As chair today, um, I will start with um the roll call um commissioner Renel Washington.

Could you let us know your present online, Renault?

Present, um, Commissioner Tariq Moody.

Present Commissioner Jesus Gonçalves.

Present.

Perfect.

Um, and then my understanding is that Willie Smith is not with us, correct?

Okay.

Um, and then excused our Commissioner Stephanie Bloomingdale and Commissioner Katrina Crane.

So we welcome you all today.

Um, and um, with that, I'm gonna pass it over to um staff Tanya Konsico who will um talk us through the virtual meeting um reminders.

All right.

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And I want to make note that uh Commissioner Willie Smith has joined us virtually.

Um thank you, Willie.

Um, good to have you.

Um and then we're going to move.

Did has everybody had a chance to review and approve and hopefully approve the um meeting minutes from May 18th of 2026?

Yes, and Commissioner Moody uh moves to approve the meeting minutes from May 18th, 2026.

Commissioner Gonzalez here.

I will second that motion.

Is there any discussion?

Hearing none, um, all those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Moving to uh zoning item 26047 resolution relating to a minor modification to the detailed plan development known as Kane Commons phase one to allow exterior alterations to the existing residential structure at 1162 through 64 East Kane Place, located on the north side of East Kane Place, east of Humboldt Avenue in the third Aldermatic District.

Kristen Connolly, DCD planning.

Um, the detailed plan development for Kane Commons was established back in 2005 and entails a series of residential structures, including single family and duplexes along Kane Place and courtyard buildings to the north.

We last saw this detailed plan development before us about 10 years ago in 2016 for the approval of a new single-family um info house along Kane Place, which has since been constructed.

This minor modification file relates to an existing duplex along East Kane Place, and the owners are looking uh are working with our architect who's here as well, along with the owner, um, to make alterations to the exterior of the structure.

And since this is a custom zoning approval is necessary for those exterior alterations.

Um, as I said, the applicants are here to go over the changes in more detail and answer questions.

But in summary, the entire duplex structure will receive new vertical board and batten siding.

Um there'll be alterations to the windows with some being added or enlarged and others being removed for code purposes.

There'll be enlarged exterior doors on the north and south sides to meet code as well, and then there'll be a new first floor porch and second floor deck on the north side of the structure.

And as part of this minor modification file as well, um future modest exterior changes.

Um, we're recommending that they're able to be reviewed at a staff level just to not put them through a three and a half-month process um for minor alterations just to retain um the existing structures.

The sites within the northeast side plan boundary and more specifically the lower east side sub-area.

Uh, the plan envisions resident investment and neighborhood enhancement by a context-sensitive development that addresses current issues while preserving community character, allowing exterior improvements here for residential structures furthers these objectives, and the proposed alterations are consistent with the plan.

And staff does recommend approval.

And we've got Russ and Patrick here to answer any questions, and I know they have some slides as well.

She won't steal their thunder, then.

So this is the last piece of Kane Commons.

Um Patrick and Brett recently purchased it and are converting it now to livable uh duplex to livable duplex.

It's been sort of uh not well kept on especially on the interior.

Um with that they want to bring it into uh sort of a from the exterior, we're trying to make it blend with the neighborhood.

Part of the original um uh development was that we were then going by the old time uh East Village Historic District, which is now sort of defunct, but we're still working within that.

Um so we want to keep it historic.

We don't want to stand out like a sore thumb, but we're trying to give it a presence that's its own on the block.

Um, and so we're doing that with the vertical board and batten, which unfortunately wasn't in our list of materials uh that we'd be using.

Um, and then in terms of the color, we haven't quite chosen it yet.

Um, because again, it's that it's that balance we get between um two bro two bold, two different, and just too much the same.

So we're working on that.

That's one big decision that's left out.

Um, in terms of exterior modifications, on the front, the the big considerations was we we uh change the sizing of the windows uh a little bit just to make them a little bit bigger.

Um, and that's basically it.

Um, the front door does not meet code, and because we're doing such extensive uh construction on this, we really want to bring that up to a three-foot-wide door.

Um so we'll be bringing in new trim, um, and basically that that's it for the front.

On the east side, because of current code requirements, we're really not allowed to have any unprotected openings on that side because it's so close to the building next door.

Um, and so that we're eliminating windows and said putting in glass block.

Okay.

A couple new uh spots.

Um, and it that again that is just driven purely by code.

Um on the north side, uh, because everyone else in the development has outdoor space on the courtyard.

We felt it very important that we add that in the so each each duplex has that access.

Um truthfully that courtyard has become the liveliest part of the development.

Um, really been becoming fantastic.

Um, everyone loves that the neighbors, you know, all the group just uses it a lot.

Um, so we felt that was important.

And then finally on the west side, um, the room configuration is changing.

Um, and so what we're doing is changing the window locations and types to match um what we're doing in there.

So for instance, you look on the if you look on the bottom right elevation, you see smaller windows, those are going above a bed.

Um so that's why they're smaller.

And the other ones, the middle ones are that's the bathroom, and then the two other of the or no, that's the kitchen, and the two other ones are the living rooms.

Okay.

So the ones in the living room are the same size as the front ones, so that works back and forth, but the other windows are shaped uh basically for what we need.

Just backing up.

Uh is there anything else you want to do?

No, okay.

Um, just backing up sort of the ownership strategy of this whole development is it kind of a co-op.

Uh it's a condo.

It's a condo.

Okay, so um, what was your sort of public engagement strategy among the condo association to come to this design and it um it really works within because it's such a close close-in group.

There really isn't like a design review.

Is there just a center view board?

Uh no, I mean because we we just uh talk.

Okay.

You sit in the courtyard.

Yeah.

And truly, this is the I mean, we I think there was talk when um the Hansons built the the preview, the last unit in there.

Um, but again, because it's such a tight-knit group, it there really isn't formal structure for that.

Um I just wanted, you know it are do we have notification of the other owners or this is a minor modification?

So this is a regular agenda item, okay.

And then anything that was in their like combo bylaws or what have you, of course, they'd be obligated to follow.

