So let's go ahead and get started.

We're calling meeting to order.

Uh and let's see.

Can we start Elizabeth by uh getting some direction on how to participate?

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Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh and let's see, no Rick yet.

So at this point, uh, can we go ahead and do uh roll call, please?

Certainly.

Patrick Aldinger.

I'm here.

Thomas Bruneau.

Uh I'm here.

Carol Trebajan.

Here.

And Michael Baum and Rick Hoyer for now are absent.

Thank you very much.

Uh we'll start with our consent agenda of one item, approval of the minutes from April 20th, 2026.

Those were distributed prior to this morning's meeting.

Umless there are any comments, uh questions, uh, or edits, I'd be looking for a motion to approve those, please.

So moved.

Seconded.

We have a motion and a second.

Any discussion?

Any uh any public comment on the minutes.

No one in chambers, no one online.

Thank you.

Uh can we go ahead then with uh a roll call vote, please?

Patrick Aldinger.

Yes.

Thomas Bruneau.

Uh yes.

Carol Trabajian, yes.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Motion passes.

At this point, uh we uh ask uh for any public comment on any items that uh fall under the purview of the measure PNS Oversight Committee, but are not on today's agenda.

Do we have any such public comment online?

Nobody is online.

I see no one in chambers.

So we'll uh move on to uh the main part of the agenda item number two, review the periodic report and unaudited expenditures from July first, 2025 through June 15th, 2026.

Rafaela.

Good morning.

Okay, um we're gonna talk about so I'm gonna go over the little report first and then go through the tables.

Um first I just want to make sure that we are all aware that measure P and S um ends at March 31st, 2027.

Um council has approved the resolution to place it on the ballot for November 2026.

So I think I'm not getting ahead of myself.

Okay.

Um so from inception um from through June 15th, and just know that this is not through the end of the fiscal year because we still have to close out the books and we're gonna be expecting the last couple of tax payments in um July and August.

Okay.

Um so total revenue including revenue from um including interest, 118.1 million total expenditures over the life, uh 90.6 million and fund balance was 27.5 million.

Uh for the period of July 1, 2025 through June 15th, 2026.

Our total revenue was 10 10 million one hundred and seventy-three thousand three hundred and ninety-nine dollars.

Our total expenditures was two million eight hundred fifteen dollars and five hundred two hundred and fifteen thousand uh five hundred and thirty-nine.

And the change in fund balance was an increase of seven point three million.

And moving on to the tables.

Um, what makes up the 2.8 million storm drains revenue um expenditures was 292,226 for this period through June 15.

Sidewalks, 233,846,000.

Pavements was spent 885,598.

And for ADA improvements, uh 1.4 million.

And at the bottom table, you have year over year comparison from uh for the last four year fiscal years through June 15th.

So the difference between um June 15, 2025 and 2026.

Um total tax revenue difference um 9.1 million and 25 and 9.4 million in 26.

So a difference of um 269,000, a three percent increase.

Interest um in 25, we earned 589,000 in 2026, 767,000.

So a difference of 178,000, a 30 percent increase.

Um so that total increase of 447,000 between um tax revenue and interest revenue, so a 5% increase overall.

Um for expenditures from 2025, we spent um 571,000 um for 2026, 292,000 decrease of 279,000 sidewalks 400,000 was spent in 25, 233,000 um in 26 a d decrease of 166,000 or pavement.

Um we spent 5.1 million in 2025, 885,000 in 26, a decrease of 4.2 million, and for 88 improvements, 2.4 million was spent in 2025, um, and 1.4 million in 2026 thus far.

So difference of 1.

Um million, 1 million 48,000.

So total decrease um expenditure is 5.7 um 45 million, so 67 percent decrease from um 25 through 26.

And let's see.

Those are the highlights.

Would you like to go over the details for each one?

I don't I don't know that that's necessary.

I there are uh I know I have at least one question, and uh perhaps yeah, others on the the committee do as well, and I'll I'll I'll go ahead and start.

Yep.

And I think we've talked about this uh before, and uh I just want to make sure that I am correct.

You know, what's what stands out to me here is on uh the expenditures uh pavement expenditures uh far less than than historically we've been been doing, and I know there's still a year-end reconciliation to happen on that that may be part of it.

Uh but uh I'm I'm assuming that uh based on on this lower number of actual expenditures that we have quite a bit in the pipeline.

