0:00Let's go ahead and get started.
0:01I'd like to welcome everybody to our uh pre-council uh meeting for Lehigh City.
0:07The date is October 28th, 2025.
0:10Um we don't have a lot on the agenda today, but we do have some things we do have to go through.
0:17Uh we uh oh, as a matter of roll call, all our council members are in attendance here today, and we always start this meeting out with a prayer.
0:25And I asked Heather if she would do that.
0:31Dear Henley Father, we're grateful we're able to be here today as a city council and uh representing the city and being able to uh discuss things together to be able to benefit our residents in our great city.
0:46We ask the helming father to bless our residents that they can be Cape Safe and bless our our first responders and um our officers as they go about and helping and supporting us and protecting us that they can be under thy care.
1:03Uh we're grateful, Heavenly Father, for this great city that we're able to live in and the opportunity we have to serve.
1:09And we're thankful for being able to have this time of year where we can focus on the blessings that we have in our lives.
1:18And again, Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for all we have.
1:26We do not have any presentations or reports uh today.
1:30Uh that moves us to item number three, which is the agenda questions.
1:34Are there any questions on the agenda tonight?
1:39We haven't had that one this short for quite some time.
1:43So there's no questions.
1:46Administrative report.
1:50Do you want to make excuses where our other administrators are tonight?
1:56So that's why Bo is representing thank you for being here and not there because you're dedicated.
2:09I'll make sure I pass that note on.
2:17Uh, in absence of an administrative report, uh, mayor and council, let's bring it up here.
2:22Do you have anything on your re-individual assignments to report on?
2:26anybody started this meeting at 545 or 645.
2:36So this is one we have to have.
2:38We do have to have a closed door session.
2:40Uh so um apologize for anybody who's wondering why we're going to have to leave the room in a moment, but we will.
2:47I won't take a motion.
2:48This is for uh imminent litigation.
2:59And potential litigation.
3:03I will take a motion.
3:05Mayor, I make a motion that we excuse into a closed meeting for the purchase exchange or lease of property pending or reasonably imminent litigation, the character, professional competence, or the physical or mental health of an individual or the deployment of security personnel devices or systems or real estate or real estate.
3:24I have a motion to go into the closed door session.
3:29All those in favor say aye.
3:31We will be retiring in the room directly behind us, and then we'll come back before the next meeting.
3:41We'd like to welcome to welcome you to our Lehigh City Council meeting.
3:45The date is October 28th, 2025.
3:47This regular session uh portion of the agenda.
3:51Uh like to note that all our city council members are here.
3:55I do not know where Heather at this is at this moment, but I anticipate she'll be coming in and sitting down very soon.
4:02Uh, but I'm going to have to leave leave after item two, and I'm going to be turning it over to our mayor pro tem to finish this meeting because I have another meeting up in Salt Lake, but I wanted to stay here for item number two.
4:17Uh so that being said, I have asked Chris if he would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
4:24Um, if the audience would stand.
4:29I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it's one nation under God.
4:38Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
4:48Item uh 2.1 is our epilepsy awareness proclamation.
4:55Sorry, you want to come up and stand up here and tell us a little bit about what this is all about.
5:00Tell everybody here so they can hear you.
5:02First of all, thank you so much for advocating and providing awareness for epilepsy.
5:08Epilepsy is the neurological disorder that affects more than 34,000 Utahs and then the thousands of others who are otherwise afflicted.
5:16Each year, I've asked the city council and the mayor to give this proclamation to bring attention to advocate for epilepsy awareness.
5:26And thank you again for doing so.
5:28Oh, I'm tickled to do it.
5:30This is this is one of my many few highlights through the year.
5:34As I get to do this proclamation, I'm gonna read it.
5:36I've done it, I think every year since I've been here as mayor.
5:40So and it was important.
5:41I did I literally had a meeting at 6 at 6 p.m.
5:44tonight till eight up at Salt Lake, and I'm leaving here to catch the last half hour of that meeting.
5:48But I wanted to be here for this.
5:50That's how important it is.
5:51So uh I with that being said, I will read the proclamation uh because epilepsy awareness month is November 2025.
6:00Whereas epilepsy is an incurable brain disorder that causes people to have recurring seizures, whereas epilepsy is the third most common neurological condition, and one in 26 people in the United States will develop epilepsy in his or her lifetime due to genetics, traumatic brain injury, illness, unknown causes, and more.
6:20Whereas epilepsy uh afflicts 3.4 million Americans with nearly 34,000 of them being untons.
6:31Uh, millions more are affected, such as families, caregivers, friends, teachers, and more.
