

I need to.

I will contact them.

Yeah, that doesn't match.

Alright, we'll go Beach Grove, Angie.

All right.

Calling RR 494 0374, the Family Grove LLC, doing business as the Grove Sports Bar and Eatery, located at 3206 East Embleston Avenue.

This is a renewal with no violation.

So I make the motion to approve.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Approved.

And the next one is RR 494.

Located at 704 Main Street.

This is also a review of no violations.

I make the motion to approve.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Approved.

All right, Jim.

We're heading the moment.

All righty.

We have a renewal violation.

It's RR493985.

La Guanya Mexican Restaurant LLC operating as Laguania Sports Bar at 8995 Pendleton Pike.

This violation is still pending, so they will be continued to July.

Another renewal violation is RR4936592 8501 Penalton Pike.

Morning.

Well, where is it?

There's two reports.

If you don't have them, you can do that.

Yeah, do you mind real quick?

We discuss it and then I'll catch up.

That's what I think.

Is that so long?

Oh yeah, sorry.

Do you have the hearing house?

Yeah, it's in the ones that you guys just sent right.

85 is included in that.

Yeah, 85.

Yeah, I've got it.

Yeah, I don't know.

Alright, all yours.

No, yours.

Thank you.

Um, if it please the board, Mark Webb, Indianapolis, on behalf of 8501 Penelope Club LLC.

This is an adult entertainment establishment located in Lawrence.

And it has operated under various iterations at that location for a number of years.

Um they had a violation last summer in August.

There was a fight that broke out there among the dancers that resulted in notice of violation being issued, so the violation had not yet been resolved as of November 1st, the cycle date of that permit, um, a letter of extension was granted by the commission.

A second problem with an entertainer arose the first week of December, resulting in another violation.

So at that point, and I have the minutes here from the commission on the the commission's meeting of December the 16th.

They voted to rescind the vial the sorry the letter of extension that was previously issued.

So they lost the ability to operate as of December 16th of last year.

Yes, yes.

They're not operating.

Well, what they're doing what the commission's doing is if you're operating on a letter of extension and you get another violation, they're starting we're starting to set these permits for review of the letter of extension to determine whether in fact they should be permitted to continue operating.

Nice.

Okay, so we're seeing that.

Um the 16th of December, the permit holder, ownership of the permit holder, made a decision immediately, closed permanently, um, and sold the property.

So the property is gone.

Um the permit holder.

We went ahead and put the permit into what's called location pending status, which is means it's just out there in cyberspace.

Kind of escrowish.

Yes, it's an escrow and it's in just sitting out there uh waiting to be uh sold.

The settlement settlements were finally reached on both of these in April, with the commission simply instructing the permit holder to sell the permit at an arm's length transaction.

We're engaged in those discussions, and I think we're really close at this point.

Uh, don't have a signed um purchase agreement, but the permit will not operate at that location.

The buyer would utilize it at a restaurant in Lawrence, um, because the the real estate is, as I say, it's already been sold.

When you say the restaurant, though, the business model changes.

Well, what I'm saying is the person who wants this permit is a restaurant tour that I am told that needs a three-way and doesn't have one.

Okay.

This is a type 210 on the quota, there's nothing available in Lawrence.

This one would be available for somebody to begin three-way service at a restaurant in Lawrence, and we're actively working to try to make that uh happen.

We can't we can't enforce that, can we?

What do you enforce that?

They're gonna say they're gonna sell it to the restaurateur.

But once we approve it or don't, we don't have any ability to make sure.

We don't have any authority over who they sell it to until that person comes in front of comes in front of it.

No, the person then that has to come in front of you and tell you what they're doing.

So we haven't talked about the violation yet.

We need to talk about the specifics of the violation, but the settlement agreement that Mark's referring to in the agreement with the commission, um, one of one of them there were two.

It says in lieu of revocation or further suspension, the respondent shall pay a civil penalty, and in addition to that, the respondent agrees to place the permit into escrow as location pending and not reopen, which we did.

Respondents shall seek a transfer of the permit to an independent party by means of an arm length transaction to a new location.

So that's the settlement they have with the commission.

But there's also language on the settlement that says nothing in this agreement shall negate or restrict the applicable local board review process at the time of the subsequent renewal, nor shall it abridge the commission's authority to review the recommendation from the local board regarding the renewal application.

So, um, that's what they've agreed to with the commission.

We have to decide whether or not he should have they should have the ability to sell it.

Okay.

Thank you for that.

Back to you, Mark.

Okay.

So we've got these two violations.

Each one of them, unfortunately, uh resulted in from issues with uh entertainers, and at the end of the day, try as we might, we didn't have the infrastructure in place to adequately um run these establishments the way they you know, given a totality of the circumstances, it just wasn't there.

They were spread thin.

They had at one time they had four establishments in Marion County, and now with the closure of this one, they're down to two.

Um so again, I think it's a it's a recognition on their part that this wasn't working, and um, so I do think I know that the board we talk about, you know, are the permit holders b uh being accountable?

Are they holding people to standards, expectations?

Um, I would tell you that by closing your establishment, selling your property, that's the ultimate accountability.

That's saying we can't make it work.

Whatever happens, we have to just take it and move on.

But was that decision made because that was the only agreement that could be reached with the commission?

No, we had other settlement agreements.

They offered settlements that were suspensions, but they didn't reflect they were they were issued, the settlement offers were given without the commission's knowledge at the time they were made that the property had already been sold, that there was an intent to close permanently.

We went back and asked for revised settlement agreements to reflect that to state the fact that the permit holder wanted to close permanently as a mitigating to some recognition of mitigation in terms of what would otherwise be the ultimate penalty of denying a request for a renewal.

So this is an effort to, and I think it's a good effort to accept responsibility for what happened there, realize that at the end of the day it wasn't working, and that the best course of action for the permit holder for the community was just to simply close and um move on, make the permit available for somebody else to use it at another location.

Okay.

So let's let's pause and let's talk about the specifics of the violations, because that's what we're here for, right?

We're not here to um just agree to allow you to transfer because that's the agreement you have to commission.

We're here to review the violations and determine whether or not we feel like that's enough to constitute a denial.

So let's talk about the specifics of the violations.

Um Mr.

Carlson, are you familiar with the two violations?

Uh, yes, they're here.

All right, can you tell me what happened?

Um there were two altercations, um, largely involving dancers, uh, one of which was inside and one of which was in the parking lot.

And uh, I believe one of them resulted um, I think in a I think in a criminal charge against one of the dancers, I believe.

So, um I don't think there was any and there was no death or any anything like that.

Mr.

Carlson, this is your industry.

How many of these businesses do you have?

Uh over a hundred.

Over a hundred.

How long have you been involved?

Um about 15 years.

15 years?

Yes, sir.

You've over a hundred of these, and you've been doing this fifteen years, and you couldn't get the infrastructure in place?

That's how we led this thing.

Well, we didn't have an infrastructure place.

If this was your first one, your first business, and just getting started, that may that may sit on me a little better, but my lord, you got a hundred of these.

How many states are you?

Um thirty-two, thirty-two states, a hundred of these businesses, and you don't know what infrastructure it takes to run it?

Yes, sir.

This one is this location has been very difficult, and that's ultimately why we've made the decision to sell it and exit and what made it difficult, might I ask?

Um really just the size of it versus the demand.

I mean, it was it's a smaller property, and um kind of the way it's configured.

The parking lot is on three sides of the building, it's difficult to monitor the parking lot, and uh for the level of security that we needed to adequately protect the business and its patrons.

Um ultimately it just didn't generate enough revenue to cover that type of outside security expense.

So, so you were here July of 2025.

This permit, this application's been continued since October because the violations have been pending that long.

Um July of 2025, you were here for three violations at that time, and we the the board agreed to give you a one-year renewal.

Um you met with Jim, you met with myself and the ATC's prosecutor, Drew Wignall, talked about some things you guys had put in place to try to make things better.

Um, and then we end up with two, not one, but two public nuisance charges since then.

And you're right, they're they're involving your entertainers, but you're in that business countrywide.

Um I know one of them dealt with something in a in the fight in the parking lot, but there was a large extensive fight inside the premise.

Correct.

And I've seen the video from that.

It starts with a couple entertainers, ends up I think with almost all of the entertainers, which was I think around eight or ten, starts in the dressing room, ends up in the bar area.

Um that involves male patrons, involves uh security.

Can you walk us through the events of that night?

What uh essentially there was a dispute among uh a couple contracted dancers in the dressing room, a verbal dispute that then escalated into a physical dispute, and in the process of trying to separate them uh into different areas of the building, it turned into a larger dispute amongst the whole group of dancers arguing and yelling and screaming, and um then it it was just a lot to try to separate and it turned into the whole the whole group that was there and ultimately uh you know again the small building combined with just the uh proclivity of this group of dancers to argue and bicker and fight and cause problems was just not a good fit.

So who hires them as contract employees?

Who hires them as contract employees?

Uh the manager.

What criteria do they use to decide if they're gonna be a problem or not?

Well, um, when the last violation occurred, they started um doing the local background checks, which was uh something that was agreed to.

And um, you weren't doing that before?

Correct.

Just kind of if they walk in, we'll take them.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Well then you may get what you paid for.

Absolutely, yes.

So ultimately, like I said, the situation just seemed too far gone, and selling the real property and exiting seemed to be the best opportunity to resolve everything.

Um this took Lawrence Police Department to come in to quiet everything down before things were stopped, right?

Yes, ma'am.

Um you have another location outside of Lawrence down the street.

Correct.

We don't have the same issues there as we do at this one.

What's the difference?

Uh like I said, it's it's really was just the group of dancers and the group of patrons that were patronizing the 501 location.

We're just it's a dramatically different group of people than the 7259 location.

And so, numbers of that.

Where's anyone in?

Uh it's up the street on Pendleton, but on the outright outside of Lawrence City.

So, it's up the street.

I would say it's down the street, it's on the other side of the street.

Other side of 465.

It's inside the beltway.

Probably about a half a mile down.

It's my guess.

Babes.

Yeah.

It's the old, yes, it used to be that.

Yeah.

So it's just a different group.

Uh it's just a much different group.

Um, I don't think that building's much bigger than what you're in the harem houses.

It's about the same, yeah.

It's about the same.

But the air mouse has rubble with size quality, and this other one doesn't.

I don't know that's I'm I'm trying to.

And we're using a building as an out, and I don't I don't see that.

Yeah, I just haven't just had an issue.

It just honestly just had a different crowd of dancers who wanted to perform there in different crowd of customers who, you know, where's the 7259 just they don't attract that crowd, you know.

I don't know, being a mile apart.

I don't see how they couldn't.

Because I just people work that whole area right there, man.

They stopped there the other one and the other one.

I don't know.

I don't understand.

I don't know the address impact.

Uh a lot of good businesses along that stretch.

Um, you might have better managers of the other one, but you I mean, I mean that's that's your problem.

But yeah, that's I just know.

But he's also not the only guy in the county who has this license and this business.

We don't see many of them, because they run it as a business.

You had another location that was denied a several years ago.

Clev onics.

Um what were the issues?

Remind us what were the issues at that location.

Um that one had a whole array of issues, again, very bad uh group of customers and fights, and I believe there was a shooting at that location.

I don't I don't recall the specific details, but the question I I've got a debate is have you ever heard um if you're always putting out fires, you might be an arsonist?

Right?

I understood.

You're always putting out fires, or we're always putting them out together.

And I don't know why it's always you and I, and and it's not these other owners of these same businesses.

I can't uh you wanna do you want to justify this further?

Well, in terms of the problems that happened, um, ultimately, the permit holder is responsible for everything that happens inside the premises and basically within their curtilage, um, and clearly there's not a whole lot to say other than this happened, it shouldn't have happened.

We deeply regret that it happened, um, but I do think that the determination to immediately close, except responsibility, uh, should be considered as a mitigator, and the fact that we just want to keep this permit alive for somebody else to use.

What can you tell us about the person that's interested in a permit now?

That's what I quit.

Because it's been kind of ambiguous, like who the person is.

We hear that they want to open a restaurant, but that's it.

What else do you know about the person?

I don't know a lot, but Mr.

What's your name?

Carlson, Sir Ryan Carlson.

Uh Mr.

Carlson, what do you know about the person who's interested in your permit?

So a different consultant that we work with is the one who secured the buyer.

My understanding is it's an American bar style restaurant.

Um I don't know who the buyer is.

Like I said, the um Mr.

Bedwell's the one who was working on that.

But it's definitely it's a different location, it's not just location, obviously.

Well, it also be in Lawrence.

Yeah, absolutely.

It has to be it has to be.

Okay, it has to be in Lawrence.

So regardless of you sell it to them or the state sells it to them, they could still end up getting it, correct?

Well, it depends, because the question is whether uh, like right now, I believe, I'm just telling you, I believe Lawrence is over quota because the population of Lawrence has dropped.

Dropped, what are you talking about?

Dropped.

The population of your community sets how many licenses you can have.

Yeah, yeah.

So if you so if you fall under what's what do you what what's the population of Lawrence?

I'm thinking it's like 48.

Does that sound about right?

It's over 50.

Well, okay, the issue all the commission cares about is 2020.

I understand that.

So if and it is whatever it is, we have to take that number, divide it by 1500, and that will tell us.

So if you think Lawrence is overdone, why are you trying to sell another license?

So here this is what he's trying to say is that um permits are based on the number of permits are based off quota.

Right.

Right now that's an active permit.

Because it's an active permit, if it stays active, it can be sold to another owner.

If they find out the population's gone down and now they see that Lawrence is over quota, the commission would then make that permit.

If if we deny it and the permit goes back to the commission, then the commission would make that dead because their quota doesn't allow to happen.

So in other words, if a if a municipality grows, okay, they'll add permits at the decennial census to 2010, 2020, etc.

If a community loses population, they don't get any new permits, but the commission won't take away the existing ones as long as they stay active.

So that's the only issue that I have.

And um, they say we're just trying to keep this alive so that somebody in Lawrence can use it, uh, rather than have to see whether it would even go to the auction in November, which would mean that anybody who needed to use it this summer would not have access to it.

Um, or if it went to the auction at all, which would mean, and and I don't have an answer for that.

I don't know.

I would even advise this board has a responsibility to make a decision on decisions he ultimately made when he got the opportunity.

We gave him the opportunity, it's his business to run, do well, do it not, and then here we are with a bunch of violations and people injured.

You know, uh whether it gets sold or not, I don't know if that's this board's parameter, really.

I understand part of it, but I think we've got to make a decision based on the opportunity we gave you.

Uh, so you had a one year, didn't we have you on a one year?

