Anne Pieper here.

Sally Pelts.

Nicolas Robinson.

Oh see him online.

Matt Jarose.

Robert Bautman.

Patricia Keatman.

And Jordan Morales.

Here.

All right.

Moving on to item number one, a resolution relating to a certificate of appropriateness for replacement windows and stucco repair 2610 West Port Sunlight Way in the Garden Homes Historic Desk District for Wesley S.

Bentle.

So this is um Yeah, Mr.

Bentle is online.

This is one that we've looked at a few times.

He's come before us following the last meeting.

So staff issued the COA in I think September or October of last year.

So we'll um we'll hear from Mr.

Bentle on where the where the project is at right now.

Okay.

Go ahead, Mr.

Bentle.

The windows are in.

Okay.

The windows are um Do I need to send you guys pictures of them?

Sure.

If you want to that would be great.

But I think and then yeah, go ahead.

I think if if the windows are in and everything else uh from the COA looks good, I think we'll be done with with the uh the moth ball on this one.

Well that was a mothball.

Or it was uh I think was it uh it may not have officially been a moth haul, but no, the resolution is to approve a certificate of appropriateness.

It sounds like the windows are already in.

It's in the staff approved the COA, so I I don't think this needs to come back for any more.

Um I got another issue.

Uh, let me hear that.

Um I have to do the ports and the porch rills over.

Um I have pictures of what the neighbor did, and I was wondering if I could send you those pictures, the getter certificate, so I can do those over.

Um DNS is asking me to get it done by July.

Sure, yeah.

I'll work with you if you want to give me a call or email me tomorrow.

Perfect.

Okay, excellent.

All right, so then the motion for this would be to accept the staff approved.

What is the motion for this?

Yes, yeah.

Is the stucco okay?

The stucco was repaired.

Yeah, he did a good job hatching that up.

And you approved it.

Yeah.

So the work's done.

The staff has approved the COA will.

Yeah, we'll well, okay, we'll move to adopt the staff approved COA.

How about that?

There we go.

Do we have a second?

A second.

Alright, all in favor.

Alright.

Alright.

That's unanimous.

It's nice to finish one.

Excellent.

Alright, moving on to item 260043.

Resolution relating to a certificate of appropriateness for exterior rehabilitation demolition of a non-historic exterior stairway and a new deck at 213 West Brown Street in the Burr's Hill Historic District for Shannon Brennan and Kat Devlin.

Okay, thank you.

So this is going to be a fairly extensive um all-encompassing exterior renovation project.

Um this is uh a Gable Dow house um constructed approximately 1878.

Um you can see that uh up until recently it was clad with asphalt uh replacement siding.

Um the owners live next door, they purchased this property.

They they took the replacement siding off to expose the clabbered.

Um so they're proposing uh an exterior rehabilitation that's sort of uh the staff report broke it out into four large parts.

Um so we'll go over those.

Um the siding um removing that replacement siding exposed the the clavard siding.

Um what they're proposing to do is um remove all of the extant clavard siding, um, sheath the house uh and then um and then install a what uh weather resistant barrier, and then reapply the clabbered that's salvageable and put replacement clabbered uh matching the profile of the historic where any new material needs to be replaced.

Um initially their proposal also mentioned doing LP SmartSide on the rear facade, but they clarified that that is not what they're proposing, that they're gonna do wood replacement siding on uh where needed on all four facade uh facades.

Um they'll also remove the board and batten that's in the gables and replace that with clabbered.

Um, so staff has no concerns with that.

All the um decorative trim and endboards uh and uh water table wall be replaced where needed, uh matching the the historic dimensions.

So staff has no concerns with the siding.

Um the windows, um, there are I believe they said 12 windows.

They're currently 10 of them will be uh repaired and left uh, you know, redo the the sash weights, redo the windows of the glazing where needed.

So 10 of the windows will be rehabbed.

There's a replacement window that um is failing, so that'll be removed and replaced with a solid wood window matching the the two over two design that's present, and then there was one historic window that was too far deteriorated to repair, so they're going to replace that in kind with a new solid wood window.

