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Mobile Administrative Services Committee Discusses Vacant Structure Registry Ordinance - September 30, 2025

City Council MeetingsTuesday, September 30, 2025
BodyMobile, Alabama
SessionCity Council Meetings
DateTuesday, September 30, 2025
StatusFILED
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If we can let's call to order the administrative services committee uh for the city to address uh the ordinance that we have before us and I forgot a number already, uh, but it's called the vacant strike structure registry, which we've met on once before.

0:17

Uh there seemed to be some still questions after the last council meeting and council pre-council meeting where we were kind of looking over this, and we decided to come back to committee to look at a few things.

0:28

Uh I'd like to pick up where we left off.

0:32

Uh, but before we do that, I've had several questions and several people called me over the last five days asking bunches of questions about this, but I've had two property owners who've called who had very big questions about this.

0:46

So I said today that I'll allow five minutes for the property owner to address us before we actually got started.

0:54

Uh Ms.

0:54

Mr.

0:55

Townsend is sitting in the back back here.

0:57

And if uh you'd like to come to the podium and discuss some possible issues that you may have uh with the council before we actually get through this.

1:08

Some of the things I think we've already addressed, but it'd be nice if they could hear from you.

1:13

Please take the podium up there and hit the mic and talk to us about your concerns.

1:18

Yeah, thanks.

1:19

Thanks a bunch.

1:20

I didn't know I'd get to go first.

1:21

So this is great.

1:22

Um, I'm I'm a property uh licensed unlimited general contractor in Alabama.

1:28

I've got two properties in downtown mobile, uh, five total in the Broad Street loop.

1:34

Two uh everybody's happy about they're developed out.

1:37

They uh one was uh developed in 2003, it's 459 Dolphin Street.

1:43

It's a uh historic tax credit project, it's fully rented, it's doing great.

1:48

The other is a lot, and then there's three buildings that are tied up.

1:54

One is a regulatory issue, the building's too big, it's also in downtown mobile.

1:59

We we're caught in the uh the if you have over 99 occupancy, you have to go before the planning commission.

2:08

We've tried three times, and and really to kind of back up, I think it's a great idea, my personal opinion, to have a registry for vacant buildings and hold people accountable, if that's the right word, but at least uh a little bit of additional pressures.

2:28

There's a cost to mobile, there's a cost to the citizens that these buildings aren't being developed out, and then it's like how to tweak some of the wording so it doesn't go too far.

2:41

I've I've only been on it for about a day, but the large building that we can't get developed that we've been denied three times since 2014 is about 50.

2:51

This as written, and Mr.

2:52

Carroll is great.

2:54

We talked for 20 minutes yesterday.

2:56

He went through line by line and and kind of got me on the right track for some of the things that I was reading.

3:02

But my quick read is our initial outlay, it'd be a thousand or fifteen hundred for the registration.

3:09

It'd be uh the insurance is like three to four thousand.

3:13

This is every year.

3:14

The fire monitoring is about ten thousand.

3:18

That's so that's initial.

3:20

The electrical, once there's a comment in there about and and this goes to could I please humbly suggest some language?

3:30

That this is this is all I'm asking for in this whole thing because some of them, when you take them out into how they can be interpreted, uh it can get expensive quick.

3:41

So we we we're looking at 15,000 on one building every year.

3:44

No, I'm sorry, initial, and then about six to seven thousand.

3:48

That's for a 10,000 square foot building.

3:50

I love the idea of registering.

3:53

Um it uh if that and then and then kind of jumping aside.

3:57

One of the buildings, two of the buildings we have are from the Hoffman fire.

4:01

Uh, we purchased them after the fire.

4:03

They did substantial damage to our building, and uh and I could be would be happy to speak on anything about that, but I don't think anything in here would actually have prevented it because uh poor Mr.

4:20

Hoffman had been deceased and the estate wasn't really actively managing the property, so they had more property than they knew what to do with the city had put uh they had done everything regulatory that they could do, and then it uh it it just wasn't the enforcement was the city was taken over, taking charge of the building.

4:41

There's a big hole in the back.

4:42

I have a picture of it because we we commented on it for five years, and uh great.

4:47

I didn't bring it.

4:48

I'll show it when I leave.

4:49

But but uh it was a hole that was never covered, and apparently a vagrant got in and caught it on fire.

4:55

And there's nothing in here that would ever prevent that from happening.

5:00

So I'd love to get a chance to just suggest some language to tone down some of the the total costs that because I can quickly get to what these costs are, and then I'm I'm all for the registration.

5:11

Uh excuse me, question.

5:13

I really appreciate you coming down here.

5:15

Uh the number that you have on the monitoring for the fire alarm, $10,000, uh, is that per year?

5:23

No, no, that's the initial that includes there, there's language in there that says, and and if it relies on, I'm paraphrasing relies on electrical, then the electrical must meet mobile code.

5:35

That would involve a lot of people have maybe five 10-year-old panels, which we do because we have it, and and by the way, and Mr.

5:43

Carol and I talked about this.

5:45

If if you're a developer trying to get a tax credit, it's there's a requirement that you have to spend all this money in five years.