6:37Whereas a wise widespread lack of understanding and knowledge about epilepsy often cause people, particularly children and youth, to fear, isolate, stigmatize, and bully their peers who are uh afflicted with epilepsy and other seizure disorders.
6:55And whereas the city of Lehigh joins November 2025 as Epilepsy Awareness Month, a global national and state effort to increase awareness, educate residents of Lehigh about epilepsy, and lend support to people with epilepsy and their families in order to improve their quality of life.
7:14Now, therefore, by proclamation, uh of Mayor Mark Johnson and the city council members, Paige Albrecht, Chris Condie, Paul Hancock, Heather Noah, and Michelle Stallings.
7:25Dated the 28th day of October, 2025.
7:28And I will sign this now.
7:32Got a pen that works.
7:44Yes, now we're gonna get a photo up.
7:58Bring anybody else up you want.
8:00Let's get them all up here.
8:02If you want, yeah, why not?
8:06Yeah, so take a photo.
8:20Okay, thank you very much.
8:21Let me take a picture just okay.
8:30Okay, yeah, let's be careful.
8:34I'll just put that off.
8:35I'm gonna make it line it up so it looks like it is.
9:06You can either come to this seat or stay back there, whichever you want to do.
9:24Thank you for coming, everyone.
9:26Um, we will move on to item three, as we usually do, and take 20 minutes of citizen input.
9:32We do ask that you keep your comments if possible to three minutes.
9:35And if you have come to address another item that's on the agenda, we ask you to wait until that time when that comes up.
9:42Is there anyone who would like to speak?
9:46If you'll state your name for the record, please.
9:48Vern Keysler, Lehigh City resident, only for the past 20 plus years.
9:53Hey, I wanted to say thank you.
10:00Uh too bad Mayor Johnson left, but he has served this community for 25 plus years, either between planning commission, city council, and mayor, and I wanted to publicly thank him for his wonderful service.
10:10I get to see him in action mostly in the transportation world.
10:14And he's a strong advocate for transportation issues here in Lehigh.
10:19Also wanted to thank you, because you never know when seats are going to change, right?
10:24With an upcoming election or whatnot.
10:26Thank you for your service.
10:28Now, I want to brag about your professional staff just a little bit.
10:32There's a couple of sidewalk projects been I call gap projects that have been completed in the last year or two.
10:39One of them is just west of or just east of Sky Ridge High School on 3200 north.
10:46That was two or three lots.
10:48When you have safe routes for school kids and school children.
10:52That benefits three schools that are Renaissance, Sky Ridge, and Eagle Crest.
10:59You have safe routes for everybody.
11:01Same thing on 2600 North.
11:03There were two lots just across from the public works um ponds, irrigation ponds.
11:11Those have been done too.
11:12And that's mostly benefit the Eagle Crest elementary students, but again, it benefits everybody.
11:21Finally, I wanted to call out Lauren Powell, our city engineer who's had the vision to put out and and to plan along with the Transportation Master Plan and those that that have the general plan, Kim Struthers and others, Brad Kinnison, Luke Segmiller.
11:38Sixth East is about done.
11:41That's an awesome project.
11:42And it was a vision project that Lauren had many, many years ago.
11:47I think people said, Oh, that's too expensive, or we won't get that through.
11:53And uh that's gonna benefit uh traffic circulation and connectivity for Lehigh residents.
12:00Finally, the parks that you have built.
12:04The funding that the city council has allocated for the staff to implement those parks uh and improve other parks in the city.
12:16Um so I just wanted to come up here.
12:18I'm sure you hear other opinions about other things a lot of times.
12:23Tonight is just a night of saying thank you and gratitude.
12:27Appreciate you and your professional staff.
12:31I'm sure the council would agree with you that our staff is second to none.
12:34So we appreciate the comments.
12:36Is there anyone else who would like to speak this evening?
12:48My name is Lily Leighton.
12:49Um, there's a road by my house.
12:51It's on 900 north between 1700 east and 1200 east, and it's kind of shaped like an hourglass.
12:58There's an area that's a lot narrower than the rest of it.
13:01And it's very unsafe for both new drivers and experienced drivers because people have a tendency to speed there.
13:08I'm pretty sure it's a county road, but is there anything that can be done to widen the road at all?
13:12I'm gonna ask engineering Julian here.
13:15Tell us the address again, please.
13:17Uh it's on 900 north in between 1700 east and 1200 east.
13:22It's yeah, that's a quick question.
13:25So is that that's where the homes, the homes come to an end right there at 1700, right?
13:29When you get to 900 north, is that right?
13:32On nine north until you get to 17.
