Go ahead and call the meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone.

Um, let's see.

Lisa, do you want to go over public participation, please?

Sure.

Um, I'll start with um roll call first.

Okay, sure.

Okay.

Uh Rick Altinger.

Here.

Justin Ching.

Here.

Carol Trabajian.

Rick Hoyer?

Here.

Perfect.

Okay.

Uh we asked that attendees in council chambers keep phones and devices muted to prevent audio interference.

Oh, I do.

Can you hear me?

No.

Okay.

I'll speak into the microphone.

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Thank you.

Thank you.

Item one on the agenda is approval of our minutes from July 21st, 2025.

Unless there are any questions or concerns, I'd be looking for a motion to approve those, please.

Uh it has me as being present.

Uh would have been impossible for me to be present.

I wasn't in the country.

And as much as I enjoy these meetings, I was not gonna fly in just for the meeting.

We'll correct that.

Good catch, Rick.

Yeah, it has uh it has you absent on the votes, but present in the meeting.

Hiding during the vote.

Right.

Oh yeah.

All right, so we have one correction to the minutes.

Uh anything else?

I get a motion to approve as corrected.

So we'll second.

Thank you.

Uh roll call vote, please.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Chang?

Yes.

Carol Trabajian?

Yes.

Rick Hoyer.

Abstain.

All right.

Motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Item two, we will review unaudited expenditures from July first, 2024 through June 30th, 2025.

Rafaela.

Good morning.

Okay.

Okay, so for the next packet item, I'm going to skip the summary pages.

We'll go over those and the next items.

Can you hear me?

I can't.

Okay.

Better.

Better.

Okay.

Thank you.

So I'm gonna start with the first page.

Um stor storm drains from these are for the entire fiscal year of 2425 starting July 1, 2024, ending June 30, 2025.

Four source storm drains.

Um we had 594, 544 and some change for our vendors.

We had an additional 39,490 and 95 cents for our staff members.

We spent in a um a total for storm drains of 634,000, 35 and 35 cents.

Moving on to our sidewalks for the same fiscal year, 427,658 dollars and ninety-eight cents.

Um, for staff, 13,206 dollars and one cents a total for sidewalk 440, 864 and 99 cents.

Can we move on to pavements?

Payments we spend five million six hundred sixty three thousand nine hundred sixty and fifty-six cents for our vendors for our um staff three an additional three hundred and sixty-three thousand nine seventy-two and thirty-five cents for a total of six million twenty-seven thousand nine hundred thirty-two and ninety-one cents.

And our ADA we spent two million eight hundred and seventy-six thousand two seventy-two and sixty cents for our staff labor, an additional two hundred thirty-three thousand four sixty and seventy-three cents for total of three million one hundred nine thousand seven thirty-three and thirty-three cents.

Those are the expenditures for the fiscal year uh beginning July 1, 2025, 2024 ending in 630, 2025.

Questions?

Engineers here for the So far, so good.

So okay.

Yeah, actually.

Thank you for that.

Uh just out of curiosity on storm drains.

I see that there are uh a number of fairly small expenditures on the VS Baranza storm drain.

Does that mean that uh things are happening there?

Non.

Yes.

Uh so yes, good question.

Things are happening behind the scenes.

I know it looks like no activity, but we've been stuck in permitting land for the last two years, and I think we finally have a design that has um a path forward.

The statewater resources control board wouldn't acknowledge that they were happy with the design, but they said you know, they think they would actually support it and approve it.

So we're on the right track after two years of kind of uh trying to work through the different regulating agencies.

Good to know.

Thank you.

Sure.

What are report fees for still ad?

Uh title report.

So we were looking to see if we had an easement with the adjacent property because it looks like part of the drainage channel encroaches into private property.

So we weren't sure if we had an easement, so we pulled the title report to see if there was any easements on that property.

What happened?

There's not.

So if we had to squeeze our design to kind of fit within the existing right-of-way.

Okay.

Um I I know I've asked this before, and I apologize for asking again.

Uh, can you refresh my memory when we see under pavement um citywide road rehab uh road surface?

What how do we interpret that?

What should we expect that to be?

It's so the the back theater package.

I know, I know.

Uh, and we've actually been trying to rebrand it.

So at least it's consistent with a year, a year when we're doing repaving projects.

Uh, but if you go to the back of your packet, there should be a list of all the the city streets.

In that table, there should be the the citywide project.

So you can see what street segment went with what's uh it's uh under the its own category of citywide or uh no, so that there's like a full list.

I think it's 18 pages.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's called citywide.

I I think years before my time for I don't know, whatever reasons they packaged them as citywide projects.

Uh, I think it was for sequel clearance considerations.

So it has street segments all throughout the city, uh, but it gave us sequel coverage if there was maybe some movement.

Uh so I know it's not easy to interpret, but if you go to the back of your packet, there's that 18-page table that should be able to pair what street segment went with what project.

