They can't start.

I can I can reference City Council's agenda package.

Right that says the budget has been approved.

So then you put in there and you say we expect 65,000, right?

So you put that into the budget annually.

And the revenues, the revenue is not the part, and not the I just mean the expenditure part, right?

That's where it's like, and it's trust.

So you put it into the trust fund because then if we don't expend that money, it rolls back.

Yeah.

And next year we built it back in.

Not use it or lose it within 12 months.

No, it goes right back into our cash account.

Does MC Gifts ever circle back to ask where it was spent or if it was spent?

That's in part of the application.

Okay.

So the application, like we were talking about like every year they're gonna ask us what do you do?

Would you do with what you do with your money?

Okay.

Yeah.

And what do you intend to do with the money you're going to get?

And that's where this year it was kind of the general description and everything.

So for our discussion, is it is it this last paragraph, but we figure out how to allocate percentage to youth programs and or are we looking for specific.

I I I thought on this one it would be a good idea for any kind of other projects or any other requests that have been on back burners or have not been brought forward in the times.

I know Kim and I have talked, you know, multiple times over time on collections and ebook collections.

And I don't think we have to have a hard percentage, because that's the and the nature of this, because it's more about we're gonna try to see where we can because I honestly I don't know how much that community room update's gonna cost.

But I will say, like other things, like the screen, it's a better screen.

And my goal on the community room is that we put in a plaque at some point as easier than because not everybody does a message.

And of community groups work the room also we have NCIP meetings in there, we have other group meetings that are in there.

And I think if you fund in there and you put on something on the entryway that says this, you know, renovations were made possible by yeah, by a state grant by made by don't that goes in there and that's very reasonably priced for us to do, but we could do that right in the entry, right?

And that's the best way to do something like that.

But I do feel that we would get in, we need to get some quotes about the community room because that affects just about all of us.

And Melissa knows, I mean, we'll also been doing movie movie days.

Put them on pause for now because it's just and because of that, it's that bad.

Yeah, we had a sound system, is that bad?

You can't play a feature, a long feature film.

It's just it does it disturbs the audience.

No, the oh yeah, that's and so we ran into that with teen movies, yeah.

And so we've run into that with speakers.

So there's something that's uh that's what I mean.

It could be something small, it could be something very large.

And that's why I don't want to get, but I but I feel like to me, that's one of the things that I was thinking like bringing out to here, which is that I think that's a priority priority, you know, is that we look at that as that's a priority for us to work on this funding.

What are other priorities which might be on there?

I do think that room we probably want to look at long term, it being like you've talked about in the past, used by other groups and used extended hours beyond library hours if we can seal it off and make that something that is a an all community room.

So part of this depends on honestly what NCIP does too, because if we get all the funding from NCIP, then that was in there, for example, so the room, and then we'd have discretionary to use it for other things, I think.

But I agree with with Bob also that you want the most visible stuff and the most visible stuff is gonna be in the community room, the amenities for people from all over the place.

Um the the other the other pieces um like things like author talks, that brings in a lot of people, I think it brings in a wider.

And it and it increases potentially your donor base, which then brings in more money, which then allows you to do yeah, so it's um yeah, I was just thinking the same thing that uh I'd say probably the majority, if not a almost 100% of the adult programs take place in the community room.

And you know, they're a guest speaker or a guest performer or something visual.

Um to show a movie, do you have to use the room speakers?

Yeah, you need the sound to be, it's not going to be loud enough just from a computer.

But you're lacking.

Because I remember when I was doing Medicare talks frequently, I would plug speakers into my laptop, and that's where the sound came out.

You could do that with like I mean, for discussions and brief, like I mean, that could work, but for like a middle room, it's not gonna work.

There's other pieces on there, which is also accessibility, which we have to think of.

Yes, and that's why it's tied in.

So the accessibility system is tied into all of the AV system, right?

And so if we were to use just speakers on our laptop, we have to make sure that they that's all accessible, right?

But it we so we we want to make sure that we've got that, and that's why we have to update that system.

Thinking about for next year, could we say when MC gives when the community foundation asks, well, what do you intend to spend the money that you get on?

And we have to fill out that form and give them a prediction, right?

What if we spent enough of the money so we could show them how this money that came in this month or last month?

How it really led to some very noticeable improvements, and then sort of massage that and into saying, and we want to continue the successful use or the essential use or something like that of the MC Gives money and have it be for general purposes again, but things like the sound system that you come to one of our programs, you'll be able to tell right away and so forth, and just sort of point out to them how smartly we use the 65,000, let's say that we get this year, and say then we want to continue to do that kind of improvements, um and provide them with examples if it's something we can do, you know, on paper or a video on a thumb jump drive, you know, and uh or make special invitations uh and include it in uh our sign our advertisements that you know you're coming to hear a speaker talk about travels to Ireland, and it's gonna be really uh you're gonna notice if you've been before, how much better our sound system is, thanks to all the donations again from people like you.

Um to monitor, I mean, just sort of thank them in a way of showing them how stuff has been used.

So I'm gonna respond to that, which is number one, we don't send in application.

Applications through the Friends and Foundation.

Well, yeah.

So just to say that whenever we do, we're going to work with the Friends of the Foundation, but they're the ultimate decider on what goes through.

And also that I think there's over 300 um agencies that applied.

Yeah.

And you have they have um changeover in the leadership of CFMC.

You know, their executive director is retiring, you know, their vice director, I believe, also just left.

So they've had a number of changes over there.

So I don't think they're looking at it oftentimes like the same way you would a form if they've got that they chose, I think 212 out of those 300 to move forward.

So I think whatever we do, do it within their parameters.

So do it like if they say um we wanted it in this way, but like having some of their their attendees like um going in there because um I don't I don't know if they I think they use the reporting mechanism more as a making sure that you're actually using the money part partially, you know, they're using it to do that.

I don't know if they're reviewing it the same, like yes, you're actively using it how we want.

I think they're just making sure that you are actively spending the money that people have donated to you for that cause.

So just to say that we want to make sure that we work um also with the friends and foundation throughout the process because it could be something next year where the friends of foundation are like, well, you know, we would love to have XYZ.

I mean, I gave them a number of different things.

I was gonna say they they they give it almost like a list to pick from the library staff.

We've done that before with the friend development team.

So we do it with the fund development team typically is how we've done it in the past.

If we go through, we have a team that meets, we go through staff, ask staff where the large projects we need, they come back and they say that's not that exciting.

Right.

Some of it is marketing, yeah.

So that you're appealing to the donors.

I'm appealing to a broader base.

And I will say there are donors that have called me in the past and said, like, I want to make the decision on what project you put forward.

And I've had to tell them, sorry, that's not that's not how it works.

Unfortunately, yeah.

Oh, another question budget question.

Can any of this money be used for staff in any way?

It is not recurring.

Um, I think if you put in there going back to the I'd have to look at the I'd have to look at the things that we have, we do have like some like trust fund budget because I think they've had some things in the past.