Is that is that accurate?

Yeah, that's accurate.

Um we have we've had a few contracting delays.

Um can't really a little unclear why the reason it takes so long for contractors to sign up, but we have about this much work queued up.

Um we have RSR 26 that's a oh uh big chunk of change, wave streets on suspension, and I'll kind of go through some of the the details on our update.

But um, yeah, it's it's just a timing thing.

Um we do have a lot of work queued up.

Uh my my concern uh the just by nature I guess uh is that if if if others in in on city staff or or some of our elected officials, elected leaders see that uh uh that we're not spending that money that uh that many perhaps is available for another purpose, and uh we want to be very careful about that, of course.

Well, yeah, that and then my question then is because um the ADA is so much is higher than normally isn't the ADA has to go with sidewalk and pavement when you're doing X amount on this on a sidewalk or over 40 percent, and you have to do the ADA compliance that goes with it.

And we've spent it seems like we're doing more ADA than we are in in the other area, and again, is that just catching up then?

Those were signalized intersections, which costs a lot more money.

Okay, yeah, all right.

That yeah, that's what I yeah, okay.

I might need that soon.

Don't walk now.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

Anything else, Carol?

No, good, okay.

Anything Thompson?

Okay, great.

Okay, anything else uh on this item from you, Rafaela.

No, that concludes my report.

Okay, then uh uh unless there are any other questions or comments would be looking uh for a motion to accept uh the periodic report and unaudited expenditures from July 1st, 2025 through June 15, 2026.

I move.

Second.

Any discussion?

Any public comment, Elizabeth.

Nobody's online.

We uh roll call vote, please.

Patrick Aldinger.

Yes, Thomas Bruneau.

Uh yes.

Carol Trebajan.

Yes.

Thank you.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Item three review street rehabilitation and reconstruction reconstruction reports for 2026.

There we go.

Max.

Yes.

Okay.

Um as attachments to your packets, you'll have our pavement condition index table or last maintenance date table.

Um showing our network and current PCIs, um, last maintenance treatments and last maintenance dates.

Um this is almost up to speed we were able to complete um North Fremont at the city limits.

That project was completed um in this last quarter, as well as um the other end.

Um two separate contracts.

So North Fremont is an up to date in this table.

Um everything else is the best data we have.

Um are there any questions on the total pavement condition index table?

Uh one here.

That promised informative.

Yeah.

But I don't have any questions.

They the one I and again, I just go back as far as pavement condition index is and I I actually took some customers on Aguajito the other day to show them a shortcut to the airport from Pebble Beach.

And they're like, are you kidding me?

And again, I know upper Aguajito, but still down Mount Holland down there, it's horrifying.

Yeah, and I think it's accurately represented.

There's a segment that does zero.

And it's a true zero right.

Might as well be a gravel road.

Um, yeah, we're working on a rehabilitation design right now.

Uh it's that's gonna be an expensive effort.

That's gonna require um either full reconstruction or some sort of reclamation.

Like what we like to do is the FDR full depth reclamation where we utilize on-site materials to recreate a base and then pave over that.

It's just a long stretch of road.

Um, it's in the queue.

Um it's gonna, yeah, we don't have a detailed cost estimate on it, but a fair bit of mall Holland is also ours.

Um so yeah, it's in the queue.

We found that out actually that part of part of it is ours and part of it isn't.

Yes.

Yes.

That's again that's like I mean, that's my neighborhood.

I'm North Fremont.

That's like when Seaside did uh North Fremont down to Canyon Del Rey, and then we didn't.

And I said something to Hansy goes, it's them, that's not us.

I'm like, oh okay.

And now we have, but it it yeah, yeah.

It gets it's funky.

It is funky.

Yeah, yes.

Anything else?

All right, well, we're moving right along today.

Uh and then the uh let me speak to the um the other item is the upcoming payment projects.

Yeah, um just give you some status updates on that.

Like I spoke to the two North Fremont that were previously on here, were completed.

Um we we began the Wave Street ADA and pavement rehabilitation project.

We completed several curb ramps and that work suspended due to the high impact during summer.

Um so that won't that'll be on suspension.

No work will take place until after Labor Day on that project.

Um Cass and El Dorado.

Um that's currently out to bid.

We've postponed it um a couple of times.