So it's actually citywide is used here, is it could be street segments anywhere in the city, correct?

As opposed to citywide when it's used for NCIP refers to projects that have as that are not specific to enabler.

Correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

There we go.

All right.

And question.

Go ahead, Carol.

What is Witson?

Wouldson is an engine.

Yeah, they're an engineering firm.

Um they have a what is on fall mean?

On call, so uh procurement method for hiring uh professional services is you can set up on-call contracts rather than doing an RFP for specific projects.

You do a programmatic RFP saying here we want to solicit on-call services for say engineering design, as in Woodson's case.

And that way you don't have to do an RFP every time you need an engineering task.

You've already done the qualification-based selection process, and that's usually good from like three to five years.

So whenever we need design support, and we don't want to go through a month's long process of putting together for something small.

Yeah.

Yeah, as well.

Like, what are they waiting for?

Storm drainage rupture or something.

No, no, it's yeah, it's professional services kind of on demand.

It's when we a task comes up, we can call give them a call and put together a work order rather than doing a longer RFP process.

Okay, and then finally, for me anyway.

Um, and again, I know we've addressed this in the past, it stood out to me again uh on uh in each category, you know, street sidewalks, et cetera.

Uh on the city staff uh expenditures, lab overhead is often, if not always the largest expenditure there uh um and sometimes by far.

Uh please remind me uh what is included in lab overhead and and how that is that computed as just a percentage of something else, or or is it an itemized uh category?

I'm gonna look to finance.

Would you be able to better answer that one?

Sorry, labor overhead.

So we have um four projects.

Well, actually, citywide, we have for labor and benefits.

So it's just labor and benefits.

There is a calculation um based on positions.

Um, and also um was the positions and is also um union representation is what your benefits categories are.

So there is a basic calculation for each position as what the um the benefits are.

So the lab is like basically your hourly salary in your um benefits calculations.

It's dependent upon the individuals calculated with each line I have.

So when you have Rich Deal, who's a retired city employee being brought back.

I'm assuming there's not same level of benefits aside to him as when he was working.

Well, he would be if he's brought back, he would be a retired intuitive, so he doesn't have any benefits.

And he's noted as retired in New It, so it's good.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Anything else on item two expenditures?

I have a question.

Yes.

And under um sidewalks.

What is schools, sidewalk repair?

What schools?

Oh, I know what that one was.

So that was a work order for precision concrete slicing.

Uh, you probably noticed sidewalk slicings around town where we were just cutting uplifts.

One of the work orders was within 500 feet around schools to mobilize, inspect and slice any sidewalks that were our responsibility.

It wasn't at a school, but it was nearly wasn't in a school, it was uh 500 feet um around the school.

That's been saying school report.

Um that's that's how we labeled that work order.

So that work order was uh school.

No, I think there's another one that's probably labeled parks and another one that's labeled city facilities.

So those were the three um kind of locations that we targeted for um the first set of sidewalk repairs.

And then underpaid, what are impact omega posts and turn bases?

I know what those are too.

Uh so at the lighthouse curve, right as you're coming in from New Monterey into the tunnel, there's these kind of uh flexible posts that restrict people from turning left or make a U-turn on light host.

That's them.

Okay, right.

All right.

If there's nothing else, be looking for uh a motion to accept the expenditure report.

Why are we being charged for an interim under pavement and um ADA?

I think that is.

Ah, because they were working on ADA profit uh projects.

We actually had a couple of summer interns uh this season, and we utilized some of their services to go out and inspect ADA ramps, uh specifically some that had just recently been completed, so we could update our GIS inventory.

So the interns were working on the ADA tasks and they were charging to that account.

I do remember about six months ago, uh Nat gave a presentation about broad-based ADA expenditures and uh some of the interns were there, I think.

So those are paid interns.

Yes, yeah, we pay our interns.

And that's not paid that much, but it's not uh it's a lot more than I was making when I was an intern.

Yeah, but they but they're not getting benefits, so at least you're shut up.

I'm stunned that they pay interns now.

They were like, you just work, you don't get price, you get experience, right?

My first job was an unpaid internship, and I remember that vividly.

Yes, good for you.

Good luck finding a paid internship these days in the private sector.

All right.

Can I get a motion to approve or to accept the expenditures report?

So moved.

Second.

Any discussion?

Uh a vote, please.

Yes.

Justin Cheng?

Yes.

Carol Trabajian require.

Yes.

Thank you.

Motion carries, thank you.

Item three, review unaudited periodic report from July 1st, 2024 through June 30th, 2025, Rafaela.

Okay.

So start with our revenues.

Um, from inception, um, when we first started measure PNS through June 30, um, 2025, we've had total tax revenue of 105 million, 555,742.

We've had interest of 2.1 million and the other revenue, 325,000.

So we've had a total of 108 million and some change over the last um several years.