Okay.

Okay.

Um yeah, it was just the first board and batten, and you know, I don't know how color choice will go forward, you know, with some of the um you know with the neighbors and the other condo.

Yeah, I don't think I don't think there'll be a problem because you know Patrick and Brett are very sensitive to what was in there.

Sure.

Um it's it's their development.

This they've invested a lot in there, so they're gonna make sure it's right for the the development.

Okay, and I think there where we have such so we have all natural colors except for the front houses, which are grays and tan's blues.

Um, so we may keep with that sort of in a color up there.

Okay, but again, we look at the street.

The street is not one for a real intense.

Sure.

You know, but we don't want a a barn red color or anything like that.

Um, but because it's such a unique position where we just want to get it right, it's just one of those things where it's gonna be tons of samples and pasting them up and putting them up on the walls, see what looks right.

So um, and that process we really do need.

We're we're ordering the the siding as primed only.

Yeah, so that way we can decide when it's uh what color works best.

Right.

Um everything else, I think.

Makes perfect sense.

Um, are there any other questions from confirm on the west elevation?

You're moving that little deck going forward.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

Um, say we got the back.

Okay.

And plus too many trucks hit it.

Okay.

Okay.

Any other questions from commissioners?

Hearing none, is there a uh motion on this issue?

Commissioner Moody moves to approve file number two six zero zero four seven.

Second, Commissioner Smith.

Choices aligned with staff, correct?

Um is that is there any other, is there any requirement you you had mentioned things that you wanted to have.

Um we don't have color selection from what I can tell in the detail plan development.

Okay, but you had mentioned wanting to have any small modifications, modification for the future.

Okay, so that that's the clarification.

That any small changes would be um approved by staff instead of coming through this three and a half month process.

Um if that's a friendly amendment.

Okay, any other discussion on this item?

Hearing none, I will do a a roll call vote.

Um Commissioner Washington.

Commissioner Moody.

Commissioner Gonzalez.

I Commissioner Smith.

Hi.

Perfect.

The motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Next item.

Um, and are we hearing three and four together?

Yes.

Um, combining items number two five, two, one nine zero, and two six zero zero eight five.

Um, and I'll turn that over to you, correct?

Sounds good, yes.

Uh so two five two one nine zero is an ordinance relating to the change in zoning from general planned uh plan development to a new detailed plan development to allow a multifamily residential development on the property located at 234 South Water Street on the east side of Southwater Street, south of Eats East Pittsburgh Avenue and the 12th Aldermanic District.

And then item number four, two six zero zero eight five is a resolution approving plans for a river walk and multifamily residential development known as the Everett at 234 South Water Street relative to the Riverwalk Site Plan Review Overlay Zone or SPRAS established by Section 295-91.0021 of the former Milwaukee Code, located on the west side of the Milwaukee River, east of South Water Street and south of East Pittsburgh Avenue and the 12th Aldermanic District.

This site has been zoned detailed plan development or DPD since around 1999, and several development proposals have been approved in the past, including the most recent 2019 DPD known as Admiral's Wharf, though none have been constructed.

The Admiral's Wharf development entailed an 11-story residential building with 3,400 square feet of commercial space and an associated riverwalk.

That DPD has since expired, and the site is currently zoned general plan development pursuant to the provisions of the zoning code.

The site continues to be used as parking for boat trailers and minimum minimal daily parking currently.

There's a new proposal for the site, and two files are before us today, as I shared earlier, one for the detailed plan development and the second for the river walk.

The applicant team is here to go through their presentation of the proposal for the site, but briefly, the proposal entails a 12-story residential building with 200 residential units, the majority of which are studios and one bedrooms.

There will be 198 internal vehicle parking spaces and 50 bike parking spaces for the residents, in addition to short-term bike parking racks placed near the main building entrance at the corner of Water and Pittsburgh.

Similar to the prior proposal, vehicle access will be from East Oregon Street to the south, which will be constructed as part of the development.

And building materials consists of a pre-cast architectural concrete base and brick with accent metal and fiber cement paneling.

All units will have a private outdoor balcony or Juliet balcony, and several amenities will be provided for the residents, including an outdoor amenity deck on the fifth floor and a rooftop outdoor space.

The new river walk segment will be constructed along the river frontage and include generous outdoor gathering areas on the north and south ends, connected by a ramped walkway to make up the fairly significant grade differential of the site.

The river walk will connect under the Pittsburgh Avenue Bridge to the north, and pedestrian connections will be provided on both the north and south ends.

In review of the city's comprehensive plan, the site is within the Harbor District water and land use plan area and more specifically within the Harbor View Subdistrict.

And overall, the vision for this area is to continue its transition to a mixed-use live work and plain neighborhood with a compact urban form that is walkable and inviting.

Waterfront access is prioritized to provide residents and visitors an opportunity to enjoy Milwaukee River, the Milwaukee Riverwalk system.

And the plan encourages high-density multi-story buildings that take advantage of the water views.

This site is also included in the Walkers Point Equitable Growth through Transit Oriented Development Plan.

And this plan identifies this as a primary development site to accommodate high-density development, supports transit-oriented development near the South First Street corridor.

A high-rise multifamily residential building at this location that provides a river walk connection is highly consistent with the land use recommendations of the plan.

Both plans have additional design recommendations that are also relevant to this proposed detailed plan development, including having minimal setbacks for new buildings, and that new buildings are designed to complement the new public space network being created in the district to provide improved waterfront access and bicycle and pedestrian connections.

The transit oriented development plan also identifies the stretch of South Pittsburgh Avenue, where this development is proposed as a key connector between the third ward, Walker's Point, and the Reed Street Yards for pedestrians, cyclists, and transit riders.

Buildings at keys and intersections on these connector streets should be designed to maximize the pedestrian experience.

Staff have reviewed the development plans for this site and feel that the proposed multifamily residential development, inclusive of the new riverwalk segment and pedestrian connections is consistent with the recommendations of the comprehensive plan, and that it provides a highly uh high density, well-designed building that is pedestrian friendly and activates the river frontage.

