Okay, do we have a quorum?

Forest quorum.

Okay.

5 o'clock, June 16th.

We're going to go ahead and call this meeting to order.

Land use and zoning committee will now convene.

We'll go ahead and start with introduction on the left.

Does the mic work?

There we go.

For the final time this year, this council year.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for the privilege of serving with you, Mr.

Chair.

Rockman Johnson, District 14.

Thank you.

Good evening at Reginald Gaffinet Julia, district eight.

Joe Carlucci, District Five.

Randy White, District 12.

Terrence Harvey, Office of General Counsel.

Helena Parella Planning Department.

Susan Kelly Planning Department.

Aaron Abney Planning Department.

Casey Cox Planning Department.

All right.

Welcome everybody.

Thank you, everyone, for joining us out there.

So we're going to go through what we got.

Oh wow.

Okay.

All right.

So we're going to go through the agenda real quick just for everyone's kind of on the same page.

We've got a few, we've got one item that's going to be taken up first.

A lot of deferrals.

So just to get everyone on the same page.

Actually, we're not going to go through the whole agenda just because that would take too long.

But what we will do is let everyone know.

We're bringing up item number 48, 2026 472.

That is going to be our first action item tonight.

That is the appeal by Mr.

Herzberg.

And before we go there, we're going to go ahead and get these items out of the way that are just open continue and deferral.

So, all right, we want to welcome Council Member Freeman.

Thank you for joining us, sir.

All right.

Item number one, 226-122, open the public hearing.

We have no speaker cars.

We'll continue this public hearing until 721 26.

Item number two, 2026-123, open the public hearing.

No speaker cars.

We'll continue this public hearing until 721-26.

Item number three, 2026 124 is deferred, and there will be a public hearing on 721 26.

Item number 4, 2026 125 is deferred with a good public hearing on 721 26.

Item number 5, 2026 126.

Open the public hearing.

No speaker cards.

We'll continue this public hearing till 721 26.

Item number six, 2026, 127.

Thank you, Mr.

Johnson.

We'll open the public hearing.

No speaker cars.

We'll continue this public hearing until 721 26.

Now, that takes us to the first item on the agenda, which is item number 48, 2026 472.

Mr.

Harvey, as always, give us a little lay of the land on how these appeals work.

I know we just did one last week, but go ahead and give us a little rundown on what we're doing here.

Of course, tonight before you is resolution 2026 472, which concerns an appeal of a final order of the Jacksonville Planning Commission.

Deny an application for zoning exception E 2620 and administrative deviation AD 2621.

This appeal was filed by Michael Herzberg on behalf of the owner Hay Av LLC, the appellant for the property located at 10344 Atlantic Circle between Atlantic Boulevard and Lawson Road.

Seeking to do several things.

The first reduce the minimum width of a driveway from 12 feet to 10 feet.

Uh reduce the uncomplementary land use buffer from 10 feet wide along the east property boundary to 5 feet wide and reduce the uncomplementary land use buffer from 10 feet wide along the west property boundary to zero and also to reduce the uncomplementary land use buffer trees along the east property boundary from six required to four and on the west boundary line from nine to seven on the subject property.

The record has been submitted to the commission uh from the commission for this appeal is a part of the record.

Um you will have before you for review.

You will be considering this request de novo, which means that the request and the presentation of all the evidence starts over, and that the appellant and the presenters may provide you with additional evidence to assist your decision.

Um I'm gonna go over the outline of how this appeal will go today.

This is an informal quasi-judicial hearing, so no formal hearing was requested by the appellate.

The order of the presentation will be as follows.

Um, you will have a disclosure of ex parte from the LUZ committee members.

We will open the public hearing, um, and then there will be the presentation by the appellate for up to five minutes.

The appellate, which will be the city, will be presented by Aaron Abney.

She will also have five minutes.

Then you will open up the public hearing and then rebuttal by the appellant if any.

The public hearing will then be closed and deliberation by the committee, and a vote will follow.

During this hearing, you will base your decision based on competent substantial evidence, which may consist of expert testimony and the staff and expert reports that you receive and arguments that you hear from the public in general.

At the end, we will deliver, you will deliberate and come to a conclusion of whether or not to affirm the commission's decision, reverse the commission's decision, modify or remand the matter back to the commission for further action.

Other than that, I'll turn it back to you, Chair.

Alright, thank you.

So first we will ask for any ex parte communication at this time.

Council members go ahead and declare that.

Seeing okay, Councilmember Johnson, you're recognized.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I write to declare ex parte.

I received an email from uh Mr.

Hertzberg explaining uh the details, and that's being filed with legislative services.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

And I receive I'll declare ex parte communication.

I received the same email from Mr.

Herzberg, that paperwork will get filed with legislative services, and no other speakers in the queues.

Let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Do we need to do that?

Or do we just go straight to Mr.

Hersberg?

Is the staff report will kind of be the repeal?

Okay, Mr.

Herzberg.

Only speaker card that we have here.

You have five minutes, and then we'll hear from Miss Abney for her five minutes on the rebuttal.

Floor is yours.

Mr.

Chairman, thank you so much.

Members of the committee, good evening.

I've handed out a document, which I hope you've got in front of you at this point.

And I think what the first thing that that is highlighted here should be highlighted here is that this property is commercially designated.

It is in the urbanized area of the city, the urban area for the planning districts or the planning uh practices.

And this is between I-295 along Atlantic Boulevard and Cortez Road.

So this is a very busy uh commercial corridor.

Three of the four sides of this property are in fact designated CGC land use and CCG2.

The prior soils were this parcel was actually uh zoned commercial intensive, even prior to the city's effort to do comprehensive planning in 1990.

A zoning map down below depicts that old uh old zoning, the CI, which you see the property would fall within.

It's highlighted in orange.

So even before 1990, the city recognized that this was a commercial area and wanted this to be a commercial area.

The CI was changed to CCG2 uh with the advent of the comprehensive plan.

Uh and this was again promoted as future commercial lands, uh, but not only commercial, intensive commercial.

The city assigned that CCG2, which, as you all know, is the most intensive commercial in our zoning code.

And while the staff report is correct in that there are some remaining residential uses uh along the roadway here, Atlantic Court or Atlantic Circle, excuse me, uh, those are in fact lawfully non-conforming residential uses and lawfully non-conforming residential uses according to our comprehensive plan and our local zoning code are permitted to be continued, but they are uh allowed to stay until they're removed, but they're not to be encouraged in their survival.

In other words, the plan is saying move forward with commercial.

You can continue to use it for residential if you wish.

So, again, uh looking back at that, you'll see that the depth of the commercial as you flip to page two, uh, the the kind of purplish uh color there, the CGC C C G2 goes all the way down and is somewhat uniform along this, with the exception of some parcels to the east.

So the plan even recognized that back in the in the old zoning maps before we had comprehensive plan when we just had zoning and not zoning and land use.

And that's important because CCG2 allows a multitude by right of very intensive uses, and a list of those is there.

Gasoline filling stations could be developed on this property today with no zoning exception, no need for anything.

Go forward and develop.

They usually have propane exchanges.

So not only do you have gasoline filling stations, you have propane exchanges at most of those.

You can have crematoriums, you can have service garages for major repairs, recycling collection points, indoor gun ranges.

All of these uses are permitted by right in the existing zoning.

But yet, this individual is here with an intent to have a propane distribution via his personal trucks or his company trucks, delivering that propane from the storage on the facility to various users, which could be in fact the residential users immediately behind these this property further to the south in the residential area.

More generally, and what the planning department told them to file was a request for a building trades contractor with outdoor storage.

So that's what we're here for tonight.

This industry is regulated by the US DOT, OSHA, the US Department of Energy as it relates to the fuel code, and the National Fire Protection Association under NAFPA 58.

There's a whole multitude of regulations assuring safety with the storage of this material on the property.

And again, right now, without any further consideration, a gasoline filling station could be there.

Obviously, that's as concerning as anything else, at least as relates to the storage of this propane tank.

Propane again is a very common gas.

We all use it.

We have it underneath our Weber grills or our grills at our homes.

As a matter of fact, oftentimes these residential properties have propane tanks stored in their yard, above ground, below ground.

The industry allows up to a thousand gallons to be stored on a residential lot in your own backyard if you so choose.

So again, this is not an intensive uh use in that nature.

This is really uh something that is far less than what would normally be allowed on this property.

The staff report found favorably upon uh two of this uh the nine criteria, and I would just ask that we kind of go through those very very briefly.

The state's uh the staff uses uh various various statements about uh anticipation or reasonable to expect.

So I guess if I'm running out low on time, it looks like here.

So if you look at the uh the provisions I've uh offered here in response to those criteria, I think you'll find that this is substantial competent evidence relating to the criteria.

And on the last page, I provided the comprehensive plan consistency, which I think is very important because one of the most important policies in our code is that the city shall encourage infill and redevelopment of existing commercial areas in lieu of permitting new areas to commercialize.

This is and has been an existing commercial area.

It should be allowed to be utilized.

It should not require uh any further consideration.

Uh, based upon that, I'll ask for your consideration of this request and be happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

All right, thank you so much.

Now we hear from Ms.

Abney with the planning department or five minutes.

Thank you.

So this is the appeal of E 2620 and AD 2621 for property at 10344 Atlantic Circle, which is again just south of Atlantic Boulevard.

Uh, these applications were submitted to the planning department and reviewed and heard by the planning commission on May 7th.

Um Terrence gave a great uh explanation of the application.

So the zoning exception is again for outside storage and a build building trades contractor business, and the AD is for some landscaping reductions, mainly around buffer requirements, uh, seeing as the property is adjacent to residential parcels.

Uh, the subject property was originally developed as a duplex, and the applicant is seeking to convert the structure and the use of the property as an operation center and storage lot for their propane business, uh, which, according to the proposed site plan, also would include a 18,000 gallon propane tank on site behind the existing structure.

Uh while this property and the neighboring parcels along Atlantic Circle are zoned CCG2.

The established development is more residential with the two adjacent properties developed with multifamily dwellings and properties to the south being zoned RLD 60 and developed with single family dwellings.

Uh staff reviewed these applications and found that the requested uses and the companion deviation from the landscaping code would not be compatible with existing contiguous uses or the general area, given that the established development pattern is residential.

Additionally, there are concerns at the proposed outside storage of trucks and heavy equipment associated with the business, including the propane storage tank being in close proximity to residential properties.

Given the size of the proposed size of the tank, it was reviewed by the fire marshal's office, and they explained that they would be required to have a setback of 50 feet from any adjacent property lines to the tank.

The deviation application was also reviewed by our city's landscape architect, which recommended denial as the only reason to reduce the uncomplementary buffer to the west to zero feet is due to a design decision for the new storage building, which is not an existing limitation on the site.

This is self-imposed hardship.

There's also no reason given to reduce the number of the required trees in the uncomplimentary buffer along either the east or west boundary.

As the site plan shows, no obvious limitations as to why they cannot meet these requirements.

We understand that the property is owned CCG2 and they're entitled to a number of uses by right, and they can develop it today as long as they meet the required landscape buffers.

The planning department is just not supportive of the expansion of uses above what they're entitled to today, especially if they're reducing the required landscape buffers and trees along those property boundaries, given that the surrounding area does have still existing residential.

The application was heard by planning commission on May 7th.

There was one speaker in an opposition.

It was adjacent property owner directly to the south that has a property along Lawton Road, who again expressed concerns about the proposed outside storage uses, especially the storage tank in the close proximity to the residential neighborhood.

They did not have a concern about the redevelopment of the site, just but just main concern with the outside storage that would be occurring on their property in the close proximity to the neighborhood.

Overall discussion amongst the commission revolved around the property, is entitled to CCG2 uses by right, and with outside storage being by exception and the surrounding properties being developed with residential dwellings.

The expansion of uses was not appropriate for the area.

Ultimately, the commission voted unanimously for a denial of both E 2620 and AD 2621.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you so much.

We have no other speaker cards.

So with that, we'll close public hearing.

Oh, do we want to we can offer a rebuttal for three minutes if you if you'd like, Mr.

Hosberg?

So does he get three minutes and then planning?

Just okay.

Mr.

Chairman, I'll be very brief.

I won't need three minutes.

Uh and I appreciate the comments of staff.

I guess my concern is this.

We're technically not following the plan.

The plan says this is supposed to be CGC.

The plan says this is supposed to be CCG2, but we're denying people the uses and the accessory or subordinate things that might occur along with it via the exceptions for specific use of that same zoning district in favor of the existence of dwellings that are lawfully non-conforming, which our code says are not to be continued.

We are not to support or promote them.

By definition, by saying that we don't want this commercial intrusion into a commercial area, we are in fact denying the intent of our own plan for this to commercialize.

And it's causing people to go find other commercial properties to seek land use and zoning changes, which that policy that I provided you, which is the last policy in the handout, says that we should utilize the commercially designated parcels.

We shall use the commercially designated parcels in lieu of permitting other areas to commercialize.

This is an appropriate location for this.

I know there were some concerns about the safety of the storage.

I think those are uh even the fire marshals indicated with the 50 foot setback, which the applicant is more than happy to do.

Uh, you know, they would not be necessary.

As to the landscape provisions, uh, I don't think we would need the relief.

The owner has acquired an additional residential uh unit duplex to his immediate east.

So that land use buffer is no longer required.

He's already uh purchased that property.

Uh the exception would not apply to that, although he could still use that for any CCG2 use by right, but I think that would take care of most of the administrative deviation requests that were being sought.

With that, I'll close and stand by for any questions.

Thank you.

Alright, thank you so much.

So we have no other speaker cards, so now we can close the public hearing.

We'll bring it back to committee before we make a motion to amend.

All right, we want to welcome Councilman Barrius.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you for joining us.

Um, before we make any motion to amend uh committee, as as we've seen these appeals uh go uh in the past.

The amendment is simply to grant or deny.

So we kind of need to have some discussion and then we need to open it up for the amendment to grant uh or deny.

So we'll go ahead and go through the queue.

We have one speaker, uh Councilman Gaffney Jr., you're you are recognized.

Thank you to the chair to the planning department.

So are we voting for the administration deviation or the zoning exception or both?

Uh through the chair to Councilman Gaffney.

So the appeal is for both applications.

So the zoning exception for the building trades contractor to include the outside storage use, and then also the administrative deviation that is asking for the reduction in the driveway width and the reduction in the landscape buffers along the west and east property boundary, and then some tree reduction in trees within those uh buffer requirements.

Alright, thank you through it.

Let me add for clarity and through the chair.

I guess Mr.

Herzberg brought up a great point.

Um, so he said at this point we could we could have this designation for a gas station, but we can't allow it for I guess outside storage for um protein tanks, correct?

Uh through the chair to Councilman Gaffney.

So yes, so um property is zoned CCG too.

So they have a number of uses that they're allowed by right outside storage um along with building trades contractor is a use that's allowed by zoning exception.

Um and so we reviewed it based off of that and the criteria and found that it was um not consistent and we recommended denial.

I'm just trying to understand the difference.

I mean, it it seems to me that a gas station is not that much difference from I guess a propane tank.

I mean in my eyes, I don't know, but you know, I understand where you guys come from.

So I stand by and see if we um hear from the rest of my colleagues.

All right, um, and we'll go to Councilmember White and then we'll go to Councilmember Aries for ex parte.

Councilmember White, you're recognized.

