Alright, good evening, everyone.

Welcome to our city council special meeting to interview environmental planning commission applicants.

We'll begin with the Pledge of Allegiance, so please stand.

Councilmember Clark?

Councilmember Hex?

Here.

Councilmember Ramirez?

Councilmember Showalter?

Yeah.

Thanks, Mayor Ramos?

Here.

Mayor Kamei?

You have a quorum with Councilmember McAllister absent.

Great.

Thank you.

So we'll move on to item four, which is our study session.

The purpose of the meeting this evening is for the council to interview applicants for two openings on the environmental planning commission and make a recommendation for adoption at the December 9th, 2025 City Council meeting.

Would any member of the public joining us virtually or in person like to provide comment on this item?

If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or submit a blue speaker card to the city clerk.

I'm not seeing anybody in person, so I'll move to virtual.

So I'm gonna close public comment and we'll move forward.

So per the selection process outlined in council policy number K-2.

The interviews will be conducted in a panel format.

Each applicant will receive the same amount of time to answer each question, and the questions selected by the council will be asked in randomized round robin order.

The council may ask a limited number of clarifying questions in the event that an applicant's answer was unclear or otherwise not understood.

Clarifying questions should not be used to allow an applicant an additional opportunity to expand on an original response.

On February 18, 2025, the council posed the following questions to EPC applicants in the denoted time limit for each category.

Would any member would any council member like to suggest changes to the questions or propose a time allocation per question?

And I think just because maybe not everyone has the questions in front of them for the purpose of the public, I'll just read the questions quickly.

Um and then people can um cue up if they like.

So for the first question at one minute, it was what would you bring to the environmental planning commission that is unique?

For question number two, that was two minutes.

What are your thoughts on the city's existing plans like the general plan and precise plans, specifically the downtown precise plan?

Question three for 90 seconds, how would you evaluate proposals to implement the housing element components?

Question four for two minutes, how does good land use improve our city and what is good land use?

And question number five, one minute, what is the role of a planning commissioner?

So those were the five questions with the time allocation.

I see council member Hicks in the queue.

So the one that I think I might want to change, and I have to say I am not a person who's super married to changes I suggest or the questions in general, but the number three, which is how would you evaluate proposals to implement the housing element components?

Since we're a little further through the housing element, we're we seem to never be done with it.

But um, I'm wondering if we could uh say uh what do you think will be the big issues facing uh the city or the planning commission over the next several years, which could include the housing element?

So I'm up for people can say that's terrible.

I will not be insulted or we can go with that.

So for question three, can you just say it one more time?

Um would it be the same?

What do you think would what do you think will be the big issues facing the uh planning commission over the next two years, including and it could, as part two, it could include um addressing the implementing the housing element?

How about okay?

So would the time be the same, a minute and a half?

Yes.

Okay.

So for question three, what do you think the big issues facing the planning commission will be?

For example, implementing the housing element.

Yeah, is that right?

Or okay.

We can tweak.

Okay.

Um anyone else have any edits or tweaks to the five questions?

Councilmember Clark.

I think this is a given, but for uh for incumbents, so the first question um could you could also talk about sort of what you feel you've brought, which would be C that's unique.

Okay, it's mostly worded.

Um, toward folks who aren't currently serving.

So I think that's a given, but sure.

So have for question one for one minute.

What would you bring or what have you brought to the environmental planning commission that is unique?

That sounds okay.

All right.

Any other edits?

No.

Councilmember Ramirez.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, again, I'd not terribly strong feelings, but the final question what is the role of a planning commissioner if we retain that question feels more appropriate early on.

Okay.

Um, so I don't know if you would want that to be the first or second question, but it feels um a little belated if it's the last one.

Sure, that makes sense.

How about as question two?

Okay, and then all the others would go down.

All right, and I can repeat the questions before we go forward.

All right.

Any other edits or tweaks?

Alright, so I'll just review what I've heard.

Um, so the first question for one minute.

What would you bring or what have you brought to the environmental planning commission that is unique?

Question two, what is the role of a planning commissioner?

Question three, what are your thoughts on the city's existing plans, like the general plan and precise plans, specifically the downtown precise plan?

Question four for a minute and a half.

What do you think the big issues facing the planning commission will be?

For example, implementing the housing element, and then the last question.

How does good or for two?

Sorry, the last question, question five, two minutes.

How does good land use improve our city?

And what is good land use?

Does that sound correct to everyone?

All right.

Sounds good.

All right, so we've uh selected the questions, their order, as well as their time allocation.

So before we move into interviewing the applicants, I think this go around, I would love to have assistance from my colleagues in asking these questions.

So I didn't I forgot that there were five.

Um there are what six six of us.

So if folks don't mind starting with council member uh Clark, we could go question one.

Council remember is gonna get question two.

The vice mayor can get question three, council member um Showelter can get four, and then Councilmember Hicks can get five.

Does that sound great?

All right, and hopefully that provides some variety for our applicants as well instead of just hearing my voice.

Um all right, that sounds great.

So the council will now interview the applicants for the environmental planning commission in the randomized order.

Uh begins with Hala Al Shawani, who's virtual, Tina Fam, Shweta Subramanian, Ida Rose, Sylvester, and Jerry Wilburn.

So we'll begin with Holla.

And then as each question goes, the first person changes.

Does that make sense?

So Holla gets question one and begins, and then question two will begin with Tina.

Question three will begin with uh Shwaita, uh four, Ida Rose, and five, Jerry.

Does that make sense?

That's how we'll go through.

All right, round Robin questions from council and around Robin answers from our applicants.

So it'll be it'll be a good.

Alright, so we'll begin with question number one.

I'll turn it over to Councilmember Clark.

And oh, and just for time check, I believe there's a timer right here, so just look straight ahead.

So I think we're starting with Holla.

Um yes, so Holla, can you hear us, see us?

Let's see if we can.

I see you're promoted as a panelist.

Yes, good evening.

I can hear you.

Can you hear me?

Yes.

Will she get video as well or just audio?

Okay, great.

Let's see.

Oh, great.

Yes, we see you.

I'm allowing the video.

Oh, good.

Perfect.

Yes, the joys of being a panelist.

All right, so uh council member Clark has question one for you.

Oh, you probably heard.

So question one is just what you what you feel that you would bring to the environmental planning commission that's unique.

And hopefully you can see the timer in some way, shape, or form, but I'm sure we'll indicate to you if we can.

Yes, thank you.

Actually, I cannot see the the clock.

Um it's flat.

