We'll call the uh Peterbo meeting with the order for October 24th.

Guess we'll start by introducing ourselves.

Kathy Gold.

Steve Adamine, President.

Brian Barton.

Kevin Robinson.

We have some guests.

Um speak today.

Can you stand up and raise your right hand?

If you're an attorney, you don't need to.

Oh god.

You swear to tell the truth, to whole truth, nothing but truth, so I help you God.

I do.

Okay.

Thank you.

Give me seated.

See?

Yes.

So go to two and three first.

And then fall.

So we got uh Rufus Jones.

Rufus Brown.

Brown, I'm sorry.

Page is 273 and 277.

It's really just 273.

And Robert Johnson's with.

Oh yeah.

Robert Johnson was in two.

Yes, he's two.

Oh they're not together.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Yeah.

Two services.

Oh, do you want to do minutes from last month?

Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

Sorry.

We need to do minutes from last month.

I'll make a motion to accept minutes from last month.

Second.

Seeing none all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Yes.

The eyes have it.

Sorry, Mr.

Johnson.

Mr.

Joe.

Brown, right?

I'm sorry.

Okay.

You're ready now.

Where do I go?

You stand right there, it's fine.

Okay.

Do I need this to take my hand off?

No, you're fine.

Okay.

I have a one-page handout.

You walk and come around and hand it out if you'd like.

Okay.

Actually, if I guys find it.

I think it's two people beyond Paul Jones.

Whoops.

It'd have been better if you had an eye you had to.

Whoops.

First error of the day.

That's all right.

Thank you.

I would have preferred Ohio State, but that's okay.

Wow.

It's a rough room already.

Ohio State.

Oh, well.

I really like how you have to do it.

Thanks.

Okay.

Do you need one?

Uh yeah.

Thank you.

And you.

Sure.

Thank you, sir.

Okay.

Um we are a uh very small uh operation.

We are.

I'm not said your name.

Can you just take it?

Oh, so I'm Rufus Brown recommending Stepholic Ministers Incorporated.

Okay.

Very small operation.

We're two blocks east of community hospital east.

We've been there since 2013.

All we do, and we're uh all we do is we help men who have substance abuse problems turn their lives around, and we've had a very high success rate.

We have enough for profit status because it allows us to be eligible for grants.

And am I and the reason we're filing late or appealing is because the ownership, which is me, wasn't aware of this process until just now.

Okay.

So it's on is it on for approval for 26?

Yes, I approved the 26 and then denied the 25 for filing.

Okay.

Here's a picture of the property.

Mr.

Chairman, I guess.

Yes.

Mr.

Brown is it um it looks apparently it's just in a residential area.

Is is people stay here or is it or in and out?

We have we have three bedrooms, so we have six people at any given time.

Okay, and we've been there since 2013.

We have assimilated to the neighborhood very well because the neighbors all take advantage of the guys living there to do the chores, cover grass, help with all kinds of things while they're looking for work to get back into society.

So how do you get your referrals to the courts or the courts, treatment centers, rehab centers?

We have a there's a network that these people the AIC from the city the justice center?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

What about your funding?

How do you maintain your it was started with my 401k?

I see that so but other than that, it's that once they get work, then they pay rents.

And uh we get a few donations here and there, but we're we're we're located.

You don't get any grants from the city or any assistance from anywhere else?

Well, we we probably could if we had a staff to do the grant right, but we're only staff of one, which is me.

You're the only person running everything?

It's my life's work.

Okay.

All right.

So you had it since 2013?

Yes.

And you haven't followed it.

It just transferred into his name April 19th of 23.

Because we had it, it was on a contract, and then we finally qualified for a mortgage.

Do you live in the residence?

I did, but I don't any more, and that's when I found out about this process.

I bought a condo close by, and then in the closing process, it came up about the property taxes and all the so how do you explain how the day to day is so you live somewhere else.

This property is available for people with disabilities and re-entry.

So you open up every day at a certain time or this open 24-7.

I'll live eight minutes away.

So who maintains it during the 24 hours if you're well available, but that one of the guys here is a senior resident.

Okay.

Yeah, and he he he'll he'll handle anything and then he'll call me if I need to come over.

So he stays there?

Yes.

Okay.

And we discount his rent.

What do you charge for rent?

It's 150 dollars a week.

Um, but nobody, all of our people that come in, nobody comes in with any money, so they have to find work and of course they all they all get behind.

But how many how many people are in the program right now?

Six.

Okay.

Is there a mortgage on the house?

Yes.

And my in your next.

Yes.

The problem is where it was filed on the phone date, right?

Pardon.

The phone date was when uh a year later.

Yes, so he will he filed September 9th of this year is when he filed.

Okay.

So it's up to the board to decide if you want to accept it the late filing.

For 24 pay with 25.

For 25 pay 26.

We're not looking at 24.

So this would start next year for him.

If it was granted, and 26 is on as approved.

He means it was time to filed.

Okay.

I'm gonna make a motion to deny the exemption due to late filing.

There's seconds to my vote.

Motion to accept it.

Are you asking for the ready one or better second it?

Well, no one's seconded it, so we're up to motion die.

Not a motion die, yeah.

I'll make a motion to accept for 25.

Delate filing.

Second.

It's been a move and second interference question.

See none, all pairs say aye.

Aye.

Against aye.

Thank you.

He got the exemption.

Thank you for your time.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh Robert Johnson for he's been in front of the work before, but Becky designed a 2023 application.

And she was sending emails to the wrong address, so he wasn't receiving them.

So he asked you to be opened by 2023.

This is page 274 year agenda.

This is Marley Johnson, right?

Okay.

I've got we would we wouldn't object to reopening the 2023 because it sounds like we had we had the right contact info and weren't using it.

You were using something else so 23's before I mean it's officially closed because he wasn't responding to emails, but he wasn't getting I wasn't getting them.

Right.

No, I I know.

Okay.

So he wasn't getting emails for 23 and 25 is hoping.

I just wouldn't allow him to come to see one song we had.

But you don't have a problem with 25, right?

Well we're kind of confused as to what he's doing with the property.

Okay.

So I know he does a food pantry a couple of times a month, but he lives there.

Yeah, we run an animal rescue and a food pantry, and also youth outfits for something.

Well, matter of fact, also is anybody in here that wants to adopt a dog, leave your name and your number and I'll I'll work that out with you.

I got three or thank you.

I'm always hustling dogs.

All right.

And then the blue there?

It's uh the the blue and this purple.

On the red, okay, so the house and the yard.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

So there are anything you want to add, sir.

Oh, we've been around since 2014.

We became official in 2016 as far as getting 501c3 status.

But uh we just been um our whole model is do for sell and not wait on someone else to help your community to do what we want as far as what we want to see the change in our community and stuff like that.

So uh we've been around, we've we've uh we've received a lot of support from the surrounding businesses like Walmart, uh Home Depot Flows, and uh I think Target and they've really helped us out with our programs, especially with our outreach programs for the joke.

You know, we uh we're a Christian-based uh nonprofit, so we advocate for uh chastity for that's one thing that we do push as far as uh with the kids that we deal with because we realize that there's a what do you call it?

A pipeline from uh single mother homes to the prison system, and that's what we wanted to change, and one thing that's missing is the father, and we believe in a nuclear family, so we really push what family staying together and you know for the betterment of the community.

And also we have programs with Ivy Tech where we uh transition kids that are going in the wrong direction into programs to uh get their CDLs or you know, go into the skill trades.

Didn't he was here in 2023, or it went to the board in 2023 for 2022.

Did at one point you have a class like you were doing for a while.

Oh, you're talking about a net zero project.

Net zero.

Yeah, net zero because it's on our website.

We have a project that we have for the future as far environment and stuff like the environmental change and stuff with housing and how you build houses through ICF and making it more efficient because in Indiana a lot of houses are built with uh what do you call it?

Stick old, you know, stick frame homes, and they're not efficient enough.

But that's that's not our charity part, that's our uh environmental part parts that we do.

So our main thing that we do is the animal rescue, the food pantry, and the youth outreach programs.

Okay, Mr.

Jim.

Yes.

So all right, that appreciate your uh testimony there.

Um what's staff's problem with the uh property?

He lives there.

He's also receiving a homestead deduction.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I uh yeah, we are because we're a grassroot organization, so we're trying to transition out of that, and I have no problem with switching the uh house's name completely into the charity thing and doing that and doing you know, just having a completely new charity book.

Our plan is to knock down that and build a new facility anyway in the future.

That's what the net zero uh built.

