And then Lacey Rathbun is absent and PJ Thomas and slides.

You know if they're coming.

I haven't heard other ones.

Okay.

That they would still come.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Then moving on to approve minutes.

What thing?

Any anybody want to make a motion?

We want to get to the maybe June 11th.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You have everybody.

Okay.

So we have um Regina was motion.

Who was second?

Okay.

Cliff, one second.

Yeah.

And then we've got wait.

Moving on to oral communications from the public.

Anybody?

So you let me know so then I don't ask.

Yeah.

Again and again.

Yeah.

That sounds good.

Um then five is upcoming agenda topics.

That's when we can suggest something.

Your closest.

Somebody's coming.

So Lacey's coming in.

Um, it's in time.

Okay.

So um I have a question regarding that.

If anybody has a suggestion in between meetings, can they just get to you and then discuss that at the agenda?

Like go something, or we would have like anyone has any suggestions for like if you think of something for um an upcoming agenda, just uh outside of a meeting, just reach out to me.

Um, Susie Regina and I have an ongoing agenda, kind of setting meeting, uh we'll double check, you know, it's within the work plan and uh when we can put it on the next agenda.

Yeah, and on the ongoing list of topics that have been suggested.

But don't feel like if you yeah, if you want to say, well, if something comes to mind, you can do that, yeah.

But always speak up to all right, um, then it takes Kirsten unfinished.

Okay, so um, the capital improvement program project updates.

Um, I just had three updates today.

So rank four part uh the artist contract and so this is for the murals with um, we're thinking Fernanda Martinez and Harumo Saito.

Um the artist contracts are um prepared for implementation after January 1.

Um, and that is because uh Senate bill um 456 to exempt muraless um passed, and um it's effective January 1.

So um both the artists are um ready.

I you know I don't know if they'll start on January 1, um but depend on weather and kind of availability, but we're ready to get the contract set for that timing and have them do the installation next year so as we find out more on the scheduling or with the we know, um, and then Villa Chiquita Park.

Um, so the park broke round.

Um the artist that was selected for this was James Din.

Um, and he was going to create uh like a panel to go on the back of a bench, um the art design is in progress and um installations tentatively scheduled for the spring of that year, uh and then Evelyn Park, uh that's the looking up arts butterfly reflect sculpture, so their design is in progress, um, an installation uh tentatively scheduled for late spring, early summer next year.

We have something like a reception for that since the reception for the park.

I think it's already passed, right?

Yeah, they did the grand opening for the reception, but I think we should still have uh grand opening for the sync about that and maybe have something unveiling or something.

Yeah.

Something small, yeah.

Yeah, so I'll probably um work with community services to kind of take a mini version of their um park grand opening and um and have an event to celebrate the looking up arts group.

Yeah, yeah.

Um so those are the three updates that we have.

Um uh capital improvements.

Is there any question other questions?

The boat house, we don't have a um oh the boat house.

Um, I'm sorry, did they have to add that one?

So um, so the artist had to step away for personal reasons.

So we're um he hasn't fully um like backed out of the project yet, but um, I think there were some things going on where he uh he isn't able to work on it right now.

So the boat house, uh the boathouse expansion project has had a little bit of delays anyway, so there's really no issue with um aligning the art with that.

So we're just kind of working with the artists as long as they can.

This is also available, yeah.

Meaning it's probably not gonna happen next year, right?

Um I don't think so.

I think there, I think there is a bid construction based on now, Sam, but I think it would probably start later next year.

Um and you know, maybe we're maybe the design works done next year.

It should be already clicked on.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but as we hear more from them, um, you know, and updated.

Yeah.

No public, nothing, yeah.

Still no public, yeah.

Okay, then let's move on.

Since we have a guest to 6.1.

Uh 6.2.

Update and discussion on our study efforts.

Hi, everybody.

My name's Amanda Rossin.

For those of you who have not met me yet or have heard me on uh the community meeting we had on the virtual one we had online a few weeks back.

Uh I'm with Art Builds Community, and um, as you know, we're working on the public art strategy for the city of Mount View for some of you um who maybe didn't know um that um our team, myself and Barbara Goldstein actually started working on this public art strategy in 2019 and stepped away um because of staff it asked us.

They were they were um you know, reprioritizing, particularly also then COVID happened.

So here we are again, which is fantastic.

This is my team.

Um you may have met some of them already.

Quinn Minuin has been really out there on the ground with staff and with our project coordinator Carla too at um the Monster Bash celebration, which was amazing.

We'll talk more about that, as well as the Dia de Muertos, and um we'll actually have one more activity that we'll be present at for the community.

Talk more about that also.

Thank you.

So now we're at the process, and I'm actually trying to follow along on my computer.

So um I know some of you have already been given this presentation, and so uh apologies for the repetition, but we wanted to come back and let the the other committee members um uh have the opportunity to also um see what has been shared.

Um and if you have already seen this and you and other ideas come up throughout it, please feel free to share um when we have the open discussion on it.

So regarding the process, um the way that our team is working on developing the strategies, we've invite city residents, business owners, community leaders, um, to share and explore ideas for the plan.

So we've done that through an in-person community meeting as well as the online community meeting and the surveys and the um pop-ups.

Um this we gather community input um through the interactive art engagement activities, which some of you may have already, if you were present at some of those events, I know some of you were.

Um you had the opportunity to meet the artist who is encouraging people to participate in sharing the type of art they'd like to see in match of view um through their through their um project with uh recycled materials.

Um then we're gonna create the public art plan.

This is gonna really include a vision, mission statement, objectives, guiding principles.

So based off of what we hear from the community, but also from city staff as well as yourselves and build recommendations based off of that, and then we come back to you and tell you this is what we have developed as recommendations.

Do you agree with this?

Does staff agree with this?

Is this doable?

I on their end as well, right?

Because they they're gonna do the work on the administrative side, and then we move forward with developing the entire plan.

Um from there, we will provide a set of the goals, policies, and objectives that will guide the development enhancement and enhancement of the program and the um the public art inventory.

We'll provide example policies and procedures that we have already in our in our toolhouse as appendices in the plan.

So that is something that we'll be able to review prior to it going public.

Um and then we developed a public art strategy.

I keep saying plan, I'm sorry, I mean strategy.

That's the words we're using.

So this gives you an uh an idea of the project timeline.

So we started in June, which is why we we didn't meet Joe till now.

Uh and that's when we initiated the project.

Um, September through December community engagement and public participation.

So as I mentioned, we had the two pop-ups.

We're gonna have another, and then right now the survey is still ongoing, both um online and in person.

December, January, February, things slowed down.

You know, we're all kind of like um stepping away from work a little bit, gives our team on opportunity to go and review all of the information that we have gathered and synthesize and develop emerging, identify the emerging themes.

Um the goal is to develop a draft strategy in February, April time period, so develop it and and really in in collaboration with staff, um, so that by May we really have that that it's reviewed and refined, and it can be basically that draft um in May is pretty much close to done, is really the goal.

So just want to give you a heads up on that.

Yeah, quite a few slides.

Um, so if you can we do questions in between slides, is that possible or yeah, if you have questions, please let me know and we can stop.

Share with us what we've learned so far from the yeah, yeah.

So this is kind of the way we're approaching the community on what can public art be.

It is art or um art experiences across all genres and disciplines.

This is what we're letting people know when they ask us.

Um, it can be temporary andor permanent and should be free and accessible to the public.

So we're all on the same page on that.

Um community engagement.

This is these are the pop-ups that we have, as I mentioned, that we've done so far.

So we were at the senior center.

That was our first pop-up, which was really fantastic.

It was really great to um engage with the seniors.

Um, we didn't affect their lunch or anything.

They were all of my, they were willing to still come out and talk to us.

So that was great.

Um, and and give us their feedback because they were really interested in the stickers engagement.

So that was that was helpful, more so than the surveys, but we did get them to do some surveys.

Um October 16th, we had the in-person community meeting, October 22nd.

Some of you were at the online community um meeting, 25th, the Monster Bash, which was amazing.

We had so much engagement on that.

We also had a translator.

Um, we did have a translator at others, but but I would say the Monster Bash was really where it made the big difference.

Yeah, um, I saw that there was like an estimated 8,000 people in attendance there.

So there and I think so many people stopped by.

We were giving out the stickers and the bookmarks that you guys have, candy, of course.

Kids just want to candy, but I think we had over 30 surveys completed just yet on Monster Bash.

So it's great.

And it's not a short survey.

If you've ever done it, you'll see, you know, it's it's it's it's a little long, but it's you know, substantial.

And they stayed.

They stuck around and they filled it out.

Um, and then October 27th, the use of youth advisory committee, um, and then the muerto.

So the next one, the last one will be December 8th, the community tree lighting.

Yeah, I really encourage if you haven't been able to go to the other two events just to come and check out the art, the temporary art that's being made.

So they made at the first event they had A created, the second event they had A and R, and now at community tree lighting they'll have T.

And it's about like probably almost six foot tall.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're huge.

Yeah, yeah.

Very fun.

Um I just wanted to second that.

I've because I've been to the last two, and it's just great to hear.

I just get the pause of people, and you overhear so many conversations, you can have your own conversation.

But even if you're just helping out or you just what's going on, gives you really good information.

Yeah.

Yeah.

To make it to the image.

If you want to talk on this, because I wasn't there at the DMs.

Yeah, so DDMURT does we had three different things going on.

So we had, you know, our table where we had all the surveys, the um art strategy information.

Uh we had the uh boards.

You could put stickers on the types and themes of art you like the most and a map where you could put pins where you want to see art in the city.