Well, I can't see it, I'm sorry, but that's okay.

You can just stop me, let me know.

Yeah, it's 60 seconds, and it should show right below the mayor there if you're looking at the screen.

Yeah, so I am zooming from like half the way across the world and only on my um smartphone.

So I can barely, yes, I I cannot see it, but you can just stop me anyway.

We'll start now then, yeah.

Okay, thank you so much.

Good evening, everyone.

Greetings from uh Naples, Italy.

Um, I am very happy to be able to join, and uh uh what would I bring is I think my strong advocacy for balancing uh affordable housing and environmental sustainability.

Um I have lived in Mountain View for a long time.

I moved here with my family in 1984.

I worked here.

Um I've lived in different neighborhoods.

Um have experience in environmental sustainability as I was in the task force back in 2006 and uh sorry, 200 uh 17 and 18.

Um, I am have a lot of actions and knowledge uh for uh the developments that go around advocating for both and I have a good strong technical background.

Thank you.

Great.

Next is Tina.

Hi, I'm happy to be here tonight to talk about uh my answers to the environmental planning commission interview.

Um to start, I have lived in the Bay Area for 20 years and in Mountain View for more than 10 years.

What I bring to the commission is my uh experience over the last year on the commission itself serving, um, learning a lot from my fellow commissioners and contributing to the commission.

Also, I am an environmental civil engineer who have worked um for more than 15 years uh on all sorts of capital projects such as bridges, um streets, sidewalks, water, wastewater infrastructure, stormwater infrastructure, and so I understand how planning decisions can translate into real world projects also.

Um I am a mom, and so I uh spent a lot of time with my family in the community, uh interfacing with other community members.

So I have a vested interest in making sure the decisions we make here are well thought out and are implemented for my family and others.

Thanks, Rita.

Good evening.

Uh it's a pleasure to be here.

Thank you for this opportunity.

Um I'm an immigrant from India with lived experience in many parts of the US over the past 28 years, and a very recent resident of Mountain View.

I'm a renter currently, and I've lived in the city for just over a year.

I live in the Rex Manor neighborhood.

I'm an architect by training, but I practiced real estate development for 20 years and worked on mixed use, large-scale projects with commercial and residential and large scale master plan developments.

I worked at MidPen Housing on Affordable Development, leading their development team, and I currently have a development consulting practice.

I'm passionate about housing, and um I also am very passionate about sustainability, mobility, embracing technology, and I'm very involved in the industry.

So I bring that development perspective to the table.

Thank you.

Great.

Thanks.

Ida Rose.

I bring unique knowledge about land use planning from years working with Mountain View Coalition for Sustainable Planning, evaluating projects, precise plans, zoning, the housing element, and more in partnership with stakeholders, including staff and developers.

And in this work, I'm also deeply engaged in thinking about upcoming forces that will impact us, like remote work, economic change, and SB 79.

Through our historical association, I focus on land use, understanding how past patterns impact our current environment.

I also have brought eight and a half year track record on two different advisory bodies, demonstrating successful collaboration with staff and colleagues.

I've built consensus skill building skills through my work as a Mountain View mediator, which also brings me excellent listening and the ability to balance both sides of an issue.

I'm deeply connected in my community to stakeholders across the city.

And I also hold a minor in city and regional planning.

Thank you.

Oh, it says two minutes.

Ready?

Oh, yeah, so I just started speaking because I was like ready.

Okay.

Hi, my name is Jerry.

Um I'm a Mountain View resident.

Um, just applying for this position because I think it's my civic duty.

I hold a master's degree in urban planning from Salami State.

I'm a doctoral candidate at USC, studying um macro social work.

Um, and so I feel I have enough education to uh bring to the table that um, you know, I will bring that kind of educational lens to any kind of plans that come in front of me.

Um, I have um years in front of me, I mean uh behind me in uh nonprofit management.

Also, I'm an accomplished grant writer.

I've been awarded over 15 million dollars in government grants for my various programs.

Uh so I have that funder lens uh for any project, or also I'm also a GIS geek, uh so I'm very comprehensive on that.

I can teach it.

In fact, I'm applying to become a professor of Sony State right now in the urban regional planning.

I'm also on the APA board for California.

Uh I am the liaison for UC Berkeley.

Okay, thanks.

So question two will begin with Tina and Counselor Ramirez will be the question asker.

The question is, what is the role of a planning commissioner?

All right.

I really love this question because I often think of it when I am on the dice and trying to try to verbalize what I want to say, what I want to convey, and um how much a say and what's asked.

I think it's a great question.

Um, what I think uh a planning commissioner, their role is to serve at the pleasure of council, to think very critically about what staff is bringing forward, to evaluate the staff reports, um, to ask questions and really kick the tires of what's being proposed.

I think um I really enjoyed doing that over the last year in my professional life.

Uh I often write staff reports, present to council, and think very critically about what we want to say.

So being on this side has been really, really fulfilling, and I feel like that experience has made me a very effective engaged commissioner during this last year.

Um I believe uh the role of a planning commissioner is to be a guide and a steward of both land use policy and land use development for the city.

Um I view this role as working closely with the staff to promote the projects and um bring their views to the table to support the council in making responsible decisions that yield the best outcomes for Mountain View and its residents.

And as a citizen of Mountain View, which I'm very proud of being, I believe I represent the residents of Mountain View, and I want to bring that perspective to the table.

So tactically, a planning commissioner does several things.

One is thoughtful review of development and land use applications to ensure compliance with the general plan, zoning and precise plans, and maybe more importantly, the overall city's vision for its future, as well as conducting long range and policy planning, such as general plan updates and zoning updates, and looking at these things holistically.

But more importantly, it's very important for commissioners to make recommendations to City Council based on very thoughtful analysis of staff reports in weighing stakeholder input extremely carefully.

I think to be a good planning commissioner, one needs to be flexible and adaptable to changing needs in changing times, like managing under SP 79 will cause unique challenges, and also economic changes which feel like they're on the horizon.

And a robust planner also needs to, or a planner also needs to be a robust listener, understanding and listening to all stakeholders fairly and finding balance among conflicting needs and interests.

Also conforming to all uh adherence to um the uh the codes that have been set forth.

I'm sorry.

I'm getting a little unnervous right now.

Um, um yes, uh also updating the general plan, looking at our housing needs, um, speaking with advocates, uh speaking with uh stakeholders, and just weighing everything that comes across our our commission uh for the best of Mountain View and making sure that everything that's put forth by the commission is um really for the people, okay.