Yes, he does have a homestead.

So they got a homestead.

So you can't have a homestead post-exemption, right?

Correct.

Yeah, we're getting rid of the homestead if that's well.

I mean, yeah, it wouldn't and we have the property uh under contract with the charity, so that seems to be not to speak for you, but that seems to be an easy thing to change.

But uh the living there is what's well I'm there because the animal rescue he's running the the shelter, the animal shelter all day, so that's why he's but he can live there, right?

Yeah, okay.

That's so that's not an issue.

So where's the I'm trying to I see the house?

Where's the animal shelter?

Oh, they're there.

We we only uh run about four dogs at a time.

We have the kennels inside in those bedrooms, and they use the outside as a recreation.

And how do you get the animals?

Oh, through uh we work for the IECS and then other animal rescues.

What is I see us?

IACS is an Indianapolis animal uh uh services for the American control.

Oh animal control, basically we're part of the uh foster system.

So do they they provide finances for you to take care of the dogs?

No, we get a lot of donations from Walmart.

What's the other one?

Uncle Bob's uh pet store and you know they they give us dog food and stuff like that to take care of so how much of the house are you utilizing?

If there's four dogs, four bedrooms, how many bedrooms in the house?

Well, it's it's like uh what is it?

Three bedrooms, and uh two of them are uh office, and then the other one is the kennel, and then in the living room, they're kennels.

And you use the land as for the dogs basically.

No, so we're we're right now we're constructing a uh what do you call it enclosed garden space right in the back for the because the kids were having a hard time coming out to the garden uh plots out on the east side, so it's just easier to have it on site.

And how does it so you do the dog care you also can I interrupt for just a moment?

Yeah, no.

We need you to stand behind the rail so that the microphones can pick you up for their nine.

Oh, I didn't know it was sorry.

So only thing you use the property for is for the the animals, correct?

The animals and the food pen and the food pen.

Yes.

So people come to the pantry how many times a week twice a week.

Oh, we get about we have like three or four families that are regulars, and then we have like you know, just random people that come every like other month where they come in and get some stuff.

Okay, and you said you do something with Ivy Tech?

Yeah, we do something Ivy Tech as far as kids that want to go into the skill trade classes and show interest in it.

We put them, you know, we direct them to the right agencies and get them hooked up or they can sign up for classes.

Oh, so you just send them to Ivy Tech.

Right, but we were starting to program with Ivy Tech.

We're getting a program with Ivy Tech in the process of doing that.

So this is for 25, table 26.

Well, for 23 obviously.

23.

And forget 25.

Then what about 24?

Well, if we get 23, it'll go.

It will go 23, 24, okay.

So Colleen, is there would we want would we want to have I do have a little bit of a question because it appears that we've had a homestead on the whole property.

You probably need to step out.

Sorry.

Identify yourself.

This uh so it appears we've had a homestead on the whole property, but from what you're saying, it doesn't sound like you're living in the entire property.

Uh I mean I'm in one bedroom of the property.

That's it.

Yeah, so that the homestead typically in that case we would pull out the the one bedroom and the kitchen, probably, and then the the rest of the house shouldn't have a homestead deduction and shouldn't have but now I have a question.

So explain this clear so we understand.

So if you have a bedroom, kitchen one bedroom.

Is there a living room?

Yes, a living room that has kennels and stuff in and in the dogs.

So you have kennels in the live in the living room, like yeah, one or two, and then we have like three or four in the back.

So do you use the home at all for your own personal entertainment?

Nothing.

No, no family, nothing.

Yes, an homestead come off then.

Okay.

But you only keep four dogs at a time.

Yeah, four at a time.

And how long do you keep them for?

Oh, it's like maybe a month or so.

I'm constantly getting people to, you know, you just saw getting people to get dogs from us.

That's one of the hardest things about the animal rescue.

But it helps out their house.

So we get some exemption, no use getting homestead credit, right?

Sorry.

If you get the homestead, I mean if it gets to exemption, I don't know, no reason to have a homestead.

Well, no, yeah, that would be like now, knowing what I know, I'm gonna have to go back and take it off.

That can't be there.

Right.

But you're not going back to 23 and taking it off, are you?

Are you just moving forward with?

No, I would I would ineligible bill at this point.

Yeah.

What does that mean?

I would send a bill for the previous years.

Okay.

For having the deduction.

Yeah.

Did you file on time?

For 23?

Yes.

So just a matter of basically got the wrong email, right?

Correct.

So why would you need to go back if he doesn't he doesn't have the exemption now, right?

No.

Well, he's got the homestead now, yeah.

The homestead, but not the property exemption.

Right, but he from from what we just learned, the home hasn't really been being used as a homestead.

So he's not allowed to have it.

I mean, I'm the right.

So worse, I mean, the most we could do is maybe carve out like the bedroom, but he's asked for exemption for 2023 payable 24.

Right, so that's up to y'all, but I would have to ineligible bill now now.

The whole home was not used as a homestead property.

Back to 23 payable 24.

But if it was exempt, it wouldn't matter.

Yeah.

But the board drained the exemption back to 23, her billing back will not happen.

Yeah, it won't happen because I'm trying to catch a bill.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh.

Has anyone been out to the property?

Just to no.

Mr.

Mag what I don't know who to ask.

Did does he meet all the exemptions and all that uh not-for profit as that thing all checked out?

I hearing what I'm hearing, like I I don't know.

I mean, we it's we have a 501c.

He's a 501 C through.

Yeah, I mean it's he's a nonprofit, but the question comes down to how much of the property is being used um all the time.

Like the Ivy Tech class that he speaks of isn't really a class that he's offering as a nonprofit.

He's just directing people to go there.

So I don't think that would qualify for an exemption if you're just a let me send you to this place, not here type.

It's just for the community, I get it, but um we have a guy that we we have a guy that we work with directly from Ivy Tech.

Right, but you don't offer the classes.

Yeah, we don't offer we offer like skill trade entry classes to see what kids you know want to go into skill trade.

But it has dog rescue and a food pantry though, right?

Yes, he does have those two, yes.

So the food pantry is just twice a month.

Current.

Correct.

And I looked at his website from his thing.

I it looks like there's uh do you have a garden on the property or something?

Yes, we're right now we're putting the new uh garden plot in the back.

And how many people come to your gardening class?

Oh, it's it can get hard well, harvest day it's like parents and stuff, so it can get up to like 50, but usually it's 25 at the most.

What do these 25 people do?

Oh, we uh have the classes, we uh plant and do that, and then we have uh what do you call it?

Spring hard um harvest in October and then spring we have our uh classes because in the summer we realize a lot of kids don't want to come out there and work out in the midday hot sun.

So we don't even do anything during the middle of the summer, but we also have uh uh what do you call it, the food pantry?

And uh but if it's a class to teach them about farming or eat not not necessarily farming, but but gardening that's part of gardening.

You have to go out in the hot sun, whether they like it or they don't.

So kind of saying, yeah, well, it's okay if you don't want to work, that's all right.

No, no, we we get done with the major part of like getting the you know the crops in the ground, but then as far as like they don't want to come outside, you know, they don't want to come back every day.

They don't want to come out there every you know, we and just look at a plant grow.

But don't they have to weed or take care of the city?

Yeah, they do that, they do that.

That's all in the very beginning, but we put down landscaping fabric that stops the weeds and stuff, and it's you know it's what do you do with like do you charge for the class?

No, we don't charge for the money.

We have adoption fees for the dog.

Right.

That's optional.

Uh oh, the adoption fees optional.

Yeah, that's optional.

Okay.

Um, so you just give dogs away.

Yeah, after we have them house trained and tempered and all that.

I just want to go take a dog.

I don't need a dog, but um what about them for the the garden?

Um, like the people that plant it, do they come in and who gets what you're gardening?

Do you use is it just you or do they can they come in and get it for their house, or does it go to your food pantry?

It goes to the food pantry and it goes to the people that want to take it.

You you also mentioned that you had some other um skill trainings like the CDLs and some other things.

How is how do you operate that?

Are you the one giving the classes?

Or there it's like an IV tech where you just fix them up.

No, on our board, we have like uh three of our board members are like contractors, so when they have like open classes or they want to uh build something, they invite some of the kids that want to see how to do stuff out to check it out, and then from those kids that want to you know pursue that, we push them into Ivy Tech and get them enrolled in class.

And if they're older, and let's say we're dealing with a kid that has a felony, I can't get a job, and then you know we let them know about get a CDL, you'll be able to get enough money to you know take care of your family and stuff like that.

