Board of Library Trustees Meeting - June 25, 2026

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Well, the Board of Library Trustees.

Welcome to anybody who might be with us.

Um public remotely.

If that's happening.

Let's see who.

Do we have our wonderful chair Diane?

Present.

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Can we have our vice chair Bob Huddy?

Right here.

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We have our gossip.

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Okay.

And I think that's a very good question.

And a little reminder to anybody that does join in the Zoom, if you would like to have any questions or comments, please raise your little hand.

Okay.

We will get going with um presentations.

Uh, first we have we will receive an update on uh the library intern's work on public art policy.

Yeah, and actually Ariana should be joining us shortly.

I'll go ahead and jump in.

So she doesn't want to rearrange it for her or not.

I can I can only start with it.

We should jump in on everything.

And she can sit right there when she got there.

Yeah.

So Ariana is Ariana is our uh middlebury intern, was brought in as a federal work study program through a middlebury college, who work on this in their project space.

And so we started off with a um the project looking at was work on a public art policy.

This is primarily something through the museum's cultural arts commission.

We do have a policy right now for accepting the accessioning museums and cultural arts collections.

So the art that we have that is city owned, that's all part of our museum's collection.

So that is something that we've had for some time.

So we do have the museum's cultural arts um commission and that policy that but we're looking at a public art policy for how do people apply for um generally art that's in owned by the private in public view.

So it's private art and public spaces, as well as public art would essentially be nonprofits or other organizations that are on there.

You're saying if I painted something, what would I do to get it displayed?

Exactly.

So right now you would do it through primarily through a sign permit.

Oh, so there's would be like seems a little so like so.

Most uh businesses, if they're doing things, if they're doing an update to a historic property, there is a historic property, historic preservation commission, HPC, and they would go through um a short structure like change.

So any change with that.

So we're looking at continuing with that, is is through HBC is continuing through like historic preservation commission, and anything for sure.

And the other ones would be um, so if there's a sculpture or something like that, they still have to go through all of their business license requirements and everything like that.

Now, this rigor doesn't apply to if we or the library wanted to display any images that we own in the California history, for example.

That's inside that right.

This would be if we put a mural on the outside of the building.

Oh, oh, it all also only applies to outside of buildings, not inside.

Well, inside the building is not updates, like viewable outside.

So that's where, like, for example, the banners are on the outside of the building, yeah.

Those were done actually through architectural review commission.

Right, I remember.

And so that is something that has to go through essentially those are signage guidelines.

The ARC has uh architectural review commission has been disbanded.

There's now the planning commission.

So this was to say that what is art?

So we're defining essentially what is art, what is private art, those kind of definitions, as well as not just murals but sculptures or anything like that that has to do.

So the public art, this is something that um I think can be confusing right now for people in the private sector to identify when they are coming to how do I get a mural on my property?

And it's different between going into cities like Seaside, San City, Monterey, Salinas, every single city has a different policy and a procedure for how you're going to do it.

Um cities like San City have a um kind of a general neighborhood guideline and area where they have a development area where they encourage public art, so that's where that comes into play.

Different commissions, different communities have um, like uh different whether that's recreation commission or you know, different areas for how do you actually apply for that.

We do have a similar, like a utility box art program that only applies to utility boxes owned by the city of Monterey.

So our utility box art programs only basically uh traffic boxes, and that is identified, but those are still reviewed before they're still reviewed and there's approval process for that.

So we are looking at this as not including something like utility boxes because utility boxes are something we already have a policy for, but it would include something like the Mike Sovereign Ural upstairs, right?

Well, we have outer wall in the library.

We have to figure out with that too, what is considered like on what side for the zoning, because there are people that have recessed areas.

So another one is like a an example is the back of like Golden State Theater, which has a mural on the back of the Golden State Theater, and that has been done.

Is that a mural or is that a sign?

So we have to identify on these kind of things what is what the Andronico's building has a that was done as a sign permit, it's the otters, and then it says Andronico's.

That says Andronico's, right?

So what is there?

So different buildings have that.

So it's been a lot of research in terms of what do cities do all throughout California for this type of a project.

Like how do they apply for it?

I see how this is a city issue and you need some protocols, but how does it where's the library fit into it?

Unless somebody wants to put something at the library.

Why is the library involved at all in general?

I mean, this is through what I was mentioning earlier on.

This is through the museums and cultural arts commission.

Oh, so I'm giving an update basically because she is hired as a library museums intern through federal work study.

So that's where the initially that would be updating the code so that the code for museums commission and the code for how do you apply for these this type of a project was clearly state so that people would know how do I apply to put a mural in on my building in here in Monterey, and then also identify areas where it's permitted.

So you have both process and policy.

Does this include looking at the content and having guidelines with the content, or is just this just the process of applying that you're that's a great question and something we've talked about quite a bit because there are neighborhood specific guidelines in Monterey.

So for example, there's like business areas.

So if you're in your North Fremont district, or if you're in the downtown district or the old town district or the um new monar new Monterey District, what is the actual kind of the these kind of uh development districts, you know, that are in there, and they often have specific area plan information based on the general plan.

So the general plan identifies areas and they may say we want public art, and I believe the downtown or old town says the art artwork is encouraged, but it should be reflective of the environment, the environment in the neighborhood.

So if you wanted to paint a large naked lady on your building, somebody might say, Well, that's not there.

It's but it's it's you have to figure, I mean that's one of things we so we have to run this past legal because one of the things is about free speech and signs and artwork and what is what can you what can you um basically allow and not allow is in there.

So we have to get some very clear guidelines.

Now, if it's something that we pay for, or is that we, I mean, as in the city, is the city pays for the city installs it.

Yes, we have the ability for us to review and do all the work.

I get the question we have right now that we need to identify is what constraints are in there currently within a neighborhood-specific plan that says like in this neighborhood we want this type of art.

So we need to cross into the private sector or commercial.

Exactly.

That's um this is going to be for their use.

Right, yeah.

So the welcome, thank you.

Well, I guess NCIP gets involved too, because I remember when I was on that committee when it was just called NIP, we didn't have a C, um, a number of the projects were to put up attractive signs as you entered a neighborhood.

And I would assume all of what you were just saying would apply to that as well, because I mean it's a sign, and you know, it says welcome to fish flats, let's say.

Uh, but they would put some decoration on it, and I don't know what they would, well, you know, trees or flowers or leaves or animals or whatever.

But uh I would think that would be subject to similar procedures.

Well, that would be done because it's a sign and not public art, that would be considered most likely a sign permit and it would go through planning department.

So if it has letters, if it has a message on it, it has words on it, then it's a sign.

Is that not exactly?

So currently, there's nuances because the sign policy currently states like interpretive with or without words.

I see.

And so we are that's where we have to go through and get more uh kind of legal guidance of whether the sign has to be changed as well, because we want it to be we want to go have forward where the applicant knows am I applying for a sign permit?