We're working with Calliam as identified that they need to replace likely replace a main from El Dorado, that's from Pacific to CAS, and then their main on CAS from El Dorado all the way up to Munris.

So Calam has a pretty big project um that they're gonna maybe likely prioritize and we're gonna pave after they're completed.

Um so that'll push off our paving a bit.

We're still gonna proceed with bidding um and let the contractor proceed with the work that isn't in conflict, like some of the ADA ramp work.

Uh, and then we don't we don't want to pave until Callium comes through and trenches.

Um so that the final pavement won't likely be completed until 2027, but we're still gonna try to line a contractor up for that work.

And do and do we know has has Calam scheduled that work yet?

They said uh we haven't got final confirmation.

They said they if they proceed with design, design would be completed by the end of this year.

They'd bid early 2027 and it'd be like a spring 2027 uh project for them.

Do they since they're digging up, do they have to don't they have to pay for some of that too?

Um just their their trench restoration type of work.

Um yeah, that's it.

Um they've just got it back the way it was, which is bad.

Yeah.

I mean, it'll be fairly quilted once they're out of there, and then we'll come in and do our work to get it to be a comprehensive final product.

Um yeah, so while it's frustrating that it's a delay, it's really good that they're gonna be proactive about it.

Uh we would hate to pay even then the follow-up within a year or two.

Um that's always worst case scenario.

So um delays aren't ideal, but we're glad that they're gonna be proactive.

They've had a couple issues with the main down there.

So it's good.

It's gonna be amazing on Cass Street.

I mean, given how how bad it is now and how central it is to cut from Del Monty Center down.

And yeah, we're excited.

It's gonna be it's gonna be everyone's gonna know when work's taking place there.

It's gonna be impactful, but uh, we're excited for the final product.

Obviously, it's gotta be done.

I mean that's that's such a messed up road now.

Yeah, yeah.

After you see your doctor, you don't have to go see a dentist again for diatrist and eyes and the whole nine yards.

Yeah, no.

I spend a lot of time on Cast Street.

I think a lot of people do.

Um the other project that is in contracting, um we're anticipating being able to um issue a notice to proceed within the upcoming weeks, um, is RSR 26.

That's a true citywide um road resurface project.

Um that touches Deer Flats, Del Monty Grove, Fisherman Flats, Oak Grove, Monta Vista, Little Domani, Ryan Ranch.

Uh so that's a great project.

Um McKim Corporation uh was the low bidder on that project.

Um really good pricing, competitive bids.

Um, so we're excited to get that one off.

That'll probably be the next one in construction.

We that one doesn't have the the downtown lower new Monterey type of impacts.

Um, so we won't suspend it.

So we'll authorize that work to proceed as soon as possible.

So that that's that one's imminent.

Is that yes?

Great.

Okay.

Yeah, pretty pretty comprehensive.

Yeah.

Thanks.

That's all for me.

All right.

Anything, Carol, Thomas.

Okay, then uh uh I'll go ahead and make the motion this time to uh receive the street rehabilitation and reconstruction reports for 2026 as presented.

Do we have a second?

Second.

Uh any public comment.

Nobody online.

Thank you.

Go ahead and take uh, unless there's any uh further discussion, we'll go ahead and take a vote, please.

Patrick Aldinger.

Yes, Thomas Bruneau?

Uh yes.

Carol Chabossian.

Yes.

Okay.

Uh item number four.

Uh back to Rafaelo, sales tax update for quarter four.

Okay, so here is our um our newsletter basically for our sales tax update for the fourth quarter of 2025.

Um for Monterey, our um taxes were 2.4 million, which is um below 1.9% below um fourth quarter of 2025.

And it is um the county was point nine percent higher than 2025, and the state was at 1.1% um higher.

Um the main thing, the difference was um from October through December, there was a 3.5% below the fourth sales permit, um, fourth sales is due to um reporting of operations, basically corrections within prior periods and things, so that's true from 3.5 down to um 1.9% or 48,000.

So it's not significant dollar wise.

Um, but there and then it's also there's a local business that reported 65,000 of decline in sales tax um for that, but it was a one-time thing for one year, so the next year didn't match up.

So that's the major difference.

If you can look at um well, measure P our total up um 4.5%, and then measure G um uh 5.2%.

The top five producers, this is all in alphabetical order.