So I'm gonna yield to uh Mr.

Robertson that was gonna make a motion.

I'll make a motion that we approve the exemption, but he doesn't get the uh homestead.

What years?

Are you going back to 23?

23, 24.

Okay.

Second.

It's been moved secondary for discussion.

CNN armed chair say aye.

Aye.

Against have it.

Thank you.

All right, I appreciate it.

God bless you to all.

Um Colin, do you have some are you thinking?

Or not?

Okay.

Paul Jones.

Yeah, you're good.

Show uh send you a notice showing that it's exempt.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Uh gave them all.

Oh, okay.

Paul, are you giving are you giving away dogs too, Paul?

Not today.

Um good morning, Paul Jones, on behalf of community action of Greater Indianapolis.

Um not familiar with me, Action of Greater Indianapolis.

KG is a nonprofit organization, 501c3 that's been operating for decades in the Indianapolis area, uh relieving um poverty, uh education training programs, energy assistance, transitional housing.

The property at issue uh is 3266 North Meridian.

It is a 10-story office building that KG acquired uh toward the end of 2024 for their nonprofit office headquarters as well as some other um services that they have uh established at the building.

Um we've applied for exemption for 2025 pay 2026.

Um and our position is that the the office building is being used, uh owned operite, owned operated, uh occupied and used for charitable purposes, um given uh KG's uh nonprofit charitable purpose.

Uh there are um other uh occupants of the building as well.

Uh KG occupies currently about 38,000 square feet uh the out of the total 104,000 square feet.

Um there's also an educational tenant called Harden Education, uh and then a pregnancy center, um, and then uh there is some vacant space, and then uh 5,300 square feet that's occupied by uh a private uh doctor's office.

So on our application, we uh requested a 95.78% exemption uh for 25 pay 26 based on uh the fact that obviously the the for-profit space to the doctor uh we're not requesting exemption on that, uh but because uh KG owns uh the entire office building, occupies you know about 40 percent of it, uh, and then is leasing to other nonprofit tenants uh that we would uh request a 96 uh percent exemption for uh 25 pay 26.

And I have representatives of uh KG if there are questions about KG.

I think they're pretty well known in the community, but we can talk more about them and their services if you like.

So it says 10 stories.

That's a 10-story building, yes.

How many stories are used?

Three first, second, third, uh nine floor and lower level.

Okay, the first, second, third, and then the ninth floor uh okay, ninth floor is a health and wellness center.

Okay, and you also have an appeal for uh so we have the request for exemption uh for 25 pay 26, and then we have an assessment appeal for 24 page 25.

25 payable 26 exemption final time, yes.

Yes, okay.

Go ahead.

Uh I have a question.

What is the uh collected rent for the building?

So that might be in your packet with the appeal portion.

Yes, very good.

Yeah, um page two of that packet.

Um we do show the income from the property.

Um yeah, Kristen's got that.

Um we gave them film okay.

Sorry, I didn't know we're gonna have properties.

I tried to just have them all done.

No, so what's we did?

That's the library.

Let's see if you're going through all the businesses.

Okay.

It's 35,283.

35,000 a month.

288.

35,288 a month.

So 423 and 423,456 a year in rent, is what they're getting.

So how is that calculated into what they're getting off the building versus what they're trying to not pay taxes on?

Well, the the building's currently assessed at about two and a half million dollars.

Um our view is that the property is worth uh we've requested a value of 800,000.

Uh when they bought it in October of 24, purchase price of about 57,000 dollars for the uh acquisition price, and then in the packet, you'll see they've got anywhere from two to six million dollars in improvements with the property needs.

It's in um it's in pretty poor condition.

Um they need to upgrade elevators, electrical upgrades.

Um you'll see the list of things there.

They need to demolish the parking garage.

There's a lot of improvements that need to be made.

So the the position is that as of 124, the property is only worth about $800,000.

Once it's been renovated and upgraded and all of that, and then once it's fully leased, uh, we would expect that value to go up, but as of $124, uh, we're requesting a value of $800,000.

So is there is there any money that they get for maintenance and for the building?

Is there how do they get that running?

Sure.

Running operating money because what are we doing with the $453,000 that you're collecting a year?

That goes toward that goes towards building maintenance.

You come up here, sir.

Uh Edwin Watson, uh, I'm the property manager, triple E property management.

Uh so all the funds that are being collected today are going towards maintaining the building.

As you mentioned, the building is in a uh poor condition.

So uh obviously with the electrical, all of that needs to be upgraded, so they're averaging close to 15, 16,000 a month alone and just electrical expenses, and that's at 30 percent occupy.

You mean you mean that you mean that the power bill?

Yeah, the 16 grand a month, yeah.

Mr.

Chairman, yes, right.

What uh what's staff's recommendation?

Staff um believes that um only the office building should receive so on this parcel is um sorry, let me get the aerial here, is an office building plus a parking garage.

The parking garage is not being used whatsoever, so we don't believe the parking garage should have an exemption.

Um staff did go out to the property, uh Ashley and myself and um Gabrielle Lewis based off of our calculations of who's exempt in there, we say 40% of the office building is entitled to an exemption.

That's the basement, the first floor, um second and third floor.

Um but not the garage, not the garage.

The garage isn't even being used, it's it's blocked off.

Is it not being used for safety reasons or correct has to be is that on you or is the city said not to use it?

Um the city, so it has it has it need it's in need of repair, so we we block it also won't be used.

How long they own the building?

I'm sorry.

How long are they owned the building?

Uh it was interesting if I'm the director of finance.

We purchased it in October of 2024.

Well, so you just bought it.

Yes.

So none of this all this stuff just came up now, or did you know when you bought it?

I had all these issues.

We when we bought it.

You knew when you bought it.

Yeah, part of part of Cage's purpose in the community is community development, economic development, combating blight.

This is a property that would be an eyesore and basically the city's problem if it wasn't acquired.

I think prior to their acquisition it was sold at sheriff's sale.

Yes.

So this is a part of their mission is you know combating some of the deterioration in the community.

And that's part of the purpose of them owning this building.

The problem I have is their purpose is not to is to help the community.

Well, what I got a problem with is buying a building for how much did you pay for it?

574.

Why would I mean I'm just asking?

You bought a building, but mate, basically you're a landlord who bought a building for that much money that needed a lot of work.

It puts you in a bad situation as far as being able to help the community.

We receive funds from IU Health to purchase the building.

And we we ex we are expanding our purpose to health and wellness, and we have a health and wellness hub that we develop on the ninth floor, and we plan to continue inviting other non-for-profits, not for private health and wellness to come into the building.

And we would like to we we invite the community in uh weekly for events for health wellness.

We have yoga weekly yoga classes in the basement.

We have uh transitional housing uh that we have with uh drug former drug users who come to classes in our lower level and on our third floor.

So we purchased the building so that we could help the community.

What's the plan on fixing all this stuff?

What's the time frame?

So we have a plan to fix the HVAC on the first, the lower level third within the next six months.

We have some funding.

We're working with IFF to receive some funding for uh some of the HVAC issues.

We also have a plan to demolish the garage so that we can determine if we what we want to do with that.

We need more parking if we're gonna have more tenants, so we need to knock the garage down.

It's not eyesore, and also we have homeless people living in there that we would like to, you know, it's it's it's safety related.

We want to get that building that spot down.

So those are our main concerns.

We have a leak that we are currently working on.

The elevator, everyone would know more about than I would.

But we have three elevators, two of them work, they work well, but we want to get the third one working within the next year.

So we do have a plan.

We do the profits from the from the tenants go back into the building, and we are working to get the building in order so that we can have the kind of tenants that will help out the community and get you know more people into the building who want to have benefits and who need help.

We had a program that was for uh homeless and uh those people in need of housing, but that grant went away recently.

We had a we have a pantry in there that we service people every day.

We give them food every day.

So what's the time frame on all the repairs?

We want to get this taken care of within a year.

The whole all of it.

That's our plan.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Um the testimony is the city condemned the garage, so wouldn't that allow that to be exempt if it's unusable?

No, no, if it's condemned.

No, it has to be unoccupied and used.

It has to be used for the exemption, exempt purpose.

If it's not being used, you're just sitting there, and it's not a future building site.

Um the garage itself has uh 35.

We've given it a 35% obsolescence on it, and it's got a negative almost negative 490, 490,000 off of the garage already.

Um then you you said you guys are recommending 40 percent, Mr.

Jones is asking for what?

96.

Okay.

Who did you buy it from?