I could I'd have to verify their FAQs.

Okay, but I think sometimes they've had like pro, you know, typically if you have a project based running the finite non-recurring, yeah.

It's non-recurring.

But you're you're basically no have a regular staff.

You don't want to just say it's like we want to open Monday, extended hours, right?

Because that's a that's an ongoing service, is what they're saying.

They're looking at something that's a I need staffing to digitize 300 volumes.

Yeah, yeah.

That's more along the lines of staff.

You could use it for staff, I believe, on if it's very project-based.

Yeah, it has to be a very special addition to the staff and for a limited amount of time.

And MC Gives uh really likes to um emphasize youth.

Um, they look for specifically look for younger donors, people who learn to be givers in their 30s will always be.

Um, but also things that benefit youth.

So I think that they probably liked this digital access to ebooks and technology efforts.

I'm not sure that that popped up.

Yeah.

So I think in with having Melissa and Kim here checking if there was any additional thoughts you guys had regarding regarding projects you fund or either that or digital collections, you know, technology, what other kind of things are we?

Yeah, I mean, I the main thing that's come up for for me on staff has been the community room and just upgrading that space.

Um so that that's something that I think all staff would agree on that we want and need.

And I think a good emphasis would be to keep harping on the fact that it's a community room.

It's for yeah, not just for kids or just for adults or anything, but it really, and we could give examples of how it's being well used for a variety of segments of our population.

And aesthetically, it I could be much more welcoming if the entrance from the patio, um, that foyer area that's where stuff gets stacked.

Um if that were a CD, yeah, foo footed up.

Well, I think those are good.

So, yeah, I mean, those are kind of I just that's my initial thought was just bringing some of this up and just kind of getting it sense for all the trustees or anybody online, just essentially what kind of projects we are looking for, you know, in this kind of in this cycle.

And but that's what I mean.

I think we need to get, I do think my my take is that we prioritize the community room uh spec out how much that's going to cost because that's gonna be the priority, and within that funding, that's gonna allow us to do as you say, it's gonna allow us to do adult programs, it's gonna allow us to do community room use, right?

It's going to and what I was thinking about like the panels on the side is like acoustic panels, like right now.

We have the old wallpaper up on there.

It's replacing and updating all of that.

So I've ideas on basically doing that and then adding acoustics because when we added the hard floor, you now have we added um, I put in high-rated acoustic ceiling, but typically you want you kind of you generally want in community rooms or things like that.

You want two soft surfaces of one if you have one hard.

So right now we you know, we kind of have two hard surfaces because the one is just a is just a it's actually just fabric paste clued on to um fiber board.

So you want something that's like the two soft allows the room not to um reverberate outside.

So it's actually more a little a little bit better acoustic in there if we could have that, and what other equipment would be helpful for us.

I think that's where we get a call.

We look at what we could do in there.

Um I think it'd be good.

Do you want to do what's called an annual an equic chamber?

You don't make it an anoch chamber.

Um, I mean, it's just it's more along, you know, when you're in there, um, I mean, we have those doors and we can probably adjust the doors, but when you're in there, like the the noise goes out and noise comes in.

So you're in the room there, you'll hear that like the toilet flush.

I'm sure people go in there whoosh.

You hear some of these things in there.

You kind of want to have like a good um, you just want some better acoustic in there, so it just holds everything inside and it's better for the the users inside because it's not reverberating, it's not bouncing everywhere when you have the hard services that's gonna absorb it and contain it a little better for in inside and outside.

So if if I didn't realize that happened because I I've been in there doing talks and everything, I can't recall ever hearing the toilet flush, but if you do that, it didn't happen.

Maybe that, yeah.

Maybe they're holding it in till I say good thing.

But uh doesn't that suggest that there needs to be um some kind of acoustic improvement in the bathrooms where the toilets are?

No, no, it doesn't keep the sound in there.

I mean, you're looking at hard you want hard services in a restroom, hard hard surfaces, and I think that I think there's we have restroom upgrades in the NCIP project.

Yes, but I will say soft surfaces in a sterile environment or like something like not sterile, but like in a in an area where you have things that I think that would breed um right now that's like just like germs all around.

You would you want to be able to be in there, they want to be on there just like spray down, clean down all of that kind of stuff.

You don't put carpeting in the bathroom, yeah.

So that that's kind of the thing.

You want the so the soft surfaces goes inside the in the community room on the walls and ceiling.

Okay.

And the the worries are for the floors because we all we have food, we have drinks, we allow people to use the room like that.

We use it for that too.

That's why we'd went to hard floors because we need to be able to clean that off and having carpet when you're entertaining a lot is also not a last very long.

That was that was part of the switch there.

It sounds like you have your direction in another way.

Is to relocate the toilet away, but we can't do that.

Yeah.

I mean, remodel and relocate the bathroom.

Remodels the doors.

Okay, is there anything else on that?

Item, thank you.

Right, and we'll um move on to the next up to date, which is on the shared library pattern.

The timing that um just happened.

Yeah, so went um through to um went to council and was it was in consent.

Um it's been approved by PG's city council and it's been approved by Carmel as well.

Um so all three jurisdictions are approved, and so it's right now it's moving into a kind of a docusign for that, and it goes through I'll believe all the city managers.

So city administrator or city managers, city administrator, I believe, for Carmel, city managers for PG and Monterey.

Um just to say that um in here in the report, you'll see if you haven't seen them basically in here.

There's a California Library Services Act, which is essentially a the California state code, which is the libraries, public libraries working together.

This is also where you have in there about providing free access to library cards, you know, everyone who's part of gets funding from the state.

Um, and then MOBAC, I know Trustee Silvera's very familiar with MODAC as well.

Um we're part of their subset right now, essentially a Pacific Library partnership of PLP.

But right now we've been doing um delivery service through um through their their vendor.

So they coordinate that and then we pay it.

And that's part of it, it's like they coordinate that through the California Library Services Act, or there's funding through CLSA funds for redistributing um materials.

That's also where we get additional funding for like ebooks every year, is through these CLSA funds that go through the state funding.

But that's just to say that the the delivery of the items is the piece where MOBAC PLP, they coordinate that because the person come in here, they do the service rather than library staff driving the materials back and forth.

So we're coordinating that.

And we've an ex we when we expanded to Monday hours, we expanded our access to delivery service to make sure that items were expedited between the sites.

So we don't pay for you don't do it and you don't pay for it.

We pay directly to PLP.

I see.

So you pay for the service, but they take care of it.

They take care of everything and they just redistribute the cost annually.

Um there was a period of time.

Um Kim and I were alternating doing that between ourselves over at Pacific Grove.

Remember for when they for certain days we wanted to expand it.

Yeah.

We went expanded on like Wednesdays.

But I meant like loading up like four bins in our cars, driving over to PG and back.

And so until when we're able to get the courier service expanded, it's just so much better for all of us.

Well, and it's hands-off too.

It's nice to have it be a third party.

So it isn't one of the one of the partners in this partnership having to take on more cost or management.