Yeah, we had a one year.

So so in that case, I'm thinking uh walking through, you've got a hundred and however many of these.

You've got one of these in Indiana that's on a one year.

What changes with you guys?

Do you have like a board of directors?

How do you report?

I mean, a hundred that's a pretty big deal.

How do you get information from the ground back to Vegas?

You still in Vegas?

Yes.

How do you get the information back?

Seems to me like if you had a license, you know you're damn near gonna lose it.

Somebody calls you and says, Hey, Indianapolis is not happy, boom.

What do you do then?

Uh try to monitor it more closely.

And uh in this particular case, you know, we'd started looking for an exit opportunity to sell the property um really as soon as it kind of just became clear that we weren't gonna be able to make a long-term success of it.

When did that become clear to you?

Uh I think when these these two particular violations, but you're already on a one year when these happen, right?

Yeah, you had already been, but on one, yeah, and we had taken some of the steps in the one year to try to mitigate some of the problems, and that didn't work when these particular violations came up.

I think it was uh November.

I think was it November yet?

Well, no December was the second violation, it was August and December.

Yeah, by the time December rolled around, it was just very clear that this location is not gonna it's it needs to in this particular case.

I feel like the only way it would work well is to have a hands-on owner who is actively there every single night, has a vested interest in the business, can monitor closely what's going on at that point, that's when we decided we just we need to exit from this location.

Or better staffing, security staff.

It should have never escalated to the out to the out to the dance area, should have never got that far.

That's what's concerning to me.

I agree.

Your bouncers or whatever should have had that taken off outside.

Absolutely.

So with that lack, it patrons did get involved because you know there's I just don't I don't know.

I'd say this.

I I don't want to eat up your time to share what happened in do you feel like you've you've explained your case?

I uh uh it's just we have a whole meeting, and this is almost the first part.

I understand, but this is important to you, it's important to us.

Well, again, we're asking we tried to take mitigating steps, but Mark, you gotta admit it was after, and I mean I've got three teenagers.

I you know, it was after everything happened.

Well, usually it's a I mean, I said asking us to asking us to predict the future sometimes is hard, but a one year should be a heck of a uh acknowledgement.

And it was and it was, and that's why we're done.

Did you change your general manager at that point?

Yeah, we changed the supervision of the location, absolutely.

How many how many how many uh security guard bouncers did you have on site at this specific incident in December?

How many was there?

There was three plus the outside person.

So you had four, three people couldn't get them dancers in out of the out of the area.

They must be some big girl, some bad girls.

Yeah, come on, man.

I ain't buying it.

I ain't buying it.

Well, I think with that being said, yeah.

I mean, I understand.

I don't think anybody wants that.

It's a tough decision, man.

But yeah, it is what it is.

It's down to poor management.

I mean, that's all, but it's called what it is.

Yeah.

So I think with that being said, this board, we have to make the decision on whether or not to um approve things.

We did give the one year in that time.

We did get these additional violations.

Um, I understand what you guys are saying as far as you know, you want to keep the permit active, right?

But keep in mind we're location pending now, we're in cyberspace.

Yeah, it's just simply a permit out there doing nothing but waiting to be sold.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, but still, I think the ability, the way that I look at it is that the ability to do that and make money from it is a um privilege, it is not an automatic right.

And at this point, we're kind of in.

We don't fully know what all the violators have for us today.

No, but if they're if there's no pain, nobody learns anything.

And if the if the concept is well, we can just do whatever we want and the board will let us sell it and we'll get out of here.

Like I said, I'm raising teenage.

I don't know, okay.

If that's the case, then I would say get into the selling business a lot sooner, so that this isn't the case.

If you can't run it, then get into the selling business sooner.

Well, I would tell you that um hundred circumstances like this, it's never a win.

It never is.

It's always some kind of a fire sale.

Because this is a very closely watched industry, and everybody knows what's going on with everybody in given communities.

I mean, these problem issues get out there.

So everybody knows what's going on.

So sellers don't win.

They don't.

I'm just telling you they don't.

And it's not my real focus.

Whether he wins or not isn't.

I know, but you guys are saying that well, they might profit, and therefore they shouldn't be allowed to.

All I'm suggesting is that that is um I never said each it's a theory.

I would say the board needs to look at it this way, regardless of whether the the decision is to sell it or not.

If we look at just strictly what violations have occurred, what that timeline has looked like over the past couple years, um, and we stay consistent with all our other decisions just based on what we would do with any location, whether they're open or closed.

Yeah, in that case, it would be very clear decision.

And we've had we gave you a one year in July 2025 for three violations, including one public nuisance back then.

After that, you had a public nuisance which involved a firearm in the parking lot, um, in March of 2025.

No, I'm sorry, in September of 2025, and you remained open until the large fight with the public nuisance in December.

Um I don't I don't know.

Um you're blaming it on the location.

That's just those people are gonna go three blocks west to your other one.

Yeah, right.

And when I look at these violation reports, the common denominator and all of them are the entertainers, but that's the business that you're in.

And if you can't control those entertainers that you contract with, then maybe you shouldn't might not be in that business.

Correct.

All right, with that, uh, if we have a motion, we got a whole meeting to go here.

Yeah, I make a motion to deny it.

I don't want to on the grounds of all the violations.

We got a motion to deny, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

All right, we appreciate your time.

All right, I need everyone's reasons for denial.

It's become a public nuisance for me.

Public nuisance, Jim?

Public nuisance, yeah.

I mean, just okay, all right, Jim, you get to leave after the next one.

I'm here all day, so let's run on road.

Renewal violation R R 4931 124, Mario Sol operates Mario Soul at 80 15 Pendleton Pike, suite C.

You guys should it's one violation report you guys should have put it.

So, good morning, good morning, morning.

Yeah, Mark Webb Indianapolis on behalf of Amari Sol.

All right, you want to introduce your clients?

Yes, yes, okay.

So I have with me the two owners of Mari Sol, Maria Mondragon and Jose Quavas.

And they're both owners.

Yes, yes, yes, all right.

Um now are you you both understand these proceedings?

Yeah, let me help you.

Well, we're we've got a violation report, and I'm gonna ask you to tell me what's in it, and then you're going to explain just what happened the night the violation occurred.

Uh the board, as you just heard, we're gonna make a decision whether we've got a couple options, but we'll uh we'll make a decision on whether you which of those options are presented to you based on the testimony you're gonna give us about what happened.

We'll do our best to be fair, you just tell us the truth, okay?

Okay, uh, speak loud enough that we can hear you on the microphone.

Um, but we'll turn it over to you and you can tell us.

Do you do you know why you're here?

Won't you share with us what the violation was, what occurred, all the context.

Okay.

Well, we'll go uh paper rock scissors on.

So it's it was uh a little bit over a year ago that we have that uh uh violation.

Yep.

That uh night we have uh red weird restaurants and then we can so we do uh some karaoke stuff at night, and we do have uh uh security company.

We had it for I don't know how many years, but uh uh we hired them because we we thought they were uh professionals.

We paid them good, by the way, and uh uh at the end we know it is that they don't uh do their right the job correctly because under the table they take money to let minors come in, and suddenly that day that day that uh the officers were there, we were talking to them, they were talking to us, and tell us that uh we have an issue there with a uh minor, and uh uh it was the transition from the restaurant to the karaoke to the karaoke stuff, and we do have the uh uh securities officers over there, and they let two people come in, minors, and uh uh our staff served them thinking that I think they have a security through security, they will be okay, but uh one of your officers look at them say the uh I better check them, and they they did, and they noticed that uh two of them that were underage under age, and well at this point we we hired the the uh uh security company.

We have another one, a different one.

Did you file lawsuit on the first one?

That's what I was gonna ask.

No, you paid them for service.

Yeah, do you have it on camera?

Do you have cameras?

Uh yeah, we I guess I probably didn't make the payment on camera, but yeah, we do have cameras.

Anyway, so we we changed the the um security company, this new one we trained them, we forced them to take the the uh classes and have their uh certificate that they took it.

We have uh two uh devices that to check IDs scanners, one for them at the entry, and one at the bar.

If the employees see that the uh uh customers they look they don't look like old enough, even though they came through the the the executed checks and balance.

We checked them again.

Okay, how long have you had your license?

Uh for twelve eleven, twelve years.

And how many violations do you have outside of this?

Besides this one, uh one, two, maybe two, two, but I think it was if I may, I'm only aware of one other violation.

What was it for?

Um it was uh issue of uh ownership.

Um the renewals were not done properly.

So what we did was we went ahead, I think there was a bit of a language barrier at first, and I questioned, I question um whether the um applications were entirely correct from the beginning, but from the start, Mr.

Quavas was the majority owner, he still is the majority owner.

However, for a number of years, when Ms.

Von Dragon came in and uh bought out the minority owners back in I think 2015, she was tasked with doing all the renewals.

So she went and just looked at what had been done before and thought she was doing it right.

So then when the problem in see here, September of 2024 arose, and um officers came out and she met with them and they asked her her role, and she said, I'm manager and I'm a partner, which she believed she was.

And as it turns out, she just wasn't on the permit.

So that got corrected with the following renewal in 2025.

She got on the permit and is on it now.

But what we did was we went back all the way and filed with the agreement of the commission, filed amended renewals on every single one of those to get them so that they were trued up with what the secretary of state's record showed.

Because the Secretary of State did have accurate paperwork showing a change in the ownership of the company, that just never translated in 2015 over to the commission.

And the sad problem is that none of them possess any disqualifications.

So it's not like it was done because that's what I was gonna say.

A lot of times that's done when you got a straw by or something, right?

I don't think that's the case.

They just it just didn't happen.

So um the uh records have been true up.

Then for a for a while, well, up until COVID essentially, they were operating with, if I'm correct me now, make sure I'm right here.

They were operating with Lawrence Police on their busiest nights.

They've got a couple of officers that would come, they pay them to be in the parking lot.

Isn't that correct up until COVID?

That is correct.

Well, then COVID comes along in March of 2020, and everything is shut down if you're a restaurant.

So they were then closed for a year, year and a quarter, something like that.

So when they opened back up, business was very slow in coming.

So they could not afford Lawrence Police, they didn't have the business.

So they were able to get this company that Jose testified to.

Do we know who they are?

Are they common?

I guess I'd ask it that way.

Yeah, they're they're not they weren't licensed, that was the problem.

They weren't a licensed company.

Well, they weren't a licensed security company.

They just didn't know.

Um, and so when they found that out, they then terminated them, and they had several loyal patrons, people that they like, that they that were willing to help them out, and so on busy nights, they have between a pool of four to six people that would come and help them with a parking lot and just kind of do things because they like them, and then recently um they business has come back very well, and they have now re-engaged with Lawrence Police.

And so Lawrence Police, I believe, did you tell me they've now been like three weeks?

Three weeks, they've had on the weekends they've had Lawrence Police there now, three weeks in the parking lot.

So they are everything is moving in the right direction for them.

Um they say all their paperwork is up to date with the ATC.

Um they were cited for not having smoking signs and things like that, all that stuff has been posted.

All of the issues that were raised in the big um that first violation have been addressed, and a corrective action plan was filed um earlier this year that addressed all of this stuff.

All right.

So thank you for that.

This Groves guy, he was with the security company.

Yes, he was not, he was not an employee of uh Mari Sol.

Yeah, he was okay.

Okay, so then when you made this last decision to hire a security company, what did you do differently?

The first one you hired, and I don't know we gotta be careful with the well, they didn't know because we get that a lot.

It's always people don't know.

Um do you what'd you do differently?

Well, we tried to uh make sure they know what they're doing, because uh uh sometimes when customer uh they they try to get in, it doesn't matter what uh uh we make sure they treat people right by first by telling you can't come in, and then people get upset and and they start having problems.

We make sure they don't they don't get into fight, but yeah, yeah.

You shouldn't have to worry that if you hire a security guard, right?

They're gonna be professionals, but this first group, you know, they weren't licensed, and that worries me.

I mean that you want to know enough that you know to make sure it's a legitimate organization.

Um, Jim, it's yours.

What do you think?

I I think I mean I like give them like a year's probation.

And I was gonna ask, do you think if we gave you a one year um one year opportunity to make sure that this thing gets back into good graces that you could handle that?

Now the last case we just had, we did the same thing.

We gave them a one year, nothing got better, it actually got worse, and we had to do what we had to do.

Don't necessarily want to do that, don't care that we have to, but if we have to, once again, it's that side of the table that makes this side of the table take an action.

So uh in one year, but but before we get there, I just can I ask a question?

Yeah, um, so looking at your via the violations that you've had, you've had you had a violation in 2019 for sales to minors, 2023 for sales to minors, and then in 2025 for sales to minors.

What are you doing?

We have the security issues, right?

The public nuisance on one hand, but then we also obviously have a problem with sales to minors.

What are you doing to make sure that that's been corrected?

We we train the employees to avoid this, and we give ready of uh four of them because they that's when you guys uh catch as doing that.

But after that, we we cash them doing it, so we just give or remove them and hire a different one, train them.

You have a standard operating procedure for your to card everybody?

Yeah, so how many employees do you have that serve alcohol?

Six around eight, eight, and do you is there a written policy?

Do they understand that if they get caught selling to a minor that they're terminated?

Is that a written policy, or what's the do you allow them another chance?

What do you do when that?

We're very strict on that because uh because these issues that we have.

But you gotta see the irony in that statement.

We're very strict on that, but we have three consecutive cases where this continues to happen.

So it's it's a little bit contradictory.

Are one of you there all the time, or do you manage the location yourselves?

Do you have the manager?

Yes.

Someone's always one of you is there acting as a manager at all times.

Uh I work from morning to 10, and then she takes over, and the weekends all night until we go.

So one of us is there all the time.

You ever send secret shoppers in to test your people?

What is it?

Do you ever send people in that you know are underage just to see if they can get through security?

Yeah, one of one of one of the issues that we have on, I think on 19.

He was one of those, yeah.

Is that called X and two of those exiters?

Yeah, and the server, the bartender, that's the one we don't have anymore.

Because we catch her doing it again.

Some of your crowd rush could be attributed to that though.

Kids find out they can get into these places.

We see where they just keep they it spreads and I think you understood what you did.

You to take somebody you know that's underage, have them come into your establishment, not the not the police, but you do it in-house, and try that and see if you can catch them.

That's what he was trying to tell you.

I didn't understand.

That yet.

Is your location is it family dining during the day?

And then after what, 10 o'clock it goes to 21 and over?

Yes.

It is it is there's a big family dining area there, and then there's a small bar area that is limited separation.

And uh I would just tell you, you haven't tried it.