Yeah, question from Mr.

Hersberg.

Uh I know what you said, I just want to hear it one more time.

When you got with the fire marshal's office, you are gonna be able to meet the 50-foot buffer or more with the gas uh with the propane tank, correct?

Through the chair, sir.

Yes, that's correct.

He would need or exceed that buffer.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

All right, we'll go to Councilmember Ayers for his ex parte.

All right, thank you, Chair.

I'd like to declare ex parte.

I spoke to the applicant, also received an email regarding the case, and it's uh currently being filed as it is.

Thank you.

Okay, great.

All right, we have no other speakers in the queue.

Uh I'll just add my two cents in.

Um, you know, again, I think it's it's definitely kind of a a quirky area, being CCG2 in sort of a you know little pocket right there off Atlantic Boulevard.

Um, I just can't uh come to deny something that is already zoned for basically a gas station where a small business owner wants to put a much smaller scale propane tank.

So I'm gonna be supportive of um or I don't know, would that be a denial of the or a what and what position would that be on the appeal, Mr.

Harvey?

Can you can you set me straight there?

Yep.

So if you're going to reverse the commission's uh decision, you're going to grant the appeal.

So granting the appeal, the applicant, the small business owner could keep his outdoor storage there.

He will be able to start the outdoor storage.

He does he can't do it now because he needs the okay.

So granting the appeal would give him that permission.

Correct.

Okay, great.

Um that would be my recommendation as the chair.

I can't really make that motion.

So if someone wants to make a mobile and move, okay.

We have a motion second to grant the appeal, and we have no one in the queue, all in favor of the amendment signified by saying aye.

Aye, any opposed?

The amendment carries.

Now we've seen a motion on the bill as amended.

All right, we have a motion second on the bill as amended.

We have no one in the queue.

Open the ballot records vote.

Five yes, zero nays.

By your ice, you have granted the appeal for 2026 472.

Thank you all.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Herzberg.

Alright, we're gonna go back to let's see.

We did we already read through items one, two, three, four, five, and six.

Correct, Mr.

Harvey?

Okay.

All right.

Got my new vice chair here to my left, sort of.

We've we've we've cycled through a couple of vice chairs here.

I mean, you Rory was the vice chair, and then he gave it to Raul, and now we got Rockwood over here.

So who's the vice chair here?

Um, anyways, last meeting of the year, so we can do we can do whatever we want.

All right, 2026 293, open the public hearing.

Let's get a staff report.

Ordinance 2026 293 is a small scale land use amendment to change 0.7 of an acre at 9801 Hexher Drive from community general commercial CGC to low density residential LDR to allow for single-family um residential development within the suburban development area.

The application has been submitted with a companion rezoning proposing to change the site from CCG-2 to RLD-100A.

The site consists of two parcels and is located on the west side of Hexher Drive, which is classified as a minor arterial roadway.

Um, this is between the Mayport Ferry Terminal and Huguenot Memorial Park.

The parcels on either side, both north and south of the subject site, are designated as rural residential.

This parcel's current CGC land use designation is an outlier in this stretch of residential uses.

The proposed LDR land use category will allow for low density single-family residential development, which is compatible with the surrounding residential uses along this segment of Hector.

The maximum gross density for this site would be two units per acre with a minimum lot size of half an acre.

For these reasons and those in the staff report, the planning department recommends approval.

The planning commission heard this item at their meeting on June 4th, and they voted unanimously to recommend approval.

All right, thank you so much.

First speaker card, Ian Brown.

Good evening, Ian Brown, 245 Riverside Ave here on behalf of half of the applicant.

Are we gonna hear them in conjunction?

Okay, no, one at a time.

Okay, I have a um exhibit to circulate.

It does have facets of each of the app each of the different um applications, but I'll pass them out.

Alright, well, those are circulated.

I'll get started.

So this is a down zoning request.

Um, as the packet is circulated, you'll see on the first page there.

The blue star is a subject property.

We're an outlier on this side of Hecture.

This property is um very close to where the ferry connects on the Hexher side, and um, it's a CCG2 zoning.

Um we were told years ago there may have been like a mini mart or a convenience operation there in the past.

Um the owner of this property is a builder, a residential builder.

He does own the contiguous property to the east.

Uh we have support from the contiguous property to the west, and we also have support from the Hector Drive Community Club.

Um, their support letter is on the is on the last page as a freestanding exhibit, along with the neighbor's handwritten letter.

So, by right, this property CCG2.

You just heard some of this with Mr.

Herzberg, but you can do gas stations, adult entertainment, nightclubs, hotels, motels, truck parking, alcohol sales, light manufacturing, and it enjoys a 60 foot height limit.

That's currently by right.

What the owner is seeking to do is a downzoning, down zone to single family residential with the corresponding land use change.

I know we're on the land use right now.

I'm just kind of running through it.

Um, the owner would like to retain not all of the height that he currently could enjoy, which is 60, but come down to 50, as well as keep an existing eight-foot fence, which is approximately 80 feet from the pavement, and also the same height as the contiguous residential fence to the to the east.

Um the staff found the request is compatible with the surrounding area.

Nearby structures already exceed the requested height.

On that note, in your exhibit package on page one, you can see how far back the existing fence is, approximately 80 feet on page two.

Again, I know we're on land use, but here's get the exhibits.

This three over one rendering is more of like an inspirational image.

They're not anywhere near permitting, but it's an example of a resilient structure that's a flood-prone area.

Um it can handle rising waters and build over the garage and open space.

The warehouse on the right of page two, that is an existing 60-foot warehouse.

No.

We got a good three minutes.

If people have questions, they can call you up.

That's fine.

That was that was pretty much it.

No worries.

All right.

And next we have Paul Zabuni uh in support questions only.

So we have no other speaker cards so we'll close the public hearing and bring back to committee.

Motion and second on the bill.

Do we have any discussion?

Let's see.

No discussion.

Oh, we have Councilman Gaffney Jr.

You're recognized.

I would just want to ask Mr.

Brown through the chair.

Yeah.

I know you said you had a few more minutes, so I want to make sure I got all the information we need to vote, which you get.

I'll stand by for questions.

I think I got most of it out.

All right.

We have no speakers in the queue, so that means we can go ahead and open the ballot, record your votes.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action you've approved 2026 293.

Item number eight, 2026 294.

Council members, please declare your export A communication at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the companion conventional rezoning ordinance 2026-0294, seeking to rezone approximately 0.7 acres from CCG2 to RLD 108 in order to develop the property with one single family dwelling.

So again, this is a down zoning.

Subject property is located along Hector Drive, where surrounding properties are developed with residential lots and zoned RR acre.

This pro this particular property is the only parcel on the north side of Hector Drive within this immediate area that is zoned CCG2.

So rezoning to RLD 100A will be more in character with that established development pattern.

Staff has reviewed the request, finds with the approved land use change to LDR.

The rezoning will be consistent with the comp plan and further the goals and objectives.

So for these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

Application was heard by planning commission on June 4th.

There were no speakers in opposition and little discussion, and they voted unanimously for approval.

Alright, we have two speaker cards.

First speaker, Ian Brown.

Thank you.

With this, it's just to finish my notes here.

We did we did have unanimous approval at planning, and uh we worked with the community, and so I feel good about the application.

I think it makes the corridor more consistent, as you can see from the exhibit.

So I'll stand by for questions.

Alright, next we have Paul Zabuni who is in support and is uh does not wish to speak.

So we have no other speaker cards.

We'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

All right, we have a motion and a second on the bill.

No discussion.

Open the ballot accord your vote.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action approved, 2026 294.

Item number nine, 2026 295.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the companion administrative deviation ordinance 2026-0295, seeking to increase the height of the fence within the required front yard from four feet to eight feet, and to increase the height of the primary structure from 35 feet to 50 feet.

The property is being um zoned, the property being zoned commercial, did not have zoning regulations on fence height and location, and the applicant is requesting to keep the existing eight-foot fence in its current location, which happens to be within the required front yard.

Um zoning regulations regulates fence height within the required front yard to four feet.

Um RLD 100A's front yard setback is 25 feet.

The property is unique in that this portion of Hector Drive Rideway is very large, leaving the fence approximately 80 feet back from the right-of-way.

Um, the distance usually required in RLD 100A.

Uh, so it's a lot, it's a lot larger than the required front setback under the ROD 100A requirement.

Additionally, the applicant is asking to increase the height building height given the property is located within the flood zones and is required to elevate the structure to comply with base flood elevations.

There are other structures along Hexture Drive which exceed the requested height, including a 60 foot structure.

So the proposed height would not be out of character for the immediate area.

The property is located within the 50-foot height restriction zone for the Mayport Airport, but even with the height increase, it'll still be below the maximum height restriction zone and will be in compliance with part 10.

So for these reasons and those in the staff report, we are forwarding a recommendation of approval.

The application was heard at Planning Commission where there was one speaker, it was a representative from the Navy discussing basically how we would measure the height in order to be below the 50-foot height restriction zone.

Planning Commission ultimately voted to approve with a condition on how to measure that height.

Following the hearing, the Navy representative did look further into the height measurement issue, and due to the elevation of the runway at the Mayport Airport being higher than the current elevation of the property.

But ultimately, the planning commission did a vote to approve with that one condition, but with the clarification, the condition is no longer needed.

Thank you.

All right, we don't have any speaker cards on this one, so I guess Mr.

Brown, did you not fill out a speaker card?

That's okay.

There's a chance I did not.

Okay.

Well I'm happy to fill one out.

If you wish to speak, you can fill one out.

Okay.

So we won't, we just will we'll just move on since we have no speaker cards and we'll close the public hearing and bring back to committee.

The amendment.

As discussed by staff is no longer needed.

So got it.

All right, we have a motion second on the bill.

The amendment is no longer needed.

No one in the queue.

Let's open the ballot.

Record your vote.

Six YAs, zero nays.

You've approved 2026 295.

Mr.

Brown, Mr.

Councilman Arias would like to see you in the green room if you have a second.

Alright, item number 10, 226-304.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Seeing none, we will open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the conventional rezoning ordinance 2026-0304, seeking to rezone approximately 0.37 acres from CCG 1 to CCG2.

The rezoning is being sought to allow for a service contractor use with fleet dispatch and outdoor storage activity.

Staff has reviewed the request and finds that while the requested rezoning along with the uses permitted within this district would be permitted under the existing CGC land use.

When we evaluate the criteria for consistency with the comp plan, which would include the goals, objectives, and policies, we find that the requested rezoning to be overall inconsistent with the plan.

The subject property is located at the southwest intersection of Cleveland Road and 45th Street West, which are both classified as collector roadways.

Surrounding uses include low intense neighborhood commercial retail.

You have a school and you have existing single-family residential neighborhoods.

Given the existing pattern of development and uses within the immediate area, we find that uses that would be allowed by right in CCG2 would not be appropriate or compatible with surrounding development patterns.

The current zoning district, CCG1 offers commercial uses that are appropriate for the area and serves as a transitional zoning district from the surrounding residential uses.

CCG2 is a district that permits the highest intense commercial uses, which will not protect or preserve the character of the surrounding neighborhood.

So for these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of denial.

Application was heard by planning commission on June 4th, where there was one speaker in the opposition who supported the department's recommendation of denial, citing concerns that the expansion of commercial uses permitted in the CCG2 district would be incompatible given that there's a school and single family uses in the immediate area.

The commission expressed similar concerns and suggested that the applicant consider maybe a PUD to limit the uses, but the commission ultimately voted unanimously for denial of the conventional rezoning.

Thank you.

All right, we have one speaker card.

Samantha Ceres is in opposition and does not wish to speak.

So with that, we will go ahead and close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

So for this one, currently, if we are going to approve it, it's in the it's in the posture to approve right now.

But if we vote on this and wanted to follow suit with planning department and planning commission, do we need to amend it to deny?

Or do we need to just vote it down?

Just voted down, and we don't need to make an amendment.

So right now, the current posture is for the ordinance for a excuse me, a ordinance for to rezone it.

And so if you were to vote it down, it would leave the committee as a denial and we will make understood.

Okay.

Um all right.

Just what I just throwing it out.

I'm just making sure.

Um, since we're we're five votes in and we got to have four to get it out.

So we have no speakers in the queue.

Um, okay, I'll speak after you then go ahead.

Councilman Gaffney, you recognize.

Thank you through the chair.

As a right now, I'm a denial.

I mean, the planning commission voted denied.

The planning department voted denied.

The council woman is not here.

So that make me I don't know from the community that they had a community meeting.

Right now, I'm a no.

There's no way I could justify voting.

Yes, well, Ms.

Pittman being here, and the planning commission and planning department, both being no.

So that's what I'm at right now.

Okay, yep.

I tend to agree with you, but we'll go ahead and council member Johnson.

You're recognized.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I tend to agree with uh the councilman and you as well.

Um, I'm also seeing nobody from the community or anybody saying anything about it.

So um I did look into it.

I did not see where this to me it's a denial as well.

Thank you.

All right, we have no one else in the queue.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote for I'm gonna be a down, I'm gonna vote no on this as well.

Um, you know, it's already CCG one to go to CCG two right here in the middle of that, um, for all the reasons in the staff report, planning commission unanimously voted to deny.

So I'm gonna be voting no as well.

So with that, we have no other speakers in the queue, but we will go ahead and open the ballot and everyone can record their votes.

The the recording to vote on the motion to uh to deny.

Wait, zero yes, five nays.

Right.

All right, by your action, you have denied 2026 304.

All right, item number eleven, 2026 309.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Councilmember McGaffney.

Uh 2026 309.

You got one?

Okay, go ahead, Councilman Gaffney.

You're recognized.

Yeah, thank you through the chair.

I like to file a SPRT.

I had a held a community meeting.

Um, I'm not sure the date.

Um, it should a date get file and everything if I will legislative services.

All right.

We have no speaker no other speakers that need ex parte, so let's go ahead and open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

2026 309 seeks to reduce the required minimum road frontage from 80 feet to zero feet to allow for the development of a single family dwelling in the RR acre zoning district.

The subject property is a 2.27 acre lot located approximately 371 feet south of Davidson Farm Road, which is an approved private road.

The property was originally part of a larger 10.45 acre lot that has since been subdivided into two lots.

The proposed subject parcel has been deeded to a family member member of the original parcel, which is 15364 Yellow Bluff Road.

A 30-foot access easement has been granted to the subject property through that parent uh parcel that connects directly to Davidson Farm Road.

It is not anticipated that the construction of the new dwelling will reduce the property values of the neighboring lots, nor will it interfere with the rights of other homeowners as a 30-foot wide easement is through the parent property.

Additionally, the site is 2.27 acres in size, which is double the minimum one acre required for the RR acre zoning district.

The applicant will be required to meet all other zoning requirements.

For these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

All right.

We have one speaker card.

Amir Rubashka.

Sorry if I butchered that last name.

Come on down.

Three minutes, state your name and address.

Thank you, guys.

My name is Amir Ibashka.

Um here.

My father is the applicant.

I'm gonna be the homeowner or the owner of the subdivided land.

Me and my wife were requesting an approval of waiver of road frontage.

So we can build our family home on parcel two.

This is not a subdivision or commercial development.

We're just simply requesting approval to build one single family home on a property that was divided for my father's land to provide access to parcel two.

We created and recorded a legal 30-foot-wide easement, and the easement was established specifically to serve uh the property and provide legal access for our home emergency vehicles and utilities.