Am I applying for a so that's how you policy will solve right?

Right, that's one of the example of Andronicos.

Because that's a that was a little fuzzy.

Is it is it art or is it there?

Right.

So it's you know, because it's otters there now, the otters with without the Andronicos, is it is it a mural, right?

But if a place was, you know, like otters with grocery bags, you know, something like that.

Then you're more apt to say that's sign.

I can think of artful signage too.

I mean, you know, somebody puts up a sign, but to say, yeah, everybody's gonna ignore that because it's just block letters.

I need to put some pretty flowers or otters or something on the on the piece, yeah.

And it's straddling two fences, I think.

And I I will say so.

The part with like the NCIP NIP where that comes into play is often that's a request for funding, but they're not in charge of choosing the art.

They're they're often in saying like we want a project at this underpass.

We want a project here, the overall signage approval, the overall mural approval, the art approval goes through the art acquisition by city code is over through museums and cultural arts commission because that's the that's the group that has ultimate authority to recommend something to go forward to council.

So there's kind of on that the NCIP is the funding source that says we want to we want to do a mural.

This is an example, but that doesn't that's not the final approval for that project, that project still has to go through um sort of engineering back into it and then into the city scope and then they do that.

So some of those, like I believe there's a sign that was on one of the proposals this year, there was a sign that was on one proposals for NCIP.

Um, and I think it was right over by like um Casa Moonros, you know, something like that, you know, like coming in right where coming out Fremont at that fork, at the fork right there.

I thought that there was a sign.

I don't know, I don't think that one went through, but for the restaurant or no, for the district for entering moderate, or lucky you you're in the moderate.

Yeah, so it's kind of like somebody had like a district, there was like a district sign like downtown or you know, something like that.

But it wasn't, I don't think that was approved.

But that's the example of we have a pretty similar kind of those neighborhood signs that they've done throughout.

Um, but with that, yes, I would just to say that also uh Ariana and I have done a number of interviews with artists or you know, uh community development department, and we're still trying to hammer down a um interview with the um, you know, the Monterey County Arts uh council, you know, their director.

Yeah, but we've been in touch with different people just trying to have conversations with working artists because also in just saying what are you running into and like what's like to work work directly with the arts council and people that help fund projects, but then also work with other people that say, hey, this is a barrier for us to find out how to do a project, and that's gonna help us to find how to do the policy.

Right, yeah, and because the purpose of our the policy is hopefully just to make art accessible um on every level for the artists for administrators, um, and we've been so fortunate, like Brian was saying, to have conversations with different people throughout the community who have a wide range of experiences, both on the administration level and on the creation level, and so um, and even in other cities.

We've heard people with experience in King City, Seaside, um all throughout California, Los Angeles, um, we had a conversation about as well.

And so we've been able to pinpoint what other cities are doing as well, what you know our strengths and limitations are as a city and how to create the policy within that to provide applicants with the information that they need to create art and to make the city more vibrant is the ultimate goal.

And on the back end, you'll have to figure out how to get that word out to you don't want artists, producers, yeah, coming up with something and then finding out that the whole thing blows up and they have to start over.

So they need to be educated on.

I feel like it's kind of like make us if you want to make a sign, make a sign, but don't make it look too good because then it's art.

Well, and and that's been the tricky part, right?

Is distinguishing between the two and we're still having ongoing conversations about that is uh because if us as the people who are authoring the document really are in and trying to understand the different nuances, we really want to find a clear way to communicate that to the public so that they understand is what I'm putting forth as an applicant art or is what I'm putting forth a sign and not only providing them that with that information but providing them with further areas to look for different details.

And that's unique every city that has a policy would have that same line to draw right.

Right.

The only difference is a lot of other cities have art under one department.

So we were talking about with Brian how a lot oftentimes art is under community development and planning.

They work together um or a lot of different cities have cultural affairs departments and so art falls under that but the city of Monterey is unique where you know we kind of have that in a separate level but we still have a connection to all of these different departments.

So we can still tie them in it's just about connecting it for the public so that that information is accessible and they understand all those different moving pieces.

So you know I I asked well what is the library have to do with all this but I was just thinking that you know consistent with something we discussed with Brian and you were just applying for the job about making the library kind of a community hub for lots of things if the library could be seen as the hub of the wheel for the use of art throughout the city in public places I think that would real be a real boon to the library status if nothing else.

And you know people who like to see that may even be more inclined to donate.

I don't know but uh you know they probably wouldn't cancel their donations they would and um and the other thing I was thinking too is I don't fall in this category but if I were artistically creative at all um that and maybe all these people who might want to participate are more visual than I am in that regard.

And so if we had something to give them saying okay this is clearly a sign this is clearly art do you feel like you fall clearly over here or over here and if you're in the middle then we need to talk about it and you know figure out what you were pointing out the need for a distinction.

And I think there might be some gray area in the minds of the um artists or the sign makers um because there's nothing wrong with having a sign.

And the purpose is just to inform somebody where they are where they're going what they're looking at but there's nothing wrong with having it be artistic I don't think you know pretty to look at even if I don't read the letters.

Well it's just there is a lot of nuance to it especially in community development there are a lot very specific guidelines into size.

There's a lot of of signs right so signs have a a very big thing on it so that is also so like if you were to put on a mural or that's your entire building but then you're not allowed to do a sign that's the size of your entire building that's that's something that's very that we have to navigate because then we but it's not very clear because if the artwork can be is it something where the artwork is interpreted as that's what your business does that matter if it's we don't get to choose what's good art or bad art either.

Because that's the thing is art how good art is is subjective yeah to people so that's where we're gonna be well just to say that we are working on this draft and we'll send it over to um legal presented discuss with the museums cultural arts commission as well about it.

But that's been our has been working on that do you want to speak on anything else you've been working on here during your time here.

Yes um so I've been very fortunate uh to work on the public art policy which as uh and a dancer and ex dancer and an artist it's been my privilege and I'm learning a lot so thank you guys for giving me that learning opportunity and for Brian and Melissa for all their help it's been um really enlightening I've enjoyed it um but we're also working on and beginning to do research into strategic planning.

Um that's been a really fun process.

I love organizational development and leadership.

And so really diving into that and again learning from Brian and Melissa who have experience in that area um has been amazing.

So we're kind of in the beginning phases of that but um we're excited to see that get rolling too.

Yeah.

This has been a really good experience for you.

Yeah.

Right.

And you're in some really important areas and with a lot of um nuance and research and yeah yeah it's good to be you right now a busy summer but yeah a busy summer but um I like staying busy.

I've I mean everybody here is truly amazing.

I'm learning a lot and um just being in the environment and interacting with people and having the opportunities for community outreach as well.

I love getting public input on what we're working on or what the community feels is relevant to and so I'm excited to see how all of those different areas combine and how it'll eventually impact the community because that's what we're lucky to have you.

