Make sure your microphones on do it again and we okay.

Okay.

Oh, maybe the roll call.

Sure.

I guess start this off.

We'll do AR cult call to order.

First off, we have Chair.

Commissioner Rukowski.

Present.

Commissioner Turgein.

Commissioner Fuller.

Commissioner Evans.

Here.

And Commissioner Caldy is not present at this time.

And just a reminder for folks attending online or via phone.

The join on your computer or smartphone.

Raise your Zoom hand if you'd like to speak.

And to raise your hand if you're on the phone, dial star nine.

And with that, we do have a quorum, Chair Kimsey.

Okay.

So we shall continue with the consent agenda.

We have two sets of minutes, I believe.

Yep.

And are you presenting them?

Well, just if there's any questions.

It was just a consent item.

So if there's a motion to approve the work typos and such, but they're pretty minor.

Okay.

So we just handle that later on.

Sure.

And we put a motion to approve anything.

Or whoever we'll hear a motion.

I move to approve the consent agenda.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Okay, any general public comments this evening.

Are you folks wanting to speak?

Is there anyone on online?

No.

No.

Okay.

Okay.

So um Ryan, I think you're going to take over about the um deaccessioning of product of items.

Yeah, so we're gonna go over just a presentation on potential deaccession of art as well as there are two items in front of you, commissioners, and we'll be presenting them online as well.

Um there's an art collection deaccession proposal as well as Colden Hall furniture deaccession proposal.

And do you want to open up one of the documents, Melissa?

Either one, and I'll come I'll come on over there.

Is this on or not?

Or maybe I'll just come over and take that.

Umerating art collections as reminder that we have a number of items in our student department collection.

Also, I think I understand this item council chambers.

Well, but there and there is a process in our protocol for the team session above our items in our museum's department.

So basically, what we're looking at, this is also the agenda report is uh on here is the object is number two.

I don't know if the object is universally additional police or the museums and cultural arts, she lacks the resources from the expertise is very the house maintained or certainly.

I will say the last time I believe that the accession of our copy was not remodeled of the moderator conference.

There was items that were uh icon here on the um the moderator conference center when that was remodeled.

There was art, it was option.

There were several items that were recommended for a t accession, but were not sold at that.

Those items that were recommended for a tick session, some of those are being stored in the city garage, which is not a great place for storage because of the moisture inside of that building.

So with that, we are looking for um work with uh artifact questions with Brianna Schwirling to identify some.

So with that, there's also we are looking at items which are in the collection scope of early our part should highlight either Monterey, moderate artists, something regarding the peninsula.

So one of these items that we have is a donation, as you see of Abraham Lincoln risk um this does not get the scope of our collection in terms of us.

We don't know who actually read it as item.

So we know it's a donation to us, but we don't know who actually created the option.

That's not something that typically would display, but for it in on the um this work.

This is a uh artist that did work on the peninsula, but it's quite large front work, 42 inch by 42 inch, but I thought we've and this one was also a moderate conference center park work the silver collage for public solves, but we put uh one this was a conference that the first one was a feature, the one point I apologize right here, but this is also uh and then storage at 54 inch by 76 inch.

I had apologized around here, but this is also uh and then storage at 54 inch by 76 inch.

It's a uh not something that we have current storage and ability or a display space for this because they don't plan on displaying it at the moderate conference center.

This one is welcome coast.

This one's currently on the vault inside the monitoring conference center.

The conference center would prefer not to have this item on this play.

So this one is a fairly large uh work that was last uh restored maybe 20 years ago.

There's no thinking of it.

It was 15 feet by nine right.

So basically they full the fiber part.

Um for us, and you'll see some of these are fiber marks because I believe in the 70s or 70s and 80s, we have different fiber parts in there at the monitoring conference center.

Um, sideways puddle.

This one was uh purchased in 1984, another one BCP 73 and three-quarters inch by 76 and a half.

These ones are the panels that were on um back of the hotel before on the Cortova.