We have worked with surveyors, attorneys, and the county staff throughout the process and have taken all necessary steps to ensure the proper legal access.

Uh we believe uh we believe the recorded 30-foot easement uh fulfills the purpose and provides safe and legal access to the property, and we are committed to meeting all county requirements, permits requirements and building regulations.

We also want to be good neighbors.

We are willing to help out with the maintenance and upkeep of Davidson Farm Road and to contribute financially towards the future improvements and ongoing maintenance of that road.

We respect our neighbors and we understand that there may be questions or concerns, but uh this is the request to simply allow our family to build a home on our property.

Okay, thank you.

We have no other speaker card, so we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Motion to second on the bill.

No one in the queue.

Open the ballot, record your vote.

Five years, zero and eight.

By your action, you've approved 2026 309.

Item number 12, 2026 311.

Let's open the public hearing.

Get a staff report.

Um, thank you.

Ordinance 2026 311 is the comprehensive plan changes that includes text amendments and a map amendment for the target growth area.

If you look in front of where um in front of where you are right now, I put in front of you a packet of information.

The first page is just kind of a real brief um way to explain what the target growth area is, and the second page is basically a one-page summary to go through the entire uh um project of what we are proposing for the target growth area that will require comprehensive plan changes and zoning code changes.

What are we what we are talking about today?

Is just the comprehensive plan changes.

The zoning code changes will come later to this body.

Um, so basically, I just want to start off with what is the target growth area, and this is a targeted boundary approach, not citywide, and this is an area that we find appropriate to for to allow for an increase in density based on low flood risk and um proximity to transit lines.

Um, and if I could back up just a little bit to explain how we got there.

Um, in 2023, there was a committee formed, and that is the land development regulation committee, and the chair of that committee, Emily Pierce is in the audience today.

If you'd like to hear from her later, um, but they met for about a year and a half, and that committee included developers and engineers and CPAC planners, um, affordable housing experts, and um all types of city staff to answer any kind of questions that the committee had.

They were tasked with looking at three different concerns that the city has.

One is resilience to flood-prone areas.

Two is the increased population coming into Jacksonville and housing for that increased population and the unaffordability of that of the current housing that we see.

So what the committee did is they looked at those issues.

They first identified locations with a lower risk of flooding.

So those areas by the resilience office with their compound flood model, these have the least concern for development and flooding.

So that's part of the boundary.

The urban and urban priority is part of that target growth boundary where we want to see an increase in density.

The urban and urban priority areas are already outlined in the conference of plan as areas that we want to see revitalized and infilled.

And they go out from there in the comp plan.

It starts with urban priority, like near the urban core, it goes out to urban, suburban, and so forth and rural.

So we looked at low flood risk, the urban urban priority area, and then also the half mile radius around the high ridership transit routes and the Emerald Trail.

And we worked with KTA to identify those routes, and that would create basically a walkshed for people in the increased housing and affordable housing to get to some type of transit option to get to their next stop.

So that's what the boundary is made of.

The comprehensive plan that you have in front of you today sets the map for that boundary and also sets the reasons why we came up with that boundary and definitions of what the target growth boundary is.

And that's basically what I explained to you right now.

That's what you're voting on today.

And it's an area where we would allow an increase in density.

There is no change to land use, no change to zoning categories, no change to land use districts.

But if you have property in that area, you would be able to increase your density by about 50% of what is already allowed.

So let's say you're in a CGC, a commercial district, it allows 20 units per acre.

You would be allowed 30 units per acre.

But what you would have to give in return, there's also some flexibility in the zoning code that you'll see, but what we would want to see in return is a public benefit.

And you can see that on both the one page here and the flyer.

The public benefit would be a portion of that development.

20% would have to be affordable housing dedicated for 30 years, or you would have to do resilient design factors in your development, just one or the other.

You're gonna see those public benefit and those details in the zoning code portion when that comes to you.

But the conference of plan has to come first because it has to be reviewed by the state departments.

And when after it's reviewed from the state both departments, if it's forwarded from this body, then you'll see everything again with the highly detailed zoning code that is the implementation portion.

This was reviewed by the planning commission, received unanimous approval on May 21st, and we also had a public meeting last week to go through this as well, where a couple members of council were there, and I think that information was also sent out to all the other council members.

But I am happy to answer any questions and give you further information if needed.

All right, we will go ahead to we have two speaker cards.

First, Miss Emily Pierce.

Good evening.

Maybe it's this one.

Yeah.

Good evening.

Emily Pierce, 1301 River Place Boulevard.

Thank you for taking this up.

I knew you had some questions last time.

Director Parola told you that this started in November of 2023.

What I wanted to let you know is this actually started in 2016.

I have been on six different committees to get to where we are today.

And this last committee, we had planners, engineers, developers, housing advocates, CPAC members, affordable housing experts, and city staff.

We worked with JTA, we worked with the housing department, we worked with public works, and we also worked obviously with the planning department.

As she said, we had three main goals, and that was to try and figure out a way to increase resilience to floods, increase housing opportunities for everybody in the city, and to protect neighborhood character.

So we did a process where we started with the city maps and we reduced down and we reduced down and we reduced down.

And as you heard her say, we took 13 transit routes, we went a half mile wide on each side.

We got rid of anything that floods, we got rid of any overlays, we kept it to the urban area and the urban priority area, which already designated in your comprehensive plan for higher growth.

And that is what we are presenting to you today.

We went to all the CPACs.

We talked with most of you, it was earlier this year, but we took this to the CPACs.

They actually got a standing ovation at one of the CPACs, which is pretty amazing.

We took this to the Chamber of Commerce and got a unanimous approval from their government affairs committee, and they are taking it to the full chamber tomorrow, I believe.

So we have uh worked this through the public.

We have made sure that we are trying not to impact any existing neighborhoods.

One of the things that Director Parole has stated is this is an incentive.

This is not something something that anybody's gonna be required to do.

You can do whatever your land use and zoning allows you to do on your property today.

Nobody is gonna make anybody do this.

But the main thing that we did was we took it to the builders and the developers and we said, what can we do that is something that will be meaningful, a meaningful change to the comprehensive plan and to the zoning code that will actually result in additional housing?

And they took this information, they took the numbers, they took the higher density, they took the higher height, they balanced it with the 20% of affordable or the three out of five resilience and said the numbers pencil.

They can make this work.

There is a strong belief with NEFPA, the Chamber of Commerce, the people that were on this committee that if this is adopted, that in fact we will get additional housing of a variety of different kinds in the city.

So I ask you to support this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Pierce.

Nice we have Jamie Travis Leonard.

Good evening, committee members.

My name is Jamie Travis Leonard, my address is on file.

So I tentatively support this measure.

Um I do have some concerns about the urban priority areas.

What you're receiving is a food desert analysis that was done in 2019.

There has not been a lot of movement to address some of those disparities.

And my concern with increasing the density specifically in the areas that were outlined in this map is that a lot of it uh overlaps with existing food deserts.

So I appreciate that we do want to put more development in this area.

I think that overall as a city we're trying to grow in development and development is necessary, but as we're doing this, I want to see what incentives are being placed on developers to benefit the community, not just through transit and housing, but also through food through education as well.

We had a lot of closures in district four for schooling.

So how are we going to support those families that are coming in with children?

How are we going to support them again with food, groceries?

The Northwest Side is one of the largest receivers from feeding northeast Florida.

You guys help them with that.

So while I do tentatively support this, as this plan goes through, I would like to see priority initiatives around things the community actually can grow from.

And as I've said repeatedly, groceries, access to nutritious, fresh food is a huge problem in my area.

I live on the north side.

This is my area.

So I and I want people to live on the north side.

I love it up there.

I will admit I'm a transplant.

I moved in in 2020.

I got it right before the pandemic.

I got lucky.

Um, and I want more people to come there.

It's a beautiful area, but we need to develop conscientiously.

And we need to develop in a way that we're not straining existing systems.

I live by Don Avenue.

The public's in my area, which is the only grocery store within a three mile radius of my home, is consistently out of stock of things because they are the only grocery store.

So as we go through these comprehensive plans and we hear from all these things, I would like you to think of people like me, like my neighbors who don't have access to things in other areas, and how increase in density might impact that.

And as we develop these plans, continue to develop ways to address those issues along with trying to continue to develop and bring in affordable housing into the city.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

We have no other speaker cards, so we will close the public hearing, bring it back to committee.

All right, that's a moment.

Uh there I believe there was an amendment for a revised exhibit three.

Um they changed uh slight map change, and then there was two colors on the map, a little yellow and pink.

They basically combined it into one color.

So I need a motion on the amendment.

All right, we have a motion, second on the amendment.

All in favor of the amendment signified by saying aye.

Any opposed?

The amendment carries.

Motion and second on the bill as amended.

Councilmember Aries, you're recognized.

I'll make this quick, Chair.

So um I definitely agree with uh Miss uh Jamie.

Um similar to like the mobility fee that we have where developers develop and they're they put money into a mobility fee.

Is there a fee that we could create or that exists where there's like a food desert fee where if you're developing in that district that is clearly prone to food desert issues that we could put money into that that way we have incentives for grocers to want to go there and open up and we have a pocket of money that they could use, or if we don't have it, can we create something like that?

Um, through the care to council member areas, I don't right now we do not have anything like that.

I'm sure it could be created almost like an affordable housing fee.

However, I just want to make you aware that the planning department is working on what's called the food plan that should be um in its final stages in the next several months, and that and that will outline a number of different recommendations and how to move forward with those recommendations, and one of those will be the food desert concerns and issues with people getting fresh food and making that more available throughout the county.

All right, thank you, uh Chair.

One more thing.

So I'll look forward to that in a couple months.

Uh, and if it doesn't really satisfy the need of the community, I'd like for us, potentially whoever's on LUZ or whenever next year at some point after the summer break for us to look and see what we can do to address that need if we need to do something else aside from whatever you guys are working on, because um, as you see in the map, I mean it's definitely prevalent, and it's it's been like this for years, and so I think it's time for us to you know have the conversation if that's the case.

So thank you, Chair.

All right, Councilmember Freeman, you're recognized.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Just want to prove that I was listening while I was at the back, but no, I just want to follow up on that point.

Um, and the information that you're saying that you all can provide to us.

Will there be a funding source with that when you bring those those ideas forward through the chair to like he used the word a fee or a tax, right?

I like to use the word trust funds, like I think of the homeless, what we're doing for homelessness, um, what we're doing for jump.

I'm using we use economic, we use the incentive plan to fund and and it continuously um backfills.

I'm through the chair to council member Freeman, the food plan will have a series of recommendations, and what will happen with those recommendations is we will have to flesh them out and see what the best method is to move forward at that point.

So if it includes anything like a trust fund or um whatever the planning department would want to recommend, that would also include council approval as well.

No, thank you so much for that.

And we obviously don't have auditors here, but I just heard you talk about a pot of money going to me the trust fund will be a good way, and then if the council can maybe put some dollars in there to start it, and now we have a source going with it.

Um, that's something that's a way to go about it.

So thank you.

I just want to know about the funding.

Alright, we have no other speakers in the queue.

Um, and I'll just give a quick little shout out to Ms.

Pierce.

It sounds like you've been working on this for quite some time, so congratulations in advance.

Um, seems like you've done a lot of work on this, and um, it's finally here.

So with that, we have a motion and second on the bill.

Oh, Councilmember Johnson, you're recognized.

Mr.

Chair, I just want to say very briefly uh I want to also thank uh the council members who introduced this uh with me, uh Councilmember Carlucci, Amaro, Peluso, and Miller, and we did have a notice meeting on it, and uh those that couldn't come out did some of them viewed the notice meeting, so thank you for that.

There were a lot of questions that got answered.

We worked really hard on this, and Emily, thank you again for your diligent work to the chair, of course.

Uh, from your diligent work, it's been a long time coming, so I'm glad we can get it to this part of the finish line.

Thank you.

All right, we have no one else in the queue, so let's open the ballot or coordinate your vote.

Matt.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action, you've approved 2026 31.

Item number 13, 2026 365.

Open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Ordinance 2026 365 is for the adoption round of a large-scale land use amendment of 337.29 acres uh that is seeking to go from rural residential RR in the rural area to low density residential LDR in the suburban area.

Um, the LUZ committee heard this item during the transmittal round of that legislation.

That was at the January 21st meeting, and the committee voted unanimously to approve.

Um, concurrent with this request for a land use amendment.

The applicant seeks to extend the suburban development area boundary to include the site.

The site is located at the southeast intersection of Wells Road and Yellow Water Road, north of Normandy Boulevard.

The current zoning for the site is PUD.

This was adopted in 2022, 2022.

The PED allows for um 1,132 single family residences.

The applicant has plans to remove some of the acreage from the adopted PUD, and as a result, the number of units would no longer be consistent with the density that's allowed in the RR land use category.

So, as such, the oh my notes just disappeared.

Okay.

As such, the applicant is seeking a land use change to LDR to allow for single-family residential, just to move uh forward as it's already adopted in the existing PUD zoning.

Um, so a new a companion rezoning is not proposed as a companion to this land use amendment.

The area around the subject site consists predominantly of residential and agricultural uses as well as parks and preserves, and through a series of land use amendments over the last 20 years, the properties east and south of the site uh have gradually transitioned from a rural agricultural character uh to more low density suburban character.

Um, the extension of the suburban area would be congruent with the emerging development typology of the area.

Um, and it would also allow for development that supports the growth of jobs at uh Cecil Commerce Center.

So staff finds that the request to extend the suburban development area to include the entire site is appropriate given the development trends surrounding the site for these reasons and others in the staff report.

The planning department recommends approval.

Planning commission heard this item on June 4th, and they voted unanimously to recommend approval.

Thank you.

All right, we have uh three speaker cards, Paul Hardin, Jamie Travis Leonard, Samantha Ceres.

We'll start with Mr.

Paul Harden.

All right, we have questions only from Mr.

Harden.

Next, Miss Jamie Travis Leonard is in opposition and Mark does not wish to speak.

Samantha Ceres, come on file.

I know this is gonna get approved, and that's you know, I just wanted to state on the record that I, as a person that's concerned about the environment and the disappearing of our natural land, I do oppose this ordinance.

I attend the St.

John's River Keeper events, and they do continuously tell us that we need natural land so our water can filter into the aquifer and provide for the residents of Florida.

I understand you see these ordinances as separate pieces, but they all relate to one another and they affect the residents of Florida.

We are allowing you know development constantly, which I understand we need more housing, we need diverse housing, and landowners have rights.

It's just that, you know, Jacksonville actually uses their water from the aquifer.

The Florida Aquifer gives to 90% of Jacksonville residents, and if we continue to cut down the land that filters into our aquifer, we're not gonna have it any longer, and we're just not gonna have water.

And again, I understand that this is gonna get approved.

I completely understand that.

I just want to say that you know, I think it should be considered our natural land as an important topic that needs to be reserved that needs to be preserved, that actually needs to be considered when we're doing these different land developments, and I just, you know, in the future, hopefully, you guys can think about that.

Thank you.

All right.

Did you wanna yeah, be very quickly?

Uh Paul Harden, 1431 River Place Boulevard.

Um, this project is under construction.

There's about 300 houses built on the site already on the way to about 1200 houses.

We've got about a fifth of the site, which is wetlands that are not being impacted or not being touched by the development.