Yeah I hope all this helps uh and supports whatever plans you're making for a graduate degree.

Oh well I I technically graduated technically I have to just have to do my final project and submit that to the school but uh I officially walked in May so for which is that which degree it's global governance and policy and then I specialized in public and nonprofit and is that a master's level degree yes they offer one beyond that here.

Like a middleberry like a PhD yeah oh my goodness I'm sure I don't I think I need to take a moment before I see I mean this is this is our last this was our last class as middlebury.

Oh right, yeah yeah but they're going to be so university goes through it's going to be the moderate institute.

Okay yeah so the change so but well I mean there are grant PhD I don't know Middlebury doesn't grant PhDs just masters.

So you'd have to go to another school.

Yeah but I don't know if that's in the cards what's your timeline for trying to get all this or is it just do as much as you can until you're done.

Yeah I mean I have a plan I have plan A B and C.

Um and so I'm I would like to aim for the strategic planning at the very least we haven't talked about it in too much depth but I would really love to develop a framework or at the very least an assessment for that process to begin.

So creating a plan for that to be implemented.

Obviously that'll change based on our research and the information that we start to gather um but we really want that to be evidence based so whatever the evidence says whatever the research suggests we really want to tailor that to what the community needs and uh what has worked best in the past.

And the policy we do have a draft we really just want to get legal's input and make sure that that will be something when it is put forth that doesn't need a lot of adjustment something that's generalizable and sustainable.

But if not you know we've worked as a team and um I you know Brian is fully aware of the policy Melissa's fully aware of the policy and so that'll be something that can continue even if I'm removed from the project.

It's almost ready to pass to other departments.

So your your actual time will be mostly spent on the strategic planning piece after that gets sent off to legal or right other yeah we're for the policy we're just doing a lot of um follow-up meetings um creating small minor changes um with legal hopefully and um the idea is more finalizing and refining right um and so hopefully I mean just it depends on the information that we get back but hopefully soon I would like to finish at least one piece before I have to step away from the project.

Yeah do you know how long you're here or is that still no she knows yeah yeah I don't need to be nosy no yeah I want it I mean go for it yeah I'm here until August 15th um kind of grieving leaving for any um I feel like the time has gone by really fast, but um I'm still available to work on the project or even just talk about it after the fact.

Um yeah, it's been great having her here for sure.

So it's been a really big it's nice to have somebody who can kind of dedicate more time on the research process of things, which is usually something you know we we crush through because there's just so many yeah exactly.

So it's nice having someone who can dedicate time and really dive in.

And you know, because she was just in school, like did she still have that research brain that was like very fresh, so yeah, it's been really nice having Ariana.

Thank you very much.

Thank you guys.

I'm excited to be able to present something to you then and then we can't do public comments.

Julia, do you want to read anything about how to make a public comment?

Yes.

Comment and this will be on on the presentation number one on receiving update on library intern and public art policy.

Yes, this one.

Right, so yeah, so just to say if at any time anyone has a public comment regarding this item on the agenda, please raise your Zoom hand, and I don't think anybody is on there.

Um, no one has raised their zoom hand.

I think Julia already talked about raising your little hand.

I mentioned a little note about raising.

They're always yellow, isn't it?

Yeah, it usually comes up with like a little yellow.

I'm not a head call.

Okay, then without that, we would be ready to move on to presentation number two, which is the discussion of the MC Gibbs project ideas, yeah.

And I did want to preface right now that the board of library trustees have no, this is not our baby, it's the Friends and Foundation that run this, but um, but they do listen to advice and council and opinions we may have, and so we did want to put it on here to at least discuss from this room.

Yeah, and so just to start with that it was here in the report, last year was our largest um year, plus we did have a um early match and giving was very strong, but I just want to point out also we didn't send out a number of uh donor letters last year, uh the same levels we have in the past, so that could have also increased that if we were doing people were donating through MC MC Gibbs, and but we did have a letter.

Some of you guys may have seen our donor letter went out today, so um, happy to see that go through.

But this one just to point out so 98,301 dollars and three cents.

That's what we got for general operations last year.

So last year, Monterey Public Library Friends and Foundation wanted to go with general support, general operating support.

And this is you know, the every year you have to apply for this.

So you don't there's not a standard that you are automatically in as a nonprofit, all nonprofits have to apply to participate again in the MC Gibbs campaign every year.

Um, so with that, um, also there was a percentage of that.

So you'll see on the report also so 12,686 dollars of that 98,000 was actually the um pro rata match where the a number of different individuals, different donors and foundations actually donate towards MC Gives as a whole, and they donate to all of the organizations up to their first 75,000 dollars, they'll donate a percentage.

So depending on how many organizations reach that, that's why the number changes every year of how much we get on that percentage match.

So that's to say that you know, roughly you're looking at about 85,000 raised by friends and foundation through that, and then you know, 12,600 through our match.

Um, with that, we put out usually an advertisement in the MC Weekly because they put on like a description of the different uh programs, and we we generally work with the Friends and Foundation to put on advertisement every year to advertise the program that we were doing for there, and but we're looking at bringing this forward here today because we'll be meeting with the Friends and Foundation at their you know quarterly meeting, but also the end the deadline for the MC Gibbs application is at the end of July.

The application is not posted yet, so we don't know exactly if there's any differences on the application this year.

Um, but we're just looking at, you know, we've raised um during my time here, anywhere from about 65, 70,000 up to here to 98,000.

So what kind of a single project?

If we had a big idea or project, what do we want to do here in the library?

That's single project, something that we could support, um, something that should not be part of essentially the general operating budget.

So that's one of the things for MC Gives is they don't want you to say we're gonna defer like our general operating general operating budget and then have you do it through MC Gibbs.

So this is a lot of times newer services or ideas or programs of support and wanted to open it up.

Um it'd be structural.

Are you saying that's not?

I don't think they do allow capital.

Right.

I don't think some more.

Yeah, so yeah, they want it to be programmed.

But you do presumably have NCIP money for that.

Right.

So we have some NCIP for some of the ADA work and things, on programs, programs and things.

What the two areas that I would think of off the bat would be number one, would be upgrading the teen area.

And that's something as we talked about with Andrea as well.

Like when Andrea did her presentation last month regarding it, was the need from the teens to have a space that was for them.

Um, and that is stuff where it's not truly structural, but you are working on moving out to computer areas that could be new shelving, it's new seating as something that helps define that area for the teens, and then that gives a a really defined space to me.

I feel like that that would be a very strong candidate because I feel that people would identify with where their money goes because they would walk in and see that change and also identify the teens that we could get quotes because you often you want to quote from people that are going to be impacted, and I feel like that's something that we would we could potentially get.

The other one, sorry.

Um donors love that, but also MC Gives is very uh supportive of anything supporting youth.

They they do love that, and a few years ago we did do the children's area as our MC Gives project.

So I think the teen um team area would be um popular with donors and with uh community foundation.