Um they're also proposing moving one window opening, uh, and I'll I'll show this on a plan in a couple slides, and then installing two new windows where there's presently uh an exterior basement stairwell, and they're proposing taking that off and putting on a new deck, installing French doors where there aren't any, and then installing two new windows that would look out on the deck, and those would be again uh all wood windows that would match the profile of the historic windows, and um this will be on the rear the L part that won't be visible from the right-of-way.

So staff has no concerns uh with the rehab of the historic windows and the addition of um a few new windows that would match the historic profile.

Um underway already.

Uh just they've only removed the the replacement siding so far, is my understanding.

It looks like windows are already replaced or am I are these the history of the storm in the photos?

Those are the triple track storm windows right there.

Yeah, I think there were storms on there.

Uh and I should mention also that they are planning on adding all new wood storm windows, uh all new new constructed wood storm windows with a meeting rail that would match uh the historic profile of the of the prime windows.

Um their doors, they are proposing to rehabilitate the historic front door, um, and then add the two French doors or a pair of French doors.

Uh kind of put those a little too far back, but uh a time light French door um off of the deck, and I'll show show the plan coming up too.

Um but these won't be visible from the right of way.

There's really not much of a yard to speak of, so they're adding, they're proposing adding a deck that would be accessible via the these French doors.

Um, and again staff feels that although not you know appropriately for an 1876 little cottage, um, they're not going to be visible and and the lack of yard um uh they need they need some outdoor space here, so staff's comfortable with that.

Um so this is uh a non-historic stairwell that goes down to the basement that you can see on the left, and then this is a shot from the property owners current house where they live, looking across their yard at uh at the at this house, the subject property.

Um they're proposing removing that and adding a Bilco style cellar door that would access the basement sort of in the in the very back of the property, won't be visible from the right of way.

This is the plans.

So on the left hand side is what is presently there, and the right hand side is what they're proposing to do.

So you can see they're taking off that non-historic addition, uh adding the French doors, and adding the two new windows um in the in the L section there, and then moving that one window and sliding that to the north.

And where it says two new windows on the rear facade, those are the windows that were too deteriorated to to repair so those will be wood wood windows to match.

And then they're proposing adding a um the fourth part is adding this deck which would be a um nine by nine foot by nineteen foot um deck with the French doors it'd be constructed of um cedar tone pressure treated lumber um and they provided since the staff report went out um early they they did provide um the ballister designs and rail designs that all look appropriate to the house so staff has no concerns um with the with the proposed rear deck and overall uh looks like a great rehabilitation project um staff these are the railings proposed um staff recommends approval with conditions um and really they've satisfied three out of the four conditions so the only condition essentially that would remain is just the standard or standard wood conditions but it looks like a great project all right uh are you doing this work yourself the windows especially oh I saw two that's I didn't thanks for having me I'm Shannon Hello.

Um so sorry your question was if I was proposing doing the work myself.

Um not for the siding um modern exterior would do the siding um for the window installation we subcontracted um Hernandez construction who were recommended by Lisbon Storm and Screen um to install the um the windows the um ledger rail we would have them do and then um the landscaper we have a landscaper who's gonna do grading and the Bilco installation because there's water intrusion going into the um into the basement so they'll be doing the grading work um there's only first floor windows.

Uh correct there's well there are um the basement in the front of the house there are like there are like half openings for windows but they're like um it's just like five more that's there but we don't intend it to be no such thing as a window that can't be restored if you know if you have the right materials.

Yeah I've restored windows where the lower rail was completely gone.

It's in service today.

Yeah I if you'd like to see a wind a picture of the wind of a window that I think maybe can be restored out of that I I believe me I have worked on when the lower rail is was loose from the rest of the frame.

And Avatron epoxy can restore almost anything as long as there's some original wood left.

And it's not just all polar right you'd be the issue the issue has been that there was so much water intrusion on that side of the house that the that the window is pretty much rotted out.

I think I see the is it this window in the lower is that the window here.

Um that's the one yes yeah I would look it's and the sill is shot too but sills can be replaced.

I've I've also had that done that I don't do myself because that's requires fairly high skill level to do sills yeah correctly and they get the right material and the material does exist at Bliffert you can get the I think it's inch and inch and a half thickness or maybe you can get the right seal material at Bliffer because I I did it not personally that I didn't do but the windows I've done myself.

I would I mean so I did have the folks from so Sunshine who were going to be doing the um the windows ended up losing one of their project managers so we lost the folks that were gonna do it for us.

