24 2026 meeting of the fire and police commission's oversight and accountability committee.

Present are commissioners Fung, Schneider, Spence, and myself, Commissioner Horowitz.

Commissioner Burgos is excused.

Also present is FBC executive director Leon Todd.

Director, please proceed with the agenda.

Thank you, Madam Chair, and good evening, everyone.

We will begin with item number one, public comment.

For those who would like to speak and are here in person, uh, please come up and sit at the front table when your name is called.

Uh, if you are appearing virtually and have registered in advance to speak, please use the raise my hand feature in the webinar tools and unmute yourself when called upon to speak.

Each person will be given up to five minutes to speak.

Thank you.

And the first individual for public comment is Casey Serrano.

Good evening.

All right.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Um, my name is Casey Serrano.

I'm a member of the Milwaukee Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression.

And I'm here today, first of all, to thank everybody for their hard work and getting this moved so far along.

Um you all are very familiar with our faces.

You know that we've been here much longer for other things that we've wanted done.

And so it feels really great to know that we could get this moved along so quickly to the point where it's at.

Um, at this point, it seems like the next step really is for us to work together to push this hard at the common council level and to get the common counsel to really take this up as well to push for further changes than what Jeffrey Norman's already implemented.

The changes that he's implemented are a good start, but they wouldn't have saved any lives this past summer, because ultimately police can still make that decision to engage in a reckless pursuit and kill people.

And so we would love and we are asking for the common council to continue to work with us on this, and we would especially love support from the FPC to bring the common council along into this work to really get some changes made that would have saved people's lives this past summer that would have that will save people's lives next summer and every summer to come.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have Alex Larson.

Good evening.

Good evening, everybody.

Um first of all, I want to thank you all for the draft that's in front of us for this recommendation to the common council.

I think when we initially came together back in September and through the research done on the Perth report, uh NYU, and I know this has been highlighted even John Oliver covered police pursuits.

Like this is a large advancement in us doing the right thing because as it currently stands, we are held up nationally as an example of what not to do.

And I think this is a large step in the right direction.

I just have a few clarifying questions with as it pertains to this draft.

They're based on like feedback from our the last meeting.

There was a question of like those the notes is as it pertains to violent crime, and I know points were raised of like, well, you can call anything violent crime.

And my question is there's that tracker that tracks part one crime, which what we would consider violent crime in those 10 specific categories that MPD, I think I checked it this morning and it was updated through Sunday.

Is there a way just as a public information piece that we can like spread the fact that that exists?

Because I think you know, that some of these discussions, rather based on data and best practices, they turn into arguments over perception.

And I think just us all having a better understanding of like what the facts on the ground are when we engage in these discussions would go a long way.

And I know that that dashboard is you know holds a lot of valuable information for when we have these discussions.

And so, my question is when we that when we talk about violent crime in this um recommendation, are we talking about part one crime?

And then I saw that there's like the exemptions for shots fired and then uh ongoing drug investigations.

I just want clarity.

Like that's what is that what that covers.

So my understanding um, well, I I guess I should say it like this.

Um, whether or not this is included in part one crimes, like for example, if somebody uh flees in a reckless manner and crashes, and that results in someone's death.

Um I don't know if that's included in in part one crimes.

It it may be if it's charged, for example, is some type of reckless homicide, but I I don't know for certain.

Um, I can try to look into it and uh I'm just trying to eliminate gray area for when we talk about like what the exceptions are to you know when a chase can be initiated.

Um I can try to look into it and uh I'm just trying to eliminate gray area for when we talk about like what the exceptions are to you know when a chase can be initiated, I guess is my point on that.

I see.

So when you're talking about a violent felony, the fact that there is fleeing in and of itself would not be considered a violent felony.

Okay.

Okay, that helps with that one.

The second point I saw raised was in reference to SOP five seven five and whether it applies to this SOP.

Now, do the SOPs sort of all speak to each other, like, or does this need an explicit referral saying that you know incidents and police chases are governed under SOP 575?

So the SOPs do speak to each other to a certain degree, and so um SOP 575 looks to another SOP that um defines what is uh an officer involved uh shooting or another or another critical incident, uh, and uses those definitions.

So those are the definitions.

Um, and I I apologize, I don't remember the um the SOP for um critical incidents off the number off the top of my head, but that is the SOP that governs what is or is not considered a critical incident.