Yeah, and so that that's my number to me.

That's that's in my opinion, that's our number one project because I feel like that gives us a funding source for a really critically needed area over there.

Um, and the other the other project is just something that I think needs to happen at some point, but I don't feel we would get as much support, and that's just like out right behind us, which is updating all the shelving behind us, like the shelving area and the seating area over here in this non-fiction area because the shelving is very high for the lighting here because we have very low, very low ceiling.

So to have something in here that's um with the high with the high shelving next to the low lights, it makes it even harder to kind of see in that area, and that the city has been updating all this lightings to LED over the past two years, but it's still pretty dark in this area, so like if we were to update some of the shelving, but it's not as much of a like a direct impact, and I don't think would be as much of a game.

Yeah, I don't think it would be as exciting.

I really feel some in my opinion that the teen one gives us the impact for the youth and a team that come here after school, it gives us the ability to have quotes from teens that say like I you know Andre already actually has quotes from teens specifically about this.

We have our teen advisory board.

So it it's to me it's a um it's a it's a project.

As you mentioned, one of the things that they often look for also is the number of youth supporters, too.

So if this was like if we could actually go out, they provide additional from the community foundation.

Like I don't know if that's award or what, but they highlight the ones that also have like a number of youth supporting a project like that.

So I don't know if any other staff have other kind of thoughts or input on that.

Yeah, I mean, just backing up the teen one just because um, you know, we are a teen librarian andrea's been working really hard on engaging the teens and she's great connecting with them, like they feel really comfortable with her um enough.

They feel comfortable enough with her to share that they want a better teen space.

So um that's something that's feedback directly that we're also getting from teens that are you know that are already supporting the library but also uh enjoy the library, but would really enjoy having a better space.

So yeah, I think it's it's definitely worth us investing time into that demographic.

Usually they end up teens usually end up being kind of the ones that are not as focused on the libraries.

So yeah, no, I am fully in support of that, but I mean, and and with that, there's it could be a combination of the space, but also the services or programs.

Um, there's a lot of you know, potential sort of projects that can come up with that.

So wouldn't you have to show how changes in the space will affect in a positive way the programs that are offered to the in this case the population of teens, yeah.

I mean, you couldn't just say, hey, give us a bunch of money, we're gonna do programs.

No, yeah, or we're gonna you know restructure the space, yeah.

It would seem like one would have to be supportive of the other.

Yeah, for sure.

So a presentation of that would show that the uh maybe it's not exactly bridge and border, but the uh base to cheat rock would uh be supportive of uh expanding beneficial programs for the kids.

Well, I will say that there is a self-reporting often in terms of like what you what you like what your past product does, what did you what did you use it on?

There is no like post reporting requirement in this and the similar like that you would on a grant.

Like if we have a state California State Library grant, California like state library grant of the space, and they haven't had any because they've been reduced funding from IMLS, but a state library grant or federal grant would generally say what program are you holding plus the attendees?

What are you spending?

You know, like all of this stuff.

MC Gives is essentially like this, like we said, like last year was general operating support, so it was funding that was support for the library, so we could use it for materials, we could use it for programs, we could use it for furniture, and it was used for all of it.

So that was part of it was used for like makerspace equipment, it could use for everything.

There wasn't that same level of performance that said like we had you know X number of things because we used it for multiple kind of purposes, and was that tagged in um, I mean, do you do you track um those funds that the, I mean, when you when you do an improvement or anything like that, do you say okay, this this is coming out of our MC Gives money?

So, right now what we're doing, we've budgeted it in is what's called a special projects fund.

So there's a special projects funds and fund goes like 4285 in our in our budget.

So we've put the funds in there so that we know that the funds are gonna go also.

So if they asked or if donors asked, so where did my money go last year?

Right.

You do have that, yeah.

And on roll list, right?

And I'll say one of the one of the projects that happens often is that we find this that like we're also not spending all of that in one single year, right?

Like, you know, if we get like children's funds and then we get a lot of money, or one single big thing, right?

We're spending the the you know, the MC Gift's funds, you know.

We're continuing to spend it.

We are spending it, but we're spending it out of the use it or lose it by the end of the year, huh?

No, it's a check.

We receive a receive a check for it, and then the donors, but it's like something that we want to make sure that we are spending for that purpose.

So we put it in and we're putting a special project budget.

I don't know if any other does anyone have anything on those ideas or any others.

So when you plan um get the teen advisory council as part of the group plans won't happen?

I think that would be ideal.

I've been like um I think what we'll what we'll need to do is have like a general idea.

I think the the plan is is that I still I'd like to really um present to the MPLFF the friends and foundation say this is what we're supportive of we really think this is our our project for this year that we would you know get the buy-in sound because they are ultimately going to apply right they're ultimately going to put in the application because it goes through them but if we can have them apply and us be on board as yes when we get um you know when we start planning with it because I think it would be good for Andrea's team to sit down with us and actually look in that space you know go through different furniture go through different setups what do you actually guys want in here and then it becomes part of their their kind of their planning team you know and then their planning team kind of looks into it and then we come back and we have a we'd have a good number you know we'd have a good number of what we could do with that funding.

So it'd be nice to uh emphasize to some degree the uh how this would promote and stimulate uh involvement by the actual future users of the space the teens and it's not just like you know adults are gonna sit around and spend the money and decide what chairs and everything to get and what programs but that the it'll and then that could be a learning experience for the teens that are involved too to be part of the planning and discussing and you know uh approving or disapproving um I mean I if I were at at the uh you know making the judgment as to who gets money and I saw that I would be much more inclined to like the idea than if it were just well if you give it this money we'll have uh a nicer place for them and you have that council already set up yeah and they do have opinions yeah love that great well good good i think um i think we support the idea of motion one do we have any uh there's any public comments this is your time to raise your zoom hands yeah no we do have any other one there's okay there is one okay all right we have um nelson you you can you can talk i i put this in the q a um but i wondered if there's a way to invite um uh proposals from teens in the local schools so that you're reaching beyond your board of teens who are already involved um and perhaps involving um other school age students in monterey thank you nelson appreciate the comment i think that's great okay well thank you then i think we do now move on to the consent again agenda and what we have there are items three through six which is the uh minutes from last time brian's activity report the statistical report and the financial report is there anything there that anybody wants to pull for discussion if not we would look for a motion to I just have a question oh uh as we read through these kinds of things uh is nobody care if I if you find a typo or a misspelling or anything like that.

Just send it to saying with clarifying and you just make a clarifying comment before pulling it.

If we could just make a clarifying comment.

Yeah, there's no reason to pull it.

I just in uh line four of the uh the May 28th minutes.

Uh it starts out and it says advisory board, reading buddies, NCIP proposal advocacy, and then it says team longs.

Oh, should be team lounge.

Yeah, I mean it would no big deal.

Just okay.

We can make that change.

Okay.