13:36Yeah, and it's it's sidewalk and everything that creates that curve, the hourglass, right?
13:40No, there's no sidewalk, so like sidewalk, and then there's like a gap where there's just like rocks and stuff, and there's no like road at all.
13:48And then it goes back to sidewalk.
13:51Part of that is county.
13:53We haven't been looking at it.
13:59Yeah, part of it is county.
14:01Uh and uh we have been looking at it.
14:04It's just a tough piece.
14:05It's got a an irrigation ditch on the south side that and uh some of those people aren't anxious to have walk and curve in front of their place.
14:15So maybe some property acquisition probably.
14:16Yeah, there's definitely some property acquisition issue.
14:19Kim, do you have anything to add?
14:20It's definitely on our radar.
14:23We appreciate you bringing it to our attention.
14:25All right, thank you.
14:35Uh, my name is Rachel Anderson, and so we're implementing flex lanes onto Pioneer Crossing.
14:44And as far as I'm aware, there's not gonna be much of a barrier.
14:49And I just have worry about like the increased risk of like head-on collisions because of that.
15:00Um I know some like places with flex lanes, they have like movable barriers or like other things implemented so that that kind of decreases that risk.
15:05So like I don't know if you guys have any like influence over like you dot to like um implement stuff like that and just consider the safety of our drivers with our new with the new flex lanes that people will have to get used to.
15:22That's no, I appreciate that comment.
15:24I think we're all sort of waiting to see how the flex lane implementation goes.
15:28Um, but I do know that they have to adhere to national standards in terms of safety and things like that.
15:33Um but I appreciate you bringing it forward.
15:35And we'll see how the implementation is.
15:38It's gonna be um a little bit different on there, isn't it?
15:41I'm I'm hoping it does some good things for traffic for sure.
15:44And I like that the speed limit was lowered this week for the construction work too.
15:49All right, thank you.
15:50Is there anyone else who has a comment?
16:01Anyway, so I'm a union rep.
16:04Um, seeing that you guys are having plans to build the Lehigh a little bit better on my behalf.
16:10Uh, we do have a work with Union Carpenters.
16:12We do have a lot of young people that try to get in their trade.
16:15But if it's real difficult right now with all these subcontractors, I just wish that uh you could uh think about us and the future projects coming up.
16:25Uh, we do have a foreman from DAW construction and a couple of employees.
16:28I live in the city of Lehigh.
16:30So that's just my my thought out there to bring the new kids of the young blood to this kind of trade.
16:44Hi, Maxwell Yingling right here.
16:46Um, so I don't know.
16:48There's a lot of issues with transportation and stuff like that.
16:51I mean, I feel like that's the only thing you guys really hear a lot.
16:54But I've just been noticing.
16:55We drive the roads too, you're good.
16:57It's just it's all over the place.
16:58Utah's constantly doing construction and stuff.
17:00But anyways, uh on State Street and a lot of similar um major streets like that and whatever, right?
17:06Like the sidewalk, it just seems to like end and stuff like that.
17:10And I've seen a lot of people who are like trying to travel throughout the area and whatever, right?
17:14Either whether it be like homeless people or whatever, or just people who need to use city transportation, like buses and stuff like that.
17:21They can't get to the place they want to go without a lot of risk and whatever of going on those major roads because the sidewalk just seems to like end right there.
17:29And so I think it would be really nice to implement um the ability for uh pedestrians to safely be able to walk to all those different stops without having to go into major traffic and stuff like that.
17:44Um we love it when the students come because you guys, I mean, you're perceptive.
17:49You guys see things that maybe um we don't.
17:51So I appreciate you bringing that forward.
17:53Um, especially I mean, with public transportation, there's a lot of work going on with that right now.
18:01Would anyone else like to speak?
18:05I'll bring it up here again to the council and we'll move on to the consent agenda.
18:13I think we just have the one item on the consent agenda.
18:16So council, uh, are there any questions on that?
18:19If not, I'll hear a motion.
18:22I uh move that we approve the consent agenda as presented.
18:28Are there any questions on the motion?
18:31Well, um, all those in favor.
18:33Oh, yes, all those in favor say aye.
18:37Moving on to the regular agenda, item number five, consideration of resolution number 2025-75.
18:44Granting Summit IG Utah, a non-exclusive franchise to operate a telecommunications network in Lehigh City.
18:51And do we have someone here representing them or is that you, Ryan?
18:54Well, I'll introduce it.
18:55We do have Steve Ragland who's joining us virtually.
18:58Because he's out of state.
18:59Um, if you have any specific questions.