Um from the businesses in the city are listed.

And draw your attention to the chart on the back side for the revenue by business groups.

Um as you can see, the residents uh restaurants have 40% of the taxes.

That's the largest pool.

The next one would be um consumer goods at 19%, pools are 17%.

Um and then there is fuel and uh food and drug, which and autos and transportation, which are all at 5%, and then the rest is building and built um business industry.

Um the top non confidential business types for Q4 of 2025.

You'll see the casual dining comes in at the top, followed by hotels and motels, service stations, electronics and appliance stores, leisure entertainment, quick service restaurants, family apparel, um specialty stores, grocery stores, and then fine dining.

And you can see the changes where I'm up or down from the um prior fiscal year.

Green arrows going up, and then the red one, some decreases.

And this is just an FYI just for year.

I see one uh in the top 25.

I don't know what that re I'd be interested to know from you what it represents.

But Mercedes Benz of Monterey is gonna take a chunk out of us when they move to Marina.

Yes.

Yeah, do we know when that's happening yet?

Two years, three years, two years.

I don't think they've even broken ground on it, but it's a couple of years.

Yeah.

But that's a yes.

As soon as I heard that, the first thing I thought about was like, oh, our beloved sales tax is well also keep in mind that the Mercedes um bins across the street from It's still gonna be there.

The one right by no no, the one down by McDonald's with the van.

Yes, the Mercedes vans, that one is still there.

That's gonna still be there.

Yes.

Yeah, but that's no offense.

That's only sprinters.

I understand.

They aren't buying as many sprinters as they are cars.

I understand.

Yeah.

And they're and they're more affordable than the cars, too.

Yeah.

So we are we we keep in mind, um, we meet quarterly with uh HDL.

Um, so we keep in mind what's happening in and and try and make some concessions or trying at least planning so that we can find out what to what we can do moving forward and what other businesses can't come into the city to kind of replace that income.

So we are on top of it as much as we can be.

Uh Middlebury solid.

My understanding is um it was still everything was still in flux.

And so um I can't speak on on that.

The last time I was told something, it was like it's not final yet, so don't say anything.

And so I kind of data dumped it until it's fine.

Well, I only say that because if it is, it'll still keep it off the tax rules.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's I'm only only interested is is it available to go back retail or are we gonna stay off the tax?

No, I'm I'm hearing that it's gonna stay.

I'm gonna stay that way.

All right.

And and is there is there any word yet at this point what is going to happen with the property where Mercedes is now?

Not right now.

It's gonna be for rent.

Yeah.

I have a question on this outlet, this building and construction group that relocated I mean it's just a idle curiosity on the first page.

Meanwhile, the building and construction groups results were impacted by one outlet which relocated to another jurisdiction.

Any idea what I don't remember which what's no big deal.

I mean, it's just idle curiosity, I figured ask.

Well, it is what it is.

Um our sales tax update.

Uh right, then uh looking for a motion to uh receive that uh update as presented.

So moved.

Seconded.

Uh we have a motion and second any discussion.

Any public comment.

Nobody online.

Uh roll call vote, please.

Patrick Aldinger.

Yes.

Thomas Bruneau.

Yes.

Carol Trebajan.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh motion carries.

All right.

So uh last item on our agenda is uh uh committee member comments, and I am going to lead off uh as we can ask questions for clarification.

I failed to realize what we were doing when we moved through uh uh item number three without uh looking at uh some of the the uh detailed work that was going on and and I'm wondering if it is appropriate.

Just ask for some clarification on a a couple of those items at this point.

All right.

Uh seeing no opposition to that idea, that's what we're gonna do.

We just don't want to violate.

And and I'll I'll lead off here.

Um I I want to look at uh looking at storm drains right storm drains right now.

Um there are a few entries here for uh pump station work, and I know this has come up before.

Uh and and I I guess I'm just asking for reconfirmation or uh clarification that um of what type of work on the storm drains uh falls under the the the purview of of uh measure PNS funds and and and if there's any part of that that does not and I'm looking at you know in particular one question is the uh a pump station uh as opposed to the you know the the the the physical storm drain itself uh if we uh you know if we're uh uh if we're doing maintenance on a pump, uh uh doing a replacement of a pump, um and uh so that's one question, and and just uh so that you don't have to get up and down, Andrew.