Holla, then that means it's you.

So if you can unmute, do you need Lucas to ask the or sorry, Councilmember Ramirez to ask the question again?

Um, I think I got it.

This is what is the role of a planning commissioner, correct?

Correct.

Yes.

Um so I I think the role of the planning commissioner is to um give advice and input to the council on how to best balance, um, how to best balance the developments and uh the support of affordable housing while trying to um sustain and make sure that we have uh uh environmental sustainability that is gonna serve us now and in the future, um, consider the climate extremes and the climate changes that uh we are facing now.

Um I think also having experiences in um serving the city in that capacity, um, attending a lot of meetings, uh working with developers so that they understand that um when you have that balance actually things will work out.

Oh, sorry, thank you.

I didn't see the clock, so okay.

All right, now for the next question.

Okay, and we'll start with Shreita.

Uh I hope I pronounced that correctly.

Yay!

Nailed it.

All right.

What are your thoughts on the city's existing plans, like the general plan and precise plans, specifically the downtown precise plans?

I believe the challenge in the general plans is in meeting the housing needs of the region and in particularly aligning and staying ahead of the changes that are being enforced by state and assembly bills that will impact the development in this region.

Specifically, I think the particular challenge is being able to balance development with preserving the character of existing neighborhoods.

The current downtown plan allows up to 85 feet uh and 60 dwelling units per acre.

And if you look at SB 79, which was passed recently, that almost doubles that density and keeping some of the similar heights.

So I think that will be a particular challenge when SB 79 gets adopted in the middle of next year, and how that balances out with the requirements of Mountain View's General Plan and looking at areas of the precise plan that are impacted by the proximity to uh the transit stops.

I also believe that there are aspects in the general plan with regards to improving access and improving mobility to the Caltrain station stops.

With the improved Caltrain services, I believe there are opportunities to reduce car mileage, promote easier uh pedestrian and bike access to train stops across key thoroughfares and increase other modalities of transportation, which will become a particular challenge to review.

I also believe that there's an opportunity here where by embracing technology and putting in safeguards, we can improve other modalities of transportation, such as when WUMOs and other self-driving options uh become more ubiquitous in the South Bay.

Um we have to ensure that their circulation and uh pick up and drop-off zones are well coordinated through the planning requirements.

And finally, thanks.

Oh, and just a reminder, it's a two-minute question.

It's like I think the longest question.

Well, there's another two-minute question, but this is one of the longer ones.

Our general plan is inherently limited but limited by its long view, and ours is aging.

It is static, but our community is anything but that.

A black swan event like the pandemic shows us that up our our assumptions in our plan can be completely upended, and other forces may radically change us again, like looming economic uncertainty.

But our general plan still provides valid framing, including emphasis on sustainability, inclusivity and equity, mobility and economic vitality, and a smart focus on balanced development, all values that are core to the city.

Our precise plans are good in that they help our land use stay current, but they can get out of date and lack having a bigger picture focus.

One thing I do love about them though is their robust stakeholder feedback included in the newer ones.

In the next year, we're going to have to think a lot about the impact of SB 79 and the impact it will have on our plans around downtown, such as the Moffat Boulevard Precise Plan, and that's something the city is going to have to think a lot about.

But going back specifically to the downtown precise plan, we set out to create a downtown that is our crown jewel, the heart of our city, an economic and cultural hub that serves everyone in our community.

But how do we get there?

We need zoning that supports a variety of business types and cultural activities that support a diverse and rapidly evolving population.

We need solid plans to support evolving businesses that support the needs of all residents and business owners.

We need to balance residential needs with commercial development.

We need to make our downtown more transit and pedestrian friendly and preserve historic resources.

But to me, it's important that we create vibrant placemaking, include better recreation, green space, canopy, art, communal spaces that serve everybody of all ages and backgrounds, things that draw people into the downtown and keep them there and make them happy.

Thank you.

I believe the general plan.

Yeah, I believe the general plan is good and it meets a lot of currently uh what we're working on within Mountain View.

Um, but like my colleague said, uh, recent state law was recently passed, and arena goals for the region and housing needs are not being met.

And so we need to densify our downtown in order to meet the the needs of state law and also keep up with our arena needs currently.

Um projections are I believe are on track to meet those goals, but with the new law, it will not be on track.

So that's something that um the general plan needs to be updated with.

Also, in addition, um, for the downtown Castle Street area, moving on to there.

Um, I believe it's a really vibrant place.

There's a lot of things going good with our area right now.

I myself love the area, but there could be opportunity or there is opportunity for growth.

I was speaking to uh Councilmember Hicks earlier today, and uh about um just my views on downtown.

And so there's ideas like night markets at night.

There's ideas about activation of art um using uh more outdoor theater or anything like that just to bring more people and keep people coming.

Um there's uh uh an opportunity for economic development.

There's a lot at these storefronts.

I believe if you were to um give microloans out and uh capture small business, we could activate the space even further.

Um another another thing is transportation.

Um with the Caltranslation right there, we should actually um build more infrastructure to support the local infrastructure of just all modes of transportation like bikes and two seconds.

If I um could just interject really quickly, Jerry, the um Zoom can't hear you if you don't hold the mic up to your to your mouth.

Okay, yeah.

Yes.

Can you hear me okay?

Yep.

Okay, great.

Um yes, so um I I have been attending uh the city council meetings and um uh even working with some of the city staff on on some of the developments that are going specifically around downtown.

I think the um the plans uh were great because the city was really embarking on uh preserving the historic characteristics of our downtown and increasing um uh housing, uh more affordable housing around transit, which is great.

But of course, SB 79 is going to be a big challenge uh because um we don't really uh currently have alternate plans, alternative plans, so that if we want to preserve the um downtown characteristics, we will have to come up with um ideas and ways that we can still do affordable housing, perhaps uh some around the transit center in that area and some elsewhere, um, uh because I think it's important that we preserve that um characteristics that we have.

It's very unique, it's what makes mountain view mountain view.

I have lived um in Questa Park and I'm living now uh near downtown, and it's it's really vital that we preserve that.

It's very vital that we increase um green canopy, make it walkable, um pleasant, uh pedestrian-friendly, um, and coming up with alternative plan is going to be probably the biggest challenge uh we will have, and we have to work on that fairly quickly because um I believe by next summer 2026, uh the um uh the those alternative plans have to be ready so that once it's you know the uh implementation of SB 79 take place uh we we will know what how to proceed and how to go ahead.

Great.

And well, thanks, Holla, then we'll go to Tina.