The proposed building consists of high quality building materials and is well articulated.

And the riverwalk provides multiple pedestrian connections and generous outdoor public gathering spaces.

The applicant team has worked collaboratively with staff through our design review process, and we feel that the exhibits before you today are largely complete.

There are some minor details that DCD planning staff would like to continue working through with the applicant at a staff level and be reflected in the final exhibits for both the detailed plan development and the river walk overlay files.

So we recommend approval of file numbers 252 190 and 260085 with the following conditions.

One that the applicant provides updated plans that reflect revised locations of the short-term bike parking in coordination with the Department of Public Works if locations are within the right-of-way, and the revised condition of the river walk entrance at East Pittsburgh Avenue and the adjacent resident entrance stair and a loading zone along South Water Street at Pittsburgh Avenue.

Secondly, an applicant that the applicant provides an updated landscape plan that includes additional native plantings within the River Walk site plan review overlay zone that provide year-round interest.

Third, that the applicant continues to work with DCD staff on final selection of the tinted and spanned roll glazing on the ground floor and plinth levels of the building.

Four, that the applicant provides updated elevations that reflect the glazing types at all areas of the building.

And finally, that the applicant adds a building materials page to the detailed plan development and river walk drawings exhibit.

And with that, I will turn things over to the activant team to share a little bit more.

Thank you.

You covered most of it, so it's my job up here should be pretty short.

Could you uh introduce your record?

Sorry, uh Brian Griebel, architect with BGS Construction Services.

Thank you.

So as she mentioned, uh, in terms of the building materials and design, when we looked at this, it was kind of creating the building into uh to create some sort of hierarchy and have things aligned throughout, you know, from the base up through the middle into the top.

So with that base, you know, we have an architectural precast, majority masonry and kind of the middle units there of four through four through 11 and then that upper kind of penthouse 12th floor level as more of a metal panel there, but still keeping the alignment with kind of the hierarchy of the building there.

So we did go through and kind of look at some of the existing images of the site.

So these all kind of just uh glance through.

As you had mentioned, it's a 12-story 200, 200 unit building, approximately 284,000 square feet around the street level, you know, street activation was uh a large topic of conversation with you know multiple iterations on this site.

Um, so we did our best to keep that that water Pittsburgh and Riverwalk Corner as activated as possible.

Um, you know, as was mentioned, there are some difficulties with grade in there between the lower area on Oregon Street up to water in Pittsburgh, where getting that activation uh does become challenging.

But we feel like we did our best to take to keep that area activated there.

Is that really the second floor plan?

It's uh it's a second floor plan, and at that Water Street Pittsburgh Corner, you're about six feet up off the first floor and about four feet down from the second.

So uh it's a series of um there's some ADA ramping on the exterior along with some stairs with some additional stairs and ramping on the interior.

The goal there was to break it up, but then still provide kind of that storefront uh glazing at the street level to keep uh you know the visual into the building for the pedestrian on the sidewalk.

Um in regards to the river walk.

Uh, as was mentioned, you know, it's approximately 300 feet of additional frontage there, plus an extra almost 60 at the new uh Oregon Street.

Um, and as was mentioned, uh, there will be you know more or less three new connection points.

One underneath the Pittsburgh Avenue Bridge, up at the Pittsburgh level, and then also down at the new Oregon Street, which will connect to Oregon Street, the sidewalk there, and then any you know future developments that may happen to the south would provide an easy way to connect there.

Just a general site plan.

Um, you can kind of see the Oregon Street to the what is now Plan East, but but on the south end with the overall development building in gray.

Landscape.

So first floor is uh mainly parking with uh some building mechanicals.

Uh second floor.

Uh again, that you can kind of see that that left portion over there is kind of where we're focusing in on that that corner activation, um, the building program leasing offices, uh co-working space, lounge fitness center in that area.

Uh floors three and four uh are the remainder of the parking with just a few few units to the you know plan west in this.

Just to clarify, as you're going through these, the the auto in and out is if you could, I don't know, can you point?

I can't point, but it's on the upper right in this one, um off of Oregon Street there.

So that extension kind of dog legs in to your building.

Okay.

Yeah, and there is as I didn't mention the there is loading zone down there on Oregon Street to keep to keep some of the traffic off of Water Street there.

Okay.

And access will still be maintained to the existing drive-in.

What is that?

Street, uh, that's just a utility connection showing the extents of I believe our I believe water comes from that freeze slide walk.

Okay.

Sorry.

So, yeah, floors three and four are the remainder of the parking with just some some units to kind of the plan west here.

And then floor five, as mentioned, it's the start of the bulk unit floors with the outdoor amenity deck with kind of a seating area and then a pool.

Six through eleven are basically stacked unit plans of the bulk of the unit floors, and then 12 uh has some uh a little bit different break, a three bedroom on that that what is southeast corner, and then on the northeast corner is uh an outdoor lounge for for residents to take advantage of there.

Just a brief overview of the river walk.

Um, as I mentioned, there is some some grading challenges on the site.

Uh so on either ends the north and south end are some larger gathering spaces for residents and and the public.

Um, it's a mixture of seating and planters, uh, and then there's a series of ADA ramping that goes down towards Oregon Street.

Um, and then on the lower plan there, that's a connection back towards uh the north that goes under Pittsburgh.

So building elevations.

That's Water Street.

This is the river side.

Uh the left is the Pittsburgh elevation, and then the right is off of Oregon Street.

So, and then we just have a few renderings here of the different spaces.

You had seen this one originally.

Um here's more of a street level at the corner of water in Pittsburgh.

A little bit different angle from that, that same water street corner.

This would be down towards the south end of Oregon Street at the kind of the entry to the riverwalk there, taking some of the building elements canopies and kind of extending those and creating those, you know, that in this case a semi-covered uh you know, gathering space seating area.

And more more or less an overall riverwalk view.

A little bird's eye view of the fifth floor amenity deck, that seating area to the left along with a pool on the right.

What was the to the left?

I'm sorry.

It's a seating area, turf, turf and pavers, uh, a few fire pits.