Uh another one I have is what the heck is a story pool on pump station 11.

So I'll I'll take the first one, I'll let Max take the second one.

So pump station 11 is part of our storm drain system.

Uh it's connected to El Estero and it pumps water from the lake to the ocean across Domani.

And it's it's part of our storm drain system.

So the storm drain isn't just the pipes that are underground, it's it's everything that's connected, it's the inlets, it's the pump stations, it's the pipes, it's the natural channels.

Um so everything that conveys water um is part of our storm drain system.

So it is an eligible expense, and it's a critical piece of infrastructure.

If that fails, Domani fails or floods in a heavy rainfall event.

And so that pump station's at the end of its life.

And uh uh, you know, fingers crossed, PS renews, and we'll have the funding to actually rehab it right now.

We're still in the design phase.

So um in the next year or two when we actually go out to construction, that's when we'll see a lot of uh expenditures for storm drain to actually rehabilitate that pump station.

Uh Max, you want to talk about the story polls?

The story file.

I accept that.

Thank you.

I was my question was what is where is pump station 11?

Yeah.

I wish I could give you more context than just the little notes that are in here, but yeah, that's because there's a lot of money and going to pump station 11, which indicates it needs really does need to be replaced.

Yeah, I um would encourage you if you've had a chance to watch the old uh state of the infrastructure council meetings uh around May every year.

We say, you know, here's what our infrastructure looks like.

I've got some photos that we present to council of that at the inside of that pump station, and you can see uh that there's like intakes that are are just patched together and leaking.

And so it's been a couple of years.

We're just kind of holding our breath during the winter that it's not going to critically fail.

And so uh so I should save all my chewing gum for you.

Yes, please.

That should be in there.

That'd be helpful.

Okay, Max.

And that story pool from Whitson Engineers.

Um, that was a surveying effort where they construct temporary um, you know, they use um stakes and they they kind of this project's gonna require a pump house, a little building.

Um, so it's a surveying effort to kind of show the the height of the building.

Um so that's what those story pools are called.

Maybe add a context.

It's been a long journey to get to the point where we're at final design.

Uh says Max uh alluded to there'll be uh some above ground infrastructure, and that triggered some architectural review.

It's part of that process.

We had uh go through a couple of iterations, how best to screen these utility box some of the more industrial looking things uh at Lake El Estero.

And ultimately what's been approved is enclosing it in a house, so it's gonna look like a little lake house.

And part of that process, we had to put survey stakes to show the uh community how well kind of the the the elevation of this house is gonna be and what it's gonna, I guess, at least the footprint, how it's gonna look next to the lake.

So we had those up for 30 days or two months, yeah.

So those are the stakes with the fluorescent orange netting.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Like you have to do with your house if you're gonna come in.

Okay, yeah.

Just so anyone can protest it if they don't like it.

Yes.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks.

And and my last question, uh comment on this is you know, there are uh uh number of entries uh expenditures to interns.

Uh you know, nothing huge.

Uh my only question on that is when uh when we have interns who work with you all, uh is that um with the the likelihood or the the intent at least that this is someone uh who may then become uh uh on the payroll of the city at some point.

Ideally, yeah.

Uh I an internship program, it's kind of a nice way to bring students in before they graduate uh to kind of get them some real world experience and for us to kind of gauge and try out prospective new employees.

So we have a couple interns that have come back summer over summer, and you know, best case scenario, they they want to come back and actually become a full-time employee.

Uh worst case scenario, they gain a little bit of experience, we get a little bit of cheap labor, and you know, they go off and do other great things.

Yeah, it seems seems like uh yeah, an inexpensive way to uh yeah to to do a little bit of that research.

That's all I have.

Carol.

I have some um yeah, thank you.

The pump station 11 was my and I had a question that question.

Uh pavement, what was a refund check from PGE?

I think I thought you had that one.

So we forgot what the exact application was.

PGE sometimes asks for deposit when we're doing uh any sort of work.

So uh this was for a pavement project.

Yeah, this may have been relocating a vault or a box.

In any case, they're they're not supposed to charge us uh as part of our franchise agreement when they have utilities in the right-of-way.

And so I think I think there was a project two years or so ago where they actually we made the deposit and then they cut us a check and refunded us um for the work.

And what is um material testing?

I can speak to that one.