This lowers the density still to just over two units per acre to the seven point seven units an acre, which is allowed in LDR.

So this is a very uh environmentally conscious uh development on the site.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.

All right, we have no one in the queue.

So we will close public hearing, bring it back to committee.

All right, we have a motion and a second on the bill.

No discussion, no speakers.

So let's go ahead and open the ballot court to vote.

Six yes, zero nays.

By action approved 226, 365.

Item number 14, 2026 366.

Let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Ordinance 2026 366 is for a small scale land use change at 4906 4800, 4788, and 4782 Yellow Water Road.

So we're staying in the same area as the last amendment.

The subject site is located on the west side of Yellow Water Road between Yellow Water Road and Yellow Water Lane.

Yellow Water Road is a collector roadway, and Yellow Water Lane is a local road.

The four parcels total um approximately 14.36 acres.

And the applicant seeks a land use change from agriculture, AGR, to LDR to allow for single family residential development.

The area around the subject site consists predominantly of residential and agricultural uses as well as parks and preserves.

East of the subject site across Yellow Water Road, a large single family project is in development.

That's the one that Mr.

Harden just spoke about.

And north of the subject site, a proposed single family development was recently approved for a land use change to LDR at the June 9th City Council.

Um the proposed amendment to LDR would allow for the development of an underutilized property for additional housing opportunities and adds density needed to accommodate future growth.

It also aligns with current growth trends, creating a more suburban development pattern uh around this area for these reasons and those in the staff report.

The department recommends approval.

Planning commission heard this item on June 4th, and they voted unanimously to recommend approval.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

We have one speaker card, Cindy Trimmer.

Good evening, Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive suite, 1200 on behalf of the applicant.

It's fitting that this lined up with Mr.

Hardin's application this evening.

We've both been working on this corridor for seven several years.

This is the last of the projects that I had in queue for this collection that are activating yellow water once utilities are run up and unlock the density.

Two weeks ago, you approved the amendment that allowed for the extension of the suburban character area into this area, which is what allows unlocking the low density residential.

So we are reconciling this last parcel to what has been approved to come online.

I will stand by for questions.

Alright, we have no other speaker card, so we'll close the public hearing, bring it back to committee.

Motion is second on the bill.

No one in the queue, open the ballot or court to vote.

Six years, zero nays.

Later action you've approved 226 366.

Item number 15, 2026 367.

Council members declare your ex parte communication at this time.

All right.

Councilmember Aries, you're recognized.

Alright, thank you, Chair.

On 615, I spoke to the applicant uh discussing the rezoning, and it's currently filed with the services.

Thank you.

All right.

Councilmember White, you're recognized.

I will declare exporte.

I've had members' conversation with this trimmer.

One of publicly thank her for working with me on this, and everything's been filed.

Thank you.

Councilmember Freeman, you're recognized.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I was asked to declare ex parte as well.

I've met with Miss Trimmer on June the 9th at 4 15 in my office when she described the details of this project.

Thank you so much.

All right, we have no one else, so I'll declare my ex parte on June 8th at 10 30 a.m.

and met with Cinder Chairman in my office and we discussed the legislation and the paperwork's going to be filed with legislative services.

With that, we will open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the companion conventional rezoning ordinance 2026-0367, seeking to rezone approximately 14.36 acres from ADR to RLD 60.

The original request was to RLD 50, and I believe this is what's reflected in your agenda, but the applicant is seeking to amend the application from the RLD 50 to RLD 60.

Uh the applicant is wanting to develop the property with single family residential, meeting the minimum lot requirements of RLD 60, which is 60 foot wide lots.

Uh staff has reviewed the request and finds it to be consistent with the comprehensive plan with the recently approved land use category of LDR, and it is in the suburban development area.

We find it furthest the goals and objectives of the comp plan by providing opportunities for development of a wide variety of housing types by area and consistent with the housing needs.

The property is located along Yellow Water Road, which is classified as a collector roadway and is currently operating at 6% capacity.

We find the proposed rezoning and lot sizes to be compatible with surrounding developments and the growth trends along Normandy Boulevard.

Just to the north, is recently approved PUD 2026 290, which was approved by City Council and allowed for 40 and 50 foot wide lots.

You also have Bridal Creek PUD just to the east that allows for single family lots ranging in sizes, with the smallest being 40 feet in width.

So the RLD60 lot sizes is compatible with what's existing out there today.

So for these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

The application was heard by Planning Commission on June 4th, where there were no speakers in opposition and little discussion.

And the commissioners voted unanimously for approval to the RLD 60 zoning category.

Thank you.

Alright, we have one speaker card, Cindy Trimmer.

Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive suite 1200 on behalf of the applicant.

As Councilman White alluded, we had come in with a smaller lot size that we were kind of trying to match up in the middle of what was approved for Bridal Creek over to the east, and then the larger the of the lots that were approved to the north.

Recognizing that this one is at the bottom of the development and there are some larger lots in the area.

We agreed to increase the lot size for this ask.

So we do request support for the amended application at RLD 60, and I am available for questions.

Alright, we have no other speaker cards.

No one in the queue.

We'll close the public hearing and bring back to committee.

The amendment would be to change the RLD 60.

Alright, we have a uh motion on the amendment and a second, and the amendment would be to change it from RLD 50 to RLD 60.

Is that correct?

All right.

All in favor of the amendment signified by saying aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

The amendment carries.

Motion and second of the bill as amended.

No one in the queue.

Open the ballot record your vote.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action, you've approved 226 367.

Item number 16, 2026 368.

Open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Ordinance 2026 368 is for a small scale land use change at 508 East 63rd Street, which is classified as a local road.

The subject site is approximately 0.11 of an acre and seeks to change the land use of the site from commercials, community general commercial, CGC, to medium density residential, MDR, in the urban area to permit construction of a single family residence.

The single family residence on the site was demolished in 2025, and the site is currently vacant.

A butting the subject site to the east is a property designated MDR.

MDR is also found across the street, mid block, and a block to the east.

Most of the properties to the north and to the south of the site are designated low density residential LDR.

The proposed MDR land use category allows for infill residential development on the site with existing infrastructure and utilities and is compatible with the surrounding residential uses along this segment of 63rd Street.

The planning department recommends approval for those reasons and for those in this for those reasons and those in the staff report.

The planning commission heard this item on June 4th and voted unanimously to recommend approval.

Thank you.

We have one speaker card, Chris Paul.

A marked in support and questions only.

So we have no other speaker cards.

We'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Motion and a second on the bill.

So no one in the queue, open the ballot, court of vote.

Five years, zero nays.

By direction approved, 2026 368.

Item number 17, 2026 369.

Council members, please declare any ex parte communication you have at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the companion conventional rezoning ordinance 2026-0369 seeking to rezone the property from CCG1 to RMDA to develop the parcel with one single family dwelling.

The property was originally developed with a dwelling, but um but was designated commercial zoning.

The previous home was burned down and demolished in 2025, so the applicant is just wishing to redevelop the property with a new dwelling.

While the south side of 63rd Street is primarily designated commercial zoning, this particular block is only developed with residential dwellings.

A similar rezoning occurred on the adjacent um property at 514 63rd Street, which is zoned RMDA and developed with a single family dwelling.

That rezoning was approved back in 2019.

Staff has reviewed the request, finds it consistent with the comp plan with the approved land use category and MDR, find it compatible with surrounding development, so we forward a recommendation of approval, was heard by planning commission on June 4th.

There were no speakers in opposition, and they voted unanimously for approval.

All right, thank you.

We have one speaker card, Chris Paul in support, questions only.

No other speaker cards, so we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Motion and a second on the bill.

No one in the queue.

Let's open the ballot.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action, you've approved 2026 369.

Item number 18, 2026 367.

Or wait, 2026 370.

36.

I don't know where that came from.

370.

Open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Ordinance 2026 370 is for small-scale land use amendment at zero Dundas Drive on the north side of Dundas Drive.

The subject site is located just east of I-95 and south of Bush Drive.

The applicant seeks to change the land use designation of the property from business park VP to light industrial LI in the urban area to broaden the permitted industrial uses.

Dundas Drive is a local roadway, and Bush Drive is a minor arterial roadway.

Directly north of the subject site is land that's designated as CGC, which runs east along Bush Drive and consists of commercial retail and service establishments.

Across Bush Drive is a large tract of land designated heavy industrial, occupied by the Ian Heis and Bush Rouing Facility.

Approximately 500 feet north of the site, one parcel was recently designated LI subject to ordinance 2026 0058.

The site is within an industrial situational compatibility area.

These areas are strategically located to provide access to rail facilities or trucking routes, serve ports, or serve airport multimodal requirements.

These areas are presumed to be appropriate for land use map amendments to industrial categories.

For these reasons and those in the staff report, the planning department recommends approval.

Planning commission heard the item on June 4th and voted unanimously to approve.

Thank you.

Alright, we have one speaker card, folks Huxford.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Did you say I'm the I'm the only speaker?

Yes.

Okay.

With that, we'll just ask for your support and stand by for questions.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Since we have no other speaker cards, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Motion and second on the bill.

No one in the queue.

Open the ballot, record your vote.

Six years, zero nays.

By your actually approved 2026 370.

Item number 19, 2026 371.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Councilman Gaffney, you got a slurry.

Go ahead.

Thank you through the chair.

Uh we're also declare Sparta.

I met with Mr.

Holzford in my office yesterday.

He asked me, did I have any questions?

Um, everything that filed by legislative services.

Thank you.

All right.

We have no one else in the queue.

So let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is the companion conventional rezoning ordinance 2026 371 seeking to rezone the property from IBP to IL.

The applicant is seeking to rezone to allow for a broader range of industrial development opportunities, such as flex wire housing or other similar uses.

The subject property is located along Dundish Drive, just south of Bush Drive and east of I-95.

The property is also located within the industrial situational compatibility zone, which are areas of the city deemed appropriate for industrial designation due to their access to rail facilities or trucking routes.

Staff has reviewed the request, finds it consistent with the comp plan with the approved land use category of LI and compatible with surrounding developments, which include warehousing and outside storage.

So for these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

Application was heard by Planning Commission June 4th.

There were no speakers in opposition, and they voted unanimously for approval.

Okay, we have one speaker card.

Folks, Huxford.

Thank you, sir.

Questions only.

All right.

In support, questions only.

No other speakers.

So let's close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Motion and second on the bill.

No discussion.

Open the ballot, record your vote.

Six years, zero nays.

By your action, you've approved 2026.

Thank you very much.

Why is it showing different on my screen?

Is that just my screen, Vanessa?

Okay.

All right.

That's all good.

Online it's like 293.

So you got the vote.

It's all right.

It's recorded.

I just want to make sure it's kind of took me off guard there.

All right.

Uh number 20, 2026 372.

Let's open the public hearing.

One speaker card, Jamie Travis Leonard.

Good evening, City Council.

My name is Jamie Travis Litter.

My address is on file.

I am up here to support 0372.

I looked at the location and it is all development.

I understand that North CPAC recommended denying because of the lot size.

They requested 60 foot, and then I believe developers looking for 50 foot lots.

I do agree I would prefer 60 foot lots.

However, my understanding is the surrounding neighborhoods are all 50 foot lots.

So it's not necessarily against the existing development in the area.

I believe this parcel is going to be developed one way or the other, and the site plan that this person has, excuse me, as entity has presented.

I don't see any opposition.

I personally don't have any opposition to it.

So I come up here.

I don't get it very often, but I come up here in support of development.

See, I do support it.

But thank you all.

Alright, thank you.

And we have no other speaker cards.

So we'll continue this public hearing until 721 26.

Item number 21, 2026 373.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Councilmember Aries, recognized.

All right, Chair on 615.

I had a phone call with uh Mr.

Divanel to discuss the uh seating capacity and the um service for alcohol, and it's currently being filed.

Thank you.

Councilmember Freeman, you're recognized.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I met with uh missing the trimmer on June the 9th in my office.

She uh described the details of legislation.

And this has been filed, let's say services.

Thank you.

All right, we have no one else, so I'll go ahead and clear my ex parte.

This is 373.

Um, obviously, I've gotten a quite a few emails on this uh from the neighborhood.

We had a meeting in the back here.

Um, I think it was after was it was during council last Tuesday.

Um, and then I had a meeting on June 8th in my office with Cindy Trimmer and Richie Mulaney, as he's right there.

Um, and this paperwork's gonna be filed with legislative services.

So with that, we have no other ex parte, so let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is PUD rezoning ordinance 2026-0373, seeking to rezone approximately 0.37 acres from a PUD that was originally approved in 2017 to a new PUD.

The applicant is seeking to rezone to increase the seating count for the existing restaurant, the local, um, to 120 seats and to allow for alcohol sales.

So this would be all alcohol sales.

So this would be a four COP license.

The owner also intends to increase the square footage of an existing structure to construct an addition in the rear of the building to accommodate space for a walk-in storage closet, refrigerator, and freezer.

Nothing else is changing with the site only expanding the seat um seats, adding full alcohol sales and a minor square footage increase.

The previous PUD was approved with several conditions which have been addressed with this new PUD, which is why we're not forwarding them on to this new PUD.

Staff has reviewed the request, finds it's consistent with the comp plan.

It has existing land use of LDR, which does allow for neighborhood commercial retail sales and service establishments, including the restaurant.

We find it furthers the goals and objectives and meets the internal and external criteria.

Surrounding residential uses are buffered by a seven to ten foot walls and hedges and setbacks will remain uh the same as is existing under the current uh PUD.

Uh the slight increase in seating um and therefore parking has been addressed by the 26 on-site parking spaces provided.

Uh there's a parking agreement with the neighboring parcel for employee parking, and there's 37 parking spaces within the right-of-way along San Jose Boulevard, which are available to surrounding commercial businesses to use.

Uh, we find the proposed minimal changes to the existing PUD to continue to be consistent and compatible with surrounding development, so therefore we forward a recommendation of approval.

Application was heard at planning commission on June 4th, where there were three speakers in opposition.

These were neighboring property owners who expressed concerns regarding noise from after hours maintenance activities and potential parking impacts uh resulting from the requested increase in seating capacity.

Uh the commissioners were generally supportive of the proposed PUD amendment, but encouraged the applicant to work with the community to address the concerns related to after hours operations.

Uh, but they ultimately voted unanimously for approval of the application as well.

Thank you.

All right, we have a number of speaker cards on this.

We'll start with the applicant, Mr.

Divinel.

Uh thank you, Chairman.

Steve Divonal wanted to drive suite 1200 here on behalf of the applicant.

Um as the as uh Aaron said, there's really three big changes.

One is uh the inside hours uh moving till 12 a.m., the number of seats going from 70 to 120, and then the ability to serve alcohol.

Um the increase, even with the increase in the number of seats.

We are by code only eight parking spaces short of what's required by code, and there are 37 parking spaces within less than a half a block of this location that are in the public right-of-way.

Um, the we went through a lot of uh discussion at Planning commission.

Uh, the neighbors had very detailed concerns regarding noise, and um, so what we tried to do is we came up with some good conditions that we shared with the neighbors.

We also shared with uh with you chairman as well as uh the office of general counsel to try and address those, and I'm happy to go through them very quickly.

Um basically we say that uh there was a wall, there was a concrete wall between uh the parcel to the west and and this uh and and the restaurant that fell down.