So I really like this question, although it's hard to go last for this question because I agree with a lot of what my fellow interviewees have said.

Um I have a few points.

Um the general plan uh provides a great framework to be able to grow sustainably while balance livability for um the residents of Mountain View.

One of my um criticisms of it is that it's quite old, it's gotten quite stale since it was adopted in 2012 and the world has changed so much since then.

Remote work, um, and the um people who may have uh moved in may not have been able to give their voice um to such a plan.

And I know that staff has it in their work plan to think about um you know updating the general plan in the next several years.

Maybe that goes into the next question.

Um so because as the general plan grows older, um it really uh highlights the importance of the precise plans that have been worked on the last couple of years.

And I know during my time on EPC, um, we were able to discuss the Moffitt Boulevard precise Plan and um talk about the vision for that area, which was such a fascinating discussion for me.

One of my first EPC meetings was during um uh when that item was brought to us.

Um and we talked about street infrastructure, we talked about the size of the parcels, context of what was proposed within the neighborhood, preserving the Adobe House, and so all the detail that's going into these newer plans is amazing.

Um and so I applaud staff and and um you know I hope to see similar levels of outreach and engagement um for the precise plan that I saw, you know, for for the discussions for Moffitt and for others as well.

Great, thank you.

All right, so we'll move on to question four, and that'll start with Ida Rose, and then that'll be um Councilmember Schulter.

All right, okay.

This one is what do you think the big issues facing the EPC will be?

For instance, implementing the housing element, but other things um would be good to talk to us about as well.

We'll start with Ida Rose.

Thank you.

Uh I've hinted at this in some of my previous answers, but we are looking down the barrel of economic uncertainty.

We've already seen slowing down of developments, which is going to make hitting arena numbers all the more difficult, but it's also going to mean less commercial development and less tax revenue from that and the potential economic impacts on uh small and large businesses, but also we're starting to hear from developers that projects, especially ones with community benefits, including BMR units, park, parking, um, additional environmental sustainability features like solar panels and all electric are not penciling out.

So I think we're going to face a big challenge about how to meet community needs in an economic downturn.

But some other things that are on my mind, uh again, economic vitality of our small and large businesses as we go through a downturn.

Also providing recreation for all while preserving open space and balancing the needs of our community across our relatively large geographic community.

Also affordable housing, aside from the housing element, how are we going to provide affordable housing and housing for all?

And how are we going to address our homeless strategy in the in the face of such a rise in our unhoused population since the last point in time count?

Those are the things that are on my mind most right now.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And Jerry is next.

Ready?

I believe the most challenging part of the um, I'll hold your mind close.

I sorry doing that again.

Uh so I believe the most challenging part of the role would be um making sure that there is equitable practices amongst all neighborhoods and communities.

What is fair for Mountain View?

What is fair for every citizen?

And I believe that is going to be a challenge, being that um we have densified areas of pockets of neighborhoods, and uh we have very industrialized areas in uh in our parts of the city.

So, but I live in one of those areas too, by the way.

So I have a little back house on uh on old middlefield.

Uh and so I look at that and I'm like, wow, oh I uh all these other services are being delivered in other areas, but not mine.

Uh so I feel a challenge personally.

Um moving on.

Um, so other challenging areas would be homelessness.

Uh I myself have a career built on building home homelessness program uh programs, and uh also making sure that our housing needs are gonna be met.

So it's just gonna be challenging to be fair and uh be able to deliver to all communities and have equity uh any kind of plan that comes across the commission's desk.

Uh we have to be fair for everyone with that complete.

Thank you.

And now we go to Halla.

Do you need the question reread?

Um, yes, please, actually.

Okay.

Um, what do you think the big issues facing the EPC will be?

For instance, implementing the housing element or others.

Yes, I think I think one of the challenges we're having is ensuring that the developments that are going on in Mountain View have a solid percentage of affordable housing.

And I think it's been very challenging to have more than the minimum requirement from the developers to provide that aspect of housing.

So perhaps we need to think more about incentives, about uh ways that we can encourage developers to meet at least the minimum, if not more, uh, the percentage that we that we require of them that to provide affordable housing.

Um, also the um SB 79 is going to be a bit challenging if we want to preserve our downtown characteristics and have that balance uh between development and the preservation, then we need to work on that um alternative plan.

Um I think it's uh it's definitely a big challenge to uh retain um a healthy um uh green space because we are losing you know our heritage trees when these big developments take space.

So um we need to also find incentives for for the developers to um understand that uh what's good for the environment is good for us as well, and um how do we make it pedestrian friendly?

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, so that brings us to Tina.

It's not enough to talk about all the things I'm so excited about.

Um coming to the EPC in the next couple of years.

As I mentioned, general plan update is very important because of how old the document is and how much change has happened since then.

Um but also there's things like gatekeeper process, streamlining code changes, dark sky ordinance.

Um I agree with a lot of the other folks who've mentioned SB 79 um compliance and implementation and doing local alternative plans, that will be very important for us to consider local control of that um of many areas in the city, including downtown.

Um R3 zoning is also important, and we're still waiting on staff to bring that forth as well.

Um historical preservation ordinance, biodiversity, and urban forest plan, all these are things um that have come to uh the EPC or will come to the EPC.

Um, and these are important for us and council to watch out for.

And what I like about um knowing about all these things is feeling very confident that you know the commission and staff can do it together.

We have a very, very um, you know, collaborative environment.

And so when I think of these as challenges, I'm not intimidated.

I'm really excited um that these are identified and would love to continue working on some of these items, so I believe um that the challenges in addition to some of the state and assembly bills and uh figuring out uh the city's general plan and precise plan alignments with those, I believe the big challenge that faces us, and we're not singular in this, is it's the region as a whole is um the face of economic changes and the the rapid uh pace at which that's happening.

So I think it's going to be key for us to figure out how to build in flexibility and long-term vision into our planning going forward, and that goes uh to even creating a diversity of housing because the nature of the population is rapidly changing.

So while we're tackling affordability, it extends to providing home for all, including homeless as well as senior citizens, and the ability to have residents age in place within Mountain View.

So with this idea of creating a city for the future and creating a home for all, I believe that extends to looking at mobility options and increasing transportation to decrease the car impact, which then gets into the next big topic of taking on climate resilience and looking at aspects of planning that we have to really think about with the long-term strategy to create better climate resilience for everything that comes in the future.

But I do believe we have answers to all this and a process in place to tackle it.

Great.

Thanks so much.

All right, we're at exciting point.