That's um quality assurance during construction, um, where we have labs testing like the asphalt materials or concrete or subgrade um to ensure we're getting quality work before you put it down or um during construction, during construction, okay.

And then what is a um measure PS monument?

That means we're gonna be out there and it's got no kidding with Mike Morata.

Our little with Mike Morata, right?

Yeah, Mount Rushmore with our likenesses on there, yeah.

Um we're obligated to maintain our our centerline monuments.

Um it's a surveying marker in the pavement.

Um, so we have to hire surveyors before and after construction to ensure they're not disturbed.

Um yeah, it's just one of our obligations.

Uh okay.

I I I never see them like this a monument.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, and then ADA.

Oh, this is an um HANA Gardens, California Gold Gravel.

That's the Mexican rock at the chip at the they get they get better than we do.

Uh ADA.

What is it?

We we talked about this during the last meeting.

It it's uh forget which neighborhood we were.

It was this was a residential fronting area where they had uh this P gravel okay in their landscaped area, and when we built the ramps, we had to replace some of that P gravel.

Okay, all right.

Um what are we doing in ADA tree services?

West Coast Arborist.

How is tree service related to ADA?

Sure.

So we oftentimes have to um prune roots.

So when we excavate to put in the ramps, uh we'll oftentimes have to have tree service to prune roots or actually even above ground uh prune tree branches so that there's clearance.

Okay, all right.

Thank you.

That's it for me.

That's it.

Anything else?

All right.

Anything any other uh not related to uh that report uh that that we want to uh ask a question on or give feedback before we adjourn here um I don't know how to say how are how are we we know we want measure PS, whatever it is, renewed.

How are we feeling and where or what is happening in terms of city council and what we need to do?

Is it yeah, is is this on tomorrow night's agenda?

PNS I didn't look.

I believe I should know that.

I should look myself.

I'm thinking that we just had the um they're all mushing together right now.

Um I believe it is on tomorrow's agenda.

Okay, yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

Yeah, we're gonna have the special meeting.

Yeah, we did have a special meeting.

Yeah.

That you forgot to remind me.

Yeah, when FM3 was here, we were talking specifically about measure DNS.

So I believe we are good to go with it just staying the same.

No change.

Yeah, that was what was decided, yeah, at the special council meeting.

And so it's gonna stay the way it is.

Yeah, and and yeah, no, I'll I'll just uh double check whether there's any follow-up on that at tomorrow's meeting or not.

I thought I heard actually, I wasn't expecting that.

I thought I heard on the on KSPW that there might be some.

I I don't I don't think I can be there tomorrow.

Um then the deadline, are we making sure who is uh making sure then if it's going forward as it was, it just has to be resubmitted by what the is it like around the ninth ish of August?

We need to make sure we get it in so that I want to say it's the six, but I could be wrong, but around that time, right around in there, right?

Right around in there.

Right.

And who is going to do that?

So we make sure that it happens.

The ballot measure report um between me and Chrissy.

I'm sorry, city attorney.

And I we're going to report together.

So it'll go through.

Well, I guess the question is, is there is there anything that we should be doing?

Campaigning, talking to your friends.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that that's that's really it.

Um and and the thing is, um, you know, I at the special meeting I spoke that, you know, as I remember keep me honest here, Carol, you were there too.

Uh when this started, it was a uh really being looked at as a finite uh uh project that you know that that it had been decided that uh we needed to raise PCI from somewhere in the 50s to somewhere in the 70s, and that that we could do that in in 10 years.

Uh we did uh an initial uh four-year gig uh really to uh as a test to make sure that uh this was working as we all expected it to, and and uh you know uh it overwhelmingly did.

And so we were very happy to extend it for another eight at that point um for a total of twelve years.

And I know uh um there's still a lot of work to do.

There's the you know that that is true.

And and uh um but there were comments made at the special council meeting that uh this this is has to has to continue in perpetuity that uh uh which is uh again as I remember it contrary to what the uh original intent was.

Um if that's the reality of it, if if we are continuing to use this money for its it originally intended purpose, uh and that there is still a demonstrated need for that, then that's certainly one thing that we can consider and and uh support uh potentially.

Uh and and so I to me that's what it boils down to.

If if uh at some point we feel like you know uh look uh, you know, we're we're doing great on streets and sidewalks and the like.