And so what has been replaced the wall is re what has replaced the wall are two fences.

And we're what we are proposing to do is to put sound uh panels on the fences as well as plywood to hold the sound panels in.

They wouldn't be in the view of either the house to the west or the restaurant, they'd be kind of on the backs of the fences that face each other, and we think uh that that will do as good a job, if not better, than the wall.

Um this is a uh a form of construction that they've used at the beach, uh, which has been very successful, and so we're proposing that we use the sound panels on the back of the fences that are located along the western property line and above the residence at 1299 Norwich Road.

The second one is that um we heard concerns about cleaning the hood.

Uh, when you have a restaurant, you have to clean the hood quarterly, and that uh requires outdoor maintenance in order to basically pressure wash the outside of the hood.

What we're proposing is that the restaurant would close early, both the inside and the outside of the restaurant would close early once a quarter in order to permit the uh hood cleaning to occur.

And then finally, we heard complaints regarding a door that closes uh very loudly, and so we are adding a condition that says we'll install slow close hinges on the doors that are located on the north side of the property.

Uh with that we've tried to address the concerns regarding noise and um look forward to answering any other questions you may have.

JC Dimitri and Ted Stein are both with me here this evening to answer questions and look forward to the conversation.

Thank you, Chairman.

All right.

Uh next we have Michael O'Neill.

If all the speakers want to come down to the front row, we have these seats reserved so everyone can kind of make their way to the podium a little easier.

You can set those right there, so get them for you.

Go ahead, Mr.

O'Neill.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

My name is Michael O'Neill, and I live at 1299 Norwich Road, which is the property directly behind the local.

The property was originally developed in 1957 as a convenience store.

Over the years, it's been a karate academy, it's been a dog grooming place, um, it's been a beauty parlor.

We've never had any issues with the facility up until 2017 when the local moved in.

The big issue we see with local is the fact that they have outdoor dining, which is literally just 10 feet from our backyard.

The outdoor um dining pursuant to the 2017 PUD was to terminate service to the backyard at 7 p.m.

with the backyard closed down at 8 30 p.m.

Unfortunately, that hasn't always been the case.

We've had instances with people talking and laughing outside until the restaurant closed at 10 o'clock.

Now they want to increase the capacity from by 71%, and they want to stay open two hours longer.

So that gives us real concerns about are they going to increase the outside participation by 71%?

Are we going to have like a tailgate party every night in the backyard?

This whole project is a bad idea.

It's a bad idea because it's in basically in a residential neighborhood.

And that's not the proper location for a business like this, especially with outdoor dining.

And we've talked with them about our concerns.

But we believe the more appropriate finding would be to not allow the amendment to keep the seating at 70 and keep the restrictions on the outdoor dining that we currently have.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Next we have Helen O'Neill.

Good evening.

My name's Helen O'Neill, and I've lived at 1299 Norwich Road for over 41 years, where my husband and I have raised our four children.

The Ardsley neighborhood was built in the late 40s and early 50s, and is a low-density residential neighborhood.

It's a friendly, quiet neighborhood with many young families with children and many families with grandchildren.

In your packet, there's a um there's some pictures that have a paper clip, and so as I'm describing this, you might be able to look at the fence and see the wall that fell down and other things.

Okay.

So in the city council meeting last week on June the 9th, I addressed the noise coming from the local restaurant.

Mr.

Dimitri wasn't here, but he was so kind to join us on speaker phone.

He listened to our noise concern and has come back with a proposal to install a noise buffer on their existing old six-foot wood fence that abuts the that abuts the 10-foot concrete block wall that they built on their property line.

Okay, this is the concrete ball.

This is the concrete wall that they built on the property line.

It is 10 feet tall, and this six-year-old picture is a picture of the wood fence that they want to.

So that's our that's our big green wall that fell on Christmas Eve.

Um, I would ask, oh, he's used it in the restaurant at the beach, and he says it works.

Okay, I would ask that the old six-foot wall that you see a picture of that was taken six years ago, be replaced with a new eight or preferably 10-foot concrete with a 10-foot wall that matches the end of the concrete wall, the 10-foot concrete wall that they had constructed.

Um you see the edge of the fence, and also there are spaces between the slats on that old fence and the and the restaurant patrons are right up against that.

I mean, I can walk through there and I you know hear the conversations and I see them talking and enjoying themselves.

Um, I also addressed the restaurant hours of operation.

Uh, it was stated that there will be no serving after 7 o'clock p.m.

in the outdoor dining area will be closed by 8 30.

I really feel that this is very important because by increasing the patronage by 50 people, it'll be harder to enforce that time schedule, that time rule of 8:30.

I would also also ask that there be no plans to enlarge the outdoor seating area because of the noise issue.

Thank you very much for listening to our concerns and offering solutions.

Thank you very much.

Alright, next we have Art Schultz.

I live on the left side of the local.

I agree 100% with the comments and requests that my neighbors are discussing.

My requests are simple.

Do not allow the outside patio area to increase in size.

Continue to close the outside patio at its current time of 8 30 and create noise barriers on all three neighbors' side to reduce the noise from the patio leaving the local's property.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Next we have Jerry Mahaney.

My wife and I bought our home 40 years ago as newlyweds.

And now I'm on the other end of it.

Love my home, love the neighborhood, had no issues until 2017, when the local opened up, and now since then I'm a disabled Vietnam veteran.

I've had four surgeries.

I sleep in a recliner in my living room.

So hear everything that goes on at the restaurant, uh power wash, level leaves off any time of the day or night.

Their customers park in my yard.

They park across the street at the Wind Dixie Care Spot and walk across the street, walk through my yard to the restaurant.

If I'm outside, I say something to them, they ignore me or give me an obscene gesture.

I see no reason for them to be able to add 50 more seats and to have a liquor license.

I don't see how that is beneficial to our neighborhood.

Thank you very much.

All right, thank you.

Next we have Deborah Mahaney.

Yes, I'm Deborah Mahaney and I live at 4562 San Jose Boulevard.

We've lived in our house for 40 years and we're a next door neighbor to the local.

I want to be clear that I'm not opposed to this business seating.

I support local businesses and I appreciate having restaurants in our community.

My concern is whether this particular property is appropriate to the for the level of expansion being requested.

The applicant is asking for three significant changes all at once, increased parking, a full liquor license, and extended operating hours until midnight.

Each of these changes increases the intensity of the business.

Together, they have the potential to dramatically change the impact on the surrounding neighborhood and is a substantial change from the scale of the restaurant originally approved in 2017.

The property is very unique because it is not surrounded by commercial development.

Single family homes border the property on three sides.

Families live immediately adjacent to the local.

We experience the effects of the restaurant's operations every day in a way that most customers and visitors do not realize.

The restaurant sits on a very small parcel of land.

The site already has limited parking and limited space to accommodate additional customers.

Adding approximately 50 more seats means more vehicles, more traffic entering and exiting the property, more noise, and greater pressure on an area that was not designed for this level of activity.

Extending hours until midnight also it means packs continue later until the evening.

When nearby residents reason reasonably expect a quieter environment and their houses and yards.

A full liquor license can firm can further increase late night activity.

And the potential for disservices, even in a with a business that is well managed, liquor adds to it.

As neighbors, we are concerned about increased traffic, increased parking demand and the effect of late night activity on nearby homes.

These are not theoretical theoretical, I guess that word concerns.

These are the kind of impacts that adjacent homeowners experience directly.

I would also ask for the council could consider whether or not a hundred and twenty-seat restaurant with a full liquor license and midnight operations is truly compatible with the property that is surrounded on three sides by homes.

Family, single family residences.

Compatibility with existing neighborhoods is an important planning principle.

And I believe this proposal pushes the site beyond what is appropriate for this location.

We invested in our homes with the expectation of nearby commercial uses would remain reasonably compatible with the residential character of the area.

Personally, my husband and I experienced hearing slamming doors, loud employee conversations during business hours, and noise of pressure washing leaf blowing all hours of the night.

We have experienced the loss of personal enjoyment of our property.

Thank you, ma'am.

Next we have Philip Parsons.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, for your time.

I'm a real estate broker commercial.

I've been doing it 40 years.

I've known the old Neils for probably all my life, actually.

Um irritates me about this thing that doesn't make any sense is the parking.

They built this thing in 19, well, 1957, they built it as a convenience store.

Now, convenience store is not a destination.

This restaurant is a destination now.

Changed the whole complexion of the zoning.

Put it wouldn't wouldn't approve of that.

So I think that's a very concern.

And the employee parking, I mean, how many employees are going to have?

We have 120 seats now.

You're gonna have to have you know 16 uh customers per employee.

That's a lot of employees.

I don't know where they're gonna park either.

They come in and park first, and the cages don't have a parking place, and they have to walk across the street, especially after drinking.

That happened over here at the other restaurant over here in Bay Meadows where the guy was crossing the street with this little girl and it got hit.

I don't think it's a it's a bad thing.

Another thing they have is noise and the smell of the food.

I think this is not not good at all.

So I wish you guys would deny it.

Um, I thank for your time, guys.

Appreciate it.

Okay, next we have Nancy Parks.

I want to speak more to name and address.

You state your name and address.

Oh, Dr.

Ralph Parks, thank you, Norwich.

Speak more to the safety of the uh clientele and the employees of the restaurant.

Uh having passed the restaurant hundreds of times during lunch and dinner hours.

The parking lot is full, and it's smaller size, so you're gonna be seeing people who have been possibly inebriating uh up to midnight, crossing San Jose Boulevard, old San Jose Boulevard.

Do we have to think back to the Patch family and the tragedy a year ago on the wicked barley crossing Bay Meadows?

Father and son were slaughtered by a racing car.

The restaurant uh and the parking lot is just not adequate for what they want to do.

Uh, and I totally empathize with the, though I'm not a close resident to the restaurant, I totally empathize with the earlier speakers.

Thank you.

All right, next speaker card is Nancy Parks.

You wish to speak?

Okay, she is in opposition, does not wish to speak.

Next, we have Mark Rizk.

Okay.

Is an opposition does not wish to speak.

Next we have Adam Colmia.

Good evening, Council members.

My name is Dr.

Adam Colmean, I live at 7-11 Alhambra Drive in the neighborhood behind the local.

I'm here today to speak in support of the seating expansion request for the local.

As a neighbor living nearby, I can attest that this restaurant is a responsible and respectful business, and they have proven to be excellent neighbors.

Expanding their seating supports a local business.

Well, enhancing the pedestrian-friendly walkability and character of our neighborhood.

So I urge the council to approve this application.

Thank you all for your time.

Alright, thank you.

Next, we have JC Dimitri who's in support.

Mark does not wish to speak.

Robert Nexel Jr.

is in support, does not wish to speak.

And then Nicholas Dimitri is in support and does not wish to speak.

So that is all of our speaker cards.

You can have two minutes for rebuttal if you need it.

Thank you, Chair.

Just a couple of points.

I think the main one is that uh your staff has recommended approval.

This is a permitted use uh in this area.

The space has been commercial since the 50s.

Um convenience stores historically generate way more traffic uh than restaurants.

The outside hours are gonna remain the same.

There is no increase, no request to increase any of the outside hours um of operation.

Um concerns about parking and noise and and incidents with patrons.

We had some conversation about that at Planning Commission and what we recommended then and would recommend now is that folks talk with uh JSO with code enforcement.

Uh the management of this restaurant, the ownership of this of this restaurant is committed to keeping the area safe, and they educate their employees and talk with their patrons all the time about being good neighbors.

And if there are exceptions to what happens periodically, then the neighbors should definitely call JSON in code enforcement.

Um I would say that uh the parking is very convenient across the street.

Um the changes that are requested are very minimal and fit nicely into this particular area.

Staff recommends approval.

We would ask you to do the same.

Thank you.

Let's see what we got here.

Okay, we got some speakers in the queue.

We'll go ahead and keep the public hearing open.

Uh so committee members keep that in mind as we're getting our questions answered.

So, first off, we'll go to Councilmember Aries.

You're recognized.

Alright, thank you, Chair.

Um Mr.

Diemanov, you don't mind please coming up very quick.

All right, so obviously you guys saw me um reaching out over there just to get some clarity on on some of these um PUDs, and there's been multiple PUDs in this case.

Um, the latest one was 2017, prior to that was 2015, and then 2000.

Um here's here's my biggest concern and and the questions I'm I'm curious about, and I had a here they are.

So uh we're only changing the inside hours, not the outside.

So the outside hours are gonna stay till it's still till 8 30.

I believe it's already, right?

And uh just through the chair.

So we're looking at well, you're you guys are looking at changing it to midnight inside, correct?

Correct.

Um, so if that's the case, one of my questions is why are we even talking about sound panels if nothing's gonna be changing on the outside?

That's question number one.

Um, and I understand this is concerns from the neighbors, so I just want to see, is there any issues happening right now?

The second part is um, and I haven't I've been to that restaurant once actually, um, like four or five months ago, but um what's this deal with this door?

I I have a restaurant.

I mean, how could how bad can a door be that it makes such such loud noise that it affects neighbors?

My restaurant is literally right behind hundreds of townhouses, right behind it.

So I'm trying to understand like how bad is that.

And then the set the third part is when you're talking about the the hood cleaning once every three months, is what we normally do quarterly, like you said.

Um you said that the restaurant would have to close earlier, but have you guys spoken to the community to see if there's any other hours without having the restaurant having to close?

Closing means less revenue, less pay a time to pay employees.

I'm looking out for the restaurant in this part.

Um, if I had to close early to clean the hood, um that would be a detriment to my business, right?

So have you guys talked about maybe doing um hood cleaning during the morning hours um rather than closing early, and that's one of the things, and then uh when it comes to the capacity, we're looking at you're looking at 150 seats, is that what you're trying to get to 120?

120, 120, right?

Um, so the biggest issue that I have here is the parking situation.

I see the the plan that you sent here.

Um what I don't want to hear is I and I'm I'm I'm deeply disturbed right now because I feel like we're using what happened off of Bay Metals as a reason to oppose this, and we can't be using that as an example.

What happened there was was terrible for our community, but every time if we have something coming up, we can't just use something as as severe as that.

I'm looking right here on Google Maps, right across the street on the same side of the street, actually, players locker room, restaurant and bar.

They're open till midnight.

Have there been any noise complaints from them?

I'm I'm looking at players locker room.

Have there been any noise complaints from players' locker room or the local at all?

Because if there have, then we have an issue.

But there have hasn't been any noise complaints from players' locker room, which stays open to midnight right now as it is.

Then I don't see why there will be even an issue with a local, especially if they're gonna be conducting business indoor, not outdoor.

So I know I sent you a whole bunch of questions.

Um you could elaborate as you please.

Thank you.

So the last I'll I'll go in reverse order.

The last one that you asked about regarding noise, we have not been able to find any noise complaints that have been recorded against the local.

There's one incident that was talked about at Planning Commission, which Mr.

Dimitri remembered that he talked with his manager about, um, those types of complaints, at least as far as we can tell, are not routine and they're not they don't happen often uh but we're sensitive to it.

Um I'll talk about the noise from the door that was closing.

One of the neighbors said that there was a door on the northern side of the building that's the employees' entrance where they go out when they take a break that closes and slams.

Um it's something that Mr.

Dimitri was fine to change it.

We can change it just by installing slow closing hinges on the door to keep it from closing and slamming behind the employees when they go in and out of the door.