This was the path of history panels, which are deteriorating, they're wood panels with uh vinyl, but they are part of our our collection.

So to properly dispose of them, we should follow our deaccession guidelines.

The uh total panels, as you'll see the six panels are four foot by eight foot, one panel is two foot by eight foot, one panel is two foot by four.

The hotels no longer displays these either, and they are as I mentioned, they are pretty born down, they're made in 1992.

This map was uh we're not sure when it was that been made.

We know it's a photo from 1978, the aerial view.

This was in the lobby of the planning department at the bottom of Fulton Holland, and they asked for this to be removed.

It's a fairly large print on a uh most likely like a wood or MDF panel, and it's 65 inches by 79, two panels, and this is like papers glued on the uh narrows of escalante.

This one also was at the moderator conference center.

This one is in storage at the garage as well, 36 inch, 78 inch, another uh fiber part along the stainless steel.

So uh reminder on this part.

Um we believe these items are outside of our storage and our capacity to keep them because they're enough park work that the majority of these items on here were purchased for the monterey conference center or on sites where they were on display in areas where they're not needed on display anymore.

They were looking at uh the accession is now there are we do have museums collection policy.

Um that often but I'll put them, but essentially uh what I'll say is our collection policy does state how we get rid of our items.

We can't sell them directly to the city staff, family members.

Um, we do generally try to auction them off if possible for the park work.

We try to work with a with an auction house or another place that could sell them on behalf of the city, and the funds raised from any artwork we sell goes directly back to our museum trust.

So the funds are dedicated back towards acquiring and repair of park work.

So going back to it, like we don't have the funds to do restoration repair or display these park work so we feel that it's better to not pay for storage for them to sell them to use the money to uh work on other Brian.

What about donating them to uh local nonprofit like the Stanton Center or the Museum of Art?

They're not a nonprofit, but OMBA especially the the path of history and the aerial view on page uh four.

Is that possible or do they is it the priority to try to sell them first?

We can we can we can uh donation donating is the possible and so um and uh oh I'll save like that's item.

I'll read this off to you for you guys to just turn throughout the process.

So that would be actually that's one of the options right there.

MBA especially the the path of history and the aerial view on page uh four is that possible or do they is it the priority to try to sell them first we can we can we can uh donation donating is possible and so um and uh oh i'll save like that's item I'll read this off to you for you guys to just run through off the process so that would be actually that's one of the options right there oh disposal or the accession officer object disposal of the accession objects may be by exchange with or transfers but appropriate museum library or nonprofit organization public option private sale return to the donor repatriation or just in accordance with the policies and procedures of the city of Monterey and that's approved by this so we'll do a recommendation and put forward those things so if we would say on something like this like for example this path of history if you have said those were of interest to old monterey that is something that we that's the as a non-profit we could donate something like that or the aerial and the Stanton center has a large display on the path of history so they may like that uh I know it's outdated uh but they may like that path the history mural yeah and I think um well say also on this I'll read off these other parts just so you're aware of how we generally look with the accession items uh but number two sale at public auction is preferred over price sale in case there were private sales appropriate the museum will obtain an independent appraisal of the fair market value of all objects sold objects may be consigned through dealer with the provision that the name of the city of modern museums not be used in connection with the state then number three and then usual cases items with religious or cultural sensitivity and you repatriated to cultural groups meet legal requirements or cultural standards we don't have anything if an either proposal right now that is a uh religious or cultural that's maybe um number four if objects need session by the museums based on this policy retain significant value for the history and culture of the moderate area reasonable effort will be made to transfer such objects to the publicly accessible collection in the monitor but back to your on it uh which are what's given for something of ultra value to provide it to a agency that could provide public access to and objects shall not be given sold or otherwise transferred publicly or privately directly or indirectly to museum employees members of the museum and cultural arts commission other city of monterey employees officers or officials for their meeting families representatives and then lastly all proceeds resulting from the gig session of objects from the permanent collection of the museums or our collection that we've posited in the museum trust fund and use solely for feature acquisitions or preservation collection so that's just kind of how we would dispose of something I think wonder if there's other questions or comments um pertaining to the art who decides which method you're going to use I think the from what I understand um from it right on there goes back into the uh that's I'm technically the museum's the cultural arts manager like um and correctly put forth a proposal that would then be processed so we would put forth a proposal on an agenda item most likely to get under consent and we would say these are the items we want to remove and for example I can see the artwork primarily my request is for the artwork could be done could be given artwork like the textile part work and the paintings could be auction as a public auction so it would be for an auction house that works directly with art I want to work with them with the some place that works because there's different auction houses some auction houses work with books you know furniture different things you want to work with somebody that knows there are like an option house or a gallery that would sell those items the other two items which are the aerial view of Monterey and the false path of history I think those who should ask our local organization if somebody was in need of would be able to use those so those would be that would be my recommendation or do you need a motion um not yet because I'm gonna go over the uh part of this um right this is our uh furniture session remote so with this i'm gonna start off with just the the background is that we added 50 chairs in bolt and call for public program those words are chairs that we keep in there and we use those for our students coming in and we saw that they come to concert series those are the thick chairs the majority of chairs that we have