Um, so many people we were right in the entry uh between kind of the park and the front of city hall.

So everyone who was walking by came and stopped, and we had really good engagement.

Um right next to that we had uh I was greeted by Quinn Mai, um who is a part of Art Builds community.

She made a community altar.

Um so she has made all these flowers by hand.

We uh wove them throughout the tent, and people could put up um a letter to a loved one who's passed.

Um and then we had the uh temporary art installation where people could come and participate and write uh what type of art they want to see in the city um on these single-use plastics that are being added to the blog letters.

So that was really great.

Again, had over 30 surveys filled out.

I think it was four, three, four, five.

That's great.

At that one, so it was really good.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to be there.

So um, but it's a quick concise description.

It was like this.

I get everything.

Yes, a lot going on.

Yeah, and I know that this altar isn't very specific to what we were asking of the community, but I think what it was it was showing the community how c arts and culture can be a part of this muertos event, right?

And so um having that as part of what we were trying, what we were working on, um, really shows shows that the other thing here um too we have is additional engagement is the website.

So um, I don't know if any of you have been on it yet, but um, you know, we did put a lot of work into developing the econom the collaborate MV website, and that's where there's updates about what's coming on up in regards to the pop-ups, and then also um just about the the strategy in general and then um the ability the opportunity to fill out the online survey either in English or Spanish.

Um, and Mandarin, thank you.

Um the survey does conclude on December 14th.

So if you can encourage people to uh fill that out, we'd really appreciate it.

Um I think that's it for that.

This is an engagement shot, kind of shows you um where we're at in numbers, and this is as of um one minute.

Yeah, I think that's what she put in the numbers.

Um so 642 people have visited the website, which is fantastic.

Um 415 pop-up event engagement, and this is our staff person, Carla who counted all of those.

So the dots.

Um we have so far 273 total surveys, so we didn't look today, so there might be more.

Um, 110 email subscribers and 24 community workshop participation.

Um, you know, of course we would want more in the community workshop, but it's hard to get people to come to things.

Um, so I think it's just really building the uh the building in the um the understanding of you know uh what this public art program is.

Yeah, they may not know, yeah.

I think what we learned um is that there isn't a great understanding of like a public art program and Mountain View and what that means.

I think people recognize art in the community, you know, as we talk to people at uh the pop-up events.

Um they had thoughts, they had feedback on things, um, they've been thinking about things, but um, I think recognizing like, well, there's a community workshop about public art.

Like, do I participate in that?

Do I not?

Um, so I think there was probably just some hesitancy around that, or like not fully understanding.

Um, so I think this is a good way um to introduce people to what it could be, um, and getting feedback at the pop-up events has been really really great.

Are there questions in all and when we say email subscribers, that's them uh finding out about this the um through the collaborate MV.

So they'll stay connected with the program, which is which is great after the fact, right?

After the stretching, um a survey snapshot.

So here's some more um information here what we've been what we have been, what we've counted so far.

So it's really the top three of the of each one, and when you go to um when you go to the survey, you'll be able to see what the others are.

Um type of art murals, very popular, always popular, right?

56.5%, um functional art, uh 50.3%.

When we say functional, we're showing them images of uh trash receptacles, um seeding, um shade, things of that sort.

Um, and then interactive or kinetic art.

Uh, you know, we're kind of showing them things that can move by touch, or um, or uh, you know, you sit on so or sound, right?

What you can see one here in the image to the left in the middle.

Um, that's what I mean.

This one right here, you this is actually a musical kind of one.

So, you know, we're showing them that even though it says it's under the family theme, it still kind of fits into that interactive um type of art.

Then we have where to place art, and um, this is based off of a map that we've had available for the community to put pins.

Um, 88.2% have identified the downtown Mountain View area.

Um then next was parks and trails.

So we do have parks identified on the map, and then near Civic Center Plaza.

So a big component, a big high percentage at 88.2 is I think it's just it's because that's what people know.

Um, I would like to have seen if they would branch out, but we don't, you know, we're we're the consultants, right?

We don't want to tell them what to identify, right?

We want them to go to what they would like to see, um, instead, of course, them on their response.

Um, and then these are just kind of the the this is the the the top three of how people see the role of art in Mountain View, so brings a sense of whimsy and delight to everyday spaces, um, provide opportunities for people to experience art that enriches their lives and support the growth of local arts community.

And I think it's great to see that one as one of the top three um based on the survey options that we have available for the community to respond to.

Yeah, there were two things.

I think we're um replacement of art.

I know the arts and trails, the online survey survey had like a drop-down menu after you've selected that.

So we'll be able to dive deeper and see specifically which parks.

This is from the survey, right?

Because I was like, it doesn't add up to 100%.

But oh yeah, yeah.

So people can use multiple.

Because with the dots, it would also look like this, but not for everything, not for the not for the location.

You just had one.

Yeah.

It needs to add up, yeah.

Yeah, so people could choose, I think it's up to three or um three or four for some of these questions.

So this is the total one, yeah.

So this is like people had multiple options, yeah, yeah.

And we have 273 survey responses.

So that's what this is.

Oh, so it was even increased from um the snapshot.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Um I think if you would like, we can probably if you haven't already sent them a copy of the survey so they can read it at least instead of having it as like something you go and fill out, just see it as a PDF to look at it and read.

So you can have a reference.

All right, and these are the um vision boards, and it gives you an idea, it's not all of them, but um, we shared some images of some of the um the images that you know uh with the with the dots.

Um now they're most of them are take been taken off, but you'll see here the colors identify.

We've asked people to choose the colors that identify with their age range um when they pick up the the dot colors or they if they decline, not really anybody has declined on their on sharing their age range, which is nice.

And so um Carla has been gathering that data on an excel spreadsheet per event so every time we after we have an event we know from that event that's that's the number of people that those are the age ranges and these are those theme those areas of which they're identifying with kind of wanted to give you a snapshot of what that looked like so um incorporating community and stakeholder feedback um we have here just kind of how the final strategy will be based off of the VAC's vision and I know Barbara had um met with with a few of the few people that are here today um and reviewed what was our the work that's already been done before we came on board in between then and now um and how that work really is gonna support the what we learn from the community and then what we bring on board from um best practices to develop a final strategy.

And so I do want to touch on that for a second.

So when we decided um that we needed to cancel the last meeting I've made a quick decision to hold the um kind of ad hoc meeting with a few people who were available um we realized scheduling for future meetings was just going to get complicated or um schedules for the rest of the year have started filling up and so um instead of doing those small group meetings we're just going to continue to use the MBAC meetings to do updates and so we're just kind of having the same discussion um but um so this we'll kind of I think we can quickly go through some of these um so we've you know we've sent out this document a number of times and I hope everyone has had a chance to go through it and but this is really copy paste of the visual arts committees draft um the draft strategy that was created so we have it both in your packet um that this is the the one that was created by the BVC um and then um we'll have it I do have it in this printout too which was accidentally stapled upside down so I was wondering I was having issues with the printer then we're not getting along so uh we can see we'll just quickly go through it and then um we have a few questions to help yeah the discussion around prioritization.

So we we as Kristen said you know we really kind of copy pasted based off of really like diving deep into it and trying and truly understanding the work that was done um between that 2019 period and the 2025 period in 2023 with the VAC and um you know the highlighted words here in the guiding vision is innovative creative vitality um diversity um inspiring equitable and vibrant hub embraced by all I mean that is that is perfect and I I would say that our team is going to continue to use that to move forward.

You guys have you know we all did really great work in that in that time period um and made it made it easy for us so thank you.

This is the second time we've experienced this in building a plan south San Francisco's um public art committee kind of did something similar of a different um well we did have to include the um city council but um they you know reworded the vision at the study session and um October of 2024 and so uh we wanted to include that was a comparison and so I think we'll we'll have to use the city council um the suggestion that they made and um and creating what the vision looks like but I think um you know we can take both things and come up with I would suggest because the C D the C D vision is based on an older version of our vision about this one and the the previous one right so I and and I think because I because I I'm pretty sure the the city council version has nothing developed in it as well.

And that kind of I mean look it up because I'm surprised that it's that it's shorter and that's because they didn't see the next one.

Because city council didn't see the the goals where we had the economic development in.

So I'm just want to caution a little bit to take you know not not to say that the city council one just maybe say well we'll take that as a guiding vision but maybe not have it set in stone completely because it is based on an older vision and they didn't see our guy our goals at all when they discussed this.

And the goals because they pulled they pulled in economic development and I'm pretty sure into this and that that models it even more so I think maybe it's good to have all three the goals and those two visions and then revisit that some point and see what we all think what works the best.

I just want to caution a little bit because the city council no they discussed it but to discuss it based on the outdated yeah and I think when I say like we're gonna use this when we think about the the the work to the left that helps us think about the way we um separate the the themes and the recommendations.

So that that's you know it's like okay we would bring this to table but um is you all have already brought it to the table.

So that just shows that the community wants this and and by hearing it through the community engagement we can even go further.

Well I think what you're what you're saying Susie is that um our team with staff would kind of um massage this vision more and include the missing I I think the the city council might have come up with a slightly different version if they had all the information.

That's all I'm saying so maybe we shouldn't we shouldn't limit us because the council would would not want us to miss it.

So in that sense I think we're safe if we wanted to suggest because it's not different it's not completely different it's just kind of kind of added.

Yeah no I hear and we took great care to separate the vision from the Goals so which is important I think is very important so um yeah in that sense yeah we might have to let all three live include I mean those two I'm sorry next is not because here we have the economic development and I think city council in their discussion said oh economic development is missing that they didn't see this right so they added it to the vision.