For our expenditures, um we've spent in total 5.7 million and storm drains, 7.2 in sidewalks, 59.9 million in pavements, and ADA 14.7 um for a total of 87 million spent with the remaining um balance of 20 million um 1995 as of June 30, 2025.

And our projects continue to go on, as you know.

Um so the back of the page shows you the year-to-year comparison.

Um from each year, so I'll just say from 2024 through 2025, there's an increase of 593,000.

So there's a five percent increase in the revenues from that from one year to the other um interest increase of 19%.

So an overall um total interest the entire time of three percent.

So the 5% is a good look because it means that annually that our sales tax is increasing, so that 5% growth is it's great.

Um we remember that when we go to renew measure PNS, just a little plug.

Um, and then our expenditures.

Um over the years, um 2024 to 2025.

Okay, we spreed.

So we spent 1.5 million um in 2024 and 634 and 2025, but um 440,000 on sidewalks, six million in pavements, and 3.1 and um ADA.

So those percentages with the exception of ADA um went down from the previous year.

So it just shows for I'm looking at it.

We spend more time working on ADA projects, projects in 2025.

So is that the uh that's the reasoning uh that uh expenditures went down, fewer projects in in the other uh three categories is because the focus was on ADA this year, or were there other reasons as well?

Andrew I can fix it.

So uh we just had a year where we were having a construction, and then as things slow down or as construction wraps up and we find ourselves more into design and planning, the expenditures will slow down.

So we're also really shorthanded on engineers.

Uh I have probably two engineers, a senior and an associate that are more or less almost well, not almost full-time, but probably two-thirds working on measure PS projects.

Uh, but we have another senior that's full NCIP.

We have another project manager that's kind of full environmental regulations utilities.

We're just spread thin.

And so I do expect us to kind of slow down until we're fully staffed up and able to kind of hammer out projects at the same rate we were.

So the expenditure, the ADA expenditure then is mostly in planning.

No, no.

The expenditures uh it they slow down when we're in planning and design.

It doesn't cost as much when we're in construction.

That's when the cash is really flowing.

Uh uh, that's really where the most of the expenses are.

So we have kind of projects that are in planning.

We have projects that are in design, and we have a couple of projects in construction right now.

So Franklin, the ADA improvements uh downtown at the Franklin, Washington, and Franklin.

Why am I spacing?

It's not Frank.

Uh big uh Tyler, thank you.

The two signals down there.

Um, so that's under construction.

So right now, in the next report, you'll probably see heavy ADA expenses because that's a construction project.

Uh, but we don't have any pavement projects going on right now.

So the eight, like the ADA, if if it's a sidewalk project that is for ADA compliance, it falls under ADA rather than sidewalks.

No, uh it that would probably be a sidewalks project, is how that would be accounted for.

If it's a curb ramp or if it's the push buttons or anything associated with the the traffic signal ADA improvements, that would be under the ADA count.

If it's the sidewalk, if it's not a ramp, even if it's a non-compliance slope, that would probably be categorized as a sidewalk project.

Does it seem to me like ADA expenditure or very little most of that stuff to me is sidewalks and curb ramps?

The signals are quite pricey.

I think if you look at all the ADA projects, the signals are the ones that are going to cost the most.

Okay.

Anything else from uh from the committee?

Well, that also includes fixing ADA ramps that were fixed five or 10 years ago to meet standards, but then they changed the standards, so we have to change them again.

That's correct.

Yeah, the ADA.

The the grooves that were once the standard for the ramp landing went out of compliance about a decade ago, and the domes are now the the standard, and I hear word that that might switch again.

When you're you have about halfway through upgrading from the last uh in the standards update.

Yeah, sure.

Okay.

Uh nothing else.

Uh can we get a motion to uh uh approve or receive uh the periodic report?

So move second.

Any discussion?

Vote please.

No, I have no public comments.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, I see.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Chen?

Yes.

Carol Shrabajian?

Yes.

Rick Hoyer?

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Motion carries item four review unaudited expenditures from July 1st, 25 through September 30th, 2025.

Okay, now we're into this fiscal year.

All right.

So um skipping on to the actual details pages.

So measure P for the storm drains for the first quarter of the year spent 93,313 and eight cents.

We have for our labor and benefits 17,267 for a total of 110,580 and 66 cents for the storm drains for our sidewalks.

We spent 106,438 and 20 cents, our labor and benefits for staff, 3,189.94 cents for total 109,628 and 14 cents.

For the first quarter, and lastly, our ADA, um, 209,380 and five cents for our vendors and 71,528 and 82 cents for our um staff total of 280,908 and 87 cents for the first quarter.

I'll relay over to engineering if you have questions on the expenses.

I have a number of questions.

Uh go ahead.

Rick on pavement, uh cannery row garage.

Is that in the garage?

Is it approaches to the garage or what?

Um that's a location of the um of the work order with them.

Um we're called that cannery row garage, um, structural control measures.