Those ones are chairs that we keep in there and we use those for our students coming in and we saw as if you come to concert series, those are the thick chairs.

The majority of chairs that we have in here chairs and benches have been purchased over time by business staff or upholder or actually donations, but the majority of them are uh majority of them want to think some of these things.

The first one going off is which is captain's chair, you'll see that when you're sitting on it, the right arm is completely broken off with purchase in 1951.

It does not have an association with Fulton Hall for the benches.

Um we do, and if you're familiar with it, it's set up where it was.

They said if you're on you could not walk along the back side of Folkenhalls, the tables because these chairs were all set up on here.

There's benches as well as chairs.

So they had the benches out there, and they also got chairs alongside the benches.

We moved the bench, we moved chairs, a number of these broken chairs out or chairs adopted because they're not part of uh something they're putting that in Folden Hall.

That's the first one that's broken exit, and they're definitely 2000, but it's true.

This chair was broken.

16 years.

Um this was a 1950 purchase, this Windsor Barrel back chair.

It's also doesn't fit inside of uh Fulton Hall, and there was just like there was a there's a mismash of all kinds of different chairs that you will see.

A 1958 gift, which was this fiber chairs, these are chairs, and also people should not be sitting, like something like this.

This is not a chair that would be um for people to actually use people site, another one off of another 1958 chair.

This cave bottom chair uh right here was purchased to put in a display for the merit desk, and the judge to side of merit is uh the judge to side merits desk inside of Fulton Hall.

We also have this rocking chair in storage, but they bought this chair specifically for match with the desk, but that's it.

It wasn't quite judgment collection.

This is another 1965 uh donation the another 1965 donation 2006.

We had this pain chair don't mean uh this 1965 donation path food chair is also broken, the same area and a 1951 chair.

This bench, I believe may have value for another organization.

It's a bone fascio adobe bench potentially, and it was also donated to us by the Cardinal Monastery.

But so the Carmel Monastery both leave is from the Bonifacio Adobe, which there's still Bonifacio there.

Um, but this when we received it, it was broken, they referred it is broken again, so we don't use it inside in Fulton Hall.

So the benches that we do have in Polter Call are mostly from Pennsylvania here.

We'll purchase that option.

Um this one was potentially local, and but it doesn't it's I mean it's not something that I think we would have on display to work for if somebody else may be interested in this one.

So that bonifacio adobe bench, I believe would be good to offer up to another historic organization first or um we have two roll top desks.

Uh 1968 purchase this one we're not sure about one was in the mayor's office, another one of our museums collection, but those two also those full top desks we look like we don't have a place to really use or store either of these whole top desks, so or about this this one I believe is also damaged on the roll top the roll top of this one is also damaged.