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Summary of Proceedings

Mobile Administrative Services Committee Discusses Vacant Structure Registry Ordinance - September 30, 2025

The Administrative Services Committee of the Mobile City Council met on September 30, 2025, at 6:02 PM to continue discussion on the proposed Vacant Structure Registry ordinance for downtown Mobile. The meeting focused on addressing concerns from property owners and refining the ordinance's language, particularly regarding fire monitoring requirements, fee schedules, and exemptions for active renovations. The committee heard testimony from a local property owner and debated several amendments.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Mr. Townsend, a licensed unlimited general contractor with properties in downtown Mobile, expressed general support for the registry concept but raised concerns about high costs. He estimated initial costs of $10,000 for fire monitoring, $3-4,000 for insurance, and a graduated registration fee of $1,500-$3,500. He suggested a rebate for successful development and asked for language allowing a schedule of progress (as in nuisance abatement) to avoid penalties during planning phases.

Discussion Items

  • Fire Monitoring and Electrical Requirements: The committee discussed clarifying that a temporary power pole or solar/battery system could suffice to power fire monitoring, without requiring a full building electrical upgrade. Fire Chief and code officials confirmed this interpretation.
  • Exemptions for Active Development: Mr. McNair noted that Section C of the ordinance already provides exemptions for buildings under active renovation, with an 18-month window after acquisition, and discretion for code enforcement to extend based on written documentation.
  • Fee Schedule and Comparisons: Council members questioned the fee schedule, comparing it to other cities like Charleston, Birmingham, and Shreveport. The administration stated the fees are among the most lenient, and that a dedicated fund from fees would support rehabilitation grants.
  • Neighborhood Blight: Councilmembers Small and Gregory emphasized the need for similar enforcement in residential neighborhoods. The administration noted that new budget additions include two more enforcement officers and upcoming ordinances for debris and weeds.

Key Outcomes

  • The committee agreed to amend the ordinance language to specify that the power source for fire monitoring must comply with code, but allowed options like temporary poles or solar/battery systems.
  • The committee discussed adding a formal requirement for property owners to submit a schedule of progress, similar to nuisance abatement, to avoid penalties while actively planning development.
  • No formal vote was taken; the meeting concluded with consensus on several amendments and a plan to present a revised ordinance to the full council.

Note: The meeting was a committee session, and no final adoption occurred.

Meeting Transcript

If we can let's call to order the administrative services committee uh for the city to address uh the ordinance that we have before us and I forgot a number already, uh, but it's called the vacant strike structure registry, which we've met on once before. Uh there seemed to be some still questions after the last council meeting and council pre-council meeting where we were kind of looking over this, and we decided to come back to committee to look at a few things. Uh I'd like to pick up where we left off. Uh, but before we do that, I've had several questions and several people called me over the last five days asking bunches of questions about this, but I've had two property owners who've called who had very big questions about this. So I said today that I'll allow five minutes for the property owner to address us before we actually got started. Uh Ms. Mr. Townsend is sitting in the back back here. And if uh you'd like to come to the podium and discuss some possible issues that you may have uh with the council before we actually get through this. Some of the things I think we've already addressed, but it'd be nice if they could hear from you. Please take the podium up there and hit the mic and talk to us about your concerns. Yeah, thanks. Thanks a bunch. I didn't know I'd get to go first. So this is great. Um, I'm I'm a property uh licensed unlimited general contractor in Alabama. I've got two properties in downtown mobile, uh, five total in the Broad Street loop. Two uh everybody's happy about they're developed out. They uh one was uh developed in 2003, it's 459 Dolphin Street. It's a uh historic tax credit project, it's fully rented, it's doing great. The other is a lot, and then there's three buildings that are tied up. One is a regulatory issue, the building's too big, it's also in downtown mobile. We we're caught in the uh the if you have over 99 occupancy, you have to go before the planning commission. We've tried three times, and and really to kind of back up, I think it's a great idea, my personal opinion, to have a registry for vacant buildings and hold people accountable, if that's the right word, but at least uh a little bit of additional pressures. There's a cost to mobile, there's a cost to the citizens that these buildings aren't being developed out, and then it's like how to tweak some of the wording so it doesn't go too far. I've I've only been on it for about a day, but the large building that we can't get developed that we've been denied three times since 2014 is about 50. This as written, and Mr. Carroll is great. We talked for 20 minutes yesterday. He went through line by line and and kind of got me on the right track for some of the things that I was reading. But my quick read is our initial outlay, it'd be a thousand or fifteen hundred for the registration. It'd be uh the insurance is like three to four thousand. This is every year. The fire monitoring is about ten thousand. That's so that's initial. The electrical, once there's a comment in there about and and this goes to could I please humbly suggest some language? That this is this is all I'm asking for in this whole thing because some of them, when you take them out into how they can be interpreted, uh it can get expensive quick. So we we we're looking at 15,000 on one building every year. No, I'm sorry, initial, and then about six to seven thousand. That's for a 10,000 square foot building. I love the idea of registering. Um it uh if that and then and then kind of jumping aside. One of the buildings, two of the buildings we have are from the Hoffman fire. Uh, we purchased them after the fire. They did substantial damage to our building, and uh and I could be would be happy to speak on anything about that, but I don't think anything in here would actually have prevented it because uh poor Mr. Hoffman had been deceased and the estate wasn't really actively managing the property, so they had more property than they knew what to do with the city had put uh they had done everything regulatory that they could do, and then it uh it it just wasn't the enforcement was the city was taken over, taking charge of the building. There's a big hole in the back. I have a picture of it because we we commented on it for five years, and uh great. I didn't bring it. I'll show it when I leave.

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