Does our cost go up for that when Carmel joins, or they pick up the like the delta that is in the edge?

So we're gonna it's all of our going up, but it's going because of the uh consumer price index.

So it's going up across the it's going up across the board, they're gonna increase the rate because the company that the PLP generally works at, they basically they come in, they do all of the MOBAC libraries.

So they're going through Santa Cruz and Watsonville, CSUMB pretty much every day, but they just do extra service for us.

So they're doing extra service.

So instead, what we're doing, we're gonna split the cost three ways instead of two ways.

So it does add additional costs um annually, but they're but that's also because they're increasing the CPI, but then we're we're going to split it three ways.

So I think it's going up about a thousand dollars for the year.

For the year.

So it goes from about five to six thousand dollars.

So it's and and I have a as your share, yeah.

Yeah, that's your share.

The funds that's our share.

So yeah, so it's they'll pay the same.

They'll pay the same, they'll they'll each pay the same.

Is there a term to the agreement?

I mean, what what if Carmel says, you know what, this is costing us a lot of money and it doesn't really benefit us that much, or I mean, is there a trial period or a yeah?

I believe it's when I look at it, I think it was like a one-year and then with an extension.

Okay.

With it works.

So it does have um built-in built-in, and if we are everyone's happy, if we if we want to back out with the people can still back out of it.

Um, the main thing I think right now is um working on some of the internal procedures.

So we're working on that's um, you know, we're working on some of like our internal procedures because uh RFIB well also and also loan rules.

So loan rules, yeah, different holds.

So yeah, like patrons, patron types, so these things.

So we're getting all of those figured out and along, you know, we're getting uh on the path of uh getting the sort of thing together.

So as uh the patron app works in the PG library, the monitorate patron app, will it then work in the Carmel library?

Most likely, yes.

Wow, I believe so.

I mean, we would just have to you might have to just load in well at the testing because yeah, it'll connect to the same cohort database.

I think what you will see there are a lot of um Carmel Library has a lot of the new best sellers and the best cities, but it also has an impossible parking problem.

So I know people in Carmel who come here to get their books, yeah, because we have a parking lot and Carmel does not.

So I think you're gonna see more people coming here.

Yeah, I think the I think the usage that was one of the things is that I think that our mail and that sport partially, I think it was good to go with with the courier, continue with the courier because I do see the number like all three of our libraries are have people that are pretty active in placing bulbs, you know.

And so I I will say that when we open this up, I think Monterey residents are going to be looking at that as like, wait, I don't have to drive and circle around for 20 minutes to try to find the parking spot.

I could just request that.

And many Clown Mountain people also use the sports center.

Yeah.

So that having those lockers there for them.

Yeah, yeah.

Does Carmel have a director in place yet?

No, they saw the interim at that one.

I wanted to ask uh uh you mentioned in the report that there are some things that uh can't be shared in this uh collaborative deal because uh if I understand what you wrote, uh each library has its own contract with, for example, a vendor of electronic subscriptions.

Um can it be so let's say Carmel Library has a contract with some electronic subscription service, and I'm interested in those those items.

I can't get them now, but I could if I had a Carmel library card, right?

And you can get a card at all three of these that it says, but how can I see what is in that collection of theirs, whether I want it or not to be prompted to go get a Carmel card?

Because right now, I mean, I don't know what they have that we don't, I guess is another way of saying it.

And until I can figure out what they have that we don't, I don't know what I would want from them that we can't already get.

Well, but the card costs nothing, and as soon as you get the card, then it will find out exactly.

So the answer is you get a card whether you end up wanting it or not, because that's the only that's the only way to find out what they have.

Yeah, or look on their website.

You're the consumer.

I mean, I'm just thinking because uh the our the our um electronic subscription, I guess it is for all the magazines.

I forgot what it's called now.

It used to be called Flipster, but it's changed.

And the collection of magazines that are available to us now via a monterey card, that collection is different from what used to be available.

The big one is uh Canopy, which is all the movies that none of the other libraries have except Carmel.

Huge library of old movies and things.

You mean um Carmel in the in the in the library building, yeah.

Like digital digital access.

I mean I need to all these movies.

So yeah, I mean it's a good movies, yeah.

The thing with electronic resources, I mean, you can go to a larger library system that might have 100 to 200 different digital resources, public library.

Yeah, we have a lot.

So we don't we don't highlight, we try to highlight things when we're doing newsletters and talk about things or ask them how do we get out every single one?

We don't.

It's just the answer is we don't.

We don't, it's hard to get them all out there, and we spend money on advertisements.

We we highlight things, we get bookmarks, we do things like that.

We we pass out things to new users.

This is this is our link.

Our right now, our patrons, our members, when they get a card, they get a bookmark as a QR code, and it takes you to where all of our e-resources are on the page of like what interests you, what to get it, what do you want?

Some people may want Mango language, some people don't.

Some people may want periodicals, other people don't.

Some people want historic newspapers, others don't.

So it really depends.

You know, so some of our things are based.

What what the what I mean by this is that it authenticates by your library cards.

And so when these, and then each one of our library cards has a different, you know, kind of a prefix of a number series of numbers which are on there.

And yeah, PG does their smaller budget than us, so they have less, but they do have a couple different, you know.

PG does have some different things, but like when New York Times went down for a while, and then we bought New York Times, other libraries did not, right?

So you needed a you needed to authenticate it with your monitor public library card.

The main thing is the authentication because you're gonna go through there.

So some people will download Libby.

Libby, when you download it, yeah, you then click where library card are you working.

You know, you can look up their work or it kind of integrate stuff, but you upload all of your different cards.

You upload all of your different cards onto one specific app.

And when you authenticate it at first, you choose all of your libraries, upload all of them.

But then when you go into a library like Carmel, which the vendors choose based on their capita size.

So if they're gonna go in there and they're saying, okay, the amount of residents in Carmel by the C is 2500 residents, they're charging them, even though they might have five to 10,000 card holders and only 2500 residents, and a lot of the residents are only part-timers, 40% or so live center else.

They're not full-time there.

They have a lot of users from outside, you know, Carmel.

So what they do, but the vendors are charging me on a on a population basis.

So that's where they're so they can afford to.

So their charges are a little different than all of us, right?

Others, some other apps are per use, things like that, but they all they get to make those decisions.

Other some other apps are per use, things like that, but they all they get to make those decisions, and what that means is that we're not saying, okay, um, Carmel, you want to have this app, and you know, because then we would have to really have a centralized leadership and administration for us to use some of these specific apps um that require that require that, which we're not we're not doing.

Yeah, so but this one is just we'll be going forward.

Um yeah, I don't know.

Um Melissa, did you want to talk anything on in terms of like um yeah, I mean process guys and yeah, right now I'm meeting we're we're kind of setting up a recurring weekly meetings with um some of the the staff at Carmel to talk about all the logistics of because we need we need to prepare for training training staff is the main thing.

Like, how are we going to promote each other's library services without confusing the public?