Right and they I wonder how wordy we want the vision to be too right you don't want it to be to the point where it's like you can't just say it easily needs to be very and so that's why the goals come in simple vision yes I agree um and I that that's why this part right here the public art goals is going to be is I think the most crucial that is the important because it's the body exactly right um so you see here I'll just repeat them out loud cultivate and grow public art in Mount View which enhances the city's livability builds community and fosters placemaking and identities there's four things there and then public art reflects on Montreview's heritage diversity and it fuels economic development and fosters art appreciation while supporting artists so um I'd see heritage and diverse you know heritage is as kind of like a theme um and and diversity is part of that and then when we think about economic development we're thinking about how you know I think we thought we started off with um kind of informing the community on what the public art program is right that's needs to be a part of the strategy because clearly not enough people you know understand the importance of it they didn't it didn't come to the meaning in numbers like they would to housing plan in something like that degree.

So um how do we how do we encourage people to understand the importance of this program as well and then also letting artists know such as like Haromo and others who are local artists that there are they are going to be supported.

So we have here the strategies um so the framework develop augment and refine city policies and procedures dedicated staffing funding planning individual arts committee and then the outcomes um I think this is everything that um we as our built community not that I think I know this is what we um what we include in our in our process of developing a strategy or a plan.

So this this is an easy slide to sort of follow yeah and I think in all the community outreach like all the the outcomes and um action items that we have listed or you know I feel like we've heard at least one comment about each one.

And the frameworker um you know that's a lot of like administrative things that will work on the I think I'll I'll quickly go through these so we don't have to go through every bullet sign but um this is just kind of touching on all the different um the different strategies so uh and you know aligning the K5 policy um with recommendations from the strategy adopting more policies and guidelines for selection and we talk about the deaccessioning policy and um you know policy around maintaining art and how how we funding art to so what is deaccessioning um removing I guess yeah properly removing yeah we're probably removing the artwork yeah there is a making sure that the process are in processes are in place um that it's done correctly so um and this is all work that was done in 2023 this is this is where I say like the work that was done this is all you know this is what we would recommend a lot of these are what we would recommend but we want to do the work now we're at a point where we want to make sure this is what you want still and what if there's anything else that you want to add or you want to remove um yeah yeah commissioning temporary art and permanent more permanent art so temporary art like this art and activity that we're doing at the pop-ups you know that that that is a version of temporary art that we're bringing uh developing incentives and programs um to attract more arts and culture focused enterprises um and several things around funding so uh I'm creating a percent for art and private development is a huge one um so we'll be talking to um local developers um that have done work in the community um and you know have we replied in the community um to get more feedback up from them get their buy-in on potentially bring the policy for the Mountainfield and you know seeking funding for the things of grants.

I'd say also um really kind of thinking outside of the box um around uh with funding um there are something that we do as our builds community we help identify um uh grants that cities can can receive but we doesn't necessarily say arts in it but you know you can kind of get around that and make it an turn to the project to include arts in some way so um thinking about those as examples to bring forward um is and and this is this funding um slide really this is what's happening in it in the field public private percent for public art is becoming a um you know a big part of the municipalities in our region um and having a public art fund that will support a program is really that's what that kind of percent for art program is is supporting so just kind of like making sure that City of Mountain View is you know um where it should be for the public art and not behind.

And getting dedicated staffing for to find the grants and actually implement them.

Which I do have um I'll give a little bit of an update on that now too so I so there I I mentioned the other um few months ago that there the city council had um talked about adding an arts position so um this is a request that the city manager's office is going to bring to council at the mid-year budget update that's happening in February.

And so it likely would be you know several months after that uh I'm assuming resources will have to kind of create the new position um do the um create the salary ban and all that um and uh recruitment can start after city council approved so after the February meeting and I think from the time that um the positions announced to hiring will take just a few months.

So we'll the position model of a lot of other cities have.

We're doing benchmarking right now on other cities um and looking at the staffing looking at the budget looking at the programs that they have and the grants they provide to artists and what types of grants those are like dollar amounts.

So all of that will be available is that something ABC could help with as well like a chalk description for an artist absolutely it is a I think a request that's being led by the city manager's office.

So that's something we should discuss after and support the residents and so yeah we'll look at visual arts committee or this is one of the um framework strategies so looking at the jurying process um looking at ways to get input from the public inventory and updating that regularly creating the workflow with an art coordinator I think a lot of this will be very helpful to have a dedicated next framework so this is one of the um it's an outcome strategy right um so expanding and enhancing public art in mountain views looking at um different types of ways um alternatives to traditional art so Amanda talked about like the interactive art and having more events um essentially maybe doing more of these tables um having our act temporary art activities and existing events um and then having more opportunities for us to work for the community um expanding the art exhibits etc uh and we have creating relocating art from underused areas to different areas of the programs events and participation um so supporting new and existing art events um evaluating um we use open space uh for public art and parts um having more decentered um the spaces for for the arts i'd say that we're kind of doing this you know we're kind of piloting this to a certain degree already in a very kind of smaller way and it it's really building that public will for for the arts um without them realizing that we're doing that right and so I think with these stickers which are due I love art and it actually has one in one of the one of the art the city's art artworks on it.

And that's those are just ways to really build on this programs or events participation um bullet points that have been identified through the BBC.

And we've heard we heard a number of comments about um having more utility box painting as well so collaboration um I think that this has been a big um I think we've had a big push to try and um find more ways to collaborate in the city in the last few years which has been good just building on that um expanding um some of the groups that we're working with conference.

Yeah and I'd say that we would continue to um to develop what that recommendation would look like around collaboration not only with maybe other departments in the city but also um with other with nonprofits and businesses in the city particularly because Mountain View um like its neighbors has some pretty um you know major tenants here.

So how do we you know I think Google had an event around the time that we had just visited the area and it would have been really interesting to figure out a way for the public art program had it had it already been developed and developed at this that point to have a table there right about Mountain View and Public Art.

So things like that, right?

That kind of collaborative um relationship building.

Yeah and then doing more outreach.

So you know using our city city and economic development social media accounts uh newsletters using and promoting the website more I'm getting more visibility around it.

You know the a few of the people that we talked to I asked if they had seen the art map and no one has really heard of heard of it or seen it.

So yeah so that that'll be one thing that we can work on promoting getting more news out of so you know we went through that quickly but I hope everyone had a chance to read through and um think about the different um action items and we really just want to talk about um prioritization you know everything is still a priority that sounds good we'll work with that um if there have there are things that have changed um you know new new ideas or action items that you think we should include or or looking at this you read something that doesn't make sense anymore um just want to get feedback on that so these are just some questions we can focus on um we'd have a discussion too but are there any questions before we fall into discussion.

Maybe I just give a little bit of background for the new people that this was developed what you just saw was developed committee presentation was the end of 2023 and it was Lugina me and Jesse who's in the long but we're still around so if there's any kind of questions and though and what I just remember it's already it's already almost two years ago but um what I remember is that we had a more a version that had more in it and we had an extension discussion with the BAC already and some of the more well I say we we some of the things either went away or we really we rephrased them better.

So it went through that process already um and then but then it sets it's 2023 so I'm very curious to hear people still align with it.

What you just heard and then whatever just to add what we um was saying is that what was different from when we were first involved is that the ad hoc committee reached out to the city and brought what they had learned and saw into us and educated us and also kind of revealed how far behind we were so so what so that the work was really um matured would be it would be it ended up with COVID by complimenting it with what's it was Sunnyvale sort of really strengthened the whole strategy recommendations.

That's what we that's great and that's what you see there.

Yeah yeah let's say Sunny Vale and Palo Alto and we're gonna we're gonna they're they're gonna be on the benchmark list anyways to show in that benchmark list is going to be independent C that in that part of the strategy so you'll be able to for sharing that yeah I started some benchmarking at that time I guess Tiffany didn't share it with or when you were here we got caught off yeah you were here yeah you were um is anybody have any other comments on my questions or questions or I don't really have any questions I mean it's taking me a long time as a new member to really even understand what a public art strategy is so this is helpful.

Oh great.

And you have it in your package you have a PDF ours and yours right so you can because it's a lot.

It is a lot of a lot yeah it's very conceptual you know you can't really just yeah there's gonna be a lot of done after the adoption I should say too that there's going to be a work plan with it where it shows what can be done short term, midterm, long term.

And that is gonna be really close to it with staff, whether you know it's Kirsten or who or with whoever is going to be brought on, and that they would work with the ACP, right?

Because there's certain things that they have to do specifically, right?

As a staff person.

So that will be helpful visually to follow what we've developed.

If you've looked through the economic vitality strategy, um there it's it'll be kind of a similar setup.

Um there's an implementation plan, and uh, you know, we have all the the vision goals, action items, um, and there's an implementation plan that goes with that.

Um Amanda and I are going through things as we can and uh making our way through, but it's been um that's been really helpful in just setting our goals for work and um you know deciding on the things that we do.

That's still missing, right?

We have put off like that's not part of what we have as a strategy and the plan how to implement.

Oh, we will add that.

Yeah, we will have that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like what we what we've done so far.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So I'll go back to let me try and find the really quickly.

Um, because the so the visual arts committee did put together a um strategy that has a lot of best practices, things that we see in other cities.

Um, you know, we've gotten the question of like what's going to happen to the strategy.

Um so you know, we're taking what you guys have done um and all the work that you've done, the um the ideas that you've had and the things that you're taking from other cities, and we're building on that, uh, and we're gonna be doing uh so we've done, you know, all this community outreach.