They have a Mexican lunch buffet.

I don't know any place in the city that has a Mexican lunch buffet, and it is really really good.

Um I think they're trying to, they've made a lot of changes.

Um, so we're hoping that we that you will be willing to um allow them a year to prove it.

So you prove it.

Jim, it's uh, I'd like to give you a comedy here a little bit.

I'd like to give them a year.

Is that your motion?

That's my motion.

There's a motion for a one-year renewal.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Second.

All those in favor say aye.

Alright, you have 12 months.

That's that's the you know, it's up to you now.

Thank you, thank you so much.

All right, Jim Hennigan, thanks for everything.

Thank you, man.

Yeah, north tomorrow.

All right, moving on to the rest of Indianapolis.

Uh starting with new applications calling four nine four three four seven seven Tide Bliss LLC doing business at Tide Bliss at 5335 East South Port Road.

Tide Bliss?

Yep.

Thanks, Mark.

Thank you all.

I don't know.

Yeah, come on up, sir, and hand your application to the officer, and then uh you can have a seat at the table.

Oh, that was your orange design.

I think so too.

Color code.

Yeah, I thought it was you want to sign it first.

I was like, I know we have a problem.

Okay, okay.

Sir, what's your name?

Jordan Westby.

What's your relationship to the business?

Um, the owner, you're the owner?

Okay.

So your name's on the license?

Yes.

Is this your first license in the state of Indiana for alcoholic beverage?

Yes.

All right, got a set list of questions we ask everybody that's new.

Answer loud enough that we can hear you on the microphone, please.

Is this your first license in Marion County?

All right, I got the wrong list, pal.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

I did.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in this application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Just me, my wife.

Did you list her on the application?

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand an excise officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carry out privileges?

No.

Are you applying for limited separation?

Yeah, a little bar area in there.

No bar.

All right.

So, uh what's the size of your space?

How many?

What's your capacity?

Uh 4,000 square feet.

Um 120 capacity.

Um, how many employees will you have?

Uh five.

Do you have a policy in place for checking IDs?

Yes.

What's that policy state?

Uh anyone that appears under 40 is to be ID'd.

Okay, what happens if one of your employees does serve a minor?

Um it would be terminated.

Is that that that's part of the policy?

It is okay.

Oh, good.

Um, you have any questions?

What are your hours of operation?

Uh we open at eleven a.m.

and we close at nine p.m.

And that's even on the weekends too.

Um Friday and Saturday, we're open until 10.

Until currently you're currently open and operating?

Yes.

You clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with this license.

Yes.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

You understand that you'll need to have an inspection prior to the permit being made active.

I'll give you my contact information.

All right.

Hearing none, I'll accept the motion.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck, sir.

Thank you.

Here's my card.

Calling RR 4943709.

Uh Chahan Enterprises LLC doing business as Indy Wings at 3623 Shelby Street.

Good morning.

Good morning.

So I haven't received an email from him yet.

I think he said it.

Oh, sorry.

These will all be fast.

They're not a lot there.

Yeah, they should be.

I still don't see the I don't see as a revenue form.

How about we do how about we do that?

I'm gonna give you my card.

Okay.

It has my email address on it.

Okay.

I'm gonna have you go sit back in the room, email me all the documents, and we will call you back up in a little bit.

Okay.

All right.

I will start by that one.

Calling RR4943715 Sippy's Social House LLC doing business as Sippy Social House at 901 South Pennsylvania Street.

Is that a tight North Pennsylvania?

What did I say?

You said South.

Oh is it House?

Is that a misspelling?

Is it 18?

So that's a German spelling.

Thank you.

Do you have the list of the names and addresses you sent the notice to?

Yeah, they need all those.

Alright, you can have seat.

So what's your name?

Nicole Kearney.

And what's your relationship to the business?

I'm the owner.

You're the owner.

Is this your first license in the state of Indiana?

No.

Nope.

How many do you have?

Um I used to have a winery license, and I've uh given that back.

How long did how long ago or how long did you have it?

Um for about from 2018 to just 2025.

I gave it up last year.

And any reason, was it violations?

No, I just closed that business.

Okay.

Alright, tell us about SIPIs.

Um it's a social house, a little gathering space where people can come, um, the sip share and connect, um, and we're gonna have wine beer and bubbles.

Okay.

What's the capacity of your space?

Um, I'm looking to have no more than sixty-five people.

Okay.

Um, do you have a policy for checking IDs?

Absolutely.

Um, I already have another space I look at.

We check everybody's ID.

Check everybody's?

We do.

All right.

Is this uh 21 and over?

Absolutely.

Alright, so they're getting checked at the door, checked at the door and checked again at the bar.

What happens if uh one of your employees does serve a mic?

Oh, I fire everybody.

You've been doing it.

Okay.

How many employees do you have?

Uh we have at um we will have four to start.

To serve, yeah.

And then what will your food menu be like?

Um so we will have a small menu like charcuterie, but we have a cluster truck up the street, and we'll also have food trucks.

I mean, we do not have a kitchen in our location.

But you'll be able to do hot soup and hot sandwiches to meet.

Oh, absolutely.

Um not toppice, but Jamaican patties.

We've talked to them about being able to get those wholesale.

Okay.

When do you plan to open?

Um as soon as you come and inspect.

But hopefully, um the goal is June 19th.

Just for me.

You said it's a social house, yes.

But like that, just it's a bar.

People could come in.

It's not a club, I guess.

No, it is that no, we'll be closed.

The latest will be midnight, but that's for special events.

Our typical closing will be 11 p.m.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye, good luck.

Oh, thank you very much.

Can I ask how soon you can see?

Um, probably next week.

Calling RH 4930419, six points hotel partners LLC doing business as the Hampton Inn and Suites, Indianapolis Airport, 9020 Hatfield Drive.

Good morning.

Do you have the names and addresses that the notice was sent to?

It doesn't look like she has a list here, but here's the okay.

All right, perfect.

Thank you.

I'm Angela Kirby Link with Ice Miller, representing the applicant, and I'm accompanied by Shannon Hooks, who is the manager of this hotel, uh, application uh primarily to let them sell alcohol out of their is that it's called a sweet shop, a gift shop, gift shop area.

Yeah, um, well, is this their first?

No.

Well, this this location is.

For this location, but your entity has other license in the state, I'm sure.

Five other ones, and we have applications for two.

We don't need to ask the questions, right?

No, I and you're the are you the manager of this location specifically?

Do you have any experience with alcohol permits selling alcohol?

Yes, you do, yes.

Within the state of Indiana?

Yes.

Okay.

Maybe could you just walk us through how the transaction takes place at the hotel?

Somebody wants alcohol, what happens?

We have to ID them.

They come downstairs, you don't go to the room.

We don't.

And you have a kitchenette area or like a little concession area.

Right.

And is well, you tell me, is the alcohol locked up?

It is.

It's actually locked in our back office.

Um, but we'll have a display case with empty cans of the beer that we sure.

So it's just gonna be beer and wine.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

And then um, you know, understand that anyone that sells it will have to have an employer permit, training certificate.

You write all those on file.

Um, any of your clerks under the age of 21?

No.

Okay.

Um, policy for checking at ease.

You check them all.

So, what happens if somebody does serve a minor?

What happens?

They're immediately terminating.

Immediately terminated.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Pretty standard.

Hearing none, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Aye, aye.

Good luck.

Thank you.

And I believe she needs to schedule uh excise inspection with you.

Thank you very much.

You can't rent a hotel room unless you're 18, right?

Is it like a rental car?

It's gonna be 20 something to rent a hotel room, or is it like a rental car?

Can you do one at 18?

All right, something we see.

All right.

Calling RR 494 3847, Shake Shack, Indiana LLC doing business as Shake Shack number 1733 at 8704 US 31 South, suite 104.

I've never been there.

It's just okay.

Good morning, Lisa McKinney from both McKinney and Evans representing Shake Shack and Sydney.

Oh Sydney Walls.

Sydney, what's your role with the Shake Shack?

I'm a general manager.

Okay.

Do they have alcohol license in the state of Indiana?

Yeah, they've got uh four others.

This would be their fifth.

Okay.

And have you served alcohol?

Have you been in that capacity before?

Yes.

What's the hours of operation for Shake Shack?

It'd be 10 a.m.

to 11 PM.

Is this beer and wine only?

Yes, sir.

All right.

Can you walk us through how the transaction takes place?

Uh yes, we card everybody that looks under the age of 40.

We walk up, we check IDs.

We do not have scanners, but uh all of my managers are responsible for checking IDs.

And they have to look at the picture.

They have to look at the picture, check the ID to make sure it's real.

That can't be a big part of your business, I wouldn't imagine.

No, and I think you want to tell them how you serve it though, because you don't you don't know it's gonna be my question.

Yeah, so we order at the counter, correct?

Yes, they order at the counter and then we walk it out to them, and we hand it directly to the person whose ID we checked who purchased the alcohol.

Okay.

So you understand cannot be served over the counter.

Correct.

And that's how they do it at all their locations.

So they don't um they don't serve over the counter.

Correct.

What happens if an employee does serve in a minor?

Uh they go through an automatic retraining with a final written corrective action.

Okay.

Is this location currently open?

No.

When do you plan to open?

August.

So we would be requesting there.

I think it's like the second week of August, they'd be requesting.

I'll probably reach out to you into July, beginning of August, ask for the final inspection as soon as the buildings in good shape so that you can walk through.

Are you clear on the rules and responsibilities that come with having this license?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

If you're not asked the lady to your left.

All right, uh, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Motion carries good luck.

Thank you so much.

Moving on to transfer applications calling R R 4943477.

I don't know.

IIY construction LLC.

That's what I think.

That's how this is Mark had to step out.

Are you is this one here?

Okay, so we'll hold up.

Oh, you already called earlier?

I did it.

Who are you?

Oh, speedway.

Oh, power.

Oh.

He's gone.

Yeah, the gentleman who you want somebody come over here and talk to you.

Uh so you ran into him, Bob Staten.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Can we hear it without him?

Uh we can.

Which one was it?

Um, you're still location pending, right?

For today.

I have a location.

But I mean, for for this application that we're hearing today will be the location pending, and then you'll come back for the location.

I have a location already for it.

So when you filled this application out, you didn't, and then in the interim, you found one?

Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Have you um sent in an amended application with Ricardo?

Yeah, come on up, pal.

I know you and I have had email back and forth.

But have you sent in the amended?

You see what you have.

Yeah.

So but as of today.

If we heard you today, we're just hearing you as a location pending, and then you'll have to come back with that address identified because I don't see there's no amended application in here, and I and you weren't advertised with the location.

What do you mean advertising?

Uh our documentation here that we get from the state that says here's all the details for you to make your decision.

It shows that it's p uh pending a location.

She doesn't have, and you submitted to the state.

Here's my location I found.

She doesn't have that.

Here's what I'd say.

We got a guy that is the speedway pointy, and you're gonna have to come back anyway.

Well, here's what here's what my suggestion would be.

Since yeah, but unless and I cut you off, you might've been.

Maybe you were gonna say what I was gonna say, but um, we go ahead and hear him today because he's got to come back with the when he has the okay the one that's identified.

That's fine.

Okay.

Um, we call it.

Do you want do you want to hear him before we move to transfers?

Then yeah, I just want to wrap it up.

Okay.

Um you were Tootsie's Tootie's.

Twoties?

Yeah.

Sorry about that.

Sorry.

Uh all right.

Twoties, so calling R R 4943 407 Tuti's chicken and fish LLC, twoties chicken and fish, location pending or not.

Um, is this your first alcoholic privilege license in the state of Indiana?

No.

It's not.

No.

How many do you have?

Five.

You have five.

First off, who are you?

I didn't ask you your name.

Sorry, but an owner.

You're the owner.

Or the only owner?

Yes.

Before we go any further, you were not here when you got when we swore everybody in, were you?

No, okay.

So let me swear you in.

Uh go ahead and raise your right hand for me.

Do you solemnly swear from under the penalties for perjury that the answers that you've given on your application or any answer you might give to any questions asked by this board to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Okay.

So where are your other locations?

I have West Lafayette.

Um, Dyer and Dyer, St.

John, Michigan City.

Okay, so this one's your first one in Marion County.

That's correct.

Any violations on those?

No.

How long have you had them?

Three years for about all of them?

Yes.

All right.

Uh no, two of them just recently, but I don't know.

Okay.

And what is it?

What's that?

What is this?

It's a restaurant.

Restaurant?

Yes.

What's the well, I guess the location you have now.

Do you know what the capacity is for that?

No, I didn't get the square footage.

I don't have it.

What's the square footage?

3020.

3021.

What are your hours of operation?

Oh 11 to 7, 11 to 10 throughout the week, 11 to 1 on the weekend.

Okay.

Um, tell us about checking IDs.

What's your policy?

Oh, we have a scatter on my check out.

You got a scanner?

Yes.

Good.

Okay, what happens if somebody does serve a minor?

I have a hand.

Scanner only works if they use it.

Correct.

You terminated for sure.

Okay.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

No, but I just want to make sure you understand that you need to get in contact.

I was looking at an email between Ricardo.

I'll try.

He didn't, he didn't have he didn't know what I was talking about.

So I came down here twice.

He's well, there's an email that says that from him that says since this is a 210 permit, which is what you have, I want to make sure that you're transfer the permit to your business first, then we can get it in the right location.

So he wanted us to hear it as location pending so that it goes into your name.

Now it'll go into an escrow account.

Now you'll need to submit the application for transfer of location.

So you need to get with him and get that submitted, and then we will have you come back and once we have that location identified, and we'll talk about that over there.

That's what the or sign and everything is well too.

Yes.

Yeah.

So we can be that alright.

What?

I did that already.

I well, I don't have a location, I don't have an address, so there's no way I would be able to check that sign.

Like that has to be there's to be public notice sent out with the address identified, none of that's been done yet.

So you're kind of in a weird situation, but um I know you have my contact information, so rather than take up a bunch of time during this meeting.

Why don't you contact me if you have more questions about it and we can discuss it?

But other than that, you need to get in touch with Ricardo and submit it transferred location.

Okay.

You're almost there.

Yeah, but we need to um with no further questions.

Do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck.

You're almost there.

All right, so moving on to transfer.

What happened on that IIY?

He still hasn't sent the email to me yet, so he's still on the calling RR 494 3567 Suki Entertainment LLC doing business as Soki Suki Banquet at 4435 North Keystone Avenue Suite 14.

You're not even the best dressed guy in your crew.

Okay.

Amy, did you get Jackson mail?

Yeah.

I've got it.

I like that.