And so that's kind of what we've been working on as we also go through the like Brian was mentioning.

Um, you know, we have different loan periods for different items, we have different patron types, so all that kind of stuff needs to get cleaned up, and there needs to be some consistency amongst the three of us so that we can move forward.

Do they have RFID?

They do, yeah.

So that's good.

So it's just PG.

It's just PG.

Yeah, yeah.

So they do.

Um, and so yeah, that's that's the main thing that we've been doing.

We're setting up weekly meetings so that we can flesh all that out.

So you have to go to those meetings and say, no matter what you do or don't have now, these are the things that we think all three of us ought to have.

So we have them in common.

Yeah, as far as like rules, like like how we're gonna use our system well and services and and then how long a book can be checked out for, like, and there's different, I mean, we all have our own version of a library of things, so those are items also that we version of a what library of things items, so non-traditional library, you know, materials, or telescopes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dolls, some of those things that we actually the the courier because the courier put everything in the bins.

We also don't we decided when we did the library of pins earlier on.

For a while we had tools, didn't we like you find it in a my garage?

We've talked about it, but we've not had tools now.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, but those we haven't we haven't shared the library of things with uh with others, yeah, with PG, even though so that's not reciprocal right now.

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, that's that's just happening right now, processing all that stuff.

But could a PG library card holder come over here and check those things out?

Yeah, for sure.

They just need to return it here as well, right?

Okay, yeah.

But using their PG card.

That's something I well, that's that would be a discussion.

Okay, that is that is good, yeah.

But ultimately, if I just wanted a book that was a good old book, not here, or at least not available here because checked out for another month.

I and I could find it available at the Carmel library, then it would work the same as now.

I would say I want to check this book out, and I want to pick it up and on a ray and they would bring it over just like PG just now.

For sure, yeah.

Books and movies would be the easiest to start.

Yeah, so do you wait to roll this out on it until after all of these kinks are working?

Or okay, so this is still right now.

Right now, it's just actually like four of us, and then after that, we would need to make sure our staff from all the systems are updated and then updating any of our print materials that have information about loan periods and things like that.

And then getting ready to go live.

Yeah, yeah.

And I and I will say also we're we're making sure that MOBAC, Pacific Library Partnership, that they're aware for 2026, you know, because this is like early 2026.

We need to make sure that that vendor has all of the bandwidth and everything.

So that's what we've been working on on that side, which is saying like let's go through this.

And as Melissa's saying, also, like there's also gonna be a transition period where Carmel's gonna have to upload, you know, onto the the shared catalog, right?

Yeah, right.

So there's there's a second step too.

That's the final that's kind of the final step.

Is and then because once that happens, the public's gonna start noticing you know, Carmel items in the catalog.

So we're kind of waiting to do that as we're we do everything else beforehand, yeah.

Yeah, getting the rules also because as you know with with computers, computers don't always don't like uncertainty.

They want, yeah, they want consistent real answer, yeah.

You know, like clarity, clarity, not three weeks checkout versus four week check out, not you know, unlimited renewals versus three renews, right?

Like we've we're we work out all of those teams like Melissa's talking about.

Then when you're doing the input and everything like that, it's a lot you're gonna run into a lot less errors when trying to implement everything.

And this is by far the biggest collection and biggest stack of the three, right?

Yeah, it's Monterey, yeah, yeah.

Okay, anything else on that?

Thank you very much.

That's yeah, it's exciting.

Okay, so now we move on to the consent agenda.

Is there anything on here that we want to remove?

I had a couple of just informational questions about the state library or report.

And we should pull the item from the consent agenda.

Okay, okay, just clarifications.

That's number four.

You're talking about.

Um I think so.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

I know that's um reference report.

So are you doing that, Marsha?

Yeah, no, not that difficult you're right.

Correct.

Or a report.

I just had a couple of informational questions I didn't understand.

Okay, so we need a motion to approve the motion to approve the agenda.

Um minus the items three, five, six, and seven.

Is that what we're pulling a polling no?

That's what we're approving.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

And and uh trustee Morrell has asked to remove number four and have it be treated as a separate agenda item for the purpose of answering or discussing your questions, right?

Yes, so is that your motion?

Okay, so I'll I'll uh if it hasn't happened yet, I'll move.

I'll I'll move that we uh approve the consent agenda as presented uh minus item number four for uh separate discussion.

Second uh do we go one at a time or just all in favor?

Oh, just gonna roll call good I because we don't have anybody online, so just uh trustees of all in favor.

Are we are we still zooming this meeting?

We are zooming the meeting, but this is but they're looking up with none of no trustees.

No trustees or no one attending online and no trustees are attending online.

If they're trustees attending online, then we have to do a roll call vote, and we'll do a roll call perfectly.

So uh that motion passes, so we can go to number four.

Yes, so we can go to the um the questions and comments about item four.

Well, um, I just put the silly ones.

First of all, what are the column headings that say CY and PY?

I don't understand prior year.

Oh, okay.

Okay, and then um uh 2.2 says registered users, um, 18,000.

What what is a registered user?

Library card.

Oh, but we have far more than 18,000 library card holders, right?

I think uh so yeah, and maybe that's just Monterey people who live here.

Um, we're only within the C Limites.

I don't know.

This is page 14.

Yeah, because we did we've always said that we have more last number.

In fact, if you look at the statistical report, I think that's number number of cards is on there.

Yeah, we'll have to ask David.

David submitted that one.

Yeah, I can ask Marjorie Packet page 14.

Yes I mean previous year was around the same, so yeah, I just wasn't sure what it would have meant.

Nobody caught it last year.

Nobody got it, yeah.

Because if you're looking at the populations and outlets, I do believe what they're doing in all the moving up in this because essentially there are this is where just a minute.

Um, but I didn't thought it was two or more than that.

So all right, all right.

Do not um hold on, let me show this.

In the statistical report, you said it talks about the number of card holders delivery two.

On page 14, we like it, page 14.

No, I'd say oh, I thought, oh, I'm sorry, I thought in the statistical report, but I can't.

I can't either this is also there.

What I will say on here, the report because we can ask the specifics, the one from the state is the number of holders.

They want people that have actively used their cards within the three years.

So we do have a five-year currently we have a five-year bookback.

Yeah, hold of like when your card expires.

So these are people, all the numbers on here would have been active within the past three years.

Okay.

And it's the case that if somebody has a monitor card and doesn't use it, then uh it expires after some number of years.

Right now it's five years.

But it can be renewed effortlessly practically, right?

But if they haven't if they haven't used it in the last couple of years, then they don't show up in they don't show up on that state.

Or the state they only need the three for the state guidelines.

So that's why some of these th the numbers are a little different than what you might see in some of our other reports.

Yeah.

State specific guidelines for how to pay.

I understand.

And so then the my next question was um page 17 7.6.

This is current.

Yes.

I mean 17, 7 item 7.6.

Do you charge patrons late fines?

And you said yes, because this is a report before who eliminated the fines.

I is that yeah, correct?