Then I guess what we would be looking for is a motion to approve with that modification.

I'll move.

Thank you.

Second, second.

Thank you, Marcia.

Is there any public comments related to the um the items on the consent agenda?

And these are items three through six.

No, okay.

Then we would be moving to general public comment in case there is anything that has to do with items that are not on the agenda.

This is your time.

Please raise your zoom hand.

Okay.

I don't see anybody raising their zoom hand.

We could move to okay.

Then we would move to the second reading and adoption of changes to library board policy one twenty.

Okay.

Schedule.

We did look at this first reading last month and just had a couple minor dramatic type of things, right?

Right.

There was the one that came through that was the um from Trustee Silvera where she noted the um 120 under this is on page 20 in your packet.

20 page 20, yes.

Um was the proposed edits on there, those where you'll see the red lines and yellows on there.

Um, and that was it was different from last one.

Was the identification is required rather than identification and address verification are required.

So that was under 120 um one dot free library cards B dot replacement cards, those to be consistent with the other, just all of the other sections.

So the replacement cards would be consistent with getting a brand new card.

So that was just the one that we came from there.

Uh, but everything else is the same as it was in the past meeting as as identified when um trustee silver noted that in the last.

So all of these changes besides that are consistent with what was presented on paper.

That that change right there was discussed in the last meeting.

So happy to answer any questions regarding.

I have a question.

I think maybe I asked last time and I don't remember what the answer was.

Where it says identification is required.

What's what somebody's supposed to do to identify themselves like a school ID, picture ID, something that's a um, you know, an issued card of identification card.

So we often get that does show residence.

Well, no, doesn't have to show residence.

We get a we get quite a few people coming from out of state that are coming here through the military.

Yeah, so they will get government issued military IDs and military spouse IDs, and then we get uh passports.

We can get we would get international passports because we actually have a lot of students coming through Middlebury as well.

There were a lot of international students, so we get passports, California driver's license, other state driver's license, um school IDs, as I mentioned, coming through the schools, and some of those are on their phones too.

So you say it doesn't have to have the address, right?

Does it not have to have an image either?

Because if I say I joined uh uh become a member of a museum, and so I have an ID card now.

It says Bob Petty's member of XYZ Museum, but doesn't have my address or phone number or picture or anything.

How do you know who you know if I'm showing my card or the guy down the street who joined the local museum?

I don't know.

That would be under more of the procedural, that would be under the procedure, which goes under the of the four the authority, which is under terms of the um I think the I mean in terms of the applications of this, because that falls into kind of what's you know, applicable when we have our this is the the policy, but the procedures of what is actually considered an identification card would be more under that.

And so that's where we look at you know, if I have a Costco card, is that an identification card?

It's well I have my picture on my Fosco card, right?

But it's not a government issued no identific card or a school issue, it's not something that's uh official kind of authority, it's just not an official document.

So this is where more of like it I in my opinion, like the the authority under that is the where we have a lot of times we have these policies, but then the procedures of implementing a policy we we adapt those through the um through our local procedures and our procedure manual, which trains the staff on the appropriate documents, and and the photo ID and photo ID is something that the staff were keeping.

Yeah, that's something we're asking.

Part of this whole thing is to get consistent with the other libraries.

What do they require for just identification if it's not um address?

Uh well, PG library does use a Costco card, so um, they actually do allow that.

They basically allow any it's has to be a photo ID, but any type of photo ID, so even if it's like yeah, like Costco ID or if it's like a Disneyland annual pass or something and it has their picture on it.

That was a grand free license.

Um that's for Pacific groups, so yeah.

Um but for us, um, we the staff felt more comfortable with it being a more of a official kind of ID like Brian mentioned, but yeah, that's something that the reason why we did make these changes is because we were um quite we had a little bit more barriers, you know, for library card access and so you still have the uh task in front of you to I I did pardon the fund identify what identification is.

Yeah, I mean no, uh no, I think we have a pretty solid, yeah, understanding amongst the staff that it would be a photo ID that's government issued or school issued.

Um I mean if there's a strange case by case, that's kind of when we would refer to Brian's judgment, um, myself, but yeah, it's there is a general kind of there is a general consistent understanding within the staff that they would be looking at government issued if a 17-year-old high school kid wants a library card, um yeah, and maybe they don't have a driver's license yet or something.

What we possibly expect of them.

Well, they usually get a school ID.

Yeah, oh okay, yeah, school ID.

And that has a picture on it, yeah.

Okay, and I mean now it's on their phone, so they just show you know, um, but yeah, it's it's it we talked about that again, that would be a case-by-case kind of basis, so uh, I mean, yeah, we did talk about the need for you know anybody under 18, like we would want to ensure they could still get a card, so yeah, because I could think of situations where the team might want a card, but the parents haven't been and aren't interested in their own cards, yeah.

So mom and dad aren't getting a card, but you know, definitely the the kid wants one, yeah.

And we would definitely want them to get one, so absolutely, yeah.

That's why I was thinking, yeah, but no, most most students I mean they do get issued IDs from schools.

Is that right?

Okay, but the picture on it, huh?

Yeah, yeah, right.

Well, and this policy is uh bottom line is about uh changing the the fee for out of state.

I mean, well, there's the two big changes.

Bottom line, yeah, the fee and then the the removal of the address verification.

Yeah, yeah.

So the out of state fee isn't what it was ten dollars and this is 25.

Yeah.

So that's okay.

And is there anything we do about this?

Just except the second just here was secondary.

We was second reading we would adopt it, so we would first ask if there's any common public comments for regarding this item before we go, um for adoption.

We need a motion to approve them.

Well, we're changing it, we need to approve the change.

Before we do that, this is what do the other libraries charge.

Um, um other libraries charge, they don't.

So they're I believe Carmel does not charge for out of state.

They have a lot of obviously they have a lot of outstate residents too, they're in there, and Pacific Brook, do they allow it?

Yeah, they do allow it but they don't charge.

And this was something that the fee schedule on this was part of the going through where the city was updating the master fee schedule for to match the uh the time it takes to do something.

So if we're looking at this as saying, okay, it takes X number of minutes to do this to process the thing.

This is how much staff time it costs.

So that's where the fee came in here because we already had the fees, so that increased the fee based on the city's recent um updates to master fee schedule.

And we probably have some some information on our card holders as compared to the other two libraries, we're by far a bigger library, right?

With with more, actually it comes up very infrequently that somebody is from out of state and they're looking for a library card.

A lot of people are living here temporarily, which is something we can accommodate because they can use the address.

If they're here for like two months, they can use their address here.

Okay.

Yeah, and so this is like this is a very the number here is in the 25.

This is a this is like happening, you know, what three, four, five times a year.

And it's a monthly fee.

The ten dollars is a monthly fee.

So I assume 25 is right.

It's for one month.

So this is very rarely.

And what one thing I will add on this because our e-resources were we're limited compared to other libraries throughout the state that have a lot of e-resources.