Not dog exercise.

It is not dog exercise.

Uh similar water street view, just um more of a dusk or dawn type of building lighting.

And this would be kind of that upper river walk towards the that Pittsburgh elevation up there, just looking down.

So could and you might have to go back a couple slides, but you could you describe your move-in-move-out scenario?

Yep.

Yeah, I'll jump back to so the loading zone is down off Oregon Street.

Um, and the path would be if you have a box truck, you know, you're not gonna make the overhead door clearance.

Uh the movement would go from Oregon Street through the parking level along that same level to the elevator lobby.

Okay.

Um it's could you go back to that that lower level plan?

Yes.

Just kind of can't point.

I gotta go back to it too.

Twelve.

Start back to further shoulder the box, but you can't do that.

So those are present.

Do you want me to point?

Sure.

I think that would be helpful because I I always struggle with kind of you know so this curve cut, um, 60 feet.

The whole lot of trucks there.

Um so the idea would be you can either hammerhead your truck and pull it around here or we just had this door into the elevator.

Obviously, we have a smaller vehicle and you make the clearance, just a little park over by the elevator, but it's coming on a very large box, but a lot of Oregon Street.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we we ran it was a third or thirty-foot box truck.

We we did uh an exhibit and presented that okay.

And uh if it was a full moving van like um like um Fisher Moody, it would have to be on the on Water Street and still make that same.

You could you could back it in off water.

I think the length is there, the the turnaround isn't there.

So you'd have to back it off of water into the floating zone.

But yeah, there's still enough, like we brother drove a moving van and full-size truck in college, and it's amazing what those trucks can do.

Um so, but once you get into the building, I'm I'm just struggling a little bit, and this is totally on you guys, and just a suggestion.

But you know, like coming through that double small double door and into the you feel like that's adequate to come into that elevator core and and up.

Oh like on the low for for moving, yeah.

Yeah, it's I think we have a six six-foot double door there.

Um, you know, we could even look at making it more of an eight foot clear door down there.

Um, it's just a suggestion.

You know, I I'm more concerned with what's happening on the outside and trucks, but just wanted to bring that one up.

The site's you know, kind of with its loss of about uh you know a story from north to south, it just kind of screams that's the entrance from the garage.

Yeah, now you have your lobby and you want your lottery circulation to kind of screaming you can pay here's where the elevator ranks go.

Yeah, and the two didn't meet in the middle.

So yeah, you're you're spot on, it's not gonna be the most convenient to move in and move out, but you only have to do that once everything else has to work well for the rest of the time.

Hopefully they're long-term tenants.

Yeah, um so some questions about exterior um materiality.

In the renderings, it looked dark compared to some of its buddies across the river and um and around it, in real life, other than next act, Carl Kate and Q.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I apologize.

I probably should have started with that.

Um in real life, this is uh very similar to the dark version of the brick we used on a Vonnie.

Um, just developed that site on a third board uh okay across the summer press next to the belly of that.

Okay.

So it came through on the rendering is a whole heck of a lot darker than it doesn't.

Yeah, that's even on this board, it's not as dark on the board.

It still looks dark on the board, and I guess what I what I would challenge anyone who's concerned about it to do is just drive past the body.

In real life, it doesn't do this.

It matches a lot better with our neighbors, the north of what it seems like in the elevation.

Okay.

Yeah, it just seems a little dark.

I'll I'll give you that here.

In real life, we know we're not okay.

Um, Madam Chair.

Yes.

Uh this is Commissioner Washington.

I do have a couple questions similar to what you asked about the ingress egress uh loading zone area.

Uh good e uh good afternoon to the development team, just Commissioner Washington.

Um looking at the current picture, um, I see that the two cars with the blur are on Pittsburgh, and I'm looking at a uh picture on maps.

The front edge of the building along water is all gonna be loading zone from the parking, so I'm sorry, from the stop sign at the intersection of Pittsburgh and Water to what will be called new Oregon Street.

Is that all gonna be loading zone area?

So no street parking in front of the building, or is there gonna be a scenario where there is some visitor visitor parking, loading zone there?

And I know you said that there would be a loading zone in the new uh East Oregon Street area.

I'm just curious to see what the front edge of the building looks like because there's about seven, eight cars parked there in the picture I'm looking at.

Um there is a bike lane, so what is the streetscape look like for uh potential visitors or individuals in the neighborhood?

Again, next act is across the street.

I know other neighboring buildings do kind of park along that corridor, so I'm just curious what that looks like for uh potential people that will be visiting the building or uh the neighbors in the neighborhood.

Yes, thank you.

Um along Water Street, you know, we are not calling for a loading zone there.

The intent would be that if if DPW and the city wishes that to remain like visitor parking or parallel parking in the bike lane, that that is the intent.

So the the drop or the loading zone would be primarily off Oregon Street.

Okay.

Uh sorry.

Oh, Dawn from DPW has her hand raised.

Don.

Hi.

Uh Dawn Schmidt, Department of Public Works.

Um, I just want to point out that we did actually request a loading zone at the uh, you know, wouldn't be the whole block, but you do want to allow to have a short loading zone adjacent to the main entrance.

Um for things like uh pickups and drop-offs for deliveries of like things like Uber Eats, ride share, food deliveries, what have you.

Um, those folks are not gonna park down at Oregon.

It worst case scenario, you wind up with a double parking situation, which is what we want to avoid.

Okay, so so then just so we can clarify in meta chair.

Uh I do I think I have one more the question.

So there would be a loading zone along Oregon and a short one in front of the building, Dawn is what you're saying.

Ideally, that would be what I would like to see.

Um, and I and just so that everyone is aware, the the plans here don't show it, but there is actually a uh Department of Public Works project where they're adding a uh a bike lane, uh, take a protected bike lane on Pittsburgh, or excuse me, on Water Street.

Uh, but that will not preclude like having a a loading zone adjacent to the the entrance to the building.

Okay, and then madam chair, I do have one follow-up question if I may.

And then Dawn, you might be able to help too.