I think he said she's the other ones.

Okay.

Um just some pictures of the facilities.

See what we're talking about.

You can.

Yeah.

Um just a reminder to the board.

Uh you heard this one in April when I was gone.

Um, they had a catering hall permit, they applied for a 210 restaurant permit.

There were some questions over whether or not what their business plan was going to be and if they were going to be restaurant or not.

Um I had some additional concerns after I did the final inspection because I don't feel like the answers they gave me that day match the answers they gave during the meeting.

Um so I asked for it to be remanded back to us to make sure we're all on the same page.

That's fair.

All right, so I think thank you for that.

That summary, it's exactly right.

We agree with the um, you know, apologies for the Jeff McKean was here.

You may remember back in April.

Jeff's out of town, so you're stuck with me today.

Um, but Danverville's want to be an open book.

We're not trying to hide anything here.

There were some fairness after we were here in April.

There were some there were some discussions that you may recall that had the existing catering permit, and they had some events that were scheduled before that permit.

There were some concerns about that to just eliminate those concerns, they canceled those events and did not have them, they didn't want to you know cause any problems.

Are these the rentals or the parties that they were throwing that they canceled?

And because there was there was a question about a graduation event or something like that that they still wanted to be able to honor, but then we were having a discussion about these basically club parties that were happening, so trying to like get squared away on what it is that's actually going on.

So which events got canceled?

Was it the club party or was it the graduation?

Club parties?

I think both.

I I don't think you had any.

We didn't have any events.

I have no events.

Okay.

I think you did have one event that was scheduled that was for an under-21 event.

Yeah, and that might be what I'm referring to as a graduation.

Yeah, there was a graduation.

Yeah, because we decided to go 21 until the money.

Yeah, we refunded the money.

Right.

Because of the transmission speech.

Because of the transfer.

But part of the issue was okay.

So the the reason that you guys want to go from a catering hall permit to a restaurant permit is why.

Um Office of Swallow had um mentioned of us to do that uh because of the concern of uh um of um uh for public events, yeah.

For public events, so there was a concern in the catering hall for some of the you got pictures of a very, very nice event center, um, suke, and you may recall this from last time.

It counts around the Haitian triol, it's kind of the feeling that you get when you're you know in a place with music and the ambiance and so that's what they're trying to create here, focusing on um jazz and music events, but also having private events.

Officer Swallow talked with them when they had their catering hall permit.

There was some advertisement going on social media for bands and whatnot, which kicked it into a public event, and he recommended that they wanted to do that to get the 210, which brings us here today again.

Um, so that was the the reason for switching from the catering hall to the two ten, so that if they were going to have an event that qualifies a public event as opposed to private, they would be able to do that, and of course, I've talked with the band with the camera girls, and so is Jeff, McKeen.

They know that if it's a public event, they need to file the type 22 to notice um up the notice uh IMPD, then it's gonna be public hours and so forth so we're we're clear on the price of the floor.

So I so today your testimony is you want to be remaining catering hall, primarily private events, but then whenever you have a public event, you want you'll send notice to the commission.

Is that what they'll be I mean?

You have the catering hall designated it's a I'm not sure if Jeff has submitted a catering hall designation.

Yes, he has, yeah, I think it's attached to yeah and then the supplemental catering it's a supplemental to do the off-site but yes limited hours Thursday to Sunday 7 p.m to 2 a.m roughly events specific when there's some is an arrow if there's a day but it's not going to be open for lunch open for dinner button so I'm very I'm very okay so I'm very confused and this is why we called you back because I'm very confused on what you want to do.

Are you planning to be open every day or every week Tuesday to through Sunday thir Thursday.

Thursday through Sunday every week open to the public.

I'm sorry and thank you to have us back again and my name is and I represent Suke when uh Mr Swallow come and give us the idea uh teach us about the two ten and that's what Suke needed you know to to start doing what we do and um I'm in promotion entertainment I mean we've been to New York and what we went what suke brand in Indianapolis that's something different than what we what we are used to because Suke and we're not here today to get the 20 license.

It's more what we put in there it's bigger than that.

It's suke it's a brand and I'm glad to say I'm the free stop that brand and we do not think shortcut to be here they take us years not one not to they take us years.

Yeah but so he I think that's uh Officer Sunny's question and I may have misunderstood this as well which is if you don't have an event would you be open on a Friday if you don't have a band or you don't have a schedule event or a private public or private will you always be open Thursday through Sunday that's something we've built we built we could start it it could be because most of the place in Indianapolis they go over 25 years and now that's something you build it's not mean you're gonna come up and you got five hundred two hundred people you're not gonna let for a year.

Oh you will you always be open and so yes because we're gonna build something yes you will be open whether you have a van or an event Thursday evening seven o'clock the doors will be open you'll have your staff and your bartenders there to be open not event specific.

So if you wanted to have a drink have something to eat you'd be able to do that yes okay so that is so then when I came to do the final inspection and we talked about it you told me that the plan was to be open every week well I think you said Wednesday through Sunday but we'll say Thursday through Sunday.

Every day as a bar right as a bar yes if i if you're going to be open to the public you're not going to just have events you're gonna be open every day so if there's no event I can still come in there and have a drink.

We we because we the uh to make it clear we that's something we built and we're gonna create activities like we could get like seven the event like do different things every week build do different things to keep up our clientele because that's something we're gonna build uh is you you'll be open yes we'd be open so yes so not no more just private events you're not going to be operating as a catering hall you're gonna be operating as a restaurant bar 21 and over only if that's and that was important too that was another change that they can do because of the food sales that they'll be able to hit the hundred thousand dollars right um yeah so they decided to switch 21 and over.

There's no there's no kitchen.

The separation yet.

Have you had discussions about the change with your landlord?

Or I know that the late I know that the landlord wanted them, they've got a lease through roughly 2030 right it's a new landlord.

They've acquired the property in the last 18 months or so.

So I don't know.

Have you had any recent discussions with the landlord?

No.

Um because I received a letter from an attorney's office that represents your landlord.

Represents Dyma Plaza LLC, which I believe owns the property.

And it says that they object and remonstrate against the approval, transfer, renewal, extension issuance, or continued processing of any alcohol permit for Suki Entertainment.

Um to the extent the application applicant application seeks authorization for a use that is not permitted under the applicable lease.

Well, I'm sorry, the license uh on our lease, they said we could do that.

So you could do uh it'll be open as a restaurant.

We could do uh only things we could do like club, we could do uh we could go over all uh over 21 and older instead of alcohol.

Our lease uh stated that.

But I I I think for that question is fair, it's a contract, right?

And so we know that the lease has provisions in it.

I don't have a copy of the lease, I don't have a copy of this letter.

Yeah, I just received the letter itself.

Um, but to the extent there's a dispute under the lease, and then that's really not for this board.

As we see here today, your concern of course is that they do have a lease that allows the appropriate license to fit the business model that they can manage if we do or do not do that.

And it's a C full tool.

Yeah, zoning the zoning zoning C4, everything is fine.

Well, once the officers are comfortable with the licenses being requested for, we'll run through the rest.

We just want to make sure we start on the right.

And that's why we're here too.

We we talked about that.

We want to make sure that you all are comfortable with the damver bills, the soup A, which are wanting to do the investment.

They want, yeah, they didn't want to come back here next year on renewal and not have resolved these outstanding questions, and so we're happy to come back today and uh run through things.

I will say to Officer Sonya's point, clarity is an issue because this is now I was here in April, um, and I remain confused around what it is that we're actually trying to do.

Like we got out of that meeting in April, and I'm like hands in the air, like I don't really know how this is gonna pan out, what we decided on.

Um I'm still not 100% clear, but I don't know what my parameters are on what we can and cannot do.

There's just a lot of ambiguity around this, and I don't think it should be that way.

Rely on the officer to understand the details of the license, that's where I'm gonna stand.

Yeah, I'll I'll stand there as well.

My confusion still surrounds the operation, the actual operation of the location.

Um I'm still not really sure if it's a if we're just going to a bar.

I I don't I mean, I don't, I guess I don't understand the distinction is this is what we've been talking about.

If you're going to be open, regular business hours, whether it's Wednesday or through Sunday or seven days a week, you get to determine that, but regular business hours in the evenings that the doors are open, whether you have a band or not, that I can come in and have it there, have a drink and something to eat.

If that's the the business, then that's not the catering hall.

You can still close and have a private event there and do that.

I think this is why when when you mentioned catering, then um I'm seeing I'm seeing uh you know what we have now, and you know we do have a license now, and so when they say catering, uh that's not what we that's not what we do.

Let's switch the word to events, yes.

If you're not getting an event, are you okay?

And you're not having an event.

You are so yes, it's a movie that's still focusing on events to bring in bands and have the music and and if someone wanted to have a private event, you'd be open to that as well.

Yes, as uh but generally speaking, focusing on music, creating that suke, and you'll have regular hours.

We've covered that before.

How many employees will you have?

Uh we have uh we'll have four for uh bought enters and uh security.

We have a firm, and we've had we've had security since we opened 20 uh are they licensed?

They are it's uh it's it's a company that we use and they have four different other companies that they use.

And as far as ID, we have ID checker, uh, yeah, ID scanner, and it's one that they say that the uh TSA uses.

So we we got the one that has everything.

So um you can check passports.

Don't get too confident though.

If they don't use it, it doesn't do anything.

So they've got an yeah, oh yeah.

And that's our bigger concern is the safety of power people.

All right, let's pause.

I want to make sure we're applied for the right license.

I mean, if they if they plan on being open to the public, they need it.

That's what they need is a 210.

Um, and their statement under oath is that it's what they're going to be.

That's what they're going to be, which is yeah, I when they were here last time, I don't think they were very sure on what they wanted to do.

And I think there have been some conversations and clarification.

So we apologize for the lack of clarity.

You absolutely need that, and try to get that to you.

We didn't succeed, so I apologize for that.

But I think we're there.

Yes, so then this is what we all agree to, and this is the correct license, and then we grant it, and then uh we find out that's not what's taking place.

Then we have the ability to have repercussion.

We have the ability to deny the renewal.

Well, we can't do anything between here and there.

If they tell us we're gonna be a restaurant, and then we figure out they're not doing that.

Not for this board, excise can.

Yeah, and I and I would say if something happens and they decide you know what, having the regular hours, the option would still be open to the pay.

We're this isn't working, we want to designate to a catering hall, and we would submit that paperwork to exise.

But if we sit here today, the hope is that business will be good, they'll still and be open to the public to ten limited hours, not seven days a week.

Maybe they switched to that if this is a really good, but the intent to sit here today is have you heard back from any of your neighbors about the new permit?

No, I mean I know we don't have any remonstrators in the room today, but I've received the letter from your landlord.

Which I think you need to sit down and have a really serious conversation with them and Alex, I'll forward the letter to you.

Thank you.

Yeah, we'll follow that.

Um, but I also received one from, I believe it's some apartments that are close to you.

That wrote a letter of objection from the partners in housing.

It just they just open.

We need it being a profound.

For probably like a year old.

We were there.

I think I mean with the prior operations operating for a number of years going back to 2018.

2018.

There had no public uses issues.

No.

I mean, we we did have we did have one, I would consider a significant issue, which was ignoring a cease and desist from the commission on the operations yet.

Yeah.

So I mean that's not a minor violation.

And we resolved, and there were two issues.

One, the prosecutor dismissed, um, and then one, yeah, was settled.

The event happened and should not happen.

That was a number.

How long ago was that?

It was part of what we discussed in April, which added to my concerns.

But what does partners of housing have to do?

Yeah, I'd like to read this letter.

This player's much shorter than the other.

The landlord is much multiple pages long.

But this one says, Dear members of the Alcalan Tobacco Commission, I am writing on behalf of partners in housing to formally express our opposition to the issuance of alcohol permit are 493 567 for Suke Banklet.

Partners in Housing owns and operates adjacent affordable multifamily housing, Fall Creek View, and the point at Fall Creek that serves vulnerable populations, including residents participating in HUD, continuum of care programs who require ongoing case management and supportive services.

The safety, stability, and well-being of our residents are central to our mission and daily operations.

We oppose this application based on Suki's banquet's documented history of non-compliance and problematic operations.

Specifically, there have been prior ceased and assist orders, instances of events held in direct violation of existing license licensing restrictions, any pattern of disturbances associated with the property, including incidents involving violence.

This history raises serious concerns about the applicant's ability and willingness to operate responsibly under an expanded permit.

The requested 210 three-way permit would signify or would significantly broaden Suke Banquet's operational scope by allowing the sale of beer, wine, and liquor for both on-site consumption and carry-out, as well as extending operating hours to effectively 24-hour access with a 3 a.m.

cutoff.

Given the applicant's prior record, granting such latitude presents a heightened and unacceptable risk to the surrounding community.

As the immediate neighboring property owner serving at risk individuals, we have first-hand experience with the negative externalities generated by this establishment's past activities.

These impacts are not theoretical, they directly affect resident safety, disrupt supportive programming, and undermine housing stability for individuals working to overcome homelessness and other significant challenges.

For these reasons, we respectfully urge the commission to deny alcohol permit, RR493567.

At a minimum, we request that the commission carefully consider the applicants' compliance history and demonstrated adverse impacts on the surrounding residential community before taking any action.

Thank you for your consideration of this matter and for your continued commitment to protecting the health safety and welfare of our futures.

So I would check to that on a few bases.

One, they're not here, I don't have the opportunity to cross-examine them.

They're making a lot of vague claims there about impacts.

We don't have any specifics there.

This is zoned for this business.

It's appropriate to add it there.

They've had an alcohol permit with events and alcohol there.

But that doesn't happen.

That was the nature of that.

You know, the hours of operation under the catering hall permit, they could have stayed open until at 7 to 3 a.m.

just like this permit.

So one, these folks aren't here.

They weren't here the last time that we were here before you.

We don't have a lot of documentation to debate it.

But at the same time, they could also have transportation issues, the challenge to get here.

Your objection is noted.

And I agree, like we definitely put more weight on an in-person remonstrance.

But either way, your neighbor has concerns, right?

So, I hope that if this permits approved, that these concerns don't become a reality.

Do we have the ability to grant a one-year?

If we we have that option, yeah.

What do you think about that?

I don't have it.

I mean, basing the basing the one year on the side.

Let me add this.

It's uh it's a collection.

What about the layers?

I mean, we have to renew it and whatever.

And it's just is like the layers of, you know, we want this license or we want this license.

Maybe if we take that one year and we see what it is.

My concern is that this board has taken a pretty firm stance, and we've seen it today on the position that if you're under a one year renewal, and this is an issue, is that if you have anything happen, you're not removing the next time.

