On.

All right.

Welcome everybody to the April 2nd, 2026 meeting of the Milwaukee the Board of Zoning Appeals for the City of Milwaukee.

My name is Eric Lomberg.

I'm the board chair.

Molly Vang is in the back, helping get people checked in.

And India Garr is the secretary.

She'll be helping lead this meeting.

First order of business is to call the rule.

Board member right.

He is going to be a little bit tardy.

Okay.

Board member Cushell.

He's excused.

Board Member St.

Arnold Bell.

Here.

Board Member Rocker.

She's excused.

Board Member Current.

Here.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

And Chairman Lomberg.

All right.

So we have four.

We have a quorum.

We can conduct the business.

Uh we are chased with conducting tonight.

We have we are also joined by representatives from the three city departments.

They will be giving us input throughout the evening relative to each file.

They make suggestions for conditions or give us any comments they might have.

The first swath of items that we're going to hear.

Um what are known as the administrative consent agenda?

These have already been uh vetted by staff and there have been in there's been input and recommendations given.

We're going to read all of these in order, and they will be voted on in one block.

If there's anyone present for any of the items, which is one through 25, with the exception of 17, which has been adjourned on the administrative consent agenda.

There's anyone present that is here for any other reason than just find out what happens, but wishes for the item to be pulled off of the consent agenda and scheduled for a public hearing.

Just indicate that when we read off the list and we will pull that and we'll vote on the rest of them and it can be rescheduled.

So we'll hear from uh we have each of the city department representatives introduce themselves and we'll have them sworn, starting with DPW.

If we're gonna mean Department of Public Works, DNS, Peter Larrickson and DCD.

Ed Richardson.

Thank you.

Madam Secretary.

Um please raise your right hands.

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

All right, thank you as always for being with us tonight.

Um, we'll do one other item quickly as well.

We'll do the we have the minutes uh have been circulated from our March 5th meeting.

I think all of us were present at that meeting.

So if everyone has had a chance to review those minutes, if there's a motion relative to the minutes, we can hear that now.

Motion to approve the minutes.

Second.

All right, Madam Secretary.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye.

Board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

All right.

And Chairman Lilbert.

Aye.

Okay, now we can do the consent agenda.

Item number one, 1118 West St.

Paul Avenue, a dimensional variance request.

Staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number two, 1510 West State Street, especially use and dimensional variance requests.

Staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number three, 5507 West Hampton Avenue, especially use and dimensional variance requests, staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number four, 1595, South 38th Street, especial use request.

Staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number five, 4727 South Howell Avenue, a use variance and dimensional variance request.

Staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number six, 1400 West North Avenue, especially use request, staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number seven, 2134 North 28th Street, especially use request, staff recommends dismissal without prejudice.

Item number eight, 6414 West Silver Spring Drive, a special use request, staff recommends a five-year approval.

Item number nine, 1600 North Jackson Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Number item number 10 is also 1600 North Jackson Street, a dimensional variance request.

Staff recommends approval to run with the land.

Item number 11, 2009, East Kenilworth Place, a special use request.

Staff recommends a five-year approval.

Item number 12, 2404 West Clyborne Street, a use variance request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 13, 1654 West Hopkins Street, a use variance request.

Staff recommends a five-year approval.

Item number 14, 3607 North Richards Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 15, 2153, North Martin Luther King Drive, especial use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 16, 5301 West Burleigh Street, especially use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 17, 2932 West Forest Home Avenue has been adjourned.

Item number 18, 6333 West Burley Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 19, 5912 West Oklahoma Avenue, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 20, 161 South First Street, especially use requests.

Staff recommends a five-year approval.

Item number 21, 4703, South Sixth Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

Item number 22, 191 West Leighton Avenue, a dimensional variance request.

Staff recommends approval to run with the land.

Item number 23, 5934 South Howell Avenue, a special use request.

Staff recommends approval to run through December 8th, 2031.

Item number 24, 3824 West Fleet Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a 10-year approval.

And item number 25, 1633 West Center Street, a special use request.

Staff recommends a five-year approval.

All right.

Or have any objections to the recommendations?

Is there anyone online?

Mr.

Chair, I will check.

Is there anyone online that would like to um speak or object to any of the items that were just read?

Please raise your hand.

And Mr.

Chair, I'm not seeing any raised hands.

All right.

Is there a motion?

Sure.

Motion to approve staff recommendations for all of the consent agenda oils.

Second.

Right.

It's been moved and seconded by board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Um Madam Secretary.

Board Member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye.

Board Member Current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smysky.

And Chairman Lomberg.

Aye.

Okay.

The next there are two.

I don't know if uh Madam Secretary alerted this, but there, if anyone's here early, there are two other items, 33 and 37 that will be adjourned tonight.

Are there any other adjournments?

Uh no, Mr.

Chair.

So we are able to go forward then with our 415 calendar.

Now these are a little bit different.

We'll actually have hearings on each of these items.

So when your item is called and you're here to speak either as the applicant or someone representing the applicant or a neighbor who's in support or opposition, uh come forward.

We'll have you take a seat.

We're going to get everyone's names and mailing addresses and have you sworn.

Um people online will do the same thing, and then we'll hear from the city departments uh with any comments that they have on each file, and then we uh we'll hear from the applicant and anyone else that's willing wanting to testify and board members may have questions.

We're trying to move these along.

Um if there's a hearing, if there's an item that's gonna be particularly contested, we may adjourn and reschedule for a little bit longer of a time slot for a contested hearing.

Um, but each item, you know, we'll we'll call each other in order and hopefully we'll come to a resolution on each one.

Madam Secretary.

Item number 26, 3211 West Ruskin Street.

Request to allow a seven-foot solid wood fence on the side and rear lots located on the east, south, and west elevations.

This is a correction to previous case BZZA-25-0037.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak on 3211 West Ruskin Street?

If you'd like to speak, please raise your hand.

Okay, we do have one person with their hand raised.

Is there anyone else?

Okay, so Mr.

Chair, we do have Jim and Don Pierce who have their hand raised as well.

Um, let's well, let's skip that.

Let's find out if they're on this file.

We'll get them sworn.

And then the applicants and the city departments.

Jim and Don Pierce, um, if you can unmute yourself and just let us know.

Are you here for 3211 West Ruskin Street?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, uh, could you please give us your name and mailing address and then we'll uh swear you in when we swear in the applicants?

Jim and Don Pierce, 3208 West Roskin Street.

Okay, thank you.

And then could you give us your name and mailing addresses as well?

Alejandro Ranhouth Castillo, 3211 West Ruskin Street.

Okay.

And then could you and uh Mr.

and Ms.

Pierce, could you please raise your right hands and then we'll swear you in?

That's well.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

Um, well, we're familiar with this item.

This was before us.

There's this a bit of a correction.

Um we'll hear from the city departments and then see what the record needs to be made.

Um we'll hear from the city departments and then see what the record needs to be made, then we'll hear from this the pierces and then from the applicants.

Uh go ahead, DPW.

Nothing to add.

Uh DNS.

We have no comment, but I can fill the board in a bit, uh, just to refresh everyone's memory.

This is a correction uh to accurately reflect uh the height of the fence in one corner where the topography of the ground dips down.

Uh, we don't feel there was uh any kind of intent, malicious intent to deceive the board.

Uh this is a way to cover the fence.

We'd like to make it part of the record that in addition to the actual dimensional variance that the fence is approved as built, and that for the public who may be listening or uh some of the people online, uh, that this is not permission to raise the altitude of the fence any higher than it is currently right now.

Thank you.

Thank you.

DCD, nothing additional.

Okay.

Um, as Mr.

Laritzen said, we this the this is the exact same fence that was before us a few months ago, and we approved, and there was testimony about the interesting topography on the site and the one corner.

Uh you know, it would maybe be impractical to build up the turf or the earth, I should say, to raise the fence.

They could do that, and the top of the fence would be the exact same height that it is now.

So it's not really, it's like it's like almost like a fence altitude situation with a surveyor, not necessarily the the height from the ground, although that is how the city measures it.

The city did have um the inspector after it was approved, did a measurement, and then it was we discovered that the measurements weren't exactly accurate, but the fence and the reason for the variance, the the fence is the same fence, and the reason for the variance is the same as as before.

So I just want to make that clear because it's a little we're just hearing the same thing over, nothing's changed.

Um would the pierces like to weigh in?

Yes, sir.

Go ahead.

Um we just like to see the the fence built to spec.

I'm not sure I'm not sure where you're getting that that why the fence was approved in the front of the house.

That fence is higher than any other fence.

Um any other fence in the neighborhood.

Our neighbors have to have that.

Our fences in front drop down to like four feet, I believe, with lattice on it.

That fence is clearly in the front of the house, right next to the front door.

So I'm not sure why there was an accent how that's built to code built the code when everybody else's fence has to be down like four feet or something like that in front with the lattice.

Well, it's not built to code, that's why they're here.

And the neighbor, any neighbor that wants to have a co a fence, something of seek a variance from the code would have to come before us to um just so you're clear, it's not it's not approved.

And that's why they're here because they're there's it's it's an it's currently not legal, and they need to get approval from us for them to have this fence.

And we did, I just want to make clear we we we did approve it, but there was an error in measuring, and it the the uh the order that went out that gave this approval was technically incorrect and didn't you know we we knew what we were trying to approve, but there was an error in measurement, and therefore they still have an illegal fence, even though it was the attempt of this board to approve it.

I don't know if people have changed their mind based on the understanding that it is higher than we thought, but that's that's what's going on.

Um we would like to see it built the code like everybody else on the block.

I mean it it should be adjusted accordingly.

All of us and people that are building fences on the block are abiding by the code regulations, so we like to see it built correctly.

You know for the pierces, this is Peter Laird and the neighborhood services.

It may feel like the fence is in the front yard, but by our zoning code, it's actually in the side yard, and you are allowed a taller fence in the side yard, but I completely understand that it feels like the front yard.

And you are correct in the front yard, it's a four-foot uh maximum.

There is no lattice uh exception, and DNS typically is not in favor of front yard fence height variances.

Uh, but we we do take no position uh on the side yards.

So I just wanted to clarify for you.

Understand it does feel like the front yard, but it's technically the side yard.

So okay, so it's a technicality.

We got it.

Yeah, it it is, and that's kind of sometimes these fence cases are just nuanced and a little bit bizarre, and it doesn't what your eyes tell you is not really what the code tells us.

And it's I understand, but they I I I concur with uh what Mr.

Larrin is saying is that this out they they don't want to be here and going through this again.

They already got the approval, and there was a technicality that needed to be corrected so that everything was uh everything that we intended to approve was was uh fit the actual measure and specs of the fence that was built.

Does anybody do any other board members have any questions or concerns?

Yeah, if not, I don't I don't think you we don't need to hear from you guys in SC1.

See, we we we understand what's not appreciated.

Is there a motion?

Mr.

Troy I'll make motion.

Um make motion to just accept the correction uh to the previous case and I think just to be very clear, uh would you be admitable to having even though this is a uh approval for a seven-foot fence, we want the condition to be that it's the fence built as is.

Yeah, okay.

Thank you for clarifying that.

Okay, is there a second?

Second, Madam Secretary.

Board Member St.

Arnold Bell.

Hi, board member current.

Hi, Vice Chairman Sony.

And Chairman Lumberg.

I alright.

Thank you.

Thank you, Liz.

Thank you, Craig.

Next item, item number 27, 1722 South 13th Street.

Request to occupy the premises as a daycare center for 50 children per shift event to 12 years of age, operating Monday through Friday from 5 30 a.m.

to 10 p.m.

I'm just checking.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak on 1722 South 13th Street?

Please raise your hand if you're here to speak.

And Mr.

Chair, I don't see any raised hands online.

All right.

Well, why don't you guys get a bunch of names and mailing addresses and we'll have you sworn.

Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Maria Reyes, 922 South 20E Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53215.

Did you spell your last name?

R A Y S.

Yes, okay.

Right.

Thank you.

Then could you both please raise your right hands?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

All right, let's hear from DPW.

DPW is concerned that the proposed on-site play space does not have an absence of detriment to adjacent properties or tenants of the same building as the proposed daycare use.

The proposed play space is to be located within a vacated alley, which has a fairly awkward narrow shape and which contains several existing equipment attachments of this and neighboring buildings, such as a fire escape, exhaust vent, utility poles, and overhead utility lines.

It is not clear that this space will be conducive or safe for child play.

DPW notes that garbage jumpture storage appears to be located within the vacated alley as well.

It is possible that the proposed play space location may be used for deliveries to tenants of the subject premises.

DPW is opposed to any modification of this space that would move garbage storage or delivery activities closer to or into the public right-of-way.

DPW also notes that the plans for the proposed on-site play space did not appear to accurately show the dimensions of the area within the vacated alley.

DPW has obtained a platter survey from the Milwaukee County land information office and submitted that survey to the Boza office for inclusion in the case record.

The Plato survey states that the width of the space where the play space will be located is only 11.3 feet wide.

The plan submitted by the applicant indicates that the space is over 24 feet wide.

DPW cannot support approval of a site plan with such a great potential discrepancy.

Thank you, DNS.

Yeah, I apologize, Mr.

Chairman.

We're going to change our position and find that the criteria has not been met.

Should the board choose to approve it, we do have a standard daycare comments.

But I'd want to concur with DPW.

The play space here is completely inadequate.

This is a the amount of potential hazards.

Thank you.

Thank you.

DCD.

DCD concurs with the comments made by DPW and DNS.

And uh should note that several years ago, uh the space was as part of the daycare proposal for uh another unit within this building, and it was denied based off of uh basically the concerns that have been expressed here.

I mean, you've got open stairways, you got miscellaneous other stuff.

It's it's not a good good space for uh play area.

Thank you.

I'll just make a preliminary comment.

That was kind of what I was when I was reviewing it at what I we I think Pete said it well.

We we have seen some unique um play spaces that have been constructed in areas that don't typically look like they would be appropriate, but they've been able to work.

But this one, I just I thought I was concerned.

Normally I defer to the state and their licensing and and off if it's been inspected in the state license, the department of children and families is determined that it's adequate, then that's kind of the authority.

However, uh, we do have our own ability to exercise discretion.

I was a little bit concerned about it too for kind of all the reasons that were stated, but I think um one of my particular concerns was just trying being flexible to the point where we're going beyond what typically would be approved on a use variance request is not something that we should be doing.

Um but I want to hear if you can address this place space issue, because it does if you could just address those concerns.

Can you just pull the microphone close because we have somebody who's thank you?

Well, first we definitely understand you you your concern because as a provider we do has privatized the safe of our children.

So we agree with that, but we also have a plan to put like all this area safety.

We our our plan was already in the on the on the plan the slide.

See, the thing is that um, I'm sorry, we will need to um let you know that our architect already like he had a an emergency, he had a flight to his country.

So he did put all the requirements that you guys are telling us.

We did one and see the building and we notice all of the safety features that you guys are telling us.

But like she said we're willing to make all the changes needed that you guys will approve this project for us.

Oh sorry, yeah.

And another point that I want I would like to mention, this is uh basically was an alley by the the neighborhood in our understanding, they're not gonna be able to use it anymore.

But one thing that so for through traffic, perhaps that's that's accurate.

But the the one of the concerns that DPW raised was that that's where the dumpsters are for those buildings, and they don't want those to be moved out of the alley and in the public right-of-way or the sidewalk or whatever.

So where are those gonna go?

Yeah, those are that already was already uh one of the changes the architect made already, and we did got some feedback from you guys saying that you guys didn't want to like go on the alley.

So we're gonna make a fence and size still of the property, and they're not gonna be on the on the alley like the public area.

We we know how important is the safety of our children.

This is basically our for project that we're working on and yeah, we wanted to comply with all the requirements.

Yes, please go ahead.

Um, can you tell me um the properties that are on either side of your proposed daycare?

Um, who what tenants are in there?

What kinds of businesses are those?

Well, I believe the concern is because they play it's between one alley and then um so this is one of the side where the parmen um connect.

Right?

Yeah, it's a huge building from one of those sides of the building.

It's gonna be um used as an offices from the from the state, I think it is, or the the city, and then the other side is just like offices that right now they're empty.