It's gonna be um a stormwater treatment system to offset some of the planned pavement rehabilitation um in lower new Monterey in the same watershed.

So it's the project title um of a potential opportunity.

It's in the right of way, um, but it's in front of the Wave Street garage, really.

So it's in front of the garage on the regular street, not in the garage or anyway.

Because if we're in the garage, you could be using parking funds to pay for it.

No, it's gonna be in the right of way.

Now it's moving potentially on the rec trail, might be the opportunity site to treat um stormwater.

Uh next question is uh I get it that we're paying interns.

Why are we paying them 21 dollars an hour when minimum wage is 1650?

I think the intern rates are are set in the position controlless, is my understanding.

Um, I don't know if we have much control over what they make.

Um, I think those are the council approved rates.

So we need to address it with the council since we have a council that's trying to find ways to save money.

There's a potential place to do it.

No, let me double check that because um the rates are not in the PCL, the rates are in the salary schedules, and usually for um interns is a little different.

Sometimes we'll have um some interns that are that we're being paid by other agencies to actually take their students and actually pay for those rates.

So they could be some of those things that are funded funded that way.

Except we're having interns being paid by the bond being paid $21 an hour.

And minimum wage is $16.50.

On top of it, uh yeah, the whole idea of paying interns in today's, you know, the way it works today is a question and of itself, but we're not even paying them in minimum wage.

When I worked and had a paid internship, it was minimum wage.

Okay, and let me double check that because then there's also the California minimum wage is digital.

Which is $16.50.

I looked it up.

Okay.

And also the unless you're fast food worker, then it's $20.

Right.

But these are fast food workers.

That's very true.

Um, so let me look up in it's the wages that we pay are typically in well, most of them they're in the salary schedule, which is online.

So let me double check that.

Um, I don't set any, we don't set any um you get too linear 20%.

No, I I mean you you're doing what is in a thing somewhere, but what I would like to know is where that exists and then who can change it.

We're in a mode where we have a structural deficit, we have to save money.

It's not a huge amount, but I mean, first of all, why are we paying them?

But second of all, if we're paying them, why aren't we doing minimum wage?

Is my question.

I don't know.

We need to do every place we can to figure out where we can save money.

And what we used to do in the past doesn't cut it anymore.

But I don't know that I know of any unpaid internships anymore.

They just don't do I mean and I can tell you that um with with the hospitality association, the interns to 17 culinary interns that we placed in the summer, uh last this past summer were uh at least $20 an hour.

Yeah, I I was gonna say too, I I certainly get your point, Rick, and and don't disagree with it at all.

Government being paid.

What private sector wants to do out of its own budget prior, yeah, bottom line is different animal.

And and what I would say though is is that it's very possible.

I don't know this for sure, it's very possible that uh the intern uh uh environment is is just as competitive as many others right now.

And it's you know it's a it's a relative issue.

If I may just add one thing just for consideration, we can look into how that rate was established.

Those interns offset hours that would have been performed by an attack or an assistant.

So I I will say whether it was you know sixteen fifty or twenty-one dollars an hour, there's still a return on investment for having interns come on for these.

Better than 80.

Don't get me wrong.

I love the concept of the city utilizing interns to expand its workforce.

Right.

That makes sense, but at the same time, we need to look at what we pay for everything, right?

And can we get them at $16.50?

And that will be offsetting even more of what we'd be paying someone else.

Right.

Understood.

We can look into how that rate was established.

I'll just make a brief comment that uh I think the value proposition is good, even at the current price point.

Uh I respect for export.

It's just yeah, I mean, just based on I think value proposition is good, but we're broke.

Oh, here we go.

Yeah, so we can't afford to pay Cadillac when a Buick would work.

I hear anything else from the committee.

No, any public comment, Lisa.

Public comment what other question too.

Uh on pavement.

No, no, it's not on payment on ADA.

Granted, it's eight dollars and sixty-two cents, but why are we using basic you know, tax money to buy a laptop adapter?

It's under 80A.

I mean, I guess the city is that broke, it doesn't have funds, but any office supplies account in public works to spend eight dollars and sixty-two cents for a laptop adapter for an intern.

So any opinions on that's a good catch.

At least you order it from Amazon.

No, no, they've got a good price.

A good catch.

Uh we can look into who did that expenditure and maybe do an adjustment later if that wasn't eligible.

Okay.

Yeah, it's just that you know, it's okay.

And just so you don't know, I'm I'm consistent on MPC.

I was having a hard time with spending 30 year money to buy pipettes for the chemistry lab.

But we can always come back.

But that's equipment.

Oh, it's technically covered.

This is not ADA.

All right.

Can I get a motion to accept the uh unaudit expenser expenditure report, please?

I'll move a move.

We accept it without the eight dollars and sixty-two cent charge.

And then any discussion.

No discussion.

Uh vote, please, Lisa.