We have one hour general pop-up, and we'll be doing more stakeholder um focus group meetings with artists, developers, businesses.

We're gonna be going to the Downtown Business Association in December too.

And uh I'm talking more, you know, internally across the board.

Um, making sure that all of the action items are feasible, they make sense, you know, for the public works team who um does a lot of the um planning and and work with the design for um for buildings and parks and the community services team who has to maintain all the art.

Um so we need to make sure that um and the artists who are coming in and working with us, um, we're getting feedback from everyone to make sure that it makes sense.

I think you're mentioning that because that is gonna be a uh kind of that behind the scenes work that we have is gonna be implemented into the strategy.

I think if you read uh I'm glad to hear it's reaching out to the artists because I think we've had an artist come in and talk with you here or out of the bed.

Um, in an eye-opener for me to hear them say how difficult it is.

Yeah.

For them, and if we can capture that and identify that, make it clear that these are roadblocks that we should address if we want to enhance art in this city.

Yeah, and I know a lot of the well I know in the past, and I'm not sure what the new group is, but Coverly has had mountain view bonus there, right?

People who live in Mountain View, they go to Coverley, right?

So, you know, even just going there and talking to them, we'll find out that they are Mountain View residents and they're having to go outside of the city, and you know, there's no harm in that, but to not have be able to find something or have something available in their city um to at least learn about is movies.

Yeah, and uh like the meeting with the artists, um, there might be a few other meetings like this where um staff won't be involved, the artists will have full uh talk with the consultant, they don't have to feel bad about hurting my feelings.

But yeah, so that that'll be really important to um to setting these uh you know the final action.

What about schools?

Are you reaching out to the schools?

Yeah, we'll talk with schools too.

Um we've reached out to um community school of music and arts too to get um someone designated and um we'll yeah, we'll talk with schools too.

So that was a big thing that the city council had pushed was um they had asked a few times about how we're gonna be working with different groups and schools was one that came out of it.

Yeah, including freestyle extrapolation.

I mentioned that on yeah, is is that process where everything comes together?

Are we gonna be forums like throughout?

Yeah, yes, it's not gonna be all of a sudden.

Right and then we have the meetings on Thursdays so we'll inform yeah so we have yeah we have um weekly bi-weekly check-ins um and well we're so we're doing um right now biweekly check-ins and probably we'll go to monthly as we're kind of finalizing some of the stuff with the visual arts um the ad hoc committee who created the strategy um and then you know next month I'll give you guys an update on where things are at if we've gotten any um you know more updates or the snapshots of you know feedback that we've gotten and all that and um whatever else is going on and then um I think we're I think we're aiming for February March to bring back um some like our master rough yeah we have that here in the timeline where we say umber February would be like emerging themes so maybe what we'll do is we'll we'll share the emerging themes in February and then we'll start to draft it throughout the months of February March April.

So the themes are helpful because if you agree on that I think we might even be able to have some recommendations at that point as well if you if that's agreed upon both in the administration or you know staff and with VAC we can really start to develop the strategy.

So um and when we say when I say that I'm talking about not only the body but also the appendices um and then you know my Quinmai will have to have time to design the entire strategy as well so that also takes a big chunk of time.

It probably could the biweekly meetings are between Kirsten ABC and then so probably be good in December because we don't have a meeting in January like the quick update what's going on and maybe I mean or could just I mean we could do that internally and just that you all know what's going on.

You don't want to go back to the questions just in it so we have anything to so my view of the questions is what you have is the best effort we made on the C.

And really it went yeah it went in the whole for a year when for you to come on so I would be loath to touch what we know we get back additional information so I'm really hungry to hear what you hear.

Okay.

And once we get that then looking at what we what we did created and sort of just a good use of I think our time but right now um what you have is still have is what our best effort and and right now it needs to be checked or with reality of what's here from the community.

Yeah we hear that and balance out when we start prioritizing.

But right now I I'd I'd be loath to say let's change anything a bunch of new people right so maybe I mean I'd be a good you know I mean I'm not used to doing any of this kind of work so like it looks good to me.

You know great start yeah yeah I mean it looks like a great a lot of hard work by that something looks like a great place to start I agree and and I mean I think we should hear from the community see how it aligns with what this got started five years ago and go from there.

Yeah okay.

And and you brought some great examples because in the printed version of the agenda says like oh such as digital or temporary like are there additional things you want to see in such as digital or tempor temporary art we have in the attitude but neighborhood scale project and artist development books.

I would say bring it all like more the merrier right all good stuff I mean, but I think it goes hand in hand with with what we learn, right if it I'm really curious that um how I sell the survey, it's like goes through the survey, but there's a a box where you can just write whatever, yeah.

Right.

And I'm very curious what people say there, right.

And I'm hoping like things like that.

More for the artists.

Like, yeah, have a program.

Nobody has that, like things like I mean, maybe true or not, but just yeah, kind of along those lines.

I'm wondering what people say.

And we'll add that in the plan.

We'll have some of those like reoccurring statements that were uh if there's a consistency in the statements and goal.

Um, there's some anecdotally that stand out that we want to here, um, and Amanda, uh, so I'll do a quick introduction to Amanda Rotella, who you may have met already, but now as our economic vitality manager officially.

So you all that's really thank you.

Uh yeah, we're I've just wanted to say, you know, really excited to be jumping into this work, and you know, as Kirsten Amanda said, really building on all the great work that you all have done.

Um, and I'm really, I mean, just looking at you know, seeing the numbers for how much the community has participated.

Um, you know, I've got a background in community engagement, and I can tell you these numbers are really impressive.

Just how much the community is like eager to like share and participate and engage.

Um obviously we created a really engaging process.

Like if you haven't seen the letters in person, they are so cool.

I can't wait.

I want to like bring them around with us everywhere we go.

Um, but in addition to like the feedback that we're getting from the community, I really do want to stress the piece that Kirsten mentioned, just for your all consideration, the internal staff level feedback is going to be really critical.

Because we see with these plans, um, implementation, we we economic development team won't be able to do it alone.

And so the considerations, the constraints, the staff perspective is gonna be an important layer for you all to, you know, a important lens to look at the final product with.

Um we've seen we've had plans in the past that haven't been like properly, you know, gotten enough input internally, and then when we turn around and try and implement it's there's a lot of roadblocks.

So I just encourage you all to ensure that that's you know a part of your consideration as well because it'll make implementation a lot easier for us if we have our colleagues like invested on board and like they're like you know behind the strategy and like yes, we can do this.

Uh so just further emphasizing that important piece because the community engagement's important, but the staff like feasibility analysis is gonna be really key, yeah.

It's basically it's gonna be really important.

Um, it sounds like there's no, you know, that you agree that this is still alignment um to this day.

Um no new emerging needs or opportunities that should be added, it sounds like we're getting it still still there.

Um again, I think we people can reach out to us, right?

Right, and then because we're keeping using something, right?

And whatever else we've already seen in the plan in the surveys and the communication, you know, that will but in regards to those specifically, nothing new, and then any draft priorities that may be less relevant or um useful based on current feedback, finding or just sounds like we're this is still um what we should work on.

Okay.

Um I want to express this again.

Email me if you see something, like an example of something like from another community or whatever.

You think of something, just send it over.

Um, sending it all.

Thank you.

Well, what's great about it is we can use images of those examples in the plan as examples, right?

Yeah, what this can be.

One thing that did come up when you did the um online session, uh-huh.

So you need some preliminary results, and I heard a lot of people want to um which would you call it, Tom, um um wayfinding.

Yes.

Which I understood is basically nice signs.

Yes, which which goes back to you know high cracks.

Right.

You know, the cheapest thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Something designed.

Right.

Is that part of how would that work?

I guess that would my question would be is how does that um get implemented into the city?

Is there a design?

How do you get that DNA?

That's where you know, when I mentioned the fund the different type of funding opportunities that aren't necessarily art specific, but where we can embed art as part of like the pro that that project.

That's the example, that's the kind of example I'm I you're bringing up, is what I'm referring to.

So I thank you for bringing that up, Cliff, because that's what we would be.

I think it's an important remark because the design part is always a little bit doesn't have a place right now.

Yeah.

Right.

Architecture, like it's all of those things that are not really art, but they're also but they would enhance your art, but it's not well they're they're designed, right?

The way it's just yeah, thinking right, that's how you define art.

Yeah, but more design.

Design is probably more the the right word, and that that doesn't, yeah, that needs to have find a place.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So so you're thinking about that.

That's where that that's where the the um uh reaching out to these other other grants, etc.

Yes, in regards to funding and then understanding that you know, having conversations with um some of the other city departments so that if a project does come up, like say um, you know, uh for example, and not that any of this is happening right now, but a new park was gonna be developed, and that there's gonna be trash receptacles, seating, bike racks, artist has to come on board the same time as the the park design designer comes on board.

So it's a collaborative effort instead of an afterthought, right?

And so thinking about that as you know important players time and time again, especially for the playground equipment.

Right, well some is sometimes completely overpowering the whole park, and we should have known that that I mean, probably in a good way, but yeah, our art is kind of like yeah, I couldn't agree more.

We ran into that problem many times.

I just pulled the slide back up because the interactive art, which I think bike racks would fall under that, uh like the trash receptacles.

That was you know, one of the top types of art that people have said so far that they want to see.

And so I think like a the strategy might not get as prescriptive as like the bike cracks, but examples, yeah.

Like, examples of the body work in that's part of the process.

Like again, I'll give you another example.

I was down in Morgan Hill, for example, and I was walking down to the redesign downtown, right?