So, so from this Google image where Oregon Street is, there's a short, there's a fire hydrant with it which appears to be in front of the salvage yard, and then it starts parking again.

That area, uh, I guess going south will not be affected by this development at all, or there won't be any um responsibility for the development team to do anything there.

My understanding is that the the developer would only have responsibility going from Oregon Street north.

Okay.

So anything in front of the neighboring property would be outside of the limits of their, would be out there, it would be outside their scope.

Okay, and then this is a hundred percent market rate project, correct?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions from the commissioners?

I do have a couple myself, then.

Um you have control over the boat slips as well as part of your development?

Yes, okay.

So the whole river walk, boat slips is all you.

Um and I know too much because I'm a voter.

Um, but um the power line that kind of comes through there and your through the site.

Um, what is the plan with that?

The overhead utilities would be taken care of and moved underground.

I know I know Dawn is we've gone back and forth, and that's that that's definitely one of her concerns as well.

Good, good.

Um, and then um.

And with your unit mix, you're still not thinking that there needs to be any exterior play, um, like or families.

Um what is your what is your unit mix if you could remind me?

Yeah.

Yeah, we're at 57 uh studios, uh 99 one beds, 432 and one three.

Okay, that's one three-bedroom probably doesn't put us into the need a place for those kids to play.

Like, like if you were heavily weighted towards three bedrooms, but I just wanted to bring it up.

Um any other questions from commissioners.

Oh, the stair sort of interact ramp interaction with the uh river walk.

Are you currently showing um your fight your best and final answer, or is that still something that should be a condition of being worked out with it was very small in here, I couldn't tell whether it has changed since earlier renditions.

It is not changed in this uh from the submittal, but we've had correspondence with city, and we're gonna widen that there to alleviate that pinch point where that scare is so right.

That is called um Madam Chair, I think I just have one question.

The I'm looking at the rendering.

So it'll connect to the river walk going north, but there's not a south riverwalk connection behind the salvage yard area that'll extend at some point in the future or no.

It it connects to the public sidewalk there at at the edge of the building.

Um and it it'll wrap around both sides of Oregon Street.

That's the one rendering, that one, the overhead trellis piece.

Um that's kind of where you come back for now.

Um there is a proposal for an adjacent development that would that would be part of their development to take care of that one.

Yep.

Nope.

I was just uh wanting to make sure.

Uh I couldn't quite tell from the image that was on the screen.

So I just wanted to make sure.

So what we're looking at it.

Sorry.

Well, what we're looking at disabuts to Oregon.

South in.

Yeah, you're you're standing facing looking north.

Correct.

Yeah.

Got it.

Okay.

Oh, so Brian, we have heard from you.

Sorry, don't Carl.

Okay.

I've gotten that one.

That's C and the L, but I um we have some other folks who would like to speak.

Um Stephanie Lodovic.

Um I just want to make sure you still do not want to speak.

Okay, perfect.

Come on up to the table.

And introduce yourself for the record.

Hi, I'm Stephanie Ludovic, L U D O V I C.

And I've lived in the neighborhood for 10 years, so that 221 East Oregon Street.

And so I do come with all due respect for your work and your rendering, but I do have opposition based on the fact that this building is twice as big as everything around it.

And it's just kind of trumps the rest of the neighborhood.

In my opinion, it's it actually is a very small space too, that little corner there.

Um, and I just think for the agenda items and priorities that you have for the development of this district, that if you mention that waterfront access was such a large point, I feel like this would benefit the people that lived in that 12-story building, but then it'll take it away from all the nearby residences and businesses, including like the architecture firm.

Um the other thing I would point out too in the first slide that they showed, it did show like all the beautiful trees that are actually there right now.

And in my opinion, that is such a um beauty of this little micro neighborhood is that it is very urban, but it doesn't seem as urban as other parts like traditional northwater street.

So there's all those beautiful existing trees, and it does bring in a large amount of birds.

Like we get a ton of little birds on our balconies, and it does just make it seem more like a neighborhood.

Um then the other point, since you did bring up so much conversation centered around that Oregon Street, the new North Oregon Street that they were talking about.

See, that seems problematic because Oregon Street is not a through street anymore.

Like it ends at Barclay from the west from the area where I live, and that architecture firm that's gated.

So regardless residents that are trying to move in or I was gonna have to enter from Southwater and pull into that little strip on um the new North Oregon that they were proposing, and that is an area that gets very busy.

I can tell you just Monday through Friday, people park there for work and also seasonally with festivals and stuff.

That's a very busy little street, Southwater.

Um, and then like I said, quiet otherwise, but I could see that being an issue.

Um but I think really that I guess I would just question like why does it need to be 12 stories?

So I did like I said, I believe there's a 10 year 10 years and there has been development.

Um the Domus building went in across since I lived there, but it actually is a nice addition because it it matches the marine terminal loss, and you know, it looks like it fits in the vibe of the neighborhood, plus whoever developed that little trestle park next to it, that's really amazing, and just that little bit of green space goes a long way.

So I think um, you know, I love the part about the riverblock being extended, but if it's only extending really the length of the building, it sounds like, and then turning around on that little north Oregon.

That's really just a pretty small section.

Um, so those I think are my main points.

Thank you.

Sure.

Any questions for Stephanie?

All right, we buy or maybe stay here, we'll probably we may recall you up.

Um, thank you.

David Jorgeson.

Uh you do not wish to speak.

Never mind.

I'm all for it.

Okay.

Um, David Barry is in favor of the item and does not wish to speak.

Just confirming that that's still the case.

Um, Kyle.

I'm sorry, Kyle.

I cannot say in.

Oh.

Okay.

Um, if questions.

Okay.

Um, Andrew Oates is unsure about the item and would like to speak.

Yeah, that's great.

Um I live down the street.

Um, Andy Oates.

I really was just curious about how the new boat slip situation will look following the development.

Um, I think the building is beautiful.

It's nice to see some some new development on that side of the river.

And I I live down the street.

I think it would be good to continue to get more foot traffic for the local businesses.

Um, but I'm just curious if that because that's currently sort of a public boat slip.