Okay.

Yes, I think that should be.

Yeah.

So that's the last that's reported that the prior the prior year.

Yeah.

But there was well, and part of this year too.

We were charging fines.

That right, that's right.

Right.

This one is supposed to be up to uh fiscal, so it should go up to June.

Oh 30 of 20 of this year.

Right, of 2025.

Yeah, and we just dropped the right after that lot out there.

Yeah.

And then it what's kind of odd was it's 10.22.

10.22.

Yeah, and I don't know what package page cut off.

In fact, it's package page 23.

It says, Do you charge borrowers for late returns and print materials?

It sounds like it's the same question.

And it looks like it wasn't answered.

Right.

10.22 is hours open in a typical week.

Right.

Which one point two?

Yeah.

Holding circulation and expenditures.

Oh, you've got different.

Oh, that's another page.

Yeah, that's this.

It's under, yeah.

That's still it's still there.

I don't know why they have it.

It's 10.60, and then it went back to the 22 repeat.

10.22 over here.

See, I'm not doing 10.22.

I think that's an error.

That's an error.

This is directly printed from the state report.

Okay.

And if what they did is last year, they changed the number.

They use the Excel sheet and they changed it from there.

It's not they changed it from there to there.

So that's what they're errors on it.

I remember when when we were doing some surveys here, we realized that they had made a lot of mistakes on their spreadsheet that they nobody ever seemed to notice.

So I found it was quite interesting.

Um I think those were really on my own person's except they asked, so we don't lend out any electronic stuff, right?

Because it says there was a question about laptop loans or only side.

We don't lend them outside the new buildings.

I got check out outside of the of the library.

Right.

Do you lend hot spots?

No.

I will say right in hot spots.

Um you'll see nationally, the majority.

Um those have gone away.

Yeah, they're pulling those all every reason those.

Because those were federally funded.

The majority of those majority, there was a there was an e-rate program that provided like a cheaper monthly service for hot spots, cheaper monthly services for somebody saying the federal government pulled that.

And so it large systems with billion dollar budget.

So like Los Angeles Public Library just stopped their hotspot lending permits.

Is there also public library?

I just saw it was either LA County or LA Public was all that there and no money.

There's no there's not the funding that was there for monthly.

They're so expensive.

So I was uh at uh 9.27 and 9.28 on the book profile is on page 21.

Um with an operating cost of almost 22,000 and circulation of only 10,000 items, it's two dollars a book or service.

What uh do you know about what that is?

We're not without costs here, obviously.

Yeah, so Rugerbox and so what I will say some of that because they charge a what's the number again?

Um it's on page 2128 and seven and two eight.

Okay.

I must have stepped them from it.

Yeah.

Um I would say some of that the city charges us for maintenance of the items.

They also charges for depreciation cost.

So they're charging for depreciation of the vehicle.

So that's not, I mean, it depends on how you look at it because the cost also is I mean, the cost would be even higher if you're looking at the staffing.

I was gonna say I was assuming that that some of that was in there because it is it seems so high, right?

Depreciation is probably huge.

Yeah, so it's depreciation looking at like 10 to 15 years of of the vehicle, I believe it is.

But the um that seems unfair since it was a donation for heaven's sake.

Well, yeah, I think you know, it's I mean, it's interesting.

It's one of those things that like they charge us like we buy all the monitors, like I was mentioned, like we buy all the computer monitors, and our IT charges us annually for service per per device and they don't service it.

Or like the phones, we get it per device charge, but it's an internal service cost, right?

So some of these other departments are charging us an internal service cost for items and service and things, not always a along with a direct, you know, but I will say also the value, because that's the items checked out, but the bookmobile also I'd say the value also lies in the story times that we do, the outreach that we do, the public relations, the marketing, tangible the untangible, which are which are on there because like it's on to you know, when we go to the um welcome new kids into you know, Mona Vista Elementary, you know, or we go to Bayview Academy, we've got a monitor charter, and we're going to St.

Club's school.

I think some of those the value, even though it is a high cost per checkout because the checkouts are pretty fairly low.

Well, when you're out there at like La Mesa and you're serving these kids or you're providing them, I think it's a valuable service.

Oh, for sure.

I think having that bus drive around town, even if it didn't stop and let anybody borrow a book.

It's just, you know, it's mobile advertising.

Yeah.

And uh worth it for that.

And you know, there are probably some people that complain about taking up two parking places in front of the library occasionally.

And I'm just saying to myself, gee, what is I mean?

You look across the street, you look on the other side of the gulch, there's dozens of places to park.

Yeah.

So why are you complaining about anyhow?

That's just me.

But I mean, I think it's such a great and it's much more visible than the old one was, even though it's a smaller vehicle and so and it takes a fewer parking spots too.

Uh yeah.

It takes up fewer parking spots.

Yeah, we were actually able to give the fire department back two parking spaces from one vehicle.

So we had two parking spaces over there.

We changed and we swap with them.

Oh, from over there, yeah.

From over there.

I think where we park it, you park it in front of the library when we're loading it.

And loading and unloading.

So when we're changing between stops, we park it there in front.

But the rest of the time you park it across.

Well, the rest of the time we park it.

But you don't need as many spices.

Right, exactly.

It's not as wide as it was.

That'll make them happen.

Yeah, but just yeah, as I mentioned, also one of the things that was um missing in here is um oh, where was that on there?

Sorry.

This is actually something that I'm asking our IT department about as well, but it's about wireless access, number of wires access.

And that's on page 19, which is 7.44.

So wireless sessions per year.

So one thing that did come in.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm hoping we can get that so that we can add that and then that for this minus one.

It's wireless sessions per year and it says minus one.

I guess it's an error.

I guess it's it's an Excel error.

Yeah.

Essentially, what happened is that when we moved to a new system called Juniper for our our Wi-Fi here in the system, and updated the Juniper network because it wasn't working on a lot of a lot of newer computers, actually working with our closer system.

And so a lot of devices, especially Macs devices were not working with our whole system.

So we upgraded the system because we no longer have access to the statistics that we used to have access to.

Um so I've been asking our IT department that I would like that's why on our board pack monthly statistics I've mentioned that those numbers have been off because I've been asking IT can you provide a monthly report to us?

Yeah, so that so that is gettable info.

It is gettable info, but we just we don't have access to we don't have access to the portal.

So it's a matter of us getting access to the portal.

In other words, you got a light of fire under them to get the data turned into us.

Right.

So that's where I've had that.

I do have a request in a ticket in with our IT department for us to either have that monthly if they can automate the report and automate a report, just send it to us include you, or if they manually pull it, but we know we need that data point.

So I'll just that's why I just want to point out that this one right here, 7.44 is an error because we don't have access to it.

So it's not hard for them to do because uh we're not asking them to actually write a report, we're asking them just to transfer some numbers, it could be an email attachment.

You know, I mean, yeah, it could be real easy for them.

But that's just uh it's just one of the things to put on a calendar, right?