So a number of these items are physically damaged.

We don't have the funding to focus on probably we should focus on funding on other projects rather than restoring uh furniture from the collection where she doesn't have public actually boot fult and hall.

I will say we do have original Folden Hall benches, though.

By the way, the benches in front of planning and housing are original Fulton Hall.

The one that's upstairs outside the front, the doors are flag, Oldton Hall, those are also original.

There's some other ones who original from the schoolhouse side, they're inside on the museum display.

And so those did come from the Carmel Vision.

They were actually donated at one point to Carmel Vision are not.

So to say we do have original carmelition.

I'm sorry, park from a mission slash open hall benches.

So for our furniture, I as I mentioned, I would prefer not to spend money on restoring items that don't fit the collection and don't fit the design and use of that museum.

So that's why these items are all in here.

But it's not on here, and that's not eventual site to get back to look into whether we're back to the project house or on the other.

And that would be something to go back to work and they should have one more group.

I guess my uh thought is to give back the benches or go back to a site that can fully represent them, and anything that doesn't have the sort value to this region specifically to sell at some kind of uh furniture option or wherever some place would be interested in seek park with that.

These are the two kind of items on here, and happy here.

Any question of any questions?

Any questions?

No, can we hear a motion?

A motion then to the accession these items.

I'll move the no, don't we need public input?

Then they have to go because of the zoom.

She said there was no one on Zoom.

Um anyone online would like to make a comment, please raise your zoom hand or battle star nine to account five or three two one hands raise for exactly.

So this doesn't require anything to do with the uh history um commission.

Yeah, historic preservation.

No, okay.

All of these were oversight within postmarks commission collection.

If we would bring forth the recommendation, I would basically put forward and a consent item agenda for council that would say on X day uh the museum's commission um voted to the accession, these items can afford us with these methods, and I would put that put that forward, you know, so council approved it.

We give you staff resolution to then move forward with the accession.

And in that staff report, Brian, I would encourage you to say that some of these items would be evaluated, like for the Stanton Center or other downtown organizations that might uh need them.

Yeah, and state parks.

They might be interested in those benches, for instance.

But I don't know whether they have room.

So I'll move that we encourage Brian to go forth with the deaccession process.

There's a second, I'll second it.

All in favor, I mean opposed motion's carried.

Good job, Brian.

Yeah, uh any commissioner.

We don't have any, and just there's no informational reports, this is that comments.

Um I don't have any other the only staff comments I have.

I just want to make a comment on it was an article in the hine com regarding the biological laboratories.

We do not have the full two million dollars funding.

The Western Fire Foundation does have approximately 214,000 dollars from uh housing and urban development um through Jim Fanetta's office for the project, but I think people saw the article and thought we had number one that the Western Flyer Foundation was donating the funding directly, which they're not they're done.

But I think people saw the article and thought we had number one that the Western Flyer Foundation was donated on directly, which they're not, they're done we're working on private funding from High.

And secondly, that the project was fully funded and we have structured, which we do not.

So I'm just going to clarify that we brought forward the project in the Museums Commission that presented the historic preservation commission and the preservation.

It was adopting a the historic preservation report is what we did with the use with the Sorg Preservation Commission because that just adopted the report.

We didn't have fully plus construction plans.

We don't have we don't have an architect design or anything like that.

Meaning we will need to come back with that and adopt that with this sort of preservation emission before panning works.

So just if you get any questions, please sit directly to me.

Um and I'll start with uh building.

Could you comment a little bit on uh you referred to the city council action on the lower presidio, which favored alternative one, the low retaining wall, which is similar to what the city did.

So what is the what is the next step?

The army will consider all those, and is it the intent that the army would put up the low retaining wall?

Yes, so yeah, I think you're yeah, so the lower pursuit of source part.

Um the army put together um publish their environmental report in terms of what kind of options for a construction project for us what we call the slufting on the hill, which is the you know the erosion on that side.