Um I'm also a boater, I keep a boat there, and I'm curious if that'll be specific to the residents of the building.

I also think it's about the same number of boat slips that are currently there, but I was curious if the dimensions or anything are gonna be.

Oh, I'll ask that question.

Okay.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

Um, and then Hannah Cazola is opposed to the item and would like to speak.

Um, you just introduce yourself for the record.

My name's Hannah Casola.

I live um actually really near Stephanie.

I'm kind of in the same little complex there.

We all share sort of a courtyard and excuse me, a courtyard and parking lot.

There's four different apartment complexes there that kind of make up one little compound that are right across the street from this proposed development.

Um, and I agree with her pretty much on everything.

I love the development that was Domus across the river.

I've lived there for about six years, so I wasn't there when that one was built, but I think it fits in nicely with the landscape, nicely with the neighborhood.

Um I actually got married at Trestle Park last year.

I think that was a really really wonderful kind of natural little addition to the neighborhood.

Um, you know, I agree with her on just about everything there.

I think that a 12-story building is egregious.

Um nothing around there is 12 stories.

Um, the closest one is um the point condo complex up on SIBO Street.

That's the only 12-story building in the vicinity.

Um the rest and of the surrounding parcels are all zoned IM, um, which caps at 45 feet by right.

Um there is one zoned PD, I believe that is, or maybe that is the point.

Um, but the rest are zoned I am.

Um that includes the water street losses actually is on PE, and that's at six stories.

Um the waterfront condos are zoned PD IM, Marine Terminal Lofts are IM, Mayad Um is IM, Bridgeview Cell The Waterworks is IM, and the adjacent parcels on Southwater and Oregon are all I am.

So the neighborhood is low, putting a 12-story building in between our buildings and the river and the sunrise, takes away at least two and a half hours of sunlight from our buildings from our balconies, from our plants, from all of us every single day.

And I have the I had to do a bunch of math on that, but I have a calculation, so you guys want to see them.

And now I have to call my high school math teacher and tell them he was right and had to use it.

Um that's just you know, that's I don't think it's something that's thought a lot about when developments like this go in, but that's a big mental health issue.

That's a quality of life issue for hundreds of other people in this neighborhood who've lived there for a long time.

Um, that's an especially that's an issue for me.

I like my sunshine, especially when we don't have it for six months a year.

We have it for four hours a day.

I don't want two and a half hours of big on.

Um, and I love this neighborhood.

I want to stay there, so that's it.

That's an issue for me.

Um, it doesn't fit in with the with the landscape in a predominantly I am zone neighborhood.

It's been the only one of its kind.

Um speaking of the density, and it was it was mentioned before the um floor area ratio analysis versus other buildings around here, even 333 Northwater Street, and that is the gross building floor area divided by the total lot area.

Um at the proposed Everett is about 10.3 in comparison to like 333rd Northwater, that's 8.5.

So this building isn't just taller than like the prior proposal of Admirals Wharf.

It represents a 50% increase in units and a meaningful increase in gross floor area.

Um it's about three times the FAR, the floor area ratio of a buy right I am building that would otherwise you know fit in with the neighborhood on a size less than one acre with a buildable space of about half an acre, which is you know the compact urban form that you guys were discussing earlier, that's kind of the plan for the harbor district development.

And I understand that I'm all for the development of the area.

I think it's great, but it doesn't mean unbounded density on tiny plots.

Um I do think that the pattern of failed proposals that have previously been on the site warrants a heightened scrutiny, screw scrutiny.

There we go, of this a proposal of this density.

Um, this is the fifth developer to publicly pursue this site since 2009.

Um, and a common threat across all of the prior failures is the the constraints of this site.

We've heard a little about it.

There's a giant slope down toward the river.

Um, it's a small footprint, the DNR and other requirements, the floodplain exposure, um, DNR permit exposure, the grade differentials, sewer capacity limitations.

Each prior developer ultimately concluded that the economics of this site at a responsible scale do not work.

Um this proposal looks to solve that problem not by redesigning the project but by adding 67 more units.

Um, but then the prior proposal while eliminating the commercial space.

Um, I think that we should be skeptical that the same constraints that defeated the four prior proposals are just suddenly resolved.

Um the renter proposal a couple years ago was defeated by a DNR reclassification of the high water level mark that moved it about 12 feet back from the riverfront.

Um this proposal has the building or the setback.

There we go.

That's what we're looking for.

The setback 11 feet from it.

It does indicate that the build all building is within the ordinary high water mark, but I don't know that that's been reassessed since last year's floods.

I don't know that anything's changed.

I mean, that's just something that I don't know, and I would certainly want looked into.

Um have any of the DNR OWHM permits been applied for.

I can ask.

Okay.

Um, is I know those have derailed some of the prior projects.

Um the floodplay over lane zone permit.

Has that been secured?

Similarly.

Okay.

Um, so uh there's been a lot of talk too about the traffic safety and the kind of loading zones and everything.

Um, and that is it gets insane down there during summer fest.

And I don't know if any of you got caught in the great jelly roll traffic jam of several years ago.

That was really bad.

Um, and with that drawbridge being there, there is a signal on one side, not on the other.

There is two blocks down.

I mean, it just gets really kind of gnarly sometimes.

I haven't seen a traffic impact analysis, anything like that.

There's I think it would be irresponsible to just green light the entire proposal without something like that.

Um especially with that intersection coming off of Pittsburgh onto Southwater.

Um I walk every single day.

I have my office is right up here, my house is right down there.

It's this is my ward order.

Um I almost been hit several times at that intersection just walking.

I've seen several very near missed car accidents.

It I think it it warrants a traffic analysis.

If we're gonna add, you know, 200 cars at least twice a day, that's that's a lot of traffic.

Um and it would be very difficult to install a signal there, we can it'd be almost impossible to have one on either side of the bridge.

So I just some remediation needs to be done there or at least thought about.

Um, and the quantified um vehicle load on that bridge too should probably be looked at.

I know the one on South First or water was just redone, but but I don't think this one has been.