And then also I don't know there's apartments on the second floor.

There's only offices, but nothing is in there right now.

And also I think like the lawnmower already talked to if he rents those um offices and and spaces, he's gonna tell them that they're not able to use the back of the building.

Because that's gonna be used as a part of the daycare.

I distinctly remember this last this case last time.

And the there are a lot of challenges.

It's you know, certainly the the dumpster storage is part of it, um, but the location of the um utility poles, the uh the fire escapes, there are there's a lot of existing infrastructure that is just very difficult to move and accommodate.

And while you know this L-shape alley too, also gives me some concern because um depending on, you know, while it is not open to through traffic as a city street, it could still be a pathway that vehicles choose to move, especially if um coming along the L-shaped corner base.

I just want to flag that.

Yeah, and the other I wish board member right was here.

I know he's gonna be late, but the fire escape is dumping off into an alley, which was supposed to be is presumably an egress, but then there's the fence.

So is I mean, is that isn't that problematic?

Like that seems to be a problem for traffic pedestrian safety if the fire escape is that gonna be going if I I don't know which direction we're looking at, but if you look at the at the pictures we're looking at, there's the building onto the left with the fire escape coming down, and then there's at the end of the alley, it's kind of like the maybe an angle, or maybe that's where the alley is, right?

I'm not sure.

And then the then there's a fence, which would be like behind me, right?

Can I say is that the play space you're talking about with the fire escape?

Maybe my English is not that fluency, that's why I cannot be able to explain that.

But if you guys let me, I can explain in Spanish and someone can do the translation if that works.

Unfortunately, we don't know.

Yeah, we don't like the alley is not going to be used for any traffic.

But it's not car traffic.

No, but the fire escape.

There's like a ladder and a metal stairway that comes down from one of the buildings.

So if there's a building fire, that's how people get out to get away from the burning building, and that looks like that's going right down into your play space.

Mr.

Chair, I believe their designer is online and would like to speak.

Would you like to uh I in yeah, I I okay, I'll just make a comment and then we can see how we want to proceed.

I think there's a lot of problems, but uh, they also have somebody that has helped them, a professional that has helped them design this.

And and would you guys want us to journal this and come back when you're can I comment something?

Like you said, this is one of your four project, and we have a lot of challenges before, and we were able to manage them, like you said.

We have professionals that will be helping us, so with license and everything, so with the permits and uh construction and everything for the backyard or the place.

Well, thank your architect might be up.

I just want to know because we feel it's not very fair to you guys if he was supposed, I don't know if he or she was supposed to be here, yeah, and then they couldn't make it so far in the emergency.

So let's see if this is a person, and and if you want to come back on a different day with your architects, we can do that.

Umir Adam, could you just give us your name and mailing address so we can uh swear you in, please?

You should be able to unmute yourself.

Amir Adam, uh I apologize, I wasn't able to make it in person.

I had a family crisis.

Uh Amir Adam, W 142 North A207, Miriam Drive, uh Menamini Falls, Wisconsin.

Uh I understand there's some safety calls.

Hold on, hold on, we have to have you sworn.

Mr.

Adam, could you please raise your right hand?

Okay.

And do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I do.

Thank you.

Okay, were you able to hear uh the first part of the hearing, Mr.

Adam?

No, I guess logged in, uh, but I heard the end part as far as safety.

Uh the light pole.

The light pole is outside the play area.

Okay, and then the uh fire escapes discharging into the playground, but there's like a fence around it, so the kids cannot climb the stairs and in uh injure themselves.

Uh the fire escapes is rarely used, and in case there is fire, it discharges to the playground, and then they can outside.

I I know I was making a joke.

I hope that they're rarely used, but they're an emergency, they're for emergency uses, so they need to be able to be used.

Correct.

And if they are used, if an emergency they would discharge in the play area, and that is outside the premises, and then they can exit through uh uh a gate on the playground into the alley.

So uh it's that's not going to hinder any safety or any concern like that.

That it has to be openable in the path of egress, which means no keys.

Uh there's a lot, there's a lot of mechanical issues in this alley, sir.

That this is Peter Laird's and with neighborhood services to summarize the three departments.

We're seeing actual hazards in this alley.

And let's call it let's quantify this.

This is not a public right-of-way, this is part of this is a parcel.

Uh, so you would need to exit out into the right-of-way.

Uh we're I think that uh you there's a lot of safety challenges here.

The there's multiple dumpsters that we understand are supposed to be relocated.

Uh yes, correctly, into the platforms outside the play area.

Perhaps if I could be so bold to speak for the board, you may want to request an adjournment and get some revised plans in to review.

Well, I'm looking I this is a the application other than the location is a good one.

However, um and there are a lot of hazards, and and I know that you're caught a little bit off guard because your architect is unavailable, and I understand he's here, but under it.

We the way just looking at pictures and hearing about the plans without anything being clearly put into a written form is not gonna work with the board, I don't believe.

I'm okay with if if you want to put everything uh in a more concrete form to address all of the many hazards and and have us be able to look at something, but I don't want to get your hopes up because it's a have it's a there's a lot of issues here.

Um, and you have a good otherwise really good plan, and I hope that you're able to have a successful operation someplace.

Um, I don't know, board members.

Well, the dumpsters are in a separate area, they're outside the playground.

Well, sir, sir.

My point is though, we just have pictures and you're telling us all this stuff, but there's nothing, there's no plans in front of us tell showing us all this, and we need that.

We would absolutely need that.

Um depicts that let me look.

This is a poor place space.

There this is not conducive to an environment that kids should be put in.

There's way too much jeopardy for the kids that are going to be in this area with the obstructions of existing uh uh stairs, exits, anything in that nature.

I don't find anything about this play space that really uh protects the public safety and welfare of the kids that you are taking care of.

I could not support those.

Go ahead.

Just building off of that, you know.

I I would agree that I think the the applicants here have put together a good plan for an operation of a daycare.

The biggest challenge is this site.

And I I the minute I looked at it, I remembered it distinctly because uh when it was last before us and denied, I believe I was the one who made motion because I had significant concerns about the location of the play space off the alley.

Um beyond the safety hazards, which are significant, and and um you know, I think when we think about the places that we want our children to be where we want them to thrive, um, this feels less than.

Um, and I know that is not one of our criteria, but when I look at our criteria, you know, I think about um the exceptional circumstances that are part of uh what we look at to evaluate experience, and you know, I don't see that there's anything that you know would indicate that this could be couldn't be used for some other use that didn't require uh a place space that that would abut an alley.

Um, and I would agree with um Chairman Shamanski about um protection of public health safety and welfare and just that concern that you know this is not the the highest and and and best way to to um support daycare operations um with this current place.

I think again the I think you're very capable of having a great center.

I just think this is not the right no, that's fine.

That's fine.

And I will just say too, I do see on the I I am I do see the relocation of the trash dumpsters, and I apologize I overlooked that.

You do have some of the information on the site plan, but there's not clarity about the fire escape, and then the other building that's on the corner and the other existing tenant just to the east of that, where do their trash is go?

I can actually touch on the on the dumpster issue.

Well, yes, there is it does show on the plan that the dumpsters are relocated on the photos, provided the dumpsters have not been relocated.

And so our concern is that you can show whatever you want on the plan, but that might not be dimensionally accurate.

So we would either need you to provide a dimension of where those dumpsters are being relocated or to actually relocate those dumpsters and physically show us that it works because our concern is that once those dumpsters are relocated, it's gonna be pushed into the right of yeah, and unfortunately we don't have that because that's why we hired a new professional who's supposed to do a watch.

And I just you know to echo again what board member Saint Arno Bell just said, I and kind of what I said earlier.

I do I think that there's enough issues with the criteria that we have to evaluate that you could come up, even if I don't I think it'll be unfair to say let's give you a chance to do a new drawing and then come back and we're not gonna I I don't think that they're gonna solve the problems, and I don't want to just you know get your hosts up hopes up.

Okay anyone else is there a motion well Mr.

Chairman motion having found up the criteria necessary to grant both the variants and the uh special use have not been met uh principally the uh uh protection of public health uh safety and welfare is very lacking in the development of the clay space and based on that I wouldn't make motion to deny the application second uh thank you board member St.

Arnold uh board member current vice chairman Smysky okay and Chairman Lark I'm sorry hope hopefully you guys find a good spot location thank you item number 28 1919 south 13th street request to continue occupying that promises as a light motor vehicle repair facility um please raise your hand if you're online and would like to speak on 1919 south 13th street is there anyone online for this item Mr.

Chair I don't see anyone that would like to speak on this matter um could you give us your name and mailing address please my name's Hassel Sale 1919 South 13th Streets Milwaukee Wisconsin 53204.

Thank you could you please raise your right hand if you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes I do yeah uh thank you Mr.

Shana let's hear from the city departments first DPW nothing to add DNS no additional comments and ECD this site has been before the board before for basically uh window tinting etc and um sound systems alarms etc site has a garage in the front of the building and then there's a second garage structure behind in the alley and uh for the first time uh in front of this board we're seeing the back garage being used for tire repair and installation uh it not come before the board for that use in the past uh but it's mentioned in this plan of operation and we do have our standard concerns uh about um tire uh repair and especially since it's off the alley so we'd you'd have to oppose that part of the operation but we do not have any objection to the continued operation of the window tinting window auto glass repair motor vehicle alarm and sound systems is the is all the tire repair that's done in that garage done inside the building yes and then those racks are those do those stay out at night those tire racks or do those get wheeled into the building no no it's inside we don't need we don't need nothing outside okay because there's the pictures I see there's like a couple of cube vans and a pickup truck and then there's two racks of and look probably waste tires the bounds these events for one of them for the waste and you know we have neighbor they put the bought their cars on the other side with those racks of tires that what are the where do those go there's two racks of tires outside the I I put them inside all the time.

Okay you bring them in yeah I don't keep I'll try to keep it very legit you know okay because we've been we've been there I've been there for 22 years now it's uh how how long have you been you've been doing the tire business for 22 years no no not that how long has that been going on for it's been uh a few years because I renew the license twice and I believe every two years you'll renew you'll you have to pay for the fees every couple of years no complaints from DNS from that operation I I know typically we have go ahead and the the rear garage well in a butts the alley and we understand certainly uh DCD and perhaps DPWs if they would have concerns about use of the right of way but it should be noted that the other side of the alley is commercial property advanced auto parts and a McDonald's there's no residential back there um and so as you would ask no we don't have we've not received complaints i would I would advise just for the applicant where Mr Richardson is going um tires stored outside would be considered outdoor storage and would require its own separate approval um so uh same with as you as you had testified your repairs are inside the building not outside that would also be something we'd have to deal with but we've had no complaints yeah I mean typically this there there are other types of the similar uses that have come before us but the site is different it's way more cramped there actually does appear to be enough space for you to change the tires in this location and if all work can be done inside and storage is is not outside it it it just that tends to by nature be far less disruptive to a community plus if you have been operating um and there haven't been complaints it seems like it has sort of been working out i don't know board members any concerns what was the last approval 2020 uh mr yes that's correct that that was for the car that was just for the glass and um

There actually does appear to be enough space for you to change the tires in this location, and if all work can be done inside and storage is is not outside, it it just that tends to by nature be far less disruptive to a community.

Plus, if you have been operating um and there haven't been complaints, it seems like it has sort of been working out.

I don't know, board members, any concerns.

What was the last approval 2020?

Uh Mr.

Terry, yes, that's correct.

That was for the cart, that was just for the glass and um it just says light motor vehicle repair.

I can take a look at the last plan of operation, but it would give me give me just a couple of minutes.

It was approved for a period of five years.

So the expiration date is just in a couple of weeks on April 18, 2026.

According to my records, it was before us in 2016 for a period of 10 years.

I mean the tire part is new, so can consider that if we've I can make a motion board.

Um having found that the four criteria or excuse me, the five criteria necessary to grant the experience have been met based on the testimony provided today and the technical review by staff.

I would motion to approve this for a period of five years, subject to the um conditions in the hearing summary.

One second.

All right, madam secretary.

Board member right?

Well, hold on.

Okay, wait, wait, not oh, yeah, not on this one.

Okay, board member saying on aye, board member current.

Vice Chairman's my ski and chairman Lomberg.

All right, okay, thank you.

Uh right, we are board member right, has joined us now, so we have full five members, and he'll be contributing for the rest of the meeting and voting on items.

So you're good, five years.

Thank you.

Next item, please.

All right, item number 29, 1012 South Second Street.

Request to occupy the premises as an adult retail establishment.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak on 1012 South 2nd Street?

Uh please raise your hand if you'd like to speak.

Okay, we do have uh Carrie Hendrix that has her hand raised, and then is there anyone else that would like to speak on this item?

Okay, you would too.

Okay, I can come up.

And Mr.

Chair, I don't see anyone else online, so we just have one person online.

All right, um let's get the person online first, and then when you get situated, we'll get you guys and then you're from the city departments.

Go ahead.

Carrie Hendricks.

Uh could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Carrie Lynn Hendricks.

I am not a resident of the city of Milwaukee.

However, I am the director of education at LaCode La Pauta.

Just need your name and mailing address and have you sworn, and then if you whatever you're going to testify to, we need uh that has to be under oath.

So 1643 South 2nd Street, Milwaukee 53204.

Thank you.

And then could you both give us your names and mailing addresses as well?

My name is Haley Peruzic.

My mailing address is 1030 South 2nd Street.

Yeah.

The three of you raise your right hands.

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Okay, Mr.

Winters, you're the applicant.

Yes.

Let's hear from the city department's first DPW.

Nothing there.

Uh DNS.

No additional comments.

DCD.

Nothing additional.

There was some late, I don't know.

There's some updates from correspondence from President Perez's office.

That everyone have a chance to see that.

They are in this version of the e-book.

And then are the um are you in support or opposition?

I'm in opposition.

And was it Ms.

Hendricks?

I'm sorry.

Correct.

Are you in?

Are you in the opposition?

Correct.

Let's hear from you two first that you have a chance to address any concerns.

Miss Hendrix, why don't you start?

Um, I am the director of education at a Cullet Charter School.

We are just a couple of blocks down from this proposed uh retail establishment.

Um, being a K4 through eighth grade elementary school in what we consider relatively family neighborhood, we would object on the grounds of it being an adult retail establishment um that could potentially cause harm to our children.

Could potentially what?

I'm sorry, cause harm, inflict harm, be harmful for our children.

Well, it was K through five.

You said we are K4 through eighth grade.

Eighth grade.

Are they are the um is there like a part of a playground or anything that's abutting this property, or is it just proximity?

Proximity for us.

Is there a bus stop or anything?

I I just is there a way that children that your school would naturally be outside of this establishment.

We're part of the school function.

Not that it's a school functions.

We do have students that walk home from school from that in that this area.

Okay.

Um what do we hear from you then?

Yes.

So I can attest that there is a school bus that parks directly across the street from this establishment.

Um, I also have concerns just regarding the location.

Um, I do live in the adjacent building.

I've noticed in the alley that we would share with this location that there are um several homeless people.

That is not my concern.

It's really just like there's a lot of activity in that alley as it is.

Um, there's a scrap metal yard not that far away, and people are always coming and going with carts.

Uh the parking garages for the building I live in are directly butting up to that.

So I just have concerns about the additional traffic.

Um, again, to Ms.

Hendricks's point.

Um, there are several small children who live in the area, schools nearby.

Um, so I would just be opposed on those grounds.

Um it's also really close.

I mean, it's Milwaukee.

There are several bars, you know, in the area, and I just think that it can just be a little bit too much crossover, um, depending on what the hours of operation would be, the days of operation.

Um, and just for personal safety, I just would say I'm in opposition to this built um this establishment in this location.

All right.

Yeah, address some of it.

Yes, I do understand some of the concerns, and I would be happy to give out some of these as well that just go over some of the concerns already.

I've passed these around.

Thank you.

So this is not a typical standard old style adult store.

It's not gonna have any pornography or anything extremely lewd in that sense.

Um it's not a smoke shop, it's not a tobacco shop in any degree of that.

It is going to be focusing on apparel and merchandise that is gonna help and mainly targets the LGBT community that is in that area.