Um I'm not sure we bought it from, but the former property manager was JL.

So it's sold in the sheriff's sale 10 months prior to them buying it for 1.1 million dollars, and then they bought it for 577 less than a year away.

And I don't usually see it go that way.

Yeah, right.

Um I'm not sure sometimes.

From our visit, I wasn't aware that classes were being held down in the basement.

Yeah right and I'm not sure sometimes from our visit I wasn't aware that classes were being held down in the basement um it didn't look like the basement was being used really at all I think at one point there was a break room in there or something but I I never saw anywhere where like yoga classes were being held or other classes I was present with you we didn't go into the space I invited you to go into the space so when you get off the elevator the space right in front of you is what I'm talking about and we had a weekly yoga classes and also the transitional housing classes hold there where we went into where the utility room right and there was a break room behind right but right in front of you when it get off the elevator that we have actually repainted re-floored that in the last six months I saw that we didn't go in that yeah it was remodeled out because it was remodeled how many people are the whole base but that's just a small portion of the right but we are yeah we are saying that the whole basement would get the exemption okay I have a question so I'm curious like the people that you helped what's the I mean was there data on that like are you offering rent assistance food assistance I mean is it how many people come through there and actually do you actually help and what actually do you do I know a little bit about cage but I'm just trying to I know a lot of things have changed because of funding so what actually are you doing to help people in the community besides the building so we have a weekend program where we have those formerly incarcerated and they come in every week they're required to come into the building at least two times a week they have to gather on Friday for classes we we had uh off site welding classes we teach them uh customer service classes uh we teach them how to uh look for jobs how we encourage them to look for jobs we have uh home buyers seminars that we have uh we have cohorts for the last six weeks I believe and they come in once a week and get uh training from banks we bring in speakers to teach them how to own a home what to do with their credit we just graduated two cohorts earlier this week we also have our uh pantry is open my uh Tuesday and Thursday for six hours a day and we have people who come in just to get food we also tell people about other services within the community if we can't help them like I said the the helping with the home and the their rent that program went away just recently September 30th it ended but we had people who were helping with their rent giving them two months worth of rent so they can get on their feet that ended we also have uh a program where if you come to us and you don't have gas we have gas cards so we'll give you a gas card so we do those kind of programs and it's constant people are in there every day right thank you Mr.

Chairman uh missing just put words in your own mouth but you guys had 40 they're asking for 96 you guys feel good that there's no other wiggle room or anything to move the needle you feel good with the assessment oh with the assessment well I mean but the exact where we're at here at this at the 40 to 96.

They did agree to 50% Kristen wasn't that well that's what Becky recommended before she retired.

Pardon me before Becky required between them and making they had agreed to it 50% exemption okay to the ninth floor no I don't think we did the ninth floor we just went and saw vacant spaces and who uses the ninth room it's their health center well the ninth floor is used and we have a podcast room I remember it stuff now we have a podcast room where we make it available to all tenants in the room in the in the building to if they want to have a podcast we have a a person there who's learning a skill to do podcasts we have that available for any tenant in the building we also have meeting space where people can come in to hold meetings from outside the community and and they have meetings we have a person who came in for a couple weeks that we're teaching CPR classes to people on the ninth floor.

The health hub has only been in operation for about six months but it's starting to build we're starting to get more use out of that on the ninth floor is that all free yes for the tenants or for it's free for the tenants and if you need to come into our space we we talked to you what are you going to discuss if we find it meets our our mission we'll give you we'll let you have that space for free we had we had someone in there over the weekend who had a it was an AKA event we did not charge them they came we spoke with them and we they had an event there we have two questions here exemption plus the ass value right so if you want to start with the exempt I mean we're doing the exemption now and staff would be okay if if I add in the ninth floor it comes out to 48% so 50% would be fine with staff.

Chairman I'll make a motion to grant the grant this property a 50 percent exemption we have a second second then move secondary first question seeing none all in favor say aye aye against the eyes have it now we're talking about the assessed value and the assessed value is for 24 pay 25 uh the 24 value is 2 million two hundred and forty seven thousand um originally and we offered them um one million four hundred oh seven three hundred which is roughly thirteen dollars a square foot which is being based off the sales I provided um cells in that in the area and for office buildings are going um anywhere between thirty five a square foot to sixty a square foot so we're offering a value already below the sales price um that's with giving uh roughly 50 percent obsolescence on the building the parking garage already has a lot of adjustments on it um I I don't see where well one we wouldn't use the one point one million dollar cell because it's a sheriff sell so that we don't use those um I I don't know what would so you bought you bought it through the share sale no the previous owner did the the prior owner bought a share sale for 1.1 and about a year later KG acquired it for 577 thousand was it previous owner to previous owner before it's share sale uh no uh previous yeah it was uh different nay it's a different entity I don't know sometimes we have sometimes when we have sheriff sale basically just shows for whatever's owed on her right and it's off the the sheriff sells it and usually it's the bank or whoever was there a mortgage on the building no it was paid for it yes I'm sorry go ahead Miss C so you asked one point four and they're asking how much we were asking 800 thousand we recognize the there's I mean it's a distress sale obviously um as Mr.

Dean said I mean it typically goes the other way some somebody bought it at share sale for 1.1 probably trying to flip it and then the most they could get was five hundred and seventy seven thousand so um I I mean in our view that's probably the closest to the value but we understand we're renovating it we've got an occupant we have a couple of tenants um so that's where we came up with the 8000 which is also supported by a few other sales that are in that packet um there are some sales of buildings that were built in 1960s and um have similar issues to this property are more in the you know six to twelve dollars a square foot range I I think the comps from the assessor's office are more for properties are those properties are been renovated they're fully leased they're um you know much newer uh they're built you know 2000s not 1960s uh with all the issues that we have so thanks Mr.

Chair what what are the what is the um parking garage structure assess after our adjustments are applied um it is hundred and fifty thousand so that's with the adjustments that we apply I mean going back to Mr.

Barden's question I think those lines of communication will cross and maybe it doesn't apply for an exemption but I think being a condemned structure it should drastically reduce that value of that structure right but our overall value was the one 1.4 million oh I'm with you I'm just looking at right 650 for just that right condemned garage structure is it repairable or is it a tear down question when you when you purchased the building was it appraised or was there anything done and how do you know to pay that that kind of money so we had we had a couple of people come in and look at the building and tell us what they thought of it and what they thought the value was and then it was basically uh auction well and so we we outbid whoever else was bidding okay and you had a parcel is a parking lot I don't have a problem with that one or is that I it I believe you're asking for both we're gonna be the total assessed value between both to be 800 thousand I mean ideally yes but that's a smaller parcel.

I mean ideally, yes, but that's a smaller parcel.

I mean if it stays, I think it's like 250,000 or something.

I mean, if if we have the building knocked down to 800,000 and the I don't I don't have the assessment from you.

I think it's 200 and something.

Um assessed values two.

Oh, the on that one.

Let's see what mean it's I think it's 250 or 270 something, uh well that's 20.

So 77, 300.

Right.

So 277, and so if the other if the main parcel with the building was at 800,000, or were it you know a million seventy-seven total?

I think that's what is the exemption on that.

There's an exemption on that right now for 14 percent on the parking lot because of I think it was a prior exemption.

Yeah, it was uh from 2019 because there were state agencies in there at that time, and so it hasn't fallen off from that.

Jeez, I know probably should have right.

Yes, okay.

Um I know you had some uh estimates in here to have things repaired, and I haven't looked all the way through.

Is there anything do you have a cost on what it's gonna take to demolish that build the garage to get that all removed?

So what we have is uh two we had an assessment by IFF and we had another uh actual person come in.

So the costs are somewhere around we had a uh three hundred and eighty thousand dollar quote from one company that's been since we bought the building.

I don't know if it still holds, and then IFF had a million dollar quote to demolish it.

So I think it's million a million one to buy this, but our first quote was we got that quote in November of 2024 for the 300 eight that it is now.

And that's just to demolish it, not to not to rebuild it or rehab it or anything.

Just to demolish remove make it flat with rock.

Any other questions?

Just I'm sorry, Ms.

Chairman.

One more.

Uh the 1.4 that includes the parking garage.

It does.

And in layman's terms, what did you do with the garage to make that would give basically um most all the garage would be cut down because of it being condemned?

Um so I was just looking around at the numbers.

The garage would go down to about 127,000, and then the rest would be part of that 1.4 is part of that 1.4.

Okay.

And then the rest is in the office building, and that's what the office building getting 50% obsolescence on the property.

Okay.

All right.