We talked to thoughtful craftsmen and they came and essentially said um the person who was there essentially said like you can't you you can't afford to have us do this job um and so this isn't like an investment property for us it's not gonna turn into a rental we live in the house next door we're hoping to have family there so we're doing um we're trying to do what we can to try and like make the house and rather than fix storm windows you know uh acromill work as a product that works very well as sort of like a a triple track but with wood frame and you can in you can in you can install and take out the screens and the glass from the inside without having to wrestle with big fixed exterior storm windows and then you need two you need a screen and then you need the storm window and that they're heavy and they're hard to Yeah did you say acro mill products acro mill works.

Acro mill works.

Local company highest quality in the city awesome thank you when it comes to mill work.

Thank you.

They are expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah they can of course do interior wood uh interior Lisbon is fine for your average run of the mill property but at the level of work you're doing Acker is much higher quality.

Yeah yeah we're trying to I mean essentially we're trying to balance making sure that we're you know we live you know we already live in the neighborhood we love Brewers Hill we love the look of the neighborhood so we're trying to balance restoration with frankly the the condition of the home that we're working with and well I compliment you you're doing things the right way but there's actually there's there's sometimes even better ways to do it Yeah yeah yeah I mean I am I am very open to learning also so thank you.

Uh pretty nice what you're doing uh you're taking the wood off that we saw in that picture.

The siding the cedar siding?

Yes and then what are you putting on and then putting the wood back?

Yeah so we're we're also using the Wisconsin we're trying to use the Wisconsin historic tax credits.

So in order to use that they want us to preserve as much of the original cedar siding as we can the reason that we're not just trying to like restore the siding as it is is because for much of the house the siding is just nailed directly onto the studs.

So we're removing it um again that's what he said no siding behind the clapboard.

Correct yeah yeah.

So right now it's a very watch house.

Because that is gonna pull the siding away and you have these very shallow details on those windows and the corner board at the good point.

So how much are you putting on?

Because now all of a sudden that's gonna affect the relationship of the clack board and the other details around the windows I think the aim is just the like half inch OSB um and then the tie back and then back on it will.

If you go to the oh yeah here's the picture you can kind of see your window detail beautiful incredible that they're still there.

Yeah.

So you're gonna have that little dilemma that you see when you start putting siding on so I would say maybe get that f figured out with that.

Maybe they have a solution for you.

Yeah, yeah I will yeah thank you for pointing that out.

The the photos I see does have sheathing on the other side of the studs, the windows and what is it the uh what's that document that's included in there.

Yeah so it's windows and doors.

My my hypothesis about the house is that it was built in like two or three stages.

So the um if you see where the porch is the whole the um the side with the window and the door no she uh no cladding no sheathing along that next um return none along the front none and then back about twenty feet none and then the rest of the house does have like a s a thicker um cladding board so if you're taking the siding off could they put uh bat insulation between the studs you know to get a good R value is what you're after you want insulation.

Are those studs uh two by six or two by four probably two by fourteen uh eighteen seventy might have been a bigger building right but I mean they use whatever they have back in the eighteen seventy.

So anyway that would be and maybe you're gonna do both both this the bat installation and the rigid, but think about that with the detail.

I mean it may require your mill guide then to actually have to extend those details out.

And the sills, and the cells and some of the other trim.

W which is possible, but make sure he has that in his bin or whatever, then that doesn't become a big extra thank you.

Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Just uh just a question, uh, Matt, for you as an architect.

It from a building science perspective, do we want to do they want to do ABB and s insulate the studs and stuff like that with the wood clapboard sign?

Or does that risk like not allowing the house to breathe and stuff like that?

It's a philosophy.

I can't do the insulation.

Yeah, yeah, it's an it's oh yeah, it's an excellent point.

I mean, people, you know, these buildings become comfortable after a hundred and twenty years and all of a sudden you change the moisture and the vapor barriers and it really messes with just you know, go about it, I guess carefully when you proceed with some more research into that barriers, yeah.

You know, also mold on the inside of your house on the platform.

A modern uh uh an exterior siding company that's not familiar with historic properties, they'll s they'll love to sell you the AVB and uh the new sheathing and or the zip system sheathing or whatever, and then before you know it, your house isn't drying out.