It's just a calendar thing of like putting it on there, whether it's manually done or not.

But I just want to point that out on that report if you wondered why it was a negative because we do get a lot of people using the Wi-Fi in our system.

Yeah, I just have one question going back to page 15 on the expenditures, our capital expenditures for the current year is um very low compared to prior year, and why is that?

Oh, 4.12.

That would be 4.12.

So the prior year was when we budgeted for the children's upgrades.

Oh so that was when we did the children's shelving.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

And so some of this the 52,000, some of some of that was like the flooring in in the um, you know, in the community room or there was it was a mix of like that project was kind of over two years, but this is also projects, but that's why it was the project was higher.

So when you um if I can just follow up on that, when you say capital expenditures, if it's friends and foundation money, it still counts in here, or it's only yeah, because it comes to the trust fund and still comes to the fundamental.

No matter what it is, it's how much did you spend no matter where money came from?

And if it was a donation, it doesn't matter.

Exactly.

So if if these for if, for example, the friends were doing things themselves, doing it as a gift, that's different.

But when they're giving the money to the library and it's going through the trust, we're reporting our revenue, everything in here, like revenue expenditures includes trust funding or expenditures.

So, in a general um strategy or policy, you wouldn't really want the friends and foundation to spend any money independently directly without it coming through the library, right?

I mean, I I don't know that it's ever even been done.

Um yeah, I think um I would say take my notes on it's what I'll say on that it's on the city side, it's much better for us to spend the money ourselves on capital expense and all that because it's our project and we have the liability of you know, looking into a contract with somebody if we're doing like for example, the flooring contractor, the flooring contractor, they have a contract with the city versus friends and foundation, right?

Right, and so that's where it becomes a lot easier because then if we never want them to say buy you a new projector.

I mean, yeah, I mean, there are times when that might be helpful because that's not a cap not a capital.

Right, yeah, yeah.

You wouldn't want to do it with anything that's what if it was just even the maybe like a gift from the friends to the library, right?

A gift and things like that, and that's where things like sometimes like that's I mean, some libraries, I imagine do these a little different because you know, we are our libraries operating in terms of the Friends and Foundation funding directly through that.

There are libraries out there where performers are paid directly through Friends and Foundation, right?

So that changes your expenditure that changes your revenue on that because they're being paid directly through them, you know, or if the um I used to work in a library years back where our friends and foundation would buy our because back from DVDs were extremely popular every week, they would buy bags of DVDs, like they would buy like several bags of DVDs themselves.

We'd add them into the collection.

They would absorb costs would go through the friends and foundation.

Now that means that because what that is is then this looks at when they look at us and they go, um, when the state looks at us and they look at what is your income per cap, you know, per capita.

Um, you know, your rate, they're looking at you'll see that's where we have the you know, all other operating income on those, but they're looking at local government.

They may look at like what we what are you getting on there?

So hopefully they're looking at those ratios based on local government and not local government and foundation.

Right.

Right.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Okay.

So we have completed items on the consent agenda and the field items.

And now we go to public comments.

Don't see any.

And as there's any public comments online, I don't see any attendees online.

Raise your hands.

Okay.

Nobody online.

Nobody's online besides.

So we go on to our last item, which is to um talk about a uh uh an elevator speech for our uh advocacy that we would be able to share with staff or kind of the foundation or use ourselves in any um interactions with the community to uh talk about uh what we do, what we stand for, what we need, how they can be involved, all of that.

And um and we thought that it would be good to draft something and um that we could look at next time and maybe come up with some some sort of very short spiel.

And in your experience, is that generally, I mean, these these look like they're pretty well set.

Is your in your experience are these like changed from time to time and updated or or is this supposed to be pretty foundational?

So I mean, like that question that the the flow called facts about American libraries.

That one's been updated.

I think the last time might have been, I think that might be 2017, but they have a 2019 and then the Monterey way, those are from the city managers.

This is more what we stand for, yeah, more or what we stand for.

Right.

Um, I've seen those pocket cards, you know, those are examples I came to Chair Delarmier.

Um I I feel like at least if we if we have a starting point and we do have kind of an active goal right now, right?

I think it's like that's why I was asking because you would you would want to update with your current needs, right?

As well as your your basics.

I think that's where this is something that I think is is really helpful for in the on the staff side.

I've seen them come on when we do strategic planning and you know, when you do something like that, and you say these are our values, you know, like having a value card or anything like that, and that's a but I feel like there's those are somewhat just the short term, it could be a couple of a year or two, three or so um specifically on what are the goals and become obsolete and you would want to be general enough that it generally works.

All right.

Um, I don't know where we go from here.

I had somebody in mind.

And yeah, and I would just say on this for the agenda point, the the point is not today to create the card.

Right, right.

The point on this is to uh let's appoint charge somebody to charge somebody one of our trustees to work on this, create it, create like a card, right?

And then come back and we could discuss that at our next meeting, right?

And and uh I would assume that if we're trying to make up sort of a universal set of points that no matter who is making a presentation or talking to somebody, they would be saying the same thing.

Yeah, or having the same script.

So it's um we would have to consider well, who are the who's the audience going to be?

Are they gonna be people from the general populace?

Are they going to be um connected with businesses that we might want to tap for financial reasons?

Are they going to be other professionals in the field?

I think we need to maybe that's part of a future discussion, but needs to say, well, because if I'm just you know Bob average citizen consumer of library programs and services, I may not care about a lot of these things, you know, um admissions and all that stuff.

I might just care how easy it is to get a book and how long can I keep it, and uh or how crowded do things are.

And if I'm talking to somebody who might be a funder, then I'm gonna talk like NCIP.

Then I'll say things like, Well, hey, did you know 130,000 users came through here last year?

I mean, it's on everything.

I mean that's a heck of a lot of people and just talking about how much the library is a core entity in our community when you look at a number like that I mean there are only 28 29000 people in the city of Monterey in total but 13000 users and surely those are some people who came in more than once like everybody here probably but it also means that there are the the word community is beyond the borderline of the city of Monterey because uh I was talking to a person recently who whose family including her have lived in Seaside for a long time but she attended Monterey High School and graduated from Monterey High School and I imagine along the way probably use the Monterey library um so the the nature in this regard I think of what community refers to is much bigger than either the populace or the physical boundaries of the city of Monterey and um I mean I just think whatever goes on this it's not actually a script but it's kind of a part of background information that anybody staff trustee or whoever would want to be able to share express it would be the same on your no matter who it is whether it's staff member Kim or trustee Moreau whoever would have the same you know stuff to start with and and would give similar answers to questions that whoever they're talking to might ask I think I like the idea of having targeted things you know what appeals to one group may not oh there'll be a lot there'll be overlap I hope but there'll be some things you're absolutely right that the average citizen will be interested in knowing about but uh they're not interested in some of the other stuff and that might be age related I mean you know absolutely you know right currently the the the super elders uh a lot of them still don't use the computer and so talking about hey how many laptops we have or something like that who who gives a damn if I were one of them but if we're talking to younger parents of little kids then it would be important to talk about you know the program what type they are and how often and I don't know that that's what this is I don't think it any I don't know that there would be much of anything real specific um you wouldn't want anything that uh changes in six months or uh no but if we update it annually then there'd be things that might uh be but I don't think that's the job of what's well you can have one sentence credit you know we have children's programs you have this we have that right and we have 20 of them or something like that.