Rick Altinger.

Yes.

Justin Chang.

Yes.

Carol Trebagian.

Yes.

Rick Hoyer.

Yes.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Item five, review unaudited periodic report from July 1st, 25 through September 30th, 25, Rafaela.

Okay.

So at first um first quarter revenues.

We received 965 and 70, 965,789 in tax revenue and interest, we've um received 115,580.

So for the first quarter, 1 million 81,389, 369.

Expenditures for the first quarter, storm drains, 110,581 sidewalks 109, 628, 155,172 for pavement ADA, 280,909 for total expenditures for the first quarter, 656, 290.

So we have an increase of um in our fund balance of 425,079 for the for the first quarter.

Our year over year, year over year comparison at 930 um each year.

So from 2425, it's about the same as far as revenues, 968,000 and 24, 965,000 and 25.

Um interests is up.

We had 61,696 interest in 2024 has gone up to this year, 115,580, which is an 87% increase.

Um expenditures for this quarter compared to the same time last year.

32,000 point eight for storm drains, 110,000 for um storm drains, first quarter 25.

Sidewalk 70,000, 109,000 this quarter, pavements last year, 790,000, 155,000 this year's um an ADA, 98,000 last year, 280,000 um this fiscal year.

Um so that decrease overall is about 34%.

So don't questions or comment from the committee.

Thank you, Rafaela.

Any public comment on item five?

No public comment.

Uh a motion, please.

So moved.

And that would be to accept the periodic report for July 1st through September 20.

Yes, please.

September 30th.

Second.

Motion and second, any discussion.

Vote, please.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Chang.

Yes.

Carol Trebagian.

Yes.

Rick Hoyer.

Yes.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Item six review street rehabilitation and reconstruction reports for 2025 set.

Um, you as part of the attachments to the agenda, you'll have the payment condition index.

Um, with what we call our last maintenance treatment um table and measure PS upcoming payment projects.

Um our current PCI is at an 80.

Uh it puts us in the 91st percentile of similar size agencies.

We have 84% of our 84% of our street segments are um in one are considered very good condition.

That's at above a 70 PCI.

Um, we recently completed the work on Hawthorne Road Rehabilitation phase five that included ADA and pavement rehab.

Um our planned work, we have two separate efforts on North Fremont.

We have work at um the city limit with Seaside.

Um that works gonna be with granite rock um construction.

Um they performed a similar work on Robertson Surf.

It's a full depth reclamation.

Um that'll be night work out there at Seaside City Limit.

Um, we're gonna work with Don Chapin on the Caltrans side on the west side of North Fremont.

Um that'll look a little bit abrupt.

We're stopping right at Caltrans.

Caltrans is fairly dilapidated too, but it's not our responsibility.

Um, so those two segments are um in the near future.

We expect those to happen next month.

And what are they doing?

Um well, we're gonna do pay, I mean pavement rehabilitation.

So on the seaside city limit, we're doing what's called full depth reclamation, where we mill up the entire uh pavement and subsection, mill it up, add cement to it to create a new base, uh, and then pave over the top of it.

So that has a really high traffic index.

It needs a pretty uh sturdy pavement design.

Um, so that's an exciting one.

And then on the other end on the Caltrans end, um, we're doing mostly um a trench repair.

Um, but then we're gonna come in and try to clean up um other deficiencies on that end.

Um that's work at night.

Um, the one at seaside will be at night.

The other one, it will be daytime work.

Um, so we're working with Caltrans on how to minimize impacts, and I think it'll just be one lane closure uh at a time.

I should go to work early and come home late.

Is that that?

We're gonna we really try to maintain public convenience during construction.

Um that'll catch attention, but yeah.

Um that that rehab is that that's that big truck that goes through and digs it up, and spits it out the back.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, well, it does it in place, so it'll we're going, I think 16 inches down to take all the asphalt, all the base section, maybe even a little bit of subgrade, and it just mills it all up right in place, lays it down, and then come back, they mill it again and do cement treatment.

They add water and cement to it.

Um that creates a really firm, stable base.

Um that's basically like uh uh almost the equivalent of a highway section out there.

Um so that'll we're excited.

It should be a pretty sort of short duration project.

I mean, really, they came in and did Robert Surf in a couple weeks.

We expect, I think we only gave them 15 working days.

Um so they'll come in and knock it out pretty quick.

That's good because it is funky where city limit ends and it's seaside, and it's kind of like then a great opportunity for some coordination because yeah, seaside looks great, and ours is in terrible condition.

So yeah, we're excited to get that one done.

Um other work in the queue.

We currently have um wave street, um curb ramps and pavement rehabilitation out to bid.

Um I think bids are due in several weeks.

That'll um I think there's 12 12 curb ramps um that are gonna be brought up to um current standards, and then we're rehabilitating the full corridor.

Um, I think we're stopping at Bruce Ayres, one that we're excited to get to, but it's a little further out is what David at Wave.