That's right.

And our old houses were used to leakage.

My house, oh man, I'm sealing it up and it's uh it changes the whole character.

So just be c be careful with that because you probably don't have uh vented roof and did a vented roof last year, which is away, so there's been it's had a lot of water in it over the years.

So yeah, thank you for that.

Um you're doing it the w the right way.

We were just making suggestions to.

No, I really appreciate it.

Thank you.

And maybe too, as you're dealing with contractors, see if they've done something like that before.

To have they taken siding put rigid and everything was okay or not.

So if somebody specified Marvin, which is an out of state big national manufacturer, and they don't even suggest pricing out Acker.

It may be suspicious that they don't know the field.

Also, I just did a clapboard restoration project on my own house uh a few months ago, and it's it's very easy to snap that those clo those old clapboards.

So yeah, trying to take them all off and salvage them.

That's yeah.

Do you feel comfortable with my sending you an email?

Yeah, sure.

Absolutely.

I feel like anybody that's gone through this, I'm like, can you please take two nails if you can?

Yeah, I love to uh wall cut nails, uh, yeah.

Is it white pine and is it dog?

Probably white pine side.

Probably white pine.

The old stuff, yeah.

Yeah.

Cedars the new would be the new.

Yeah, yeah.

You can get white pine.

Not only it's available, right?

Uh, everybody comes through with cedar, that's generally.

Because that's the only thing that's uh generally available, right?

White pine can be procured.

Jack of Bulldogs found a outfit in New England network, it's still manufactured.

Okay.

I think I still have their website hidden somewhere.

With the white pine guy.

I know they had spruce, which was uh unusual.

They probably have some sort of p pine sounds familiar.

Okay.

Any other questions from commissioners?

Uh what do we do anybody have a motion on this?

Sure, I'll make uh motion to approve.

I guess maybe with the additional comment to check carefully with with these matters that we discussed here with the siding and the relationship of the trim work with the new siding and so forth.

Okay.

Do we have a second?

Second.

Alright, all in favor?

Aye.

All right, that matter passes.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Item 260045.

Resolution relating to a certificate of appropriateness for rehabilitation and signage a new tenant at 1300 West Historic Miss Mitchell Street in the Mitchell Street Historic District for SCCP Mitchell LLC and Bank of America.

You can get the change in Bank of America.

Oh, so this is a relatively uh modest alterations to the building, but we are uh losing a dollar.

Uh the dollar store has been gone for some months, I believe, possibly a whole year.

And Bank of America is converting the existing building to a branch.

Okay.

Existing conditions.

Signage, uh, changes to awnings, most of this project is changes to the parking lot.

As it is, it doesn't comply with the uh uh the newer parking lot landscaping standards, and they would also like to erect a freestanding ATM as there's really nowhere appropriate to put it within the building.

Um this will be at the corner of 14th.

It meet uh it meets our standards and is at the height allowed uh and is within the zoning standards for size.

This will be the parking lot facade.

Um essentially just she changing the signage, changing the uh awnings, and in uh doing a new paints uh color scheme on storefront window system, Mitchell Street facade, um same thing original entrance with a canopy was set uh was centered on the center under here.

Um, that is not being proposed for restoration.

Uh it would be nice to have an entrance there, but uh I don't know as they are not proposing any alterations there, we cannot require it.

And again, some more signage and uh again uh awning change and color scheme change.

Uh free-standing eight drive-up ATM in the parking lot with a small canopy, uh brick selected to approximate what's on the building.

We don't want we don't want an exact match, we don't want historic brick.

I advise them to get a uh modern modular brick in a in a reasonably approximate color, and this fits that lighting for the parking lot and the ground plan.

Um the only issue I found with any of this is some slight tweaks to the signage, which I will get back to on both this Mitchell Street facade.

It would be preferable to have the signage either fit entirely with the exit within the existing projecting brick frame or break part of it out of the projecting frame.

Um it's hard to see here, but um basically the text is on top of the bottom of the frame.

So I would say either shrink it to fit or pull the text out of the frame.

Um similar issue over here, they can either condense slightly or re rearrange the wording and it will fit within the frame.

It's so close to fitting that it's gonna look better if they just tweak it that little bit.