So those were pretty egregious though.

What did happen with this today?

Correct.

But I mean not your people, the one the case earlier.

But but I've I've been involved in ones where there were it was, you know, a minor, and it wasn't even a minor that was service, a minor on the premises that so I don't want to put the damn bills in that situation that if we don't anticipate in the issues, they they got the training, they've run well, they don't have violations for serving miners when all we had that it was an operational violation that we're trying to resolve with this permit.

We haven't had public nuisance issues, but if something happens, I don't want to put them in the position that we wouldn't have an opportunity to come back and have a one-year renewal potentially next year if you know it's all noted.

So that's my concern on on a one year now is to really back them into a corner based on you know hearsay and I think pretty weak um objections.

I'm really prospective, you know, violations that they're gonna happen.

If we take away the landlord's objections and we take away the objection of the neighboring the neighbor.

My issue is the nature of the violation under the CH permit.

Yeah, because I look at that as a complete disregard for the rules and regulations of the commission.

Because you had been you'd been notified twice not to have public events and you had a public event anyway, even though it's it was I I think a year later, several months later, you very clearly knew you could not have those events on the type of permit you had, and I understand you've applied for a permit that will now allow you to do that, but at the same time, this is a permit that allows you to do a lot more than what you're able to do under the CH.

So then you're getting more responsibilities, which means you have to follow more of the rules and regulations of the commission.

And I don't know, I need to feel comfortable that you're willing to do that.

Yeah, I would agree to who much is given, much is required.

So I think the one year puts us in a situation where it gives SUKA the ability to prove to the commission that they really are going to run this business the way that they tell us they're gonna run it, and it also, I think, as far as decision makers puts us at ease that we didn't just you know heart blanch to say, okay, go ahead and do what you want to do because everything that Officer Sonia say is correct.

The letters from the landlord and stuff that is concerning, but again, they're not here, and they're kind of predicting some things that are off into the future.

I think the one year puts us in a really good position for Suke to be able to step up to the plate and prove that they have what it takes to take on this level of responsibility because the other option to be, you know, really a stickler about it is just to completely deny it.

And we're not talking about denying it, we're talking about offering a one-year, yeah.

You heard all that.

What do you think?

The one thing I would say about uh the event, um, the the thing is that we didn't post it, we didn't um post it online and say okay, come in and and it was done.

It we we rented out the the space and then the people did that.

So let me ask you a question about that.

So you got a letter from the state of Indiana.

Who's that was that addressed to you?

Do you know who the letter was addressed to?

When they said they gave you the cease and decision.

I think it was to the permit, it was to the business, right?

So you got that letter and you opened it, and what did that letter say?

Do we know?

No, I talked to Ms.

Officer Swallow.

So you can an officer came and told you and then said stop and that was canceled.

It was canceled.

That was cancelled.

It was nothing.

Yeah, I think y'all are kind of when we're asking very direct questions, and it's like in some instances we get direct answers, and in other instances, I think that y'all know the information that we're asking for, and it's more of an ambiguous response, which is a little bit insulting.

Which we're not trying to do that at all.

We're not trying to.

It feels that way.

I think I asked you.

It feels that way.

I had poorly worded questions.

That's that's not.

So I wasn't involved.

I looked at the information, my understanding, and I'm used correctly if I'm wrong.

The cease and desist violation was related to there was a the Haitian group and the sexy Sundays, and they posted, they had security.

But whose responsibility is it?

Responsibility, and that's what we're here to talk about today.

So to continue to litigate who posted what and whatever is kind of a waste of our time.

Hang on, I didn't know.

The point that I want to make though, it wasn't that the damver bills, it's their responsibility, but they weren't actively publishing notice on social media advertising this event.

It's that the buck stops with them.

You understand that, right?

Yes.

The sexy Sundays, or or the Haitian group that was advertised, they put it out, it was a violation, it was a violation of the cease and assist, they they settled that and resolved it, and they're clear that they need to get it.

I can understand that.

I just need to know.

Okay.

But my I'm assuming that when someone comes in, for an event, there's a contract.

Yes.

And in that contract, it tells them what they can and cannot do.

Yes.

So then they come in and they have a different event than what they've supposedly told you that they want to do.

At some point as the owner, do you not look at this and say, hey, this is not what you agreed to?

We need to shut this down, and you need to leave my property.

That didn't happen.

They were allowed to have the event.

So that makes it your responsibility.

So you knew that they were having these events, even after you were told directly from the commission, you cannot have these types of events.

But we never have when when we get into information, and that was like that.

I thought that's what you were saying.

It never happened.

That's never happened.

Wait, I mean.

So there was a violation.

This is the same thing that we were talking about the last time.

Yeah, back in 20 was this, you know, 25 or 20.

Can I approach?

Yeah, I just need some clarity.

Go ahead and enter.

Are you gonna enter as a remonstrator?

Or yeah, we're gonna answer the monster.

We can ask for continuance.

I said here too much.

IP has too many concerns.

We were at the event, it was an under 21 event, there were kids there promoting the event, we showed up.

That's what the cease and desist was about.

Now, that was our concern at the time.

I am very confused as an agency.

We're confused.

Um I just don't know how much more we can say, or my staff and our squirming in the seats because we're just we're very much concerned of what this location is gonna be.

Is there a kitchen there?

Are they gonna have a menu?

Are they gonna serve food?

Are we doing my concern is they are now we don't have open events, and now they don't have to work out the private events only as an event hall, but I'm I'm just really concerned.

I'm sorry, but we were at the event, under 21 event.

There's tons of kids there, there was alcohol on site.

We went there, we said, hey, you guys cease and desist.

You still have under 21 kids showing up for this big party because all over social media was very much concerned to us.

Now they said they didn't have the event.

I was there, my staff was there with us when we actually spoke with her and explained to her you have alcohol on site, you have kids in here, you have juveniles come here for a high school party.

We were very much concerned.

That was my concern.

Again, I well I'm I that's not that was the that was the event that took place that they were told not to have.

Yes, right.

I mean, so it did, it did take place.

No, no.

Uh when when when when when when when they called me, yeah, yeah, when when when they were coming, I I remember we told uh Mr.

Sualo that we're gonna have an event like a college event that would be under age.

And because he came back on Thursday, and and on the front on the next day, when we told him that, he said, okay, as soon as we take all the alcohol out, we take all the alcohol out with the let's say.

That was the that was a different one.

That was the one that the process.

That's not what you have around.

Okay, well, let me start from the beginning.

Uh we the the sexy Sunday, there was um when uh Officer Swallow came in, he said he gave us a C C.

We we see we everything was cancelled.

Now, while he was there, uh, there was a group from from uh from IU that wanted to have uh uh party uh uh uh under 21.

Okay, so um I talked to him, he said, okay, you can have it.

We I we asked him, can we do that event?

He said, Yes, you can, but you have to take out because the way our bar is they say take out all the alcohol.

And which we did.

Okay.

When they came in, it seems like because it there was no alcohol that was supposed to be served.

Now when they came in, there was like they came and they didn't bring anything.

We had food for 25 people and stuff like that there, but they didn't bring anything, they didn't even bring water.

So I went out and got some water, and when I came back, that's when I met with uh with Officer Swallow and everybody else.

So that party was the we did that party was allowed to take place because we took out everything, and uh there was uh uh also um the fire marshal, they even had somebody stay uh at the in the premises to make sure that everything was was okay.

It was with the uh with with the uh uh fire fire marshal.

So there was nothing that we did that was not that that uh Officer Swallow didn't say it was okay for us to do.

Because we were not serving alcohol.

But were people drinking at this event?

No, no.

There was nobody drinking, and and uh the fire marshal uh that was there throughout the night.

He stayed there throughout the night for four hours, and we had to pay him, I think, I don't remember how much, but we had to pay him for the hours that he came.

So there was no underage, we never had any underage drinking.

Never that's the event I was discussing, but that was not the one that was that's the event you just said that the there was alcohol.

That was there was alcohol.

There was alcohol.

Under 21 on the under 21.

We were not selling alcohol.

Well, where did the alcohol on premise and that was the event?

And they were outside.

Yeah, yeah, but we we removed them because it was when when I when I left to get the water, the the uh people that I that I had uh that were there, the workers that were there, they were supposed to remove everything.

And then uh there were about three bottles that was um there was that was in the well that they didn't remove.

So by the time I came, and it was the same time that uh Officer Swallow and everybody else came, and then uh when we saw that we we took it out, but there was nobody at the uh uh selling anything at the bar or what have you.

At the time, there were nobody inside the building yet.

Was that were they conceiving alcohol?

No, no, no.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Now I I am perfectly.

I'm confused as our agency, but if they were going forward with the other 210, then they can do those type of events.

That's the thing.

But the party she's talking about, it was under 21 event, not all on site.

She's been delivered the cease and desist.

We went back up there with folks.

We saw that that was advertised, and we're like, how are they open if they have a cease and assist by the commission?

Okay, and the alpha if the alcohol hadn't been there, then obviously the liquor permit wouldn't even be that there was alcohol still on site.

As she's testified to you, she went back and found the alcohol in the bars out.

Okay, thank you, thank you.

Well I would say we want to make sure not only things are clear for you, but also for IMPD and all of them.

So I mean, I'll commit that you know the license is issued, the red limit the issue today.

We will sit down, cap cars, team, the DM will just make sure that everything is clear, how they're operating, what they can do, what they can't do.

Um we want IMP, comfortable.

Uh then let's do it.

I'm not invested in this, and so your question about the the one year to prove things, that will be up to you to prove that.

I think that's where we're at.

I think I'll hold you to that the meeting after the case.

Uh that has to happen.

Um if you're comfortable with a one year, I think that's uh you may I understand your point too about the board, and I uh you're not wrong, but um I'll make a motion for a one year renewal.

Puts all the puts it all on you.

You said entertainment.

You're like something and something in entertainment.

That scares me to death, sir.

Yes, I hope you can uh we we we do you allow your employees to drink at the events?

No, the the employees that work for you are they allowed to drink?

No, no, no.

No, no, we do our best.

We got medical detector, yes.

No, you can't do your best, you gotta do our best.

Your best isn't bother me at all.

Yes, we've got a best hand.

That's got all the best.

That's what you've got to do.

So with that, do you understand the rules and regulations that go along with this permission?

You clearly understand you can and cannot do it.

We have all the lawyers.

And you were here at the beginning of the meeting with the gentleman earlier, um, who was on a one year, had more violations and was denied.

We do not take the one year very lightly.

At the same time, I'd add it was an egregious.

The guy it was egregious.

So, with that, I'll make a motion for a one-year renewal.

There's an a commitment that the meeting will take place between I and PD and the owners.

Um, and do we have a second?

I second.

There's a motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you if you send it.

All right.

Where was it?

Yes, calling RR 494366, El Asadro, Mexican Grill, Indianapolis LLC, doing business as El Asadero Bar and Mexican Grill, 6110 East 82nd Street.

We need to go back to the III.

We started to call that when the guy from KD Pitsies.

Yeah.

Good morning, sir.

Hey, good morning.

Morning.

Uh Mark Webb here on behalf of Jeff McKean on behalf of uh Roman Ortiz.

Roman, nice to meet you.

There's all your reports there.

Okay, so this is a Mexican restaurant that is going in 6100 block of East 82nd Street.

It's going in the Castleton Square Mall parking lot.

I'm seeing a lot of that.

We're uh an old Applebee's operator.

Good.

So it's your first license in the state of Indiana?

Yes.

Alright, we've got questions for you.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

Uh my lawyer.

You can say his name.

Clark Whip.

No, Mr.

McKean.

No, Mr.

McCain.

All right.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in this application answered in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

No.

Did you list the other members on the application?

Yes.

Is there at least 200 feet between your premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter inspect and search your premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carryout privileges?

Yes.

Are you planning applying for limited separation?

You have a bar area in there?

Yeah.

Um what's so it's an apple base?

What's the capacity?

Do you know yet?

It's a Mexican restaurant.

That's uh in an old app.

Well, in an old app.

I'm just thinking of the space of an app.

So what uh 280.

280?

Yeah, okay.

How many employees are you gonna have?

Um with I'd say like around 25.

And do you know management?

Come with having a server's license and that you have the responsibility to make sure they have those and they're up to date.

Yes.

All right.

What's your policy on checking IDs?

It's uh anyone that peers, uh 40 and younger.

If I could for just a minute, I'm gonna show you this document.

Have you ever seen this before?

Yes, you tell them what it is, because I'm gonna give it to them.

Yeah, it's what is it?

It's a policy.

Okay.

It's a written policy.

I have written policies.

Good.

He'd like to take a look at them.

Yeah, you took the time to bring it.

You got any questions for them all reading?

Um, what are your hours of operation?

Um Sunday through uh Thursday.

We open uh 11 and we close that time.

Close at 10.

Okay.

And uh Fridays and Saturdays, it's uh 11 to 11.

11 to 11.

Okay, great.

Do you plan on trying to do any events or stuff like that, or is it just gonna be restaurant bar?

No, just restaurant, family farm.

Got it.

Now, you will you be managing the day-to-day operations, or will you have a manager in place?

Um I'll be there probably uh for the first couple of months, maybe like the first three months of opening.

Then what?

Well, I mean we have our managers as well.

You have general managers around the place.

Correct.

Have you hired those managers yet?

Yeah, yes.

Okay, do you have managers' agreements on file with the commission for those?

Sorry?

Do you have managers' agreements on file with the commission for your managers yet?

He will um we'll make sure that those MQs, you're talking about managers' questionnaires.

Yeah, the questionnaires will be on file with the commission before they open.

I believe that the premises right now is not currently allowed to sell alcohol.

Is that your understanding?

It's just a there's not anything in there right now.

They're not taking over.

So before, so that means you're gonna have to do.

Have you done the final yet?

I've done the final inspection because it was already set before we continue it last month.

Okay.

And there's been a request from Jeff to set this for tomorrow.

Okay.

Um, so we can make sure that uh MQs are are on file with the commission for whoever's going to run it.

Um right now it probably will be him.

It'll be me.

It'll be him initially, but then as it moves forward before he um starts to transition out, they'll make sure that they've got additional MQs on file.

For people, have you actually opened or what's no?

We're we're we're just waiting on the license.

Okay, so then as soon as the permits been made active, you're going to open.

Correct.

Yes.

So it's your name on the license.

We hold you accountable.

Yes.

This part of you walking away in a few months, and that's a bad phrase, but you're gonna hire a manager, and then you said you'll be gone after a few months.

What's that look like?

I mean, I will be gone completely.

We have a couple more locations.