Uh if you've ever been over there, that needs some attention, but that's a little further away.

But that's a concrete street, isn't it?

Um no foam is foam is foam is uh yeah, and we're we're in a preliminary design on that'll probably end up being black topped um a little further down the road.

Okay.

Um wave is one of your worst condition ones.

Wave, yeah.

There's a couple segments of wave that have it's it's like a two over nothing, it's really an old uh insufficient street segment.

So uh that one that one has like the really black appearance, but it's it's in terrible shape.

So there's two segments that are getting like reconstructed down there, um, and then some patch and slurry.

Um also in the queue um is Cass Street, and that one is is asphalt over concrete.

Uh that's from we're going from um El Dorado up to Munras.

Um, so the upper segment of Cass.

There's concrete under there.

But it has asphalt on top of the side.

Yes, it does.

Yes, it does.

So that's complicated, but we're gonna come in there, upgrade the ramps and then uh do the pavement rehabilitation, and we're also doing El Dorado from Pacific to Munris.

Um, so those two segments are exciting.

Then we're we put together the preliminary list.

We're I mean, it's 90% there on the next citywide um resurfacing where we come in, we patch and then resurface with a slurry seal or microsurfacing.

Um, you'll notice that some of those were we're overdue.

I mean, it's been 10 years of measure P measure S.

Um, we're we're gonna hit some of the streets that were in this early, I think we call them street resurfacing one or something like that.

But um we're we're hitting a couple um Mark Thomas and Lower Ragsdale or larger segments, and then we're getting into residential um deer flats, fish flats, oak grove, uh, Monterey Vista.

Um so we're excited uh that'll be a spring, probably spring project by the time we bid it.

So I I was I was noticing uh, you know, uh a number of the uh the streets with uh PCI below 70 are just what you said they were slurry sealed nine, 10 years ago.

And I you know, are are we still is is uh another code of slurry seals still appropriate for those, or or if we would gone too long.

Great question.

Each one needs some uh uh they all need close attention.

I mean, once you start patching and slurrying, you can only do it so many times before you need to remove the asphalt section um and replace it.

So I mean, some of the segments once you patch and slurry it once it kind of puts it on a path to do it several times.

Um but there are candidates for what we call mill and fill, where which is replace the whole asphalt segment.

You'll do some localized like base repairs, but um yeah, they're due.

The best candidate that I'm not looking forward to doing again, but Pacific Street is one that's been patched and slurried, patch and slurried, patch and slurried where you look at the curbs and the instead of six-inch curbs, we now have two or three inch curbs, and you can't just keep patching and slurrying it.

Um got no curb left, and you'll have no curb left, and then at some point slurry over slurry over slurry, it doesn't adhere as well.

Um I'm like mine when I said that I it was in the beginning.

So 615 2015, but the uh PCI is still 85%.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and um we previously discussed exploring the county limits.

It was Aguajito, Johnson Canyon.

Um, we look closer at it.

We understand Aguajito is ours from Mark Thomas Sylvan to Holland, Jocelyn Canyon from uh again, Sylvan.

Oh, excuse me, Aguajito's Mark Thomas to Mon Holland, Jocelyn Canyon and Sylvan to Deer Forest.

Uh we I guess you would call it bad news.

We've we're looking a little closer.

We're gonna have surveyors take a close look.

Uh our database has a pretty small segment.

County shows a like a thousand more feet being in the city of Monterey.

Um, so we're gonna have a surveyor make a final determination on that because that's a pretty high dollar amount because that segment of road is gone and needs to be probably the FDR type of full reclamation.

Um so that's when we're looking a little closer at.

We're currently doing geotechnical exploration on Aguajito, Maw Holland, a little bit of garden road, and we'll hopefully get clarification on the exact limits of Mon Holland.

But so Alquajito up above Monholl and is county.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, we we show in ours on our database a pretty small segment in the vicinity of um of deer deer forest.

Um, but it looks like we might have a significant amount more.

And Mon Holland up by what is it?

Deer flats that street that goes in.

Is that ours?

There's a small segment that is ours.

Because there's a mess up there too.

It's a mess up there, yeah.

We're trying to get a payment recommendation um to how to cost effectively rehabilitate it.

Um, but in looking closer and looking at the county's GIS data, they show a long segment running back um as ours.

Um it was deeded to us.

It's uh it's it's an oddity.

Um and it might be bad news.

We don't want it, but I think it's ours.

Um, yeah, that's what I have.

You guys have any questions on um either table?

Um uh it's not on the table, but maybe this is the appropriate place to ask.

Uh the utility work that has been going on at the top of Munris.

Um, is that complete?

They need to do final trench restoration.

I think the it was uh a gas main uh that fell about a year after we did our project.

Um yeah, I think they're still pending trench restoration, so they'll have some pretty big pavement work and that was nearly big question.

