Harrison.

Our dear Father in Heaven, we are grateful to be gathered together as a council and department heads and city staff to um discuss and talk about what we can do to best serve the residents of Lehigh.

We are grateful for our first responders and we ask that they'll bless them and their families that they'll be safe and they'll be watched over and protected.

We pray that thy spirit may be with us to help guide us to make the right decisions for Lehigh, and we say this in the name of Jesus Christ to me.

Um just for a roll call near Binance's absent, but we have Councilmember Lockhart, Harrison, Friedman, myself, Stalin's and Newell here present today.

Um we'll start with item two, open a public meeting discussion act.

Open a public meeting act discussion.

That's me.

Okay.

I just wanted to take a few minutes and maybe follow up on the email that I sent out I don't know, a week, a week and a half ago.

Kind of realizing that we're a little bit trying to straddle two provisions of the code.

And so to answer your questions and maybe have a brief discussion about best practices.

So fifty-two four eight is the one that says, you know, outside of a public meeting, um there's you shouldn't be discussing things as a quorum in a deliberate way or figuring out how do you gonna vote and thing.

I think we're we're being careful about that.

But then I realized that, you know, in our meeting a couple weeks ago, we talked about getting email feedback and then making sure that there was a consensus as to whether to put something in the draft, and they got thinking, well, that's there's a little bit of a conflict.

Oh, there could be a conflict there, right?

Or we could run a foul in the open meetings act if we require three of you to give a consensus, but then if it's by email, then we we we risk maybe crossing a line for fifty-two four eight in nor quorum of you deliberating, or could at least be construed as a deliberation or a discussion.

So I guess more than anything, just to identify that as a possible risk, and then just caution you to continue to be very careful.

And and I guess my advice would be if three of you are communicating electronically, make sure that it's informational.

Two of you can talk about whatever you want.

If there's a third one that joins, then stay away from any policy discussion, and then push as much of like the consensus building on certain red lines or certain additions or deletions from contracts as much as we can.

Let's push that to the public meeting part of a you know specific contract discussion or something like that.

So again, that I just wanted to have that brief discussion, answer any questions because I got thinking about those two things, and I was like, uh yeah.

Like we could definitely be crosswise if we're not really careful about about lines that we cross.

So if if you have any questions, that's all I wanted to mention.

Just it was a good follow-up from the emails and from the discussion that we had had on the dais a couple weeks ago.

So that was it.

Okay.

Um I just noticed that staff will like reply all and start like looping all of us in on those emails.

I think that maybe where I've gotten a little confused is if I'm not supposed to be seeing that, but staff is replying all, and now I'm on this thread I never asked to be on.

Yeah.

So how are what's our policy moving forward from that perspective?

Yeah, it's a that's another difficult one because we I think we have Jason can chime in.

We we want to be careful that if we respond to one of you, that we respond to all of you so that you all have the same information.

And so I think if it's one directional from us, that's fine.

You don't have to worry about having been included.

We have to be careful, and and you have to we have to be careful together that that push of information in one direction doesn't become we have an or inadvertently asked you to start a discussion and to respond to the information that we've given you.

So again, I don't know that I give you any blight bright line rules, but we'll all just have to be cognizant of that and careful, both as staff as council is that we give you information, but then we be careful about how we ask you to respond to that.

So if we and if we do, then feel free to call us out and say, you know, I don't I'm not comfortable responding when there's more than two of us on this email chain.

So that I mean that's a really good point.

I was just gonna add to that.

I think the key is your guy's response, right?

You can ask us all the questions you want, we can respond with all the information we want or you want from us, but then when you guys start pontificating on, hey, here's what I think, or here's our remote, maybe that's yeah.

Well, and I think that I think there's been a couple times where we have kind of asked for that.

Yeah.

And so we have to be careful that we we clarify that we'll we'll just give you information, we'll have the discussion with a core at least a quorum of you at a later time.

But I could yeah, I could think or you can reach out to me and say, hey, here's what I'm thinking, yeah.

And I can kind of be the repository of all that information.

So just don't reply on to each other.

Yeah, to each other.

Yeah.

Okay.

So to Paula coming from staff to all the council members giving us information is appropriate, we would respond individually.

We felt back.

What about information coming from the council member that's a side from you know, just uh dates or you know, factual coming, I guess.

Just is that appropriate to share this.

Between two council members, no to the whole council.

Well, like on the text, we said that's why there's this part of this event for earthquake.

Oh, that's fine.

Yeah.