Okay, so this is your full-time industry, though.

These restaurants, yeah, correct.

Yeah, we have a couple of restaurants in Ohio and Kentucky.

Okay.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing any?

Nope.

I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

All second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Alright, good luck, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Calling R R 4943679.

Oh no, you're right.

I'm sorry.

You guys are good.

I'm aye.

Yeah.

Calling R R 4943477, IIY construction LLC location pending.

Can we hold that one back?

We're still fixing a couple of things.

Would you have that toward the end?

Yep.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh then calling RR 494 3679 Brassica, Indiana LLC doing business as Brassica sandwiches and salads.

8702 Keystone Crossing.

Suite 1B.

It's in it's in the Keystone.

Oh good.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Morning Clark.

My name is I'll wait for you, Clark.

You're paying him.

Let's get it moving.

So we have a little Clark Kirkman with Clark Quinn Law on behalf of Brasica Indiana LLC.

With me is Darren Mohami, who is one of the owners.

I've been business in the restaurant business for 22 years.

Uh with my brother and sister-in-law.

We're based in Ohio.

We have uh, let's see, 16 restaurants now.

Uh 15 in Ohio, one in Texas.

Okay, so it's your first license in the state of Indiana.

Well, gotta do it.

Did you prepare the application yourself or did someone prepare it for you?

I did.

Did you have a chance to review the application efforts prepared?

I did.

Were all the answers contained this application answered in a truthful manner?

They were anything you wish to add to the application?

Not at this time.

Are you the only owner of the business?

No.

Did you list the other members?

I did.

Did you is there at least 200 feet between your premise and a church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that our next officer may enter, inspect, and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

I do.

Are you applying for carry-out privilege privileges?

We uh are.

I believe that yeah, they did.

And do you have limited separation?

Uh we don't have a bar.

Good.

Yes, so this is in the, I believe the old meanie blues space in the uh in the mall food court, the fashion mall.

Um, you know, it's it's a counter, you know, order at the counter style restaurant.

Um, the alcohol transact.

How does it transact?

Uh you order at the counter uh along with your food, and we're serve it.

It we're putting on on the tray as you walk away from the counter.

If it's alcohol though, cannot be served over the counter.

It'll have to go to the table by a server.

Okay, we can do that.

We we're we're accustomed to do that when you order fries or falafel, we give you a token and bring it to your table because we're firing it to order anyway.

So that's not a problem from a service standpoint.

Policy on checking IDs.

Uh anybody that looks like they're under the age of 30.

How does the carry out situation work?

Uh we have a um an app that you can uh order online with, so you can order uh uh only our only our frogan frozen margarita for carry out, and then it's uh it's in a call a Dixie cup with a lid, and we have a tape that goes over the lid that seals the top of it and the sides of it so you can see if someone has had a drink in the car.

Got it.

Do you have an exterior entrance?

We do, yeah.

And the alcoholic beverage sales for this location are gonna be like less than two percent.

Our average for Brasca, the the for the brand is 1.6%.

How many violations have you had in your other stores?

Never nice when do you plan to open?

Uh in uh actually, we've experienced some construction delays mid mid-July now.

Okay, any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

All second.

All those in favor say aye.

I aye.

Good luck, sir.

Welcome to Indy.

Okay.

Calling RR 494 3779 Isle Enterprises LLC doing business as Greeks on 16th at 1601 Columbia Avenue.

Any requesting a continuance?

Calling RR 494 3801.

Top us in LLC doing business as top us in a taste of Spain at 8215 center run road suite B.

Isn't that you guys in email this morning?

Uh huh.

With the timeline.

Uh yeah.

Computer went dead off of here.

Good morning, guys.

Morning.

Speaking of, can I borrow your charger?

Can I use some of your charges?

Yeah.

What do you need to do?

So let me take it.

We have both here and sworn in at the beginning of the meeting.

Yes.

I'm glad you have to pay for it.

I think I'm good.

All right, let me get this pulled up.

Thank you.

All right, Clark.

Yeah, Claire Kirkman with Claire Quinn Law on behalf of Tapas Enye, Taste of Spain.

This location is in the Castleton area on Center Run.

It's sort of near Costco and on the opposite side of the street from the actual block of the mall.

It's a Spanish Tapas restaurant, provide you with the menu.

And they've been operating without alcohol and are ready to obtain their three-way permit.

All right.

Tell us about Tapas.

Well, it's uh there's small plates uh that we serve.

Um we have uh both cold, um both hot and cold tapas.

Um there's shareable plates.

Um it's really about a social experience while having good food.

Um we also sell paellas, um different types of salads, four different types of salads, and um four different types of desserts.

The menus um pretty small uh so that we can focus on on the food, they're they're open four days a week, um, till about 10 or 11 o'clock, depending on the night.

So it's it's a food-focused uh restaurant um that you know the they've worked with a they brought in a chef from Chicago to to really uh get this, you know, hone this menu in correctly and um you know they they put a lot of work into trying to build something here, when did you open?

Uh April of last year.

April we opened the doors April of last year.

This is not the first time you've applied for a permit for this location, correct?

Correct.

What happened the last time?

We pulled out um because we were we were hurting financially.

Um you may remember last year we were here for OHSR Enterprises doing business as a stereo.

Um we had you know that license was heard this this month last year and last June.

Um that that license application, that renewal application was denied.

There's another guy from Chicago.

Is that right?

No.

No, not yet.

So we were this application was on for the following month, so that application had to be withdrawn.

Um, and they've been operating without alcohol ever since.

Uh, we did, you know, go through the appeal process at the alcohol and tobacco commission, and and actually were successful in obtaining uh, you know, an overturn of that license denial.

They were their license was called in April, um, and their license at a stereo was renewed.

They actually told me that uh excise was actually just at a stereo on Friday, and no uh violations were issued.

So um what you're referencing, so after, you know, their their stereo license had been denied.

Okay.

Um they've they've they've got this new project.

It you know, they're staring down the barrel of losing their their business as a at a stereo.

They're trying to launch this new business.

Um they made the decision to sell that business, and it was so they they contracted with I believe his name is Michael.

Um, and he brought that application, uh, which which, you know, it was the the the sale was contingent on Michael obtaining the alcoholic beverage license.

Uh that was not um approved, and so he Michael walked, and they've been operating continue to operate the business ever since.

Okay, and then once the denial was overturned, um, that you know made them eligible once again.

I I encourage them to stick with the business.

Let's let's play the process out.

And we're here today.

What was your relationship with Michael Francion?

I know uh Michael through a couple of people that I'm originally from Chicago.

So I know Michael through I have an attorney.

I grew up with uh Pedro De Jesus, and he's he's my attorney in um out in Chicago and we knew we know a lot of people in the same circles.

Michael's uh one to get into the restaurant business.

Um from what I understand, he's has he had some experience with his father excuse me with his father, um, and we just wanted to get we wanted to sell the business, yeah.

When did you begin talks with Michael about selling him the business?

About uh September of last year.

September of last year.

And Officer Sunier, um the the hearing where Michael appeared at one point you made the point that Saul had appeared in an Indianapolis monthly article, um, and that ran in October.

Um he sat for that interview in July when, you know, before that sale was you know was contemplated, and so you know they they sat on it, they sat on that for 90 days before they ran it.

So that that's what happened back then.

So the the stereo was denied June 2nd, yeah.

2025.

That interview took place in July.

The end of July.

And at that point, when you did the interview in July, you were still planning on continuing with the business in your name.

So then why would Michael create his LLC with Indiana Secretary of State's website June 21st, three days after the commission denying a stereo's renewal?

If you hadn't begun talking to him yet about buying the business, what other purpose will he have for opening an LLC in Indiana at that time?

I'm sorry.

What other purpose would Michael have for opening an LLC in Indiana at that specific time?

I I'm not sure.

I mean, I know that we've been in talks with him since since July.

This was June 21st, though, three days after Asteria was denied that he created the LLC.

I don't know.

With the address of Tapa Zone as the address, okay.

I don't know.

I mean, this was a year ago.

Michael was working with another attorney.

I've never spoken with him in my life.

Um, so I'm not sure what consultation Michael had with that attorney to, you know, as far as what steps might be taken.

Um, you know, it's possible that our memories are fuzzy about what discussions took place when we're here today.

You I understand why you're here.

You're here because you want College Plus LLC to transfer the license to you to be used in TAPAS.

Correct.

In a location at a restaurant that we denied transfer to for Michael Francion and Familia Francion from College Plus to him days after Astereo was denied.

Well, the tr that I mean that that train that was I believe November, so it wasn't days after a stereo was denied that that all happened.

The creation of the LLC was days after the denial.

Which would have made you aneligible.

The denial would have made you ineligible getting the commit, which is why you withdrew the first time to begin with.

Because that would have been denied.

I mean, what I do remember from that back then is that you know that like that withdrawal uh for TAPAS for their application for TAPAS did not come in the days coming out you know happening after that local board hearing.

I mean that there was there was discussion on what to do.

Um I'm not sure.

Um I have the dates, so I can give you the specific dates if that will help re uh help with refresh your memory.

So April of 2025, you sign a purchase agreement with College Plus LLC to transfer their permit to Saul Ramirez and Topis and LLC.

May 2nd.

Um you submit a transfer of ownership and location for that permit.

June 17, 2025, the ATC upholds the denial for a stereo.

June 21st, Familia Francione LLC is created with the Indiana Secretary of State's web or Indiana Secretary of State with the address for Tapas N 8215 center run.

Then June 26, the appeal for a stereo's denial is filed with the commission.

Um July 7th, 2025, TAPAZN LLC application is set for the local board here, and you ask for continuance, which is granted.

Then July 14th, 2025, the withdrawal submitted from TAPAZN for that application.

Um August 26th, then College Plus LLC indicates during an escrow, meaning the commission that the sale was still going through, that they believed it was going to be a different name on the ownership on the paperwork, but the same ownership.

September 16th, 2025, then a purchase agreement is signed between college plus LLC, the same, which is the same permit, and now the buyer is Familia Francion, Michael Francion.

October 8th, 2025, the transfer is submitted for that application.

October 27th is when the Indianapolis monthly article runs where it talks about the fact you've had liquor license issues that were delayed that have delayed Ramirez's plans for spirits.

November 3rd, 2025, Familia Francion LLC Michael Francion testifies to the local board that the lease is still in Saul Ramirez' name, and that Ramirez has been operating the business and will continue to run the business for at least the next several months.

November 18th, 2025, the commission upholds the denial for the transfer on that.

December 11, 2025, there's an appeal hearing for estereo for the denial of the renewal.

February 23rd, 2026, your appeal is successful, the denial is overturned, and you're allowed to continue to operate a stereo.

Then April 8th, 2026, the consent from the same from the same permit consent to transfer is signed from College Plus LLC back to now Topas N LLC, which is you.

And then we're set for commission for uh the local board for today.

But uh looking at that timeline, what that tells me is that you realized you were not going to get approved for permit for TAPAS based on the denial for a stereo.

So you brought Michael Francion in to put it in his name for a business you were planning to continue to run.

Is that true?

No.

Then what's the truth?

The truth is that we tried to we tried to sell out the restaurant because it just was not working.

We have a lot invested in in this project.

So we tried to just go ahead and try to try to sell it off so that we can just cut our losses.

Now, I did, uh I've always reached out to to Pete uh my friend in Chicago to get some advice on what she what we should do, not only with with Pedro, but also with Mr.

Clark, to kind of figure out what what is it that you know just could get it get advice and on what direction we we might want to go.

I don't know.

I mean, and that's been all the time.

Uh I mean, well, and when I speak, uh, we you know, we speak to other other people just to get a feel of how to manage the you know, manage the even with with everything that we do, because we're new in this, everything that we do, we try to get some advice just to to figure out how to move forward.

What advice were you getting from Michael?

Advice from Michael?

Yeah, we're getting advice from Michael.

Where did at what point did Michael come into the conversation?

So at the point where we were we decided to go ahead and and sell it.

We had we had a couple of um we had a couple people that we wanted to go ahead and tell that we were we wanted to sell the location.

Um, Michael wasn't the first person that we talked to.

Absolutely not.

Um we had a couple of people that uh were interested in it.

Uh a gentleman uh who owns a Mexican restaurant on the uh northeast side.

Um there was another person um that owns a chain of Mexican restaurants.

Um they liked the concept.

They liked the the room in itself, um, but they just weren't at the price where we need it to be, unfortunately.

It was kind of like um they saw an opportunity, they thought that they can get it next to nothing, and that's when you know they made offers, global offers, that we just kind of stayed away from.

No, and I will note based on the timeline you just presented.

I mean, that application wasn't filed for over 90 days following the denial from a stereo.

I mean, if here's my here's my problem when I look at this timeline.

Three days, three days after the commission upholds the denial for a stereo, which makes you ineligible for getting another permit for the next year.

Three days, Michael Francion files, creates Familia Francione LLC with the Secretary of State's what with the Secretary of State, using the address of 8215 Center Run.

So, how do we go from within three days of the denial now coming in to buy it?

Coming in from another state to buy this business.

Again, I know that I talked to to Pedro about where we should move, how we should move.

Where what what should we do on different things?

Once we got our denial, if we got a we got our denial, I felt like it was okay, it's over.

You know, there's no way.

So we started we started to go ahead and make moves on how to sell it right away.

I mean, honestly, until today today to today, we should we we lose money on this on this business.

We don't make any money.

This is uh a passion project, right?

This is something I know that would do really well if all the pieces of the puzzle were there.

And that's why we continue to go ahead and push forward with this.

You know, once everything is together, it'll it'll it'll work smoothly.

If you go on Google um the reviews on Google, we're uh we're at about 4.4 uh on 170 reviews, 4.4.

It's it's not not bad, and people really enjoy the room.

Uh I smile because people also say when they drive up, they don't think that that's the location, and then there's a liquor store around us, so they don't know where to to go in.

Um but when they come in, they see the room, and it's it's really beautiful, it's a really nice room.

Um, and it's nothing like they expected.

I'm not gonna argue with the quality of your food.

I'm not gonna argue with the quality of the restaurant.

My issue isn't with any of that.

And had you simply withdrawn the permit um and then ended up after the the denial was overturned and then simply reapplied now for another permit, I probably wouldn't have an any issue with voting for that permit.

My issue is I believe that you intentionally misled this board by attempting to put a permit into someone else's name so that you could continue to run that business and have alcohol there and do something indirectly that you can't do directly which is a by submitting false documents to the commission which is a felony that's my problem that I have with this application.

That's not the case.

And I would not have filed this application if I did not if I did not get assurances from them that that is not the case.