We have we have storytelling we have ranging in appropriateness for different age groups right I mean the teen programs we have a whole teen librarians separate from whatever librarian is in charge for the three year olds.

So what else would we need to um to charge this person with or information on what I I mean does it can I ask you a question sure wouldn't this be better to have two people maybe and one person doing the just taking it on by themselves it might be or supposedly it's gonna be discussed by the whole it's the second person right I think I I could be like a content bouncer competitor you know I think I could be yeah some of that like the first you know we could Melissa or I can be people that you know fit board right because you actually do this all day and how about the friends and foundation who are the ones who are recommending uh maybe somebody from right to get some input I I will say I think one of the things that it would be good for this is to be slightly different from the Suns and foundation because you need to have something that says somebody comes in there same way with you know whatever I want to donate to the library how do I do that and then on that card here just like go to library giving at Monterey.org and then goes emails to us or donate to invest in you know info investment pl.org right that kind of piece right there because the role of appointed elected you know officials for the for the city like you are still appointed for you know you're still appointed by counsel you know for this this city right and that's where I think the Brendan foundation should be that fundraising arm you know in doing that that poor work of basically going to those donors and say can you provide and then independently but the role of the board is saying are you aware that we have a 501c3 that raised X number of dollars that does these programs and these kind of things and that's kind of I think some of the

And that's where I think the Brandson Foundation should be that fundraising arm, you know, and doing that that core work of basically going through those donors is that can you provide and then independently?

But the role of the board is saying, are you aware that we have a 501c3 that raised X number of dollars that does these programs and these kind of things?

And that's kind of I think some of the the court to me, that's what I see it on there.

It's like that's the target board, because then it doesn't get you in a gray area of so who answers the question when the donor says, what do you need money for?

That's what this is supposed to be.

I mean, part of it would be part of it would be just educating them about yeah.

I think part of that, I mean, that's also I mean depends on that donor, and that's for something I talked with Sendon Foundation about and I talk with Julius and your um assistant on there is that I find that as like a point of like why don't we set up a coffee time for coffee because that's not something that really just like off the cuff, you know what I mean?

Like to say, like we don't always know right off right off the bat what's going to be there because you might talk to that person, and a lot of times you talk to donors like that, they those donors actually have something in their mind that they're really tapped into.

Some donors are really tapped into use the education.

That's something way out in left field that they're not a bit interested in.

They just say if I want to, yeah, if I went to some people and I say, you know, we would digitize all this content.

Some people are gonna be like, I don't care about that.

Right?

Like that's not what our our our values and visions are.

So that's where I think like the creating that was the so the links I have on here too, are just kind of on from the American Library Association because there's a bunch of different packets and information, trainings and things that they have on there.

Um but I agree that I think it's like you know, figuring out who's the audience, um, figuring out what exactly would it be, would it be a fold out card or just like it, you know, a two-side, like what format and how much do we want to put on there?

Do you want to put on there for people like library events?

Do you know everyone gets a library card?

Like some of these things, like there's that also library information, you know, so that it's like the something you we would hand to the audience in a way.

I I see I don't know uh mostly it's just your little cheat sheet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's for the presenter or whatever you want to.

But it's something for you to have there.

And I mean by the QR code, like you have your smartphone, and somebody comes to you and says, like, I don't know what library provides for electronic resources.

You have that on there, you could scan that with your phone, it's gonna pop up to that list of all of the resources, right?

I'm saying, like, that's a possibility.

I'm not saying it's mandatory, but I'm saying, like, what kind of questions might show up from people about what is your library card provide?

Right.

And provide you access to a specific relevant Carmel library.

So all of those kind of pieces on there.

Yeah.

So I think we we only, I don't know what your thoughts on the two member or one member.

Um well, I I do think that we could uh do this with um uh I mean if if somebody wants to partner up, that's fine.

But I but I I think it really only needs one person if we're going to just start with a draft, and you know, we're not approving anything or or finalizing anything, there will have to be some collaboration and say, okay, well, we miss this or that's superfluous or um read it.

Um did you have your recommendation?

I do.

I was wondering if Janie might take this on you're a writer.

Um I used to be a writer, yeah.

You are still a writer.

I'm better at it, added better as an editor, but yeah, I could do it.

But you want it well, and wouldn't you my next one?

Um figure how you know that it really is bullet points and very not a lot, and which is not to say that it isn't important or or going to take time and thought, but uh but it isn't it isn't a thesis, yeah.

And um and so I mean, actually, those those cards almost are outlines and um so we just want to hit all the bullet points of how we would represent ourselves in the community or with potential donors or okay.

We seem to be thank you.

We seem to be all about facilities, it's an ongoing thing that last year the focus was on getting open on Mondays.

Um, so when you think of advocacy, it is what you want for the future.

So that would be included, not just what we do, but what we seek to do.

And did you want this in the do we want to present the trap to January or February?

What would be the timeline for um I don't know.

Well, I think uh, you know, since I think we have discussed over and over again whether we put it in minutes or anything, um, kind of like what we think is important, and we sort of agree that there are some things that the average citizenry would be interested in knowing about, and others potential donors would be that you know it'll vary.

So maybe that um implies a way of organizing these um important points of information so that let's say one of us uh was meeting with a little group a neighborhood group, uh, we would be able to sort of anticipate and and plan ahead and uh like you say, use the proper or most effective portions of our cheat sheet.

Um I think I mean in in our agenda packet it says uh we need to develop an overarching message that any and all trustees can bring to meetings or discuss in the community.

Trustees and the library director will work on a calendar of meetings.

Um I don't know about that last part, but I do uh you know, I I think saying it's uh you know a cheat cheat, whether it's a trustee or a staff member or a volunteer or anybody uh could use without fear of misrepresenting the library or saying the wrong thing kind of thing.

Right.

And I if we're gonna talk about it at the next meeting, which is what a month and a half from now, at the end, it's toward the end of January, then uh you know, whatever uh if Janie accepts this uh request, whatever she brings and in whatever form uh is fine because we're gonna talk about it and right not wordsmith it to death, but you know, talk about how it should be organized.

And I would suggest that maybe each of us before our meeting in January, think about well, if I were in Janie's shoes, what would I think was important?

And you know, what categories of organizational headings, if you will, um, you know, and and so we come prepared to take what Janie presents and you know, just slightly massage it and then uh because this could be uh uh uh um a tool in progress.

I mean, like when one tool that you have wears out or become conservative stuff, not as good at uh uh doing something, then you get another tool or you modify it, or you buy an extension for it, you know.

And I think we could treat this that way, so that's an active part of the trustees behavior, but we do.