19:02It's been a little while since we've have done one of these, but there's nothing remarkable about the terms and conditions of this telecommunications franchise agreement that you haven't seen before.
19:12So unless you have any questions, I'll I'll leave it at that.
19:16Anyone have any questions for staff?
19:19And I'm ready to hear a motion.
19:24Mayor Potem, I'll make a motion that we approve resolution 2025-75 as presented.
19:39This is by resolution, so I'll take a roll call vote.
19:46And that passes unanimously.
19:48Thank you, everyone.
19:49Let's move on to item number six.
19:54Uh resolution number 2025-76.
20:01Yeah, so we're doing a budget amendment now.
20:04We usually do three or four of these during the year.
20:07Um, I think all of these are pretty straightforward.
20:09I'll just review them really quickly.
20:12Um, the first section, those are all things, and we do this every year when we have capital projects.
20:16So sometimes people understand when we have a capital project, we budget it, but a lot of times those span over two or three years, and the budget doesn't automatically roll forward.
20:26We need to have a motion or uh a budget amendment to roll that forward.
20:30So that first section is all just related to those projects, projects that were previously budgeted, the years ended.
20:36We need to budget that same money, so it's not it's not new money.
20:40Um, but I did notice uh on the last one on the library city hall, obviously 10 million plus six million doesn't equal 10 million.
20:48So I just typed a zero instead of a six.
20:50So I apologize for that.
20:55And we've had a it says do we did a budget amendment last year for a couple of insurance claims.
21:01This is there was another large one that I didn't put in.
21:05So this is paying that out and paying that out of out of our reserves.
21:10Um the other one is the fire grant.
21:14The chief has was able to get a grant, and I believe it has to do with mental health for firefighters.
21:19If I have the right one, yeah.
21:21So same thing, even though we get the money and it's there, we still have to get have the council authorized authorize its um its expenditure.
21:31Um the purchase of the land proper or the power, the property next to the power, no, the property next to the power department.
21:39So we've talked about that several times.
21:40That's just to get that in the budget.
21:42And then their thing is um with the new library opening very soon, they needed some more money for books.
21:50And so we have the Coomer Trust funding that that's what that money is for.
21:54And so we're just budgeting to spend some of that money to help get our shelves full when it opens.
22:01Is there any questions?
22:02That's a fun thing to spend money on for sure.
22:05I'm excited about that.
22:06Can I ask some questions?
22:07Yes, please go ahead.
22:08Um, so in the library one, the the amended budget, which is 275.
22:13Is that the amount that's accruing?
22:15Is that the total amount that's accruing the that the interest is accruing on?
22:19Or they have an amount every year for book purchases, which is 225.
22:24We're gonna add, we're gonna take 50 out of the Coomer open funds and add it.
22:30Just want to make sure I got that.
22:33Are there any other questions?
22:36Very well, I'll hear a motion.
22:38We need a public hearing.
22:39Oh, we do need a public hearing.
22:40Thank you for reminding me.
22:42Is there anyone from the public who would like to speak to this item?
22:48Now I'm ready for a motion.
22:51Mayor Pro Tem, I make a motion that we approve uh resolution 2025-76, a budget amendment to the fiscal year 2026 budget.
23:04We're giving it to Chris.
23:07Um are there any questions on the motion?
23:09I don't know why there would be.
23:11All right, then in that case, I'll take roll call again.
23:14I'll vote yes, Chris?
23:19That passes unanimously.
23:21And we will move on to agenda item number seven, power systems impact fee amendments.
23:28Yeah, so I'm just going to introduce.
23:29So we have Susie Becker with Science Public Finance.
23:32She's the one that's done uh the impact fee analysis.
23:37And uh she's very well versed in the law.
23:40And uh our power department and our contract engineer, and have been working for several months on this.
23:47So I'm gonna let Susie present.
23:49Um, just so I think we all understand impact fees or how we are able to fund growth-related infrastructure.
23:57And uh as far as the details on the engineering, I that's that's not me.
24:02But we're gonna let Susie present and then ask questions and then we'll have to have a public question direction here.
24:10Thanks so much for letting us work um with you in the city.
24:13I would love to be there tonight, but I am out of state as well tonight.
24:17Um, Dean, are you gonna show the PowerPoint that I sent?
24:21Um, should I share my screen or should I just talk about it?
24:25How do you feel about that?
24:26Let's ask the folks here.
24:28She could share her screen, or would you just would it be easier?
24:33Can you try to share your screen first?
24:35We have it here if we need to, or if it looks like it's coming.
24:40Yeah, this looks you've got it.
24:45Let's um let's see if that will work then.