If the parking garage isn't usable, why wouldn't that money just fall off?

Because the structure is still there, so we have to assess what's there.

Even though they can't use it.

We have to assess it so it's there.

That's why we that's why it's a 90% off of it.

It's it was already in very poor condition.

Um and then so we still gotta assess it some for something.

Okay, Mr.

Chairman.

I want to make a motion to accept staff's recommendation on the property value.

Okay.

1.4.

Yes.

That includes both parcels.

Yes.

Does it it it only included the office building?

I didn't include, I I don't have a problem, I guess if he wants to include both of those, but mine was just for the office and the uh parking garage parcel.

Or one parcel.

That's my recommended uh motion, Mr.

Chairman.

Or one parcel.

Yes.

Parcel 105-6040.

Yes.

Okay.

I'll segment that.

Seeing none all favor say aye.

I against the ayes have it.

Do we need a motion on that or parcel two?

Yes.

Um I think it's on the agendas.

Oh, it's uh one and one.

1105147.

Um the parking lot at 277, right?

Yeah.

Um that we didn't have anything on it.

Um it's mostly land and approvements, or it's it's mostly the land that's on there.

Do you have any on that Paul or you just overall?

We we can combine them.

Our 800,000 requests for both parcels.

So I'll make a motion to the 277,300.

Sorry, you that's that's the right year.

You want it's still the same, I guess.

So 2773, yeah.

Second.

Brian seconded it.

Then no change it.

Any further discussion?

Seeing none, all fair say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Against the ayes have it.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Um Xander.

Yes.

Uh 265, Arsenal 101, 2658.

Excuse me.

You want to say it's your name, sir?

Oh, yes, good morning.

My name is Kenneth Alexander.

Okay.

Is this exemption?

Yes.

Okay.

Um so he requested a 100% exemption because he is leasing to educational destination that provides short-term housing for homeless veterans.

And he is claiming to also teach classes.

So when I originally asked as to what was going on there, he informed me that he was going to start doing these things, which I said, well, you wouldn't qualify if you're not doing those.

He then said that he was.

Um I'm just not clear as to what it is that he's doing.

Okay.

I don't know if it's online classes, in person classes.

I went to the website.

When you go there, you can't register for classes.

When you hit contact us, the phone number is 123456, 7890.

So I don't know exactly what he's doing.

Okay.

Um, I believe he also lives at the property.

Um as well, and it's also um the homestead deduction too, correct?

Yes.

Okay.

Do you want to state your name and yes?

My name is Kenneth Alexander.

I purchased the property at 3349 College in 2018.

It's uh five bedroom, five foot bath, and I maintain 25% of the property, and I lease uh the rest of it to educational destination, and I have leased it for the last uh seven or eight years.

She informed me last year that she wanted to leave because uh it's too expensive.

The rent is on her part, she runs a program.

Uh give me a little, I'll give you a little background about myself.

I am the uh director of training of workforce incorporated.

I've been training for over 25 years in technical skills training.

I train her homeless veterans, and I also work as an adjunct constructor at Ivy Tech, and I've been doing uh the uh training at work for uh recycled force for the last 17 years.

So when she said that she wanted to vacate, I applied for uh 501c3 and uh registered the technical training skills center.

I don't have a copy of where we're gonna have, and it's a work in progress, and I'm looking to convert it all to technical training skills center, uh, because that's my background, and I've been doing training for her, but she can longer can afford the place.

So I am uh I talked to Mr.

Ashley about it.

I filled out the application, everything on the application explains exactly uh that uh uh she's on a month to month from May and and now is currently leaving by the end of November.

So I wanted to take over as uh as a technical training skills center 24-7 digital training.

I've been providing digital training there as well, and when she had clients that need to be trained, I'll come in from and do the trading.

Or uh she'll she'll schedule a group and I'll come in and do training.

So that's the reason why I wanted to become tax exempt, even though she had been there as a 5113 for the last seven years, uh, because I own the property and I paid the taxes and I uh still occupy 25% of the property, but now that she's leaving, I gotta do something with it.

So five bedroom and it was a boarding house when I bought the property, so it'd be a good transition as a 501c3 to continue the residents to stay there along with me and also do the training.

Okay.

I wasn't clear as to what he was doing with the property in regards to what for technical skills center.

He just was going back and forth.

This first time he filed.

Oh yes, this is the first time.

When I knew that she was bought on time.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh, and he does have the homestead.

Full homestead.

Full homestead.

And he just stated that he only occupies 25% of the home.

Therefore, if the auditor would take that back and make changes.

Are you offering the classes right now?

Yes, ma'am.

How long are you holding person?

Both.

And in person they would come into the home and yes.

How often do you hold the classes there?

It may be once a month.

It has a rolling enrollment process.

It's the same that I have at uh at uh recycle force.

They'll enroll if I have enough on the class and then I'll class.

And it's about 12-week classes.

They can do it online.

Uh HVAC EPA 608 has Whopper 40 hours.

All those are online courses that come here.

I do a you know, we do 80% of the has warper must be on be online and 20% in the field.

So the whole ideal is to transition those that are homeless or veterans from transitional housing into employment.

So once they complete the training, they go into some type of employment or higher education.

Everybody doesn't make it uh to employment for some transition out.

Where do they apply for classes?

Uh they can apply online or they can apply uh in my office.

Do you do you teach the classes personally?

I do.

Okay.

And what would it what exactly does technical training class mean?

Like what what are they being trained to do?

Well, there's HB EPA 608, those who want to go into the HBAC industry, they gotta have EPA 608, and that is a self-study course.

I go in, I set up orientation, I do uh training on uh Wednesdays and Friday evenings.

And they're issued a certification in the completion of those courses?

Yes, that is through no, no, that is through EPA.

Okay.

I got third party um vendors do the online courses.

So like the Has Whopper Safety Unlimited, the uh EPA is VGI, so I have online vendors once I get them set up, complete the application, and if they acquire if they apply if they qualify for some training hours, that is through Department of Workforce and Development.

So the the state issues the certification, but you offer the classes that are mandated by the state to complete like that.

Well, some of them are state, some of them are state through DWD, those are state, such as HasWhopper, uh, and uh uh HVAC EPA 608.

That's through the state.

So I guess on completion of your training, the part that you do, what is issued to the uh student.

It's called industry recognized credential.

Okay, so they get some kind of uh class completion certificate from you that allows them to take a test or move on to a state certification, yes.

It's it's not directly from me, but it's through our training.

Okay, but it's linked to a third-party vendor.

Do they pay for the classes?

Uh if they qualify, if they qualify for funding through DWD, we'll we'll submit it up, you know, submit a voucher to them for their training.

Most of them do uh qualify because it's what's your success rate, or do you have a success story on like how many people have completed that and then received that?

Well, that's a great question.

Is because uh she count the numbers of those that complete the certification and get housing uh after their transition.

My background is at recycle force where uh technical trainings.

Yeah, my background is is has different matrix, which I have a success rate.

Uh and this is just personally from recycle force.

There is we reduce recidivism.

We we serve ex offenders coming out of prison, and we provide jobs for them.

So that matrix is a little different because this is something that just started.

I applied for in 2024, and it's just started because she's leaving and I don't want to have all that space, so I'm converted over.

So those numbers will be very low from technical training skills centered.

Well, how many?

Zero or less.

Zero or ten.

Ten.

So you have ten.

Yeah, about ten, ten to fifteen.

That are not associated with recycle force, right?

Correct.

That's just what your success rate for operating this out of this home.

Correct.

Ryan.

Yeah, mr.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh this is either for staff or maybe even city legal.

It's not lost on me on some of these that we've been dealing with.

We've had two today.

These uh not-for-profits are basically in neighborhoods.

And so the question I have is is there a zoning issue here?

To take a residential house and then do something different in that area.

I think there could be uh well it's been it's been but hang on, just I'm sorry, hang on.

I mean the zoning violations, I'm not a zoning expert, but I mean it's for in terms of parking, if the things you know go overnight, you have to be zoned for parking overnight.

And the reason I asked that is if there's a zoning issue, then the thing couldn't exist anyway.

You see what I'm saying?

Is it's a chicken and egg thing.

If there isn't a zoning issue, then you can't have a not-for-profit in a residential area until you clear the zoning.

Well you see where I'm going with that?

Yeah, all right, yeah, I agree.

And I don't know where you sign up for classes online on his website, because it says go to courses and it brings you here, but you can't click on anything.

So I don't know where they're going for online courses.

Um let's ask him.

Right, I just he just said you can apply online.