I just want to point out that you've actually did this.

The first the goals of the advisory in in this exercise within CIP, right?

That we identified it, we got a message, people went to every meeting, they were very consistent.

Every single meeting we had you know, lines of people, and we don't know if it's going to be successful or not.

I don't know when they tell us whether they're gonna give us the money.

Anyway, but the strategy vote the strategy that was laid out here is exactly what coordinated what we did.

Put pages that on that you're sitting with 31.

31, the goals of the board.

What page packet page is it?

31.

31, thank you.

So did you have a cheat sheet kind of thing then?

Well, kind of talking about she Diane's sent out emails to everybody, and we're talking about this or you've already done that from people, yeah.

I mean, you gave a general outline, you talk about this and you talk about that.

And it says right here, just as an example of something that may change.

It says um it would include the goals that board advocacy would deal with our needs of MPL that require funding.

Right.

Well, as things get funded, and we don't need to cross them on, yeah.

You know, it would that would change, right?

We update it.

Yeah, we needed new tables and chairs, and now we got new tables and chairs, that piece of the cheat sheet would be different.

Well, we we well, you could be general and say, you know, upgrade furniture as necessary or something like that.

So even when you get new tables and chairs, maybe there's another part of the library that needs new couches or whatever, you know.

So if you if you make it general enough, you don't have to keep crossing things off and adding them on, like in like your Costco shopping list, but you could have sort of general things.

But I'm I'm just saying that you kind of modeled the strategy already, and it and it looked like it was gonna work.

Look like we were wearing them down.

They roll their eyes.

So you and the library at the end of the meeting, every meeting there was one or two people, and then seven people from the library, you know.

Yeah, children and grown-ups and one thing that impressed me at the last meeting is that there were people that weren't one of us.

Exactly.

Got up and said real positive things about uh the the library needs support.

Right.

Yep.

And even some of the reps.

And it was pretty consistent, you know.

But but in that case, yeah, we already you had already identified it in the proposal what you want to have steps.

Those specific things, but the methodology worked.

It seems like it's sound, let's put it that way.

Well, thank you very much.

Well, if you have something like that that you can send me.

Okay, yeah, okay.

Because I've been off the advocacy wagon for a little while.

Right.

Well, we have um uh you're right that it is a month and a half before we meet, but um so even if Janie doesn't even, I'm just asking you, even if you don't feel like you're done with what you've been what you volunteered to do.

I think it would be good to bring your progress kind of like a progress report.

Could be and then we'll see where we are.

This is the final, or you could say, well, I'm part done, or whatever.

A B and C.

This is how I'd lay it out this one, and this is how I structured this one, or which message, which format do you like?

Marsh is referred to it as a draft, and that's how you deal with drafts.

So perfect.

Test drive it.

All right, well, thank you.

Yes, and there are there are resources here.

So now I guess we would move to C comments.

Let's do comments.

There's no one online.

There's no speakers in the room, and there are no speakers on the anybody with comments.

Um, I just wanted to uh say that Canterbury Road Days I thought was lovely.

I really did.

I mean, uh there's a beautiful job, and everybody, I think people really appreciated.

And I think a lot of people read that book and talked about it.

It was a really good thing.

And um we talked already talked about the NCIP advocacy, but hopefully we wore enough people down that they'll turn around and when will they be meeting about that?

Or their next Wednesday is when they vote.

Really?

Well, they had a meeting last night, right?

That was for the second pass M through Z.

Right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it was a repeat of what when we were the same, yeah.

We were the first same purpose next week.

Other, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then they they're voting a week from no next Wednesday.

Oh, next Wednesday.

Week from yesterday.

Yeah.

So are you are are you planning to get a group of people there?

But are they are they just gonna do their voting scheme however they've organized it this year?

Oh, we don't know.

Or is it gonna be advocates for the different like library?

I have no idea opportunity to stand up and talk.

We don't know.

It's a public agenda, so it should be agenda is right item.

Yeah, yeah, so it should be a moment for common.

So um, so yeah, and then and then it isn't till sometime in January when they present their recommendations to council.

They vote themselves, but then they have to take it to council and um because that's who they won't be even presenting it.

The results of next Wednesday will be a secret until they present it to the council in January.

It'll be a secret, but yeah, they just have to public meaningly put to them.

Um for them to yeah, they formalized their discussion in January.

So less night they were discussing the January calendar.

So the January meeting is when they formally vote.

Those things still go they meeting the council in this point now.

Oh C January, January.

They are then gonna be going back, they're gonna go, they formalize their opinions.

They actually the discussion of what they vote on still will go to parks direct commission, they're still gonna go to, I think planning or historic preservation.

They're on the event.

And then I believe it gets formally adopted typically in April by council.

Right.

Because they can't even take it to them until they know that they're everything they voted for is viable.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So that that's where it is.

So it's basically January is the meeting where they review what they voted on next week.

So that's for there's multiple steps.

There's still multiple steps forward.

There's still multiple steps that they were discussing regarding defunding past projects and you know all of that.

So that's still gonna go there.

Yeah, we're doing really good stand about the defunding or the freezing or whatever they're calling it.

They're they're putting off discussion of that till another time.

Yeah, a certain dollar amount.

So they're for different but they have not figured out what those are yet.

No, but they but they found it was 4.5 million dollars, I think is what they had been approved and had not been used.

I think you have an idea of how many years ago that portions of that is sitting they had a big old list there's a full chart.

If you go on if you go on the NCIP page, you can look up all of the different projects that are outstanding on the out on the website.

You could look up all of the different projects funding all of that by date.

Yeah, there are just as many old projects as there are new proposals.

Well yeah, I was constant when I was on with back then it was called NIP, not NCIP, but I was just constantly amazed at uh even some projects that got overwhelming support from the NIP committee and approval and recommendation and all that stuff just set dormant as if that was it.

I mean some things was very frustrating to see the um inadequacy of the government at work.

Well, there was some obstacle sometimes, you know, where people they recommended something that couldn't be done for whatever reason right when lay people I mean they may have been some of them all the speed bumps when the city has a policy that there's no speed bumps to be put in, so they vote speed bumps and then the city says, Well, we're not doing speed bumps.

We don't do that.

I don't do speed bumps, and then there's the money sitting there, like that kind of thing.

So back to the trustee comments.

Yeah, okay.

No, be safe over the holidays, don't get sick, don't very good.

Director comments, um just their couple things we earlier today.

Um the tile maps installed outside of the city manager's office, the map that the one that came down.

So that we have a replacement map.

It's beautiful, right on there.

Um really happy to see that done.

The Prog and Toad are visiting the library uh 19th and 20th, and we're very excited for that.

The 20th will have photos with frog and toad and a couple of activities, and so we are frog and toad have been in in and out of the library a little bit.

Yeah, and then we're still trending towards January for our lockers period working on all of that.

So those items are um I mean some of the things are working for, and yeah.

That's all that's all I've got.

Okay, well, thank you very much everybody and happy holidays.

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