24:54Um, so just quickly, what is an impact fee?
25:00It's a one-time fee, it's charge to new development, and it's only to offset the capital costs associated with new development, not operating costs.
25:05And then the law further defines that we can only cover the cost of system improvements, not project improvements.
25:11And then, of course, the law doesn't define the difference between them, but generally speaking, system improvements are larger scale um improvements that benefit the city, the residence as a whole, whereas project improvements would just be small lines or something that would just go to um to individual homes or that they're they're just smaller, they only benefit like a small area, one development.
25:34And if you want to know all about them, it's in Utah Code 1136A.
25:39We have to have two documents, the impact fee facilities plan and an impact fee analysis.
25:43Now, Zion's we only wrote the impact fee analysis.
25:48The first document is the impact fee facilities plan.
25:51And I just want to pay tribute here to Mike, who I worked with.
25:54Um, and I know we all miss him, and he was wonderful to help put this IFFP together and to help walk me through some of the technical calculations.
26:05Anyway, um, so what the IFFP has to do is talk about what are our serving service levels now, and then what kind of demand growth are we going to see?
26:15And oh goodness, what are we going to do to maintain those service levels?
26:19Well, we really have two options.
26:20We have excess capacity that we can buy into, or we can build new facilities or a combination of both.
26:27That's what the impact fee facilities plan does.
26:29It's often considered the technical, the engineering document.
26:33Um, it will deal with the new projects, the cost, the capacity, all of that in electrical power terms.
26:40So then on the IFA, which is what Zions does, it's the financial document.
26:46So we take that information, we build right off the IFFP.
26:50The IFA comes after the IFFP, and we do a proportionate share analysis.
26:56Um, we divide into with development within the next six to ten years.
27:01How much capacity is it going to consume?
27:03How much of that can we, you know, how what was the cost of our existing excess capacity?
27:08Because the FP will tell us what the excess capacity is, and we'll look at the cost, we'll allocate it.
27:13We'll look at allocating the construction costs and new facilities and other costs like this study, but then the financing bonds, credits, any of that type of thing is taken care of in the financial document, the IFA.
27:27So let's look at the very first thing that comes from the IFFP.
27:31Look as you know, as you look at this growth in your customers.
27:34I have to tell you that I was absolutely stunned when I looked at this growth in megawatts, 79 over the next 10 years.
27:42So I live in Banafall, and I'm actually chair of Bountiful's power board right now.
27:46And in a peak month in July, we might hit 79 or 80 megawatts.
27:51And look at that growth you're having in 10 years.
27:53You you really have a real need for a lot of new facilities and certainly have um a rationale for doing impact fees.
28:01Okay, so the excess capacity.
28:03So remember, we said there's two main um ways that we can meet our demand needs.
28:07One is through buying into existing excess capacity, and the other one is through new construction.
28:14So the excess capacity consumed during the time frame of this study, 10 years.
28:19And the reason we kind of limit it to 10 years is because impact fees have to be spent within six years of one collected.
28:25And so it gives you a little turnover year two to year seven, three to eight, whatever.
28:29But we um that's pretty much the time frame of most of these impact fee studies.
28:34So um in IFFP, this excess capacity, these percentages, it was all engineering then, and then um, these are the percent that would be consumed, and then we looked at the actual cost of your capacity, and you had um like 30 million, I think, for your actual transformer, but only 31%.
28:55Then we took 31% of it for the actual cost um for the next 10 years.
29:00This is based on you have to buy law use your historic cost, but you actually paid for it if you're buying into excess capacity, and these were the numbers that we came up with.
29:09And again, I need to give thanks to Dean Lindell, who was incredible in providing me the information I needed quickly.
29:15Um the next these are the new improvements again, right from the IFFP.
29:21You can see there's quite a bit there.
29:2226 million, 20 million impact fee eligible in our time frame.
29:28So it all comes together.
29:30What we do is we take all these costs, we divide it by the growth that we're going to see happening over the next um 10 years.
29:39So we had buy-in to that existing excess capacity, you just sell for transformers, feeders, a portion of the power building.
29:45We have an outstanding bond, and so we can charge um new development for its fair share of the interest cost of that bond, although we're gonna have to make a little credit for it later.
29:56That then we have the new construction costs, consultants.
29:58We had a little impact fee balance.
30:00I brought our total cost here down to 366.
30:05However, we had um some of the bond will go to benefit existing development.
30:12It's still they're still paying for their fair share.
30:14So we can't charge a new development, it's whole impact fee, and then say, oh, and guess what?
30:20Over time you also get to pay for existing development.