We're on our last question, and that'll be with council member Hicks, and we'll start with Jerry.

Go ahead, Councilmember Hicks.

Yes, so Jerry, for two in in two minutes, tell us how does good land use improve our city, and what is good land use.

Thank you.

So good land use is adherent to the zoning code.

It is gonna provide a um all development to to have.

Hang on, I'm I'm blanking out right now.

I'm going back to my college uh class on land use.

Uh so good so good.

So good land use is uh making sure that uh adherence to the zoning codes are being upheld and making sure that all plans are being reviewed uh for conformity to the law, and it is gonna provide the way forward for Mountview to move forward with good land use.

Um I'm gonna leave some time on the table because I don't want to botch this anymore because I feel like I'm watching this, but go ahead.

Okay, thank you.

So next we're going to hear on the same question from Hala.

Yes, hi, thank you.

Um I think the uh good land use is finding the balance between providing affordable housing and sustainability, environmental sustainability for our community for now and in the uh future.

Um working with uh the developers, community input, um coming up with incentives so that we can have that balance come in.

There have been many projects uh that I've attended uh uh hearings of and we've actually reached out to the developers of some of these projects directly to try to um influence them in understanding that when they're preserving our green assets that we have in the city while providing uh the affordable housing that we need, it's actually a win-win for everyone.

Um, and there's been many examples uh where um, you know, one example is for uh the um that with the recent time we've worked the community has worked with uh the 555 middle field project where we went back and forth many many times, uh, but they finally came back with uh preserving more trees, having the units, the buildings for the residents facing uh not the freeway, freeway, you know, highway 85 behind that project.

Um, they also provided uh walkable uh nice wide uh sidewalks.

Uh so um they're thinking about not just their residents but all the communities surrounding them.

So we need more and more of those kinds of collaborations that would bring success for both the developers, the new residents that will be here and the current residents that have been here for a long time.

Thank you.

Yes, so Tina.

All right.

Um, so good land use is so important.

Um good land use and planning is one of the most important ways that cities can influence what gets built and influence um what really affects people.

Um, once you build something, it's gonna be there for quite some time.

So careful thinking ahead of time, careful planning, careful design is really, really important.

And so when I think about good land use, I think of the residents and what the people would want.

In general, we've heard, and I feel this as well is we want, you know, green spaces, we want walkability, we want bikeability, we want balanced growth for affordable housing, but also we want jobs and transit, and we want to protect our open spaces.

So that's all a lot.

That's really challenging.

There's trade offs.

One of the things that I love to consider when I'm on EPC is that when we make decisions, it's going to last for quite some time.

And so things are changing.

So I don't only think about what the needs are now, what would be the needs in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years, and I think about projects that come in front of us, what they have to offer, and what they would bring to our community in the future.

Thank you.

And now, Shwetha.

Do tell me if you want me to repeat the question.

No, I have a thank you.

So I believe good land use is what gets a city designated as the very first brill housing city.

I believe good land use is what gets a city an employer as big and impactful as a Google.

And then I think good land use is what really helps make this a valid point going forward into the future.

So I believe to extend these successes, a city like Mountain View needs to have its plan be flexible and adaptable to the changes of changing economic environments in the future.

It's all also about creating sustainable forms of development, ones that uh promote um sustainability within the environment, but also minimize the impact of resources, minimize adverse environmental impact to the surroundings, and are able to tackle uh the preservation of green spaces and figure out how to sustain them with uh climate resiliency.

I also think that good land use is key to providing uh and promoting economic vitality by providing for a diverse population and by creating optimal and vital synergies between different land uses, so we're able to develop a very cohesive city fabric that promotes for circulation and communication off its residents, off its employers with great ease.

Thank you.

And to close out, Ida Rose.

Mountain View, a wonderful city, is almost entirely built out.

We have valuable history, incredibly vibrant neighborhoods, an engaged community, wonderful socioeconomic diversity, and precious environmental resources like our bayshore and our marshes.

And we must steward these.

We must practice good land use that preserves what is so special about this community, supporting our current and future populations, all while we contend with not knowing what the future will hold.

Good land use is important because it improves our city by increasing immediate and long-term livability and sustainability of a city meant for all of us.

It makes Mountain View a place where people are proud to live, work, and play, providing housing for everyone, supporting thriving small and large business, and maintaining our rich cultural and recreation activities and a sense of community that is so unique to our city.

And something as a planning geek I like to think is that good land use planning creates efficiency for future staff and council who can build upon our good work today, being more efficient rather than having to scramble and reinvent and deal with problems we didn't address for them.

And good land uh land use thoughtfully takes into account and balances unique stakeholder needs and interests.

Good land use is holistic.

It's more than just buildings, it's more than just the basic built environment.

It's about community for all.

It looks at the bigger picture, including transportation, safe bike and pedestrian access, infrastructure impacts on things like our wastewater and recycled water systems, community impacts, including preserving our equity and diversity, recreation for all, school systems, sustainability, green space, placemaking, and the human element, all while trying to back that up to the goals of the overall general plan.

Thank you.

Great.

Thank you.

So that concludes our questions.

I'll now bring the matter to council for discussion and a recommendation to the council for two seats.

The term runs from January 1st, 2026 through December 31st, 2029, which is the opening on the environmental planning commission.

Before we get into our discussion and recommendation, let's thank all of our applicants.

You may leave your uh interviewee area.

You're welcome to stay or leave, whichever you prefer.

Um, and we'll we'll remove Hella as a panelist um as we move into this discussion and deliberation recommendation portion of our meeting.

Thank you very much.

We appreciate it.

All right.

So per the selection process outlined in council policy number K-2.

When voting, each council member shall vote for as many candidates as there are open seats.

So for example, we have two seats available tonight, so we can vote for no more than two people.

If there is a tie vote, we will revote on the tied applicants and the applicant with the highest number of votes wins.

This process can be changed upon a majority vote of the council tonight.

And our majority tonight is uh four, well, yeah, four because there's uh six of us, yeah.

Um so it remains the same.

Um so we can now discuss our recommendations for the two members to the environmental planning commission, or we can proceed directly to a vote by ballot.

I'll leave it up to colleagues.

I see some people are already in the queue, so we'll start there.

Vice Mayor Ramos.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, I really just uh wanted to comment on how really good the applicant poll was this time around.

Um, and I and each of them kind of have a different reason why I really like like them.

Um I think um it is is no secret.

We we we are very familiar with how much HALA cares about our community.

I think that's a wonderful thing.

I'm glad she's applying for uh a commission like this.

