Five years ago at this point, as well as some basic overview meetings.

So right now your base scope handles all the minimum requirements, so there will be community engagement, but it wouldn't be specific to character areas or specific to topics.

If you can articulate what kind of feedback you're after, like in your last tenure decennial comp plan update, the council chose to have a series of character area specific meetings.

If that's important to you, then we can take some guesses at what does a public meeting cost for a consultant to prepare it, how interactive it is.

If, for example, you're like, we want a dedicated website for the comp plan with interactive survey capabilities and X, Y, and Z.

If you can articulate what you want, how you want to get that feedback or what you're after, we can better help you refine and hone, like what would what would a supportive budget number be to get that?

Does that make sense?

The difference between the one that we did in 2018, like it's we had a lot more uh scope for the development.

Right now we are like it's more like a redevelopment than the new development.

So at least if we can focus on that.

And I don't know if we really need a meeting for the character area, because some characters doesn't really have any scope of development.

So if we were to do like just as an example to throw this out for the conversation, if we were to do, say, three town halls, north, central, and south.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

I mean, city manager, how would that affect the budget?

How what what would that cost the city to do something like that?

So one way to get a very accurate price on that would be to put out a scope that includes the ad alternate for certain types of additional meetings.

So like the base is the minimum requirements.

But you could say, hey, we're conceptualizing three additional meetings, north, south, central.

We'll help you figure out the location.

We want them to be what kind of like what kind of meeting.

Is it consultant just talking to you?

Is it interactive activities?

Is it visual preference survey where you put stickers on a map?

Um, knowing that the focus is on what areas might change.

A lot of Johns Creek, we just want to preserve and protect our amazing residential core that makes us the great study we are.

But there are some commercial areas that might change over the next 10 years.

So you may want to focus on that in those conversations.

Um I don't want to throw a number off the top of my head for what a community meeting costs, but that's how we figure out a number.

If that's all we have to go on and you want to put a number in the budget, we'll get some rough numbers between now and the end of your budget process of like what do these cost these days?

Because there are other planning processes we're going through right now that we might be able to peg those from.

We definitely are interested in that, but I don't let's wait for the feedback before we put a dollar in one to that.

So from a timing perspective, um I don't know if we'll be able to uh kind of flesh that out exactly what we want for uh the CLUP, like the engagement part of it.

But if we did want to, I what I was suggesting uh develop a plan uh coordinate with council to the the size and scope of that because I I you know 2018 was comprehensive.

Like we we did an excellent job.

Um I don't want to be biased to be like, hey, we did that in 2018, we don't need to really focus.

I do think we need to have a little attention on ShakeRag and the town center area because of all the development that has came up.

But I I do think we need to set the scope and then we can asterisk what is the excess above that 100 and K and allocate that from the surplus from a timing perspective.

So you would then in 2015.

Was it a massive order on from who is it was it overview?

It was literally like the we were deciding what the future of the community was gonna be.

Yeah.

Whereas things are the cake is a little bit more baked at this point.

But pardon me.

We're we're back recording if everyone could please use their microphones again.

Thank you.

So there's minor course correction, should I say not major overall?

Yeah.

I mean my opinion.

I think we're re-entering or we're entering uh more of a redevelopment phase, with the exception I'd say of shape.

And so just on the development rather than the new development phase.

Not not to short circuit anybody, but I've heard that there are several that are interested in you know what what additional a more robust process look like.

And that's all good.

Um I would probably encourage rather than debating whether or not we're that's the route we're gonna take, it's more about giving the staff and the city management some direction about what it is that you want.

Um so that they can come back to us with some numbers at a later meeting.

Is it good uh anything else you need from us, at least for now?

Um I think I understand your perspective of community engagement is particularly in the redevelopment areas.

I think understood the mayor's point about a north-south central, I think understood Councilman Coughlin of echoing kind of a combination of that of we need some options that help us to explore redevelopment and gather feedback, but maybe not in the areas that don't have aren't ripe for redevelopment.

I'd love to hear a couple more voices if the opinions are different, if it's just we want more community engagement, but if you have something in particular in mind or a type of feedback you're after or a type of issue that you want explored, that would be great.

So just if I could take a look at the do you want that feedback on this topic right now or the other thing is I mean, like no offense, but if each member takes 15 minutes, we're not gonna get to everybody.