30:23They would be paying more than their fair share.
30:25So we just have to make a little credit here.
30:28And here it comes out at our cost per year.
30:31Now some people will say wrongly, oh, your cost per KVA is going up every year for inflation.
30:37No, what's happening is the gross fee, the gross fee stays the same.
30:43But you have fewer years left on the bond credit, so the credit goes down every year.
30:49So in other words, the amount you're paying at the building permit counter over here in the far right corner, that's gonna go up every year.
30:57But the amount that you'll pay over time is 945, 1157 for 2033 or whatever, that goes down over time as more and more people are paying on the bond and fewer years are left.
31:08So the net present value becomes less.
31:12So finally, the maximum fees here.
31:15Oh, let me just mention one thing here first.
31:17Though the old cost 247, it's about a 28% rate increase, but this had not been done for a long time, is my understanding.
31:27And then it's multiplied by peak demand to get your maximum fee.
31:30I think your maximum fee right now on this one is just over 1200.
31:34You'd be going up to about 1,575.
31:38That's the last slide.
31:39Does anybody have any questions?
31:43I have one question.
31:44Um I have I have one question.
31:46If you go to uh table three.
31:49And the IFA or the current the on this?
31:57Okay, I'll stop sharing.
31:58I have it should be the electron electric power demands or and growth and demand table.
32:05Um, the the question I have is that so I just to make sure I'm on the same page.
32:09So you have your values in megawatts and then convert to uh is that KBA, right?
32:16Um, but the the megawatt at the bottom for the 10 years 79.
32:20Is that an average of those divided by 10?
32:24Or how do we get the 79 when the values for each year are much higher than 79?
32:30That's just the growth.
32:32That's like in the megawatts, they'd be the 217 uh minus the 138 in that call.
32:41I and the same thing with the convert to KBA, all that, right?
32:45Just it's subtracting the growth from the beginning.
32:50Does anyone else have any questions?
32:55Um, Joel, do you have anything you wanted to add or Dean?
33:02It's about 28% higher.
33:04Joel actually brought this up.
33:05He said, Well, what's inflation been since the last time we did it till today?
33:08Because I think it was 2018.
33:10I think it was 2018.
33:11Anyways, whatever that was, it was almost gives 29%.
33:15So it is kind of somewhat requisite or matching inflation.
33:22All right, if there are no other questions, let's have a public hearing.
33:24Is there anyone here who would like to speak to this item?
33:29Seeing none, we'll close the public comment.
33:32And um, if no one has any more questions, I'm ready for a motion.
33:38Mayor Pro Tem, I'll make a motion that we approve ordinance 64-2025, adopting an impact fee facilities plan and an impact fee analysis and amending impact fees for power as presented.
33:51I have a motion by Chris.
33:56Um because of the nature of this, I am gonna do roll call.
34:00I'll vote yes, Chris.
34:05That passes unanimously.
34:08And we're going on to agenda item number eight, consideration of resolution number 2025-77.
34:15Approving the UAMPS Fremont Solar Project Agreement.
34:21I just know what you're doing.
34:25Um we've we talked briefly about this project earlier, and I sent um the talking points and information that I was getting from UAMPS.
34:33Um I've got uh a few slides if you'd like, five slides if you want to see some more information about the project.
34:41And I think there was a few questions that were asked.
34:43Um, I don't know if you want me to go over those questions and the slides or neither, or what what do you want to see?
34:49I'm happy to do any of it.
34:50The students in the remote rather I didn't, but we have a little time.
34:53Let's see the slides.
34:54Okay, I'll I'll be brief too.
35:05I'll have to refresh my memory on our questions too.
35:08I'll start with the questions if you want.
35:11Um Michelle asked a few questions.
35:16Is that okay to go through those?
35:18Yeah, that'd be great.
35:19Um, so the first question she asked is uh the price of 3445 a reasonable price for solar.
35:26And the answer to that is yes.
35:28Um I've checked out against other folks in the industry, and that's a great price.
35:35And maybe what makes the price most advantageous for us at the city and this project is the time and likelihood of getting a transmission interconnection in place in time to take advantage of remaining tax credits that are going to go away.
35:50So because we have the transmission in place, long lead time items ordered, we'll be able to start construction by July of next year, which is a requirement for those tax incentives, and we have to complete it by I think a year from that July.
36:05So and we should be able to make both of those with this project.
36:08So yes, the price is great, and we'll be able to get it built quick.
36:13Shall do you have a follow-up?
36:15Um so as more solar comes online and it's kind of overproducing and it comes in very cheap, and sometimes people are looking to get rid of it over that 25-year period.