So what do you think what do what do you think happened?

It sounds like he um I mean I'm not I don't know it sounds like he talked to um some you know someone in Chicago and then that person may have started running with you know potentially setting up off you know offloading this project.

So maybe they put the car before the hurt the horse these people in Chicago so they just heard that there's something to be had and they moved forward is that what you think happened it's possible.

Do you think Michael Francion who lives in Chicago three days after the permit is denied said you know what I'm gonna buy that restaurant so I'm gonna I'm gonna create this LLC use the address of the restaurant in hopes that I would end up getting it that's that's what you're saying.

A man who's told us during the board meeting that he's in trunking he has no interest in restaurants in Chicago and no interest in any other businesses in Indiana.

All I know is is what I've talked about what I've asked my clients so I I've never talked to Michael and Sion.

I don't I don't I don't know about the food I well I know because it was what what I was told was that he had some food experience he's had some restaurant experience his father owned a restaurant.

As a matter of fact his father owned a few restaurants and I thought it'd be a good fit it was a good price it was it was something that he wanted to get into and from what from what I understand from Pedro is that he had come down to take a look at at the um the location and the market and there isn't another there isn't another toppers restaurant in the city and that's what kind of from what I understand was the the thing that kind of sold him on on the business and and look I you know you talk about three days but it really is more like a couple weeks because you know we had the local board denial I mean nobody had any expectation that we were going to that was not going to be upheld at the commission okay so there's you know there's a couple weeks there I don't know um it's right.

Do we know what our options are necessarily from a board standpoint.

I mean, do I feel that someone tried to be cute and outsmart us?

It looks like it.

By the time you came out of that meeting and you knew you weren't gonna get a license, I could understand why by the time you got to your car, you're saying oh I gotta sell this thing.

It's costing me money and I'm not gonna get a license that was that was me pushing that.

I'm the finance guy, I'm the numbers guy.

Like, get rid of that.

I mean it was it's it was it's it's been killing us.

The flip side is they didn't own this license yet.

Uh was it the but they knew they were not going to be able to do that?

No, no, they did they had paid money for the license because that that was back in April.

I mean the they they filed the top the Tapas application in April of last year.

So I mean they had they had a contract to buy the license.

It wasn't in their name, but I mean, there was a contract there.

Yeah, there's a contract there.

Just how much alcohol sales could you do at this place?

What it seems it's a big sticking point.

You gotta have a liquor license for this place.

Well, the the chef, the dishes are kind of created to be paired with specific wines and of the region, right?

So it makes a difference, right?

And I'd say that because when we did the tastings, I mean tasting the food now versus with the wines, the flavors are just you know, it's it's it's a different experience, right?

So we believe in the product, right?

That's what we're we've been taking a year of losses, right?

Uh, because we do believe in the product, and I got a little desperate when we didn't get our license with the stereo.

I was like, we just can't continue, you know, to hit our pockets this way, but we believe in the product.

So the but this thing is coming down to the trust they have in you, you know.

Were you involved in this timeline?

And are you guys trying to outsmart really smart people?

I mean, was anybody that you're not gonna answer?

That's the question, right?

Right.

What was your involvement in the timeline where these people are making decisions using your address and a time that works really well for them and um first one?

I've sat here a long time.

I've never really built anything like this.

So I don't know what criteria.

For me, for me, it's a in my opinion, it's a clear case of a false ownership filing paperwork in someone else's name because the applicant, the true applicant, did not qualify at that time to hold the license.

I give it a show.

And part of that is based on going back to and watching, in addition to the timeline, watching the testimony that Michael Francion gave in the November 3rd, 2025 local board meeting.

I remember him that and it didn't make any sense, and it had a it was he didn't know answers to questions.

Um he told us the lease was still in Ramirez's name that Ramirez was going to continue to be part of the business for the next several months.

I mean, the lease was in it, the whole deal was was conditioned on the license.

Okay, there was an agreement in place conditioned on him obtaining the license.

He didn't want to, you know, put his name, you know, put his name on a take an assignment of the lease if he wasn't going to get the license.

So that's my understanding.

So, you know, would there have been a transition period, you know, to to fully get it into Michael's name?

I guess so.

Um, but there was an agreement in place to sell it to Michael.

You know, a written legal agreement?

Yeah.

Well, we had a verbal, and then he was going to go ahead and sign off on the um the sale, the day of the transfer of the license.

So the day so in November 2025, when he came before this board, there was no written documentation on a contract that says um, there was no signal.

There was nothing signed saying he was going to do any of these things.

It's all verbal and we're taking your word for it.

The landlord knew uh we contacted the landlord just in case um uh just in case um we wanted to transfer the the the name of the lease on the um on um uh on our agreement, a lease agreement uh for Tapas.

So he was aware.

Um but to answer your question, I mean he was ready with a check, he was ready to sign, we were ready to move forward as long as is this uh the transfer of the license went through.

But so there's no written documentation that you could present to us to say, here was the agreement that said if the alcohol permit transfer is approved for Michael, all of these things will happen.

He agrees he's taking over the lease, he's taking over the business, like you're telling me that as of that November hearing when he was denied, all of those agreements were verbal.

So we did send him uh Clark did draft up something for us, and we sent it over to him, and he didn't sign it.

He wanted to um make sure he wanted to change the numbers a little bit on the payments, and he also wanted to um make the first payment, and as soon as he was able to get over the hurdle of getting delivery license.

I did draft something I've asked up and down why he never signed it, he never signed it, but I did draft a document that said what for the for um to purchase the assets of Thomas.

So that would have been the permit, that would have been the you know, the rights to the premises, the what you know, everything in the assets of the business.

And when was that drafted and sent to him?

I drafted it, I have to look back, but it was in July.

And you went forward with it anyway, even though he hadn't signed anything.

Yes.

This is the best offer that we had.

Why would call it why would the owner of the college plus license um indicate to the commission that they felt like you were going to continue to have ownership?

But you were changing the name on the funny.

Um I uh had talked to uh Ohm, who's college plus um and he was he told me that he hadn't spoke to anybody on the commission.

So yeah, you're saying that's what he said at an escrow hearing.

Okay.

Is this permit once the once you withdrew your application, then the permit needed to go into escrow?

Well, it was always an escrow, right?

I mean it's been a team.

Either way, they're in an escrow meeting.

Yeah, so he's in an escrow meeting.

Um I have no idea what I don't know.

Look, I know this is confusing, and I would just ask, you know, my clients have been through an ordeal to get this open, you know, it's gonna be a food-focused restaurant open four days a week, closing at 11 o'clock.

Um just ask that you know that this board be, you know, give us a little grace, understand um the way you know, some of what Officer Sunny read sounds, we had an agreement, and if we could, you know, just be given the opportunity, you know, we to prove ourselves at this restaurant.

To me, it's not confusing though.

To me, it's very clear on what happened, and you may have been through an ordeal, but that's an ordeal of your own making because of what was happening at the other location, and on that, you know, we have not had any problems at a stereo since February of last year.

Um excise has been in a number of times.

We've not received any violations at a stereo.

Um, like I said, they were just in last week.

They were in a number of times leading up to the appeal hearing.

And every time, you know, the operation, everyone signs off on it, and there's no violations issued.

Um, do you know do you have any idea how many times XIS has been in since last June or last year?

But right before the appear hearing they came in a few consecutive weeks.

Okay.

It was so resolution.

Yeah, yeah, we do need to reach that point now.

Um so the um state commission has come back and said okay, they are able to have their license.

Right, a stereo is.

Originally the commission upheld the denial.

Yeah.

They filed for an appeal.

There was an appeal hearing, and I uh the result of the appeal was that the denial was overturned and they're allowed to continue.

Yeah.

So had the denial been upheld and the appeal not worked for the in their favor, it would have it once you're denied for a permit, it you're automatically ineligible for a year.

So they're not automatically disqualified from having a permit right now.

Yeah.

If there's enough there to deny them based on whether you know whether or not they intentionally meant to mislead the board and the commission, yeah, their application.

That's the that's the that's the sticking point.

The decision, yeah.

And it is it is a tough one, um, because I can see, you know, a lot of wires get cross, especially when too many people you have too many chefs in the kitchen, basically.

You guys are running a restaurant, but you have way too many chefs in the kitchen when it comes to the business side.

Um, so there is a reality in which people just kind of trampled over each other and did stuff on their own, and then there is another reality in which it was intentional.

Um, and it's it's hard.

Uh so I'm going to be the tiebreaker.

Yeah, well, I I will say this.

And just I'm sorry, I I'm sorry.

Um I'm just a little nervous.

Sorry.

Take a breath.

You're all right.

Um I wouldn't put through I wouldn't put us through uh another, I wouldn't put us through a situation.

Um doing what you're saying would we possibly did.

I just wouldn't do that.

I guess that's all I want to say.

Yeah, uh, so you're still thinking about that.

Uh I mean I'll call for a motion.

If we have a motion, I I'm torn.

I I I do believe someone's trying to be cute.

I think that that they could outsmart, you know, whoever.

Um at the same time, I can understand some of that taking place.

You didn't think you're gonna get a license, or you didn't think you could if that, you know, and so you're on your way back to your car, you're thinking I gotta sell this thing, it's killing me.

Um boy, I think it shows that they're really good, and with that, I'm trying to decide can you serve wine when someone's having a top of sandwich?

Uh I believe you can.

So um this concerns me, but I know enough to know all the eyes are on you now.

And it's because of this fishy stuff.

You didn't have to do any of this.

And stop calling people from Chicago.

And the thing that I was going to say, and I stopped myself is if if I that's your big surprise.

I'm gonna do something fishy.

Why am I going to get somebody from Chicago which makes it look fishy?

But you did.

I mean, I don't know.

Call the guys at Heyman, see how that worked out.

Here's what I'll tell you.

I'm gonna make a motion to approve.

Because I think you can serve alcohol and top of sandwiches, and I think you know everybody in the state's watching you and just waiting for somebody to make some mistake.

So with that, uh, I'll make a motion to approve.

Thank you.

This license.

Is there a second?

No.

Do we have the ability to do a one year?

I think it's I don't know.

I think this is an up or down.

I mean, you could wait.

We can we'll take one year.

We'll show you what we can do.

What are you thinking?

I'm not going to vote to approve.

I could you want to do one year?

It does not look good at all.

We gotta move on.

It's 12 o'clock.

But yeah, I would be okay with a one year, but it is a very like delicate yes.

This is not as super affirmative, yes, because this does not look right.

So that's your motion.

My motion is to approve a one year.

I'll second that motion to get this meeting going.

You've got one year, fellas, and everybody's watching.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

With that uh is there, huh?

You're gonna call for a vote?

So there's a motion, all those in favor say aye.

Aye, aye, opposed.

Aye.

And my denial vote is based on the fact I believe you intentionally um were trying to deceive the commission and this board by filing a false or causing someone to file false documents, which is a felony, and um there's no way.

There's no way in good conscience I could approve this permit.

Alright, with that, a vote's been called for and held, and we move forward.

Thank you, everyone.

All right.

R R 494 3805.

Squirrel's nest bar and grill LLC doing business at Squirrel's Nest Bar and Grill, 5560 Brookville Road.

Please let this be straightforward.

It wasn't gonna be, but okay, I remember you guys.

Good afternoon.

Everything's so well.

I don't remember anybody.

I'm an elephant.

All right, get me back on track.

Yeah, Nick Broyles with Bradford and Riley, and with me I have Tammy Rexroat and Yvonne Navarro, owners for Squirrel's Nest.

Um so this was continued last month due to concerns about ownership.

Um that um Yavon's husband was potentially involved in the ownership, yes, yeah.

Um based off of a social media post uh of him.

Yeah, that's it.

Yes, that's the the um location.

So um we did have a meeting with Officer Sunny at the location.

Um we have some additional documentation to show you know he has no involvement.

Um we have a um an affidavit signed by her husband, um, you know, stating uh and and notarized that he has no involvement, has never had any involvement in the ownership management or employment of the of the location.

Um but we are happy to to answer any questions, concerns that the board still has on that.

I assume you were involved in these conversations.

Yes, so I stopped the meeting um last month because I I had some questions that I didn't really think she would want on public record during a public meeting.

So uh we sat down the four of us and had a conversation um after that meeting um and the discussion we had, and we were there probably over an hour, I would say.

Um I felt comfortable that Scott her husband is not involved in this business.

That's enough for me, yeah.

We had already gone through all the questions though, in regards to the license and their ability and their process, and so we were comfortable with that.

We were I remember the gentleman on the video, so we were not uncomfortable with that.

You've had a meeting and you feel that we're in good standing.

Yes, that's that that means that carries it to me.

Okay, so then are we prepared to call for a vote?

I just want to put on record, right?

You're testifying on your oath.

Yes, Scott Keene is not involved in this business in any way.

Not at all.

He's actually barred from the facility.

All right, so we're one thing to have a conversation with me.

Isn't that a thing to testify to that?

Yes, yes.

Alright, so then we just call for vote.

We're done everything.

All right.

Well, with that, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Good luck, Earl.

Thank you.

Okay, calling R RR 494 3808 or Indianapolis LLC doing business as to be determined at 231 and 235 South Meridian Street.

The DBA is going to be all red.

Old Hall.

Oh, red.

I heard about this.

Yeah.

There's irony of that because that dog was law enforcement.

He went chasing the zero and he didn't do his job.

Hey, we all have our shortcomings, right?

That's right.

Alright, sir.

What's your name?

Uh my name is Ron Career.

I'm vice president of food and beverage for Opera Entertainment Group, which owns the brand of old red.

Okay.

And I'm sorry, you said your role was?

Vice President of President.

Okay.

First license in the state of Indiana?

It is.

All right.

Did you prepare this application yourself or did someone else prepare it for you?

Someone else.

Did you have a chance to review the application after it was prepared?

Yes.

Were all the answers contained in this application answer in a truthful manner?

Yes.

Is there anything you wish to add to the application?

No.

Are you the only owner of the business?

Yes.

All right.

Is there at least 200 feet between you or premise and any church or school?

Yes.

Do you understand that an excise officer may enter inspect and search your permit premise at any time without a warrant?

Yes.

Are you applying for carry out privileges?

No.

Are you applying for limited separation?

I don't really know what that means.

Bar 21 and over only, and that's out there.

The whole place is best around the bar.

So it's 21 and over for the whole place?

It's family friendly.

Okay.

When do you when do you plan to open?

Not till Q4 of next year.

Okay.

So I don't want to get too deep into the woods right now, but after July 1st, the limited separation.

Law changes?

Law changes.

That is.

So that'll be good.

Okay.