Um we do see a lot of the bars and such, which are LGBT focused.

Um, to name a few, we have Walker's Pint, Fluid, Lakage, Woody's, Harbor Room, Pop, and DIX.

Um there's also a ton of events uh that happened down on 2nd Street, such as the Pride Parade, there are block parties, and um there are additional vendor markets and events that are held throughout the year.

Um I know another concern was the hours.

The hours do my proposed initial hours did reflect what I could work with having my other job as well.

Uh, I am open to adjusting the hours or weekdays to finding something that is compromiseful.

Um in my suggestion, it is that it goes from 6 p.m.

to 10 p.m.

Monday through Friday instead of the previous hours that were set.

In addition to moving the hours for Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

I mean, but like you said, there's not aside from the bars that you just mentioned, there's stennies, there's a ton of taverns right there.

They're all gonna be open until 2:30, right?

So a lot of other things are open later than 11 o'clock or midnight, as you have on the weekends, right?

You want you wanted a 10 p.m.

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays, and then 11, Thursday, and then midnight on the weekend.

Well, except for Sunday, those, yes, that was my proposed initial hours.

But if the hours seem too late for that, I do see other businesses stay open till 10 or 11.

Um, but I'm okay with adjusting the hours from 6 p.m.

to 10 instead.

I just don't see the hours are a problem.

I actually have a problem with the hours.

As I look at the location in a very residential area, you're right that you know, within the walkers point neighborhood uh blocks away, you will see bars and restaurants that are open later, but this particular store proposal store is immediately adjacent to many residential properties.

And that I could see that kind of traffic being very disruptive, especially, you know, uh Saturday night at midnight, um, parking on your residential street.

Um I have a concern about that.

I would also like to say for the alleyways and the surrounding neighborhood that is definitely a concern.

I have had my car broken into over there.

And it's not fun.

I've I want to see the area get better.

I want to put in cameras, lighting, security, stuff that everyone can benefit from.

Um even on the surrounding lot that's next door, just over time with permits and approval to continue to make that a better space.

I have a question for you.

Um, Ms.

Chair for Mayo.

Go ahead.

Um, had you spoken with your neighbors outside of today about what you're attempting to do.

Uh not directly, no.

I this is the first time being able to get that connection with them.

Had you spoken with your aldermen and all or all the person?

I have contacted them, but I did not successfully get connected with them.

And the alders, well, President Perez's office, the concern was relative to the the wind, you know, essentially the visibility of your merchandise from the street.

And then it's kind of a but then if you were to block the windows or frost the windows, then you would have a glazing requirement that would put what you would need to seek another um variance for that.

And uh, you know, that would I don't know if that would have to be cited separately.

I see that this is the handout you gave us is relative is is trying to address that issue with the with the drapes and the shades.

Yep.

Yes.

So I know there's a few options there can either be can set merchandise up in the back.

I can have wall dividers.

Um I can essentially separate it into two sections within that building.

Um I can have all like the sweatshirts and all everything that you would consider safe for work in the front and everything in the back.

Um, I could have a wall divider, it would be no possible view from any window.

Nobody's rate the DNS isn't about enforceability, but that's frankly to be fair, probably not an enforceable thing.

The floor plan of the it seems to me like that's trust you that you would want to make make those adjustments to make sure that you're uh not adversely affecting any concerned neighbors, but I don't know if it's I mean to full from an enforcement perspective.

Yeah, to quantify what can be viewed of as merchandise and what cannot from the window, what's acceptable, what's not.

That's I mean, I would say that if anything, uh we had a um there was a variance, uh dimensional variance many many years ago where there was an adult entertainment establishment that got permission to have permanent curtains over the window.

That would be an enforceable type item.

But yeah, the to interior movable dividers, like not something we could really handle.

I mean, the the thing is when this is cited as an adult retail, people have an idea of what that's gonna be, and I don't think this is probably exactly what people had in mind in general.

Probably this is gonna be this would be just fine, and it would operate with in fact, like you said, you put some security cameras up, you will some of the concerns that you have with what's going on in the alley might be mitigated when there's an active business in that space.

He doesn't want you don't want people uh causing problems for your customers.

I guess the real question is is do we feel that this is something that can go forward uh with an adjustment to the hours, or is there anything that needs to happen um in between an adjourned hearing and today with respect to finding out solving this glazing or solving the sheet screening or shielding issue and the hours, uh, what is the board think?

What uh board member St.

Arnold about with the proposed reduced hours, that sound like something that would swage your concerns, or do you want to see a new plan?

I think reducing the hours, particularly.

I mean, it's challenging.

The original plan had a whole battery of different hours, um, 10, 11, midnight, um, eight o'clock.

And I think having a consistent um hour, uh, you know, if it's uh Monday through Friday until 10, maybe Fridays or Monday through Thursday till 10, uh, Fridays and Saturdays to midnight or 11, like I'd be a little bit more comfortable with that.

I I think it's a fair uh, you know, there are comparable um stores that you know offer similar things, and and I think more standard retail oper hours make a lot more sense.

I understand that you're trying to work this around your schedule, but you know, five o'clock, six o'clock, eight o'clock, like those tend to be your average retail hour.

Yep, I I do understand.

And as this becomes profitable, and you know, I am ideally looking for this to be profitable and I can adjust my hours to fit a better schedule, especially towards the afternoon or early morning.

I'll add that the um description that there won't be any pornography or obscene items does assuage my concerns.

Yeah, and I think that's the way these codes are written.

You you I know exactly what you expect it when you see it at all retail stuff, you're like, oh, okay, one of those.

But you see the billboards like at the side of the road on your way up north, whatever.

But that's not what you guys that's not what you're that's not something I want in the neighborhood whatsoever.

Uh we'd prefer this to be like clean, well lit retail establishment.

Okay.

With and you can see my list as well of the merchandise items as well.

Yeah, absolutely.

Board members.

I I think I I guess I'm unclear.

Is the president asking for this to be adjourned at this point to have the plan codify or put in writing or yes, Mr.

Chair?

I think he just wanted there to be because the request for their adjournment, but it being so close to the hearing.

I think he wanted probably more time to look at it.

I know that he said that there had been some calls, so I think they just wanted a little bit more time.

Um, particularly with respect to the glazing concern too.

Okay.

So we could get an updated plan with revised hours and it sounds like a meeting with the older would help go a long way, especially if if the concerns could be addressed by sharing the the kinds of uh materials you plan to stock.

And depending on what they ultimately want to do with glazing in the windows, that might require an additional citation for a bearing.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I mean, and then some of this material, I know he probably hasn't seen this with your plan your your window curtain planning and stuff.

And obviously, I don't know, I'm not gonna say you won her over, but sounds like you have a neighbor who's less concerned, a lot less concerned than what you walked to.

Right now, there's a lash tech business there, and I mean it's just on my walkway, like I exercise outside, I walk by that every day.

So I just wouldn't want to, you know, the thing that you thought this was going to be really.

Well, I just you know, and I came to learn more, yeah, as well.

And there is no longer a mash tech business there.

So it is a vacant space as well that I'd like to open and run.

All right.

Well, I think we've got a pretty good idea of what modifications can be made to the plan of operation to make this uh a better just work a lot better than the neighborhood.

Does anybody have any other questions or is there a motion for the adjournment?

Mr.

Chair, motion to adjourn to allow the applicant chance to uh clarify all the things in the plan of operations, including um business hours and also the chance to meet with the alderman and residents.

Oh second board member right?

I board member excuse me, board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye, board member current, aye.

Vice Chairman Smithy and Chairman Lomberg.

Sorry.

And then I would just recommend contacting once you think you're just make sure you know whether you need if you depending on what you're interested in doing with the windows, if you need to have an uh a variance for the glazing, make sure that that's cited.

Otherwise, you'll just keep getting it delayed.

So does do I have to file for a different variance?

You might not even need to based on what your plan is, but once you have your plan together when you contact the BOSA office and permit, they'll make sure you know if you need that, we want to do them together, not two more hearings.

Yes, yes, so I can talk with the alderman and with the post office.

Exactly.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Item number 30, 1909 West Leyden Avenue.

Request a modify condition number three of decision B.

Sorry, BZZA 22-00296 that the plan of operation and all plans as submitted to the board be fully complied with and maintained.

Um see Ms.

Chair is there anyone online that would like to speak on 1909 West Leighton Avenue?

Please raise your hand if you'd like to speak.

And Mr.

Chair, I'm not seeing anyone that's raising their hand for this item.

All right.

Um go ahead and give us your name and mailing address.

John Balinski Direct Outdoor 4565 South 20th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 5321.

We're joined by Alden Spector as well.

Um we'll have you sworn.

Okay, could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under all that the testimony you're about to give?

Is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

I do.

I do.

Thank you.

Go ahead, DPW.

Nothing to add.

DNS.

We have no comment on the modification request.

I can provide background as needed.

Okay, the E C D.

Nothing additional.

I'm just gonna go right to you, Alderman Spiker.

Um what do you would as I understand it?

They're wanting to they need some time before these trees that were planted that were discussed in the last meeting mature and to shield that specific area.

But are you asking and you just want to reinstall some louvers that were previously there until those trees are mature?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, that's fine.

I went out to the site, there was a sliver of light available.

I can't imagine it caused too much consternation.

I saw there was one letter of objection.

I was in that person's house before he I think has some sorts of sensitivity to light.

I went to the neighbors farther east, it would be more directly impacted than no issue at all.

Go look at it from the backyard.

So this fix would take care of the sliver, which I don't even know.

Needed fixing, I haven't been getting a human cry from the residents back there.

So yeah, I mean it's been I'm sorry, it it seemed like a the best most reasonable fix that gets us to the point of having that landscaping that is important to this district.

So I seemed like a pretty reasonable fix.

Question is how do we fashion a condition to build in that window of time?

Do you have a suggestion on that?

Well, once the so if I read this correctly, correct me when Ron, the request is uh to install the loopers, which will address the lighting issue.

Right.

And then once those trees are uh reached their maturity and close the fill in that space that sliver, those louvers can then come down and do you want to remove them or once they're up, do they just stay up?

Um I would remove the louvers, but only after uh it's been inspected and it's appropriate to bring uh the request back.

Did we have a time frame approval on this?

This was last heard in February of 2023 and was granted to my notes uh 10-year approval.

So 2023 to 30 take those trees to about three years.

What are they?

What are the botany of this?

I don't know what the trees are, so I'm not gonna get into that.

I I just wonder if we say install the louvers until you come back for renewal, and then we deal with that.

That can work.

I remember this was a nice this is a shorter term just because we're watching the uh just to see if this was gonna work and if reserve that space for a different development, but yeah, we can do that.

That's fine.

Um I'm okay with with it.

That means if that means they presumably you're gonna want to continue after you're you're gonna want to renew it all, and then you come in and you say the trees are great, and we can take these louvers down and yes, okay, uh forgive me, Mr.

Chairman.

If it's in the application and forgive me, is there a date of install?

We do have an order on the property.

So was I wrong?

Did you did were they already reinstalled or no?

No, okay.

How long what reasonably how long?

How quickly can you get louvers up in that 30 to 60 days?

Let's see if for clarification, you're installing louvers on one side but not the other.

Yes, that's so a left-hand lure.

Correct.

Perhaps a motion to the fact that the modification will be installed within 75 days of board of zoning appeals approval.

Then I have something to work with if I need it.

That makes sense.

You said 30 to 60, 75 gives a little cushion.

Seems reasonable.

Do we add they are not removed before re-inspection and no sooner than whatever the approval date is?

The condition um will it be that the louvers are installed.

And that's a part of the prior approval.

So that would be a condition of the 10-year approval that was already granted for the remaining six and a half years or whatever it is.

Mr.

Chairman, I asked a question.

Does it make any difference if the left hand ones are installed for 10 years?

Does that cause a probability or a problem with visibility from the freeway from a certain angle or not?

No.

Okay.

If you're not if you if you think this is workable and you're not complaining about it, I think that's just the simplest way of like yes, honestly.

All right.

I'll make motion to approve the condition modification.

Umject to the condition that they be installed within 70 days of 75 days of the board's um decision, and that they remain in place until um the request expires and and is reviewed by the board.

I'm sorry.

No, I was the words weren't coming.

I was thinking of okay.

Board member right?

Hi.

Board member St.

Arnold.

Aye, board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Sonyski.

Okay.

And Chairman Lomberg.

All right.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Next item.

Item number 31, 6401 South 13th Street.

Request install an automatic changeable message sign on the existing freestanding sign structure that exceeds the maximum display area allowed.

Um, and then I'll type it.

Hello.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak on 6401 South 13th?

Uh Mr.

Chair, it does not appear that anyone would like to speak on this item.

All right, can we get your name and mailing address, please?

Yes, my name is Binat Penn.

Um, I guess 6401 South 13 to Street Milwaukee.

Five three two two what could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Thank you.

Are you and you are here on behalf of the applicants?

Yes, I'm a general manager for the law school property uh hospitality, and Mr.

Rehan couldn't make it today.

So I can't could you spell your last name for the court reporter, please?

Yes, Pan is a P is in Paul, A and T is in Tom.

Okay, thank you.

Uh let's hear from DPW.

DPW would just like to emphasize that the sign will not rotate advertisements or messages more frequently than every eight seconds and will not incorporate video or any other motion display.

All right, DNS.

No comment.

DCD.

Yeah, currently we have a large pylon sign, it's probably an excess of 14 feet, which is uh the current um maximum, and on that pylon sign, there are two sign boxes.

Uh at the top is a sign box that's 275 square feet, and then there's the middle uh sign that's uh I believe 72 square feet, noting that 50 square feet is the maximum generally permitted.

So we we have a significant excess in terms of what is permitted with signage.

They're proposing to replace the lower cabinet uh with a uh changeable message sign, so they're not increasing the size, but still when signs get renovated or modified or whatever, DCD almost always requests that we start to move toward conformity to uh reduce some of the size of the sign, and that's not happening here.

And so we find that uh we'd have to oppose this request.

All right, thank you.

This is also an alderman spikers district.

Um what do you have on this one?

Um, well, this is uh so this is the area of South 13th, um, south of College Avenue.

So at the very outskirts of the city, west side of the road is Milwaukee, east side is Oak Creek.

There's some problematic hotels on Oak Creek.

There's a vacant hotel on the west side.

The Crown Plaza has always been a good solid hotel.

It's with one of the real bright spots down there.

Excuse the little brighter.

Yeah.

Um, so they have altitude restaurant, which not everybody knows exists there.

Visibility from the freeway totally makes sense to me.

I would like to keep um one of the stronger hotels down there going well if they need um a digital message board to move into the modern area and keep it visible from the freeway.

The extra two by 11 um doesn't concern me.

I just want to make sure that hotel stays strong and that restaurant brings in business.

So visibility from the freeway makes sense from my perspective.

So it's instead of two issues.

Yeah.

This doesn't seem very concerning.

It seems like a pretty modest uh change to you know help a business accommodate to the time.

Well, I mean also can't let Oak Creek win.

We need to keep the good hotels in the lock.

Um, I agree.

I understand DCD's position, uh, but I do think this is a little bit unlike some of the other signs that we see.

Um you know, total replacement and looking to go beyond the scale scope.

This is a relatively modest.

It's it's really an improvement.

I mean, that frankly, the the lower portion is useless in certain distances if it doesn't have the electric messaging, I think.

But I don't know.

Anyone and does anyone have a concern with this request if not having modified Peter necessary to grant a dimensional variance have been meant based on the testimony provided today and the information of the file.

I would move this uh move to approve this initial variance to run the subject recognition.

I'll second.

All right, madam secretary.

Board member right?

Aye, board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye, board member current.

Hi.

All right, and Chairman Womber.

Hi.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you, Oder.

Item item number 32.

112 West Bowden Street.

Request to occupy the premises as a light motor vehicle rental facility and a car wash.

Um, is there anyone online that would like to speak on 112 West Bowden Street?

Okay, we do have somebody online.

All right, Brian.

Uh, you do have to enter your PIN.

Um, so we just click to send you the pen.

If you could enter that, you'll be able to speak.

Uh so while they're doing that, um, would you like me to swear in?

Yes, let's do that.

And we'll hear from the city departments.