36:28Will that stay a good price?
36:30I guess I mean I guess that's hard to answer for sure on what's gonna happen.
36:37Um the battery that's tied to this project will help, because not every project will have batteries, at least right now, but that allows us to shift into those more expensive areas and save that energy during the cheaper times, but that that helps hedge some of it, not all of it, but that's a risk for sure.
37:00Um, and the other question is was the price range typically for solar right now.
37:05I did do a quick check with UAMps and they're shopping all the time, and they're saying right now you're looking at 38 to 50 dollars per megawatt, and this is 3545.
37:16So the pricing looks really good, and that's what I'm hearing as well.
37:20Um do we renewable energy credits play a role in the decision for this?
37:25And I would say no, but it is a benefit.
37:29It's something that we can market if we choose not to retire those renewable energy credits, and we can get a few extra dollars back, and that will lower that energy price.
37:39Um that I mean it is a benefit, but probably not the main decision maker.
37:46Um, and then last question I had was what happens if we don't participate?
37:50Um already the request that came in exceeded the 99 megawatts that were available, and so we actually requested 20 megawatts, our entitlement share is 18 and change.
38:04I'll show it here in a second.
38:05So there's more interest than available, and our if we walked away it would be gobbled up by everybody else that's interested.
38:15So that's those questions, unless there were any other, and we can go through slides and yeah, you're probably gonna answer this, but the main question is just explaining how it benefits Lehigh.
38:26It's a 25 year PPA, but you're probably answering.
38:29Yeah, no, I think that's a um I didn't hit that one.
38:32Um the benefit, I think, is just price surety.
38:35Um, we're gonna see the pricing go up.
38:37It's gonna fix the uh the cost of that energy.
38:40Like you mentioned, we run the risk that we might have been able to get those megawatts somewhere else cheaper at certain hours.
38:46But I think the surety of having that 18 megawatts locked up at the 35 dollars is is pretty valuable.
38:54Um it's unlikely pricing is going to go down.
38:58I think we'll see escalation overall go up.
39:02That's what I've seen over the years I've been here.
39:04It's definitely not as cheap as it was, and I think we'll continue to see that.
39:08Even though it's solar though, you think it'll continue up.
39:13Um, well, it's that's one component of our portfolio, but you have to add other products to maybe deliver capacity, which is the energy at night, for example.
39:24And in order to deliver that, it's more expensive.
39:27So as things change in the markets, building a new power plant today costs more than it did 10 years ago.
39:34So it's gonna cost us more overall.
39:37So it's not just the price of the energy, it's the price of building the okay.
39:42Capacity is gonna be super valuable in the future.
39:47So yeah, do you want to now are you gonna go first?
39:53Let's see your slides.
39:54And then yes, stop as you want.
39:56And these are really brief.
39:58Um, and most of you know, so 25-year power purchase agreement.
40:01We talked about that.
40:02Um, we've had they gave us a 60 day window.
40:06Uh we have till the first of November to approve this.
40:09Um, and we talked about the tax incentive, the timing is great right now, and there's not a lot of projects that are gonna be able to take advantage of this.
40:17So this is this is a good opportunity.
40:20Um the capacity is 99 megawatts at the 3545.
40:26Um, there's a battery tied to it, and the there's a chart, it's a 49 and a half megawatt battery that you can discharge for four hours.
40:36And so when you add in there's a cost to discharge that that's part of the power purchase agreement.
40:43When you add in the battery discharge, which provides some capacity because you're gonna shift the load to later like night, um, it increases the cost, and that drops it in at about 69 to 74 dollars per megawatt hour.
40:57And so that's almost exactly in line with what our current wholesale cost is for energy.
41:04So you can see that this project doesn't increase pressure on our rate, or it doesn't decrease it.
41:10So it's pretty stabilizing, and that's why we like this project.
41:14Um we do retain the energy renewable energy credits or recs, and those are marketable.
41:20So we can sell those on the rec market as well and make a few dollars.
41:24And like I mentioned, our share is 18.38 megawatts.
41:28So, real quickly about the project.
41:30Um, I thought we were gonna see where it was.
41:35Oh, it was on this slide.
41:36You can see where the project is if you're curious.
41:39You'll in the future be able to see it on the way, say driving to St.
41:43Um, if you're familiar with just before you get to Parwan area there, you're there's like there's a farm on the right, and it's just before that.
41:52It looks like there's like a big field there, is where that will end up, if you recall.
41:58Um, so this is a typical profile for a solar project um for this particular one.
42:05So the red is what's going to be utilized to feed the load and demand from that project.
