I'll call the meeting order.

Typically our meetings are shorter than three minutes, so maybe we can beat him before he gets here.

Do you have a roll call?

Yeah, my guy covered.

Okay, perfect.

Uh, did everybody get a chance to look at the meeting minutes from last meeting?

Are there any corrections or concerns?

Hearing none, we'll move on to our items of business.

Our first item was uh Scott Thompson's uh light application.

He actually withdrew his thing, so we don't need to talk about that anymore.

Uh did he say why, or is he gonna bring it back up?

Well, um, I only spoke with uh the contractor he was working with, Nick with six-point services, and he said that from my gathering they just thought it would be very difficult, and they didn't didn't want to spend the time and energy trying to work through anything essentially.

So he didn't give me a whole lot of details, he just made it seem like when he received the memo that administrator Rundy sent emailed him earlier last week towards the end of the week.

Kind of read through, and I guess he didn't want to continue on after reading that.

So it does kind of bring up a uh discussion topic, and unfortunately I wasn't able to attend the last meeting, but I did read through the notes from last meeting that there was some discussion, and we kind of tabled it to come up with a better idea or plan of how we want to address multicolored lights.

Um, if I read the notes correctly.

Um I don't know if you guys want to take the time now to talk about that, or if you guys had ideas between you know, last time we met to now, what your thoughts are on that.

I I think we were also hoping to get more of a game plan from them, um, because kind of how it was presented was just like carte blanche and so um better defined from the applicant, but it did seem like uh potentially a can of worms.

Um I did read it somewhere, um maybe it was in the recommendations from last meeting.

Um that a lot of historic districts don't allow colored lights at all, they just allow tones of white lights.

Um to me that makes sense.

Uh there is like the caveat of around holiday times, people want to put up multicolored Christmas lights, things like that, which I think in the historic district probably could be permitted as long as it's a temporary type thing.

I don't know if you put a two-month rule on that, or maybe it follows the same rules that our temporary signage does.

I don't I forget what the date for that is or the timeline for that is.

Okay, yeah.

Um, and that makes sense.

If somebody wants to put up colored Christmas lights around their audience, whatever, great.

Um, but as long as it's not permanent.

Um I I guess the argument could be too where let's just pick on Scott's application.

If he said, well, those lights are up, but I'm only gonna turn them on for 90 days.

Is it you know, how does that fall in in the realm of things, and then also how bright are they?

You know, uh a string of Christmas lights are not as bright as permanently installed, you know, puck LED style type lights.

Um I don't know.

I don't know if we'll come up with an answer today.

Uh, but it's it's probably something we should get cleared up at some point because I have a feeling there's gonna be more applications.

Highly customizable.

You can dim, you can change colors, you can you know, obviously make them flash, do whatever you want.

They're totally programmable.

So just as a consideration, if somebody did want to do the white lights, it isn't that they need to be that intense, you know, 5,000 KW look or whatever, they they can be dimmed down.

So I think the only thing with that is it becomes a policing issue, sure, not by the police, probably you uh more than likely.

And so that'd be my only hesitation.

I agree.

I will say in a lot of communities we are seeing a lot of permanent lights go in in certain areas, but often it's like the outline of the square you know, like we've talked about above the square.

Right.

And if there are any building highlight lighting components, they're either white or they are on the courthouse or a prominent government building.

Um that is an icon rather than um what I would refer to as fabric buildings around the the square that are all kind of supposed to be not one, but they're not supposed to stand out in the same way.

So I don't know how to put all of that into regulation, but yeah, and I guess that was one of my questions too, is like how much light is allowable.

Like um, it looked on Scott's application like every uh I don't know, every six feet he had lights on the buildings like at some point it just becomes obnoxious.

Like at some point it just becomes obnoxious.

Yeah, this isn't like the Vegas strip, it's a historic downtown district.

Um and I again I don't know if that can be spelled out in the guidelines as well.

It actually already is the extra lighting standards.

Perfect.

It's a half a foot candle measured at the at the edge of the property.

So we do have that in part of the code already.

And a half a foot candle, can you just tell me what that means?

A half a foot candle isn't very bright.

It doesn't take much to exceed that, especially when you're in the in our case, the property lines around the square are actually the faces of most of the buildings.

It's not the s you know, the sidewalks part of the right-of-way in front of all of them.

So if you're standing right next to potentially, you know, the LED lights with a uh foot candle meter, it wouldn't take much to trigger that.