They have a beautiful crack, says Morgan Hill on it, yeah.

Which is beautifully designed, yeah.

And I come here and I look at the little U-shaped black, what an unloved environment, as opposed to what you see in Logan, and it matches what we heard in the online session where people wanted to be able to have something beautiful to look at when they walked around, right?

Exactly.

That enhances the environment and brings joy.

Right.

And I think it's with us also um understanding some of the other um plans that are in place and seeing where art is um mentioned in those plan in those plans, uh, so that we can reference that as the areas of which you know refer to what you're you're you're mentioning, Cliff, and that that's that's part of like my role is that research part in mind is the outside engagement.

I do the reading.

Yeah, I mean that'll be a good question to bring up that some of our like the internal meetings.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Because I remember when when uh Ray Rodriguez used to work with the city and he had an eye, right?

I mean he was a jeweler, he had an eye.

He's really good, yeah.

He's retired.

He's still doing some work with the city, he's working with Fernanda and Harumo online.

Now she was retiring, I asked him, Ray, who's next Ray?

And he did have an answer there.

But but you know, to have that type of thinking embedded into the staff, be really key for overall success.

So how you can work that in.

Yeah.

It seems like functional art really categorizes a lot of what we're talking about.

If you don't have the city now, and so it's again, how do you draw how do you drive it?

And how far would it go, right?

Does it include the design element?

And I mean we have a downtown.

I will tell you, I learned from the thing that um uh Kirsten sent me to in um the SB creates like Morgan Hill has an enormous visual arts committee.

They did a little presentation and they just have they seem to have so much going on.

Yeah.

Anyway sorry a little side sorry we know Edith it's great.

What I wanted to say is that that eventually maybe not maybe 10 years down the line but the downtown needs to be rebuilt right and I think with edge in zone and everything's against code what's currently there.

At some point this we have this huge project that's coming I think for us it's being ready would actually be I think it's for us it's understanding what is that if it is what does that look like and where how does public art be a part of that right so like right now we're working with the city of Newark and they are basically creating their own little downtown.

It's called they're calling it yeah newer California just here so um and it's called old town.

So it's a it's a basically a redevelopment of an older part of the city and it's a small city right and so um we are the public art consultants for that project so we're we you know they they are bringing in a gateway their the tree grates and the the um they're gonna have um the way that the banners are they we're only because it was an afterthought the funding for it is not as high if we can't do as much art implementation or like um uh um art in the um benches and so forth like we had wanted initially but their understanding as a city that this is going to be important for even future projects but so you know I think you know getting early in these potential redevelopment of areas is going to be important and and and be a recommendation um for future projects so that's what you're gonna work that's part of the effort of working through the staff departments.

Yeah and understanding what's coming up down the pipeline what are what are you know potential projects or even thinking about we are how to do the strategy yeah are there any other questions?

For companies oh February is when we get we work on that's the goal yeah yeah since January's yeah yeah February March.

Very much but as we said in if you have things in between thank you.

Thank you Amanda letting me have an open conversation with you.

It's been exciting I'm glad to be back and it's really great to um see this new city logo it's different so it's been fun to play with those colors I'm gonna get out of the way okay all right thank you everybody have a good rest of your meeting um still no member of the public yeah I was just gonna say I'm I've I've been checking and I've had anyone from the public thank you so much.

Okay then we're moving on to six points three visual arts down performing arts ad hoc committee.

We have a memo yeah there's an IMA I think I do we have a lot more notes but I think it's all in here.

Yeah I can jump in I think we can also notes but my my notes from the meeting but um I remembered we met now how many times three times um three times I think that maybe um with uh uh performing arts and downtown subcommittees and um yeah the idea here is to um well get arts more into well in the C performing arts center and also ways of getting it into the city from public art or you know do more initiatives and so what we um plan now is to have a reception for um on Hushman who's opening or he's showing in February uh performing art center so we're planning a big reception on the February 17th so there will be uh he's going to speak there will be a moderator and to the theme and his code switching I didn't wasn't sure what code switching was but um yeah so I'm probably not going to explain this very well but code switching is um I think it's when you feel like you're you're kind of taking on different you're taking on different personas to match kind of the culture or the group or you're with uh you switch from the common perception right where we I mean you it's like fitting in like you fit in what in the environment wherever you are sort of a little chameleon kind of action I mean it's you know you speak to different people you use maybe different language or accents or yeah yeah and I mean I mean you know it I I think maybe one of the most um like you know it can be like life saving measure as well.

I mean African Americans who could pass as white code switched so they could pass you know and they you know and and they had that they were able to that whereas a someone with darker skin maybe is not able to to code switch in quite the same way.

So it's just ways that people turn on different mannerisms or speech habits or dress differently so they fit in with the prevailing you know social whatever milieu and so that and and in the like I said most dramatic cases it's it's can be a life saving you know thing yeah yeah and I think pretty it can be pretty dramatic you know yeah understand like what it can some people can do this based on whatever and some people don't have that luxury actually to code switch.

Yeah and the artist had exploring tea um was out um during the height of the AIDS epidemic and um I think living in New York or San Francisco and then move to a place that um wasn't uh accepting of people who are in the LGBTQ community and so he um kind of reverted back to um being closeted and um and so that's where his art and this exhibit came from yeah and so he has a lot of experience doing artist talks he did um an MPR talk about his code switching um exhibit and um I think it was MPR um it was a more local version of it.

It's on YouTube you can as a little yeah he seems like he's gonna be great because he seems like he's really at ease kind of environment and and talking about his stuff and seems to have a lot of things ready to go so it'll be good.

I think what did you think February 17th Tuesday there were only a few dates available um for rental at the center for performing art so that was their agenda.

And also apparently the the companies book the whole place so you know where it's accessible for the public because it's limited so they can have an event like this because I think they're planning to have a it'll be at the second stage um as well it will be in the theater it's going to be the talk and then you know for the public to have the tickets and the tickets are free but they want people have tickets and we refreshments so we kind of who's organizing what in the committee um so yeah I guess I brought it up Tuesday because it's not a natural day for people like a like a Thursday.

Right normally an opening is Thursday or Friday.

So you're gonna have to do more yard outreach.

Right.

So you're going to do posters that'll be digital so everybody can send it out we do like some we hang it in the shops and so that'll be done I think by December.

Yeah we'll be prepping everything in December um ready for marketing in January and it you know we did we had to kind of follow the availability of the Center for Performing Arts but um I think also a big goal of the committee is bringing things downtown and Tuesday is an off day um you know not as busy downtown so you know we're bringing an event um and bringing work here into the downtown focus on arts performing arts um on a day that we have as many and we will be ready to pivot if we don't happen to get um a lot of people showing up we'll be ready to pivot and go into the lobby and um have Donald talk about his art and in front of it so if we end up having a smaller group and maybe it'll be a more intimate conversation um but we'll be prepared to have um have a larger event in the second stage.

Second stage is a nice nice environment.

But yeah so if you have connections to any other art organizations I don't know once we have all the materials you know send it out you know get on newsletters okay yeah we'll use the public art strategy try to reach out to the LTG.

Yeah that too but whatever communities you are so you'll have something that we can post yeah is it at the beginning of his exhibition time or middle or a little bit later I think I think he starts with yeah in he's already showing the new one is now yeah manny uh manuel sanchez is up now his um art's really cool it's all woodworking and um he has all different colors of wood I don't know how it's so it's a winter is it opened isn't it so I mean do you have to go to an event to go in there staffing I mean I I brought that up right if it's the Wednesday to Friday three to I think it it should be Wednesday to Saturday from noon to three and one hour before an event it's open to the public but I I know the um the center was considering um reducing their hours open because of staffing um so I think they they aligned the hours with when the box office is open um so that's kind of the current um system which is 12 to three 12 to three Wednesday through Saturday um and then an hour before every event so those ones are typically evening maybe that would be good to mention that it's box office hour time because it's so hard to remember that's something you could go by to you could put that up or you want to say oh when's the box office open or I go and get tickets then then I should go I to me that almost maybe a little bit of an anchor to know when it sometimes oh that's when the box is ideally it would be more than this evening right like maybe two hours before the performance starts.

Well that's what that it would be some hour again but yeah yeah now it's an hour but I'm just thinking you know if there's any possibility to you know they have if they have volunteers they could keep it open maybe a little more I don't know they do have volunteers but they I think the volunteers are focused on the uh ushering and yeah during the audiences that will be actually to have it more accessible for people I think a big one because it's the only part from CSMA it's the only place where there's art shown in the city there's no gallery otherwise so yeah maybe that's something we can do this is the first first so maybe farming out on this and kind of if there's interest and we gather a lot of people maybe like inspires the bit more for the public topic.

And yeah just to contextualize this is the idea that we are since it is a pilot we're just gauging how this goes and considering doing this with free artists with ex artists I don't think it would be every artist I think not all of them are center is not they have a very limited availability to but maybe do it twice or three times is in the group like you know consensus that we need to do more on that yeah we'll have to work out a system for it and there is a cost associated with it for for this you know we're thinking about wine food and for market we were paying for marketing um printing um having staff there so that you know if the center for performing arts doesn't have an event that night they're paying for staff to to be there that evening so um so there is a cost cons extra cost consideration to it but um it is one of the items in the art strategy to expand on and enhance the um the once once we're filling our bags with money from it to do this all the time interesting when I search it up it says the office the box office is open 12 to 6 Wednesday to Saturday but that's not true is it?