Could you both give your name and mailing address, please?

Yeah, Claudia Spice, 2426 13th Avenue, South Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53172.

Uh 2426 South 13th Avenue.

South Milwaukee 53172.

Could you spell your last name for us for the quote order?

L-A-W B E E R J O U R.

Thank you.

You could pull the mic closer to you too.

Sorry, I'm also feeling kind of under the weather right now.

So try to make we'll try to get you guys can share that microphone.

Could you both could you both please raise your right hands?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes.

Thank you.

Uh DPW would just like to emphasize that no car wash related traffic enters or exits the site via the adjacent daycare parking lot, and that no work on vehicles occurs in the public right away.

DNS, no additional comments.

Just to note that we did have a previous proposal at the site that went to the board actually earlier this year.

I'm assuming that that particular person is gone and these people are kind of replacing that.

All right.

Um Alderman Spiker.

Um let's say.

No, that's right.

It's my help though, you're putting it.

So I'm sorry.

Uh so I was saying it's mostly an industrial area.

There's is the daycare to the east.

My concern would have been the one that DPW addressed.

Um, wait, where's Don?

Didn't I just hear something?

Okay.

Um, and uh hi, nice to meet you.

Um, so uh just yeah, we want to make sure there's no traffic going through the daycare lot, obviously.

That's the main concern.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Have any insight of the case?

Yeah, um, they it doesn't appear that they're able to get online.

I think they're still in list on listen-only mode.

Um, so they have to enter in their pin.

Uh so we don't even know if they're scared.

Uh yeah, I'm not sure, Mr.

Chair.

All right.

Um you guys just took going to the previous you know the previous application.

No, we don't know them.

Um the previous person that was here, we heard about that from the property owner.

I guess their business partner had backed out of like going through with it, so they ended up not doing it, and the owner re-listed it for lease.

So that's when we saw it and talked with the owner.

How long is your lease?

Um, it's currently two years, and then it's renewable for another two years after that.

Mr.

Chair, I believe um the person online when when appropriate should be able to speak.

Okay, let's find out what the point.

Okay, Brian, you're self-muted.

Um, if you want to unmute yourself, we should be able to swear you in.

Brian, if you can hear us if you unmute yourself and then just give us your name and mailing address.

We know she wants to speak on this.

He yeah, he raised his hand.

Um, it looked like he got through, but now he's just self-muted.

So maybe we can send a message.

I just want to get this gentleman on his way if he's not feeling well.

I'll just send that okay.

We don't have any objections.

We don't have any in our file.

Okay, he's disappeared.

Okay.

Uh board members.

Ms.

Chair.

Yes.

I can make a motion if nobody else has any uh questions or anything.

Go ahead.

All right.

Uh having found that the four criteria necessary to grant a special use have been met based on the evidence and the file and the technical review that was conducted by these departments.

Uh I move the grant to special use for a period of three years.

Second.

Board member right?

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Board member current.

Aye.

Chairman Smyski.

And Chairman Mohberg.

Aye.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Have a good evening.

Yeah.

Hope you feel better.

Yeah.

Item number 33, 4030 South Pine has been adjourned.

Uh the next item is item number 34.

3264 South Indiana Avenue.

Request to construct a detached garage that exceeds the maximum lot coverage allowed.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak on 3264 South Indiana Avenue?

Okay.

And I don't see anyone with their hand raised for this item.

Hi, could you give us um we might want to pull the mic closer to you?

Could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Jacqueline Over's 3264 South Indiana Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53207.

Thank you.

DPW.

Oh, wait, I'm jumping the gun.

Um thank you.

Could you um just let us know?

Uh do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Thank you.

Very good.

ABW?

Nothing.

No comment.

DCD.

Nothing additional.

Um just because we we've had some recent garages.

Can you know this obviously seems like a different lot space and it's distinguishable, perhaps.

Maybe someone can make a record from the city about this space and why this is a different uh scenario than we've recently seen with with respect to larger garages.

This site is larger than that site.

Uh we don't have setback issues or just slightly over the lot coverage issue, and we don't believe that it would impact other neighbors.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um the board members have any questions.

Anything you want to add?

Seems like it's going okay.

I hope so.

All right.

Uh is there a motion?

Mr.

Chair Haven found out the criteria necessary to grant this dimensional variance have been met based on the evidence from the file testimony received.

I'd make motion to uh uh grant this to run with the land.

Second, okay, board member right.

I board member St.

Arnold Bell.

All right, board member current, aye, Vice Chairman Smithy.

Hi, okay.

That's the end of our 415 calendar.

We're a little bit high, but we're gonna take a five minute break.

All right.

Just to do it.

I didn't open anything.

Karen, are you back yet?

Ready to go.

Okay, thank you.

All right.

We'll uh get on with our next block.

Five fifteen calendar.

Are there any adjournments in this section?

Yes.

Yes.

Item number thirty-seven.

So that is forty one fifty-two North Thirty-fifth street.

That item is adjourned and will not be heard today.

Request to occupy the premises as a hand car wash and left our vehicle sales and repair facility.

And this is a new operator.

Okay.

All right.

Can you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Okay, Mr.

Turner, could you please raise your right hand?

Do you and then uh please pull the mic closer to you as well.

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give?

Is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yeah.

Thank you.

Right.

Uh DPW.

Uh DPW would like to emphasize that no more than 15 vehicles are parked outside on a lot for any reason at any time, that no work on vehicles occurs in the public right-away, and that no fence gate is installed on the garage door facing West Center Street or the garage door facing the adjacent east-west public alley at any time.

No security doors or gates installed at the garage door shall project into or obstruct the public right-of-way.

Okay, thank you, DNS.

We have our standard comments, and I can provide any context on the site if the board desires.

Thank you, DCD.

Nothing additional.

What was the Mr.

Richardson?

The prior was there a prior Bose approval for this use at this schedule?

I don't remember exactly what the other person was doing, but there was uh someone that was approved on June 27th of 24 for a period of five years.

I don't know if they're all doing the exact same things that um this gentleman is doing.

It was automobile related.

Mr.

Turner, do you know your the guy before you was doing in this spite in this?

Um no, I think you're doing the same thing, but I don't know.

Okay, I was just curious.

Yeah.

Um what how long is your lease for?

Five years.

Do you have another?

Is this do you have another business you're just moving or is this just relocation?

Yes, ma'am.

Well, they addressed the phone 40 second bond away.

Um relocating to a bigger same are the are you gonna do the same things there, just more space?

More space, same, the same thing.

Okay, board members, any questions?

Mr.

Chair, uh having found that the criteria necessary to grant the special use have been met based on the evidence from the file testimony received.

I'd make motion to approve this for a period of five years with conditions in the hearing summon.

Second, Madam Secretary, board member right, aye, board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Hi, board member current.

Aye, Vice Chairman Smithsky.

I thank you.

All right, thanks.

Take care.

Item number 36, 1926 West North Avenue.

Request to occupy the premises as a community center.

Um, and again, Mr.

Chair, there is no one online at this time.

Is there anyone in the audience?

Hello.

Hi.

Could you just give us your names and mailing addresses, please?

Uhter, uh 1305 north um 1235 3205.

Thank you.

Shantelge Hexon, um, 1305 and north 12th Street.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53205.

Thank you.

And if you could both please raise your right hands.

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh let's hear from DPW.

Nothing to add.

DNS.

No additional comments, though.

We would be in support of a relatively short approval time frame, just so that we can report back on the success of the operation.

Okay.

DNS, uh, DNS again.

I'm just kidding, DCD.

We concur with the short approval.

Um, I recommend that at most three years.

Uh, there is we have no objection to a community center here.

I do have some concerns that uh apparently you have three employees and you've got a wide range of activities, so I don't know how that's going to be managed or you've got a volunteers or or whatever, but that was a concern that I had.

Did I don't know if I just did you guys apply for this exact business someplace else and never got it off there?

Now this this name is like identical.

Oh, that wasn't me, but I know somebody that dated.

Okay, same name.

Oh, I no.

I just does no one else remembers.

I swear I remember this hideout.

Uh we had there was a Tina now.

Oh, maybe that's it.

It was a very similar thing.

Okay.

Well, if you so there we do have um we do uh just to I don't know if you guys are aware, but there's uh an a neighbor who had some concern.

They filed a letter.

It was just sort of um concerned about the congestion and the traffic that this may generate.

As far as traffic um the landlord of the property they are giving us um where they're providing like five spaces for us and I'm sure well we provide services too like transportation services so we're willing to pick up kids and you know things of that nature um but yeah we I feel like we got a couple of spaces available just for us I imagine you're likely not gonna be having a many of your teens driving themselves to the and needing to take up parking spaces is that correct drop offs maybe and then um you guys will do some transportations and and uh bus I guess yes and then and you have three employees yes as of right now but hopefully in the future we'll get more are these all these things going on kind of simultaneously at this space or do you have more of a schedule?

Um simultaneously yep at different times just um depending on who's available like far as the tutoring I spoke with a couple of teachers and stuff you know of schools um they're willing to come in um I don't know when they're they'll be available but they're they said they're um offering the services to come in and do a little tutoring yep so some of the services specifically the tutoring are gonna involve outside you know contractors or volunteers coming in they'll be managing their group of yes the teens or whatever that that are a lot of things will be held on zoom too oh okay yep how long is your lease for um a year it could be a year or two but I'm gonna do a year do you guys have any experience in doing anything like this other before is this your first time to be honest this isn't our first time this is mine but I'm a school bus driver so I deal with kids all day yeah I yeah all day especially teenagers so I feel like my bus is really tanged I can you know okay it's challenging but I feel like I got it well the recommendation for you know uh trial period if you will make sense to me um what does the board think I can make a motion if anybody has it other questions or not sure uh having found that the four criteria necessary to grant a special use have been met and based on the evidence in the file and the technical review uh move the grant this special use for a period of two years subject to the department's notes second board member right aye board member St.

Ernard Bell board member current aye vice chairman smisky all right chairman Lomber aye all right thank you can I give somebody a hug on this eight stuff I'm just kidding we can all right item number 37 4152 north 35th street that item has been adjourned item number 38 7418 West Hampton Avenue request to increase the number of children per chef from 49 to 69 to increase the ages of the children from infant to 13 years of age to infant to 14 years to increase the hours of operation from 6 a.m to midnight to 24 hours and to continue occupying the premises as a daycare center operating Sunday through Saturday and this is a new operator um and Mr.

Chair again there's nobody online um could you give us your names and mailing addresses or DC right you say an address yes 3441 north 47th Street Milwaukee Wisconsin 53216 thank you Lazella Snowden 7418 North 77 thank you could you both please raise your right hands do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes thank you all right uh DPW DPW would just like to request that the applicant maintains the existing loading zone on West Hampton Avenue okay these uh DNS D C D nothing additional all right are you do you guys operate a daycare someplace else and they're looking to relocate or no I'm gonna know new to the new to this um well I have an in-home one but I want to move to group okay the term of your lease five years Mr True make a motion go ahead having found that the criteria necessary to grant the special use happen that based on the evidence in the file testimony received but make motion to approve this for a period of three years with any conditions on the hearing so Lindsay was that you board member right aye

So term of your lease.

Five years.

Mr.

True, make a motion.

Go ahead.

Having found that the criteria necessary to grant the special use have been that based on the evidence in the file testimony received.

But make motion to approve this for a period of three years with any conditions in the hearing summer.

Lindsay, was that you?

Yes.

Board member right.

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

And Chairman Mullenberg.

Aye.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I thought item number 39, 6270, North 6, sorry, North 76th Street.

Request occupy the premises as a light motor vehicle repair facility.

Hello.

Could you please give us your name and mailing address?

Uh Cory Boo 10301 West Juniper Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 5324.

And could you please spell your last name, please?

V as in Victor UE.

Thank you.

Um, and then please raise your right hand.

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Uh DPW.

DPW would like to request that no work on vehicles occurs in the public right away.

DNS, no additional comments.

DCD.

Nothing additional.

Okay.

Straightforward.

Board members have any questions.

How long is your lease term?

Oh yeah.

One year.

And you are not selling cars, you're just repairing.

No, yeah, no selling car to care.

I can make a motion, Mr.

Chair.

Go ahead.

Ready?

So uh having found that the um four criteria have been met to grant us grant a special use permit uh based on the evidence in the file.

Um that was conducted by the departments that move to grant the special use for a period of two years.

Second board member right?

Aye, board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye, board member current.

Vice Chairman Smyski and Chairman Lomberg.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Good night.

All right, item number 40, 1504 East North Avenue.

Request to construct a non-restaurant drive-through facility that does not meet the minimum build out on the secondary street frontage.

Hello.

Good evening.

Hi, could you please give us good evening?

Could you please give us your name and mailing address?

Yes, uh Bob Monet, 330 East Kilburn Avenue by 3202, representing 1504 North Avenue LLC.

Thank you.

Could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

I do.

All right, uh DPW.

DPW would like to note that a permit should be obtained for any work in the public right away, including regrading the East Sidewalk area of North Cambridge Avenue.

DPW would also like to request that the unused driveways be removed and restored to City of Milwaukee specifications within one year.

DPW permit should be obtained prior to the start of any construction in the public right-of-way.

DNS, no additional comment.

DCD.

Yes, the board approved this project back in 2022, but they were not able to get their permits in time.

So they've got uh as far as I can tell, like the identical um proposal.

I I should note uh my records indicate that when this came through us through us before that the um east uh north avenue the um architectural review board had done preliminary approval of the plans, but that they would not give final approval until they have construction drawings to um they sent on.

So it's as long as they uh you know comply with anything that the ARB has, we have no objection.

What was the how I I remember we did a pretty it was like 15 years 15 years from uh June 30th uh 2022 and well the that's for the drive-thru and then um we had some dimensional variances that ran with the land anyone make the motion yeah having found that the five criteria necessary to grant the dimensional variants have been met uh based on the testimony provided today and the information in the hearing summary.

I would move to approve that approve that to run with the land and having find the having found that the four criteria necessary to grant special use have been met based on the testimony and information in the file.

uh June 30th uh 2022 and well though that's for the drive thru and then um we had some dimensional variances that ran with the land anyone make the motion yeah having found that the five criteria necessary to grant the dimensional variance have been met uh based on the testimony provided today and the information in the hearing summary i would move to approve that approve that to run with the land and having been having found that the four criteria necessary to grant special use have been met based on the testimony and information in the file i would move to approve that to run concurrent with the previous um approval second okay board member right okay so ask for clarification on the can run concurrent with the previous approval what does that mean well i want to ask is there any objection to just doing a fresh 15 year approval that that would be really important for the credit union so then thank you board member same arnold bell modifies her motion to just be a new 15 year approval and was that a second still second it all right board member right aye board member st arnold bell aye board member current aye vice chairman smysky and chairman lomber aye thank you thank you all very much appreciated oh or uh what you bring that reopen that yeah they wanted to see condition oh uh let's reopen this then because we have to make a modification to the condition for what mr richardson said um subject to the so that written that adds condition um it's not so our standard condition typically grants them a year to get all of their permits otherwise they have to come back so um mr richardson is proposing giving them two years to get their permits yeah to avoid this whole problem which is what he made so he made a reference to that does anybody feel yeah let's just be let's is there a motion to reopen motion to reopen second and call the role um board member right aye board member say on the bell aye board member current aye by chairman smysky and chairman milburg all right so this is gonna be reopened there was some there was discussion while we were on the record about expanding this the code driven one year window of time to get permits so that this uh applicant the so that this pose uh approval is actually live for the 15 years this is why it did not work the first time because there was some delay Mr.

Richardson suggested doing uh two years as a condition and and giving him a little bit more time is anybody have any objection to that and um if not we can just make sure that that's part of the written decision hearing no objection is that are you going to make your same motion yes I can make it again having found that the dimensional variance has been met I move to approve that to run with the land and having found that the criteria for special use have been met I move to approve that for a period of 15 years.

Second both again okay board member right aye board member St.

Arnold Bell aye board member current aye vice chairman smisky and chairman Lumber all right so that'll be written that'll be reflected in writing that the two year that you have a little bit of window there.