There were three options, one being a eight-foot wall approximately one about a three to four foot wall of one to pretty much minimal grading with plants and they call that what slope stabilization.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, slope stabilization, but one of the main objects on there is actually a drainage on there so it goes on the hillside, so that cooling the water comes in there and collects it, everything on the wall.

So uh we did put forward a recommendation to city council and the recommendation that I council approved would be to put on the four-foot wall, which is some similar to what the city did on our delimited city property.

When you're going around left house curve entering on specific, you will see a small wood wall.

That section of property, just that section of property is owned by the city model.

The rest of the wall, the rest of that curve is all by the farm.

Army is planning to from our uh what we've been notified.

Army is planning to do all of the work themselves as well as fund all the funds.

So the funding from the funding construction will be done by Harley.

So they are accepting comments by March 9th, and then they plan to come back to uh we've submitted kind of their plans to the city because then they have to work with what the traffic on the project was built in with the timeline.

So we don't have the timeline of where there would be, but I my recommendation on that was to make sure that they always have one lane of traffic through Lighthouse to minimize the kind of the timeline for it may impact traffic coming in.

You know, those traffic hours that we have for example lighting up along I mean the warning from last house from PG from the monitoring in the moderate project, but making sure that those are quite good.

Just to say that we've um council did approve us that letter for the mayor's sign and will be submitting that as our comment that we do see looking forward with this project and moving forward with the option of putting in a low retaining wall similar areas.

And I will say if you look at the area where we built our wall, there's a part where the carmel stone actually left just in the past week or two.

And so part of that where the stone would have could have possibly fallen out, but now it's being retained by that short routine.

Good.

Okay, shall we move on to commissioner comments?

Is that what you commissioner?

Uh nope, no comments.

No, not for me this time.

Okay, okay.

No, go ahead.

And please the only comment I have is that little nice triangular area across from Stokes Adobe behind the Museum of Art.

The parks department has put some unusual stuff there, like that upturn jar or whatever.

I wonder if they're going to put some benches there.

Um, I know there's always that dilemma.

Do you put benches?

Does that encourage more homeless?

But um, you know, we have the museum of art there, we have uh Sanjo Panza, the uh and they're being more and more open to art.

So is do you know uh we could check with uh is it tice and is that finished and is it possible to get some benches there?

I from what I understand from talking with Tice about that, yeah.

I believe that wanted to assist for some.

I know that you know state parks have been operating classic boucheras as a art exit art space.

So they're also happy when I talked with them, they're happy to have that space there because then it gives them a place to put a neighboring place to highlight here.

I actually thought it was a good idea, and I mentioned to Corey Maddon, the executive director, it'd be nice to have a sculpture there, sort of um, you know, the sculptures at Elkins Park.

I think is that the name Elkins Park?

Um, they were supposed to be rotating.

They haven't rotated in a long, long time.

And so it'd be nice to have a sculpture in that open space area would lead to the other sculpture garden by the Museum of Art.

And maybe the Museum of Art can handle that, of course, with the city permission.

So for the um Lower Presidio Park, we did have a gathering there Sunday.

We had a pretty good turnout despite the fact the weather went against us.

Uh, had a lot of public comments.

So um, I think we're going to have a second uh meeting of something some sort like that in the future.

Is that right, Brian?

Yeah, so we'll work with uh next and put off the lead forward and trying to figure out what's what the city is expecting.

I thought it was pretty good for this.

That's pretty good.

And it rained.

Um concerts.

We do have one coming up April fourth, and another one on May second, which will probably round out the season.

I think we'll won't start again until the fall.

That perhaps do some art things during the summer.

Milana's gonna work.

My lana's gonna work with you on that.

And those are at four o'clock, right?

Four o'clock on Saturdays, yes.

So we're moving along on that.

We rounded out two fall and the spring session of that, and they've been fully attended each time.

So I think we've done well with that.

Okay, our next um meeting is April the second.

And with that, there are no further comments.

Meeting is adjourned.