There are a lot of libraries, large library systems that do not allow non-state users to use their library because what they're what they don't want is people to get a library card from outside the state, and then they're sucking up all those resources.

Because that's what they're often getting.

If you don't live here, and like Kim says, if somebody's here is a family who's here for two months, yes, we'll put you know the card where we can accommodate them because they're staying here for two months.

But if they're just visiting for the weekends on vacation, they're not typically getting card for book.

They're gonna get on like access to online resources and then that you know, you're paying that's the kind of the cost in in my opinion, too.

Is that basically that person California State Library helps us like universal card?

That's why everyone allows a card holder in the state of California, and people here from the Honorary Peninsula come here visit their taxpayers, so all of those things that's why it's you know, for us, those cards are all free.

They're paying into it.

If they're outside the state, they're not paying the into the California State Library, they're not paying into these other fees, so that's why I feel it's getting the benefit.

We're getting they're getting the benefit if they got a card from outside the system outside, traveled here, then got queued up into our e-resources, and then our e-resources, which are already limited, get an even longer wait list.

That's that's what I would be concerned about.

So I'm trying to understand the motivation for the charge.

This came from the city wants us to do this.

Well, we we already got a charge of ten dollars.

That's the problem because we already had a because I know we eliminated the funds, and that well, we didn't we didn't eliminate things like late fines for um laptops, telescopes, some of those kind of very specific, but for books, but for books and DVDs, we don't.

So for these, what it is the fee-based library cards, in my opinion, is that because you know the California State Library, and you know, we have like we're on part of a ebook consortium of different libraries throughout the state that pay in.

We all we share catalog, we share resources, Palace Project.

Libby Palace, we're we're sharing resources with other libraries.

Everyone's paying into it through the state.

So we have this universal borrowing system.

So that's free, and that's why we allow free cards for it.

Outside the state.

Those people are not supporting that supporting the state funding, and so if we're charging $25 a month, what it's it's it is a limitation on number of people from outside the state that live outside the state to use our our system, but it's more that we're charging them for the ability to access the ebooks, access e-resources, you know, some of those things.

So that's where I guess thinking of a logic for say Carmel, which has a tremendous number of people from say Texas who come here for the summer.

Um I will say Carmel, like from what I understand their e-resources and some of those things, they charge the fees are charged based on your actual population count.

So e-resources, if you're in Carmel and your population is 2,500 people.

And so if they're charging based on population and 2500 versus 30,000.

So the resident population that's doesn't include people who come to the summer exactly.

People who stay here for 182 days a year, but not a hundred and eighty-three.

Right.

We would don't pay taxes in California because they pay taxes.

So they're they're considered California residents, even though they pay no taxes in California.

Well, they're paying property tax, they're putting property tax and they're paying into, you know, some of those other things.

But I mean, like for them, that's up to a Carmel decision on there.

Those people would probably give us their PO box in Carmel or you know, something like that.

But I I'm saying like those um that the fee in there of you know Carmel as a smaller system when they they got a lot they're we're getting a lot of people applying for library cards remote when during COVID time when people were doing remote cards.

That actually, you know, limits a lot of your, I mean Hoopla and a lot of these other services that they had to end up cutting because there's so many people, they come in, they get a card, they want to use those resources, and they're charged per use.

Those charge per use.

Where in other ones are charged as per capita, and if you're charged per like a per your capital of 22,025, that rates a lot different.

So that's just what where I where I think we come in is that you know, these we want to make it still allow it.

I think it's still fine to allow it, but I feel like the fee is reflective of um, you know, coming people pay into the electronic resources, help pay us into the other services that are here um for the library.

Thank you.

Okay, anything else?

Okay, then I guess we would be asking for public comment first.

Yeah, there's any public comment related to this item on the policy 120.

Please phrase your hand.

There are no public comment.

With that, we'd ask for a motion.

Looking for a motion to adopt.

I move.

Okay, Janie, a second.

Second.

Thank you, Bob.

Okay.

I don't really get a uh we can vote.

Oh, we don't need a roll call.

All in favor.

All right.

And so we are approving revisions to the board policy one point.

Okay.

So revised effective data.

Okay.

Yeah, we'll put it up on the on the update as well.

Okay.

Then we were able to be moving on to approving the timeline and process for the annual evaluation of that.

Which is in the edge and uh, page 22, 23, 24.

Why would we start in slowly?

We are um the look back period is based on the um uh the data fire, which is August 16th.

But we do have a lag so that um we have Janie is leaving us, we'll have a new trustee who will not be participating, having had no prior experience.

So it's going to be very important that we have all four of us here.

Um, the four of us that will remain and Marsha will be on a trip.

I apologize, but yeah, and so we yeah we need to over eight and that's why we're looking at these days and and we did uh from right well at least would be stuff so much I did I did run it by HR and they were fine with they they wanted the um the surveys and the evaluation to apply to the 365 day period that ends in August but they were fine with us uh putting a gonna take a little gap there until we could all be present to analyze what so regardless of what's scheduled for September and October the review period is August August right so um so one of the um the the biggest question is availability for um the two closed sessions when we meet one is our regular yeah uh meeting time so that should not be a problem we should all be uh present for October 22nd anyway because that's when we would normally meet the October 30th uh one is up for discussion to make sure that everybody before we finalize that we need to make sure that everyone can commit to it.

As long as it's not on Halloween either.

So that's the 30th that's a Friday night.

I thought it was a Thursday.

No is it's a Friday just like last time you're looking at last year's time I know I remember I did do that 2026 already.

I have October 30th on Friday you sure do all right um twenty and is that all right depends what time of the day it doesn't matter to me well we can uh okay and we can set the the date and the time I just want to make it a week later I mean a week after the we could make it the Thursday just to keep Thursday after our 22nd meeting make it the 29th for night uh um yes sorry are we okay with the 30th during the day right and I don't know what time of day we want to do it this is when we would be reviewing with Brian so we're we've already done our work he's already seen it and we would be running through uh and that meeting does take um we do usually spend at least an hour and a half on it I think um so we could uh well since it's going to be attended by you Brian do you have any uh issue with Friday afternoon the 30th of October at least at this point at this point I think the only um as long as it's like you know four o'clock and a similar time I think is is good we're you know possibly gonna we're looking at doing a uh potential museum event and easy start a little earlier yeah which you were earlier yeah and you could go celebrate afterwards so maybe it's we do it at three yeah I don't know what time you're planning for that event.

Oh probably it's probably later in the morning that would just give us plenty of time before the okay so we'll non-automated announcement that ding the library's gonna close in 17 and a half minutes or something.

Um but you're earlier than that or fine with me.

Yeah maybe that's better if you have to set up for an event maybe just oh well I I typically pick up Derek at school too so I can so one o'clock time is better which yeah actually you can call the time I think we're all okay flexible I would just say let's not start in later than three or three thirds.