Maybe they've changed it okay so um there is if you're looking at the Center for Performing Arts website I just did a search it like any like someone might you know and oh okay I'm getting all this speech makes it might be a nice so then this is open till we have to close to the performance kind of sometimes they have Monday nights they have two years a day.

So then they might open midday and then maybe it's they open to find out and one one of the ideas I had because you said there's a there's a video about him I mean maybe it doesn't always have to be a reception right it could be a film an artist or a something else but they have it available yeah but I don't think yeah or if the artist like properly does um if the artists want to host the workshop the workshop would be fine.

I'm just saying like speedballing if it's not a reception because that maybe the space to do that yeah I think for this year the yeah the ad hoc committee decided on the pilot reception because part of that is the capacity for staff to be able to be something else to plan it and implement it so and again it's a pilot so we're gonna learn yeah exactly exactly so it is this something that we can we're gonna turn to it later the process for picking artists for next year.

Yeah this be some one of the things that we look at also or float as an idea.

Yeah I think this is a this is a good start a good test and and seeing if we you know if we can book um you know a day or two out uh yeah yeah you're ahead of time and yeah yeah okay it would actually be a perfect segue to the next that's why that's remembered question oh no I just sounds good so there's still no public attendees online yeah nothing okay everybody good seven new business the first one 7.1 is actually talking about the artist for the yeah exhibitions okay so annually we do uh so the the visual arts committee authorizes the call for artists for the mountain view center for performing arts exhibits um so the committee you know you authorize the call we issue it take an applications you'll review all the application and then advise on the the selection of artists event.

Um so we're currently scheduled through April 20th of 2026 um so this new call for artists would be starting um in April 2026.

I think the 21st.

This is um Natalia.

I can't remember her last name, but um she would just she was just exhibiting a month or two ago.

So um this is the current artist eligibility.

So we stuck with the this is what we did last year.

So 18 years older or um someone with an adult sponsor um so they're students um high school students or single exhibit or group exhibit um residing in one of 11 Bay area counties and um there's a preference for artists who have not exhibited in the past three years unless they have a substantially new audio.

Application materials that we're requiring so resume um website or active social media pages and then five to ten images of artwork with details and so um when the visual arts committee does the jurying for these um you'll go through all of the example images that they submit and um you'll end up scoring them out of one out of seven and um you know we look at the average score and then talking about the top 12 or so um at the the February meeting.

System reviews I remember from last time yeah we did it last yeah I think we went off all the paint and ethos.

So proposing it one small change um so expanding the exhibit duration from six to eight weeks so um you know especially if um the Center for Performing Arts does reduce their hours a little bit it gives the artists a little bit more exposure during the duration uh and there's more overlap with different performances um and then uh I'm reducing some of the logistics it's a really quick turnaround um the six week turnaround to do um you know we have the two contract and um all the people of platform um and beamed and um so just making sure that we're being able to get things done and fewer artists I've just heard yeah it would mean fewer artists too so how many so from eight to six yeah yeah so eight in the two or two so six artists yeah yeah down from eight oh is it only eight um yeah so the next year well and it might be a little bit more I should have counted this out before I'm not gonna be able to do right now um yeah it would start April and I I was thinking we could extend it down to June um of that should be 2027 I'm not 26.

So I think that I think it might end up evening out to the number of artists if we just extend it a little bit um then that kind of lines us up a little bit more with the um this whole year.

I mean we had this discussion a bunch of times and it went usually in the direction more artists but I totally understand the logistics and also for me like I see somebody new and then they're already gone by the time I have a but if we can have both in a way that we maybe can do seven because it fits because we extend the period a bit then we would have but we'll we'll see yeah and there is um because there's a closure during December um I've ultimately ended up extending that one by a week um because they're the city hall center for performing arts is closed um so there is a little variation in how this ends up getting implemented just to kind of make it their distribution.

So you will come back to us if it's sixth or seventh we know so yeah we'll come back um so I think we can um get the call published by um the week of December 18th um I have an application deadline of January 23rd uh visual arts committee will review um we are giving a little buffer time for me to be able to come through and remove any applications that totally are ineligible and um then at the February meeting, you guys would discuss the varying results and then make the selection.

I just want to clarify on you will so we can't go up the artist's video while I validate that they're in 11 countries.

Yeah, yeah.

I think I may have missed some last year, but um I did last I think the first year, I'm not even sure what I did.

Last year, and I know I went through all of them.

And um, um, you know, there was someone who submitted sculpture, big big giant sculptures to display on the wall.

Um and so there are some that we ended up removing some people from the country or out of the state.

Um so yeah, so okay, good.

I'm just clarifying.

Yeah, yeah.

I have just one remark regarding the um the call.

Um things that something I heard from artists is like when you reach out to them and ask that they apply that they say I don't have enough new work because automatically they kind of assume this year's crop, basically, that we want to see.

And then I always say, No, it's like submit it to us.

We we decide, right?

But it doesn't need to be new.

I mean, new in a sense of this year's work.

But it a little, it seems maybe that's galleries do this more.

Like, right, that it's occurring.

And one of the recent, yeah.

That is your recent work.

I guess I have a question because what I want to sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I understand what you're getting at.

But I also want to know is like the stuff we see, that's not necessarily what they present, what they show if they get picked.

I think but your wording asks that because but we need to maybe make that make that because we want to see what they're in it.

No, but but we only get to see five examples, well, show can be 30 things, right?

So we don't see the whole thing.

We see the examples.

I think some artists they end up selling things between the time that they exhibit, you know, show us and so if they're only showing five things, it's just really little.

No, they're not showing.

I mean, the worth seeing only pick.

It's not very much.

It's really just a little snapshot.

Correct.

We've seen the artist.

It's just been going on though for years.

We see right five, so and it seems to be creating the show.

No, we're picking the artists, and the fact that they have to have a website for the social media.

Do we get to go there?

Um, you should be able to see it.

Oh, yeah, that's what all the time is.

Oh, I don't know if I knew that was.

That's why this time is nice.

You can you can find out a lot about the social media and active website.

It would be more it'd be more obvious what they would be showing.

Yeah, we have the last two.

It's kind of newish.

It's newish.

I've noticed it is that we can't emphasize it.

It always works out great, I feel like.

Like the exhibitions are always exceeding my expectations because from those five things that I see year after year now, with some people I have medium, medium expectations, right?

And then we're like, wow, where does that all this work come from?

And then that's why I think it's great to look at all the work that we've done otherwise.

But I also think in the call we need to be explicit and say, show us the things you want to exhibit.

But to me, it's also maybe worth mentioning.

It doesn't need to be their choice, it doesn't need to be their most recent work.

Most recent just in the sense of people get maybe get more people to apply.

If if they don't need to feel like this, uh this year I didn't produce much.

So I cannot respond.

I think that's a good thing.

I think that's that's a very good point.

I do know that I would want people feel comfortable to say I can I can show the last five years or so.

Is that typically only like formally communicated to them after they're chosen?

It's in the call for artists in the okay, and that's what they get, like even if they're chosen.

Um, that's what they see when they apply.

When they decide to apply.

Well, right.

So, do we give them more information after they're chosen?

And we bring them exhibit, or yeah, um not really.

No, I think we haven't.

I don't think historically we've given them sometimes a dead prescription on how to display.

And I what I've heard from um I think a lot of the people who have exhibited is they've you know they've made more work and want to exhibit more of their um like different different types of bodies of works.

I think um I think all of the exhibits that we've had they've shown things that were in their samples, but there might be some new different things that are in there too, and they don't get a huge stipend.

Um it's there's a lot of visibility at the performances, but because the hours are a little bit awkward, I think just it's a chance to be able to give a more local artist um experience exhibiting.

I mean the call and we say what the space, the size of the space that's available to them to show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We do have um, we do have some of those details in there, and then we give them a more clear kind of guideline document afterwards.

They work really closely with the um I remember his title, but Orin Meadows at the Center for Performing Arts, he does all the hanging and um and helps people decide where to hang things, and yeah.

Um at one point they were talking about having the upper scope of the floor available to show a lot.

Is that is that right?

I think they're I think the um the center is open to it still.

I know um when we last spoke to them, um I think they they wanted to change out there's some issues with the lighting upstairs, and then I think the other issue is just staff capacity, they have that closed most of the time unless there is an event going on and people are going upstairs, so um there so it would be less disabilities.

Um, I just mentioned it because I remember that we're talking about yeah, okay.

So still, yeah.

So I can I guess what I'm hearing is to in the call to artists make sure it's understood that it's the work that they want to present.

But it's because I think in your call for it it says the work you're gonna present, it actually says in here.

I think I read that and the only other save, and I think we just leaving off the slide.

Yeah, I think we do ask um show us what we have.

But my question is around should we also say like but it's up to you what you show us.

Don't feel your like your chosen body work, needs to be like um yeah, it says only says to ten images with annotations, the artists or teams work, going to be displayed.

Yeah, all images must be of the uh exhibit for six to eight weeks.

So it's also yeah, we could add so just so instead of saying it must be part of their display, just having asking for that, but leaving it open for repetition.

What do you mean?

No, I mean you can leave that.

It's I think the the point was fun to to emphasize it doesn't need to be recent work.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, no, it says the work that it's gonna be displayed.

So it's already in there.

Yeah, okay, but the other thing is but I mean it doesn't say recent work.

I don't I mean my question is just to everybody.

Should we add that to the it doesn't necessarily explicitly say anything, right?

It's just negate something that's not said, so yeah, yeah.

I think someone could have an older body of work that you know has an exhibit before, wants to start getting out showing it.

Yeah, so by the so it's it's pretty neutral, so we'll just leave it that way then.