So much appreciated okay thank you thank you so much item number 41 1216 north 13th street request to continue occupying the premises as an emergency residential shelter um do not see anyone online I don't know yeah we call 42 as well I know that they're there's separate use of separate properties but we can definitely call them both I just wonder if there's gonna be any over yeah that that was gonna be my question.

Okay all right uh and then number 42 1214 north 13th street request to continue occupy the premises as a transitional housing facility all right and then are there anyone else present on this item any of you guys here for that you guys are okay come on forward yes okay um all right let's get so the four you're the applicant for the three of you wish wish to uh speak as well correct all right so let's get everyone sworn names mailing addresses and sworn we'll hear from the city departments we'll hear from are are you three in opposite an opposition to this there's a fourth four you just come and sit in the front row and we'll we'll actually could you just sit back for one second we'll hear from them first are you in opposition to sir because that way you can hear everything and then we'll have you come forward and address all right um go ahead with names and mailing addresses and then please uh just make sure you pull the mic as close to you as possible thanks a baby omiranda okay and your mailing address 11931 West Mill Road Milwaukee Wisconsin 53225 thank you and could you spell your last name please for the court reporter M I R A N D A.

Thanks, Evelio Miranda.

Okay, and your mailing address?

11931 West Mill Road, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53225.

Thank you.

And could you spell your last name, please for the court reporter?

M-I-R-A-N-D-A.

Thank you.

Okay.

Could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

My name is uh Freddy de los Santos, and my address is uh one two three for West Juno Avenue.

Okay, and then um Santos de Los Santos, thank you.

Just pull the mic closer.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So it's actually 2403 North 34th Street.

I'm the property manager for Sergeant Residents.

Thank you.

Dr.

Robbie Sergeant, um 1303 West Juneau Avenue.

Thank you.

We'll have the applicant get supporting.

Okay, okay.

So could you all please raise your right hands?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Thank you.

Right.

DPW.

DPW would like to request that the applicant provides at least four usable bikes, bicycle parking spaces that are easily accessible to the main building entrance within 60 days.

And then um I note that on the next item um item 42.

There's a request that request for two bicycle parking for that parcel.

Correct.

Yeah, okay.

DNS.

No additional comments on either is okay.

Deep uh DC nothing additional.

Thank you.

Um we do have the the reason I wanted to call these both together, aside from the fact that it's the same applicant, but there was the letter of objection was in one file, and that's for the guest house.

And the um the the uh emergency shelter piece.

There's also a transitional housing facility request, and I just wanted instead of re uh calling it and having people come back up.

I want to make sure all objections were object were addressed for if they apply to both parcels that we just talk about this all at once.

So who wants to start?

And I just want to um we're talking about both the both the uh property at 1216 13th and 1214 13.

So who wants to start?

Um on the matter of the um emergency shelter.

Yeah, so I am neighbor.

Uh I am the pastor of the Seven Day Adventist Church, which is the neighbor uh building to the guest house.

Um so in the last few years, we we have been a lot of issues with the uh homeless uh community that is around the guest house.

And the thing is that they come to the steps of the church and and the entrance of the church, and they use that area to do all kinds of things in the in our building.

So also in the parking lot behind the the church, they cross uh between the guest house uh property and the church.

Uh they use it as a driveway uh between the buildings, and we um we are a church um that have a lot of children, and and we have a very uh wonderful community there, but we we have a our people are scared about the things going on in the in the area.

Some of the things that I can mention um is that um we have people uh sleeping out at the door of the church, uh throwing all kinds of uh trash and some uh uh biological hazard, like needles, um condoms, um uh glass, uh and and a lot of trash in the area.

There are many empty lots around the neighborhood, and they use the neighborhood also that the lots to throw trash and to camp uh many um uh months of the year, especially in winter, they camp on on those lots, and they bring all sorts of uh you know uh uh trash that they leave in on the street.

Um we have some incidents also in our building.

Uh some of the on-house people, they uh breaking into our building a few times, and one of them you uh when we are doing service, sometimes they uh enter the building because we serve food and they want food, and it's fine.

We we give them, but one came once with a knife and thread um uh uh some of our people, and that was a dangerous situation.

Uh few weeks ago, we have another incident.

Uh when one of them was sleeping on the entrance of the church, and one of the deacons told him that he needs to move because we have service, and he was threatening the um the um the deacon, so he's gonna break windows and break uh windows of the cars park on the front of the church.

So the situation is out of control.

We are really uh being patient with the situation, and uh we're working with the uh community police, and they sometimes come to patrol and and to be in the building uh and to you know move the people away from the building, but the situation is is really out of control, and we are losing members because of that.

People are scared to come.

We have a lot of children.

We do in summertime, we do a lot of children programs also, and the situation is very scary, and yes, and we have uh some other concern, and and I know that the neighbors will address also uh the situation, but this is the main thing, and we really want this to be um uh you know uh different.

Um thank you.

And and this may be silly question, but how are you are you able to determine that these the people that are causing problems are coming from the trend the emergency shelter?

Yeah, but they are they come to the to this location because at the shelter they get service, so so it's it's uh I think it's a um they are attracted from to get service there.

So this is the only uh building that provides service to the on-house people, and and they have the same issue a few years ago when they have a camp of uh across the guest house, like I don't know, to any tents there.

So I so are you saying that you believe that the people that are like camping out are people that there's not room for at the emergency shelter, and they're just camping out or I'm trying to find out how do you know because look, there could just how do you know it's the guest house that's the people that are coming from that these people that are bothering your church are coming from the guest house, and it's not just other people in the neighborhood.

Yeah, I just want to I just want to be clear.

You think that they're being attracted to their seeking services from the guest house, and then they're just no they stay around yellow um, yeah.

But you don't have like seen somebody walk from there over to your property, and then had a conversation with someone at the guest house, or it's trying to help me tell me understand how you know that it's the it's the it's the transition, the emergency shelter that is causing these people to bother your church.

Yeah, uh I know for because I I am the pastor of the church, and I uh we've been in meeting with uh the uh many occasions we have talked to the uh guest house, we have meetings, we have at the uh talk about the situation, and also the neighbors that they are they are there, they live there, and they we communicate and they send me picture, they they know they live right there, and they I they know the issue.

Uh so we we we yeah that's yeah, it's first hand, yeah.

Thank you.

Do you want to say something?

Um answer to you to your question is sometimes when there is no place in the shelter or something, uh people that they don't have a place to stay.

Why we know that those are uh from the guest houses because no other place are packed with this uh people, they are only our property.

So I am also concerned about the safety of our kids.

We are not trying to let the kids go around uh outside our building because uh uh the danger that is around.

know that those are uh from the guest houses because no other place are packed with this uh people they are only our property so i am also concerned about the safety of our kids we are not trying to let the kids go around uh outside our building because uh uh the danger that is around so we are keeping them but there is no reason for us to be in like an a jail uh knowing that there is another way to solve this situation and for healthy reason reason also we would like you to take an action because this situation is been on and on for a long time i also i i also pastored that that that church from uh 2012 to 2016 and i was dealing also with this situation we tolerate all these years but there is now a condition that is no way that we can support uh that uh situation there we we have uh um like uh a naked woman sleeping on the step like for two or three weeks there and this is very concerning for our child for our members and the children so that that was uh um i guess you know one question what if if if a if an agency that is providing services to people who are on housing in need disappears well what are what wouldn't that almost make don't you think that could exacerbate your problem that means nobody has the opportunity to get assistance and they're all gonna be coming here yeah but but um I just want I'm not I'm just wondering I mean I know I understand most people have the attitude of we all I think most decent people agree that folks that are in need need help and that it's a good thing but then yes of course there's a can be an element of mental health issues drug issues things that can cause neighborhoods some difficulties and it's kind of finding that balance but I'm just wondering it could it could be it could be very negative for your community to lose to lose uh I mean somebody that's providing help and services for folks that are in need it's a double double source yeah a double edge source uh but I think we we need to look at the other side of the coin because uh you know the church has been there close to 25 years some and and and I think these last two years uh like from the pandemic uh to here is being the worst and is is unsustainable and it it is bad do you think that just to be believe I'm sorry Mr.

Lomber cross close up thank you do you believe we've been talking about the emergency shelter but do you believe that the that the transitional housing um next door is also part of this or do you think it's really specific to the transit to the emergency residential shelter use or do you not know um I'm not sure okay because uh can you can you tell more about the transitional house well it's just there's there's two built there they have two two properties right next door to each other one is like a more you know it's more um people are gonna be staying there for longer and and um the applicant can come up and and give answers to your questions that but the emergency shelter is going to be like very very short term and I'm just wondering you you you're the objection that was filed and the concerns were filed only relative to the emergency shelter and it's very important for us to understand if you know if one is if you say look the the transitional housing has been great I haven't had any problems it's really specific to this emergency shelter I just don't if you don't know that is fair you probably don't because it's people could be coming from either place but I just want to know if you have information.

No I don't I don't know yeah all right to be fair thank you very much appreciate uh all the testimony go ahead well basically this is the thing I actually go and check it two times a day that is actually there's two properties there where he had one of the properties burned by somebody that actually stayed there or could not get any shelter at the the outside there now we're actually struggling right now because the insurance did not give us enough money to actually finish up what we were supposed to be finished six months ago which can you just clarify which properties are you talking about 1303 with Juno Avenue and then the the one on door 13th is going to be a restaurant where we're modeling so you own the two properties and you're managing manage the properties and one of those properties and uh basically I did catch one of the persons that actually was and actually went inside the shelter they actually sheltered them I called the police the police actually took two hours to actually get there.

Well, what's been happening?

Not arson, everything issues with the people there.

There's actually attracting a lot of people, bad people.

Let's say drug dealers, a lot of crazy people.

Hold on, here's actually the other thing.

There's a lot of miners, a lot of minors that are actually selling themselves to actually the people there.

And they actually I've seen girls that are not even 15.

And uh they're not doing anything about it.

Nobody's actually checking up on it.

When you stay here, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, hold on.

Hold on.

When you say there it's happening every week, are you talking about police con police responses?

What do you mean?

Now it's actually getting a little bit better.

But it was before where it was actually taking four hours.

I know, but I'm trying to clarify.

You it's a very you said it's happening every lot of mental illness.

It's not really about the homeless.

There's a lot of you're just not answering.

I don't know what you're trying to think.

What is happening every week?

What exactly I'm asking you, you said it is happening every week.

It's happening every day.

What?

Every day.

What?

Uh people trying to go inside the buildings.

You're yes, yes.

And uh basically we have to actually patrol the area.

We have to actually do that.

That's something that the police don't have time to actually be doing.

Now, the other thing is it's attracting a lot of drug use, a lot of drug dealers.

And this is actually attracting a lot of younger kids.

They're not even 18.

The the youngest one I've seen, it's probably like 13 or 14.

And they're actually selling themselves there in that area.

The pastor, you mentioned police as well.

Are there any police reports for this activity?

Have you spoken with the older person in regards to what's going on?

Did you have a fruitful conversation with the person that's the business or building owner of the two properties that are in question to try to resolve some of these problems at all?

I I've been in two meetings with the police department.

Uh Officer Keene, I think he's in charge of the uh community police.

And we've been talking about the situation and and um I signed a order to uh trespass individuals that are in the in the using the the build our building.

And um we are in the process of uh setting up uh some uh vigilance uh uh cameras and on the building too.

And every time the recommendation from the police department is that every time that we see people there to call.

So we've been doing the last three weeks.

Uh we've been calling, calling, and that there should I don't have the record, but they should be a uh record on okay.

Outside of that, had you had you had any dialogue with uh the business owner or or building owner and the older person in charge of the area, no we have any um DNS that we don't there's not any enforcement history.

I mean, is there uh no?

I'm not I'm not seeing uh any uh joint inspections.

Um that would be what would show up on DNS records.

Um but we certainly uh hear the testimony.

Yeah, all right.

Well, we're gonna did you have anything, sir.

Are you kind of helping out with well?

We do have a chain of emails to the Catherine Thelo that is the district attorney that we meet with the police, and there is a chain of chain of emails about what's going on and everything, and we keep emailing uh Bob Bowman or Alderman, and he's not really helping us, so uh we reach out to everybody for help in the area because I'm putting a restaurant in a uh Jewel and Vernon's inn in the business there, and that's gonna take away the you know, the area that I have there because I'm gonna have to hire a security guard just to watch the property as people go in and eat and go inside of the building.

I don't think I have to be having to pay for something like that because of the area.

All right, thank you guys.

Can you all just um we'll have you set back and we'll have the applicant come forward and we'll get him sworn and he can address some of this for your testimony?

Did you what?

Oh, he didn't uh was that one more?

No.

Hello.

Could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Uh yeah, Steven Bauer, CEO of the guest house, home address 5535 South 31st Street, uh, Greenfield, Milwaukee, Greenfield, Wisconsin 5321.

Okay, and I could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

All right.

Well, I guess.

Yeah, but as you you've heard the testimony from the neighbors who you want to address those um those points, and I'm sure we'll have some questions.

Sure.

Joe, I just want to hit you to have a chance to respond.

Yeah, no, I appreciate it.

Um, let me start by saying that uh I've got nothing against the church.

Like I've I they volunteered at guest house in the past.

Um, I appreciate all of that.

Um, you know, we run a homeless shelter that houses 86 guys a night.

Uh, we're the only low barrier men's shelter that has a built-in mental health facility in the state of Wisconsin.

Um, and we're an integral part of the winter warming effort uh in Milwaukee to keep people alive during cold winters.

Um I came on board as CEO, uh permanent uh CEO in uh 2000 March of 2024.

Uh and since then I've been trying my best to engage with the community and help them understand what we do at guest house, but then at the same time, uh, you know, be open to uh comments, concerns, that sort of thing.

Um there's one neighbor here that's that's been fairly vocal as well, uh, with some challenges with people uh in her uh in her yard.

I've asked her every time she has footage.

So I appreciate your point about like how do you know that they're guests of the guest house or clients of the guest house?

Um, and every time she has sent me that about 10 or 12 videos over the past year and a half, two of those were our clients.

Those clients were spoken to immediately, uh, and one of them was actually exited because of the behavior.

Um, so we take that very seriously.

We have external security cameras on our uh building as well.

Um, they can see over the garden that we have there.

Um, and as all of the guys are taken into the shelter, part of their intake is you know, we are a neighbor of many people in this community.

So your behavior is your responsibility to ensure um we do deal a lot with men who have mental health challenges, though that's real, that's increasing, and they're getting more severe with the lack of resources out in the community right now.

Um, but I can attest that we work very closely with Milwaukee County out street outreach, uh, these street angels.

Uh, we're in contact with those folks all the time and have a number of different partnerships with that.

Uh and the county actually talked to the county this morning and just to confirm, I'm like, what is your street outreach scene when those folks are engaging in activities in front of the church?

And they've said to me um that they're not guest house clients, they're other folks in the neighborhood.

I would also like to say that uh a block away is repairs of the breach.

They do great work, but they're also a day center and a um homeless shelter.

Um both of us organizations offer winter warming stuff as well.

So um I've been doing my best to invest in the facility to invest in our security.

We've been meeting with uh the police department, the district DA.

Um, I've invited uh Pastor Freddie and uh his folks over to tour and to you know see what we're doing and try to have some of these solution meetings, and he hasn't been at any of those in the past six months.

Uh so I feel like I'm doing everything I can to be a good steward of the neighborhood.

Um, I do agree there's a lot of trash that's not all from us.

Uh and our guys, uh, my custodian is out there every day during the week doing pickup around our areas.

But I think because we are a homeless shelter, everybody seems to think that anybody who's in that area that's just sort of loitering is a homeless client of ours.

We can't, you know, control what's happening on the front stoop of the church when there's only people in that church five to six hours a week.

Uh, I think part of the problem is the the number of vacant properties uh in the area, and I've talked to uh Bauman about that um and trying to figure out some solutions, including trying to buy one of them ourselves so that we could try to uh keep drugs and everything out of it.

So um we're doing our best, but I welcome any questions.

I have a couple questions.

I would agree that it's challenging.

It's a challenging neighborhood.

Um, you know, that the vacancies pose make it really, really hard to have kind of that uh coalesced um eyes on the street, active intervention on when these things are happening.