Um big space, isn't it?

37,000 square feet.

Yeah, so what did the fire marshal give you?

We haven't gotten it yet because they haven't built it out yet.

Because the historic commission would have to keep some of the walls in place, but it's probably going to be close to about 15, 1600, I'm guessing.

Which building?

But we wouldn't seat that many.

Our capacity would be closer to like six or seven hundred.

NV is what it is.

Oh, NV, okay.

Um, this is not the first one.

Am I correct?

The first old red.

No, we have six currently.

You have six.

And uh, how long how long have you had these?

Uh first one opened in 2018.

We have them in Florida, uh, Nevada, Tennessee, and uh this will be the sixth.

And how many violations do you have on those other licenses?

None.

None?

None.

All right.

Policy for checking ID?

Absolutely.

We're a publicly traded company, so we have SOPs for everything.

So yeah, we have four.

And we have our own internal auditors that come around and check us on a monthly basis.

So good.

To the planet's tab live entertainment.

Yes.

Um, will it be all country music?

Will it be different genres?

So our our model will be all country when it's just house bands, and we do music from open to close seven days a week.

Now we do do ticketed events every now and then, and that could be rocks, other rock things like that, but 98% of our music will be country music.

So you're new to the state, you're clear on the rules and responsibilities to come with this license in Indiana?

Yes.

All right.

Any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve.

I'll second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Welcome to Indy.

Thank you very much.

And I will review my card.

Yeah, and call for the inspection.

It'll be about a year.

Thank you guys.

You're welcome.

Calling DL4934537 Family Station LLC at Brose Management Incorporated.

Uh 2304 Madison Avenue.

Nobody's moved.

There was no sign posted for this one.

Anyone here for Family Station LLC?

Calling R R 494 3864 stick and hack Broad Ripple LLC doing business as stick and hack.

4560 Ocean Street Suite 100.

What is this?

This is a golf facility.

Sure.

Stick and hack.

That's what it thank you.

Uh Nick Royals again with Bradford and Riley.

With me, I have Adam Grubb, who is the owner for Stick and Hack Broad Ripple.

Um, Mr.

Grubb does have another permit uh in Hamilton County.

Um, same setup uh with the stick and hack.

It's located in Fisher's.

Um, so similar operations, it's an indoor golf facility with uh the simulation or the the golf simulators.

Um, so yeah, opening up this new location at 46th in the Monon, basically.

Um, there's those new uh apartments that were built just along the Monon uh that have some retail space in there as well, so taking over one of those suites.

How many violations in Hamilton County?

Zero, how long you've been there?

Uh a year and a half.

Okay.

Um how does the alcohol transaction take place in the inside?

It's a bar.

So bar area, yeah, bar area, um full full bar area, bar equipment and all that.

Okay.

Is the facility 21 over is it open to everybody?

Okay.

Uh what's your policy on checking IDs?

Uh under 40.

Uh obviously immediate uh check.

If there's any violation on that, uh, there would be a write-up internally as part of our SOP write up internally on first offense, retraining, second offense is immediate termination.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Did you say when you plan to open?

Uh three weeks.

In three weeks.

If if all the construction finalizes, I don't know how many questions on the comfortable here.

All right.

Uh, do we have any further questions from the board?

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, all second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Good luck, sir.

Thank you.

Calling.

Yeah, I cannot.

Calling DL 4934546 bottle shop 49 LLC doing business as bottle shop at 4901 North College Avenue.

Yeah, right.

You have your paperwork.

Do you have your paperwork?

I didn't.

Uh the notice I received in the mail didn't say bring anything.

I just I thought because I had submitted everything.

I'll try to have you come forward then.

Yeah, come on.

Is this your first location in Marion County?

Is this the first location you've had in Marion County?

In terms of a package liquor store.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, so I'm gonna give you this packet.

There are four documents that are required in Marion County.

Um, the three of them are not required in other counties, and we have to have them before we can hear the location.

We have four.

So you're gonna continue.

To the July meeting.

Listen, I have a read all of these instructions thoroughly.

I'll ask her after.

Yeah.

Number one is the compliance or the affidavit for the signposting.

I've got it.

You did that.

You need to leave the signpost to change the date to July 6.

Okay.

The three other things you have to do.

You have to send a notice to your neighbors.

This is where you get the list of neighbors that you have to send the notice to.

Um I guess that that was the confusing part in terms of neighbors.

Uh-huh.

How many neighbors are we talking about?

Anybody that's registered.

So they're registered neighborhood organizations.

This agency will give you the list.

Okay.

That's required to be sent to you have to do that 15 days prior to the meeting.

You also have to get this tax form sent to revenue and get and get an approval back from them.

I did I did this.

This is it.

You you did the one with the um application, right?

But I did the property tax one.

I did the tax clearance as well.

One that looks exactly like this.

Uh, I mean, it was a while ago when I did this.

So my guess is so the one you submit with your application is not the one that we need today, this is a separate one.

Okay.

This is a specific form we need.

The address is on the second page where you need to take it to.

I need their approval.

Okay.

So don't bring this back without going taking it to them first.

And then the last thing is zoning.

You need a zoning approval which comes from the Department of Metropolitan Development, which is three.

There's a form in here you'll fill out.

Get a notarized, send it to them.

Is there approval that I need back before we can hear you?

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure I did that as well, but okay.

If you did it, well, if you did, um you would need to have them with you today.

Because the commission doesn't accept them.

Processor doesn't accept them.

You know, you have to bring them today.

Okay.

And so July 6th.

July 6th.

9 a.m.

down 9 30 in the room.

Thank you.

All right.

Last one in transfers calling RR 4943617 PWW Indy Downtown LLC doing business as Hooters of Indianapolis 3110 at 25 West Georgia Street.

Should you handwrite that, G.

Yeah.

We have we have to go back up to III, and then we gotta go back up to Indy Wings in the news.

Thank you.

And it's Indy Wings, yeah, yeah.

I'll knock this one out.

Afternoon.

Lisa McKenney.

That is after.

I know I'm sorry.

Lisa McKinney with Bozo McKinney and Evans.

Hi, I'm Madison Smith.

Hi, Madison.

And she is the general manager.

Yes, general manager.

This is DW restaurant holder, went through bankruptcy, and PWW in the downtown LLC purchased them out of that.

Nothing is changing at this Hooters, which is just this one right downtown.

Just a corporation.

It's a corporate well, yeah.

They purchased it, but it's all um, it's get the same employees, same training that's involved.

Anyone who uh were to attempt to sell is immediately terminated.

They card everyone at this location.

Um they have cameras throughout the uh location.

Um I should let you talk.

Okay, I'll keep going.

So we need violations.

No.

So you've had your license a long time.

I've lived here 20 some years.

You've been there the whole time.

Yes.

Uh well, yes.

I had I had to sit there the whole time, but uh there's nothing changing.

No.

Bankruptcy.

You guys bought this thing.

We're keeping the staff, the location, the policies.

We didn't have problems before.

We won't have problems in the future.

Correct.

Everybody comfortable?

Okay, I'll accept the motion.

I make a motion to approve.

Motion to approve, I'll second all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

I think you're all right.

All right, moving on to violations.

Oh, you're right.

I'm gonna go back to new.

You may start with IY.

Yeah, I start with that.

Uh going back to transfer, R.R.

4943 477, IIY construction LLC location pending.

My client is just texted.

He's finishing up his partner revenue with his clearance.

You want to still hold on to that one still?

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm so sorry.

Okay.

All right, then going back to new applications.

R R 4943709, Chahan Enterprises LLC, Indy Wings at 3623 Shelby Street.

There it is.

Oh, so I received the email, but I still don't have I received the email, but I still do not have all of the required documents.

I still don't see the approved tax clearance.

That's that's the zoning.

Do you want to take a quick break already?

Yeah, let's do that before we go to violation show up.

So we're gonna take a comfort break.

Five minutes.

So I have a lot of three, yeah.

Thank you for that.

I think that's right.

So that way we can bring in all the people that are like, it's true.

I think that you can uh maybe have a very much on one.

Oh, yeah.

So we're gonna have to crack for the line.

No, but I think we can see the funds the one that we have.

I don't know if you don't do it by the way, I think it.

Okay.

You don't need to wait.

Okay.

Okay.

I don't want to pay more time.

Yeah.

So I'm going to send you here.

I'll never forget.

My public meetings peaked in my life at that point.

That's all downhill from there.

Okay, calling the meeting back door, all the same rules apply as previously previously stated.

We will move into violations.

Oh God, you can't do it.

All right.

R R four nine zero five eight five zero.

Monie Incorporated doing business as Silk Show Club at thirty-five twelve Madison Avenue.

I think we may have one in the bathroom, but we'll come up.

Oh I got a violation.

You're waiting on somebody else still.

No problem.

No problem.

Have a seat.

Okay.

I don't know if the agency.

So there are two violations.

Yeah.

I think he went downstairs.

There you are.

Who do we have silk?

But it's under Yeah, it's on Monomie.

Mona Me.

You guys pack the launches.

Do you want to have an extra?

I usually I once a day.

I knew this was gonna go long.

I had to grab some.

I usually want to say because I'll pack a lot.

Yeah, we should have a hell.

I don't know if he's already said he's coming.

You say he's coming on.

He just texted her and say he's coming out.

All right.

Sorry, about that.

Yeah.

You see one outside for a second.

Oh there it is, there is.

All right, that's not good.

I'll go ahead and have you sit here on there.

Mark me with the mic on.

Oh light on.

At the bottom little green light.

Yes.

The little green light is on.

Actually, maybe I should I'm gonna have you sit here.

Were you all present at the beginning of the meeting?

Were you all sworn in?

Yes.

Okay.

Alright, Mark, we'll let you leave.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um, members of the board uh web in the napolis on behalf of Mona Me Inc.

Um this establishment had uh two violations, one in um October of twenty twenty four, and another one in January of twenty twenty six.

Um the establishment has done uh a number of things that has uh gotten rid of the um problem individuals.

Um it also now has uh gotten a scanning system, a car ID scanner, which will help uh deter uh underage people from coming in there trying to come in.

Um they have uh significantly beefed up their security and they also have um put uh one dedicated employee constantly on supervising the bar so that watching the bartenders, not just a bartender, but a supervisor of the bartenders, uh to make sure that we don't have uh these issues also um approximately three weeks ago, I believe.

Um we met uh had a productive what I thought was a productive meeting with INPD to discuss changes that we were making that uh and to try to um show them tangibly that we're trying to move forward and we want to get things right because we don't want to lose the business, and um so uh I have to get into the report here.

Well, before we do that, can we identify everyone?

Go ahead.

My name is Jonathan McKinney.

And your relationship to the business.

I work as security.

Jim for Alexander, may own a yellow fake and I'm bartender, I think.

Okay.

Sorry.

Uh okay.

So you're here for two violations.

Um let's talk about the specifics.

What happened?

Um, which violation?

Uh we'll go with the the earliest one first, uh January.

No, the earliest one was the uh 24 violation.

This is that's the one.

This is the one that was settled.

Um right there, there was your settlement.

So, Stan Talks person, right?

Right.

Um so I guess there was over serving that the bartender no longer works there.

We let her go.

Um, I don't know what the original container required.

What that means.

I mean, that you're allowed carry out, yeah.

Oh no, carry it letting them carry stuff out.

Okay.

Yeah, I think somebody snuck out with a beer bottle, but uh they didn't take it off the property of only if it was found on the sidewalk.

They can't walk out your door with that, you know.

Um this investigation began due to a fight and a shooting in the parking lot.

What happened?

Um, we were it was closing time.

Um as a group of people inside, they went outside, they had liquor in their trunk.

I don't know, words were exchanged out there.

I guess a guy was trying to protect another girl from I guess a guy was trying to hurt her or something, so he tried to protect her.

I don't I really don't know the whole situation with the group, but some of them were together, some of them weren't and a shooting.

Were these all patrons?

Were there employees involved?

No, no, please were involved.

Any are your entertain are your entertainers contracted or are they in place or contracted?

Yes.

Were any of the entertainers involved?

No, ma'am.

Okay, so people are in the parking lot, patrons come out of the bar, they get into an argument in the parking lot, yes.

A fight ensues, and it leads to a shooting.

Yes.

Is that what happened?

It was and it was a younger kind of crowd too, so were you there the night that this happened?

Yes, I was.

I was in the office, I was in the office um closing up counting, you know, it was end of the night.

And then I was told somebody got shot, so we called the police immediately.

Sorry, I was looking through the report.

Um one of the concerns that exercises had was that some of the people involved were highly intoxicated.

Um that were involved.

Uh I don't think I I personally don't think they were that highly intoxicated, but um, yeah, according to what's in this, um, them reviewing the video of what was going on inside, they seem to be extremely um intoxicated, and then there was a conversation had with you where you say you didn't think anything was wrong with people being tipsy.

If I saw I don't recall saying it, but if I did was probably sad of wrong.

I didn't mean it that way.

It was probably meant a different way.

Um I probably didn't mean it like that.

I probably meant it like people come in and drink, but I didn't mean like they're okay to get intoxicated, but um, according to officers watching the video, the there's several of the patrons showed signs of intoxication.

What are the signs of intoxication?

Slurring words, okay, um, walking uh staggering, um taking forever to get money out.

They need to, eye contact.

Well, several of them were slurring for sure, were slurring their words, and then there was a female that fell off the stage.

No, she didn't fall off the stage.

She she got served two shots, and then she was it was like 15, 20 minutes after that.

She started showing signs of intoxication.

She stood up on top of the stage part.

She didn't fall at all.

We told her to get down, and then we we told them the that it's time to go.

It was closing time.

The report says that white shirt female and striped shirt female are observed standing on the stage dancing and throwing money.

White shirt female loses her balance and partially falls off the stage.

She and striped shirt female are then observed dancing with the entertainer.

The owner then tells them to get off the stage.

So she must not have fallen off all the way.

They just fell partially and got back up.

Well, I mean, they were also involved in the fight outside, and um IMPD was out there, uh, the ambulance were out there.

They were, I guess, allowed to drive off the lot, so I don't they apparently must have thought that they were okay.

Because the the female that was on the stage, she got into her vehicle and left a lot.

Just because someone gets into a vehicle and leaves doesn't mean they were intoxicated.

And at least at the time of the video, they were showing signs of intoxication, which you've been trained to identify.

Correct.

And the signs that are stated in the report are the same signs you just indicated to me, were signs of intoxication.

So you know what to look for.

Yes, ma'am.

I but I wasn't um in the I was in the back closing up, so it this was at the end of the night, I guess they were just I thought they were just while and out having fun trying to.