Yeah.

Just I'm just verifying earlier.

Sorry, I'm just looking at the Sorry.

Um Friday.

And school is generally dismissed at three ten.

So on Friday, so I could either do like if we did, I feel like if we did one o'clock, one o'clock that would be finished before you go picking up instead of starting afterwards.

Yeah, that would be late morning is okay with me also.

Yep.

If you prefer late morning, that's fine.

Yeah, I think um, let's make sure I think it's also, yeah, this uh I think yeah, 10 o'clock is also fine.

I don't know if trustees have a preference for morning or afternoons, but I yeah, I think 10 of 10 a.m.

is fine for me.

Okay, you prefer 10?

I do.

Okay.

All right, let's talk about 10 a.m.

Okay for you.

Right, that's the last time I'm crossing it out.

Yeah, yeah, 10 o'clock is fine because you might have to go in.

Yeah, and it's closed.

Yeah, the one on the 22nd is gonna be closed.

Okay, one thing.

I'm assuming that it's swimming up the sharks in the 10 o'clock.

No, it's probably the sharks at sunrise.

Oh, um, one of the things that Bob mentioned was that uh the the spread between when we're going to be looking at this and our look back period, which ends in the middle of August.

Do we want to try and get the well we won't we would be able to get the packets to the trustees earlier?

If there's a preference for that, or do we feel like we would be back?

Well, we um we send the results of the surveys and ask for um and self-evaluation and then ask for the trustees to and right now it's scheduled for October 15th, and you're saying we should do it earlier.

Well, I'm asking you if you want to or need to because the evaluation period is actually it's the eighth of it.

If nobody cares, I'd like to leave it, but it's okay, but about the packets, this has come up before you were sent separate comments from the actual uh statistics, and I they collect it as one unit, and I want to have that correlation, so I would prefer to have the raw data also rather than have the comments stripped out and put in the bundle by themselves.

Okay, because what last year they did full-time and part time separately, is that what you're talking about?

No, no, no.

They put the comments out from the data.

Do you want like an image of the one?

Okay, he wants the raw data.

Well, we get the numbers, but you're saying the numbers and the words were separated, and you want to combine uh together.

Well, the comments were a separate item pertain to the yeah.

So it went number one, and number two is do you have comments about this, right?

So I mean it was a little weird, but so questions one and two were really relating to the same yeah, issue that's that's called or same aspect of the evaluation.

I don't know that was something to do with the way they they because we are talking about the HR, yeah.

So they probably have a standard.

Okay, because when I was the chair after that data came and I said, can you not have that?

She sent it to me.

Yeah, so if it was a doctor issue, then she can you send it to everybody else.

I did.

So if there's one issue three years ago, whatever it was, they would go what was it?

Yeah, it should be now.

That's just ask them that they can do it.

Right.

The main thing is to have the names it anonymous.

Other than that, there are any yeah, it's just a matters organizing the two types of data.

In the mini bundles that they or pairings, I guess I should say.

Okay, sure, we want to do that.

Sure.

Okay.

And the HRP are the same as the it is, yes.

I've already been in touch with MK.

So she's yeah, yeah.

She was all over it.

Yeah.

Well good.

Okay, is there anything else about that?

We're we're picking 10 o'clock on the 30th for the that meeting.

Right.

And then the meeting when we do our work of finalizing a draft would be 22nd, isn't it?

Would be the um 22nd at four o'clock, like we are like our regularly scheduled meeting.

Yeah, and we just make the agenda already on your calendars.

Yeah, so we don't like take up all the time we have today discussing stuff on an agenda.

We made all those possible.

Yeah, that's all we would be talking about.

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

Well, then I think and there's nothing to approve or move on.

So anything else questions for the uh for this project.

About about this, yeah.

I'm not sure what's it called.

Um, we are supposed to approve it.

So we need to vote.

Oh, we do, oh, oh, approved timeline and process.

Okay.

Yeah.

And if we see if there's any public comment related to this agenda topic, please raise your hand.

There are no public comments.

Okay.

So we can have a motion.

Then we'd be looking for a motion to, okay.

Marsha, and Bob seconds.

All in favor.

Aye.

I opposed.

All right.

All right.

Well, thank you.

That takes care of most of our business, so we would be moving on to trustee comments.

Anybody have any questions?

I wanna thank Janie for her service for sure.

Is this your last?

Yeah, you are most welcome.

Um pleasure it has been.

Pleasure and an honor to know you and to work together.

Yeah, well, thank you all so much.

It was a very interesting and rewarding experience for me.

Oh no.

I learned a lot.

How long were you on on the board?

Sorry, how long are you interested?

For you, thank you.

Yeah, it would be very much.

Anybody else?

Oh, anybody else want?

Oh, probably about any comments, no, no, sorry, trusty comments.

Any other trusted comments?

Oh, okay.

I uh I was going to um uh comment on how great the teen interns have been with the summer reading project.

It's been so great to see them in there every day and um and I know that that has something to do with their requirements, right?

Are they okay?

So, um, so I uh something I noticed in the um uh in the statistics was the our um uh library card holders using the um the patron app is actually down and it's also a teensy tiny percentage of the total circulation, and so I was wondering if maybe they could do like a little coaching, uh extend after summer reading and maybe maybe do a week or two of signing people up and helping them put the app on their phones and show them how to use it.

Yeah, um if that would be um something because it's actually down 31%, and it was only like four or five hundred um items checked out compared to like eight thousand um through the self-check.

So I mean it's the like doesn't even register, yeah.

Yeah, I will say that the app the machine is actually faster than the app.

Oh, okay.

Because the app you it does uses it's a camera checkout, so it scans each item individually, then cycles.

And uh self-checkout you can stack your items.

Yeah, okay.

So it's okay.

But I I will say the app, I'm pretty sure that actually the one thing, and I I can talk with Melissa and Kim and you know Andrea is, you know, when they film a video, because oftentimes their teams are also filming like social media content.

So I find updating a video on the app, I think would like using the app might be a good way for them to do that too.

Um just for us to update update that content, like on the web, you know, like on our on our um, you know, we could do some more on that to help train people on using that resource, but you could actually use it at Pacific Grove and Carmel.

Because we're all in code.

Yeah, okay.

So it's a way for us to kind of like I mean a flyer, maybe update some of our flyer information on some of that too.

Because we need more better re update and how to do it, but I think you know, you need to get new people to use it to add it on there.

Yeah, and I would say to add a little bit about what it does, but what it doesn't do because like was upset because I can't look up the catalog and see what it has.

Yeah.

Well, one thing that's weird, um, since we're talking about catalogs and systems and everything, uh, not infrequently I'll get a text that says you have a book due on a certain day, and this book is not uh available for renewal, basically saying so get it back to us.

Uh huh.

When I go on my account on Koha, I guess it is, it not only says that the book is available for me to redo, it says it's gonna be auto renewed, and to me there's a conflict there.