Um, and those are some of my concerns.

I know that um I think overall just the this building I think is just out of touch with the character of the existing neighborhood.

Um and as far as I understand the boat rental slips or the the boat slips are for the tenants is I think what I read in there.

I don't know many renters who have boats.

Um I certainly don't.

I okay so I I think it's just a little bit out of touch.

There are certainly concerns that I have, and um thank you for listening.

Absolutely, yeah.

Thank you for your testimonies.

Is there anybody online that wishes to speak?

At this time, if you are in attendance online, and if you wish to offer a testimony, please uh praise the raise hand function.

And at this time nobody is raising their hand.

Thank you.

Um, a little bit of questions.

The I am sort of designations around this site, um, you know, in comparison and um what came forward to you know be in support of the 12-story building.

Yeah, so um I am would allow up to 75 feet um actually, so there is that um consideration, but certainly um we have reviewed this in the past at various heights, and the most recent proposal in 2019 was for 10 stories, um, which this is similar to.

Um, and so while we of course are are reviewing overall um character, um, and that begins in, you know, during comprehensive planning, but also uh certainly um in context of the neighborhood.

Um this you know is being considered as as part of the larger development and context.

Uh there are some unique um challenges with the site, as you heard with the grade and making um development feasible on this site, um, and reviewing this very comprehensively.

We believe that what they are proposing does fit within the site.

Um, and you know, that's that is where where we are today.

Um, and certainly there are some uniqueness with the parking plants um and other things that obviously kind of require a little more height given that, but in order to to park the development, we felt that that was that was appropriate.

Um, and just the floor area density, and I would also be concerned about the the parking.

Um I think that came up in our internal review, but um the parking per unit and the parking per unit is what we're seeing consistently for developments across the city, many of which have been developed.

Um, and so we have been doing a survey of that as of late and what they're what they're proposing is consistent with what we're seeing in our market and then in terms of some of these other um potential overlays and studies um do you happen to know if there was don loves when I asked this question um a traffic impact analysis um if there was any interaction with DNR um regarding the floodplain or overlay yeah I'll let uh Don and the development team speak to those upcoming reviews and what discussions have taken place so far um a traffic analysis has not been requested we don't typically request that for development of this scale um but I don't speak to that um more knowledgeably than I can right this would not this is not um from dpw's perspective this particular development does not have enough traffic or would not produce enough traffic to warrant a traffic impact analysis it is not that much traffic it may feel like a lot of traffic to folks in the area however um the fact of the matter is is that there is is uh based on what I'm looking at with the traffic counts from WISTOT there's not actually a lot of traffic on a daily basis on Southwater or on West Pittsburgh compared to other streets in the city um and there will be you know if this helps for for residents uh to be aware you know folks that spoke um there are going to be projects coming up that are uh spearheaded by our multimodal group that will institute traffic calming along Pittsburgh and along Southwater Street um I think I mentioned earlier the uh what is it the protected uh two-way bike lane that's going in on Southwater Street um however that bike lane that facility will not preclude the ability to put in a loading zone um the parking related to festivals is the reason why I am bringing up the idea of putting a loading zone next to the main building entrance so that we don't wind up with a situation where folks are double parking um or potentially yeah we're mitigating that I I don't know what to add.

Yeah I just have some follow-up Don with um you know being a next actor and a voter um and trying to cross Pittsburgh it it is um it can get dicey along there that intersection is um yeah so I'm glad to hear that there is some traffic calming coming yes yes I mean I don't remember who said it I mean they are the whoever did say it I mean there is it is correct we would not be able to put a traffic signal there um it's just that would not work um however the traffic calming I mean it certainly will cut down the crossing distance of the roadway for a pedestrian which should help matters um I think we've also noticed that when we put in protected bike lanes because you're narrowing the roadway a bit yes slow people down which will also help with traffic calming make things a little bit easier specifically for pedestrians okay and I I just thank you Dawn um I think I I have one person who said that they were going to be present but I don't have a sign in for a Hannah Cazola oh that was you okay all right so that was the okay so we're good all right thank you um I did have a sign in I apologize for that um all right um and then if we can have the development team back up here for some follow-up questions.

Just starting with the, you know, other encumbrances the the flood can't plane, any interaction with the DNR um and your thoughts on traffic in the area and parking.

Brian Griebel with DJS.

In terms of conversations with the DNR, those have been those over started several weeks ago.

So we are in contact with the DNR and then also the Army Corps of Engineers if that needs to come into play for the boat piers.

Okay.

For that piece.

So that was raised, just kind of a lessons learned from you know developments around the area with some flooding in the lower levels.

And this matches that that same height of what was previously reviewed and approved at that.

And that has been a topic of conversation that we've looked at too.

So and then just the discussion about the new boat slips and who gets to be in them and who not asking for myself.

So the intent would be they're they're available for everyone, but yeah.

Residents first.

Residents kind of first, but we don't think in conjunction with uh Anna to know it is.

I don't know how many people are renting a studio apartment also on a large boat.

Uh, I don't I think those are two separate individuals.

The intent here is that we have the slips up front to have that tie into the river, but yeah.

Will the person that rents the penthouse two bedroom have a boat maybe?

Yeah, but yeah, I don't expect that they're all going to go.

So they're available to anybody who would like.

And then um I think everything else is kind of just your um your the discussion of density um and height and just where you've been in your design process, um, to you know, obviously, I think you're hoping more units helps this make more sense, and then just the parking counts compared to the um the unit mix.

Yes, parking counts are consistent with our last two developments all of the same size and scale, the uh density.

We're this is our first um run of this site, so I don't know what happened the previous four times, but um we like Milwaukee's work and so we plan to develop this if approved.

Um so I I guess I I can't speak to what happened in the past, but I can speak to I'm just talking about your design process.

Yes, our design.

Like, did you did you look at anything less high?

But no, I think our our plans were informed by previous plans, and that's what makes the site work, frankly.

Um, it's uh and I do believe the intent with the zoning for the south is that this kind of continues at uh trend of the south.