So he's just trying to be sensitive to the request or the complaint that he heard uh at the hearing at Planning Commission.

Just trying to be proactive regarding the wall, originally there was a wall in the back between the property um at 1299 Norwich and the restaurant, and the condition in the 2017 PUD said that if the wall was removed, it would be replaced with similar uh buffers.

Well, the wall fell down, it wasn't removed.

Uh, but again, in the spirit of cooperation, a second fence went up.

There's still concern from the neighbors, and so Mr.

Dimitri offered to add additional sound barriers to the existing fences.

Again, to address the concerns and to make uh improve the buffer to be the same as or equal to uh consistent with the 2017 PUD.

Again, it's not a concrete wall, but it is two fences with sound uh dampening materials on either side.

So again, um he's just trying to be proactive and respond to the comments that we heard at Planning Commission.

And then finally on the hood, uh he spoke with his vendor, and it took us a little while to get back to the neighbors, and this is the reason why.

It took us a little bit to get in touch with the vendor who does the hood cleaning, and we talked about it going earlier in the day, we talked about it going later in the day.

Eventually, the best thing for the vendor and the and the restaurant tour in this case is to pick a day when they would do work after hours.

The complaint that we heard at Planning Commission was that um people were up on the roof at 2 a.m.

Um, if we close earlier, it prevents that late night activity on the roof because unfortunately they have to get on the roof to clean the hood, and so balancing the concerns from the neighbor, the restaurateur, and the vendor who performs the hood cleaning, closing one night every quarter is better than the alternative, which would be something else maybe in the morning or some other time.

So, very long answer to your questions.

Yeah, no, that's that's great.

Thank you.

Um, just to wrap this up, Chair.

So I I do appreciate the fact that every time we were up here, we talked about meeting with the community meeting in the middle.

So it looks like you guys met in the middle when it comes to the hood cleaning component of it.

Uh I'm looking at your hours of operations right now, nine to nine.

Are all the days going to be till midnight now?

Or are you looking at maybe only weekends?

Well, we we asked to go until midnight during during all days, and then 8:30 remains the same at night.

Sure.

Okay.

On the outside, I'm sorry.

Yeah, all right.

Um one of the things though that I did see at the players locker room that that I I definitely appreciated was that they do events, they have an events page, and um most of their events conclude at 9 30, uh, with the exception of a um live music, and that concludes at 11:30.

Obviously, you need time for people to pay their bat their tab and walk out.

Um, in my restaurant, if we close at 8 30, we're still obviously attending to customers.

So if you're if this passes and it goes to midnight, my question to you is does that mean everybody has to be out the door by midnight, or are you guys taking the last order by midnight and people are still there maybe to 1230?

Well, I'll let JC come up and answer the question about midnight.

But the noise question or the music question is our music stops at seven, so and outside there's no amplified music.

So that and that's how about are you guys gonna do music indoors in indoors?

Well, I think the condition applies to inside and outside that the music stops at seven, but um it's just outside.

Okay, so it's just outside.

Yes, so in that case, music stops at seven outside closes at 8:30.

So that out allows the time to wind down, and then um uh on the your other game, yeah, we get clarification on the final or you know, orders taken everything.

If you don't mind just saying your name and address, and my question was you're gonna have music obviously on the outside it ends at 7 p.m.

in the inside.

Now that you have this open to midnight, are you gonna still conc uh conduct music inside and if so to what time?

And then my other question was the midnight is that you shut down the restaurant, lights are off, or the last calls at midnight.

People are still in till 12:30, closing up their tabs, whatever the case is.

They can't have a drink on their hands past midnight.

You know that, right?

So I wanted to know your your thought process on this.

My name is Ted Stein, 5100 Dearwood Park.

Um, all tabs will be closed by midnight.

Okay, so like that's the one thing that we've agreed to at the beach as well.

Is how we're held accountable by that is you can look at our POS and make sure that all tabs are closed out by midnight.

Um, we haven't thought about live music time deadlines on the inside.

We don't do it that often, so it's not something that's really come up.

Um, and usually when we do it's smaller events, so that's never been an issue with noise or anything of the part, but um all tabs will be closed by midnight.

So I mean again it might take a second, but we'll have everyone closed out, no more orders, nothing after uh midnight.

Right.

Um, and so just to clarify, music and you don't really do live like live music at all until about 7 p.m.

is when it concludes inside and outside, just to cut out outside, inside that's not when it concludes.

I mean, we have we don't do it often enough to have that uh stipulation because we've had no issues.

We've done it past um seven in the past inside, nothing outside.

Um so we always try to be really respectful with um doors, especially when we have music in inside to not with that back door, okay.

No no questions for now, sir.

Thank you.

All right, we have no other speakers in the queue.

Excuse me.

Um, yeah, go ahead.

Councilman Gaffney recognized.

Thank you through the chair.

Was it a liquor component to this bill as well?

Uh it wasn't no liquor component.

Okay, so if we'll see maybe help me out.

I mean, I guess the uh Steve, can you explain that on the record?

Through the chair.

What that means is it's uh it's a license that you're allowed to serve alcohol in in association with a restaurant.

Okay, and right now they start and through the chair, they serve and right they save them with beer and wine around.

Beer and wine, yes, okay.

So they want to get us up to the liquor.

Okay.

Correct.

All right, thank you.

And in order to do that, they have to have a hundred and twenty seats in order to get that license, which is why the request to go from 70 to one hundred and twenty seats.

Gotcha, didn't you learn us on the okay?

All right, thank you.

Mr.

Aries, did you want to say something?

Yeah, you're recognized.

Yeah.

Um, here's my my thought on this, colleagues, and and to the neighbors.

I understand where you guys are coming from, but I'm looking at this as a not even a small business owner, but as a restaurant tour, we're hit left and right with so many high fees, labor and everything.

And sometimes, you know, that one little extra boost helps out keeping the lights on, keeping your employees um and just maintaining uh a great business.

In this case, they have three locations.

What I'm looking at here, all above a 4.3, 4.5 stars and above.

Um, I recently just applied for a floor COP as well, about a month ago, and um luckily I had the the seating capacity, but um it makes a difference for your operation, and in this case, the real reason why I'm not even having any kind of heartburn over this is because they have the place called the player's locker room, not even a stone throwaway.

They're already operating to midnight with a four uh full four COP, so that's where I'm not having an issue.

Had this been the only one in that neighborhood, I'd be like, alright, well, we're having an issue here, but because of that, I I'll I'll be willing to support this.

Are we going in there yet?

Yeah, I'll be willing to support this.

Um, and and primarily because of who they are.

Um, they're already they've been in the community for many years.

They have multiple locations all over Jacksonville, and they are good neighbors.

Um, and and they always have a good friendly atmosphere for families to enjoy because I've taken my family there in the past too.

So um I'll be supporting this one.

Just I just ask that if this pass that you guys are truly good neighbors, doors fix the doors, um, the but the walls in the back, whatever you guys have to do, because I think they you guys are together, you know.

So make them happy and they'll make you happy.

Thank you.

Alright, we have no other speakers in the queue, so we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to committee before we get a motion.

Um, I just have a couple of questions.

Obviously, this is in district five, right outside of my neighborhood, and my neighbors have come down here and shared their concerns.

So I just want to make sure um the sound panels versus the wall, where are we at on that?

Like I didn't hear any amendment, I didn't hear any um condition for that.

So can you is what are we doing on that?

Well, Mr.

Chairman, we offered um three written conditions to uh to Mr.

Harvey, and then we passed them out to staff.

So what we passed out we would be agreeable to, but yes, you'd have to incorporate those uh into uh a motion or an amendment to the legislation.

Okay, hold on a second.

Okay, Miss O'Neill.

Will you please come up or Mr.

O'Neill, whoever to the podium?

Okay, because this actually this is gonna impact your residence.

So state your name and address for me, please.

My name's Helen J.

O'Neill.

I live at twelve ninety-nine Norwich Road.

Okay.

Um, so the proposed condition that I'm holding right here from Mr.

Devanow says the restaurant shall install sound panels on the fence that is located along the westerly backyard rear property line and abuts the residence at twelve ninety-nine Norwich Road, which is your residence.

That's my residency, okay.

Is is that what you have agreed to as far as sound sound panels or did you?

I think that's fine.

You know, because he they said it does just as good, you know.

And um, so I'm fine with that.

My issue is the fence that they're gonna be putting it on.

You see the pictures of it, and I just think for cosmetic reasons, if they could make it so it's the same level as the concrete block, 10 foot concrete block wall.

Doesn't have to be a concrete block wall, a a fence, a wood fence that looks like if they're gonna invest the money to do all this for the sound, I would think that they would want a a fence that was a little more stable than that.

Okay, so the fence right now you're saying is like eight feet in the concrete on your side is 10 feet?

Well, they built the fence.

This is the 10-foot concrete fence that they built when and I started this vine over it because it was an eyesore.

And so on the other side of this wall is this picture that you see, because the wall just stopped, and then they built this they built this wood fence that you can see clearly with the you know, in this picture with the our 10 foot concrete wall that fell.

Does that make sense?

I'm having a hard time understanding it on these pictures to be perfectly honest.

Mr.

Divonau or JC, or do y'all understand the request?

Like I see the fallen green concrete and I see the wooden fence that was behind that.

And that that's the fence that's their fence that's on their property line.

So what what we would agree to do for our fence is we would we would take it we would agree to take it down and replace it with a 10 foot tall fence with sound materials on the back of our fence.

The locals fence would come down so we're just talking about one fence.

Right one fence 10 feet 10 feet tall sound panels.

Sound panels cool plywood on the back on the local side correct okay so uh item number one on the conditions I'm gonna make a slight change that says the restaurant shall install sound panels on the new 10 foot fence right okay um all right that's number one okay we have you you're good Miss O'Neal if I need you I'll call you back up and then condition number three the restaurant shall install slow close hinges on the door located on the north side of the existing structure is that the only door I'm assuming I'm seeing a bunch of head nods yes okay so we have the door hinge closing the hood cleaning the restaurant shall close both its indoor and outdoor dining area no later than 8 30 p.m one day per quarter to allow for hood cleaning okay um and what time will that conclude about?

Well we we had a uh conversation about it um in the green room and I think that the total operation takes five hours with the first hour doing prep two hours outside and then two hours inside to clean up so there are two hours that are outside um on the roof part of that time so if you close at 8 30 our thinking was if you close at 8 30 let's say the vendor's there a little bit late maybe gets there at you know at nine you got an hour of prep inside that's 10 couple hours outside we're trying to make it so it's not but we don't want to be so prescriptive that if the vendor gets there late because we're relying on a third party vendor we don't make it so prescriptive that we get ourselves in trouble.

What is it right now?

What is it what what is when do they start right now right now they start after it closes so they start at like nine or ten nine or ten o'clock at night which is an hour of prep and then they get on the roof okay closure so this conditions buying two and a half hours or so it's buying two and a half hours and yes and also specifying that it can only happen a qu once a quarter.

Okay.

There were concerns that it was happening more often than that but okay it's it's happening once a quarter.

Okay.

Okay.

And then we don't need to do anything for no outside seating being expanded that's locked in and the current PUD outdoor closes at 8 30 that's locked in music stops at 7 p.m that's locked into the current PUD right.

Yes sir.

Okay.

Okay.

Then as far as the parking goes um I know that's a sore subject so to speak but I think we're we're kind of boxed in on that as far as um any competent substantial evidence to overturn that so to speak and that's what I was asking Mr.

Harvey and I don't know if Mr.

Harvey wants to speak to that or if Miss Abney can speak to that.

Did you hear any is competent substantial evidence that we could use or regarding the parking you know trying to quote unquote you know massage that a little bit.

Yeah there wasn't anything presented that would um reverse um or allow you guys to go contrary to what the staff report is already identified Aaron can go in and tell you what the um requirements are according to our code regarding the parking and lets you in um lay down the foundation as to how this applicant has already met that requirement.

Okay, go ahead.

Through the chair.

So the difference between the 70 seats and the 120 is only going to generate or the need for 12 additional parking spaces, uh, because employees are going to be um they have a parking agreement with a neighboring parcel, so those are all covered.

So they just needed to find parking for 12 spaces, and then counting the 37 spots along the right-of-way, um, we found that that they were meeting the suff sufficiency of uh providing enough parking.

Um, and that's why we didn't have any concern with the the parking or the increase in seats.

Okay.

Okay, understood.

Um, so I have all those kind of things, checked off the listing questions.

Um I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to some of my uh colleagues here, and if I think of anything else, I thought there was like one more thing I had, but if I think of it, I'll I'll bring it back up.

Um I'll go to Councilmember Freeman for the first time, then I'll go back to Councilmember Arias.

Yeah, Councilmember Freeman, you're recognized.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair, and and really wanted to hear you speak as well, being that that was in your district, and so I I'm in a much better place uh with your line of questioning uh to the community one.

Thank you all for coming out.

Uh, I really appreciate when when citizens come out and they and they share their concerns.

Um but also I want to think uh thank the the vendors because to me, um sitting in this seat of judgment, which is a very hot seat and almost uh at times uh a very difficult one when um I see that there have been concessions made um on both sides, and so I think this is where it becomes a win-win um between the two groups, but more importantly, a win for the community because I do drive by there frequently and I see individuals and families particularly um that are really making some great memories.

Um some of the issues that you brought up I was unaware of.

I heard something about a door, wrote that down, it was resolved.

They're gonna put a hinge on it.

That was great.

Heard something about a wall, not once but twice.

Um and now it seems like uh the sound being put on it, another wall being raised 10 feet uh with the space, seems to be a concession.

Um the walking through the yard and my I I really hate that that happens.

I heard the same thing happening when we had Mel and Mushroom built eight years ago through the community.

I've heard of it happening out on the beach, uh, when it was a salty dog.

I mean, this is not a very uh this is not a new issue that arises in zoning, but the response that was given was the one that I was gonna give, which is enforcement.

And as much as I hate ever seeing people get in trouble with the law, unfortunately, good people make bad decisions at times, and we should not be hesitant to call them in.

Now, that is that of a fair burden to be placed on you.

Um I'm not here to I can't answer that, but I know for me if it's in my yard and I had that happen with JU students when I live in Arlington.

I call the president of the university first and then I call the police.

Um and those issues stopped happening in my neighborhood.

Um and then I just wrote down Metro Diner because I love Metro Diner, but it seems like every time I park in Metro Diner, I'm parking down a road.

Uh so I was curious, I was curious to see how you were going to respond to that because I don't even try to park in their parking lot.

All right, and uh and they have seating outside.

Uh so to me, the only other question I had was the hood, and and I just kept thinking of neighborhoods more so when I could heard hood, but you're referring to a fryer or something like that or a an exhaust fan that goes up.

My alternative probably wouldn't have been better.

I'm an early bird, I have a four year old that wakes up at about five in the morning.

So I'm sure that I may be one of the odd ones, but I was gonna ask is there an option that they open up in the morning early, do it and and do it earlier.

But I'm not sure how vendors those guys work in that.

But it seemed like there was something that you all were amenable to.

So those were that's just my observation as one that sits in this seat of judgment.

Appreciate my colleagues and their questions.

I'm gonna be fine moving forward with it because I do see some give and take on both sides.

Uh if you have other issues that you I mean, these close the public hearing, but there are other issues that come up when he gets the mic at the end.

Don't hesitate to bring them back up.