He did.

He said you can apply online.

Why can't we get it?

Well, let me let me back up on that.

Wait a minute, ask why can't we get it?

Well, no, I'm sorry, to say they can call me.

There's a telephone number, they call me, they come into the office, and you can on application.

That website is being replaced as I speak, and it's got a link to it uh that where they can do it all live.

So uh that particular website, they can't do the application of they can come to my office, call the 800 number, the eight eighty eight number, and we'll set up a time to come to the resident and do the application, or they come to my office.

So they have to set up an appointment because you work too, right?

Yes, I did, and they come to my office.

So they come to your office?

Yeah, at work.

Yeah.

Where?

At uh 816 Sherman Gride.

So you have an office there, and I have all and you have an office at college?

Yes.

Why is that?

Because that's my home.

And I'm just saying I but you're running a program out of your home, right?

Well, one of the programs.

At least at least 75% of the property to educational destination to run the program.

We have a resident manager there as well.

And so uh whenever she has clients and they want to get some additional training because that's part of her program, then I would uh train this.

But when I asked earlier how often you have classes there, you said once a month, but then later you came in and said when they asked how the kids come in or whatever, and you said you meet with them on Wednesdays and Fridays.

So I'm confused as to is it once a month it's being used?

Is it every Wednesday Friday?

That's some of the confusion we're getting as staff as to is it really being used or not?

Because you guys need more time to look at this or I don't believe it it is entitled to an exemption based off of what we're seeing.

So the company you have leasing right now is about to be out of there, and then you're kind of taking it over on your own, the same type of services?

Is that yes, yes.

What is she doing now?

So you're kind of in transition right now.

I'm in transition.

So she was doing it.

She was doing the same thing you're doing.

Different services.

She's providing classes.

He the company that he's leasing to provide short-term housing for veterans.

So he won't be doing that.

He'll from my understanding, he'll just be teaching classes.

So the company you were renting to provide short-term housing for veterans, which is in the exact same house that you live in.

Correct.

It's about 4,000 square feet, five five bedrooms, five full bathrooms, full basement, and I have uh 25% of it.

I have the I have the full bathroom, I mean four bedroom, and the garage.

And she has the rest of it as the program.

She will be well if you live there and you only have a bedroom and a garage.

What about your plumbing facilities?

Any bathrooms, the kitchens, who who has who is that?

It's five bathrooms.

Five full bathrooms.

I welcome you to come over.

I see it the transition in operation.

I have five full bathrooms.

So what are you asking?

Well, you just said that you have the one bedroom and the garage.

In each bedroom upstairs is a full bath.

Okay.

Then who has control of the kitchens, the living rooms, any of that?

That's community space.

So that wouldn't really qualify for home side exemption.

Sure.

We haven't been to this.

No.

No.

I mean, from the sounds of it.

Currently, with the company he's leasing to, it's probably qualified, right?

Right, for a partial, he requested 100%.

So that is I think the question's gonna be like one of 26.

That'll be the first January 1st that he's operating it.

Is the the group that's in there?

Are they a nonprofit?

Or is it just a lady running it?

No, it's in there.

I think he probably qualified for that purpose.

Probably would have qualified before having applied.

Yeah, I yeah, I could have qualified, but she didn't.

But I knew I was getting the whole estate exemption, and I was having two percent of it.

So I didn't even bother that until she told me she was leaving.

Then I said we'll let me start the technical Chinese skills center then.

So you will no longer be offering short-term stage for the bedroom.

I still want to keep the same model because of the tenants that are there now with me.

So they're there now, but she's leaving, you said like in November.

Right.

Where are these people definitely staying or are they leaving?

Well, I know two of them are staying.

In the transition, uh a couple of them are transitioning out.

Are they saying rent-free?

No.

They're paying rent to her or you to her a month.

Okay, and I'll so that rent will be going to you.

Yeah, I'm gonna keep that.

I'm gonna after November and we do leases with them.

Those who want to stay, I'll do lease to cover some of the over.

And those are just standard market.

Just standard market leases, like yeah, maybe a little less just for one room.

So he's collecting five fifty a month per per room.

Yes, per person.

She could get two in a room with no more than five people.

So what will your rent be?

So it's a thousand dollars a room.

So it's a thousand dollars a room?

It's not really, you know, I she usually have an average of three to four people there.

So then how much would you charge if you took it over?

I would charge the same.

I wouldn't, I wouldn't.

Five thousand dollars a month if you had ten people there, right?

Yeah, I wouldn't have that many.

But you could have possibility okay, first questions.

Um table till next month, so we take a look at it button check it out.

Second.

Submitment secondary first question.

Seeing that on all cares say aye.

I think I've it.

Do you have any classes scheduled in the next month?

I could have.

Well, if you do, maybe that's a good time we'll get scheduled to come look at it.

That'd be great.

Okay, so it's on a table to be uh just let me know.

I'll I'll schedule.

Yeah, I mean I would reach out to Ashley.

I'll email you.

Okay.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Um R C D C a better way.

Okay.

Uh they're not on there in the case, but it's the family video movie club.

They're on page two six.

Same page.

Five and there's three, but the first one is one zero one four zero three nine.

We're not out of business.

265, it was right below.

Okay.

And then there's another one on 267.

For 2025.

You ready, ladies?

Oh, yes.

Okay.

Just for exemption, correct?

Yes.

So their 2026 has been approved.

I denied the 2025 for late filing.

Okay.

I'm the director of operations for Better Way Outreach.

Okay.

My name is Erica Bell, and I'm at the realtor that secured the building for them, and uh was working with this abatement process with the property management company.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

And the reason for reason for this is um I sent um all required document to Legacy in order to have the tax exempt for our 501, you know, our clinic for 2026.

Um I talked to Rebecca Wilbur.

Well in the assessor office.

And um, you know, she told me to find the paperwork to file.

I did that, and she told me I could not file the paperwork, legacy have to.

I sent it out to Legacy.

Legacy um prior to April the first, I believe that's when it had to be put in.

So when I sent it to Legacy to check on it, I called Rebecca to see if it was done.

I never got a reply back.

I called her, went to a voicemail, I emailed her, never got a reply back.

So we reached out to Legacy to see if they uh talked to the sensor's office, and they were like, no, they didn't.

I don't know who dropped the bomb on us.

But um then I found out that Miss Rebecca had retired.

That's why my none of my calls was returned.

And um, and then I got an email from a Angela.

Is it Angela?

Ashley.

Ashley.

Okay, you're actually okay.

Yeah, then I call it from Ashley, and then this is how all this came about of us getting on exempt for 2026 as a non-for-profit attacks.

She approved.

Recommend approval of 2016.

I approved 2026.

When you vote you said you wanted to do 2025, right?

And I just I explained that it was filed late, so then I would I would deny it.

So they're asking.

So it's just a late approval of the filing.

What is Legacy?

They're the property management company that had the building that I reached out to to secure it for a better way outreach.

So they manage it or own it or both?

They own and manage.

Okay.

Yes.

And what what is their business?

What do they did?

Um they're a commercial real estate company that had a yeah, old video store that's now been turned into their center.

Okay, so you lease from legacy currently and they manage your property as well.

Right.

They had this, they had this abatement form from September last year.

Um, and I they were reminded again earlier this year in emails, and I think they just simply didn't send the form on.

Um and then we weren't made aware that they didn't have it, and then through the communication with Miss Ashley, thank God, we were told that you know Rebecca never received it, and so she was trying to kind of piece it together for us.

Okay, but they had the form from last year before January 1st this year.

Right.

The property management company to submit it.

We couldn't submit it for ourselves.

Right, because you're not the owner yet.

Yeah, right.

So on your lease start.

Uh I'm sorry.

When is it starting when?

Uh January the 13th of 2025, yeah.

But so they could have filed no.

You have to be the owner or at least have January 1st, right?

Yeah.

So now we're only titled to it then for 25 people 26.

What are they filed?

No, but I mean some have gotten it.

Okay.

Any questions from the board.

So the family video movies club.

This is the one we're talking about, right?

Yes, on the corner 60.

Can you explain what is that?

What do you do?

Uh we do behavior health, we're not for profit, and we do uh behavior health, which is um store.

But now it's on Emerson, yeah.

Yeah, it's on 10th and Emerson.

So you just you just leased the building for uh uh outreach.

Legacy.

Yes.

I think your is your group the better way yes, their outreach clinic.

So legacy didn't file the paperwork.

We sent it to them, but they didn't file it.