Um I had the opportunity uh Tina is the our incumbent essentially, and we had the opportunity to see how she performs on the board, and she has performed very well, and it shows in her answers where she um has an I'm trying to be very quick.

Um, umeta um actually had my favorite answers.

Those answers were like bangers to me.

I was just like that's the best answers, I love them.

Um, and uh with Ida Rose, um, I really value people's commitment to essentially our local government.

She has served on the HRC for a very long time, as long as she legally could.

Um, so like that demonstrated commitment um is is very valued.

And then we have Jerry, who is also a GIS nerd, and that speaks to my heart because I really love that, even though I probably am not as good as it as he is, because I'm a bit rusty.

So we we do have there's some people call it uh the embarrassment of riches, or like uh Council Member Show Walter likes to call it the perils of prosperity, and I just like to think of it as the impact of being the best city where we have the best residents and therefore the best applicants.

So it's gonna be a very difficult decision.

I think all of you are, we would be lucky to have any of you on our planning commissions.

Um, but yeah, it's just gonna be a difficult position.

Thank you for applying, though.

Councilmember Schwalter.

Well, it's really hard to follow that, um, Vice Mayor Ramos.

But uh I agree.

We we have a um a group of people who are all uh uniquely qualified to do this job, and um I'm very grateful that for the time and effort they put in to apply I did get to talk to um all of them except for Holla she was in Naples but I've known her for like 30 40 years now so that was okay um uh and yeah that we we really do have a very impressive group and perhaps it is a peril of prosperity that we have you know we have um people stepping up because um we we have good resources to work with and we have interest very interesting um problems and we have a history of um you know of of getting things done and so that makes stepping up and being part of the process much more attractive than um it could be some other places that said I'm just gonna get the process moving and say I um I appreciate the idea that we have an incumbent who has um uh uh spent time on the EPC and um has has done a good job and answered questions well and I think and typically it is our custom to um continue with incumbents and I would just like to start by um uh moving that we reappoint Tina Fim.

I think that per the policy we have to do two at a time we have to do two um that's my understanding is that right or we can go one at one at a time okay great okay until we fill right okay okay um well we have a uh motion so if we can have a second or I don't think we need a form if we're sometimes we vote by a by a for the public sometimes we vote all at once and we vote on a form or tonight it seems like we're gonna be voting one at a time with a with a motion and that's fine too those are part of our policies and that's that's okay or looking to however colleagues would like to do it but we have a motion so before we go forward do we have a second do people want to talk about it.

The the motion is to uh reappoint uh teen fam and that was seconded by council member ramiers okay we have a motion the second or we'll continue discussion thank you council member hicks okay well I was not expecting that I think everybody looks perplexed because not because we do have a tradition of uh reappointing an incumbent but we use my experience is that most of the time we pass out a piece of paper and we write down who we're voting for so Pat I think or Councilmember Showalter I think you threw us all for a loop anyway um that was your intention okay okay so um I so I have a question about process um are we good are we thinking or maybe nobody's thinking about it at all of doing a piece of paper for the second one okay I think that's up to our discretion and looking at the city clerk we can so I think that um right now it's discussion and recommendation and so I think we have um um we've had some discussion and then we've got a recommendation for one and then we can continue people's thoughts um or we can take a uh vote as is and then more discussion and talk before we vote for the second it's I think it's all within the umbrella of the policy looking at the clerk she says yes okay thank you mayor for clarifying that for me um because apparently I'm easily confused uh yeah I'm I mean I do um I I will either support this motion um and if it doesn't pass, I will be voting anyway to um to reinstate reappoint the incumbent.

Um and I just wanted to echo um what other council members have said and I'm not gonna say it at length because they did, but I I think these are some of the most I've been on council for six and a half years.

I've applied for EPTC twice and never been voted on um because they didn't want anybody with a planning degree on the planning commission.

That was the council.

You you were not on that council, Chris.

So I think this council has a different position, hopefully, because almost all of you have planning degrees.

Um, so yeah, I am really impressed both, you know, by length of service for people who've been here for a while on things that I really care about with the city, the level of thoughtful detail.

I did talk to everyone before tonight, except for um Tina Fam, because I talked to her in the past, um, and just had, you know, it made me want to appoint everyone or or want everyone to remain engaged in some way.

Um so uh let's see, so yes, okay.

So I think that's that's what I'll say at this point.

Great.

Councilmember Clark.

Yeah, I I was just gonna suggest that um since there's a motion on the floor that um we can when we're ready, we can dispense with that and then we can probably have our another round of comments if the mayor is going to be with that.

Yeah, but I'm happy to to call the question.

Okay, yeah, and um I just wanted to say uh Commissioner Pam, I've um been following your work on the on the UPC and and uh been watching some of the meetings, and I just want to say I think you I think you're doing an excellent job and um reappointment isn't always a given.

I think I was almost well, I skipped over once and then almost not reappointed.

I don't remember, but anyway, I think you're you're doing an excellent job, and there is no reason for it was uh for me not to vote to reappoint you.

So thank you for all the work that you're doing.

I go continue continue their work.

Great, all right.

Um would you like to say something?

Oh, okay, all right.

All right, well, I'll just do my comments after we vote then.

All right, why don't we vote on the motion and that's uh appoint re-um appoint Tina FM for the Environmental Planning Commission to the vote.

Great, and that passes uh unanimously with those present.

Wonderful.

Um and before we get into discussion, I just want to give a sincere thanks to all our applicants.

Um it is nothing like putting yourself literally in the in the hot seat um to answer these really easy questions, not just um, but um I just I was so impressed by the thoughtfulness in terms of the preparation, the quality of the answers, both in person but also the applications.

I was I thought the applications were quite robust, and I thought to myself, kind of like when I think about people applying to college these days, I think I could never get in now.

Um similar, you know, I don't know if you can a planning commission now.

Wow.

Um, but I but I it made me feel um so happy to live in Mountain View.

The vice mayor always talks about how we live in the best city, and um tonight's um um interview process just reminded me of that.

We just because everybody um puts their heart and soul to these applications and they wanted volunteer for their time um to to be with us and serve.

So I just wanted to to say thanks and um you know, per what we always say um on council, if this is not a successful uh endeavor tonight, it doesn't mean you can't try twice, three times, or um we have so many different um ways to engage, and I'm really proud of the city for leaning into that.

So um do we have any further discussion or would would folks like to um do paper vote?

Uh-huh.

Councilmember Ramirez.

Thank you, Mayor.