Um I see that you you have a capacity of 86.

During, let me just rephrase so 86 are our permanent beds during our winter warming.

We take in an additional 40.

Uh, but that's only through the months of November to March.

Okay.

And how often are you at capacity between your your regular beds in your emergency every day, every day.

The need is is more than the system can take here in Milwaukee.

What is the protocol for when you're at capacity and you have to turn somebody away?

So uh I think it's important to recognize warming is a little bit different.

So guys will line up to get into warming.

That's one night, uh, one night at a time.

So that's literally just getting people off the street into a warm bed and a hot meal during the night, and then they leave the first thing the next morning.

They're not part of an ongoing program or anything like that.

They can just return, provided we have capacity in our warming center.

All of the rest of our programs, uh, including all of the shelter space in uh guest house, we don't just take people off the street.

They actually go through a coordinated entry system that a number of other shelters utilize as well, where they're assessed by coordinated entry that was housed at 211.

Um, and then based on the needs of that individual, they're referred out to the individual shelters that have the space at that moment and have the best sort of programs to um to work with that individual.

So, like I said, with the exception of warming, we don't just open up to somebody off the street.

If somebody does come to us, not for warming, but just during non-warming out uh days and and needs help, we you know, give them a phone and say call 211, get assessed, and then they will figure out the best place for you to be in the community.

Okay.

And uh just another quick question and you know, just kind of understanding.

So they're coming for warming, they're lining up, you know, you've got the 40 in that you can accommodate.

Um, for the others who can't be can't get in, and the next day when you know everybody goes out for the rest of the day.

Is there a communication?

Yeah, all of the what is that look like?

Yeah.

So again, this is just but for me.

I mean, all of the sites are connected.

Some sites like ours are specifically for men, just because that's what our facility is.

Uh, but there are other warming sites specifically for families, specifically for single women, that sort of thing.

Um, and all of them stay, it's all the same staffing folks that do that.

And so they stay in communication.

If guest house gets full, they start figuring out and calling the other sites and saying where do you have openings and then refer that individual if we are full at guest house to one of the other warming sites?

So it's like we can't accommodate you here, but they have beds to the best of our ability, yeah.

And then it's up to them to find their way to yeah, and uh we we do have uh the support of street outreach sometimes.

If if they're available to come transport individually, that individual to that other site, they will.

If we have bus tickets available, we'll give them bus tickets so they're not walking.

Um, we do whatever we can based on the resources that we have to support them getting to where they need to be.

Thank you.

Do you have a policy like if somebody is having kind of an active I know there's some mental health capability services offered on site?

Do you partner with um like or some or some like what happens for when emergency services are needed?

Mental health, sure.

So we've actually got two full-time therapists on staff at guest house that are the clinic that we provide services for.

Um so they are open and trained to do sort of crisis management so they can at least triage something that's happening uh while they're there.

If they're not there, then it's a call to MPD and the cart team to say.

So in other words, you're not um there's you're not somebody that's having a mental health crisis.

If you can't meet their needs, you're not simply turning them loose on the street.

You're no no calling for assistance to make sure they can get acute medical.

And I mean, the reality of it is we've got MPD and the fire department and EMS at our place all the time when you have 86 guys, much of them are older over the age of 60.

Um, there's lots of health problems that that happen, health and mental health problems, more so health though than mental health.

Does the board want uh the petitioner to distinguish between the uh emergency shelter and the yeah, I was trying to ask about it, but uh you if you you could do you believe there's there's likely a difference between the uh clients that you serve at the warm and the emergency shelter versus the transitional housing with respect to the potential uh this is the neighborhood that you heard about our main shelter, the 86 beds are split against or split across three different dorms.

One is our just our general dorm for men, adult men over the age of 18.

Uh, we have a special vets dorm specifically, 12 beds for vets uh to keep them in shelter.

Um, and then we have a new partnership with the uh with the county that's just a year old for men over the age of 60, which is the fastest growing demographic of uh homeless over the next 10 years.

Um the building that is between the guest house formal facility and the church is called Marsha's house.

It's a specific four-bedroom house uh that is uh only for LGBTQ plus adults uh for transitional housing.

Um up to a couple of years ago was the only one in Milwaukee.

Um, and we actually just partnered with another organization called Courage Milwaukee that specifically focuses on that population to co-program with us in that location.

Um while I think there are mental health challenges across all of those uh groups, the the the transitional housing it's pretty mild.

It's only four, four or five people at a time.

There's just a lot more people over at guest house that has a you know a lot more of a chance to have more acute mental health challenges.

And at the guest house, the emergency shelters just met, correct?

Yes.

Okay, yes.

And so referencing the naked woman.

That's what yeah.

Now Marsha's house is LGBTQ plus, so there may be biological men, women, you also, but we usually check it, we we check in with them every day.

So we know where they are and know kind of what they're they're everybody that checks into one of the programs at guest house with the exception of warming gets a case manager, and that case manager is responsible for assessing their needs, connecting them to resources and giving them a plan to move to the next level.

Two more questions, I think.

When you say that you're low barrier, um, does that mean if people are under the influence of anything that they can come in or like so low barrier uh compared to other shelters, we take in folks, we have the lowest barrier.

So we may have sex offenders in there.

We may have folks that are currently battling addiction.

Um we do specially train our staff and have security protocols that every time somebody comes into guest house, they are searched and wanted.

So we don't allow alcohol in the prom, we don't premise uh drugs or weapons, obviously.

No, um, if somebody comes back into shelter, then and they're drunk, like we're not gonna say you can't come in.

If you cause a problem, we might say you can't come back till tomorrow.

But um, but we're trying to work with people where they are.

Um, yeah.

So that's and I guess you know, we heard some pretty shocking things shared.

Have you witnessed that in the neighborhood?

I mean, I there's people hanging out on the church steps all the time.

Uh, there's also a lot just uh east of the houses that they were talking about with the restaurant and everything like that.

It's an empty city lot that tends to get tents built up in it.

Um, there's a lot of activity over there.

So I'm not saying that that activity is not there.

I've not seen prostitution or any underage girls are or young men there.

Um, but I'm not there 24 hours a day.

Uh quite frankly, it's outside of our camera range to be able to see around the corner to the um to the church front steps.

But we do everything we can to like take care of our part of the community, right?

It's just hard we can't police the entire community for folks that are just hanging out.

We also I will say too, they mentioned the garden.

Uh the garden did have an encampment in it in 2024.

Um we had a good number of people there.

There was barely any challenges.

We did have one overdose there.

But instead of just kicking everybody out, we actually worked with county to get every one of those people either into shelter or into housing.

So our goal is to get people into stable housing.

Uh, and we've also not permitted any tents or anything like that on any of our property moving forward from that.

I'll be honest.

I mean, this is really this these cases are so tough because you know, we are here because we know there is a need, right?

And and clearly that need is not being met.

And I don't think, you know, um denying a or you know, or severely limiting um existing services is going to be helpful.

But that said, it's also, I mean, it's it's hard to deny that, you know, if this is a place where people come because they're getting shelter, maybe they're bringing their friends or people are coming along because it's you know I think it perhaps the issues aren't all guest house related or related to folks who are staying at guest house, but it it's reasonable, a reasonable person could assume that you know it there's some correlation.

And I think that's where it's so critical to make sure that like people are showing up and working on problem solving together.

Because to your point, um, you know, it's it's hard to police the whole neighborhood.

Um, and you really need to lean into those partnerships.

The church needs to be at the table, guest house needs to be at the table, neighbors need to be at the table, MPD, district attorney's office, probably repairers of the breach as well.

Um King Center.

I mean, there's that's a neighborhood that needs needs to be thinking collaboratively about how they address what is a really big issue and in an inchallenging place where you have conditions, you know, not just the services, but the kind of vacancies that make it a little bit easier for people to congregate and maybe engage in activities while not being um constantly monitored.

We've also um in specific uh no loitering and trespass orders with MPD around the garden.

So it's sun up to sun down.

Uh folks can congregate over there, but no laying down, no sleeping, and then as soon as it gets dark, they have to vacate.

So um, you know, we're doing everything that we can with the property that we own to kind of put up some of that stuff, including new signage around rules that are going to be going up in the next month.

Um and possibly some fencing later on.

The challenges we have 63 raised beds that our volunteers maintain to feed the community fresh fruits and vegetables.

Um, and people can just come up and grab anytime we want.

So I don't want to close that off to the community because the community relies on it.

Um, but I am we're going to be putting some more security cameras and and uh intercom systems over there so our staff can be more communicative with people that may be over there when they shouldn't be.

And that was a uh suggestion from the DA for the third district.

I I will just say that I know that this is a reapplication.

Um the administration before me let our variance lapse on both things.

And by the time I got there and got things settled enough and realized this is the problem, it was too late.

So we had to reapply.

So that's why we're having to go through this process again.

Um, and it's you know, I'm doing everything I can to make sure that we're in the the good graces of everything that we need to do in terms of policy and protocol.

Well, we do and I agree with all the comments that board member St.

Arnold Bell made, and these are challenges.

This is this is I'm not gonna even try to say it better because she said it perfectly.

So we have and we do have the uh we do we do have a letter, um well, and an email from Alderman Bauman who said he does not have any objections to both the guest house applications.

I mean, we have a couple, I don't know if board members have additional questions.

We have a couple of options, obviously.

First of all, it does not seem, and I even I think through the testimony of the neighbors, it it really does not seem to me like there's any reason to believe that the transitional housing facility, especially given it's relatively limited, um it's it's a far less far less of a footprint than with just the with the five you said five residences living there, four or five four or five.

Um, and that and that certainly doesn't seem to be where some of the concerns are generated from.

So we could, you know, it's it's really looking at this.

I think at the take them up separately.

Yeah, it's I I think in some ways what might give me comfort, and maybe is if we can talk about this as a board here, um, is maybe a shorter term approval period on the emergency sheltering, and then um a different approval period for the um transitional housing, simply because that gives us kind of a a continual way of checking in and um, you know, I'd also probably add some conditions.

I think um one of the letters made a reference to you know, some sort of community committee.

I think it would be a really good uh move to you know, provide, you know, maybe it's quarterly meetings of neighbors with MPD, the DA's office, the church, and um, you know, to it to come together to problem solve on some of these issues that are happening.

I think I should note that there was a significant amount of testimony when they were here in 2015, and one of the recommendations was basically what uh in the St.

Arnold Bell had stated, and matter of fact, I I can read the text that um was composed uh for that that within 60 days of approval, the petitioner forms a committee comprised of neighbors to all to allow discussion on the effects of the operations of the guest house on the neighborhood.

The petition the petitioners shall hold quarterly committee meetings and file meeting minutes with the board of zoning appeals office.

That was a condition, I believe, from 2015.

And I think that's good.

My only other thought was I don't think that this, I don't think that the special use is probably is really a problem.

I think it's the variance that's being requested that is generating, as I said, most and that we would like to likely want to do a shorter term.

But does anybody want there to be the first such meeting before?

So there's have a community meeting and have um I I guess I don't understand why there has.

I know you said you've offered it, but I'm not sure why the your neighbors didn't take you up on it.

Well, one of them had we we met twice at MPD uh district three offices, and then I offer also did a tour.

We did a safety walkthrough of the entire building and and uh garden grounds.

I guess one of the challenges based on the comments that were made before, I have no problem convening the community and the people around us, but I I don't know how effective it's gonna be if these feelings are the same way, if it's gonna be a productive conversation.

Well, I think it's up to people to come and attend and voice.

If you have a meeting, it sounds like you've got you kind of have this committee with the community prosecutor that you're working on.

That's not a formal committee, which is well, I mean, but it's informal relationship, but maybe there can be, and and I I assume uh based on my you know workings with the DA's office uh throughout my career that there would be some buy-in from people being a part of that.

Um, I mean, look, if there's human trafficking happening, I would be shocked if there wasn't uh prosecutions and police activity.

That's a priority, and we we've all heard testimony from then uh district assistant district attorneys now United States assistant attorneys uh testimony about specific calls to specific areas when we're talking about group homes.

It's a very it's a focal point.

So I'm I don't I don't think um that your uh that this is happening at your shelter.

Um, and especially if you're partnering up with the community prosecutor, but I guess uh really directed to well everybody, but board member saying Arnold Bell.

Are you interested in moving forward or do you I would be comfortable moving forward?

Um I I didn't want to make a comment because I think heard other cases similar where the ills of the neighborhood, the the conditions of the neighborhood will tarnish a good useful component of the neighborhood.

That's what I offer to the rest of the board as we eliberate.

Let's separate ourselves from the general ills of the neighborhood and focus specifically on the operation of both facilities.

Yeah, I mean, I agree.

I I think that it's pretty likely that some component of guest house is there, there's gonna be some people that are getting services from you that are probably you know having some difficulties in the neighborhood.

But I would that money that if you disappeared, it would be the neighborhood would be far worse because those needs don't just go away.

The people in need of services that are from that exact neighborhood will have one will have a uh substantially less resources immediately.

Right.

I would also that's a that's a real slippery slope for um I would also feel the neighborhood just exasperate we have a full range of actual housing programs too beyond the shelters that touch about 400 leases across the the city.

So um, you know, if if we don't have a place to work, then I don't know how we can continue those programs.

So I'm uh again, like I'm I'm all for a quarterly advisory committee.

I just I just hope that everybody comes in good faith and is solution-oriented because that's what I am.

Um so yeah, I would just hope for that.

All right, board members.

Any questions or comments or recommended conditions or what's the let's let's deal with let's do it the special use because um it's item 42.

I think that's I can make motion having found it the criteria necessary to grant this special use have them that based on the evidence in the file testimony received.

I would make motion to approve this for a period of five years, uh, with conditions in the hearing summary and the additional uh establishing of a committee uh neighborhood committee based again on the language that Ed uh read earlier.

Mr.

Fisher, that's for item 42, correct?

Correct.

I'll second.

We're doing for we did the special use, we're doing 42.

We're doing it out of order.

Oh, okay.

I'm sorry.

My apologies.

Go ahead.

So seconded by board member right, madam secretary board member right.

I board member saying on board member current.

Vice Chairman Snipski and Chairman Womber.

I okay.

Now point of clarification is the I mean, I know we're one organization, it's two facilities, but are we talking about the committee requirement being associated with our main shelter facility, or is that I I think it's well vice chair Shmyski wanted it for both, and I I think where he's I'm not gonna speak for it, but I suppose that what he is getting at is what I was thinking too is that these were working together, it's not organization.

Or is that I think it's well vice chair Shemeisky wanted it for both, and I I think where he's I'm not gonna speak for it, but I suppose that what he is getting at is what I was thinking too is that these were working together, it's about organization.

I think it'd be helpful to understand what different services are offered.

Yep, yep.

Okay.

I'll I'll make a motion on the uh uh use variance having comment the criteria necessary uh has been made and I would make motion to approve this for a period of uh two years, uh then also with the additional uh condition that a committee is uh is formed and meets quarterly.

I second that motion, board member right?

I board member Stan on with though aye, board member current, I chairman Snyski, Chairman Lomberg.

I okay for those quarterly meetings.

Do I need to submit those quarterly meeting minutes to you all or how do we send those okay?

And those would be available to anybody who wants that and then lastly, with what was the term for the 1214 property, the transitional housing or something.

All right, thank you.

Thank you for everyone who came tonight.

Next item, item number 43 308 West Kilborn Avenue.

Request to occupy the premises as a principal use parking lot.

Oh, yes, I think we should do yeah 440.

Yeah, 44.

Could you please um you might want to pull the mic towards you?

Um you give your name and mailing address, please.

John 511 Broadway, Milwaukee uh 532.

Vic Bonwallows 2205 North Lake Drive, Milwaukee 53202.

Thank you.

Could you have the first brief?

Sorry, the first the gentleman, could you repeat yours and get closer to the microphone?

John Donahue, 511 North Broadway, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 5321.

Do you get that, Karen?

Yes, much better.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And then could you both please raise your right hands?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Yes.

All right, DPW.

Nothing to that.

DNS.

No additional comments.

DCD.

DCD has this historically looked at uh downtown parking lots as potential development sites, and as such, you know, we've frequently requested very short uh approval times.