And when I tried to reach out to uh prior to reaching out to Legacy to see if they found it, I call Rebecca.

Um not Rebecca, yeah, Rebecca.

we do uh behavior help which is um radio store now on emerson yeah yeah it's on the 10th and every sentence so you just you just leased the building for uh uh legacy yeah i think your is your group the better way yes their outreach clinic so legacy didn't file the paperwork no we sent it to them but they didn't file it and when i tried to reach out to uh prior to reaching out to legacy to see if they found it I got Rebecca um not Rebecca yeah yeah uh Rebecca and it was going to voicemail I emailed her I never got a reply and then later on I found out that she had retired so was it a vacant building before you started the lease it was well yes it's it's kind of complicated it was vacant but there was a building there was a business that was supposed to have been operating in the building that legacy thought was operating in the building so I had to do some investigative work to bring to legacy that that company was no longer in the building and it turned out they were up in some stuff through legal some legal stuff um but the but legacy would have never known they were on a contract to get $9,000 a month until 2029 so I caused the termination in that contract to allow them to go in the building.

Okay and when did all that take place on this began around May of last year and it took about eight months to cancel their contract and get them in January this year.

It took the old tenant or you it took legacy uh it took me a little bit of time for some research to determine because like it when I called legacy but we saw the building I saw it was vacant um and I reached out to legacy and they were not willing to discuss the building with me because they said there was another business operating in the building so I had to do some research on the business turned out the man who was supposed to be operating the business that was in the building um was I don't know was he in prison something happened yes it was called well path it was gonna be a like a substance abuse clinic similar to what we have but um but then like a like she said we did an investigation we found out in Tennessee that they had um some legal things going on to where but they were still paying the bill but still paying with those discussions taking place in 23 or 24 because you took did you take possession and lease in January this year.

In January 25.

Correct so all this began in May of last year and the research took about two months on my end and then legacy confirmed what I brought them and then they were able to reach out to whoever to cancel their lease but that took about five months.

Okay so you were you you were trying to get in the building prior to January 1st of 2025.

We were but you had to get we had a way for the termination yes out okay so then you're leasing it now what's in your lease agreement are you the one responsible for paying the taxes or they pay the taxes where we're paying we have we're paying that we're paying the time that's which is on the taxes are currently uh 1117 dollars and one cent monthly on top of their regular okay written amount and do we have a copy of that lease we're a copy we have it's in there okay good that's all and it does specify that the tenant is responsible for the taxes okay okay any other questions I'll make a motion to approve the 2526 exemption they'll set up you said obey my petrol exemption right correct yeah it's just exactly I spoke and I have a question yes a motion so is legacy gonna turn into paperwork so you didn't get exempt here okay okay it's turned in so everything's turned in yes okay so I I sent it to move second for discussion all fair say aye aye aye against the I would thank you for coming in thank you thank you for um Belle Belle I was with her yes what's your name sir my name's Dennis Westlake representing Shepard community gotcha on the east side what page do we have 265 yeah oh here we go on 269 too well that that's approved he's in question okay 265 okay this is exceptional too right yes so we have the purchase date of February 3rd of 2025 so I denied it based on that reason he's saying that they actually took ownership was it November of 24 or so the act the date we signed was December 30th 24 of 24 is that the D date the D okay date we signed the D right and then it just wasn't it was I'm sorry so it was executed on that date but not recorded until February process yes I wasn't aware of apparently it took until February to process but he signed it December 30th 24.

The transfer history.

It's a one 986.

Yeah.

Watch our head.

I don't know if you go to D.

You have a Dashley.

Okay.

But go back down a little bit.

D dates 1230 of 2024.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

So that's a D date, but it wasn't filed until February, right?

What recorded, yeah.

Right.

Well, legally it doesn't have to be recorded, right?

I mean, in my opinion, technically you own it today, it was executed and not entered into county records.

But any questions for the board or anything else you want to add?

Sure.

I'm getting my speech, but let's hear the speech.

Well, I mean, Sephiroth's been around for 40 years doing uh you know supportive services to the community on the east side.

So uh one of the things that we got into in the last five years, uh just because we have so many people that come in who are facing some sort of housing crisis, uh we decided that we would begin to do what we could do uh to create affordable housing options for people.

So that's really what this is about.

It's uh one of the we have several different types of properties, some are just rentals that we offer to low-income families, others are uh homes that we get, we're able to renovate and then make them available uh as a to purchase for first-time home buyers who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to purchase a home, and then some of them are vacant lots that were waiting.

We're in a process now of build actually building some new homes that will also be go into our homeownership program and be offered to uh first-time home buyers at a reduced rate, so at a reduced cost.

So uh this property was uh it actually has a bit of a history to it because uh the owner uh was re there, some it was a woman who was related to our community.

Uh we wanted to help her, so we got her connected to Fuller Center for Housing, and they she was able to qualify for uh to become a home buyer or home, yeah, homeowner with them.

Once she got into the home, she was in there about five years and she uh fell sick and extended illness.

Um we kind of came along, we wanted to help, so we were actually in the process of trying to acquire it in 2023, uh, buy her out from Fuller and be able to then help her uh continue to stay in the house.

Uh but her illness led to her passing away in uh February of 24, and then at that time uh we would have taken it immediately, but we it went into probate because nothing had been done.

So then we were on a wait uh wait list for that.

Uh we tried to kind of keep an eye on the property, we couldn't legally do anything with it, but we um people who were breaking in and living there, there was vandalism, there was theft of the AC unit.

So we dealt with a lot of things during those uh next nine months, but finally on December 30th, uh, was when we were able it finally came through probate and we were able to take legal possession of the house, and then we started working on it to uh because it needed also needed renovation.

So that's the story of the house we now have lined up uh first-time home buyer, low-income home buyer, and that's what we're hoping to do then is to pass this along.

So your your goal your mission is to uh acquire rehabilitate or build new whatever get a qualifying low-income first-time home buyer or whatever the situation is, and then transfer that property to that home buyer.

Yeah, some of them are transferred, some of them we have in the lease to own program that we find have we're financing, but this one will not be.

How would that be?

Would the lease lease to own just be you know like a balloon payment at the end when they're able to, or how how do you structure that lease to own?

We have it structured, and of those, these ones that we have currently are structured a little bit differently.

Um we're basically financing it until you know somebody it could be perpetual for 30 years.

But we are working with those families to qualify them for a traditional mortgage.

So that and a lot of times that's uh a lot of counseling to help them bring their credit score up to to position them with income and so forth to be able to actually uh not just get the mortgage but be able to go forward and uh sales under that sales contract situation, they can record that sales contract, apply for a homestead with with the auditor's office and receive that homestead.

And then under those ones we're still the owner, so they can't do anything.

Well, they could, I think, under a sales contract.

I guess I'm getting at a point where at some point taxes go back on this property, being that someone has bought it, whether it's by sales contract or by fee simple ownership.

Right.

And it would in those cases.

Once we are able to get them to the mortgage place, then they would start paying taxes.

And they would have the homestead.

In the lease to purchase program, where does the lease money that they're paying go to?

Did does that go for a down payment for them, or do they get any of that back?

Is that part of their loan process?

Just go to your debt service, I assume.

Yeah, right now it's just going to because we we take donations to be able to go out and purchase.

So it's kind of replenishing what we've depleted to be able to take it on, because we can't just take on a lot of real estate.

Uh the the new program that we're currently developing, we will be um it will there will be a portion of it that will be going to uh down payment assistance, so we'll be putting that aside as well as running the program from the other resources that come in.

On those specific properties, when you they're leasing the buy, who pays the taxes, you or them?

Uh we do.

Well, I should so when we when we divide it out, we do collect what we pay out in taxes.

We do, I mean that we consider part of their payment.

To go on what Mr.

O'Connor was saying, possible homestead and if it remains in your name, if the party is responsible for taxes, then they could get a home set on the property even though it was in your name.

But if you pay the taxes, then uh they could not get it.

So I understand.

Yeah, I wasn't aware of that.

Yeah.

But if it's in our name in there, which exempt so I'll make a motion to exempt is all on one nine eight two six.

Yeah.

First question.

So not all fair say aye.

I guess you guys have it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Any more guests?

Staff, okay.

That's not what that's okay back in the back.

I want to get it.

Well, we we need to talk to him then that's even now that they trade.

Okay, pages one through 22.

On page uh 10, parcel one, I'm sorry, one zero one six three three five.

Yes, it's residential.

Went from eighty-three to twenty-two.

Do we know what kind of data correction was made?

Looks like we corrected um some of our data that we had.