I'm still listening, but I'm in a good place, I think.

Uh for moving forward and continue that quality of life in the community.

Thank you.

Councilmember is recognized.

Hey, thank you, Chair.

Um so I had an issue in my in my district with the uh the block when they first opened up regarding parking.

Parking was a nightmare.

A lot of people were parking in neighbors' lawns, uh, business owners, other properties, and so one of the things that the block did great immediately was they took action.

They enforced it themselves amongst their patrons.

So uh Mr.

Freeman talked about you know enforcement.

I think this goes back to the local.

I talked about being a good neighbor.

You guys have to do your part as well too.

Educate your your clients to to tell them, hey, don't park here, um, don't walk in people's you know lawns.

Uh, be kind to our neighbors, those kind of things.

So the messaging needs to be conveyed not only on your social media but also indoors and have your servers, you know, talk to people because ultimately you guys have the keys to to really educating your people.

They don't.

And what's gonna happen is when they educate them, it's gonna be confrontational, and we don't want that.

So once again, just be good neighbors, let them let your your clients know about this.

Um, the hood cleaning part is still kind of uh an issue for me because I do know that for me it takes three to five hours depending on the time of night, and even if you guys close early, just they're still gonna be up there till one in the morning, and that's still gonna be affecting um one of their backyards.

I think it was is right right there.

So that's where I why why I talked about Mr.

Freeman brought it up again.

I talked about potentially having your hood company come early in the morning.

You guys don't open up to 9 a.m.

Um if they work early in the mornings, they could come at 6 o'clock, prep, do whatever the case is, and you guys open up at 11 o'clock in the morning versus shutting down earlier.

I I don't know, that's just my idea.

That way you don't really hinder their sleep because if you mess with my sleep, I'll be pissed off.

And that's really the biggest thing.

I don't want you guys to really mess with their sleep.

So if that's uh uh something that you guys could really talk about, I will really appreciate that.

If not, if you guys are gonna close early one of the evenings, what I would uh recommend is um because I know that you guys they do this quarterly.

I I do this quarterly, and and it's like clockwork.

I don't even have to call them, they come automatically because they know they have a little sticker and they have to be by the code.

Um but what I will say is maybe pick a day of the week, whether it's Mondays, and now you know every quarter on that Monday, they're gonna be doing the hook cleaning that way.

They're not surprised, and they know that on Monday, they're gonna have their hood cleaning.

So that was my biggest thing uh on that part.

Just be consistent with the hook cleaning and don't just have it randomly done because otherwise they're gonna have an issue with it.

So um I see you guys chatting back there, so you may be considering the morning hood cleaning services.

Um so I'll wait on that.

And once again, you know, the reason why I know this is because I own a restaurant, but keep in mind you guys pay the hood cleaning company, they're on your clock, you're not on their clock, right?

Again, Steve Debonell through the chair.

Um, we we spent a lot of time talking to the vendor vendor won't get there in the mornings.

Uh not really a good explanation for you tonight, but they just refuse to come in the mornings.

Um, but uh we can maybe knock it back to 8 p.m.

closing early, which then gives you four hours, and that gives you a good window to have the outdoor stuff done before midnight.

Um, so that that's pretty much the best we could do.

We we tried hard to push the vendor, but anyway, uh, so I think we had said 8:30 before.

So I think eight o'clock is is the best we can do.

If we go any earlier than that, that really takes out all of the dinner uh hour for that day.

So uh and again, we're trying to look for you know, whatever the the days, you know, Tuesdays or Wednesdays or days that aren't real busy, but it's the vendors just aren't gonna bend to us.

We're just one small restaurant.

So anyway, that's so going to eight o'clock would be the most that we could do, which I think we put 8:30 in the commission.

Okay, and then um, so to the restaurant group over here, just uh once again, you you guys could talk to your your vendor and just make sure that they know that when they're up in the roof or when they're in the back to keep you know their voices down to try to shut up shut up the equipment whenever they're not using it, although it's being used constantly.

I know that, but just being good neighbors is all.

Um there you go, Mr.

Carlucci.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

I wrote that uh down here as well, uh, going from 8 30 to 8.

So with that, I mean I feel like we've gotten this to pretty much the best spot it can get to.

And that was the other thing I was gonna say.

Uh Councilmember Freeman teed off on it and Councilman areas um as well.

And I've and I've been very upfront and open with uh business owner as well and told them look, man, um if there's issues, if there's code compliance needs to be called or call JSO, like that's the enforcement.

That's the enforcement mechanism.

And that's that's just the the system.

That's the process in which we have that's the lever that we have to pull as far as enforcement goes.

So with that, I need to get a motion on the amendments.

And if Mr.

Harvey, can you read the new amendment with a little with the tweaks?

Sure.

So the proposed amendments are as follows.

First, the restaurant shall install sound panel.

Uh sound panels on the new 10 foot fence that is located along the westerly backyard rear property line, and it butts the residence at 1299 Norwich Road, Jacksonville, Florida.

The second condition, the restaurant shall close both its indoors and outdoor dining area no later than 8 p.m.

one day per quarter of a year to allow for hood cleaning.

And third, the restaurant shall install so slow closed hinges on the door located on the north side of the existing structure.

You'll want to amend that and then we'll just okay.

We need a motion on the amendment.

Alright, we have a motion and second on the amendment.

No one in the queue.

All in favor of the amendment, signify by saying aye.

Any opposed?

The amendment carries.

All right, we have a motion and a second on the bill as amended.

No one in the queue.

Open the ballot, record your votes.

Six years, zero nays.

By right, you've approved 226 373 as amended.

Item number 22, 2026 374.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Anybody?

Okay, here we go.

Here we go.

Everybody's on the board.

Councilmember Freeman, you recognize.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh, I would like to declare ex parte.

I spoke with uh Mr.

Josh Cockerell on June the 15th at 12 30, and he discussed the details of legislation.

This has been filed with legislative services.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh Councilmember White, you're recognized.

Yes, sir.

Also, I spoke, uh declare export.

I spoke to Mr.

Cockerel yesterday, and it has been filed.

Councilmember is your recognized.

Alright, thank you, Chair.

I spoke to Mr.

Cockerell today regarding this application.

It's currently being filed.

Thank you.

Councilmember Gaffney, you're recognized.

Yeah, thank you to the chair.

I also spoke with Mr.

Cockerell about this legislation.

I mean to everything get filed with legislative services.

Alright, thank you.

No one else.

Let's go ahead and open the public hearing and get a staff report.

Thank you.

This is PUD rezoning ordinance 2026 374 seeking to rezone approximately 2.07 acres from CCG1 to a PUD.

The rezoning is being sought to develop the existing nursery to allow for storage of buses, RVs, boats, semi-tractors, or truck parking, but not trailers.

The subject property is located at the corner of Miller Circle North, which is the local roadway, and Pulaski Road, a collector roadway, and it's approximately 900 feet north of I-295 Expressway.

While the east side of Pulaski Road is developed with parcel zone CCG2, the west side is primarily zoned RLD 60 and developed with single family dwellings.

The subject site was rezoned back in 2019 from RLD60 to CCG1 in order to bring the historic plant nursery into compliance with the current zoning code as C CG1 permits retail plant nurseries by right.

The department finds that the rezoning from CCG1 to a PUD to allow for more intense commercial uses permitted within the CCG's two zoning district would not be appropriate or compatible with the surrounding development pattern, which is characterized primarily by residential uses.

The property is currently entitled to a variety of commercial uses and maintaining the existing zoning classification serves a legitimate public purpose by protecting surrounding residential parcels from potentially adverse impacts.

The department is not supportive of continuing to expand commercial uses along the west side of Pulaski Road.

Again, in order to protect that existing residential.

While the proposed uses would be allowed under the existing land use designation of CGC, we find that it we find that it does not further the goals and objectives, creating a balance combination of residential and non-residential uses, protecting city city neighborhoods.

With this, we do not find it consistent with the comp plan, and for other reasons mentioned in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of denial.

Application was heard by planning commission on June 4th, where there were no speakers in opposition and discussion amongst the commissioners was limited.

The commissioners found that the proposed rezoning for outside storage would be appropriate given the commercial and industrial zoning of the surrounding properties.

So they voted unanimously for approval of the PUD.

Thank you.

All right, we have two speaker cards.

First up, Josh Cockrell.

Good evening, Commissioners.

Josh Cockerell, 200 North Laura Street.

Thank you so much for the time this evening.

This parcel here is stated by staff.

It's approximately five acres located in Velaski Road of 295 there at the interchange.

It has been a plant nursery for more than 60 years occupying this site.

It is in the northwest quadrant of the interchange itself.

I do have the owner of the parcel here with me today, who I believe has filled out another speaker card.

It is currently CCG1, operating as a plant nursery.

It was retail for a number of years before they changed over to do uh commercial only due to the changes in the economy.

In addition, they provide irrigation services as well.

And looking ahead into the future, the owners of the plant nursery are looking to see as the economy changes as new homeowners are moving into the area.

We have a lot of growth as you've seen here in this committee in the north side.

I know on the west side as well, but particularly on the north side, we've had a lot of growth, both new homeowners, new subdivisions being developed.

There's a tremendous need to have a place to park your RBs and your boats and to store those.

I know I've seen them in my HOA personally as well.

Homeowners tried to come in, buy a new home and need a place to park it.

However, HOAs do not allow for such.

So they need a place to place these.

There's limited options in the north side.

This here is appropriate place considering the fact that it is commercial.

It is right off the interstate.

Logistically speaking, it's it's proper across the street from this this uh nursery itself, the CCG1 CGC zone land use is CCG2.

Uh has uh uh CGC as well.

It has a uh a gas station there as well as a liquor store uh and lounge uh smoke shop.

Uh so it's heavy and dense commercial uh to the southwest and southeast quadrants are industrial as well as commercial.

Pretty much when you travel around our entire city of Jacksonville.

When you look at the quadrants at our interchanges, you're gonna find these exact uses.

Your your your commercial, you're gonna find your higher uh higher intense industrial and so forth uses off the interchanges.

This is not uncommon to see such.

Uh what I've done with this PUD and including this use is I've taken out a few of the CCG1 uses that are already allowed by right in this PUD, and I've included the CCG2 use of the RV and boat storage into this.

I've also taken and uh made sure that we encoded into this a six-foot 95% opacity fence.

What you have before you are several examples.

I've given you a layout of the area at the interchange so you can see the zonings, but also gave an example off Main Street of Boomu storage that is also a PUD that backs up to RLD60, similarly, in which they actually store both RV and semi-tractors and trailers, so very similar in that regard.

Thank you.

And next we have Taylor Bratcher.

Um, I'm Taylor Bratcher, address 1193 Pelaski Road.

Um my parents and I purchased this property in 2019, which was formerly a retail garden center.

Um, from March of 2020 through summer of 2025, we also operated the retail garden center.

Once inflation and other environmental factors came into play, we decided that it was time to change our business model.

Um, since closing the garden center last year, we have been trying to find ways to utilize our property and maximize its potential without disrupting our neighbors or our community.

Our intention is to keep this property in our family for many generations, and by rezoning it to a virtually quiet business, we could continue to operate our irrigation and landscaping company and also offer storage for um residents around us.

Uh recently, there's been three apartment complexes and new developments have been built within five miles of us.

These new homespring residents with campers, boats, jet skis, and other toys.

The community comes with little to no storage options.

Um, understandably, as lifelong residents of the north side, we knew changes were coming to our area.

Under our current zoning, we could open up the property to things like apartments, strip malls, or other allowances.

Instead of being a problem for the area, we would like to be a solution for the rapid growth in our development.

Our family's goal is to not burden our community with these development being developed into these things.

Um we know our neighbors don't wish to see more of these items.

After talking to a couple of our neighbors, RVM boat storage was the best direction to move into without disruption to their daily lives.

Pulaski Road is changing very quickly, and over time we want to continue running our family business while securing our families' future.

Thank you.

Alright, we have no other speaker cards, so we'll close the public hearing and bring back to committee.

Let's uh right.

We have a motion and a second on the amendment.

Can someone please explain the amendment?

Looks like it's just revised as good at three.

That is correct.

All right.

All in favor of the amendment signified by saying aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

The amendment carries.

Motion the second on the bill as amended.

You want to speak?

Okay.

All right, you're recognized.

All right, thank you, Chair.

Um, yeah, I just heard the speaker and I I agree with her on that part.

Uh Mr.

Cockwood, just to confirm the boom storage across the street or wherever it's at.

The fencing you guys are gonna put is gonna be better than this one, right?

Yes, sir.

If I through the chair to council member areas, the example I provide of the boom storage is uh goes against the what the staff stated in their their report.

What we have is a similar pro property, if you will, in which you have a CC CGC C C G1 or a PUD that was written using commercial uses on Main Street up near the airport, closer to Airport Road.

Uh Boom storage is there, it has a chain link fence, and I showed you an image of it so you can see it.

They have RV self storage with a chain link fence.

Yes, sir.

But my question is Yes or a 95% opacity six-foot fence.

Six foot.

Yes, sir.

Much better, much more attractive.

Yeah, good than that, yeah.

All right, cool.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.

All right, we have no other speakers in the queue.

We have a motion and a second, so let's open the ballot.

Four years, one nay.

By our action, you've approved 2026 374.

Item number 23, 2026, 376.

Let's open the public hearing.

No speaker cards.

We'll continue this public hearing until 721 26.

Item number 24, and the rest of the bills.

I'm gonna read off sequentially.

2026, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, and 439 are all deferred with the public hearing next cycle on 721 26.

Which brings us to action item number 44, 2026 440.

Council members, please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing is staff report.

Thank you.

2026 440 seeks to permit uh permanent outside sale and service of food and alcohol in conjunction with an existing restaurant and billiards parlor.

This is uh for perfect rack billiards.

The subject property is approximately 0.19 acres, zoned uh CCG one, and the current use is a bar and billiards parlor, which were granted through E0624 and E0850.

Uh the applicant seeks to expand the use of the property to provide outside seating and services to customers.

The proposed use matches the established character of the area.

The surrounding Murray Hill Edgewood Avenue corridor already features several businesses with outside seating and service, including Fishware Brewing, Buckner's Beer Hall, and Boldbirds.

Uh features ample ample existing parking, excellent vehicle and pedestrian access from Edgewood Avenue South.

It will not generate excessive or objectionable noise, lights, fumes, or vibrations out of character for the commercial area, nor will it hinder future development.

For these reasons and those in the staff staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

All right, we have three speaker cards.

Corey Goff in support.

Questions only, Gary Goff in support.

Questions only, and Ryan Goff in support.

Questions only.

Hmm.

No.

Seems suspicious.

Just kidding.

All right.

So with that, we have no other speaker cards, no one in the queue.

Let's close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

Yep.

Do we have a second?

Alright, we got a motion and a second on the bill.

No discussion.

Let's open the ballot.

Record your votes.

Four yes, zero nays.

By direction, you've approved.

2026 440.

Alright, next item.

Alright.

Congratulations, Goff family.

So item number 45, 2026, 441.

Council members, please declare your export A communication at this time.

Going once, going twice.

Councilman Rare is recognized.

Alright, thank you, Chair.

I had a long conversation with Ms.

Trimmer yesterday, and this uh currently is being filed with legislative services.

Thank you.

All right.

I also want to declare ex parte.