And um, one's telling me no way return it by the due date, and the other one's saying there are three renewals left, Bob.

Help yourself.

Yeah, and it also says it's gonna be auto-renewed if you forget basically.

Some message that's from the error.

So something is and I asked David, and he said the ladder that's on is the correct one that if it says you have two or three or whatever um um renewals available or that it's going to be auto-renewed, that's accurate.

It's the other thing that says no way you gotta get it in by the due date that is somehow being sent out.

And he said it's two different systems.

Yes, and I guess I would just bring that to whoever's attention.

That could be confusing to somebody that checks there.

Is it possible that the message and will I put a hold on it cancels it?

So then you look in the goal and there's nothing.

Is that a possibility?

Wait, I didn't follow that, I'm sorry.

And between the time you get the oh and you're checking my account.

Somebody has withdrawn a hold.

Well, it would have to happen like within 30 seconds.

They come out some things.

In fact, I wondered if that was the case.

Um but um, yeah.

I think that's something for us to just we can look into behind the scenes because it could be regarding the standardized language that would go out on the text, because there are certain things like the same way on our email notifications, there's standard lines of text that you put on there in terms of there, and then there's the other stuff that comes in when it codes and it figures that it's communicating with the system.

So we would have to see on there what's communicating with it.

But yes, it's a third-party service that you log, you register for the SMS text message service, you register for that service.

Not everybody gets it, signs it and then it sends it out.

So we would have to investigate that.

Yeah, I can I can talk to David if I can we can find it.

Okay, then uh we'd be looking for if there is library director comment.

Yeah, so I would just highlight um trust the petty as I pass out the flyers regarding the pride events happening on Sunday and Monday.

So if you guys want to grab one of each and pass them over for any attendees in here as well as any all the trustees, um so those are happening Sunday, register online and or Monday.

The registration is still open on the lib balls for these events.

Okay, so there is still space.

They're both on the events page.

Yep.

Um I'll also have not on the calendar though.

No, we didn't have them finalized by that time.

We were ahead of the sound, so we've got those were just kind of quite finalized recently.

We uh want to highlight that I just got word that I got a hundred thousand dollars grant for the museum for for um necessary work where we have the Monterey mural, which is the granito mural, which is on the back of the Monterey Conference Center, which is having the tile was coming off right, and we needed funding to help remove the tile as well as the reinstallation.

So I applied for a community foundation grant.

Just got word uh about an hour ago, they got 50,000 towards the removal 50,000 towards installation.

And that was um really great because we had a gap in terms of the funding needed for all of the removing and care and all of that.

So this is great.

It's wonderful.

I'm sorry, who did it come from?

Community foundation Monterey County.

Oh, yeah, so that funding for them.

It's a two-year grant, so one year, first years regarding removal, second year is regarding is towards installation on the project.

So very good because you know, this is hard to find funding for art projects and things like that for this scale.

So are we putting the same tiles back after they're cleaned and polished, and yeah, but it'll be all the way down?

I'll have to take it all the way down.

Um, yeah, yeah, it really is.

That's all I was uh wanted to ask.

So the picture will be the same.

The picture will be the same.

One of the pieces that I did put in there was fund a signage that actually says that talks about yeah the it's give more information on the mural.

Says it was partially funded by community foundation, you know, and then having information to how people can learn more about the mural.

Oh, sign in front of a piece of art.

Well, you're really asking for confusion.

Yeah, sign it in the burn going back to our well, no, but a sign like we have these interpretive signs on different things.

So they there is a sign off to the left too, which has like two or the original, so all of that, and then on um, when I highlight July 1st, we're gonna have a four o'clock over at Colton Hall or at once of July.

Oh, yeah, there's gonna be Clinton Hall flag.

So if you saw it, oh, yeah, it was on uh HPW, and then they'll have it come out on the weekly.

We'll have an article about the flags on July 2nd, I believe, because we're doing it for the fourth of July issue.

But we have some historic flags, and also just there's a couple, just a few.

There's a few historic flags that we have on display, as well as uh information about what flags have flown in Monterey.

So replicas, but it's just a way to get people inside of Colton Hall.

Um, the large flag that's on display is about eight foot by twelve foot from John C.

Fremont.

There's a one spread on the table, yeah.

And then there's a um a flag that's from 1850 from California becoming 31st state, and there's a flag that's from Mexico from Alta California from between 1823 to 1846, and then the last original one we have is the small piece of the last Mexican flag to fly in California, and under under Mexican um occupation, and then we have the drawing of the California bear flag.

Are none of those flags in good enough condition to raise on a poll?

Yeah, yes, none of them are.

I would say the California flag is it was one that was done for a decoration at that time.

It was not built as an actual flag.

The uh Mexican flag is a long and skinny flag that most likely hung in an office and didn't hang on a pole.

It would have been inside, like above, probably inside of a municipal building or like a government building.

And the other one, the eight by twelve foot flag, yeah, extremely fragile, which it's I mean it's from 18 probably made at about 1843 to 1845.

That's when it was actually made.

So this and this thing is huge and filled with patches and actually hand sewn and then hand sewn onto a liner.

So is it are you gonna be open on the fourth itself?

Yeah.

So on July 4th, and people are there.

If you're there visiting on July 4th, go inside and just see a piece of California history.

So the library is still closed on the board, but the museum will be open.

Museum is open.

By code, Colton Hall is open, I believe 362 days a year.

So they're typically not open Christmas, thanks, Thanksgiving.

One other day.

The Pride events again aren't just show up and take a seat.

Or registered, yeah.

Is that the way the uh the was that the um attendance procedure we used a year ago?

When we had the event over on uh Canary Row.

Pre-registration.

Yeah, I mean, if you show up and you look legit, we'll talk to you on like that.

We have to make sure that we are asking people to pre-register.

Give me a list of the changes I need to make to look legit.

It's not possible, but possible dream, right?

I'll say, you know, we often depending on the events.

Like a lot of we're trying to manage our space and our attendees on a lot of these things.

Yeah, and we've run into that with space issues on a lot of our different programs this summer.

So we have hitting the cap.

Hitting the cap.

We've been hitting the cap on a lot of programs, and so we want to make sure that we are a problem to have you don't have people coming and not being able to get in.

So on Sunday the dry clean, is that gonna be in the community room?

Yes.

And uh because the other one says community room.

Yeah, uh, they'll both be on in the community room.

Okay, but they will since the library's not open to the public because it's not our normal open hours.

They will we'll have somebody at the door letting people through.

Yeah, yeah, because I was just gonna say that libraries closed at 11 o'clock on Sundays usually.

It's also supposed to be here.

On Monday mornings, it's closed too for that matter.

Everybody who's there, celebrating pride, and if you don't want to be celebrating pride, you don't have to come.

Right.

Okay.

But I think that wraps it up.

And we will adjourn the meeting, but please stay where you are because we've got okay.