There was a proposal a couple of years ago for developing this site.

So it is our recommendation that if the board uh plans to grant the special use that be for a period of two years.

Thank you.

Are you here in favor or an opposition?

I'm just part of um power parking, the company that runs the parking lot.

I'm with Jay Jeffers, property ownership.

Okay.

We did read there's an objection in the file.

Um from some people that live at the general commons condos or those condos or those apartments, apartments, apartments, and you know that uh DCD uh this despite the comments that right now this is still right in the heart of the convention entertainment district, so it's like surface parking use.

Yeah, I kind of understand why there's a need if there's going to be developed into further uh more appropriate uses.

Um harmonious with the vision for that area, of course.

Uh that would be fantastic, but I just don't know that I think that should be expected for someone who lives right in that district that there's going to be surface lot usage around the many venues where uh people are parking and going to games, concerts, conventions, whatever.

So yeah, I would say that there's a development proposal, they're not gonna wait around for a proof to expire.

Right, right, exactly.

So I just don't know that I under I'm sympathetic to the concerns that are raised, but this is not going the hope is that this is not gonna be a long-term, you know, surface lot and that they'll be that this lot overfills and takes their parking, so it's not too parking in general, it's just right, and I think if you know if there's a development is congruent in the city, there's gonna be less parking over.

And I think if you know if there's a development is congruent in the city, there's gonna be less parking over.

I am a bit confused about the letters of objection.

So maybe I could just ask your question to help verify for the folks that are leasing at Journal of Commons.

Um is parking part of their lease in addition, it's an addition.

And if they pay addition, are they guaranteed a spot?

They're guaranteed a spot in the lot, but it's not reserved.

Well, they're guaranteed a spot in either the lot or the parking deck that we have below the surface.

Okay.

So the complaints that um you know, folks who have paid the park, paid through their lease, um, but have not been able to park because it's been uh sold through power park.

How do how do you fix like what's the resolution?

Well, since these letters have come in, we've spent some time talking with the tenants uh addressing their concerns as well as talking with Power Parking, our parking operator to make sure that uh we have uh better operation on site or any of our tenants that actually do pay for monthly parking to have a spot within the deck or the parking lot, and then any of the additional spots could be then rented out for entertainment purposes, then maybe you know, sports game, uh concert venue, something like that.

Okay, so essentially you will reserve spots for for those who are paying, and then whatever is left.

We we have also added some more technology to the garage.

So now we have um LPR cameras, license plate recognition cameras, and they they help us with occupancy.

We can we can see how many cars are in there.

Um, and we can we can say, okay, we're gonna let 50 additional cars in because there's 70 uh tenants already in there, and there's a hundred and eighty spaces to work with, whatever the number is.

Um, we've also included some staff members for from power parking.

So there is someone on site every time there's an event manning the the garage door, and there's also two people on the other side, so the surface lot, uh making sure that they're directing traffic, parking people where they're supposed to be, you know, parking and not just around the edges or whatever it might be.

So yeah, there's been three staff members added to every event and the cameras since the um complaints just mic sorry.

Yes, and just um it's the use, I don't think is causing these problems.

It's the contracts, the you know what access the renters have through their through their lease agreements.

It sounds like they've taken some good faith efforts to address that.

Go ahead.

Sorry, question for DCD.

Do we have any sort of landscape plan on file for this site?

Um, I believe we do.

Um, I can recall this site came to the board about at least 20 years ago, probably closer to 30.

It used to be an area that where the Milwaukee Journal parked its trucks, and that is why if you look at pictures of the site, it has a very high record of metal fence with columns.

That was something that the city plan commission requested when it was kind of truck parking.

Um trying to recall if I actually found a landscape plan and um you know I uh I base this basically off of pictures because I did not have a landscape plan that really kind of reflects um you know what's what's there and the use of the lot again is is changed significantly from when it first came to BOSA so we were basically trying to uh maintain what is there and to do that replacement, etc.

in terms of what is there I'm sorry, Lindsay, I need the microphone.

You got it, Karen.

Uh having found that the uh four criteria necessary to grant a special use have them meant based on the testimony provided today and the information here in the file.

I will move to approve this for a period of five years, subject to the conditions in the hearing summary.

Five years, yeah, right.

Second.

Okay.

Board member right?

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye.

Board member current.

Hi.

Vice Chairman Samyski.

All right.

And Chairman Malberg.

Doesn't matter what I say.

Aye.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

We'll do the next two together.

So we're item number 44, 324 North 15th Street.

Request to occupy the premises as a multifamily building that does not provide the required off-street parking.

And item number 45.

Yeah.

Could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Kendall Brunig VR EU NIG addresses 10700 West Venture Drive, Franklin.

Thank you.

And could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Thank you.

Okay.

Regarding a property at 1357 West St.

Paul.

DPW would like to emphasize that a permit is obtained to construct a new driveway approaches on West St.

Paul Avenue.

DPW permits must be obtained prior to the start of any book and the public right-of- DNS.

And then nothing additional on but I could I comment on one second.

Okay.

Anything additional on uh three, two, four or south and north 15th.

Nothing additional on 324.

324 North 15th.

Okay.

DNS.

No additional comment on either case.

ECD.

It's kind of a unique situation that uh the first case is for uh to waive parking requirements.

Right, but that basically because they have the parking next door and there's different zoning between the two parcels.

So it in the long run, we're basically getting what we get is just because of the difference in zoning that we had to word it this way.

And uh we do recommend that both of these uh run with the land.

Okay.

I should uh note I don't know if it's gonna matter to the petitioner or not, but this is one case where we might want to speculate uh granting a two-year get the permits of approval of okay.

Well, it's a pretty large undertaking.

What was your comment?

It's a driveway approach.

Was that what you uh we already have the driveway permit and it's installed?

Then it should be fine.

Yeah, I mean, this is more.

Yes, so you're good.

Any do you do you would do you uh anticipate being there being any issue getting all of your uh permits so that you can get your occupancy within one year?

Are you completing the project, or do you think you're gonna need two years?

Um it would be good to give me, I'm expecting to finish hopefully by late uh 2027 2027.

Okay, so at least two years.

I've already gone through six public hearings.

I have these two.

I have one more for historic preservation commission.

Um not only do I have to satisfy these requirements, but I'm also at the same time working with the National Park Service and the State Historic Society.

So sometimes these things go back and forth a little bit.

Uh at this point, the plans are pretty much the same.

The one condition that came back recently from the National Park Service with the site plan is I propose to put four brick tiers along with a fence at the main front entrance of the building, and the National Park Service said that that detracted from the historic character of the building.

Luckily, they gave me guidance that I could install instead just decorative fencing rather than the chain link that's there now.

Uh so that's the only thing that has changed from what I submitted.

And um, yeah, it's it's kind of the when the building or when the property was rezoned, they didn't want to merge the properties together because that could have allowed for construction of multifamily on the other lot.

So we knew at the time it would require coming back to BOSA for uh because you know the the building has no parking and the parking has no building.

Right.

So well, I think then I think we could probably make the special condition for the two-year the expanded um timeline.

And then if that's a condition, if there's some holdup because he's going to multiple agency and seek condition modification to expand that without having to reapply.

Is that does that seem doable, Ed?

Um we make a specific condition to ex to it to double the time period to 12 months to 24 months, and there's some hang up with going to historical society or something, and he needs a little bit more time.

He can come in as a condition modification specifically and not have to completely start this project.

That's the general goal.

That's why we want to.

So that's why we should do.

I think we should do that.

Um, and then if you're if it's gonna somehow take more than two years, it'll get easy.

That's that's for completion, but once it's completed, I don't need to come back on every project's done.

Do these uses forever.

Correct.

Yeah, and the the plan commission also requires or the planning department or the planner viewers are also requiring easement between the two properties that has to be recorded yet before the the permits are issued.

We know we're trying to help make sure that you've been here most of the evening, and there was another um item where somebody had a big project that got a little bit delayed, and then we had to come and reapply basically.

We're trying to help prevent that for a project of this scale.

So hopefully it works.

Takes longer, you can come back in for a modification and get a little bit more time, but you don't have to know.

Once it's done, presumably it will be uh run with the land on both the use and the variance.

Any other questions or comments?

I have a question about um, I guess the fence question when you're talking about chain link versus decorative metal, the decorative metal is only at the south.

No, that would be the northwest corner, right?

It's chain link everywhere else.

Currently my option would have been to leave the chain link, which I really didn't want to do.

So they did give me guidance, and I have since prepared but not yet submitted.

That was the only condition remaining, and the only other thing I have on my part two approval is the wood flooring selection.

So I'm very very close.

Uh I mean, I have enough from the park service to proceed with construction.

Does that fence modification have any does that create a need for she just submit those revised plans?

The final plans to the Bose office.

Is that raising any red flags for I mean, you know, they'd have to just prior to what they do need to code.

We basically were uh relying on the historic preservation folks to really kind of guide their design on this.

So another, yeah, should be okay.

Whatever flies with the historic preservation should be good enough for the city.

Another question for DCD.

Was the site and landscape plan reviewed by anybody?

Yeah, uh, we were uh basically just looking at at this the site and the parking issue.

That's where our focus was.

Will it be reviewed by anybody?

I don't know.

I do know that on the landscaping, the National Park Service does have they're they're very specific.

I was I was told not to put plantings in front of the building.

I pushed that a little bit because I have two sign planters that have little planter boxes, and they let me get away with the planter boxes for flowers, but other than that, they don't normally approve plantings in the front, and sometimes not even in the back because historically that building did not have landscaping.

They did in this case approve the landscaping because of the uh the railroad is back there, so the landscaping is intended to provide some screening from the railroad.

And luckily, I don't have to provide screening for the recycling semi-air anymore.

Yeah, my I guess my question was just about the landscape on this side, like right now on the where you're going to be building the parking structure of the parking building.

There's a lot of mature trees, and looks like maybe they won't some might be retained, some not.

And I was just curious about if anyone reviewed the species.

We do have one crimson can make crimson king maple, excuse me, which is on your list and that is invasive.

And so my recommendation is that you don't plant that or have a landscape professional review your species choices if they're not going to be reviewed by the city.

So I have no problem with that.

So I don't I mean you can if the landscaping plan, as you see, if you believe that there's adequate coverage, you can may impose your own those condition that that plan be installed with you know replacing invasive species with the permitted species, you could do that.

Yes.

Again, because of the nature of this building, could we have that run off the land?

The parking running.

And this to be clear is item 45.

Yeah, yep.

I started with the special use.

Um that's uh so then do you want to take a moment on that?

Board member right?

Board member St.

Arnold.

Board member current.

Aye.

Chairman Lomberg.

Okay.

Um and I'll say having found that the criteria for the dimensional variance have been met based upon the um sort of unique condition of the parking being provided on a separate parcel.

I will make a motion to approve that also to run with the land with um the same conditions as um all the conditions in the hearing summary and the additional condition of a um landscape plan to be on file with the Bozo office and approved by BCD.

Second, okay, board member right?

I board member St.

Arnold.

Board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski, Chairman Lomberg.

Hi.

All right, thank you very much.

We have just a we don't have that many items.

I should we take a quick break?

I know we're a little bit behind, or do you want to go?

Do anyone need a break?

Lindsay does not need a break.

All right, let's go.

615 calendar, we'll begin now.

What?

No, Lindsay's at no break.

Yeah.

Do you want to you want to break?

Okay, we're gonna take a five-minute break.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, this is Karen.

Can you hear me?

Hi, Karen.

Yes, we can hear you.

Are you back?

Yeah, I'm back, and just uh an FYI.

We have some nasty storms come rolling through here.

So if you want to kind of keep an eye on my feed, if I disappear, I just need to hook up on um, I can hook up on my cell phone as a hot spot, but just kind of keep an eye on my feet if I get kicked off.

Okay, sounds good.

Thanks, Karen.

And I'll yeah, if you see me disappear, I'll jump right back on with a hot spot.

Just let me know.

Yeah, I'll watch.

Thank you.

Thank you, Karen.

Hopefully, oh, yeah, Lindsay's showing me the radar.

It's not looking good.

We'll try to get you guys out of here so you don't uh get swallowed away in the store.

Washed away.

Terrible.

We gotta wait for Jennifer.

Is it still a turn?

Because it keeps warming up.

It was freezing this morning.

Now it's fifty-six degrees.

It's gonna get into the sixties.

Moreland, are you on uh yes, I'm here.

Okay, we'll be calling that item in just a second.

I mean, we can set this one out.

Seriously.

So next item, item number forty six, eighty three oh two West Lisbon Avenue.

Request occupy the premises as a light motor vehicle outdoor storage facility, and to continue occupying the premises of the light motor vehicle sales and light motor vehicle repair facility.

Um, this matter was previously adjourned from the March fifth, twenty twenty-six public hearing agenda at the request of the alderman of the district, and the alderman is online as well.

All right, if you pull that microphone down and give us your name and counting address, please.

Edward Berlicoff, seven two three four, North Green Bay Avenue, Glenda, Wisconsin, five three two nine, uh, unit one fourteen.

Okay, and then could you give uh could you raise your right hand and do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

I do.

Yeah, all right.

Thank you.

DPW.

DPW would like to note that the revised site plan dated 221, 2020.

It's that no more than 27 vehicles are parked outdoors on the parking lot for any reason at any time, and that no work on vehicles occurs in the public right-of-way.

Yeah, that's the department of neighborhood services is not opposed to this application, but does request a shorter period of approval should the board choose to grant the special uses in January of 2025.

The department received a complaint regarding overparking on the lot.

An order was issued, and ultimately a municipal uh judgment was obtained in September of 2025.

At the time of sentencing, the property was in compliance.

An additional complaint of over parking was received in November of 2025.

At that point, the occupancy permit had expired, and the condition of approval from the previous special use uh were not enforceable.

An order was issued to obtain a valid occupancy permit and to discontinue use of the lot for light motor vehicle storage or obtain an occupancy permit.

Recently, the applicant added light motor vehicle outdoor storage to the auto repair application.

This combination best reflects the actual use of the property, and then I have our standard uh vehicle related conditions.

So the applicant uh we are in support of the light motor vehicle storage addition because while the applicant uh I the the property is not used necessarily to rent out spaces for motor vehicle storage, his mode of business or his the his operation rotates his repair vehicles very slowly, and so this is a way to cover that.

So there's not an argument between one and the other, uh, but it's not a separate uh a separate uh business.

Uh I've not seen that evidence of it.

Um so uh we uh again we're not uh opposed, but we would ask for a shorter approval condition condition of uh excuse me, approval of the special uses, possibly two years, so that we can report back uh on the you know positive nature of those years.

Thank you.

Thank you, DCD.

Nothing additional.

Um I'm gonna come to you in just one second.

Um, Alderman Westmoreland.

I just for a question for the applicant.

How long have you you can just keep that pointed down?

How long have you been operating you at this point?

We've been we've been there since 2010.

Uh the reason it expired was because there was a litigate, there was a citation litigation.

I didn't think I could apply for a new permit while there were litigation in progress.

So once it one once it expired, we were planning on I was planning on submitting the application right away, but then it kind of didn't go that it didn't.

We had other orders and other situations that other things happened.

But I've taken we've taken lots of measures to make sure we're at this uh we're in compliance.

I understand we've been we've been over, we've violated our occupancy agreement.

Um we've gotten some off-site storage um to accommodate anything over the 27 vehicles we'll have.

So we've got some other process processes and procedures.

Uh I know it every every morning and every evening when we leave what we have so we get so we know what we can take the next day.

Okay.

And I alderman and West Mowland did also file the I think they're the same orders.

Is it accurate, Pete, that some of these orders are mitigated with the correct sighting and the correct application for record storage?

Yeah, that's correct.

So uh approval today, um, and then it's neighborhood services responsibility via complaints to main sh to uh ensure the compliance is being maintained.

And and because as you said, uh the even though the outdoor storage isn't really uh the spirit of that isn't isn't what he's seeking to do with his actual business, the plan of operation, you know, if he comes back for a renewal, if that's not what's been happening, then obviously Bozan has the opportunity to not grant it because the DNS isn't necessarily going to be doing site inspections and enforcing the plan of operation.

It's really if there's orders if we receive complaints, right?