Um I think we removed the house.

So it's just a garage.

It's right only.

Okay.

Okay.

Yep, for a moment.

Oh no, a trailer.

So they're dirt by the motion accept page one through twenty-two.

The second.

Aye.

Yes.

Have it.

Uh we've got subjective appeals twenty-three through one forty-three.

Page uh thirty-three.

Arsenal one hundred five, seven, six, one, three.

From fifty-eight million to forty-six million, I guess, based on a sale.

Canal square apartments.

Canal Senate apartments.

It sold for fifty million and twenty-five.

What year is the twenty-three.

Yes, based off of a cell is finally.

I don't know what cell he's using.

But I don't think it's that one.

I mean, I guess it could be that one, but this is a twenty-three appeal.

It's two years later.

And we're taking it forty-six million.

Yeah.

It's probably definitely a personal property.

Yeah.

It went from fifty-eight to forty-six.

Yes.

Are those okay?

Yes.

Those we went um back and forth on with the tax rep and I it's a settlement.

Um we think it's a pretty good one in our favor.

Some of them went down quite a bit.

Drive from income expenses.

So uh scattered site.

It's a scattered site, but I looked at this um yesterday, last night, till nine o'clock at night.

You're welcome.

Um if I use the income that they gave us, I get a higher value.

So I think we need to table this because it we're dropping these in half.

Yeah.

And I don't think we're even going lower than what we settled on for the prior years.

That's some reason we were built homes too, right?

I think so.

Well, we'll decide.

No, are they all the same?

Not including this.

No, not good.

So not including that one, sorry.

Sorry.

The table ones are in the name of unity.

Yeah, like uh, and some of these, I mean, we're taking the assessed value from 300,000 down to a hundred and some odd thousand.

One fifty twenty-five, five hundred and sixty-five thousand.

Yeah.

Residential worker.

Yeah.

No, Gabriella worked it.

And I I know uh she used the numbers from the attorney.

I believe or close to the numbers that the attorney requested.

LP.

Yeah, what's one of those?

Uh 107 3266.

Page 69.

65.

That's the same thing they go through.

I yeah, these I did not look at.

So let's table those.

All the canal village LPs.

All the canal village LPs.

The other ones, but no one's moved to the page seventy-five, parcel um two oh one four three seven two.

Went from twenty-six million to twenty-two million based on income and expenses.

Yeah, that's the apartments off of Man Road.

Um, I know where these are, they're right by my house.

Um I don't know why.

Because we worked up our cap or our income on these, and let's see what ours was.

Oh, I'm in the wrong year, that's why.

Okay.

Our income came in at twenty-six million nine eighty-seven four thirty-one.

So I think that needs to be tabled, and I'll look at the financials.

Okay, there's the one above it to two parcel two oh one two eight five five.

Yes, we'll pull both of table both of those.

Okay.

That's a tanner drive.

Tanner drive, yes.

So all the same area.

Yeah, it's right next to it.

Okay.

Right there.

Oh, yeah, I got sure.

I'm not too familiar with that area.

It's God's country, you should be that's the request I had, so I'll make a motion to set up pages twenty-three through one forty-three with exceptions of the ones we tabled, which is quite a few of them.

Second.

Seeing none, all pairs say aye.

All right.

Um page one hundred forty-four through one ninety-eight.

I don't subject appealed by hearing officer.

But I have the files.

Okay.

I'll make a motion to set page one forty-four through one ninety-eight.

Second.

It's been moved second any further discussion.

Seeing none all favor say aye.

Aye.

Yeah.

We got withdrawals pages 199 through um 258.

Some of these are some of those drawn, but they just show land only.

And I go screw with some of the pictures that show houses on there.

Are these the canal villages?

Yep, canal villages.

Yes.

So these are the ones that you and I talked about before.

The houses were just built in 25.

And they've not been paid up.

Right.

And so we've given residential lists.

Well one I saw was 23.

Well, I'll google picture was from why don't we?

I I say we just pull because we're already pulling the other ones of Canal Village that we just pull okay.

Those as well that are being withdrawn just to make sure we're picking up what we should be.

How about the unity renaissance?

Yeah, the unit, yeah, pull the unity renaissance too on the withdrawals.

So all everything I did but one.

Yes.

Do we get permits for those houses or you supposed to?

We're supposed to, but I we're finding where sometimes we're not getting permits, right?

I have other ones that you talked about.

I have permits for two of them.

And I don't have resumers.

But they're there, so we'll just go out and so I was Googling a couple of them because I noticed I thought there were houses there, and one picture sold 23 and one show 24.

So if you're doing it for 25 people 26, it should be on there.

Right, it should be.

So I'll make a motion except those with exceptionals were table for table and unity plus Renaissance, right?

Yes.

Okay.

Second.

First question.

Seeing none, all fair say aye.

Uh huh.

The ayes have it.

We got exemptions, pages 259 through 279, except ones we already did.

Um I would like to ask for GDS rescue.

They were supposed to be here today.

She emailed and said that they weren't able to make it, so she asked that we should be told on pages 259 and 269.

Parcel 300 9390.

Okay, those are under business.

Yes.

Oh, I got one question.

Parcel.

So page 273.

Parcel is 703 5884.

300 South Post Road.

Yes.

What's city lease, sir?

703584?

703584, yes.

Okay.

And what was your question?

What's city lease?

It's lease to Office of Finance and Management.

I have a copy of the lease here.

I think that's the new police impound lot.

Because there's a bunch of cars here.

So the police impound cars too.

I mean, I thought I thought private companies did that.

I mean I I don't know why else we would have that.

Does it doesn't say on the application it say what it's being used for?

Is that tow yard?

Yeah, that's why I think it's the police impound lot.

Okay.

I'll make a motion accept pages 259 through 279 with exceptions one.

Do we already done?

Do we have a second?

Second.

Any further discussion?

Seeing then, all fair say aye.

Aye, all right.

The ayes have it.

We got our month.

We got a calendar.

The yes, the calendar for next year.

Um January is a week later than normal because of the assessors conference.

And um I didn't see when the summer conference was for August.

It wasn't out there, so hopefully I missed that window as well.

Um, and then I accounted for holidays.

Okay.

So I don't know if you want to vote today because we have to reserve rooms.

Or I'll make a motion accept it as presented to us.

Second.

First question.

See none, all fair say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

The ayes have it.

Anything else?

Yes, Mr.

Chairman, real quick.

Um it seems like we get a lot of the not-for-profits as I'd mentioned earlier.

Um coming to the board, and they're located in residential areas.

And so this may be for city legal year, but I if he could do it to you, and I think it would be uh not gonna do anything real heavy, but maybe talk to your zoning colleagues and see should those uh entities be zoned.

I mean, because to me is if you're not zoned properly, then you can't do it anyway.

So I'm trying to get to a point here where try to figure that out because people are just putting up shingles and saying I'm doing this if you're following me, and I'm just curious about the zoning on that.

Yeah, I agree.

We've been trying um to work with the different city departments, not just on exemptions, but like permits and stuff.

Um, when we find things, um, so I also have someone I could probably reach out to and ask them who I need to speak to and just kind of bring them bring those up to them.

Yeah, because if you're not zoned properly, it kind of makes it easy for us because then you're not supposed to be doing what you're doing at that property until you're zoned.

Uh right, technically, but so but we don't look at zoning.

Yeah, but I I mean I agree.

How can you you can't the city won't let you work there if it's not zoned right, so you can't technically operate out of it if it's not zoned that way.

Yeah, and that's the I think that's the issue is I know you guys don't probably look at zoning, and I get that, but someone should you know it's okay.

Yep, okay.

Thank you.

That's all I got.

Okay, anything else?

Um, other than we think we have your um dates worked out.

We just gotta talk to the to the two boards that um recommend you guys appoint you, sorry.

Well, Brian's already been appointed.

I was just appointed.

You were disappointed?

Okay, so um show continue.

All right, America County Commission commissioners, yeah.

January two just got re reappointed.

So that will help us then the other three will probably have you guys go an extra year because you guys can't all uh you want by yourself, yes.

So is it for one or two?

I thought it was two.

Oh, did they do it too?

Okay, I don't know.

You may have asked, I don't remember.

We'll get Joe and find out.

I thought it was two years.

Okay, if it's two, then that we just we know that at least two or three of you will have to have two years, and the other ones will have to have a one year just so everybody's not ending at the same time.

Okay, that's all we have.

Okay, I go in November.

Okay, we're adjourned.

Thanks.

Thank you.