I guess what's also new is making sure that state that their website or social media you mean explicit about that.

I don't recall that we did have it.

We have that in the now, which I think is good.

Yeah, I know I think so.

Yeah, that's we get the snapshot of the exhibit, and then you get to see more of their work.

Because it's part of everything we learned about them, right in the last two years.

And if they're capable to fill a whole, I think now sometimes I really need to see the website or the C just make it up for the somewhere.

I just wanted to touch on this quickly.

So just um, I think we you know we've talked about promotion um around the calls for artists, um this both for this exhibit and for other calls for artists.

So um in the staff report I outlined kind of a few of the different ways that we anticipate to promote this, uh and so doing the online promotions, um using our artist registry email list, and I'll probably just send it out to the people who signed up for the public art strategy too.

Um sending it out to our regional partners again.

Um I've been able to get a lot more contacts at the different schools and art programs in the area, and then we always encourage everyone to send it out to their own networks too.

Does it go out to Freestyle?

I don't I didn't have a contact until this year.

So do you have a contact?

I do now, yeah.

They have their grad, they you know, the graduates too are certainly over 18.

Or at least kind of the outreach.

Is he still?

Because he also keeps in touch with a lot of people, I think.

Yeah, Leo would be a good source.

We could even do a team thing, yeah.

Cause I mean, a lot of the lot of these is a lot, but you know if they all stick together.

It's so clever, that would be kind of cool.

It's not only supporting students, it's also good because they use, it brings up all the parents because the parents are probably talking about their children.

That's the thing that shows them, and then so it'd also be bringing the promotion for the CPA and for public art.

I think that's also really good when you talk about getting more attention with the visual arts committee.

I mean, that's kind of body that have kids and the parents get really involved.

Yeah, and then it gets more exposure, that's incentive.

So in terms of getting out, and then people could be even more formal that they have their final projects, if it's CPA.

So that is such a great point because I wonder.

That would be something we need to discuss now.

Because they know it's like phenomenal.

Yeah, we wanted to say one of those six or seven or the seventh, they do it at the six, seven, stream museums.

A lot of people, and then once a year, it's freestyle.

I mean, they have the kids that are freestyle like something, have their short films that everybody comes in.

And then also then they have a public, it's not just a school, it's cool to have it associated with our city, but school and the city work in a lot of exposure.

Yeah, because freestyle then could be awesome.

So that would be great.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think um, I guess one thought and suggestion is maybe it's holding space in the summer, um, when they don't have school because the installation and removal needs to take place on a weekday.

Um, the center um has been really um they really want to keep it the in their removal on Monday and then installation on Tuesday, and that kind of aligns really well with their work schedule and and how they're operating.

So I think if we maybe it's um being really clear in the call, um that they're we want to see um proposals from students to display sometime in the summer.

Just that another round.

I like that.

I like that one thing.

I mean, it's uh graduation for a specific like a freestyle specific or something, just because then the exposure goes out all through the high school, and the community can come back and even be aware of what we're doing as in the community.

And also the session is a student has that body of work.

No, they don't, it have to be it would be a collaboration.

Right, but we're saying just the organization.

The teacher, we need to be careful because freestyle has their own exhibition as well at the end of the school.

They have it.

And telling them, and now you well, we could talk in a similar area again.

That doesn't freestyle has its exhibition.

So why don't we reach out to the whole to reach out and find out.

Yeah, I I'm I'm happy to reach out.

I uh you know, in reaching out to some of the schools about the art strategy and and talking with them.

Um, it sounds like everyone is at max capacity, and so coordinating this when they have their school year planned out, I think would be challenging for this year.

And I I'm not sure if I have the capacity to be able to be sure it's planned until it has to be this year.

Maybe for the next cycle, or just even seeing if that's of interest first, right?

And then if it is projecting forward, yeah, because my feeling is there's this, there's different also divisions of freestyle, like film, there's film, there's graphic, there's cartoon animation, and um, and then that potential exposure for students, and then what it could do for them if that's of interest.

And then if it is, and a lot of those students do for the shows, and it's also good for their resume building and all of that, outside of the school, if it's something within the community performing art center.

Like, I know just from little shows I've done, like it'll be a gallery, it could be a college gallery, but it's not named with the college.

So people are like, Oh, it's just a way of getting yourself out there, should we remember you're gonna have a new art center, oh like but I guess the first thing is to just general interest of the questions, obviously, there's a lot of interest from the committee for this.

I think my interest is we need to get visual, I didn't even know this existed, and I'm passionate about art and community until like Alice and Hicks told me about it.

I didn't even know what the visual arts committee was, so in terms of people like getting more engaged exposure, there's all different ways, and that's just another possibility.

And then parents of the kids learn it, you're like, Oh, there's a visual arts committee.

Oh, then maybe I would you know, could we do some kind of pilot that doesn't involve the teachers but just kind of still reaching out to those groups and then student artists by maybe just facilitate?

We say, Well, the you need to have find a teacher for their private room, not that the work they do it freestyle or in their art program, but facilitate maybe a little bit, kind of tell them this is how you do it, yeah, but try to try.

Well, I guess what if we uh and post the call um as is or if there's any other suggestions for changes, and um I can reach out to the school and see if they uh just encourage applications, but they would have to apply with samples of their art for for you guys to review.

Um and then I think you know maybe it's next year we look at creating like a more designated space for that space and time to do.

Well, then also if you plant the idea, then you can plan ahead.

Yeah, yeah, because it might yeah, they don't have the work done now, it might not be enough time for if they have finals or whatever.

Yeah, and I think sometimes just a little bit of encouragement, like they don't have a resume yet, right?

And we not gonna not consider them because their resume is short, right?

The other thing, it's sometimes things like that.

So this application would discourage a lot of these artists, it's just overwhelming.

So that in terms of when we see, oh god, I gotta plug it on my website.

Oh god, I did it.

Like, and so that's fine, I think for what we're doing here, but then if there's like some kind of side where it does bring in younger, like a younger artist that doesn't have this.

Well, they have the social media of Insta and stuff like that, for sure.

Yeah, that's true.

Into the art strategy, Insta, they might not have their website, but it's insta for sure.

Yeah, I think that is what there's a lot of conversations going on right now.

So you might pull this into the art strategy because you could be a book reaching out to the schools, etc.

You want to turn a new new leaf on this, and so that becomes part of the discussion because you need to point.

We don't want to have the individual kid have to do all this, and the institution know that come June, June, July, whatever day that you're going to present something and make that organization can work with the student artist, present something.

Or the students can get together and maybe we could do instead of the end of a collaboration on their own, yeah.

Yeah, but but but but we have something that is organized so that we don't need also on staff or collaborating with another organization to work together.

We give voice to the kids.

I think we need to do more.

I think that's just I think we can do it both.

I think definitely, right?

This needs to go.

We need to have a pathway to do this, and and how do we do that?

But but I think Kirsten's suggestion is good, right?

We can't just pull that out of the hat right now.

But what we can do is learn about it, figure out how this will work in the future so that we have processes in place next time.

So we just reach out to them, and I think we then when we jury, or when we get closer to it, we need to have another conversation if the if the application is incomplete or very very short, right?

Are we still gonna look at that or are we then as a as a group wanting to to uh to offer that space to to a school group?

We can still discuss that once the applications come in.

Right, or designate it for you know some kind of student.

Or or whatever, it's designated, and then we work through the organization.

This time already, uh we may not be able to do it that this time out, but that's what I'm hearing.

But we plan for it.

Right, yeah.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

That's what I mean.

So that we then know that the organization, we're gonna work with the organization to bring the student work together, yeah.

And for that, I think it would be good.

We give it a try this year, however, we can do it this year.

Next year we are ready to say now a spot is reserved because it worked last year.

Yeah, if we can.

Yeah.

But but the idea I really like.

Yeah, that brings well, brings community in.

That's the part we need to do more of.

I have a question.

I don't know when I'm supposed to ask this, but um, the question or no?

Well, okay, hold one second.

Okay, that's fine.

I'm leaving.

You stay here quit.

We're good to answer questions.

No, it's the next the well, the second to next one.

It's the open bucket for questions.

Okay.

Well, the questions about the call for artists you can ask now.

If it's a more general question, if it's general, it's it's including artists, but it's not this, so I'll wait.

Okay, because it's just hold.

I don't leave.

As you will have seen lots of discussions going on.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think um we'll send this information out to Freestyle now, open up the conversation, and other schools open up the conversation about how we can work together to do a student exhibit.

Um, and then doning for next year, and maybe we have start the conversation earlier, just keep it going now to see if there's more of a time frame that works better to set aside.

Yeah, okay.

I'm throwing it in this.

When a lot of these kids that are applying to universities, they have to put together a portfolio anyway.

So yeah, cool.

If all that work can also go toward showing in their community, you know.

And the information they have to put is what you want to do.

So, why not?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I will up.

Be rewarded.

Yeah, so we don't need to add anything, but just you you're just gonna do out.

Yeah, I didn't think there were any changes to the changes, and it's just the outreach.

Kirsten will do specific outreach to school.

Okay.

Yeah.

Sounds good.

And there were still no.

Do we need online participants?

You need to do we need okay.

About what else?

Okay.

There's more and more.

I don't.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

So we're done, right?

Yeah, I thought you pulled up some.

So and we don't need to decide on anything, right?

Good.

So then we move on to uh 7.3.

Oh, wait, actually, maybe maybe we should just do a quick vote.

Um to authorize the call as is.

Okay.

So can I get a motion to authorize the call as is?

Authorize the call as it has is second.

All in favor.

All right.