I don't believe the intent, maybe I'm speaking out of turn would be to drop back down to a biosoric building and work your way further out for the river.

I believe they're peeing all the way down front to the south.

I think.

No, that hasn't been determined yet, I don't believe.

It's like the components.

So, yeah, I don't know.

Okay, I agree.

There's something coming, but I don't know the deeds about it, and I don't think any of us really can speak to that.

So, heavily informed by uh previous and and building height, the previous Admiral's wharf was 11 stories.

Uh this one overall building height is about the same.

Floor-to-floor heights were slightly reduced and over 12 stories, it kind of adds up to an extra.

Similar in terms of massing to yeah, and I I we'd have to look at the previous just in terms of kind of some of the rooftop screening, you know, and how how high that stuck up as compared to this ones.

Um then uh the vegetation and just your landscape plan.

I know that there was a staff comment about more net native vegetation.

I it is sad to lose mature trees.

Um, I don't know if there's any way to save them, but um throwing it out there see seeing what you've studied and what you you've looked at in terms of um of getting a native habitat back in.

Yeah, and staff's comments have been to re-look at those as more, you know, native pieces.

So our landscape architect is working on, you know, revised, it'd be the same quantity of what of what we're currently showing, but you know, getting a species that's native to the area, making sure that's those alignment any other follow-up questions from the commissioners.

Um Commissioner Moody, have you talked to the surrounding businesses about the project?

Any feedback?

Neighborhood association, yeah.

Yeah.

You know, when that meeting was any sun studies or anything about how you are impacting the neighbors.

Um no official studies, but we've done kind of you know fly around renders to see you know different times of the year at solstices and just to see different um impacts for the the shadow kind of study on that water street Pittsburgh site.

And what you found the neighbors suggesting consistent?

Um it it depends on time of year just with the with kind of the solar angle, but I mean with with any sort of 12-story development, you're gonna end up with shadows in some area.

Just I think that it's more on the architecture from across the street potentially than some of the residential pieces.

And the sun studies from yeah, three different times a year.

Okay, and submit them as to what the effect is.

Okay.

Yes.

And we did look at that just for the pool itself on the building too, just to ensure that you know, wasn't in constant shade.

Um yeah, just the interaction with these other um due diligence and the the floodplain issues and the DNR.

I mean, could that move things?

So that has been evaluated already, and that's what's been determined and what their design has been hinged on.

So when they initially reached out to us, we brought in DPW and and made sure that their design was based on where the studies have brought us to today.

Okay, yeah.

So it's similar to earlier ones that have been ordinary high water mark is taken into account.

Correct.

And Don was part of that review early on to verify all of that with the team.

Okay.

All right.

Any other questions from commissioners?

Not is there a motion.

Uh this is Commissioner Washington.

Uh I just want to get a point of clarification.

So excuse me.

My apologies.

Um I noted there's some contingencies, but Dawn had recommended that there be a loading zone added to the front of the building, which I'm not quite sure that it is in the current contingency.

That is condition six.

Oh, it's condition six.

Okay.

That is in number one.

We do have that, the final uh statement and condition number one.

Okay.

Right.

I I stand corrected.

It's part of I just yeah, I just wanted to make sure.

I just wanted to make sure.

And then um the landscaping plan is also part of the conditions as well, Tanya.

Yes, yes, correct.

So I took notes on the the applicant was willing to under one short-term bike parking, revised entry, to work to work with staff on and I apparently a water street loading zone.

And then um condition two was updated LA landscape architecture plan to um have more native plantings um to work with staff number three on tinted uh glass options for final approval um and then condition four updated plans and elevations to reflect these changes, um including uh the materials um and then uh material and uh uh condition five being a building materials um sheet um which would also work with staff to determine final materials.

Sorry, one other thing uh one other thing I I don't remember us really discussing.

Do we talk about the exterior lighting plan along the river walk in?

Um I guess the east and north and south points of the building.

I don't believe we have talked with the development team about that.

I don't know if you've reviewed it with staff and have a we have approvals there.

We have uh we have reviewed lighting with with staff uh along with design review board.

Um and that that that's shown in the renderings in terms of vertical lighting, it's also outlined in the the DPD narrative in terms of uh the types of lighting and signage, and we are we are comfortable with what they're proposing.

Okay, it's consistent with with the river walk, and kind of a good hybrid between um the existing river walk and and the connection to the harbor district guidelines as well, so it'll be a good transition.

Commissioner Washington, did you hear that answer?

Uh I did.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Uh nope.

Any other questions or potentially a motion from one of the commissioners?

Um I think you could probably refer to what I just said.

We have to do it separately or together.

Um I think you can let's do them separately just for great clear greater clarity.

Commissioner Moody approves conditionally based off uh um commissioner Allison Nimic, conditions that she spoke, item two five two one nine zero.

We could be the general plan, detailed plan development perfect.

Commissioner Smith.

I was just seconding his um motion.

Perfect.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, um, I will take a roll call vote.

Uh Commissioner Renel Washington.

Commissioner Washington.

I'll say aye, excuse me.

Okay, that's okay.

Um Commissioner Moody.

Commissioner Gonzalez?

Aye.

Commissioner Smith.

Aye.

Motion passes.

Um commission uh item number four on our agenda two six zero zero eight five.

Is there a motion from the commission?

Okay.

This relates to the river walk and with and multifamily residential development and the spraws.

Anyone?

Commissioner Moody approves conditionally based off the state of conditions, item two six zero zero eight five.

I think it's really out the requirements in the spraw's correct.

Correct.

In the landscape.

So yeah, I think we can apply the same conditions.

Okay.

Is there a second?

Commissioner Gonzalez.

I will second that motion.

Um all those are any discussion.

Commissioner Washington.

Aye.

Commissioner Moody.

Aye.

Commissioner Gonzalez.

Aye.

Commissioner Smith.

Aye.

And the motion passes.

And know that we'll continue to take that into account as this item moves forward.

So congratulations and and thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anything else for the good of the of the cause?

Hearing none, do we have a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Please say aye.

Thank you.

Motion passes.