Is this the final pavement project that yeah, they're not done.

Yeah, PB's been busy, yes, real shock busters there.

Yeah, there's another segment.

We rehabilitated Van Buren.

Um between I'm blanking, um, Delmonte and Scott Street.

Uh Caliam's had some um issues on an older main up there, and it turns out they're gonna need to replace their main under a recently rehabilitated street as well.

Excellent.

We try our best.

We have quarterly coordination meetings, and it's just how it goes sometimes.

Well pipes like to fail when they want to fail, they don't care about timing.

That's exactly right.

Usually holidays, right?

Fridays, Fridays or holidays.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Anything else from the committee?

No.

Any public comment, Lisa?

No public comment.

Uh, can I get a motion to accept the uh rehabilitation and reconstruction report for 2025, please?

So moved.

Second.

Any discussion?

Vote, please.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Chang.

Yes.

Carol Trabajian?

Yes.

Rick Hoyer.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Uh item seven, sales tax update for quarter one.

Rafaela.

Okay, so this is just information only is for um quarter one January through March of this year.

Now you guys get these about two months or two, yeah, two cycles behind, which is when we get them.

Um, so just showing what the quarterly fourth quarter um there was decrease for the actual city, Monterey 1.7% overall.

County was down 0.8%, state was down 1.1%.

Measure S, however, was up um 0.2%, and measure G, which is half of measure S is 0.4% was also up.

Um you can see the top 25 producers, of course, they're in um listed in alphabetical order because that's confidential information where they kind of rank.

Um just newsletter just to show you where we are.

Any questions, comments?

So the graph is not the quarter that the report is for.

The graph should be the quarter for the first quarter from January to March.

But it's saying Q4.

It does say Q4.

I just noticed that when I rate it.

I was going because I'd say, oh, we're we're up, but then the thing's saying we're down.

You know what?

Actually, if I'm looking at the legend on the side, it does say it's for Q4.

Um so the lighter green is Q4 of 2023, the darker green Q4 of 2024.

So the restaurants were up a little bit compared to 23.

General consumer about the same, slightly uh down.

Um county state pools slightly higher, fuel and um service stations about the same, business and industries down, food and drugs about the same, autos and transportation down, and then building and construction is about the same.

So you're correct, it is 24.

So just for clarification, then this what is written on this page is all accurate and correct.

Uh the overall report is for Q1 of 25, but the graph is for uh uh past quarter and year over here.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

We've always done it this way, or so this is not a report that we create.

This is created by HDO, our sales tax consultants.

Yeah, you might have them so that it's a little exactly what I was thinking.

Like if they do this too fast, and I just grab what was in the okay.

I will so next time we meet, I will have an answer to that to make sure that yeah.

They made it very, very confusing.

But I'm just nice to see it's up.

Uh and uh any other questions or comments?

Just a brief comment.

I think it I know that a lot of times we're talking about some concerns and constraints within the public sector, but I think we're seeing in the private sector that things are going well and things are growing.

So it's a testament to both city government that facilitates that and also the hospitality industry that works hard to make that happen.

So it's good news, I think.

Yeah.

Agree.

As long as that they recognize that things are proceeding well, and when there are deficits, they don't want to soak who they think is doing well to try and get extract more money that will in point of fact then blow up on them in reverse.

We can only we can only pay so much.

Yeah, and hospitality is getting already um maxed out to the point where again I look at rosines being in the top 25.

I don't know that I've ever said seen rosines, and that means that a lot of people were in lala grilled too.

Lala grill, yeah.

There were a lot of people in town eating, and that's good.

And we cannot afford to make rates, tax rates stuff to a point where people would say I'd rather go somewhere else.

Uh well, it it's the age old when you have a budget deficit, you have two ways of dealing with it.

You increase your revenue or you reduce your expenses.

Well eight years ago or so, they chose to increase revenue to solve the problem forever.

But when you keep increasing expenses over time, guess what?

You run out of money.

So maybe it's time to try reducing expenses to the degree because there's no appetite in the public for tax increases.

Except for one place, not in engineers.

Uh okay.

Uh Lisa, do we have any public comment on item seven?

No public comment.

And I'm I'm guessing we don't need a vote on this one.

Is that correct?

Do we need to accept this through a vote?

Uh I think we usually do, just receive.

Do we?

Okay.

Uh so unless there's anything else from the committee, uh uh a motion to accept the report as presented.

So moved.

Second.

Any discussion?

Vote, please, Lisa.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Chang?

Yes.

Carol Trabajian.

Yes.

Rick Hoyer.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Last item number eight, 2026 meeting dates.

And before we before we uh start that, um, I I just want to check in.

I have on my calendar still uh our annual review on December 2nd.

Is that still a good date?

It must be first Tuesday in December, the second.

Thank you.

Okay.

So is this you, Lisa?

I just could be actually January 20.

April 20.

Those all work for me, but except for July.