Um then 7.2 calendar meetings.

Go ahead though.

Yeah.

But just give you all the dates.

Yeah.

So you can have calendar.

Yeah.

So I think proposing the same general second Wednesday of the month at 6 p.m., um, except for in November.

Oh, it fell on Veterans Day.

Um, just proposing to hold up the weekend.

Okay.

Hopefully, everybody knows that that's don't just write second Wednesday new calendar.

November 4 is different.

Yeah.

We won't hold no meetings in January, July or August.

Yeah.

Any questions?

So everybody.

Yeah.

We know.

Do we need to approve this?

Yeah.

So I motion to get the motion.

Yeah, I motion to accept the schedule calendar.

Starting February 11th.

Oh, second.

All in favor.

Okay.

Um, then we have the last item is number eight.

Open bucket.

That's where your question comes in lacey.

So anybody has updates, ideas, discussion items, please.

I wanted to be a little more succinct, although I can't find it.

Okay, so I was walking you may know this, the name of this, but there's a bike path that has like it's pure concrete and fences, and it's from the gram middle school.

Like to shoreline.

Have you guys written that?

Bike path?

It's a bike, it's like a bike path walking path.

It's from Graham.

Like I'm sorry, it's not gram, it's crittenden.

Oh, permanent middle school.

Is it permanented?

Yeah.

Okay.

So I was walking that just because I love I'm really into street art.

When we have a shoreline call.

There is it is like basically the just grim visuals.

Desert there is there's like fence with a wire fence, concrete, you know, there's looks like there could be water, but there's not.

Um so I'm speaking to some people, and I guess that's a possibility to have those, like to have street art on there, and walls.

Yeah, there's like walls and there's like a bridge you go.

I mean it's hideous, but it's potential with art.

Like that's when I travel, I've been traveling a lot, and so not on pertinent property, but you're past that.

Yeah, do that.

So I guess it's public property, it's behind the thing.

I'm not gonna use names, but I've talked to some people in like the city that I think they've said it is city and there is a possibility to have that used as like public like painting.

Okay, and I don't know that it's they said it shouldn't be that difficult.

So I just wanted to bring it up because I think that that has a potential also for communal, like even bringing in schools or different people in the community that aren't there, could be some professional artists and there could be some non-professional, but to do like murals, and that's a big space that is like screaming for some love.

I mean, it is and people ride that frequently.

So I don't, I'm just bringing it up because just sitting there.

If you guys want to like just go out on a little outing and have a visual of it, it's like the best one.

And um, so yeah, and a person who's really interested in art went with me and it's like, yeah, that's that's a total possibility.

So I don't know what to do with that.

I just wanted to bring it up and maybe we can percolate or I think that's why we're pushing for the visual art strategy so much.

That fits in perfectly.

There's the artist, there's the ideas, there's the space to put it, but there's no money.

And there's city policies that need to align that, but I mean, this could that can happen.

There are like even school projects could go out there.

There's there's a lot of great artists that are that are that are in these schools.

I mean, a lot.

Like in our public schools, I could go out there and do.

I mean, I'm just I've seen it all over the world.

I've been traveling a lot lately.

And you still need some kind of funding, right?

You need to know it's not a lot of I guess I'm just throwing it out there.

No, it's a good idea.

It's a wonderful idea, and there's so many areas in the city that would be but and I was thinking about that because when we were saying um uh voters, you know, we're saying downtown, which of course they're gonna say that because people, but as an artist, and you guys probably would think would be on like the same page, a lot of times you have to present the possibility and actually like a visual for people to even say yes to it.

People that don't have like an aesthetic mind, don't say, Oh yes, I can see this and I want this.

They say downtown because that's all they see, you know, or but if you say this could be this.

Yeah, we could have been a creek on the list of parks and trails.

So we um if you selected parks and trails and the online um survey, the there's like a second follow-up question that comes up, it's not uh different trails.

Is it even on there?

Well, it was launched in late September possible, the trail.

Oh, I don't know about the survey.

I don't know, I don't know.

How old is it?

The trail is quite quite.

And if you know, I think that is something that back when it was built, if you notice, it was on the trail.

There are to do some sculpture on it, yeah.

That was designed by the person who created it and it was a big coffee.

Why wasn't it brought to the visual arts or anything else?

It's just really it might have been before the uh 2020.

We're still you've already been there because we we we it was before all all our it was it was a while ago, but it was this if you go on on that desolate area, I mean it really is desolate.

At least they're depressed and want to get more like those concrete, yeah.

There's there are there's relief work on that on the bridge going on.

Yeah, I think I'd make that and that was done by the constructor.

Oh, construction the conversation.

You mean the freeway or yeah, yeah, there's like those up over notice on the bridge.

There's some relief.

There's relief work.

I remember from the from the that's after you get to pedestrian um the great separation.

I thought the plans, how much that they were also included, the concrete patterns in landscapes, they it's four times the budget we have, was a million.

But that was the technology and have him done with the midnight art.

Our budget is cut at the quarter million.

It's also very expensive.

It's just at that time when it was doing it, there was no recognition.

Uh, citywide effort, which is what we're trying to do with no mechanism.

I mean, it goes into that question of design again, right?

Like I think the pattern that's on the freeway when you when you come on 101 and 85, like you get into 85, there's like those, but somebody just put a bunch of them and they're like, oh, there's still space, I'm putting a few more.

It looks literally like that on.

I mean, that now knowing this costs millions to put those impressions.

I would like let leave the concrete flat and i i do a mural for a hundred times less money or or yeah it's i think things like that we need to be on right that that's why we have the art strategy it wasn't a city was probably like how trying to me that's more an architectural element or uh which we're gonna see the departments don't work with and they've been wrestling with that for years to try to get this done more and have like a design or architectural oversight that's that's more helpful that's why we want to have the art someone not maybe not us but some or some person who would take that under their and that's why we're trying to meet to bring that out yeah I think comments like these like if you seeing a space in the city that is in dire need of art and life um that's really good if you want to send that over to me and then right now especially I see you know I'm adding in all the comments um and I have a whole folder of um emails that I've gotten um that have links to different fun things and stuff and so yeah send those over to me and I'll you know make a note of that now um and I'll make maybe that to our build community so we keep track of it yeah it's kind of great examples of public art but also where do we feel like it's yeah dire we need it yeah are there any other committee updates that you have a um do you have any word on the train station yes so we we've been um I've been working with the um arts mountain view um consistently for um a while now and um you know so you the ad hoc committee handed the need off and um I've been working on a lot of the administration stuff so we've had to work with um the valley transportation authority caltrain the joint powers board this building is owned by the city but it's on Caltrain land and so we've had to kind of come up with this uh and VTA is involved because they they leave space um in this building too so they're they're you know we've had to do a lot of um coordinating among different groups uh but we're moving forward and um arts mountain view has a building permit application in right now um you know we're finalizing some of the administration and contract work um I think we're probably gearing into um getting installation done in the new year and but yeah we're we're moving forward so surely and um it is going to happen so whenever it whenever it does happen yeah yeah it sounds like it's going to happen whenever it does you might want to see if you get the city manager to give arts mountain view a recognition.

Yeah yeah we're looking at a plaque and um I know um BTA is there they really want to do um uh you know ribbon cutting event we really want to do a ribbon cutting event um invite the whole arts committee council um this has been a really collaborative effort among a lot of groups of people and you know arts mountain view and the artist um so yeah we we're gonna do an event um probably when the weather's a little bit nicer um yeah good because it'll help arts mountain view yeah get some everything's all the kinks are now yeah yeah ordering the panels yeah excellent and then the bowlers you'll you'll let us or is there anything not right now so so I mentioned the um Senate Bill 456 passed um so it's effective starting in the new year um so we're I'm going to reinitiate the Ballar beautification project.

Um and yeah I say just haven't had time to start coordinating with the artists, but uh my I have a goal to do that in the next month and just make sure everyone is still on board and I think um you know if if it's only a certain number of the the six people are still available we'll um you know we'll just work with those move forward um and if we you know if we want to do one of the calls we'll do that, but um I think we'll just kind of get through this first and then come back and discuss it.

Um I do think there there was one artist um who proposed uh mosaic, um which does still require uh a contractor's license for tiling.

Um so um so this was something that I think I know other communities have talked about the basics of yeah, and I I think it's a it's it's a safety thing.

Did we have didn't we have like a couple artists that like it's that one doesn't work out?

I think there were a few backups.

I'll have to go back and see, yeah.

But I know this, I think this artist moved out of state anyways, and so it she may not be available to to come to Mountain View and do this.

So uh I mean maybe there's an alternate to have the same look and feel of uh piece and to paint it.

Um I don't know if this uh person is a painter, um, but um maybe there is an alternate option for her to still do work here if she is in the area.

Maybe she can wait to see if she wants yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but I think this is a um this will be really really fun to be able to get this back up in case necessary.

Yeah, that's exciting.

Yeah, and then just last update reminder um to come stop by at the PD tree lighting.

I'm not sure where we'll be yet.

Which tree is going to be lit because the big trees gone.

They put a big one in the plaza, so they'll put it up, yeah.

I think they'll put it up maybe before I still wear after.

Um, so we definitely um you know what time it is.

I think it's 5 30 to 8.

Yeah.

I'm sure it was great.

I just have like the the last uh open studios are in Brooklyn area.

December 6 and 7 and December 3rd.

December 6 and 7?

December 6 to 7, December 13th, if uh, we're called they open studios, but it basically will like open anything else that we'll just say longer.

Okay, adjoining the meetings at uh eight or four.

That's good.