I don't want to um belabor uh the discussion.

I'm I'm also ready for the paper vote, but um I wanted to um echo what you've just said, both on uh the the gratitude for everyone who stepped up to apply.

It is um uh it's not not an easy thing to do.

Um, very similar to like a candidate form.

Um you have a very limited amount of time to answer very challenging questions.

Um, and so I I commend everyone who who uh goes through that, I think very intimidating process.

Um, and I uh also um was very proud to reappoint you or to recommend to ourselves to reappoint you, uh, Commissioner Pam.

Um I think you've you've been doing a phenomenal job.

Um, and I I what you said, Mayor really struck me because I I I couldn't agree more.

I feel like I think you are a fabulous uh commissioner having served with you, but it does often feel like you know the the this the standard keeps getting raised, and we have uh everyone who applied had technical expertise on the subject matter.

And you know, when I applied, I was a kid with a music major, right?

So I don't know why I was appointed, but the council at the time didn't have better options.

But this time we have very strong options, and it makes it very difficult to pick.

And I I agree with um every many member members of the council who all suggested we we hope that if you don't get in this time, um, you know, please continue uh to remain involved in the community.

Um run for city council.

There are lots of ways to do good work here, but I f unusually I actually feel very strongly about this.

Um I don't like to disclose who I'm gonna vote for, but I was very impressed um with uh Schweta's application and and responses.

Um and so I'll be supporting you, and you know I know everyone has uh uh different perspectives about this, but I'm I was um uh like uh the vice mayor said uh very uh impressed with um your concise and and robust responses.

Um and just wanted to share in case that happens to be persuasive to anyone.

Um I think you know Schwetha is is worthy of your consideration uh and would represent a portion of Mountain View that often doesn't have representation on these types of bodies, uh is a rent renter, we don't often get renter applicants, um has technical expertise, and I think would do a phenomenal job.

So um, but if someone else gets appointed, I'll be very happy because everyone is excellent.

Thank you.

All right, any other discussion or shall we vote?

All right, I'm not seeing any other discussion.

So we will vote and then pass it to the city clerk.

Oh, did you have something you wanted to say?

Did you not get a paper?

Okay, all right, we're not commenting.

Um, we are paper voting and we are passing.

Are you ready for the vote, Mayor?

Yes.

Okay.

Uh Mayor Kamei voted for Schwe.

Vice Mayor Ramos voted for Schwe.

Councilmember Ramirez voted for Schwe.

Councilmember Showalter voted for Ida Rose, Councilmember Clark voted for Ida Rose, and Councilmember Hicks voted for Ida Rose.

So you'll need to revote.

Okay.

So I think we'll we'll we will revote.

Does anyone want to share any uh comments or any discussion before we go to vote again?

Councilmer Schalter.

Yeah, as we both said, um we have a really great candidate pool this time.

And um I feel very, you know, I feel very uh blessed by that.

Um I think that having somebody um who has only lived here for a year um be on our commission if that might work if if we didn't have people who um had a little more uh experience with the community.

I think that one of the things that um the planning commissioner is supposed to do is represent the community, and so you have to have a knowledge of that community, and we have um you're right.

I completely was just very very impressed by uh Swarda.

But uh but um I I do feel that it would be better for her to do this maybe in a few years after she's been more a part of our community.

Whereas Ida Rose has stepped up again and again and again.

She served on our um uh HR uh commission for seven plus years.

She ran a very important housing uh history of housing program that hundreds of Mountain View residents went to.

Um she um uh ran for city council previously, she was on I think both sustainability task force, as was Halla, frankly, on both sustainability task force.

So she's just so I just um I'll be happy with either one of them because they're both such great candidates, but I think that that connection to our community is really vital.

Um when I was on the planning commission, my kind of you know, you know how when we do these jobs we have these little snippets of okay, what is this?

What do I do?

And I and my feeling was my job uh the the staff brought us the technical information about planning.

You know, they know about the zoning codes, they know about the details of the general plan, they know about good planning principles, which by the way, you learn a tremendous amount about when you serve on the planning commission, but they don't know the details of how the community members um and community neighborhoods interact.

And I think that we need planning commissioners to bring that viewpoint to our um to the to the commission meetings.

So that's that's that's the the um the limiter that I see.

Thank you.

Councilmember Clark.

I just want to think aloud and not persuade if I may.

Um I completely agree with what Council Show uh Councilmember Um Sherwalter said.

I'm also hearkening back to when I was first appointed and other appointments that we've done, and and by the way, I think either either of these candidates would be amazing.

Um we have um an embarrassment of riches here with this applicant pool.

Um and also, by the way, um there will be two open seats next year.

Um so that's one way to stay involved, and there are other um ways to stay involved too.

But um, you know, the counterpoint is that you you also have to look at the the current makeup of the EPC, and we have we have a lot of longtime residents um on on EPC right now, um, some of which are concentrated in in areas that um are you know tend to be overrepresented over time, and I think it's good to have a mix of both new voices and and folks who um have been in the city a really long time.

Um I don't think we currently have anyone who um you know has has worked at an affordable housing developer like Mid Penn.

Um and you know, has a background as an architect.

So um I don't know how I'm going to vote at the moment.

Um I I I um everything that council member Sherwalter said about Ida Rose is is accurate.

The involvement with the community over the years, the the organizing the the background not just in HRC but in housing and running for council and putting yourself out there.

So I um I am very willing to hear from other council members who um like to share their thoughts and opinions too um because I I'm torn so I just wanted to to think aloud because I I think it's it's it's both really important that we appoint folks who have have have a background there and really understand the city, but also to have you know the representation for folks who are who are newer to Mountain View and also see the city through a different lens.

Um just I'm trying to think through the current makeup and it and it's it's a lot of folks who have been in the city a long time, so I'll stop talking about it.

Councilmember Hicks.

Okay, you may regret asking us to think out loud on the diet, but um so on the one hand, on the one hand, I hate doing this.

I would much rather have a secret ballot.

Um I don't I can just leave.

Um no, no, I mean just voting uh in a non-secret ballot.

Um I have to say that uh that on the one hand, I really honor uh being deeply engaged in the community over a long time.

To me, it's not so much whether you've lived here for a long time, um, as whether you've been deeply engaged, and partly because when you've been deeply engaged, you can hit the ground running.

You know, we you've probably seen we've sometimes had applicants to the EPC or whatever, you know, the performing arts committee who want to perform on stage, or you know, just have no idea what they're getting into.

And the more you've been involved with MVCSP and then run for council and so forth, the more you've you you know what you're getting into.