I had a meeting with Cindy Tremor on June 8th at 10:30, and we discussed the uh application and the paperwork's being filed with legislative services.

No one else.

Let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

2026 441 seeks an exception to allow for an establishment which includes the retail sale and service of beer and wine for on-premise consumption, not in conjunction with the restaurant.

The proposed use is a cat cafe known as 904 per and poor lounge.

This increasingly popular business concept allows patrons to dine and drink in the presence of adoptable cats and kittens that are housed on site.

The cafe will operate in two parts.

There's a per lounge and a pour lounge.

So for the per lounge, uh groups of customers may reserve time in a private room with the cats before and after cat visits.

Customers are invited to socialize in the pour lounge where beer and wine will be served.

The point one seven uh of an acre subject site is located at 1200 Kings Avenue.

The subject site has a Florida master site file under the site name 1200 Kings Avenue.

However, no historic significance was noted.

The property is also located in the North San Marco neighborhood action plan within the boundaries of the Kings Avenue District.

There are two companion applications, WLD 2603, to reduce the minimum uh distance between the liquor license location from a church, uh called out believers in Christ Fellowship from 1500 feet to 770 feet, and a companion administrative deviation, which will be heard next.

The waiver of liquor distance was heard at the planning commission on May 21st, 2026, and was approved on the condition that its companions will also be approved.

Staff finds proposed use is compatible with the surrounding area and forwards a recommendation of approval.

All right, we have uh was there any is just one speaker card, Mr.

Acting Vice Chair?

Want to handle that for you, sir.

Oh, okay.

One speaker card, Cindy Trimmer.

There we go.

You good?

Okay.

Okay, go ahead, Miss Tremor.

Thank you so much.

Cindy Trimmer, one Independent Drive, Suite 1200 on behalf of the applicant who I do have with me today.

Amanda Crawford in the back of the room will be the operator of this establishment.

Casey did an incredible job so as to not repeat her.

This is the first parcel south of downtown on Kings.

We are between the downtown overlay where this would be allowed by right and locals tavern, which I'm sure many of us affectionately appreciate.

It'll be a less intense use than what is in the immediately surrounding area, and a great way to reuse this building that has been sitting vacant for some time.

With that, I will stand by for questions.

Okay, great.

We'll go to Councilmember Aries, you're recognized.

Sorry, I'll do the chair.

So Ms.

Tremor, I'm this is all new to me, right?

This is a first of its kind here in Jacksonville.

Um cats drink.

All right, just kidding.

Uh two COP, is that what I'm understanding?

Beer and wine.

All right, sounds good.

Yeah, this will be interesting.

Um, I was looking at to see if they fallen in the um the overlay that we created for the entertainment district, but they don't.

Um are they allowed to have outdoor patio drinking though?

Through the chair.

This property is built exactly to the property line, and the sidewalks are pretty narrow right here.

So there just isn't any opportunity for it.

Okay, sounds good.

No further questions.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh did we close the public hearing?

We did not.

Okay.

Let's close the public hearing and bring it back to committee.

All right, we have a motion a second.

We have no one in the queue.

Gosh, it's really hard for me not to make a perfect joke.

I was going to say this is going to make a perfect addition to District 5.

Um, yeah, I have no I have no questions, but in full support.

So with that, we will open the ballot, record your votes.

I'm pretty sure it's gonna pass.

Four years, zero nays.

All right, by your action, you've approved 2026 440 444.

All right.

Item number 46, 2026 442.

Council members, please declare ex parte communication you have at this time.

Councilmember is recognized.

Hi, Chair.

Uh I also um declared X4T.

I spoke to Miss Trimmer yesterday regarding this, and it's currently being filed.

Thank you.

All right.

I also have ex parte to declare on June 8th.

Cindy Trimmer was in my office yet again.

She brought like four or five things, and we discussed the application and the paperwork's being filed with the legislative services.

Councilmember White, you're recognized.

She was in my office right after your declare exporte has been filed.

All right, no one else in the queue.

You have another one?

Okay.

Thank you, Chair.

I see how the trend is you always meet with them, but you only call me.

It's okay.

I'm taking notes.

I'll take it up with that.

Oh, you didn't get a call.

I'll take that up with chase.

Thank you.

Well, never mind.

I'm not gonna make the uh I'll just drop it.

I was gonna throw them back under the bus, but I'll I'll I'll just yeah.

Anyways, okay.

Let's get a open let's open the public hearing the staff report.

Thank you.

2026 442 is the companion administrative deviation for the proposed 904 per and poor lounge at 1200 Kings Avenue.

The applicant seeks to remodel a vacant 5,236 square foot building built in 1950 into a cat cafe because the renovation triggers a 60% valuation threshold.

The historic property must legally be brought into zoning compliance.

Strict compliance with current code creates severe practical and economic hardships under current regulations.

The site requires 16 parking spaces, a loading zone, and extensive perimeter landscaping buffers.

Because the building occupies nearly the entire lot and was built up to the property line.

Meeting these standards is physically impossible without demolishing the structure.

The deviation serves the public interest by activating a vacant storefront within the urban priority development area.

It preserves uh San Marco and the South Bank's historic walkable urban character while utilizing ample surrounding public transit and JTA owned parking facilities.

The application was reviewed by the development services division landscaping section on May 18th and they recommend approval.

For these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

Alright, one speaker card, Cindy Shermer.

Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive suite 1200 on behalf of the applicant who is here with me.

Again, this is a historic building built to the property line.

I will just address the parking.

We are right on that King's corridor where we have the large JTA lot across the street, and then we are also immediately south of the overpass where we added the parking underneath the I-95 exchange.

So should not be an aburant on the neighborhood and would appreciate your support.

Alright, we have no other speaker cards, so we'll close the public hearing.

Bring back committee.

Motion and second on the bill.

No one in the queue.

Open the ballot, record your vote.

Four yes, zero nays.

Fire action you've approved 2026, 442.

Thank you all.

All right.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

And next up, we have number 47, 2026, 443.

Council members please declare your ex parte communication at this time.

Seeing none, let's open the public hearing and get a staff report.

2026 443 seeks to permit a reduction in the required minimum setback from the property line for a monument sign from 10 feet to 5 feet.

The site is in the RMDS zoning district, the Springfield zoning overlay, and the Springfield Historic District.

The point four eight acre parcel is located at the northeast corner of North Laura Street and Cottage Avenue, and it's developed with the church, originally built in 1923.

The church seeks to install a new monument sign at the intersection of North Laura Street and Cottage Avenue.

The need for the sign waiver arises due to the required 10-foot setback obstructing the entry patio to the church.

The waiver aligns with the general character and established development patterns of Springfield, where many historic structure structures are built closer to the property line than modern code permits.

Comparable uh monument signs exist nearby at 2034 Hubbard Street and 128 West 12th Street.

This sign will meet all other zoning criteria and must obtain a certificate of appropriateness with the historic preservation section, ensuring the aesthetics are compatible with the Springfield Historic District.

Located in a landscaped area, the sign remains appropriately set back from the roadway and angle to preserve visibility within the intersection site triangle.

It poses no detriment to vehicle traffic, parking, or public welfare.

For these reasons and those in the staff report, we forward a recommendation of approval.

Okay, we have two speaker cars.

Nicholas Hogan is in support, questions only.

Next speaker, Alex Alaire in support, questions only.

With that, we will close the public hearing.

Bring it back to committee.

Motion and a second on the bill.

No one in the queue.

Open that record vote.

For yay, zero nays.

I actually have approved 2026 443.

Item number 48, 2026, 472 has already been taken up.

And then the following bills are on second reading.

2026, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488.

And ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our final L U Z of the sort of of the year.

Um so hey, hey, hey, hold on.

We got some nice things to say about staff.

Sit down.

Just kidding.

But seriously, um, yeah.

Yeah, we were.

Now we're just gonna now we're just gonna skip Susan.

Yeah.

No, look, hey, I wish the rest of my soldiers were here.

Uh looks like we got the real crew skeleton crew in.

We couldn't have passed anything uh tonight without the four of us.

And Councilman Gaffney, if you're in the green room, thank you, I guess, for dipping out on us.

But look, I love this committee.

This has been fun.

Uh, this crew has been pretty much uh together, and we had a new addition.

Councilmember White, a lot of value added, a lot of good words of wisdom in this committee, sir.

A lot of good words of wisdom.

That was a joke.

Uh, there, yeah, yep, exactly.

But no, seriously, I've I've enjoyed uh being the chair, and I did get everyone a gift on it.

Should have been on the dais, little something.

So open it now or later, whatever you want to do.

And um, and yeah, that's pretty much it.

We'll uh we'll adjourn after we hear from Councilmember Johnson.

Well, I know you don't like to uh Mr.

Chair to take a lot of accolades, but good job this year, and I mean that.

Um, you've kept us rolling.

I wanted to say a couple of thank yous, first of all, to um Mr.

Chair.

We got Terrence in the middle of the year, and you came in, and I must give you kudos for that.

Like you just came in and jumped right in like a part of it, even with the Salem amendment.

They're kept out.

You you just continued to go, and I want to thank you for that.

I'm glad you're still here.

Um, to all of my committee members, this has been fun.

I hope I come back.

This is my favorite committee.

Um, and just because you are ascending to the vice presidency, congratulations again.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair slash Vice President elect.

That does not mean that you are still not a part of this.

Once L U Z, always L U Z.

So congratulations on your ascendance, but thank you for being such a great leader, and I mean that, and a brother.

Thank you.

Thank you, Council Member Johnson.

I appreciate that.

All right.

Councilmember.

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

You don't just get to come back and say niceties.

Unless it's about me, then you can do it.

All right, we're gonna go to council member.

And then you gotta go.

Oh, okay, all right.

We'll go to council member, then we'll go to council member Gaffney.

Yeah, uh, nice things about you.

Um I don't know what to say.

Uh, you're not late, so you okay, all right.

Uh, to the team behind all of us, obviously, you guys are instrumental to all this.

You guys have a world of knowledge, even when we just come up sporadically, like I did tonight.

You were just typing away, looking it up, and you find it right on the spot.

So thank you all.

Um, and also I want to give a shout out to Dylan.

He's not here right now, obviously, but he was a big part of this as well, too.

Um, so I just wanna, you know, wish him the best of luck.

Wherever he's at, I know he's in I know he's watching.

Where's he at right now again?

I don't know.

I don't know where he's at, but anyways.

St.

John's.

Best of luck, Dylan.

Well, there, yeah.

Um, and to the chair, obviously, you uh you you set the shift straight.

Um, but honestly, you're uh you you were doing like three committees at one point.

So kudos to you, man, for uh for really just doing a great job.

So thank you for that.

And to my colleagues, uh, you are awesome.

Even when uh my colleague to my right, his phone goes off from time to time.

It's all right, pretty loudly too, but that's right.

Wouldn't have it any other way, so thank you guys.

Yeah, he does.

I love it.

All right, we'll go to Councilmember White and then we'll go to Councilman Gaffney.

Yeah, thank you.

Technology has outgrown me.

It just does that.

But anyway, I want to congratulate you.

I've been on LUZ since 2018.

And you probably run this as smooth as anybody ever has.

So I'm gonna I appreciate that.

And I'm glad you're descending or sending up to the vice president.

You'll do a good job there, and thank you for the gift.

Oh yeah, yes, sir.

All right, Councilman Gaffe.

Yeah, so um, you know, Councilman Carlucha's been a pleasure, it's been a great year.

Um, like Councilman Aaron said, you pretty much controlled the ship.

You know, I don't think we really had that much controversial this year, and like Biz Kane and some other um legislational items, but you pretty much stay calm.

Um, you stay patient, um, you was collected, you pretty much um create an atmosphere of collaboration where everybody felt welcome, where everybody could speak, where we felt as a team, building continuity, continuity.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, um, just feel a little welcome.

And I think that's what I mostly appreciate, you know, about you in this past year.

So um of course you'll be missed.

You know, I was just thinking to myself, you know, what this could be gonna look like next year, whether it's us or somebody else, you know, di different every year you get a different leader and leader set the tone, and you said it in a good way to want to work beside you because you have leaders that you do not want to work beside.

So um I appreciate it for everything you do, and everyone else, I appreciate you guys as well, and as well as the teammates, you know.

I I think even though we gotta uh a chair person, you gotta have a great team to like bounce off each other and compliment one another.

You know, you we on this committee, I think everybody shared differences, you know, and different opinions and came from a different background.

So it made it a lot better, you know, in terms of the diversity in terms of what we brought to the table.

So um, but I guess we'll be looking for the next year.

Yeah.

Man, I hope I hope many of us uh return.

You know, L E Z is a special committee because we we know how each other thinks and we know e we know what other questions that each one of us are gonna ask that been on this committee, at least for for the last three years, I guess.

Um, so I love that.

It's it's definitely a special committee, and um and I didn't get my my thanks in to the to the staff, but yeah, you guys are always just Johnny on the spot, always Vanessa.

You two down there, all right.

Kudos, people are handing you papers, you gotta start the clock, you gotta do all that.

Yep.

So um it doesn't go overlooked.

I I don't want any uh any of the staff to ever think they go uh overlooked because it is you guys make our job easy, and I truly mean that and I truly appreciate that.

Um Terrence, you're still getting there, and well you're still getting there, you know, you're still getting there.

Um but you look sharp, so that's that's that's adding some that's adding some points.

Oh, Rebecca's out there too.

Okay, good.

Yep.

Uh she's out there.

Man, you guys are are strong when we get those hundred speaker cards that I know.

I know we get handed that stack, and I'm like, man, I'm so glad that these are in order because otherwise it would be a disaster.

Anyways, I'll stop talking.

Okay, we got some more things going on here.

Oh, okay.

Well, yeah, go ahead, Councilman Rus.

All right.

Um, curveball here, but um, talking about hundred speaker cards.

I have two ladies back here, Samantha and Jamie.

Uh so I also want to give you guys kudos as well, too.

Um, you know, you mentioned something how like you things are not overlooked and all that, and by you guys being here all the time, it really shows us that you really do care.

So just wanted to give you guys kudos for that.

Um, definitely we we see you and we hear you.

Thank you.

All right, Councilman Johnson.

Last one, last thank you.

We did not say thanks to our amazing uh officers and sergeants at arms.

Thank you for keeping us safe.

Sometimes I know it seems a little crazy, guys.

That's thank you.

You don't say much, but you pack a powerful punch.

Uh and I thank you for just being there for us.

It feels good when we can look and see you standing there, all of you, and I know sometimes it's different ones, so to all of you, especially those watching as well.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

And ladies, as they gave thanks, as Raul did.

I appreciate I we had some tough words, but as you can see, things change when you're kind of focused.

So congratulations to you.

Alright, I'm done.

Thank you.

Yeah, uh, yeah.

JSO, obviously, thank you.

And and it's interesting, whenever you become chair, they always ask, do you want JSO at your meetings?

And obviously the answer is yes.

Um, but for for LUZ specifically, it gets dicey in LUZ way, way more than it does in TEU.

No offense.

Uh but seriously, you guys just having you here, like it it makes everyone feel safe, not just us and staff or whatever.

It makes everyone feel like okay, if things do go sideways, we have um we have a way to control, get things under control.

So with that, what Randy wants to go home.

Oh, okay.

So that was my introduction.

So now I'm gonna go ahead and give.

All right.

With that, this meeting is adjourned.