42:12The green represents what we'll need to charge the battery to follow that profile.
42:17So you see, we're gonna have excess during certain hours.
42:20So your typical load curve in this region of the country is gonna be it goes up in the morning, then down and then back up.
42:28And this is gonna take advantage of the times that we're not using as much of the load and charge the battery.
42:34So then you take the blue profile, which is all of the production that's available, and some of it's used for the battery, and some of it's used for serving load.
42:42So what that does is it gives you the ability to move uh the battery energy to be released at a given period.
42:50And this is an example of likely when that would be utilized.
42:55Um, so that that green or that orange line would be how the battery would be used.
43:02So with that, if you look at it as a whole, then this is what the energy released would look like, or how it's met meeting our loads.
43:11So, like you can see how that purple line follows the red, which meets our load, and now we can shift later into the evening after the battery drops off.
43:20See, the purple is still a need there, and we can utilize it later into the evening when power prices are higher.
43:29And like I said, that's all some short slides, but anyone have any follow-up questions?
43:37So, kind of to go off uh a little bit further with what Michelle's question about the benefit to Lehigh.
43:43Um, can you talk just a little bit about the portfolio that we have and what this does to that, especially um if my understanding's correct, the last few years we've seen closings of coal plants and the parts coal and and other parts that were significant portions of our portfolio drop off.
44:01So we're always continuously looking for replacement energy as well as adding to our portfolio.
44:06So I'm wondering if you just talked to that for just a second.
44:09Yeah, we I I used to, I mean, I have a list and it's it's getting updated here and there as UAMps brings a new projects for us to consider.
44:19Um that list is like roughly like 10 projects long.
44:25There's a lot of stuff that's being presented.
44:28It's getting very hard to get it across the finish line.
44:31We don't have all those, it's like this is one that's come up.
44:35So my point is it's hard to get some of these projects going.
44:39Now, to answer your question on other resources we have this project I like because it offers a new type of um diversity to our portfolio in the fact that we don't have a battery, and so we do have solar projects.
44:52Uh we have a wind, we have wind projects, we have hydro projects, we have coal, we have natural gas, we have waste heat uh recovery.
45:02Um the the ones we don't have would be uh solar plus battery, and we don't have geothermal and we don't have nuclear.
45:11So those would be the the ones we don't have, and um this will add one more component to the diversity to that diversity.
45:20That's really what we're after.
45:21Is like we need everything we can get, but not putting our eggs all in one basket is ideal.
45:28Yep, we want to diversify to help with like Michelle's point.
45:32If we put everything in just solar only and something shifts, we could have a problem.
45:37But if we can spread that out, it helps.
45:42Yeah, good question.
45:44Just out of curiosity.
45:45So the battery is four hour storage life, right?
45:48So if you're storing like whatever when the sun comes up, does it the the clock start ticking then?
45:56Do you know what I mean?
45:57Or is it just continuous so that it the four hours could be utilized anytime, and you wouldn't even have to utilize it, you know.
46:05I mean, it's a battery.
46:07So if the for some reason you didn't want to discharge it that day, you could wait till the next day.
46:14Okay, it's a four-hour yeah provides the electricity for four hours, but you can keep the storage okay.
46:21We can choose what I demonstrate is just that's typically it's all pricing.
46:26That's just typically when the energy is the most expensive.
46:28Yeah, is when solar's dropping off and you lose all of that capacity, all that energy all at once.
46:34So if we can shift and cover that with some cheaper power at that $35 rate we charge the battery with, that's great.
46:42And so it's that's an example.
46:45It might be cheaper to wait, and we're seeing pricing change in the morning, and so we may just patch it in the morning.
46:52But we just it's a it's a market-driven decision daily.
46:57I thought it was it would last in the battery for four hours, then it diminish or something like that.
47:02You know, but it's just yeah, that's more of a project.
47:06Like there's certain ways you can store with heat, but you would have to like get rid of that shortly after.
47:12It's not it's just gonna delay the release, but you can't store it forever.
47:16Okay, batteries you can store longer.
47:22Anyone else have any questions?
47:28All right, then uh nobody has any more questions.
47:30I'm ready for a motion.
47:35You guys just like it here.
47:41Um I move that we approve resolution 2025-77, approving the UAM's free month solar project agreement.
47:49All right, I have a motion.
47:53I have a motion on the second.
47:54Are there any questions on the motion?
47:56Very well, we're gonna do this by roll call, Chris.
47:58Yes, Michelle, yes, Paul?
48:01Yes, and I will also vote yes.
48:03Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for attending this evening.
48:06Council, we are adjourned.