So that's important to me.

Um on the other hand, I have to say I did talk to everybody because I was hoping to find somebody more horrible than they were in their application and throw them out.

And I was um I was really disappointed that they were they were my conversations were better than the applications.

And I have to say Sweeta in particular, I felt like I was talking to myself in terms she may hate me for saying this, but in terms of balancing that, I I sometimes tell people that okay, I'll come out as a livability yimby that I care deeply about both parts of that um equation.

And she spoke to that very deep, you can say that, but can you back it up in detail?

And she did.

Um at the same time, Ida Rose can speak to those things too, and frankly Holla can as well.

Um and I like Jerry too.

Um, but I think he should apply for the rental housing committee.

Um, so uh so the big thing for me is there will be vacancies and soon.

Um, so that uh yeah, I mean that um influences me as well.

There, I thought I thought out loud for you.

Councilmember Ramirez.

Thank you, Mayor.

I already had a um a bite at the apple, so I don't want to take too much time, but I um I think um a lot of important and compelling points made by my colleagues.

Um but to to add on to uh thoughts I shared earlier.

I think um it's it's important having uh participated in city governance for a long time.

I'm I'm um in this moment feeling a particular need to ensure that we have represent representation of communities that will probably feel um the the brunt of the change that will come out of a lot of the land use planning work that we've been doing.

Um we don't have, if you think about you know Rex Manor, right?

There's a lot of R3 in that area, not so much south of El Camino.

We have, I think currently four, correct me if I'm wrong, four planning commissioners who live south of El Camino.

And that's not because, you know, I'm not not to say that South of El Camino is not important, it's just that's not where most of the change will likely occur over the next several years.

Uh what that's not like where where change is likely to occur based on our land use planning.

Um so I I want to make sure that um areas that uh are um are going to see some but potentially significant change, right?

Either through the R3 update or through some of the state legislation that was um uh described earlier, that those communities, those neighborhoods enjoy representation on governing bodies where they will be able to share their experience in living through that change and helping shape it.

Um and you know, I uh we don't have a lot of renters, and I I I do want to encourage folks who um uh who often are not represented um to step up and um share the experience of dealing with an affordability crisis as well.

But again, that's not to say that homeowners don't feel that that pinch as well, but I think part of you know the the reality in Mountain View, almost 60% of our uh residents rent, they feel it more acutely.

Um, and I wanna make sure that that re that representation uh remains uh robust in in the work that we do.

Um and you know, I uh I think it's also important to say uh, you know, we look at uh the demographic profiles of our community, and we don't often have South Asian representation on on most of our appointed bodies, and I think that's important to consider as well.

Thank you.

Great.

Just one thing to point out, um, in terms of years in um the community.

I remember I recall when I applied to the RHC, I actually was about the same amount of time in the community as as Shueta, but there was also like other factors like I was involved in the community before I moved here.

Um I believe her work in Midpen probably also made up for that too.

Um I'm very fond of Ida Rose.

Um I wish you were my colleague.

Oh I shouldn't say that.

One day.

Um, so like it is it is a it was basically between those two that I had to to pick, and it also um does speak a lot to me that Shueta is a renter and lives in Rex Manor, which we don't get a lot of Rex Manor applicants.

Um, and that is that's an area that's getting a lot of impact from a lot of our land use decisions.

Um so that's where I'm kind of balancing it both.

I have a feeling all the rest of my colleagues are balancing those same kind of challenges because we have really good applicants, and now we're we're getting that last final way in.

And it's kind of amazing that we had a perfect tie.

But um, yeah, this is something that I will be struggling with for a long time.

Great, thank you.

Um so before um we go for our our second round of votes.

Um I think this is when I say, well, that's why there's seven, not six.

But here we are, and we will let Mr.

McAllister know when he uh I know he's zooming in.

I know he's zooming in, so uh we'll let him know we miss him.

Um but I but I just want to say that I I'm trying as much as possible to take as holistic of an approach and kind of a 30,000 foot view as possible.

Um, and the considerations that I have are less about um how long someone has lived somewhere or um necessarily where they live in our community, um, and more about um the council priorities that we're working on and who might fit into um our EPC right now, who could help um add some discussion and color to those council um priorities and discussions um because I feel like it it what's wonderful about our community is whether you've lived here a year and a half or 30 plus years, we're a community for everyone, or you're in-house, you're you're still our resident, you're a community member.

Um but I will say, and I think all my colleagues will know this.

One of the things that I'm deeply passionate about is creating pathways for people to feel like they can become homeowners if they want to in Mountain View.

And I've been working on that.

Um this the entire time I was on EPC and on our council and thinking about pathways to homeownership, particularly for for our middle income.

And as we're talking, I mean, the diversity of our planning commissioners and the areas that they live in the city is great, but being able to have a perspective of understanding of what it's like to maybe be in an unstable house situation or renting, and then hopefully becoming a homeowner going through that process.

It's just um a lived experience that I that I value and I think that's important.

And um, and she might not even remember this, but um I recall when we broke ground on the mid-Penn project on Shoreline, and Swita was there, and um I just know that she has been deeply involved in that work from my experience with her, um, and creating those opportunities for um pathways to to stable housing and pathways um to to ownership and creating those pipelines.

And for me, that's just my experience and the thing that has has stood out to me.

Um and that's that's where my vote had come from prior.

And I just want council members to know that um because we have been working on that middle income affordability work plan item for six and a half years.

Um, and so I just wanted to share that.

So shall we vote?

Are you ready for the vote, Mayor?

Okay, council member Clark voted for Ida Rose.

Councilmember Showalter voted for Ida Rose.

Councilmember uh Hicks voted for Shwetha, Mayor Kamei voted for Shwetha, Vice Mayor Ramos voted for Shwetha, and Councilmember Ramirez voted for Shweeta.

So all right, great, thank you.

All right, so do we do we need a mo?

Please.

No, you're good.

So on December 9th, we'll bring back your recommendation to reappoint Tina and then to appoint Schweita to those two terms.

Okay, great.

Thank you, City Clerk.

All right, and just want to deeply thank our applicants once again for hanging in there with us and and for um putting yourself out there to serve our city.

And as um my colleagues reminded us, it sounds like we have uh two vacancies next year.

So we'll be at this again.

Um, and so hopefully uh we'll have um people reapply.

All right, so with that, I get to move on to adjournment.

The next city council meeting meeting will be held on October 28th at 20 uh 2025.

So we are adjourned at 7 29 p.m.