There are also on the uh Mitchell facade uh remnants of support uh of the supports for the original awning.

There's some uh terracotta surrounds on the hooks and hooks.

I'm asking that they ensure that the terracotta hook surrounds remain.

And that is that.

Um they have as far as I can tell, it meets the new landscaping standards.

Um plan exam will handle that for us.

We've never really asked for anything more than what's in the current parking lot standards.

It's pretty good.

They're gonna have I believe they say 11 new trees and 55 shrubs amongst other plantings.

So staff recommends approval with uh the four condition uh with the three conditions outlined.

Okay.

And I'll go ahead and introduce yourselves.

Uh my name's Connor Hanson, I'm with Colliers Engineering representing Bank of America.

My name's Julie Clark Kabalski.

I'm with Colliers Engineering and Design as well, um representing Bank of America.

Excellent.

You guys are familiar with the three conditions in the staff report.

Any issues with that?

Okay.

Any questions from commissioners?

Yeah, I have a question looking at that elevation.

If we can go back to elevation.

I do have a uh updated notification.

Actually it's on the HD historically.

It's the P.

Um I and uh here.

But on that one, if on that one, yeah.

Sorry about that.

Um what can you tell us for the record if we approve this and what's going to be in those windows?

So actually uh I can speak on that.

So within that uh no offices are gonna be up against the storefront, so it's actually all um I guess like waiting area for the actual um uh customers.

Can you speak?

Oh, it's not a sorry.

Uh so yeah, so there's no not going to be any offices up against the storefront.

Uh the only thing up against that storefront is really the waiting area and main space for the customers.

So if you're doing a drawing, um a bid drawing it would say trans clear glass.

Correct.

Right?

That's correct.

No intention of blocking that up with any kind of opaque window cling or anything like that.

None of that.

Uh the zoning standards would not allow that, and if above the case came forward, I would submit a letter on behalf of all of us opposing it.

Okay, just want to make that perfectly clear so it doesn't surprise you in a year or two if all of a sudden stuff comes up on that card.

Understood.

Okay.

So I I have a question.

So the the windows, explain it to me again.

I know you just did it with Matt.

Absolutely.

So can you see through it?

You will be able to see through it.

So this one was just a rendering, they were trying to block out the existing uh tenants space, so it's currently a dollar tree.

So they were just blocking what was currently there, but it's gonna be clear glass.

You will be able to see through it.

And that'll be the area where people are going to be uh it's a waiting area.

Correct.

That's correct.

So I'll be able to see people, people will be able to see me.

Absolutely.

Okay, that will will be great.

Is that what you thought too?

That's what I'm assuming.

I want to make it very clear with this, uh, there will be no surprise.

Uh like that.

Anything opaque around that class.

Or that's both the rest.

Looks actually good.

Alright.

Any other questions, con uh comments, concerns from commissioners?

I guess there's there is one thing that I would just like to get because I do want to get it approved and not be a surprise to you.

On the new uh PD or uh PDF that we have up there, um, we can scroll down actually.

So if we keep going existing conditions, site plan.

So that is the TM, those are all the uh so we do have a um uh dumpster enclosure that's gonna be uh built um that we're proposing, and it's going to be the same brick veneer that we're doing for the Drive KTM.

So it will be similar to match what the existing conditions of the building are as well.

12 by 12 and six foot high.

Where is that sighted?

So that's gonna be if we scroll up to the site plan, it's gonna be towards the north area, right up against the uh field.

Yep.

And there's an existing enclosure there, currently that's in a somewhat state of disrepair that we would be improving upon.

Sure.

Okay.

Is it bracket lighting for that sign?

Or is that internally illuminated signage?

In all internally, so illuminated letters and Bank of America.

Yeah, yes, it's it's a pattern with push-through.

Okay.

Firing.

Well, well let's based on that, then I will move for approval.

And I'll be very cognizant of the fact that he can't block those clear windows.

Absolutely.

And with the staff conditions, of course.

Okay.

Do we have a second on that motion?

Alright, all in favor?

Aye, aye, alright.

Motion passed.

It's wonderful.

Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

I appreciate that.

All right.

And uh I'll entertain a motion for item number four to be held to the call of the chair.

So moved.

All right.

And this is because there's the applicant is unavailable to speak to it, correct?