I'll be gone for July, August, and September again.

And the pro am is a week later, so that's okay if January is work will work for me.

Can you repeat those dates one more time?

Uh January.

April 20.

July.

October 19.

Sorry.

Um, I'll repeat that with the microphone on this time.

January 26th, April 20, July 20, October 19.

Okay.

Any other uh feedback on meeting dates for next year?

Okay.

Uh and are we going to vote on that as well, Lisa, to accept those?

Yes.

All right.

Uh looking for a motion to uh accept those dates as our 2026 meeting dates.

So moved.

Second.

Any discussion?

Any public comment?

No public comment.

Vote, please.

Rick Aldinger.

Yes.

Justin Ching?

Yes.

Carol Trabajian.

Yes.

Require.

Yes.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Thank you very much.

Any uh staff reports or additional staff reports or comments from staff.

Andrew.

You have one correction.

I got some information while we were sitting here.

The adapter that the intern purchased for the monitor is one of our interns who was doing work in the field.

We have a kind of a survey tool for they can get elevation.

So that was related to ADA work so that she could connect her laptop to the monitor and staying with that piece of equipment, not staying with the intern so that kind of disappears when the intern leaves.

Yeah, the interns back to school now.

So it's it's still with the piece of equipment.

Okay.

I don't know if that would require a corrective vote if you guys wanted to fix it or if you want to do it in the next uh meeting.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, I think we yeah, we can just accept that.

Yeah.

Thank you, Andrew.

I still question spending money for six spikes for anything else from staff.

All right.

Any uh committee member comments, uh any announcements.

Uh I would want to comment that I'm pleased to see that the um city council made a priority of putting uh the measure on the ballot next year.

Um, and that we were told, and I guess it is true, that as long as there is no change, and I guess that would be one question I would have.

No change, and you just need a 50% plus one vote.

Right.

But my question quick question is does that mean if no change in any way, shape, or form, it would be renewed at eight years again, or is it just the ballot?

Well, I guess that is in the ballot language, isn't it?

The number of years.

I I question that you can do a dedicated tax, whether it's a renewal or not at 50% plus one.

It is a dedicated tax.

My understanding regardless of renewal, same wording or anything else.

My understanding from the um consultants that we're working with, and also from our city attorney is that if it's it's 50 plus one, if there's the exact same language and you don't change it.

If we say we change one word, like from eight years to nine years, then it has to go back and has two-thirds.

Okay, I'll check with our attorneys because that's not our read of it.

Understand.

Okay.

I had heard that from the city manager and then from the mayor said the same thing.

No, from city attorney as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not that that again makes it right.

Yeah, but it's great to yeah, to get confirmation on that and understand how it works.

Yes.

So that it is that then we're committed then to another, which is fine.

Yeah, I don't, but we couldn't make any other changes in it.

Yeah, you can't change a single word according to that interpretation.

Which if we're gonna put it back on, that's the way it should be, but that would be my question is would that include the number of years as well?

It would be anyway.

Sounds like it.

Yeah, sounds like it.

Yeah, okay.

But like I said, I'll just let you know what we find.

Yeah, anything else from the committee.

Yeah, I'll just reiterate a brief comment that um I think based on the composition of our local economy.

Sales tax measures are a great way to find infrastructure.

So I'll reiterate that each time.

Thank you.

Yeah, and you uh agreed, uh, given the the fact that in no small part that our you know our visitors to the area pay a substantial portion of that sales status.

That's a that's a a big win for us.

I just want to make clear for all the public watching and listening.

Uh I'm the taxpayers represent here for those who may or may not know it.

Uh we supported the last two three ones because it was three quarters, because it was specific and all the rest.

So I would assume we would probably support it again.

My question more is being sticklers on when government tried to get around the 50% versus supermajority requirements, and it's attempted all the time.

Uh so I I said we'll check with our attorney and we'll see.

Uh I look forward to it.

And I don't think we'd have a problem getting it.

I think it was 75% or more last time.

So it was 70.

It was a first one was like 76, second was 82.

Yeah, it's one of the highest percentage approvals of any uh measure of its type in the state.

As long as we continue to show that it's working.

I think uh yeah, it's it's a safe bet.

Yep.

Which is again, if in advance of that, we've spoken about that.

Whatever kind of marketing we can do to show you know all the the good things that we're doing and why it's important that we keep doing it that so that the public gets it.

I don't know, in Kona where we had a lot of support that we're gonna get that support.

Yes.

Well, if you start adding it a whole lot of other measures on the ballot at the same time, you now run into issues.

Because I don't know by you all I got my property tax bill and the amount I'm paying for MPUSD is like don't get us started right now.

It's a beautiful apartment building they just thought.

Yeah.

I mean the landlord business is still teaching kids.

Anything else from the committee go to the order.

Uh seeing none, we'll go ahead and adjourn at 10 56.

Uh thank you all for for being part of this.