Uh and so now we want to uh shift that money to a different uh different uh project or or or need issue, uh then uh that you know that's that's something that we decide at that point whether we would support it or not.

Going back to your question though, is at this point I still feel you know really good about talking with my neighbors, friends, neighbors, and saying, look, this has been a good thing, there is still more work to do, and and I support extending this uh at least one more time.

For eight years eight years again, yes.

For eight years, yeah.

Yeah, and and uh again, this is uh it's a special tax, so it requires a two-thirds majority vote by the by the voters in November.

And so it's not you know, it's it's not uh just a given that it's gonna pass, and we have to make sure that uh that people are aware.

We we are in a a period, I think right now, where uh we're uh a lot of us are are uh being feeling tax fatigued.

Uh not just from the city of Monterey, but the county, the state, the uh federal government, everywhere you look.

Uh there are budget issues, budget challenges, and uh uh unfortunately uh government at this point just says, well, if we're running short of money, we have to get more money.

And thankfully, uh uh Dante Hall and and staff uh and the council supported this.

Uh uh that we're we're really looking at expenses now too, and and that's as it should be.

And so hopefully that we continue down uh the road in that vein and and uh uh uh feel good about continuing to support some of these things that we really need.

It did it passed by what 76 percent the first time with P with S 82 point almost 83 percent, which was extremely high.

No, but it that doesn't happen, which means that the the residents were happy.

And and we did and I think we need to look it's been eight years that we look at what we were doing, and I was talking to Rick before the meeting about how some who were involved who say they're not gonna be involved with helping it, um, that we I don't think we have to we cannot assume that it's just because it's doing well it's gonna continue to, and they'll just naturally vote for it.

Especially as you say, with with um tax fatigue, it's they'll just oh it's it's it's sales tax.

Oh, we'll just say no, you know, whatever it is, not even look at it.

So I think we need a we need to do something, I mean, put together as long as the city council is is ready to, you know, put it out there, get together a group of people that's gonna make sure that it does happen again.

Um because again, the challenge is you finish and I've said it's my thing.

It's the Golden Gate Bridge.

You're getting to the end of it, and all of a sudden the beginning of it needs to be painted again.

It's like, you know, as I said, my street was slurry sealed ten years ago, April.

So and it's good because I'm looking at the pavement condition is still good.

Um but then there aren't as many people traveling on it.

But that again, you get all of a sudden you see it goes, it goes, it goes, and then it'll slip and then we're gonna have problems.

And I I I don't see, as you said, I don't see where we're ever gonna get out from under it.

Which is a good thing.

I mean, if we if we decide to we we have there are other jurisdictions who are very envious of what we have because their pavement condition is is b I mean b county is, but other jurisdictions too have said like oh my god, you know, like well, we were smart, you know, and hopefully we can and uh we have to figure out as a group how we can promote this to the residents to make sure that they know it's smart and that it's a good thing.

Because again, right now it's an anti-tax kind of time.

Yeah, and it and and you know, we we learned that if we let the condition of the streets get deteriorate too far, then it it costs us all more to get back to where we all want to be.

Right.

Um I was looking at um, you know, some of the last last work on a particular street was 2016 or 2017, and it was a slurry seal at that point.

Right.

And uh and as I remember, we were we were taught a slurry seal is uh a five or six year lifespan.

And so, you know, that's uh gone well beyond that.

And so uh we we don't want to fall behind, I guess is the moral of that story, and and uh um uh it's it's it's uh again it costs us all more if we let that happen.

And I did look uh PNS, I'm not sure why it is, but PNS uh is uh on the agenda for tomorrow night uh evening session.

Um and I'll have to look into it more, but it it is uh actually the only item on the evening session for tomorrow night.

So we'll crap sorry.

All right.

Any anything else?

Does that mean you're gonna be at the meeting then or what that's very likely what that means for me anyway, yeah.

Okay.

And you are certainly welcome to to join.

That's uh that's always good to have committee members present when when PNS is discussing.

And I would I would be there, but I I I have an appointment at MPCC with the Monterey Peninsula Foundation tomorrow afternoon and evening.

Fair enough.

Yeah, we're all busy, I know that.

Okay, anything else before we adjourn?

All right, 1042.

We'll go ahead and adjourn this meeting.

Thank you all.

Thank thank you.

Thank you.

See you next time.