Um just to yeah, to flash out a little bit more.

I've been to the site many, many times.

There are several vehicles that have that stay for months and possibly years.

Um they're fine, and they would they're fine as light motor vehicle storage.

I do believe they're uh uh the applicant may uh elaborate that these are projects that just have not gotten, he hasn't gotten to them.

But um, again, this is a way that from an enforcement standpoint, we don't have to haggle with that.

Uh we can we can we can watch the 27 cars.

That's a finite, you know, enforceable thing, and we can all move forward.

And we can evaluate and I uh Alderman Westmoreland.

So you um we do have your submissions, and uh obviously your recommendation is it's very similar to DNS that let's do a short time, make sure that now that it seems like some some additional steps that the additional steps that have been taken are gonna maybe prevent some of these uh these orders um in the future.

Are you what else do you want to what else do you have for us?

I just wanted you to hear all that first.

So uh go ahead.

So we hope that's the case.

Um I'm hopeful.

Um, you know, I had this conversation with the applicant back in 2025 about you know the vehicle, I don't I forget what the count was, but the count was really high.

It was over the max that was allowed.

Uh we had a serious conversation then.

Um, and then you know uh back in November, uh almost a year later, you know, we're having the same conversation.

So I'm glad to hear that processes are in place.

Um I am hopeful.

However, I think a two-year approval period is too long.

I'm opting for the one year just based on the trend that I've experienced with the applicant.

Um, I mean, he's been cooperative, he's cleaned the place up again.

Um what I'm fighting against here is multiple places across my district are um having vehicles spilling out of their parking lot, and it's just an eyesore to the neighborhood.

So I want to make sure that we're staying at the 27.

Again, I'm hopeful.

Um, but again, you know, I've had this conversation with this applicant multiple times.

So I do want to give him a year to prove to me that he can stay under that.

Um, not just when complaints roll in, not just when Alderman calls.

Um and go from there.

I do want to ask the applicant, uh on the speak.

The last thing you said got broken up, Alderman Westmoreland.

What was that?

You wanted to ask the applicant what?

How many vehicles are on the lot as we speak?

I believe there's 27.

What I let when I let when I left to come to when I left to come to this meeting, I believe there's 27.

So what I heard earlier is there is a process in place that you have that when you leave, you know how many vehicles are on the lot.

Um, so you know what you're able to take the next day.

So what I'm hearing is that you're unsure of the vehicle count at the moment.

No, there were 27 cars.

We uh three three or so three or slated to be picked up first thing in the morning, and at as those cars as those cars are picked up, we can take more.

I understand as it sits right now.

I cannot take any three or slated to be picked up first thing in the morning, and if they're not picked up, we'll take the necessary measures to take some of the some of the cars that are still waiting on parts or et cetera, to our store to uh to where to where we store longer term stuff, so we're not uh so I'm not I'm not over my limit.

Okay, I'm just I just want to clarify because I heard I believe 27, not it is 27.

So I just want to confirm.

Okay, it's okay.

Thank you.

Uh thank you, Alderman West Morland.

So normally, you know, I guess in this case, I didn't I don't mind the the rec recommendation for one year.

Uh usually the reason that there's an objection to that is like it there's someone's not operational, it's really not an accurate, it's like gonna give us just a couple of months and it's not a fair sample size.

But this is an ongoing business um with a history that seems like there's been substantial efforts to mitigate it.

This may be very, very you know, work out just fine.

But I don't have a problem with the one year in this circumstance.

Go ahead.

Um, if it could possibly be like Mr.

Larryton said at least two, because anything a little lower less than two makes it difficult to renew permits with DOT or apply for permits or renew permits with DOT for say vehicle sales, uh, because just there's a requirement for how I believe there's a requirement for what you lease what your lease or your your occup, what your lease can be and what your uh city city and kind of city and zoning approval can be.

So if if possible too, if it's if it's not, if it's not possible at the moment at the at this point in time, I understand.

Well, how do you know if you have any that are any dot permits that are expiring?

Um we were planning as of last year when we get when we got this approval five years ago, there were other things going on with the with the business and my personal life.

I did not approve I did not apply for deal for for dealer permits.

I was waiting to for this to renew and then I and then we would apply for DOT permits.

And I know when I when I go to apply, if this is approved, when I go to apply next month or whatever, um there's good there's there's I believe there's a two-year minimum.

Mr.

Chair, I'm prepared to make a motion.

Um before you make that motion.

Um I'm I'm fine with the two years.

Well, that's makes it a little bit easier.

Um thank you.

But you know what?

You worked hard, and it sounds like you know, Alderman West Merlin is particular about new properties that are creating a nuisance.

Everybody is that represents constituents in Milwaukee, but you know, look, you've worked with him, and he this is um I don't want to stand in the way of the community relationship you've built with your elected official and your neighbors.

So uh with that being said, though, board member, I have you found that the four criteria are necessary to grant a special use permit have been met, and based on the evidence in the file and the technical review that was conducted by the departments I'm willing to grant this special use for a period of two years.

Hey guys, real quick quick question.

Um there was a inspection done by DNS on March 6th.

Has that violation been resolved?

What was the violation March 6th?

DM looking into provide access to the public.

Oh okay.

Yeah, it's conference.

Yes, that was resolved in the computer.

Um I can get you a little bit more.

I believe that was part of what the orders were in November.

No, this is a cross access.

This is for plumbing.

Oh I didn't know anything.

So if the computer says it, it must be true.

So we have a motion for the two years.

Uh is there a second?

I'll second.

Um Jennifer Crut the Well, we'll just Jennifer current seconded.

Uh go ahead, Madam Secretary.

Board member right?

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Hi.

Board member current.

Hi.

Vice Chairman Smysky.

Hi.

Chairman Lomberg.

Hi.

Okay.

Thank you.

And uh everyone in Alderman West Melan for your comments.

Just continue to do the job you're doing and working with uh your alderman and your neighbors and making sure your business is.

Thank you, everybody.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Next item is also in Alderman West Murlands district, and he is.

I think are you still gonna are you on this one too?

Yes.

Perfect.

All right, go ahead.

Um, item number 47.

7609 West Capitol Drive.

Request to continue occupying the premises as a motor vehicle filling station.

Um, is there is the applicant here?

7609 West Capitol Drive.

No, and there's no one online with the letter.

It's okay.

Yeah, uh I'll I'll make a formal motion.

I move to uh adjourn this with the with a request that the app uh that we send a letter to the applicant that they must attend the next meeting or their case will be dismissed.

Board member right?

Aye for a member saying Arnold Bow.

Okay, board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

Chairman Chairman Lumber.

I okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks, Alderman West Moreland.

Take care.

You too.

Item number 48, 1812 West Atkinson Avenue.

Request to occupy the premises as a daycare center for 40 children per shift, infants at 13 years of age, operating Monday through Sunday from 6 30 a.m.

to 1030 p.m.

Could you please give us your names and mailing addresses?

My name is Devanya Key.

My address is 9509 with Mailvina.

Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Heath Schultz, 2515 North 66th.

Owatosa, Wisconsin 53213.

Thank you.

Could you both please raise your right hands?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

DPW.

DPW would like to request that the applicant applies for a loading zone on West Atkinson Avenue within 30 days.

Thank you, DNS.

No additional comments.

Okay.

Um well either miss you guys.

Do you either one of you have any additional information for us other than what's been submitted?

No, no, sir.

Just a quick question for the applicant.

Uh, is this do you currently uh operated child care?

Is this your first time?

So I do have um at home center, so um expand and what is your investment into this prep.

Um as far as cost goes.

Uh the amount of interior alteration is very minor, uh, probably around a thousand dollars.

It really isn't that much.

The space is in good condition.

Um, and uh I've worked with another client on the same building, and I actually know the owner, so it's in good shape.

Your lease term is what one year.

I can make there's other questions.

Having found the four criteria necessary to grant special use, have that meant based on the testimony provided today.

The information in the file, I would move to approve this for a period of three years, subject to the conditions of hearings.

Second, okay, board member right?

Aye, board member saying our board member current, like chairman smysky, right?

And Chairman Lumber.

Aye, thank you.

Thank you.

All right, item number 49, 3477, North Second Street.

Request to occupy the premises as a daycare center for 43 children per ship, ages infant to 14 years, operating 24 hours Monday through Sunday.

Hi, could you give us your name and mailing address so we can swear you in?

Um Teresa Jackson 1301 North 12th Street, number 5517, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53205.

Karen, did you hear?

You could repeat it, wouldn't hurt 1301 North 12th Street, number 5517, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53205.

Teresa Jackson.

Mr.

Schalz file, thank you.

Um, could you just raise your right hand, ma'am?

You affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes, yes.

DPW, nothing to add DNS, additional comments, DCD, nothing additional.

Right.

You what can you tell us on this one?

Uh uh familiar with the building.

Uh it was at one point in time a daycare previously.

Um it's all set up for a daycare.

And uh we're expanding into the upper level as well, and there really will be no renovation alteration, maybe painting.

And then your lease is how long?

Um three years.

And do you currently operate a child care center?

Yes.

Is it a family?

So you're drawing.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Mr.

Chair, I'm prepared to make a motion.

Please go ahead.

Uh haven't found that the four criteria necessary to grant a special use have been met.

And based on the evidence in the file and the technical review that was conducted by the departments, I move the grant to special use for a period of three years.

Sorry with that.

Uh saying it's a little thing arm.

Okay, thank you.

Board member right?

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold though.

Aye, board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

And Chairman Lomberg.

I thank you very much.

Welcome to the appreciate it.

Item number 50.

5444 West Vondulec Avenue.

Request to occupy the premises as a community center.

Helping.

Oh, that's all.

Hello.

Just could you all give us your names and mailing addresses, please?

Uh for Nice Johnson address.

Yes, please.

2409 North 48th Street Milwaukee 53210.

Thank you.

You need to spell my name.

Oh, sure.

That would be helpful.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Jamaica Kane and 6649 West Tower Avenue, Brown Dear, Wisconsin.

Bob 3223.

Thank you.

Catherine Handy, 4415 on 54th Street, Milwaukee.

Thank you.

And could all three of you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Right.

DPW.

DPW would just like to request that the applicant provide at least two bicycle parking spaces within 60 days.

Yeah, that's no additional comments.

And DCD.

Our concerns are a little bit similar to the uh community center we heard up earlier today.

And that being, I believe there are it's listed as two employees per shift.

And they've got a wide range of activities for people age 13 to elderly.

And we I just need to kind of know how they're able to um you know manage that with that little staff and are they relying on volunteers, etc.

Yeah, we um accept volunteers anything.

Yeah, we will have uh two staff on every shift.

Um we pretty much separate the age groups.

Um the 13 through 17, they will come at different times than the seniors and anything that we do um in late hours we have security on staff as well.

Are there um are there gonna be people that are gonna be coming in for volunteers that are gonna be like coming in to direct some type of a program and they're gonna be in charge of their own groups, or is this all stuff that you guys are directing internally?

Is that does that make sense?

Yes, so we will be having separate programs.

So we have someone who's gonna be um having Pilates yoga, and these are all different individuals.

Okay.

Um we have an instructor who's gonna do online dancing, um, Zumba, and for our um younger kids, we have a theater, where we're gonna be doing plays, we'll then we don't have a wide range of things.

So you it's just not like just your own staff isn't gonna be doing all of these.

Other people are gonna be coming in to run their own groups, exactly.

Like Miss Fernish has a networking um where we allow them to come and network for free.

Okay, so we have different small businesses to come and join it, share their interests.

I think that sort of similar to the earlier part that kind of some of the concern DC to have around managing all the people that are going to be coming to partake in the activities that are available.

Exactly.

And then even if um someone comes and do one of their one of their own programs, we still have two staff there.

Okay, okay.

Well and you're leasing the space, yes.

What are the terms of that lease right now?

It's one, but then he's trying to go to three after today.

We were all based on the hearing today.

Are you set up like if you got an approval with when you get the letter um next week?

Are you ready to go or do you need some time to get things done up?

We're already we need it backwards.

Okay, that's okay.

We're just hoping that it went through, but the whole place is miracle.

That's okay.

You're ready to go then.

Yeah, last step.

And then you're asked the second to last one of several last steps.

Right.

Yes.

All right.

Anyways, board members.

There's no questions.

I'll make the motion, Mr.

Chair.

Having found that the criteria for the special use have been met based upon the information that we have in our case file, um, the review by staff in our discussion here today.

I will make a motion to approve this for three years with any conditions in the hearing summary.

Second.

Board member right?

Aye.

Board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Aye.

Board member current.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Smyski.

And Chairman Lomberg.

Aye.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Item number 51.

Yeah.

1112 South 23rd Street.

Request to convert two existing single family dwellings into two duplexes that do not meet the minimum lot area required for dwelling units.

Hello, could you please give us your names and mailing addresses?

My name is Raul Larpiaga, 1219 West National Avenue, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

I have to be 204.

Could you please uh spell your name for the court reporter?

R-A-U-H, last name, A-R-T-E-A-G-A.

Thank you.

Your name and Mill Address?

My name is Maria Lucia Juarez.

My address is Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

And then could you spell your name as well, please?

Maria Lucia.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

And then could you both please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

All right.

I think this is gonna be quick.

DPW.

Nothing.

Nothing additional.

Value of increased affordable housing in her district.

Um we've got your plans.

We see you know what you see you're trying to do.

Do you have any additional?

Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah, this is yeah.

Do you have any uh additional do you have any other information you want us to know?

Um board members questions, or is there a motion?

Sure.

Based on the evidence and the final testimony received and make motion to correct this to one of the second oh that was a straight time.

Uh I'll give it to Jennifer.

Board member right?

Aye, yes, board member St.

Arnold Bell.

Board member current.

And Chairman Lumber.

Hi.

Thank you guys.

Yeah.

Can I just sorry?

This is Karen.

Can I just get clarification?

What was the length of time on that one?

Problem with the land.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Yeah, last one, Karen.

Um, hopefully your connection stays for just a few more minutes.

Um I think that's item number.

Item number 52, 5818 West Blue Mound Road.

Request to occupy the promises of the daycare center for 32 children per ship.

If it's a 13 years of age, operating Monday through Saturday from 5 a.m.

to midnight.

And uh oh, I was gonna say older woman more was online.

Um could you give us your name and mailing address, please?

Jessica Thompson, 3612 North 60th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 53216.

Thank you.

And could you please raise your right hand?

Do you affirm under oath that the testimony you're about to give is a truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

And Mr.

Schultz remains um Alder Woman Moore is in your district.

Are you gonna do you want to come forward and give us any information?

All right, we'll get you sworn.

Did you already do that?

Yeah, perfect.

No, you don't need to.

DPW, nothing to add.

DNS, no additional comments.

Just to note that about oh, I'm sorry, DCD.

Uh just to note that last year the board approved the daycare at the site for 50 children.

Apparently, that one didn't get go through in this request is 432, and we have no issues with it.

That was my question there, is what was the what happened in the approval in 2025?

Alderwomen were you wrote a letter of strong objection.

No, I'm just kidding.

What is your starting?

It's a day later.

No, I have no objections.

Um, we receive no inquiries from any of the residents, and usually that would that's a gauge of what we use, um, but no objection here.

Fantastic.

So we'll just throw this letter away.

No, just all right.

Uh anybody questions about this.

This is a this is a less we approved this last year, and this is a less intense use.

So it seems like it'd be fine.

That was my client as well.

Uh she actually renovated the building, so my new client is going to be stepping into a building that has been renovated.

So do you currently operate a child care facility?

I do.

I have a family center, so I'll be expanding.

Wonderful.

Great.

Well, this is a good location, and even better that it's been fully renovated.

Yes.

I did a lot of the participation.

Um, I can make a motion.

Okay.

Having found that the uh uh five criteria necessary to grant the experience have been met based on the testimony provided today and the information of the file.

I'd move to approve this for a period of five years, subject to the conditions in the hearing sort of second.

Did I say five years or three years?

I yeah, I wrote down three.

Do you want five or three?

I meant it to be three.

Yeah, sorry.

I recant, but I'll second again.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

Shouldn't you adjust one second?

Unanimous.

June animus.