So okay, so second for that.

Yeah.

I saw that.

I may not be the same right now.

Or do you say second?

Yep.

Yeah.

All right.

Uh all in favor?

All right.

And we're going to now move on to items five through.

Thirteen and fifteen through seventeen.

So we're gonna remove fourteen from this grouping.

And just hold it until next month.

And we're gonna hold it till next month.

So all of that is in a motion.

And I'll make that motion, I guess, and is there a second for that?

Second.

Second.

All right.

And all in favor?

Excellent.

Alright.

So item 14 will be held till next month.

Uh we're gonna review and approve of the minutes from the last meeting, May 4th, 2026.

Assuming we've all had a chance to review those.

Uh do I have a motion for the re for the approval of those minutes?

Alright, second.

Second.

Alright, all in favor?

Uh updates and announcements.

Um the Wisconsin Local History and Preservation Conference is coming to Milwaukee at the Hyatt in October.

Um they've never held the conference in Milwaukee before.

So I hope you uh all join us in attending in October.

Okay, you know the dates?

Uh not offhand.

Um, I will put it in for next month.

Perfect.

And and this is something that we pay on our own to go to.

It's yes, it's usually very uh minimal ch charge.

And it's going to be at what hotel?

Uh the the downtown Hyatt.

I see.

Yes.

I don't think I had started and it's sometime in October.

Uh it's called state purchasing requirements.

There we go.

Okay.

It's uh whoever d I I assume it's whoever downtown offered them uh the best rate.

Makes sense.

Yeah, that'd be will you um send us information on that?

Yes.

Okay, and we can register on our own or through you.

Uh register on your own registr as far as I have not seen registration open yet.

Okay, okay.

I mean, because since it's right here in the city.

Yes.

For us not to show up.

If you think this is something that is useful.

Yes.

Okay.

So I think uh I think we should all do your best to attend.

What's the name of the conference?

Wisconsin local history and historic preservation conference.

Historic preservation conference for the historic preservation commission.

Yeah, makes sense that we go there.

All right.

Okay, all right.

Um, if you have to travel and uh uh it's in in city limits, so we should all be able to uh at least go one day.

All right, fair enough.

Any other updates or announcements?

Okay, then I will entertain a motion to adjourn this meeting.

Went very well.

Who got the alert?

Uh two never even showed up to claim them.

Yeah.

Um speaking of that, uh Bob and and Jordan, you both did a great job.

Well, thank you.

And again, my plea is is that we put a little committee together and we try to get more people to show up, because I think it's really kinda neat in terms of this whole theme called Historic preservation.

And I would love to be able to see where the developers are announced.

I mean, everyone that's up there, I would love to see them all announced so that you know the architects uh you know and then the uh the other thing is is I see the mayor has his thing.

Did you ever think about or is it totally not appropriate to combine the two?

Is he gets or they were combined?

A tremendous amount of uh coverage.

They were combined at one point.

Um that did not prove to be a good idea.

Okay.

Why?

Under uh uh the mayor controlled that whole process, and his body was specifically taken out from under his control when we moved the store preservation commission to the clerk's office.

Not saying anything against Mayor Johnson.

He had nothing to do with any of it.

But that was under different leadership.

Yes.

I I and I'm not just um anyway.

And it it's such a great marketing tool.

Oh, it's such a great marketing tool for all of us.

So anyways, it's the only the only thing we gotta we gotta avoid having back to back awards.

That was the problem.

I mean the day before was at Seraph and it was filled because the mayor's awards, right?

And the next day was these awards.

So anyways, it needs to be thought through.

Otherwise it's like I mean, I love going to it and I love the place and everything.

But we could do I think so it could be that much more exciting.

Okay.

Uh could I know who the awards were?

But the duplexes on 2019.

Uh the um, uh the prairie, on park the urban ecological urban ecology center, the downtown church of the G.

Church of the Jets, and uh, yeah, and goes there.

Um, and the Kingdom.

We're we're on the third and junior high.

Uh did not receive uh see the majority votes.

Okay.

So now everything that got at least uh four out of seven votes got an award.

Okay, thank you.

Excellent.

Okay.

Uh I was looking for a motion to adjourn.

Oh, somebody, someone uh second.

All in favor.

Uh all right, thank you everybody.